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Aussie Imam: Gays Should be Beheaded

Sat, Dec 6, 2003 at 5:42:59 pm PST

One of the most senior Australian Islamic clerics told 1000 people at an end-of-Ramadan service that homosexuals “should have their heads chopped off.” (Hat tip: Baldy.)

A complaint made to Victoria Police alleges the chairman of the Board of Imams, Rexhep Idrizi, was reading from the Koran when he made derogatory comments about homosexuals and said they should have "their heads chopped off".

Imam Idrizi's alleged outburst occurred before 1000 worshippers at a prayer service to celebrate the conclusion of fasting for Ramadan at the Albanian Mosque in Drummond St, Carlton.

Imam Idrizi, whose son was jailed last year for bashing gays, said yesterday the claims were unfounded and he had a video of the service, in Albanian, to prove it.

"It's just spite from idiots," he said. "All I said was that homosexuality is prohibited in Islam.

"I wouldn't encourage anyone to attack my enemy. And if you put this in the paper, it's discrimination against Islam and we will defend ourselves."

But worshipper Asip Demiri, who was at the service, told the Sunday Herald Sun that Imam Idrizi had verbally attacked homosexuals.

"I couldn't believe it. I was sitting there with my son and he comes out with comments as if the Koran says it's OK to attack homosexuals," Mr Demiri said. "He told us they should have their heads chopped off.

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1 Evil Otto  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:44:37pm

First!

(Always wanted to do that!)

2 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:47:08pm

Why would a pedophile have a problem with homosexuality? ROPMA.

3 cba  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:47:22pm

OT (in the hopes that the newest thread will be the most active--other than the one with this evening's featured moonbat):

[Canadian Foreign Minister Bill] Graham softens stance on comments by Israeli ambassador

4 cba  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:48:48pm
"I couldn't believe it. I was sitting there with my son and he comes out with comments as if the Koran says it's OK to attack homosexuals," Mr Demiri said. "He told us they should have their heads chopped off.

I hope Mr. Demiri and his son stay safe.

5 Colt  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:49:27pm
"I wouldn't encourage anyone to attack my enemy. And if you put this in the paper, it's discrimination against Islam and we will defend ourselves."

A threat from an imam? This is just plain weird.

6 Paladin  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:50:32pm

#2 reaganite

I repeat: islam is not a religion; it is a vicious, brutal cult. There is no god named allah.

7 papijoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:57:43pm

Kudos to Mr Demiri for speaking out. But I share cba's concern for his safety. If a transcript or video becomes available online, I know some Albanians who could translate.

8 JamesW  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:57:51pm

The natural question is 'Which head?'

9 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:57:55pm

#5 Paladin

But it probably is a religion of pieces. As in body parts.

10 Ricemann  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:58:42pm

Gays! No, I meant Jewish Gays!!

11 Valerie  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 3:59:00pm

#2 Reaganite

Yeee-ouch! Do you have a permit to carry something that sharp?!

Mr. Dimitri, sir, the Koran is being cited as justificaiton to do harm to all manner of folk--Jews, Christians, Americans...
Haven't you been paying attention?

12 Engineer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:00:38pm

#2 Reaganite

Why would a pedophile have a problem with homosexuality? ROPMA

As I understand it, A muslim is not considered gay unless he is 1. adult and 2. ah.. on the receiving end. Otherwise, it's fine sport.

13 olga  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:00:39pm

That iman is lucky he is not in Canada, as it is a hate crime to say your religion does not approve of homosexuality.

14 kps  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:02:18pm

I'm confident the good Imam will be exonerated. I myself have dozens of video tapes that don't show him advocating violence.

(No, they don't show him at all; why do you ask?)

15 zulubaby  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:03:07pm

Imam Idrizi is probably in the closet himself.

16 Engineer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:04:12pm

#13 olga

That iman is lucky he is not in Canada, as it is a hate crime to say your religion does not approve of homosexuality.

Are you serious?

17 papijoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:06:10pm

OT- LGF is catching up to Kottke on the wizbang Weblog awards (2116-2164). If you haven't voted in the last 12 hours, do it now

18 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:07:11pm

#6 Paladin
When did I say otherwise?

19 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:07:12pm
20 Paladin  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:11:17pm

#18 reaganite

ROP(MA)

21 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:11:26pm

#11 Valerie

Yeee-ouch! Do you have a permit to carry something that sharp

My duty weapons are my (new)M-4, M-9, and a switch-blade. Otherwise, I'm just very un-PC.

22 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:12:18pm

#12 Engineer
They're just sick puppies. No other words needed.

23 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:14:08pm

I'm confused, I thought the Taliban determined the proper way to punish homosexuals was to topple a wall on them. Cutting their heads off- the ROP couldn't be that brutal.

24 Engineer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:15:10pm

#19 bigel

A religion should be able to believe whatever they wish. Only when they start trying to force that belief on other people do I have a problem.

25 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:17:30pm

#19 bigel

"When they came for the Christians, I didn't speak up because I was gay..."

26 Julia the Horrible  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:17:34pm

1) What is with these adolescent people that feel that they have to score that they are the first to post on a new thread? DUH?

2) The Imam makes excuses for his son who was arrested, whom he seems to say was possessed by the devil whilst doing the things he did.

I think every man/woman is accountable for his actions in a court of civil law. The devil is not on trial here. If he were, who would be his public defender?

3) When I was a student of Christian scripture, we were cautioned to be wary of any one who used it out of context to defend public action of any kind, as that was not what God intended.

I think perhaps we should take the same wariness when it comes to Muslims who quote the Koran to defend civil disobedience, violence, etc. .

27 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:19:58pm

#26 Julia the Horrible

Adolescent? Those of us who are juvenile resent that!
LAST!

28 Engineer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:22:07pm

#26 Julia the Horrible

The devil is not on trial here. If he were, who would be his public defender?

Are you kidding? The trial lawyers would be killing each other to get the chance.

29 Geepers  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:22:46pm

reaganite (#21),

My duty weapons are my (new)M-4,

Man, that's awesome. And now we know where all the globular clusters went.

They're being issued to our service men. ;-)

30 Footy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:23:38pm

I hope no one does anything to censor these goons. Let them speak. Defeat without a shot fired.

31 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:24:59pm

#29 Geepers
Dude, I'm going to miss my full-auto GUU/5P, but the M4 with the Aim-Point is so cool.

32 Engineer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:25:19pm

#27 ESTEBAN

Didn't you mean

Adolescent? Those of us who are juvenile resemble that!

Sorry

33 AussieBill  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:28:16pm

Islam is a plastic bag that smothers cultures and causes it's victims to flee to the west....Unfortunately, it's followers bring the cause of their suffering with them and then we in the west become it's victim as well.

34 ralph  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:28:17pm

OT What's with Comedy Central's show on Monday "The Hebrew Hammer'?

35 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:30:43pm

#33 AussieBill
Someone on another thread said that Islam is like the Borg from Star Trek. No one wants them, but they force themselves on you and assimilate you into the collective.

36 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:34:59pm

#32 Engineer

resent...resemble...whatever.

Actually, the Devil is on trial. Has been for quite a while...

37 Joshua Scholar  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:51:18pm

#23 Jim in virginia

I've heard that in the Palestinian territories they like to kill gays by drowning them in sewage - I think they tie guys up, put them in a pit and dump a septic tank on them. I hope you can't find that punishment in the Koran.

#15 zulubaby
Can you imagine how gay Idrizi must be to be this homophobic? The guy must make Richard Simmons look like Wilt Chamberlan. He must be
Peter Pan gay.

38 Yankee Zionist  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:53:56pm
#25 ESTEBAN
"When they came for the Christians, I didn't speak up because I was gay..."

ROTFLPMPLAO

39 Nancy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 4:54:03pm

Here’s what the infamous Mohammed said:
[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]

The Hadith and homosexuality:
The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). Two examples are:
"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."
"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)
"Sihaq (lesbian sexual activity) of women is zina (illegitimate sexual intercourse) among them."

This is a Muslim Gay Rights Group: Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.

the British Muslim group Al-Muhajiroun issued a fatwa on 2001-JUL-16 against a Muslim homosexual rights group Al-Fatiha. The alleged fatwa said:
"...The Islamic ruling for such acts is death..."

Queer Jihad, once called the Muslim Homosexual Resource Center, estimates that there are about 50 million gay and lesbian Muslims in the world.

40 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:00:29pm

37 Joshua, I did not need that image. Must go drink more...
OT - to the ever- quotable Reaganite, I saw a day or two ago that you're heading to the sand box soon, and your comment in another thread tonight that "we (military) are all tired." What can we on LGF do to support you and your squad over there? Mail? Girl scout cookies? Daily pictures of dogs playing poker?
I'm serious- I'm guilty of not following through on good intentions to support the troops. I'd like to change that.

41 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:06:15pm

#40 Jim in Virginia
The next GI you see, say "thank you." You'll make them blush.

42 DOW 1000  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:10:40pm

It's funny that Svend Robinson, an openly gay member of parlaiment (Canada), was running around in Jenin at the time of the Israeli raid, yelling "massacre". Now look at the thanks he gets from his beloved zealots.

43 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:16:11pm

Reaganite, I do that every time I see one. Well, not every time but often enough. They've never blushed yet.

44 Geepers  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:17:36pm

Jim in Virginia (#40),

According to J. D. you might try Operation Gratitude

It's run by Carolyn Blashek out of her house.

After 9-11, I began volunteering at the Bob Hope USO at LAX. While talking to troops on their way overseas during the build-up to Operation Iraqi Freedom, I realized the enormous need for them to feel support from the folks back home. When the war in Iraq broke out, regardless of politics, there was a tremendous desire in our community to express support for the troops. However, because of post-911 security measures prohibiting people from sending packages addressed “To Any U.S. Soldier,” people were becoming frustrated. So, I decided to find a way to satisfy both the needs of our service personnel and the desires of our patriotic citizens.
45 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:17:42pm

OT- DU and the LLL are going to go bananas over this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A419 57-2003Dec6.html

Nine children dead in US air raid in Afghanistan

46 Promethea  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:20:10pm

Isn't it a crime to advocated cutting off people's heads? Isn't this incitement to murder?

47 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:20:28pm

#43 Jim in Virginia
I was coming home, not too many years ago, from the sandbox, I got off the plane in Phili. My first beer and dinner in the US was bought by a man who I never knew his name or saw his face. Whoever he was, he made my 4 month trip.

48 Ms. Andi  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:28:08pm

I think it is rather slippery of these Imans (or anyone else for that matter) to express or promote such violence towards homosexuality. It's pretty clear to me that they can't handle their own sexuality or will not embrace the fact they just may be gay themselves. So instead, they exclaim moral superiority and encourage cruelty.

I hope one of these holy warriors meet up with a gay, gun-toting Aussie stud and just try to chop off his head.

49 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:28:09pm

I flew back from San Diego two years ago, (November 2001)- shared a row with two Marines heading home on their first leave from Camp Pendleton. I offered to buy them each a drink on the plane- but they weren't old enough. (Still don't understand, I don't think the stewardess would have checked ID's)

50 reaganite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:31:47pm

#49 Jim in Virginia
I'm old enough to remember the "18" drinking age. Even after the country went to 21 the military stayed 18 (for awhile).

I've always had a hard time telling my "kids" that they can't have a drink after disarming a bomb.

51 brianstien  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:32:18pm

#40 Jim in Virginia

Geepers beat me to it, so I'm reduced to seconding the Operation Gratitude motion. Having contributed through Ms. Blashek's efforts, I can tell you that it's as close to effortless as you can get. Not that I'm endorsing indolence, mind you, but honestly - these cats are laying it all on the line; some expression of appreciation is in order.

Enough rambling. More Glenmorangie.

52 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:38:37pm

To bed. Geepers, brianstien, thanks. Reaganite, hope your'e enjoying dueling on the other threads. You seem to be doing pretty well.

53 Geepers  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:55:00pm

brianstien (#51),

Having contributed through Ms. Blashek's efforts

Good at ya!

54 grayp  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:55:39pm

No, no, no. The head is not the offending member. Anatomy lessons are in order for the revered imam along with Dhimmi "I lust in my heart" Carter.

*snort*

55 Devon Hill  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 5:58:35pm

Canada is getting to be a Orwellian nightmare and we have to rise up and overthrow this liberal system...

I do not approve of homosexuality by any measure but I sure the hell do not approve of executing them either like this Imam...

But, when we Christians cannot even condemn the lifestyle because of the radical left and there Orwellian Hate Crimes, then you know we are all in trouble....

There have been people prosecuted....one man in Sask. published Levitical verses denouncing homosexuality and he was charged for a hate crime....

Folks, please tell me you see how evil this is the idea of hate crime......even if you are pro gay, surely most of us are for free speech and being allowed to disagree with someone's 'alternative lifestyle'.......

It also means that Muslims can bring up charges against those that call there ideology a murderous cult..'

Think about that folks....

Hate crime could only have been envisioned by Orwell....Coming to America soon if you are not careful!

Devon

56 Craig Abu al-BooBoo  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:00:08pm

"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."


God must live in the downstairs apartment.

57 youcancallmemeyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:10:47pm

The government of Victoria is run by the Labor Party (PC Dimocrats) and the State government is responsible for criminal law within the State.

I hold little hope that anything will come of this complaint. PC bridge says that Islam trumps gays.

Interesting that the Victorian Equal Opportunity Commission (hohohoho) was recently exposed for stacking on two Christian pastors for telling the truth about the ROPMA.

Great article by Andrew Bolt (also in the Murdoch owned Herald Sun) detailing the hiring, by the Commission, of a Moslem activist convert who proceeded to drum up a case against the pastors.

[Link: heraldsun.news.com.au...]

58 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:21:39pm

#55 Devon Hill

I think it's later than you/we think. And the Christian community needs to decide how they are going to face up to this evil. No consensus there. I'm afraid.
You folks are the canaries-in-the-cage for us down here.
The door to speaking out...our traditional way of energizing the citizens to change politicians...is swinging shut.

59 youcancallmemeyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:39:59pm

#55 Devon Hill

If you think Canada is becoming an Orwellian nightmare ask yourself how you would like to appear before this Board if you were a white anglo saxon hetero protestant (WASHP) male

[Link: www.eoc.org.uk...]

I count 12 women, one called Surinder Sharma, one a Trustee of The National Aids Trust (and he's Welsh) and one who might fit the bill.

And this is the Equal Opportunities Commission of England, Scotland and Wales!

Spin in your grave Orwell.

The so called Anti-Discrimination Commission of Tasmania is just as funny but it doesn't have pictures so the idiots won't notice.

[Link: www.justice.tas.gov.au...]

60 Andrew Brough  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:59:39pm

Reminds me of the time I used to work as a security guard and my muslim workmates would regale me with stories of how they and their cousins would go out on poofter (gay) bashing forays in Sydney. In gangs of course, our brave islamic warriors never fight when the odds are less than 3-1 in their favour, 2-1 will do if they have guns or knives.

Islam is chronically homophobic.

I've told many lefties of this and other accounts but they still refuse to believe that muslims can be anything other than peaceful loving citizens.

Andrew

Sydney, Australia

61 Camel Prophet  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:00:53pm

An Australian muslim jihadi group, "Islamic Council of Victoria" is persecuting a fledgling Christian organization, by means of the secular court system:

[Link: www.gvb.com.au...]

If you want to be above the law in Australia, become a muslim.

62 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:52:03pm

#59 youcancallmemeyer

Damn...just when I was hoping to have a nightmare free sleep...thanks a lot.

63 Cybrludite  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:09:55pm

#26, Julia

I think every man/woman is accountable for his actions in a court of civil law. The devil is not on trial here. If he were, who would be his public defender?

Main problem would be finding a proscecutor, defender & judge who wouldn't have to recuse themselves due to conflict of intrest from previous business dealings... ;-)

64 its jake  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:18:37pm

religion of decapitation peace.

65 Josh  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:28:36pm

#55
I'm very much in favor of equal treatment under the law for homosexuals.

And that is in no way incompatible with some folks telling homosexuals that theyre going to hell for it. If you're going to impede free speech because you don't agree with it, you've begun your slide into darkness.

66 PIGLET  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:44:24pm

maybe we could collect a few sheckles and buy this
jewish american lesbian a clue.


[Link: www.thegully.com...]


SEPTEMBER 12, 2002. The Gully recently talked with Emmaia Gelman, queer activist and founding member of Jews Against The Occupation, about what she experienced on a trip to Israel and the West Bank.

........

Were you out as a lesbian during your trip?

No. I thought it would be a hard decision, because I'm never closeted, on principle. But when I arrived, it was clear that queerness was so far off the Palestinian radar, it would just be salt in Palestinians' wounds to try to force the issue now. So yes, I did a little protecting of Palestinians at the expense of erasing myself, which I think was fine, given the circumstances. I was already a little bit suspect as a Jew and an American, and I wasn't trying to alienate myself completely from the people I had come to work with. But I plan to go back, and I won't stay closeted there forever.


As an advocate of the Egyptian queers on trial, does the systematic oppression of gay men by the Palestinian Authority complicate your support for the Palestinian cause?

I don't know any specifics about the PA and gay men or lesbians. I do know that things are not good for queers in Palestine, and I hear they generally hightail it out of there. So yes, that certainly complicates my support, especially since most of what I know about social justice and why the occupation is wrong, I learned as a queer activist.

67 kps  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:13:40pm

#19 & #55 - Cite? Because the Candian law explicitly exempts one who "expressed or attempted to establish by argument an opinion on a religious subject". (For the record, I don't support restrictions on speech.)

68 youcancallmemeyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:09:44pm

#66 PIGLET

From the article:

When the occupation is over, I would love to take on the Palestinian Authority and its homophobia.

I hope she doesn't hold the debate near a wall.

69 QueenEsther  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:14:26pm

This article explains the confusion (hypocrisy) of how Muslims can believe buggering little boys is ok, but "homosexuality" is not:

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Socially segregated from women, Arab men succumb to homosexual behavior. But, interestingly enough, there is no word for "homosexual" in their culture in the modern Western sense. That is because having sex with boys, or with effeminate men, is seen as a social norm. Males serve as available substitutes for unavailable women. The male who does the penetrating, meanwhile, is not emasculated any more than if he had sex with a wife. The male who is penetrated is emasculated. The boy, however, is not, since it is rationalized that he is not yet a man.

In this culture, males sexually penetrating males becomes a manifestation of male power, conferring a status of hyper-masculinity. It is considered to have nothing to do with homosexuality...

70 Uncredentialed  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:25:22am

Australian Leftist speaks out against homophobia and Islamic fundamentalism
In June 28, 2002 University of Western Sydney (UWS) Bankstown campus held a lecture entitled “Islam and homosexuality: an Islamic, scientific and logical approach”.

'Some of the main concerns arising from the lecture included:

- Sheik Shadi, an Islamic cleric, called for an Islamic court to be set up in Australia, which would give Muslims the power to stone gay men and lesbians to death;

- Keysar Trad, vice-president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, rejected the concept of anti-discrimination and anti-vilification legislation and urged Muslims to defy these laws; and

- Hannan Dover, a lecturer in psychology at UWS (Bankstown), told the meeting that she would not allow a gay lecturer at the university to attend the lecture. She also informed the audience that she would not allow progressive, pro-gay Muslims to attend the lecture, nor would she allow them to join a group she was establishing for Muslim health workers.'

71 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:27:16am
"And if you put this in the paper, it's discrimination against Islam and we will defend ourselves."

The West will give the Islamists the politically correct rope they use to hang us with. (to paraprhase Marx) These guys play our political correctness like a violin, even as they engage in "hate speech"

72 youcancallmemeyer  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:47:16am

70 Uncredentialed

It's interesting that these losers have only just realised that even "moderate" Islam would have them dead when the [bigoted word]s take over.

First the [bigoted word]s will cut the homosexuals out of the left, then the God hating socialists, then the idiot Greens, then the useful idiots - these people have formed an alliance with a croc that's going to eat them all.

Also interesting that this was staged at the UWS, a pathetic excuse for a University set up by nitwit Dawkins under the socialist logic:

1. All smart people go to University
2. Build heaps of Universities so that everyone can go
3. All our people will be smart

Dumb bastard.

73 Francis W. Porretto  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:40:59am

Uh...which heads?

74 Dom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 2:43:49am

This Imam who calls gays the enemy and whose son got caught gay bashing denies calling in public for gays to be beheaded.

"I wouldn't encourage anyone to attack my enemy."

He immediately proposes Muslims would do so voluntarily.

And if you put this in the paper, it's discrimination against Islam and we will defend ourselves."
75 Baldy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:37:54am

Thank you Charles.
"Speech crimes" are wrong. I think there is a slight difference between quoting the Bible and advocating/committing murder. Leftists want to control thoughts.

76 piss be upon him  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:39:24am

Lefties !! PC's !! Liberals !! Where are you? where is your whining and seething against this blatent hate speech towords Homosexuals ? whats wrong? or is the "hate crime!" whining only applies on christians?

77 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:20:24am

A thought precedes speech.

Hate speech = thought crime.

1984 is now.

78 Seymour Paine  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:44:07am

Typical of MooHamMudian tactics:

"I wouldn't encourage anyone to attack my enemy. And if you put this in the paper, it's discrimination against Islam and we will defend ourselves."

So, if you print what I say I will sue you for discrimination.

I hope this ends up as one more small step in the direction of removing MooHamMudians from the West; that is, forcibly expelling them back to whereever.

79 hcq  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:30:48am

I couldn't believe it.

The amazing part to me is not the imam's fulminating against homosexuality. It's that a member of his congregation was surprised.

80 Randy McDonald  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:30:24am

The amazing part to me is not the imam's fulminating against homosexuality. It's that a member of his congregation was surprised.

Why?

Surprised that all (or, maybe, just maybe, most) Muslims don't fit your stereotype?

81 hcq  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:05:35am

No. Amazed that ihe never knew this about his religion. What did he think the punishment for homosexuality would be, a public teasing?

82 Mar  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:45:03am

No one has been charged with a hate crime in Canada for speaking against gays.

There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. The vast majority of pedophilic attacks against children are male to female and involve family members or friends.

83 Randy McDonald  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:54:06am

hcq:

Amazed that ihe never knew this about his religion. What did he think the punishment for homosexuality would be, a public teasing?

Have you read the Bible?

84 Baldy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:02:14am

#83 Randy McDonald- The difference is that Christians & Jews do not execute gays. Muslims do.

85 Dom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:03:45am

#83 Who have you heard calling for biblical capital punishment?

86 iceman  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:51:34am

i come to LGF to learn something new everyday and also to spew fluids out my nose at something funny.

and i will be darned if this did not fill the bill

-------------------------------
#56 Craig Abu al-BooBoo 12/6/2003 08:00PM PST

"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."


God must live in the downstairs apartment

-----------------------------

so now to return the favor and give back a little.

i once read a very interesting book about what has been called anthropology's dirty little secret.

the book was

Ritualized Homosexuality in Melanesia by Gilbert Herdt.

i read it in 1993, it was printed in 1984

you can read a a short blurb on the book here

[Link: www.amazon.com...]


but the two links below give the real flavor of the activity.

[Link: www.nathanielwandering.net...]

[Link: www.virtualcity.com...]

needless to say i don't expect too much toleration from the islamic world for this practice

the gay left muslim alliance puzzles me.

has anyone done an analysis of the psychology of self hate and cognitive dissonance that must accompany this connection.

cheers and follow your bliss, just dont get caught at it.

87 Randy McDonald  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 10:23:36am

The difference is that Christians & Jews do not execute gays. Muslims do.

Any more, that is. You did have quite a few self-identified Christians in the United States who thought that gay sex should stay illegal, after all.

The problem is that people think the problems of the Muslim world are sui generis, that they don't have any precedents in Western history. They do, all of them. (Look at southern Europe in the first half of the 20th century, complete with high population growth and expansionistic totalitarian dictatorships.)

88 Geepers  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 10:39:34am

Randy McDonald (#87),

Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing that muslims kill homosexuals?

89 Jim B  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:27:57am

Nobody should use their religion to promote hatred of gays, or hatred of anyone for that matter. Anyone who does so is destined for hell.

90 Frankie Dintino  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:36:37am

Lev.: 20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Yeah, this whole intolerance thing isn't something exclusive to Islam.

91 PDM  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:44:50am

#90 Frankie Dintino,

Yeah, this whole intolerance thing isn't something exclusive to Islam.

I bet you hear rabbis calling for attacks on, or murder of gays all the time. Right?

92 Baldy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:53:10am

Yes, many Christians & Jews, leaders & followers, condemn homosexuality. The fact that muslims condemn homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is that muslims advocate killing gays, and many muslim countries do so.

By the way, I am gay, and know exactly what many Christians say about homosexuality.

93 Jim B  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:00:12pm

# 92 - It doesn't matter if you are gay or not. As long as you live a good life helping others and doing God's word, that is all that matters.

BTW and off-topic, the name Baldy, are you naturally bald or do you shave your head? I was just wondering, because I've thought of shaving mine and wondered if you had some tips.

94 Baldy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:05:03pm

#93 I am bald, and cut my hair w/electric clippers. Somehow, I think it makes my baldness less prominent.

95 Crusade Now  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 10:22:21pm

Remember when the Holocaust was on trial??? I think we should put the Koran on trial and this is a good case to do it.

I have had numerous conversations with albanians both in Australia and in the UK - and they were all talk. I saw 3 albanians get bashed outside the Walkabout in Shepherds Bush London by a bunch of Kiwis (WHITE kiwis at that) about year ago - we all stood around and laughed as they said they would be back to kill us "backpasckers" haha. Lucky for them the police came and rescued them. They came back to the Walkie as we are nothing but inclusive! But they never got in another fight there....

96 Baldy  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 3:59:33am

#95 Crusade Now: I'm sorry, but I see nothing funny about Albanians getting bashed.

97 Frankie Dintino  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 11:00:35am
I bet you hear rabbis calling for attacks on, or murder of gays all the time. Right?

Well, no, I don't recall any rabbis calling for attacks on gays, but there are a few Christian ministers who have. Perhaps you haven't heard of Rev. Phelps, head of the Westboro Baptist Church, and owner of the terribly-titled Godhatesfags.comgodhatesfags.com. So is Islam the problem? Is Christianity the problem? I don't think so - i think the problem is due to extremists. And yes, at the current moment in history, there are more Islam extremists than Christian or Jewish extremists - but that hasn't always been the case: look at the era of the Crusades for instance. I think that rather than simply attacking Islam, a more productive way to go about it is looking at the socio-economic factors causing the level of extremism among the followers of Islam, and correcting those.

98 steve miller  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 3:51:05pm

Yes, let's look at the Crusades - a REACTION to the attempted conquering of Europe by Islamic armies.

The point isn't that SOME xtians or mohammedans are terrorists - it's that DOES THE CORE TEACHING of the faith teach hate or love?

Xtianity - love your neighbor

Mohammedanism - conquer and enslave your neighbor through jihad

IRMC

99 Crusade Now  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 11:03:30pm

Baldy - come on! They are always telling anyone who will listen how dangerous they are and they got what they deserved that night as they were out of order.

100 PDM  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 12:52:05am

#97 Frankie Dintino,

You're quoting me, so I assume you're addressing me.

Well, no, I don't recall any rabbis calling for attacks on gays

That's because they don't! I've only heard a (Orthodox) rabbi speak about gays once, and his statement was essentially - keep it in your private life. I don't need to hear about it.

I agree. All of the homosexuals that I have known, were able to interact with me on a non-sexual level like anyone else. I've done business with them and have learned skills from them. I couldn't give a damn what they do in their bedroom.

I can't speak for Christians since I'm not one, and I'm not familiar with their teachings or their leaders.

Still, I do not see the same kind of hypocrisy regarding homosexuality anywhere in Christianity that I do in Islam.
What is this crap about Muslim men having sexual relations with other men and not considering it homosexuality?

I suppose only the kufr can be true homosexuals?

And yes, at the current moment in history, there are more Islam extremists than Christian or Jewish extremists - but that hasn't always been the case:

You mean as far as you're aware of. You think Islam has changed much since the days of Mohammed? C'mon! So they hated and you never heard about it. That doesn't mean the hate philosophy was not present. Islam is the ultimate in hate-theology. They justify MURDER for any number of reasons. Gay... Jew... woman... dishonor... (I know you can help me add to the list if you try).

I think that rather than simply attacking Islam, a more productive way to go about it is looking at the socio-economic factors causing the level of extremism among the followers of Islam, and correcting those.

Smells like teen spirit stinks like "root cause".
Sorry, that won't work on me. Socio-economic excuses do not justify not knowing right from wrong.

101 Frank IBC  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 12:19:02pm

Frankie D.:

And precisely how large a following does the "Reverend" Phelps have (other than Democrats in the Omaha area, for whom he is an active fundraiser)?

Did someone say

socio-economic factors

Grrrrrr....

102 ali  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 3:39:28am

whats with you all believin this imam said that??? out of 1000 worshippers only one heard it....its non sence.. this man asip demiri is a SPY and made these false accusations out of his own desire...... and yes the punishment for homosexuality in islam is death but thats in a muslim country with islamic law in pracitce not in australia
may allah dam and end this disease HOMOSEXUALITY

103 ali  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 3:50:19am

baldy u can go get fuked and ull pay the price in the fire of hell wen allah burns ur brains....ur not gonna smell paradies as muslims will ok ....homosexualls out der go get stuffed and wen u die dats wen the real torment will start cuz use r gonna get punished so badly dat u wish u had ur heads cut offf.
allahu akbar

104 Ms. Andi  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 6:43:48am

Wow, Ali

Your religion of convinient loop-holes sure allows just about any atrocity, doesn't it.

Thanks for your insight, little dude.

105 Ms. Andi  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 6:45:47am

"convenient" drat!

106 Dom  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 6:56:09am

Ali,

Respectfully get one of the boys to bring a condom this time or it'll only spread further. I know Shaykh Sheeps pbuh disagrees but from Allahqwerty's point of view it's better taking it with a condom than without.

107 Frank IBC  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 8:35:44am

baldy u can go get fuked and ull pay the price in the fire of hell wen allah burns ur brains

Isn't that a line from Kipling?

ur not gonna smell paradies as muslims will ok

Uh...should that be...

"parodies"?

"panties"?

108 benzene bob  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 10:47:01am

what do paradies smell like?

109 Church of Revenge  Sat, Dec 13, 2003 3:32:36pm

My religion prescribes muslims.


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