Couldn't happen to a better bunch of assholes!

Hope they choke on their own bile...

Goodbye to bad rubbish.

Oooops!

For the gazillionth time Socialism fails.

[Deadpan]

What a surprise.

OT here (and posted previously in an older comment thread), but can't think of a better place to ask:

I am mired in debate on another board with a member of the tin-foil hat brigade. Does anyone know of any reasonably reliable (and reasonably apolitical) sites that can offer figures for the following:

A. the number of deaths attributed to economic sanctions applied to Iraq after the first Gulf War

B. the number of deaths attributed to Saddam Hussein during his regime, including casualties of the Iran/Iraq war

Googled for this, but there is a colossal amount of hits, much of it not directly relevant to my question, and the few sites I found were rather dubious.

Thanks in advance to my fellow lizardoid minions!

..... and this is supposed to bother me how?

I won't dance in the street -- only worthwhile messages will see me dancing in the street. Like Hillary getting bitchslapped by Condi Rice. :)

Ah, Seattle, the flagship site of the Moonbats. Makes it even sweeter. Now where will the poor babies spew their venom?

Where's the candy?

Seattle IMC?

Isn't that the third holiest website in IndymedIaslam?

#4 JC: I would say that since there would have been no sanctions were it not for the nature of Saddam's regime, he bears responsibility for all deaths in both categories. That may be sophistry, or it could be brilliance. It's too late for me to tell the difference.

Possibly OT: U.S. Arab population doubles

This is in approximately the last twenty years. Money quote: While earlier Arab immigrants came from countries with large Christian populations, newer arrivals come from heavily Muslim countries such as Iraq and Yemen

And still Nazimedia couldn't find enough followers?

*dancing, laughing
Couldn't happen to nicer asshats.

#5 Steffan,

"The Death of an Enemy is a Joy to the Heart."

Don't have a clue as to whom I could attribute it to, but it's a quote.

Could be anyone from Adolf Hitler to Vladimir Harkonnen. My bet is it wasn't anyone any of us would consider a good guy.

But it pretty well sums up my feelings at watching the Indymediot Moonbats go bankrupt.

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

Turn out the lights, the party's over!
They say that all good things must fade,
Turn out the lights, the party's over!

FOR SOME readers and would-be supporters, content has also been a problem. The Seattle IMC Web site aspired to be a credible local news source, but in practice it was open publishing, meaning that anyone could send in a story and it would run untouched. The policy was, in theory, the ultimate in media democracy. But it also left readers to sort out for themselves the solid, well-researched, well-presented stories from the jargon-laden, factually incorrect anarco-leftist rants. There were plenty of each. But as more and more people started their own blogs or Web sites, the site's local content deteriorated.

They left out the anti-Semitism, of which there "isn't any because it's only anti-Zionism." Good riddance.

Must be the better economy. No more time to eat buttermilk-free, free-range corn, vegan dorito alternatives and complain about the zionists ruining your life. "Hot Topic" is hiring.

One down, several dozen to go.

Off topic, but fascinating:

Listening to Arabs

Oh, and ululululululu!

Boo Hoo --YAHOO!!!!

There must be too much "competition" in Seattle for the LLL market.

See, another lesson for the youth on the perils of drug abuse. Spent all the money on weed instead of saving the 10 $ a month needed to maintain their astounding bandwidth consumption.

Bravo idiots. Bravo.

eyehatehappies-an excellent put down

"Hot Topic" is hiring.

LOL! The crowning touch, the final insult.

Must be the work of..... wait for it......

Zionazis!!!!

Wahoo, RadioMattM and Steve Miller are going to be two happy puppies.

#9 Belize,

Thanks, that line of reasoning is part of the argument, but I still need the numbers. Thanks again, though!

JC #4 - IMO, no amount of reasoned argument will convince your opponent. Reliable or apolitical sources don't exist (i.e., CNN and the major news outlets are right-wing corporate media whores to those people).

Iron Fist #11 - you sir, are remarkably astute:
"Particularly notable was the posting, on [Link: www.alfajr.com...] by Sheikh Dr. Ali Al-Tamimi, an American citizen: "... The whole world heard about the shuttle crash (Columbia). Undoubtedly, the heart of every believer leaped with joy at the disaster of his greatest enemy."
[Link: www.memri.de...]

Chris #15 - 123 more to go in 45 countries...

The moonbat cave is closing. Last call.

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here!

Lights out. Sayonara. Hasta la vista, baby.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Is that enough? ;^)

"The moonbat cave is closing. Last call."

Ironic how a socialist in charge, is one without a job 6 months later! ;o) Must have something to do with muscling others out and then taking total control over one Idiotmedia site? I wonder.

I love it!

Guess they were too busy throwing bricks at Starbucks outlets and police to actually get a job themselves and keep the lights on.
Seattle. The Dark Heart of Pacifica itself. Awesome, just Awesome.

Another bit of happy news!
I had heard they were operating out of an old soon to be condemned building...
Haha.

Bankrupt in the marketplace of ideas...

What fab news! Hopefully this will have a domino effect.

The worm has turned in a major US shitpile,the good news just never stops,does it?Think I'll construct an honorary tin foil hat to dance around in and when my glee over their suffering is sated use it as a squirrel repelling device.Appropriate,since they're both nutty vermin.

ULULULUULULU!

*grabs a few morlock stragglers for the big bash in Charles Johnson's bunker*

I'm hoping this will be the beginning of the demise of a house of cards.

#4

This is quite a good article about it
[Link: www.marxist.org.uk...]

#29 zulubaby- Better yet,a chain reaction,like a cascading electrical overload.The disenfranchised Seattle L3 flocking from one Indymedia/DU site to another looking for a place to roost,mulitplying the bandwidth load on still solvent sites as the panic sets in netwide.Just a thought,we can dream ;-)

I think we should have an ululating contest.

#35 Bobby
Too easy :-)

ULULULUULULUU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

e0s5tupjarh;

**passed out, head smacked keyboard**

soida elttaes aidemydni

unnnnnhhhh....CLUNK...just rolling a big old rock in front of the entrance to the moonbat cave

#4 jc

I don't think there were any deaths from the UN sanctions because there was the oil for food program that allowed all the food and medical supplies they needed. It was Saddam- who turned it into the oil for palaces program that left the people starving- who is responsible for the deaths.

*does proper megalomanical laugh*

Anyone else unable to access the link to the article?

also #4: There are no official statistics regarding Gulf War casualties, but I believe the most grossly exaggerated numbers are around 300,000, including combat and non-combat related (i.e. lack of food, water, etc) deaths.

Nothing at their website about their road to ruin...

Oh well, back to handing out photocopied fliers outside of all ages shows.

Solid, well-researched, well-presented fliers to be sure.

I always enjoy abusing the Indymedia "open-publishing" policy, by posting random cut-and-paste crap: beef recipes, box scores, reviews of strip clubs, Bible verse...

By the way, you can call Seattle IMC to express condolences by phone at (206) 262-0721, or fax them at (206) 262-9905.

This is even funnier if you read after a few drinks

Split-level is exactly correct.

It was Saddams misuse of the funds available to Iraqis that caused any "sanction related" deaths.

As it has become abundantly clear in post Saddam Iraq, there was plenty of money (ergo resource for food, medicine etc...), it just didn't reach those he and his cronies chose to deprive as a means of control and retribution.

ve

I was trawling DU for sign of news of the closing, and came across this piece of filth in a DUer's sig - [Link: www.jail4bush.org...]
69.22.169.102
David Blomstrom
DU name 'JailBush', of course.

And his heinous Secret-Service-attracting site is apparently running on Nationhosts.com's service in San Francisco.
What a surprise.

And from the look of a Google search on him, he's a Moonbat Extraordinaire.
Seems he lost his career at the start of the Bush Presidency, and has come unhinged.
He also is/was running for local office in Seattle - Seattle Times Bio page - seems a match for his ravings about the School District.
Also signing with 'The Invisible Republic', he's all over topics about anti-coorporation causes, and pretty much every Bush conspiracy.

#43 Rayra Garcia O'Kelly Davis

I sent the link to jail4bush to a relative at USSS.

If they haven't already, an agent needs to pay him a visit. Put him on the list of wackos to check on when VIPs come to Seattle.

Sssssssss.

Re: no. 4.

Your best bet for combat casualties is to do a google search for military historians (John Keegan is the best) who would have put out articles. I think the best estimate is about 10,000 on the Iraqi side. There was a lot of wild exaggerations about casualties before and during the wars.

As for deaths caused by sanctions, there were none. The sanctions had ample exceptions for food and medicine. Iraqis who died while sanctions were in place died because Saddam spent his money on palaces, weapons and ammunition.

Reliable estimates for civilian fatalities as a result of sanctions (as far as I know) do not exist. All information the UN and various non-governmental bodies were able to gather was under the eyes of Saddam's government, meaning they say what he wanted them to see and nothing else.

Seattle Indymedia is probably anticipating the future and moving their operations to East Germany:

BERLIN (Reuters) - The Cold War broke out in Germany again on Friday when the formerly communist east voted Karl Marx as the "best German" of all time in a television contest and the west picked post-war chancellor Konrad Adenauer.
In an emotion-packed finale to the three month German television competition, a larger number of ballots cast in the more populous west carried the first West German leader Adenauer to the top overall ahead of Martin Luther, with Marx in third...

..."I never would have dreamt that Karl Marx would make in into the top three of a united Germany," said his patron, a reform communist party (PDS) leader Gregor Gysi.
"Marx is a man known around the world for seeking a freer and fairer society -- and some day in the future his vision will become reality," Gysi said. "In 10 years Marx will be voted second best German and some day after that he'll be number one." ...

I think the best estimate is about 10,000 on the Iraqi side.

That's nothing compared to the 100,000 dropped Iraqi rifles.

#47 Steve Hall

Gregor Gysi schlagt ein tot Pferde.

OT again. Sorry.

Re: "deaths from sanctions" -- thanks all, I realize it is a non-sequitur, consdering the regime's intransigence. What I'm looking for is the number of alleged victims. Not so concerned with how to assign blame, more interested in a reliable estimate of the number.

Re: "other deaths due to SH" -- what I've found so far is a quote from John Burns of NYT claiming approx. 1M Iraqi deaths (800K combined Iraqi/Iranian deaths from Iran/Iraq war, 200K political prisoners in the gulag, 10k in first Gulf War, 1K Kuwaitis killed) I am not deliberately ignoring US casualties in GWI, but obviously they were very light. Just want to make sure you realize I mean no disrespect by not including them in the total.

There were some two NGO studies that looked at the impact of sanctions. Regardless of how you assign the blame (I'm certainly willing to pin it on SH), the number they came up with was 227,000.

So, approx. 1.3M directly or indirectly attributed to SH. Does that seem right?

Oh NO! This means the people of Seattle no longer have an independent, unmedicated forum for deranged conspiracy theories, Jew hatred, misty-eyed support for Fidel, and Islamofascist solidarity (unless of course you count toilet walls and the inside of bus stops).

But hey, as good Marxists, the Indymidiots know that property is theft, so I'm sure they'll be tickled pink to see the repo men hauling their computers away. And as anarcho-leftists, they know organisation and centralisation is a bad thing, so no doubt they'll be thrilled to be kicked out of their smelly digs and have the unique freedom that sleeping on park benches and in subway stations offers the unfettered individual.

Which of the indys called for Paypal to give LGF the heeve hoe? Looks like a case of instant karma struck again. Funny thing about being anti-capitalist is that ya need a lot of capital interest for survival.

Where does the Indymedia money come from anyway?

Not enough support, eh? Wonder what it all means?

#47

-- and some day in the future his vision will become reality," Gysi said. "In 10 years Marx will be voted second best German and some day after that he'll be number one." ...

I'm guessing Hitler & Co. weren't eligible for the contest, or Marx probably would have dropped down at least one more position.

OT

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please explain the meaning of ULULULULU or in some cases, ululating?

Very curious indeed!

Hugs and kisses to all!

From the soon to be expired Seattle Indymedia site:

"EXCEPTING KUCINICH, who has raised hundreds of dollars, none of Dubya's would-be replacements is challenging the Bush administration's fundamental premise that the U.S. intends to call the shots in Iraq (literally) for a long time to come. None is addressing the specifics of how to alleviate the dire status of U.S. soldiers, or the even more dire reality facing ordinary Iraqis. Perhaps American politics can't support such detail; maybe it really is all about image and leadership and judgment and (especially) personality. But like it or not, George Bush has a clear plan for Iraq: Loot it bare, shoot anything that moves, and eventually install pliant puppets to oversee the survivors. It's grim, but it's simple and concrete".

And they wonder why they're going out of business? The US plan for Iraq is "loot it bare, shoot anything that moves and eventually install pliant puppets to oversee the survivors?" Where on God's green earth is any proof what so ever that this is "THE PLAN"? What have we "looted"? Where have we "shot anything that moves?" Which "pliant puppets" exactly is he talking about? What "dire status" are US troops in exactly? The US military is in a war zone. The job of the US military is to fight wars. That qualifies as "dire status?" What "dire reality" is currently facing "ordinary Iraqis?" The reality that they're not being shot in the streets, pulled from their homes in the middle of the night, raped, tortured, killed and thrown in a mass grave?
You want dire status? Pull the US military out tomorrow and then begin the (short) count down to the next bigger and better 9/11 here at home. Friggin' dopes. Blinded by hatred for their country, George Bush and the US Military. May they all eat crap and die.

I like to think they're forced to close up because so many of their supporters have figured out how crazy they are.

#53 shifra

Where does the Indymedia money come from anyway?

Yeah, I was wondering that myself, since most all of the posters are all outta work due to that eeeeevil Booshitler taking away all their jobs at the head shops, natural food stores and alternative bookstores. Makes you wonder where they get the money for their monthly ISP service. The anarchist union doesn't pay very well...

"But the need to continually raise money for rent for the expensive location has been a drain for four years. This month, the IMC defaulted on its lease..."

It didn't dawn on them to move to cheaper digs four years ago, after the WTO thing ended? Aren't collectives supposed to operate out of smelly old warehouses in the crack whore district?

I woke up with a smile on my face, still celebrating the demise of the birth place of the IMC.

So which IMC will collapse next?

I think Starbucks should open up in the storefront they're getting booted out of...how sweet would that be, to enjoy a tall Sumatra, reading LGF on your laptop in the former palace of internet stupidity and evil.

Hmmm...indymedia failing in seattle...

It's probably not a good time to invest in the new liberal talk radio network.

The article may not be entirely correct. But then what paper has journalists who can get a quote straight these days?

Here is a thread on the main Indymedia site discussing Seattle:
[Link: www.indymedia.org...]

a larger number of ballots cast in the more populous west carried the first West German leader Adenauer to the top overall ahead of Martin Luther, with Marx in third...

What, no votes for Falco?

Oh, wait, he was Austrian. Never mind.

I'm so happy I ran out and carswarmed my jeep!!! Popped a couple out of the ol' AK and screamed "Death to the GREAT SATAN" And you know something?
It was fun.

Bet you the market price of aluminum plummets now that the Seattle hat brigade is disbanding.

"Hot Topic is hiring" brought tears to my eyes. Thanks

ULULULULULULU!!!! :::Empties an AK clip into the air:::

#56 Leftylass:

Ululate: To howl, wail, or lament loudly. (From the sound the [bigoted word]s make when they get all worked up.)

"This month, the IMC defaulted on its lease; it will close by the end of the year. " Who'd of thunk it? Welchers.

"But it also left readers to sort out for themselves the solid, well-researched, well-presented stories from the jargon-laden, factually incorrect anarco-leftist rants." How can they tell the difference? You know things are bad when even hard core leftys refer to some of their fellow traveler's work as anarco-leftist rants.

The first thing that popped into my mind was Cousin Larry and Cousin Balki doing the DANCE OF JOY!!

YAI! YAI! YAI! YAI! HEY! HEY!

lol, wow, and in Seattle of all places.

"Hot Topic is hiring"

Hey, my kid shops there. I am offended. Therefore, my constitutional rights have been violated. I am suing all of you.

/snarkasm

#70 V the K

I shop there too when I have to get something for my niece.
One kid looked like he fell face first into a tacklebox.

:) :) :)

Those Indymedia creatures are totally nuts. Check out this moonbat article:

November 17, 2003 (San Francisco, CA) - The Society for the Advancement of Victimised Insects Or Rodents (S.A.V.I.O.R.) has launched an emergency appeal for a grassroots campaign to raise awareness and funds to combat the rise of persecution against Insects and Rodents.

All over North America, innocent subway rats and tenement roaches are being hunted down and exterminated, only for the crime of being an Insect or Rodent. All concerned activists are encouraged to donate time and money for this worthy cause. If we do not stand up for Insect and Rodent rights, then no one will.

Apparently homeless rats take precedence over homeless humans now.

[Link: vancouver.indymedia.org...]

Indymedia Atlanta

Can someone please tell these fools that there isn't a "School of the Americas" anymore. And having worked at Fort Benning in the past, I can assure them that nothing more evil is going on there, than the attempt of rational people to maintain civilization and freedom.

Actually, the SOA protests pump a lot of $$$ into the Columbus economy, so maybe they're a good thing. And it keeps the MPs and local police on their toes, so they're prepared if meaner folks show up.

Great headline over at Indymedia Atlanta: Puppetshow Leads to Confrontation

What is it with the f*cking puppets? Is it the influence of PBS and all of that Sesame Street and Neighborhood of Make-believe nonsense?

Don't the Dick Cheney puppets look oddly like King Friday?

#66:

Ululate: To howl, wail, or lament loudly.

Funny, that's exactly what one of my dictionaries says. But any time I've ever heard it used it's used in celebration (or to cheer a performance), not in lamentation.

"LOOLOOLOOO" (or "ULULULU") approximates the sound, but it's made in the back of the throat and controlled with rapid tongue movements. [Note to self--hope Q's not lurking.]

Mr. Dweeble,

Makes sense, thanks.

Kind of puts to mind a picture I once saw (well, many times) on TV of crazed fanatafascistmuzoid pals screaming, with dangerously crazed eyes, their fists punching the air, weapons reporting.

Fercrissakes they are always doing this kind of sh*t! For once I would like to see them in an actual conversation, behaving like human beings.

What am I saying??? Islam has no humans, just muzoids.

*Sigh*

....me thinks they got a glimpse of soap and water.....

ULULULULULU!!!

What happened? George Soros' check bounce?

what a shame!

hahahahahaha! :D

#71:

One kid looked like he fell face first into a tacklebox.

Now that's a great line I'm going to steal a lot.

Money Talks, Bulls#%t Walks.

ULULULULULULULULULULULULU!!!

Has anyone been keeping track of the failed IndyMedia sites? The last one I remember is the Portugal site, and the Sweden site which is still around but ended open publishing.

#76 Leftylass

What am I saying??? Islam has no humans, just muzoids.

Okay, now you're just confusing me. More so than the increasingly ill-named Occasional Reader.

I've walked by the IM site in Seattle - it's a hole-in-the-wall office with crazed potheads languidly working on their "news" articles.

Downtown Seattle in and of itself is weird anyway, but the IM offices are the omphalos to the belly of the beast.

Sort of like the Omphalos at Delphi, where the Oracle sat, zonked out from methane fumes and laurel leaves.

Cut down in its prime! Right in the heart of L3-dom. What great news. But if NYC idiotmedia ever goes away, I'll have to find a new diversion when I get bored at work.

Is a Hot Topic a store? I've never heard of it.

Evil Hot Topic is a corporate chain devised to drive the business away from local "underground" stores.

I like the illustration for the article: Enlarged, out of focus Indymedia logo.

#6 Amy

Now where will the poor babies spew their venom?

Berkeley, like usual.

A number of media activists complained that the core group running the IMC was cliquish and inaccessible; at one point, nonwhite media activists discussed starting their own competing local IMC. In the end, core members were clashing over personalities, vision, and what to do about the debt.

(italics mine)

Excuse me, but I thought WE were the racists? Why would "nonwhites" need to separate themselves from IMC?

Shouldn't they have been accepted as part of their Commune-ity?

"Hot Topic is hiring"

Hey, my kid shops there. I am offended. Therefore, my constitutional rights have been violated. I am suing all of you.

Just last week I done bought me a totally fly Sealab 2021 T-shirt at Hot Topic. (I figured it would be a good icebreaker when I wore it out to a bar, but apparently no one in DC watches Cartoon Network.)

On the definition of ululate, I should note that it is regarded by Arabs as a strictly feminine expression of joy -- analogous to "Eeeeeeeee! OhmyGAWD you guys are so TOTALLY not gonna believe this" -- rather than being a battle cry. But Xena knew better, of course.

(I figured it would be a good icebreaker when I wore it out to a bar, but apparently no one in DC watches Cartoon Network.)

I can't speak for DC, but I know the gosh-darn farking Adelphia cable company in Frederick doesn't even carry the Cartoon Network. It's a farkin' hardship, man. Even in farking South Carolina, I got the farking Cartoon Network.

Throbert -

Er, that was an Indian War Cry Native American Celebration of Diversity. Those are done by males, IIRC.

I prefer to not impersonate Arab women, because last time I did, I received a marriage proposal from Hanan Ashrawi's husband.

Why would "nonwhites" need to separate themselves from IMC?

I dono... Maybe because Communists are racist white geeks. Somehow I gather that infighting is the real reason for the shutdown, money is more of an excuse. Because really, if funding was the problem, why not move their headquarters to an industrial area?

The IndyMediots are in deep denial and spinning furiously.

OT: Psssst! Hey, Frank and V the K... I gather that both of you identify as something like 'bi' or 'post-gay' or 'M4Mconservative' or in that neighborhood? Well, I'm a happy Kinsey 6, age 32, and in the ten years that I've been out I've slowly come to the conclusion that most of what passes for ''gay subculture'' is a HAZMAT-leaking train wreck adorned with garlands of rainbow flowers. There's some superficial prettiness, but underneath the men in the train are being poisoned. Anyway, I was just wondering if you knew of other sites for guys like us, apart from indegayforum.org. Also, I'm making my own efforts to nudge men-who-love-men towards a healthy, masculine, responsible, ethos at this here site, which should only be read by those who enjoy male homoeroticism.

Okay, carry on.

Throbert -Er, that was an Indian War Cry Native American Celebration of Diversity. Those are done by males, IIRC

No need to apologize for your girly ululululating, Francis. I personally think its a really fun sound -- like a rebel yell, but without the Dukes of Hazzard connotations.

I knew God was listening to my prayers.

Maybe the Indymidiots moved out of the country from Seattle like they've been promising for so long...

sweet

the last time i was in seattle i saw a notice in the meat section of the pacific food cooperative that said,

"Our free range chickens are not forced outside"

it went on to detail the living conditions of the well cared for birds who have the freedom to duck inside when it rains if they wish.

pre digital camera, otherwise i would have a photo.

Throbert McGee- as Ali G would say, I ain't no butty boy, so good luck with the site-but you might want to check out installing movable type/greymatter on a 1and1.com site. They give a very generous 3 years of free hosting, no catch or gimmick, and you won't have to deal with blogspot's crappy permalinks and advertising. It's less pain in the...um..neck to switch off blogspot before you have a big following. Just a suggestion.

Evariste -

Er, weren't you the one who came up with "Jewish boys in assless pants"? ;)

Frank IBC-true dat, perhaps I'm a butty boy after all!

Ali G would say, I ain't no butty boy, so good luck with the site-but you might want to check out installing movable type/greymatter on a 1and1.com site.

Thanks, evariste -- but give me an idea of how hard it would be to move the archived content from blogger to movable type/greymatter site? (I seriously do hope to develop a following.)

Frank IBC-true dat, perhaps I'm a butty boy after all!

No, didn't you get the memo? All men are metrosexuals now.

All men are metrosexuals now.

Say it ain't so! What happened to the time when men were men and the sheep were afraid?

Throbert McGee-It shouldn't be too hard to import your Blogger entries into Movable Type, here's a link I found. Can't help you with Greymatter, I don't have enough experience with it, but it's very similar to MT.
zulubaby-As for metrosexuals, my opinion is that men in general need to care more about being pretty, and having pretty things-but metrosexuals take it too dang far. They're basically gay people without the mega ding dong lust. I think we should let gay people continue to have more style than straights; it's only fair! :-)

Oh, now I get Throbert-LOL!

It just occurred to me to comment on this:
Frank IBC-true dat, perhaps I'm a butty boy after all!

I don't want to sound pedantic and humorless, because I know the above was an Ali G. quote. Yet you do realize, if you've visited my [BEWARE, OFFICE-SURFERS! HERE THERE BE ERECT PENISES AND SUCHLIKE!] website, that this "butty boy" thing -- the notion that anal penetration is somehow the defining or ultimate act of male/male eros -- is exactly what I'm trying to squash with a counter-meme. My site basically encourages gay and bi men to make mutual masturbation (with plenty of warm huggin' and kissin') their primary mode of sexual expression.

Should we have a website-swarming or would that be too Palestinian?