Tell 'em to pound salt.

Keep on seething...

"Warriors" that turned out to be crybabies don't sit too well with Americans.

JG

Taken from that article:

He argues Islam's prophet, Muhammad, said one of the greatest sins is "to murder a human being."

Then who is doing the killings in Iraq, Israel, Bali, Russia, Turkey, etc???

Space Martians?

I hope Harvey doesn't apologize! Keep on saying what's really OBVIOUS to the listeners... People are being killed in the name of Allah.

JG

Oh, the poor babies, ouuuh!

/sarcasm

Opens door, shoves CAIR into airport taxi for deportation... bye bye... SORRY!

Fuck CAIR.

BTW, this snow is kick ass...

It looks like the Thursday morning link doesn't work, which is a shame because I would love to hear those words coming from a man as big as Paul Harvey.

... and now you know ... the rest of the story.

Oh, CAIR? I got your apology, RIGHT HERE!!

Well, to be fair, cockfighting is hardly a solely Islamic cruelty. Judging from what I've read, it seems to be popular in some Hispanic communities today.

That said, it's no surprise to me at all that this nasty "sport" is big in Iraq. V.S. Naipaul gives a graphic description of villagers in Pakistan setting dogs on a chained bear (the dogs got pulverized) in Among the Believers.

Charles and fellow lizaroids,

email Paul Harvey

[Link: www.paulharvey.com...]

Good on Paul Harvey.

Though I still can't stand his vocal affectation and the manufactured pregnant pauses in his delivery.

#2 JG

Exactly. The Arabs have a shame culture. We should shame them every chance we get. Like telling them that they are cowards because they run away when a real army shows up like in Iraq.

interesting that the title underneath this post is
Islamic Jihad Promises More Murder

can anyone tell me if Islamic's and Mulsim's are one and the same people? / sarcaism off

Hmmm

First Dr. Laura, and now Paul Harvey?

They really know how to pick their battles.

(Eye roll).

Send your voice of support for Harvey here:

[Link: www.paulharvey.com...]

I sure hope ol' Paul has the guts to make a list of the Muslim worlds cultural failures and trangressions and read it Monday on the air. Maybe a count of the people they have murdered in the past 30 years or so. He might need 2 segments to tell the rest of this story.

If CAIR would quit whining about how unfair
everything is and concentrate on getting rid
of the extremists in the organization and
encouraging moderation, it might have a
bit more credibility.

I'm probably naive.

Ibrahim Hooper will say or do anything to make the United States an Islamic country.

The United States under Islam and under Shari'a law.
Wouldn't that be fun?

As usual CAIR is hard at work to prove that Islam is simply incompatible with Americanism. Perhaps they could also go after George Washington, baseball, and John Wayne to prove the point.

#16 Kestrel

The United States under Islam and under Shari'a law.

Before that happens, we Texans are going to play cowboys and Mulsims. Just like we did with the Indians and we probably won't be as gentle this time either.

#9 ploome.

Done.

Dear Mr. Harvey -

I understand that CAIR (the Council for American-Islamic Relations) is demanding that you apologize for remarks you made on your Thursday morning show.

Please do not yield to these people! CAIR is essentially a terrorist front group. Please review their web site (www.cair-net.org) to see their agenda.

Then please visit some sites that reveal what their true agenda is:

[Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Mr. Harvey, I pray that you will stand strong against CAIR. Please do not hand the radical Islamist agenda another "victory" by apologizing for your completely accurate remarks.

Sincerely,

Donna V. (#8)

I don't think CAIR is worried about the cock fights, but rather Harvey's statement just at the end of that story.

Add to the thirst for blood, a religion which encourages killing, and it entirely understandable if Americans came to this bloody party unprepared.

Well, maybe CAIR could point out all the times that muslims preached Peace, Love and Understanding.

Oh right there aren't any of those sermons are there?

Only the ones where imams call for the bloody death of infidels.

I guess CAIR is asking us to ignore the imams?

Dealing with CAIR is just like using drugs: Just Say No!

---

Dr. Hanson wrote another insightful article yesterday:

A Real War -- Fighting the worst fascists since Hitler.

We had better rethink the entire notion of dealing with the mythical moderates within regimes like Iran and Syria. I am sure that they exist, as they existed in Saddam's Iraq. But we see the moderates now in Iraq and — with all due respect — they are not exactly the stuff of Ethan Allan, Paul Revere, or the Swamp Fox. In fact, in the Middle East, tens of thousands of democrats are more passive in their desire for freedom than are a few hundred fascists in their zeal for tyranny. We should accept that dissidents would never have toppled Saddam on their own — and are not quite sure what to do even in his absence. Victory alone, not stalemate or a bellum interruptum, will free the Arab people and extend to them the same opportunities now found in Eastern Europe.

...

We are not in a war with a crook in Haiti. This is no Grenada or Panama — or even a Kosovo or Bosnia. No, we are in a worldwide struggle the likes of which we have not seen since World War II. The quicker we understand that awful truth, and take measures to defeat rather than ignore or appease our enemies, the quicker we will win. In a war such as this, the alternative to victory is not a brokered peace, but abject Western suicide and all that it entails — a revelation of which we saw on September 11.

I think there are far better problems CAIR can whine and Seethe about.

Does anyone know if CAIR ever went after Micheal Savage, because he tells the truth about Islam and I don't think that he would ever apologize to the loons.

From the WND story:

In 1999, CAIR organized a campaign that led to Harvey issuing an on-air apology to Muslims for remarks that seemed to suggest Islam was a "fraudulent religion."

{sigh}

I hope this time Harvey gives them detailed instructions on where to stick it. But it ain't looking good.

Wear it like a badge, Mr. Harvey.

#8 Donna V

Well, to be fair, cockfighting is hardly a solely Islamic cruelty.

Yep. And dogfighting, particularly with pit bulls, is apparently increasingly popular among inner city youth in this country. And IIRC, the dogs that mauled that woman to death a couple years ago were bred specifically for viciousness by home-grown white supremist loons.

CAIR, the "view from the bottom of the septic tank", is making itself more and more prominent on the dartboard of unfinished business.

ploome & Thom

I changed up Thom's letter and sent it to Harvey.

I read that CAIR (the Council for American-Islamic Relations) is demanding that you apologize for remarks you made on your Thursday morning show.

CAIR supports terrorists as their web site makes clear. [Link: www.cair-net.org...]

Daniel Pipes, who was appointed to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace by President Bush, has some comments on CAIR: "CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror"

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Mr. Harvey, please do not give in to CAIR, they are against every thing America stands for.

Sincerely,

He argues Islam's prophet, Muhammad, said one of the greatest sins is "to murder a human being."

Where to start...?

Thom: That was 1999. This is 2003, two years after we were treated to a display of Muslim peace 'n love in NYC and DC. This time, Harvey might just tell CAIR where to put it.

Geepers: Look at it on a personal level. If you want to be known as a good and kind person, you have to actually do good and kind things. You can't walk around behaving like an asshole and than demand that everyone describe you as a saint or else you're going to beat the living crap out of them.

Yet, Muslims in general and CAIR in particular, use that very same line of "reasoning."

"We're good! We're peaceful! How dare you say we're violent and bloody!"

"Well, what good and peaceful things have you done lately? And what about those bombings in Turkey?"

"Racist, racist!"

We're supposed to believe that Muslims are swell, just because CAIR tells us they are.

OT but funny

This Iraqi is noticing the "sneer quotes" too.

By the way, what the hell are news organizations trying to prove by putting terrorism between idiotic quotation marks like this? I've decided to put quotation marks myself on the following terms: 'news organizations', 'media', 'press', 'coverage, 'reporter', and 'journalist'. F*ing morons.

thanks Thom and Engineer

its important we support people who have the opportunity and platform to speak out

...good day?

Well I wrote Paul Harvey and told him Dr. Laura stuck to her guns and he should too. I pointed out that despite protestations to the contrary that Islam is a 'Religion of Peace' Muslims have bombed children, animals, parents, men and women of all faiths; that Islam is more of an ideology than a religion (and a fascist one at that) but it conveniently hides behind the facade of being 'a religion'. This makes it harder to criticize Islam; and I said if there were any moderates, their silence about the extremism in their religion condoned what the fanatics are doing.

I suggested Harvey devote one program to a discussion of 'What Islam is?" and the many sides it is showing to the world these days.

It's time talk people start talking seriously about Islam. CAIR has had so many complaints lately (including the $2 million lawsuit against Congressman Cass Bellenger) that they are starting to appear 'litigious' which is a bad rep to get. It's like the woman at Wal-Mart who supposedly was trampled; seems she has file 16 of these complaints at Wal-Mart alone lately. Obviously she's a scam artist and so is CAIR.

The moment anyone criticizes ANYTHING about Islam, there's Ibrahim Cooper grabbing his face time to overtalk and drown out with sound any serious discussion in a round table forum, of what's happening in Islam today.

So let's have some of the Paul Harveys or Rush Limbaughs out there discussing this very serious issue for today; it's for sure the I- Man won't and Stern won't. They can hardly bear sharing New York with each other--there's no room for Islam.

By all means--write him and tell him to take this on if he's able. It needs discussion out in the open.

#29 Donna V.

Thom: That was 1999. This is 2003, two years after we were treated to a display of Muslim peace 'n love in NYC and DC. This time, Harvey might just tell CAIR where to put it.

Given his last remarks, maybe he's been studying up on islam. Or, given his '99 remarks, maybe he's one of that rare breed who understood islam pre-9/11. Maybe both. Either way, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

---

Engineer - Nice!

My 2 cents...

Dear Mr. Harvey:

I haven't always agreed with your politics, but have appreciated your talent and warmth and integrity for as long as I can remember (as best I can calculate, I first heard one of your broadcasts 35 or 40 years ago.)

I want to add my voice in support of your First Amendment rights, and to urge you to resist the legal and public relations depradations of the terrorist-supporting CAIR. If men like you will stand up to the deceptions Ibrahim Hooper seeks to promulgate, we will all be the better for it.

Sincerely,

Last week on British TV (channel four), during a programme about undercover reportage from the Islamic Republic of Iran, there was footage of several women being stoned to death - a group stoning, in fact. It was gruesome and cruel beyond words. The women were tied in white sacks, placed up to their hips in holes in the ground, and were then stoned to death. You could see them writhing about inside the white sacks.

The mind-set that could allow someone to throw a stone at a defenceless person, the mind-set that could elaborate the jurisprudence to set it in train, the mind-set that could believe in sharia law, the mind-set that believes that this is a divine requirement. . . It is diseased beyond words, disease heaped upon disease.

That this kind of barbarity is shown on television in the West is at least something. We are waking up to the reality of Islam as it is, and not as it is portrayed.

But the simple fact that jihad remains a vital part of Islamic theology is insufficiently appreciated in the West. In stark contrast to the apologies for the Crusades issued by the Pope and various Protestant groups, no major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad. The theology of jihad, with all its assumptions about unbelievers' lack of human rights and dignity, is available today as a justification for anyone with the will and the menas to bring it to life.

-- Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West, by Robert Spencer.

Is CAIR now denying that armed jihad is a part of Islam?

I would like their public answer, not one answer for their constituents, and another answer for us kafirs.

Wow, they don't like moms, hot dogs or baseball. Don't know if apple pie is Satanic too. Now Paul Harvey, an American icon.

OK Paul, time to add a Koranic verse of the day segment to the show, and label it as a public service to CAIR.

Leave, you bastards.

Harvey defamed Islam in his noon commentary Thursday.

Dang! I missed it! Let these Islamowackos try to sue him if they don't like it.

The battles against radical Islamist agenda is being waged on the net and sometimes it spills over into the PC mainstream media. Thats where the radical Islamists use strong arm tactics to silence truth.

I hope Mr. Harvey stands firm.

Not entirely OT:

At work, I've been hearing complaints from the nursing staff about a Pali doctor who has been harassing the nurses in all sorts of ways. Patients have also complained about his arrogance and coldness. I've dealt with the guy myself and can attest that he is 100% pure asshole - we call him "Dr. Allah."

Interestingly, his hijabed wife gave a little presentation a few months ago on how to treat Muslims respectfully. The same courtesy, of course, is not due infidel nurses and patients.

Of course, it's next to impossible to kick a doctor off-staff unless he's a total imcompetent. However, the Chief of Staff has scheduled a meeting with Dr. Allah to remind him that he is not practicing in Damascus. Then Dr. Allah can run to CAIR and tell them he's being "humiliated" and "discriminated" against by the kuffars.

Good on all of you that have written Harvey. I think that personal letters with real email addresses work much better than form letters or polls.

If you want to hear what Paul Harvey SHOULD tell them, click here.

And now CAIR knows... the rest of the story.

#36 Ben B

I take it a Royal Shit-fit™ some deep introspection and soul-searching discussion is imminent from the UK's peace-loving muslim community?

EE (#37),

I would like their public answer, not one answer for their constituents, and another answer for us kafirs.

Good luck.

One of the fundamental tenants of islam is lying to the infidels. Or killing them.

#43 Evil Otto

ROFLMAO! If only ...

re #37
The theology of jihad is available to anyone with the will and the means to bring it to life.

In a way it's like guns. There is the question of whether guns kill people, or do people kill people. Of course it's people that kill people, but guns make it a bit easier.

Same with the theology of armed jihad. If a peaceful, stable person has this theology, well he or she is entitled to have faith in their religion.
But when the theology of armed jihad (now extended to terrorist jihad in our days) gets into the mind of a violent, unstable person, that's everybody's business, because everybody is endangered by it.

The theology of armed jihad doesn't kill; it's people who do the killing. But the theology of armed jihad (now extended to terrorist jihad) does make it a lot easier to murder the innocent, including children and bystanders, and to terrorize just about everybody. And the Islamic theory has been developed by people like Qutb so that it's ok to murder anybody that is a kafir.

Harvey is right. That encourages violence (in people not so peaceful or stable to begin with).

I haven't always been a big fan of Mr. Harvey or Dr. Laura, however they have nothing to apologize about. Kudos to them for standing their ground.

It is Mr. Hooper would should be apologizing for the sad, sorry state of Islam. It is only through acts, words and deeds that make man. Mr. Hooper enjoys his freedoms here, yet promotes the "benefits" of the Caliphate.

I await your apology Mr. Hooper.

#41 Donna V.

Would that be Columbia Hospital? My friend's daughter is a nurse there.

It must gall the good doctor even to pretend to act civilly towards kufrs.

Oh fer cryin' out loud. Is this the same a$$hole as in the Two Moonbat Night thread?

#41 Donna V

Oy! How frustrating. Could you slip an Ex-Lax in his coffee?

HArvey should say
"I dont really CARE what CAIR thinks!"

"I DONT CAIR!!!"

Umm. Hmm. Sorry about #50. I was referring to a post #49 that disappeared and was replaced by #49 Paul.

Engineer:
"#16 Kestrel

'The United States under Islam and under Shari'a law.'

Before that happens, we Texans are going to play cowboys and Mulsims. Just like we did with the Indians and we probably won't be as gentle this time either."

Exactly what I was thinking.

Thom, #53

I was wondering about your response to my innocuous posting (#49).

Charles, I'm sorry for having replied to that ridiculous post. Feel free to delete my post 51 as well - I don't want to be responsible for spreading trashy rumors about you.

Paul: Not Columbia. I'd prefer not to say which hospital it is publicly.

Ms. Andi: There's a thought! I've heard Visine does the trick too. One problem: I rarely see him in the Doctor's Lounge. I don't think he likes to mix with the kuffar physicians, especially since most of the doctors who hang out in our Lounge are Jewish!

There's a moron who's been impersonating you, Paul.

If you see one of its comments, please don't respond to this fool, people. You're only encouraging it. I'll be deleting anything it manages to post.

#55 Paul

The original 49 was a slimy smear on Charles along the same lines as the smears in the Two Moonbat thread (before they were deleted).

Charles and Thom (57 & 58)

Thanks for the warning. I had read the Two Moonbat thread prior to the deletions and I don't like the idea of that low life stealing my good name.

Harvey will cave just like anyone else who dares utter a single disparing world of the ROP. Daniel Pipes won't last long either.

Paul: Actually, you can find out who "Dr. Allah" is by reading just about any Urinal-Sentinel story on the poor, dispossessed Palestinians. He's usually whining away in them. Poor lamb - I know life must be hell in those sordid Mequon refugee camps.

OT, but evariste? I'm interested to hear your story.

I just sent a message to him via his Web site urging him not to apologize and giving a couple of reasons why I believe he shouldn't. I'm tired of this apology crap from Muslims all the time (and I know zaza remembers that :) ).

Ah, great :) Others have done the same, I see.

I wish to ammend my aboce response for mr Harvey.

it should read...
"CAIR?...I dont even really give a shit!"

Ah yes, CAIR, fighting the holy Islamic war against all who would speak the truth. How long will it be before they find out about LGF and start demanding that Charles apologize and the site shut down?

#61 Donna V.

Thanks for the tip. Didn't mean to put you on the spot with my foolish question.

#44 Thom

I saw that documentary, too. And it was horrific. Those fucks punish people by taking their eyes out with a spoon.

Most British Muslims, and most Muslims, are Sunni. Iran is Shia, so they'll probably use that to explain away the practices the mullahs use.

I'd like to see a similar program about Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Channel 4 did a good job, within PC confines. Lots of discussions with Iranian exiles, dissidents and students, lots of body blows to European diplomats (photos of Jack Straw and Goulezeau joking with mullah-puppet President Khatami) and a lot of food for thought. I'm with Ledeen on this one: Free Iran.

CAIR will only selectively target those who earn their positions from public opinion. They build a false front to give the illusion that they represent the masses by using Leftist Politically Correct tactics. These types of tactics are seen regularly being used by groups such as the ACLU. There is something to be said by many of the Old Timers complaining about the dilution of the meaning of words. Those that live their lives on the opinion of the masses will always eventually compromise their position under enough pressure.

Two towers. Two worlds.
One world sought the truth and triumph of men. The towers worthy of men and freedom we erected them. The other world, submits to fear and fantasy, condemning men to be worthless and enslaved, they wrecked them.

Unlike all other animals on this planet we are born with no natural defense mechanism. Alone and in the wild we are prey. Our hands, logic, and questioning nature are the main gifts that separate us from all other life, the 3 gifts. In the beginning if we started out early believing that faith in a greater being will save us then we would have been another creatures food from the start. With our gifts we made the first clothes, arrows, blades, containers, homes, and written communication. We have become masters of all material with just these 3 gifts. As a result we have become the dominant species on the planet. As of yet we have found are no other life forms on this planet who even come close to our capabilities. Unfortunately, we are still looking. As a result of our own abilities we have grown self-aware of our dominance and feel alone and even a little guilty about it. Some have searched for purpose and reason for our existence. These people have concluded that we are not superior and that we must serve the greater purpose of an invisible all-knowing and all-powerful entity. They feel we must be enslaved and subservient to it's needs. The main problem with this is that these needs are based off of ‘man written’ interpretations in the form of an instruction manual that should never be questioned. The tools we have made originally for our own purposes of survival and defense must now be used to enforce adherence to this instruction books rules. The tools are now being used against ourselves to adhere to rules we have written and passed on. These rules are designed for one purpose and it's to stop the progress of men based on the assumption of guilt for being the superior species on the planet and the masters of all matter. Soon, other groups have derived different interpretations of the instruction book then wrote new books with different rules of the invisible deity. These new groups start using the tools against opposing groups to assert their enslaving dominance as the true one to enforce. The tools improve and improve under rules of the instruction books. Now there are many rulebooks. All claim to define our purpose and reason, to be slaves to the instruction books. Guilt, Shame, Honor, Pride, Envy, Hate, and the worst one Fear have been the result of following these books to the letter. These books state that since we are inferior to the invisible deity(s) and it (they) created us then we must "Sacrifice and Compromise' our gifts to it's and to all others' needs and purpose. They believe they must serve others before them selves individually. These are the reasons for war and this will lead to our extinction if not changed.

Our inquisitives minds have discovered from factual physical evidence and deductive logical reasoning that there were other species of life that dominated the planet before us. Unlike us they did not have our 3 gifts. Then we also discovered the world outside our sphere. Worlds inside worlds surrounded by other worlds to infinity. Through the use of mathematics we also realized that the universe is at odds with life. The numbers are eventually against it. large rocks slam into worlds at regular intervals with total disregard for territory of life. So went the dinosaurs and many other species of life. Victim to the numbers game of the universe. The odds are on the house. It eventually always wins.

There have been and are currently, a small amount of humans who do not follow the self-imposed rulebooks of guilt and inferiority. These small groups have actually made the most significant breakthroughs throughout our short history. They have mastered, the wheel, fire, mathematics, science and materials. They didn’t do this for self-sacrifice but only for the total use of their 3 gifts for their own needs. The selfish needs to create and be productive. We even got to the level of altering the natural occurring numbers of the universe to our own advantage. We have survived and adapted to the harshest climates not via evolution but by mastering our gifts. We have overcome predators, and nature. We took the stone, the wood, the Iron, and now all atomic material to create and alter our chances of survival. Within recent history, the last 200 years or so, there has been a major shift. This creative and productive minority is growing at an alarming rates and spreading quickly around the world. The amount of discoveries and creations have been astounding. Especially in the last 100 years. The guilt based instruction book followers are at a loss to explain this. Many have abandoned the books but still hold on the guilt and self-hating of their own species' 3 gifts. They are now banning together like never before. The book followers and the haters to stop this growth. It's now the toolmakers vs. the feeling instruction book followers. They fear and they hate man's superiority.

Without fail, the book followers have attempted to ridicule, persecute, execute, banish, discredit, and reverse the progress and creations that this small group of individuals has made on our progress. The instruction book followers have failed in the long run to stop them and have rewritten the instruction books out of survival. i.e. the world was flat now it’s round the sun revolves around the earth which is now the opposite. The true followers of man's gifts don't really have time to even acknowledge the book follower's efforts against them. Haters want to be taken care of and want no responsibility. Giving up responsibility, they feel free to blame all others and take at will if nothing is given to them. Socialism, Communism, some religions, and political action organizations. Other feel they have to give up and sacrifice everything to these same people.

This is the nature of today's world conflict. The doers/creators and vs. hater/takers. Myself, being a worshipper of mans 3 gifts pretty much know how this is all going to eventually fold out. The haters will stop at nothing and will 'take' the tools and knowledge acquired by the doers/creators and attempts to use it against us. They will accomplish this by using the fence sitters who worship only some of the 3 gifts then attempt to convince them via deception to use tools against the doers. The atrocities will get worse as the hater come against more resistance. This conflict will grow in the coming years. Eventually the atrocities will reach a limit and the fences sitter’s takes sides. To protect the doers. End Game. The next rock that attempts to slam into the and create another extinction will be met by the 3 gifts of men and the outcome will be assured. Our gifts will save all life as a consequence, Unless the haters of humanity win. Server yourself before you serve others. Never compromise the 3 gifts to fantasy, guilt, and self-sacrifice. But your personal needs before all others. Never assume dept or guilt from others. Use your given gifts to their fullest extent. Hands, reasoning, and curiosity. Do not waste time with those opposed to humanities progress. Our purpose in life is survival against the numbers of the universe.

OT
Fellow Cheeseheads Donna V. and Paul,
What do you make of UW student Rajib K. Mitra's recent arrest for deliberately jamming police radios?

Suspect in police radio jamming released

In Madison, it was reported that he is Pakistani. I hope that he acted alone and didn't share his talents with those who wish us harm.

In an amusing aside, Madison's LLL paper, took a slam at the Bush administration by reporting that Attorney General Ashcroft (or Ashkkkroft, as they would really like to print) took credit for the arrest.

I heard that Harvey line live, in the car, when he said it. At the time I laughed and thought "whew! that's gonna get him some unwanted attention!". As it has ...

I also made a recommendation to Paul Harvey:

I understand that Ibrahim Hooper, at CAIR in Washington, wants you to appologize for something you said against Islam on air Thursday. Here's a suggestion for your reply:

"Dear Mr. Hooper,

I appologize to the United States for not being more critical of Islam and Islamists, especially the nineteen that flew jet aircraft into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a Pennsylvania field; I appologize for failing to speak out against the murders of people in the Washington, DC, area by two individuals, Muhammed and Malvo, who killed in the name of Islam,in hope of receiving a reward for their dastardly acts; and for countless attacks against innocent civilians, including women and young children, by self-righteous Muslim fundamentalists in Israel. I appologize for not preaching at the top of my voice the clear danger of Islam to personal freedom and individual liberty. I appologize for not making the sins of Islam, such as the bombings in Indonesia, Kenya, Uganda, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Morocco, Algeria, Nigeria, France, Iraq, and Afghanistan, more clear to the American people. I appologize to all the innocent people who have died, believing that Islam was a religion of peace, and that the words of God, in the Ten Commandments and elsewhere, actually applied to their religion.

As for CAIR, specifically, I appologize for not fighting harder to have your organization declared a terrorist sponsor, and having all the members of your group arrested. And that's... the rest of the story."

Sincerely,

Michael A. Weatherford

#70 nice ice

Thanks for the heads up on Mr. Mitra, UW's latest contribution to the Badger State. The article describes him as an unstable computer whiz. It also states that he's been released to his parents' custody in BROOKFIELD, this loon is a neighbor, I know the street where he lives. I guess I'll have to keep my computer padlocked.

As for the Capital Times...

#41 Donna V.

If the harrassment you describe is in any way racial, sexual, or religious this cat could be in a lot of trouble. I don't know where you live or work but where I am these forms of harrassment are taken very seriously. My company spends time and money ensuring that all our employees, especially those in positions of authority understand their responsibilities. If the unlawful behavior continues after the good Doctors' conference with the Chief of Staff I recommend the following.

Before you make a formal complaint don't discuss this issue with anyone you don't trust to keep a confidence

1. Speak with the HR person responsible for training. Tell them exactly what is going on. Ask your immediate supervisor the attend the meeting, unless it is Dr Allah. If more than one of you has been harrassed ask to go as a group. Make notes of the conversation and the response you get. At this point in my organization something happens. Usually someone from HR contacts the other employees who might be victims. Normally if there is really objectionable behavior it won't be confined to one victim. It will be like toadstools after a spring rain. Complaints pop up everywhere.

2. If no action is taken by HR, have a talk with the Chief of Staff and mention your conversation with HR. This should set the alarm bells ringing. If you are represented by a bargaining unit (union) tell the business agent and be prepared to provide documention. If you belong to a professional association of any sort tell the local representative.

3. If no action results call the local office of the Fair Employment Practices Comission. Be prepared to provide documentation of your efforts to get the problem dealt with internally.

I have been an observer or a participant in three such cases in 25 years of managing at my company. In only one of them was the issue totally cut and dried. The harasser was suspended immediately and terminated following a hearing the next day. In the other two cases the alledged perps could not be shown to have done anything that required termination. Either the behavior could have been taken more than one way, something verbal, subject to misinterpretation. In one case the accuser clearly had another agenda. This last is what Dr. Allah is going to claim, so GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW. If your organization is well managed and you present facts something is going to happen, how well you prepare and how many other victims come forward will determine the outcome.

Paul Harvey is, what, 103? I used to listen to him growing up. He's got nothing to fear from these bullies, and nothing to apoligize for. My bets are on Paul.

Good

Day!

HERESY is not a crime in the US. It looks like they're starting their nonsense here.

Remember their fatwa against Salman Rushdie. And they've done similarly against others.

Better keep an eye on this one.

Normal people to CAIR: DROP DEAD! (You can turn blue, too.)

What are the chances they'll get to Harvey?

There's peaceful stuff in the Koran.
There's also violent stuff in the Koran.
The trouble is that the violent stuff is in the latter part, and the peaceful stuff is in the earlier part, and there have been conclusions by some Islamic authorities that the later stuff (the violent material) must be considered as superceding the earlier stuff (the peaceful material).

The influential theoretician of modern radical Islamism, Sayyid Qutb, relies on a theory of stages concerning Mohammed, and a doctrine of stages for all Muslims. This is by Robert Spencer in Onward Muslim Soldiers:

In Milestones he [Sayyid Qutb] quotes at length from the great medieval scholar Ibn Qayyim (1292-1350), who, says Qutb, "has summed up the nature of Islamic Jihaad." Ibn Qayyim outlines the stages of the Muhammad's prophetic career. "For Thirteen years after the beginning of his Messengership, he called people to God through preaching, without fighting or Jizyah [the poll tax paid as tribute and humiliation by dhimmis], and was commanded to restrain himself and to practice patience and forbearance. Then he was commanded to migrate, and later permission was given to fight. Then he was commanded to fight those who fought him, and to restrain himself from those who did not make war with him. Later he was commanded to fight the polytheists until God' religion was fully established."

And that forms the basis of his doctrine of stages of warfare for all Muslims:

Qutb summarizes the stages. "Thus, according to the explanation by Imam Ibn Qayyim, the Muslims were first restrained from fighting; then they were permitted to fight; then they were commanded to fight against the aggressors; and finally they were commanded to fight against all the polytheists."

.. Qutb says that if someone rejects Islam, "then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until either he is killed or until he declares his submission."

-- Robert Spencer in Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West

#74, 49, 41:

The "Violence in the workplace" law is an attempt to prevent not only physical violence, but verbal of hostility, threats, etc. that may precede violence. Every hospital has some doctors who verbally abuse nurses and other staff, and this law has eliminated a lot of that abuse. Go to HR, go to EEOC.

I worked in hospitals until a recent career change. In 1999-2000, there was a major education effort for all employees about this law.

Readable details at: [Link: www.businessknowhow.com...]

CAIR:

Go pound sand up your ass!

CAIR:

Go pound sand up your ass!

Slightly OT: recently I turned on Paul Harvey (haven't heard him for a while) and heard that "Paul Harvey Jr." was going to be doing the broadcast. The voice began, and at first I thought I was listening to Steve Martin parodying Paul Harvey. Then, after a while, when the material wasn't satiric, I realized that there is a Paul Harvey Jr. and that this was him. I don't know if he is consciously trying to imitate his father's voice; if so, he's not getting it quite right.

CAIR is bad news, even I'll admit THAT.