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Eavesdropping on Jihad

Tue, Dec 9, 2003 at 3:43:12 pm PST

Here’s something truly extraordinary, by way of Alphabet City; transcripts of wiretaps conducted by Italian authorities during an investigation into the Ansar al-Islam terror gang’s activities in Italy. The transcripts are a rare glimpse into the mentality and plotting of a jihad organization with deep roots in European countries:

In the context of the investigation in Milan into the Ansar al-Islam transnational terrorist organization, what has emerged is a "fresco" of the world of radical Islamism full of secret projects but also a propensity for subversion that is completely different from the one that we were accustomed to seeing here in Italy in connection with our own form of domestic political terrorism.

Thus over and above the more strictly investigative aspect, a thorough read through some of the documents or wiretaps conducted in the course of the investigation can be revealing in terms of the group's plans but also, and above all, in terms of its political, religious, and social implications. We can gain a clear idea of the prestige and program of Emir Krikar, the acknowledged leader of Ansar al-Islam, a group that is in turn linked to al-Tawid whose leader is Emir Abu Musab al-Zarkawi, still a leading member of Al-Qa'ida.

In this section, recorded at the offices of the Islamic Community in Milan on June 15, 2002, the Muslim conspirators discuss the countries where they have established cells:

[Man] But the mosques have too high a profile; they must be left alone. We need new structures; we are seeking from seven to nine buildings. We recently bought a four-story building.

[Abu Umar] Are we not concerning ourselves with the mosques?

[Man] Yes, we are concerning ourselves with them. We are also concerning ourselves with financing them, but money has to generate money because the aim is also to form an Islamic army with the name of Force 9 (source translator's note: the term used is Kawa )

[Abu Umar] How are things going in Germany?

[Man] I cannot complain. There are 10 of us; we are taking an interest in Belgium, Spain, The Netherlands, Turkey and Egypt, Italy and France, but the nerve center is still London... Shaykh Adlen has given a great deal of money; as I told you this plan has no need of any further comments or words.

[Abu Umar] I hope that this will cause our youth to shine.

[Man] That is our objective; each of us has a task, for instance if one has 10 operatives available, he becomes their leader and then it is up to him to decide whether to organize them into smaller groups or to keep them like that. The important thing is to use one's intelligence.

[Abu Umar] Even if they are foreigners (source translator's note: not Arabs)?

[Man] That is not important. We need also foreigners; we have Albanians, Swiss, British... It is enough that they be of a high cultural level. In Germany we have interpreters and interpreters that translate books; we have also in telecommunications [as published], also in Austria; the important thing is that their faith in Islam be sincere.

[Abu Umar] We have never had any problems with them; on the contrary, we have noticed that they are very enthusiastic and they participate.

[Man] Besides, neither you nor I are the ones who decide whether to take them or not; those who make the decision are the people with Hizb al-Tawid.

[Abu Umar] I am very enthusiastic about this plan.

[Man] Never worry about money, because Saudi Arabia's money is your money; the important thing is not to rush ahead, because it is all new; there are old things too, but the training is completely new. The man who wanted to set up the plan is close to Emir Abdullah and we are grateful to Emir Abdullah. Get prepared.

Forget conspiracy theories; this is a very real, well-organized conspiracy, well-funded with Saudi money (as the wiretaps clearly show) with one purpose: to infiltrate and destroy the societies of the West.

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1 Cybrludite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 1:47:39pm

Can we vape Ryhad now? Puuuuleese?

2 Deathberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 1:48:54pm
[Abu Umar] I hope that this will cause our youth to shine.

"Glow with gamma radiation", more likely.

3 ibrodsky  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 1:50:50pm

Hatred's Kingdom caught red-handed. Time to stop pretending Saudi Racist Arabia is our ally.

4 ploome  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 1:53:48pm

according to this URL, Abu Umar has disappeared

5 FabioC.  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 1:54:16pm

So the nerve centre is London: no surprise, knowing about the Finsbury Park Mosque's gang.

And the money comes from Saudi Arabia... I think THAT must be the next country in the list for a regime change.
But they have oil, they have Mecca and Medina... the situation is no simple at all.

6 Morgan  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 1:55:28pm

Every Muslim male in the US between the ages of 15 and 45 must be tracked and investigated - especially as to their sources of income. Foreign "students", like the ones who were caught casing the Baltimore Jewish girls school, must be sent home. FBI agents should infiltrate every Mosque and Islamic center in the country. And the Oil Ticks must be warned - if there is another attack in America, they lose their nation.

7 Scott  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:00:20pm

Why oh why is this not on the front page of the NYT? "Saudi Arabia's money is your money"!!! How many Zimmerman telegraphs must we find before we recognize these guys for what they are: the enemy.

15 of 19 indeed!

8 Sean II  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:03:02pm

U.S. Shuts Out France, Germany for Iraq Work

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citing national security reasons, U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has ruled that prime contracts to rebuild Iraq will exclude firms from nations such as France and Germany that opposed the U.S. war.

In a policy document released on Tuesday, Wolfowitz said he was limiting competition for 26 reconstruction contracts worth up to $18.6 billion that will be advertised in coming days.

9 long time reader, first time poster  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:03:34pm

#5 FabioC.


But they have oil, they have Mecca and Medina... the situation is no simple at all.


I disagree. The solution is very simple. Mecca is the most holy city, with Medina a close second. We drop a nuke on Medina and Bush goes on TV that night to say "Get in line, unless you are so dense you don't see what target #2 will be."

10 JWarrior  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:09:55pm

From text:

'[Man] It is necessary to have a great deal of intelligence. If Shaykh Abu Khalil, Shaykh Abu Qatada, and Shaykh Aden the Syrian are under
surveillance, there are other people who run the group in their stead, who handle the situation; second, one needs to be careful of the way he speaks, one must not just throw words about carelessly, one must control his tongue;'

DOH!

11 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:11:24pm

#5 fabioc

But they have oil, they have Mecca and Medina... the situation is no simple at all.

#9 says nuke 'em. A simpler solution is for Jordan with US backing reclaim Mecca and Medina as part of the Hashemite Kingdom.

12 Stop Hillary  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:15:30pm

I've always maintained that the Islamist Entity needs to be invaded and the oil seized so as to not disrupt the economies that rely on it. The Royal Family needs to be deposed and the fundamentalist clerics politically eviscerated. Oil wealth needs to be placed in trust, reinvested in Saudi Arabia away from the Royal Family and widely distributed into democratic hands. The concentration of the oil wealth in the hands of a few has been a injustice. that needs correcting, sort of like breaking up the fiefdoms.

When France complains, we'll do what we did last time. ignore them.

13 Baldy  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:16:58pm

I liked when they asked why they were put in same cell - seems like a good way to listen in on them.

14 Lively  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:19:52pm
The important thing is to use one's intelligence.

I don't know where to begin with this quote.

We have never had any problems with them (foreigners); on the contrary, we have noticed that they are very enthusiastic and they participate.

Usually when someone converts to your religion you welcome them with open arms. However, any new converts in Islam are just useful tools.

15 Gary Bruce  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:21:02pm

So London is the center, is it? Looks like Tony Blair has been playing a double game--joining the US in military campaigns even as he turns a blind eye to Islamic subversion in England. Perfidious Albion, indeed.

Why hasn't this story been trumpeted by our national media? Because the Left is an ally of Islamic Fascism.

Most of Europe in a state of terrified appeasement, and the Left in the US is actively defending Islamo-fascism. And snce Bush's political strategy claims that Islam is a Religion of Peace, there is no organized faction to drive honest coverage of Islamic subversion in the West.

We are in bigger trouble than we think.

16 Engineer  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:22:53pm

What's happened to LGF today? Is it the children’s hour or something?

#3 Morgan

Hatred's Kingdom caught red-handed. Time to stop pretending Saudi Racist Arabia is our ally.

This proves nothing. Maybe the guy means that he has a bank account in SA. Maybe he means that somebody in SA is funding them. Maybe .... a bunch of things. No where does it say that the goverment of Saudi Arabia is funding this.

Now I don't like or trust the KSA, but we can't take them down right now.

17 addison  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:33:41pm

Off Topic:

I'm listening to the Democrat "debate" in New Hampshire...

What a group of boring, idea-less people. They seem incapable of answering "Yes/No" questions without meandering and taking tortured paths to attack George Bush--and this to questions that are of the sort "Do you think loyalty can be transferred by an endorsement?". Somehow they meander their way to "Bush bad, bad, bad man. Me no like Bush."

I am amazed--a.m.a.z.e.d--that anyone could even countenance voting for any of them. They are a group of feelers who are driven by hate (save Lieberman, Edwards, and Kucinich (who is driven by near-insanity)) who offer no ideas aside from "Bush bad, us good."

18 karamazov  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:34:30pm
Forget conspiracy theories; this is a very real, well-organized conspiracy, well-funded with Saudi money (as the wiretaps clearly show) with one purpose: to infiltrate and destroy the societies of the West.

From The Lord of the Rings..."It is an army bred for one purpose, to destroy the world of men."

That's some strong coffee.

19 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:49:49pm

#16 Engineer

Now I don't like or trust the KSA, but we can't take them down right now.

Wrong. Again.

20 Seymour Paine  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:50:57pm

As some people have suggested (myself, included), the most important thing we can do is destroy Saudi Arabia, literally. Wipe it and everyone living there out. That would be the single best thing we can do to safeguard our liberty and the liberty of the world. Eliminate terror's banker.

21 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:51:28pm

#19 mr. pol

Hashemites into Mecca and Medina!

22 veebee  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:52:54pm

It's not that there is no conspiracies, you know. Terrorists are conspirators by definition.

23 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 2:55:58pm

#21 ralph

Hashemites into Mecca and Medina!

Yeah, sure... best case, we end up with Balestinian control of the Saudi oil fields.

24 Ms. Andi  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:03:48pm

I found the references to cell members being there since the 70's and 80's quite telling.

To all those LLL's who believe W is turning people into terrorist and therefore creating terror: WAKE UP!

25 marymary  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:04:14pm

If you get ten recruits you become their leader. It's a pyramid scheme.

#20

the most important thing we can do is destroy Saudi Arabia, literally. Wipe it and everyone living there out.


Maybe that would be the surest victory, and I know we'll do it if we have to, but I really hope that we can find some other way of defeating them. At least the House of Saud is going to have to die. But maybe we can use the oil money to turn the teeming Islamic masses into modern, middle class earthlings.

A large middle class is the best political stabilizer, and education helps build a middle class. Another lovely side effect is that education makes one less likely to believe in crap like macaroni-eating dwarves and a whore-house Paradise.

26 Roger L. Simon  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:07:24pm

How can anyone sya we are not at war? For those who accused me of going over-the-top on my blog by saying the antiwar faction was objectively pro-fascist, I have to ask them to respond to conversations like this.

27 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:13:05pm

#26 Roger L. Simon

How can anyone say we are not at war?

The concept of war assumes someone at least attempts to fight back. Surrender is not war.

28 Ms. Andi  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:13:28pm

In addition to my comment in #24 I would like to add that it is so freaking windy in Austin right now. Good God!

29 Paladin  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:17:07pm

They have been telling us their agenda since the 8th century.

Perhaps now we will believe them. Except the LLL and the Democrats.

30 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:17:08pm

#23 mr.pol

Yeah, sure... best case, we end up with Balestinian control of the Saudi oil fields.

The best case is for a muslim civil war fought on muslim land. Hashemites on to Mecca and Medina. Take back your land.

31 reaganite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:19:04pm

#26 Roger L. Simon
My L³ family is telling me that we're not and they're only mad because of Iraq. I asked how did Iraq cause 9-11. They claimed "DS-1", so I asked how did DS-1 cause it? They're reply, "Bush lied". Circular argument, GIGO.

32 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:25:01pm

#30 ralph

So you've got the Jordanian army, half of them Balestinians, going after the Sauds. The Balestinians cannot be used against the Wahabbis, it's going to be the Beduin half that enters the magic kingdom. Meanwhile, back in Jordan, there's nobody left to squash the PLO, no Black September this time, and Jordan *and* the remaining Jordanian army, including the air force, is now controlled by Arafat.

I don't think the Balestinians will go help their Wahabbi masters - they'll wait until both the Sauds and the Beduins are exhausted before going after what's left. Along with Syria, Iran, Turkey...

Brilliant. Meanwhile, without oil from Arabia, the world economy collapses. And all that because stupid ralph wanted to go after Mecca and Medina instead of securing the oil fields and the shipping terminals.

33 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:26:11pm

@26 Roger L. Simon

Oh, but we have our deniers here too. Even after reading the transcript, we get we're going over the top in reaction.

I guess it will take staring an ugly death in the face to wake up some people.
Wouldn't you say that if they were talking about Saudi money, which is the house of Saud which is the government of Saudi that you have a direct link showing who is financing this new plan?

But we are a bunch of children going over the top today.

34 Paladin  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:28:58pm

#33 quark2

Get over the top as soon as you can!

Your life may depend upon it.

35 reaganite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:30:49pm

#34 Paladin

Get over the top as soon as you can!

quark2 is fine, just the way she is. You know, rational and all that...

36 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:31:45pm

@31 reaganite

*LMAO!

Sounds like that recycling is a familial circle jerk!
How the hell could Bush lied have started DS-1? He had secret contact with Saddam I guess saying hey ol' man it's a go for you to take Kuwait. Gheeze!

They have made up their noodles they will not under any circumstance face the truth. That's sad.

37 zulubaby  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:34:38pm

quark2, you make more sense than most, nothing "over the top" about you at all -- some people just find the truth too ugly to confront, is all.

38 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:36:06pm

@35 reaganite

Thanx. :)

What irks my hide is trying to warn someone and all you get in return is an argument. It's like talking to a fence post sometimes.

39 Paladin  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:37:08pm

#35 reaganite

LOL!

You know what I meant.

40 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:37:18pm

#32 mr. pol

there's nobody left to squash the PLO


The country is called Israel. They know where the PLO leadership resides.

Along with Syria


Hemmed in by Turkey and 120,000 US troops in Iraq.

without oil from Arabia, the world economy collapses


No the House of Saud finds playing hardball a little tough without muscle. Beside 120,000 troops in Iraq makes a difference. Hashemites reclaim your land. Let the guardians of the "holy" sites have a clue.

41 reaganite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:38:27pm

#36 quark2
My brother never did answer how Bush lied in the SotU when I pointed out Congress authorized war 100 odd days before. Sometimes, I really wonder how I was sired by the same genes.

42 gymnast  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:39:56pm

If we are not careful, we are going to give them enough rope to hang ourselves.

43 Paladin  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:41:54pm

#41 reaganite

Just lucky you got the dominant genes rather than the recessive ones.

44 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:42:29pm

#40 ralph

Israel trying to protect Jordan from the PLO? Sure. Let's deploy the IDF in Jordan. After all, it's not like there was any terrorist threat.

Forget about the Hashemites reclaiming Arabia. They cannot start to do it without immediately losing Jordan to the PLO.

45 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:45:07pm

@37 zulubaby

Thanx.

If being over the top keeps us alive, all the more better! :)


I've learned what the new camera is. It's a Nikon coolpix 2100. I should have it in about a week.

Can't wait!

46 piano gal  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:45:46pm

According to Ralph Peters, suicide bombings will happen in the US. What are your feelings about this?

And why haven't garden-variety Hamas-style suicide bombings happened in the US? (besides 9/11)

47 reaganite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:46:02pm

#43 Paladin

Just lucky you got the dominant genes rather than the recessive ones.

I can't for the life of me understand how we got such different lessons out of our upbringing.

48 zulubaby  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:48:10pm

quark2 (#45)

Sounds yummy!

49 reaganite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:50:23pm

#46 piano gal

And why haven't garden-variety Hamas-style suicide bombings happened in the US? (besides 9/11)

The terrorists found out after 9-11 that Slick Willy isn't in office anymore. Even the L³ will ask for a bloody war if the bombings happen here. AQ knows that, they think if they bloody us enough overseas we'll run away again. That is why W has to win the next election, so the war continues.

50 Ali Al-Beheshti  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:50:34pm

BS"D

Hmm, what could that sound be?? Oh, I recognise it now, it is the sound of me being majorly NOT Surprised. the vulgarian, hypocritical, and cowardly house of khazer sa'ud (y'mach shmo) are ever on the alert for the main chance to harm the west. They ceaslessly seek opportunities to cozen up to persons of low morals who have positions of authority in government or industry, seeking to expand their malignant influence over western policy makers, while contemporaniously funding "jihad-squad" fanatic fools to destroy innocent lives in the west.

Would that the west could be collectively "slapped" about the head and ears, to wake them up to the danger they face. At the begining of the cold war Kruschev proclaimed that they (the communists) would bury the west. At least he was open about his goal. The leaders of the unpricipled hoards of wasabi-wahabi fanatics prefer to lie, and cozen in pursuit of their goal.

Heed the words of one who has lived for far to long in a moo slime society, defend yourselves and your society before it is too late, or all that you love, your country, your family, your values, will be dead, defiled, or dhimmi-fied.

51 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:52:35pm

@41 reaganite

Maybe you should start letting him know that you got all of the smart genes in the family. *lol
Then again maybe you were switched at birth! Sometimes I wonder about some of the members in my family...plum brain dead.
I think what it boils down to, that some of us have superior survival instincts and the rest just have stinky ends. *lol

52 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:53:06pm

#44 mr. pol

Forget about the Hashemites reclaiming Arabia. They cannot start to do it without immediately losing Jordan to the PLO.

The PLO is a few missile strikes away from oblivion. The Turks and the Hashemites, who used to control Mecca and Medina until the Sauds stole it, have no interest in putting down Wahhabi extremism? Mr. pol you sound like the LLL's. More status quo please?

53 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 3:59:50pm

#52 ralph

The PLO is a few missile strikes away from oblivion.

Wrong. The PLO has never been stronger, or more dangerous.

The Turks and the Hashemites, who used to control Mecca and Medina until the Sauds stole it, have no interest in putting down Wahhabi extremism?

The Turks, with an Islamist government right now, would go help the Wahhabites.

The Hashemites cannot go after Mecca and Medina.

Mr. pol you sound like the LLL's. More status quo please?

While you really sound like a death cultist. Mecca and Medina, indeed! Who gives a shit about Mecca and Medina? Control of Mecca and Medina will ultimately pass onto whoever controls the oil fields and the shipping terminals. Only a brain-dead pedophile false-prophet follower can ignore that.

54 reaganite  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:01:52pm

#51 quark2

I think what it boils down to, that some of us have superior survival instincts and the rest just have stinky ends. *lol

All of my siblings are a bit nuts. It's funny though that my oldest brother, the Green Beret (BTW, a Soldier's Medal recipient) is a lefty! He makes me look sheltered. I honestly just don't get how I got such a different lesson than they did.

55 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:03:12pm

@50 Ali Al-Beheshti

I want to thank you for sharing your experiences and your knowledge with us. I appreciate the information that you share with us. Keep up the good work, of crying aloud the warnings. Some of us do heed you, and others will awaken.

56 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:14:17pm

#53 mr. pol

Wrong. The PLO has never been stronger, or more dangerous.


Arafish is dead. Take his money.

The Turks, with an Islamist government right now, would go help the Wahhabites.


So the Turks with cordial diplomatic relations with Israel are really Wahhabi wannabees?

While you really sound like a death cultist. Mecca and Medina, indeed! Who gives a shit about Mecca and Medina?


Who gives a shit about the Al Asqua(sp?) mosque in Jerusalem? The Wahhabis?

57 Bob  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:14:53pm

Never worry about money, because Saudi Arabia's money is your money

I'm sure there are some bureaucrats in Foggy Bottom who couldn't agree more.

58 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:23:01pm

#56 ralph

Who gives a shit about the Al Asqua(sp?) mosque in Jerusalem? The Wahhabis?

Yeah, it takes a Wahhabi (or you) to believe that taking the Al-Aqsa mosque is taking Jerusalem. Or Israel.

59 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:28:58pm

#58 mr. pol

Yeah, it takes a Wahhabi (or you) to believe that taking the Al-Aqsa mosque is taking Jerusalem. Or Israel.

My understanding of Islam leads me to believe that the Al-aqsa mosque is not important to Islam. The Wahhabis have made it important. Got to fund those suicide bombers. Just ask Saddam if you can find him.

60 Paladin  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:37:56pm

#47 reaganite

I won't even start on my siblings.

Let's just say I would trade you even-up and a chimpanzee to be named later.

61 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:48:19pm

@54 reaganite

I dunno, it will take someone of a higher mind than mine to answer that mystery.
It's mindboggling that your brother was sucessful in his service as a Green Beret to take a sudden left turn.
Something must have happened to have embittered him in such a way to turn his back on the principles that he served under.

62 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:51:05pm

#59 ralph

Finally a word of reason:

Got to fund those suicide bombers.

And got to fund everything else, too.

Arabia economical center is the oil fields. Whoever controls the oil fields and the shipping terminals controls Arabia's economy. Arabia political center is Riyad, and controlling Riyad is controlling Arabia. Whoever controls Arabia and its economy controls Mecca and Medina. It's that simple. So let the death cultists bleed for Mecca and Medina. It's not worth it. Get the oil fields, get the shipping terminals, and get Riyad. Mecca and Medina will fall by themselves.

If the Hashemites wanted to take over Arabia, they would have to do it that way. It is not possible, because they are too weak to control the oil fields while at the same time defending their rear base, Jordan. They could take Mecca and Medina, and maybe even Riyad. For a while. But they could not keep them, not until the PLO is destroyed and Syria regime is changed.

The best way to handle the Sauds today is to freeze their foreign assets. That will weaken them enough to get the Sauds fighting against the Wahhabites, and get most of the Islamists involved in the fight, along with "moderate" Arabs. That's when the U.S. should secure the oil fields, if possible with a U.N. mandate, and let the Arabs fight it out among themselves to control Mecca and Medina. When enough Arabs are dead (say, 75%), then it'll be time to think about setting up a democracy or reforming Islam.

63 quark2  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 4:55:20pm

@60 Paladin


*LOL!

I feel your pain. Sounds like you are doing the same battle as reaganite.
Thank heavens all of my circle jerk relatives live far from me! I would be wielding a clue by four all of the time.*lol

64 Michael  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 5:05:01pm

Quote from Dan Darling about Milan tapes on Alphabet city:

Hizb-ut-Tahrir, a vehemently anti-Semitic political organization
that advocates the recreation of the caliphate, is an al-Qaeda
front. I already knew that they were recruiting for the IMU in the
Ferghana Valley, but this is the first I've heard of them working for
al-Qaeda in Europe. They're banned throughout the Middle East and
Central Asia, but they have a presence on most major European
university campuses.

See Rooting for Jihad #224...

65 ralph  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 5:12:23pm

#62 mr.pol

Arabia economical center is the oil fields.

Mr. Pol you have a "Cold War" mentality. Oil can be found world wide. Just ask the Africans or Russians.

If the Hashemites wanted to take over Arabia, they would have to do it that way.


They gain the "holy "places and the Sauds are finished.
No more concessions to the "martyrs". Look at 1920 map of Israel like you do for a 1920 map of the Saudi/Hashemite Arabia!

66 Michael  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 5:15:11pm

Sorry...Rooting for the Mujahideen #224

67 Mr Pol  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 5:23:12pm

#65 ralph

Arabia economical center is the oil fields.
Mr. Pol you have a "Cold War" mentality. Oil can be found world wide. Just ask the Africans or Russians.

Apparently you can't read. Or maybe you're just an idiot. Does Arabia produce anything but oil? Take those fields, Arabia starves.

Oil can be found worldwide, yeah. So what? Without the output from the Arabian fields, the price of oil would significantly increase. That price increase would trigger a worldwide recession, just like the 1973 embargo did, and cost millions of lives in the developing countries, again just like the 1973 embargo. That is why a U.N. mandate to secure the oil fields and keep the oil flowing could be obtained once a civil war is started in Arabia.

They gain the "holy "places and the Sauds are finished.

They "gain" the "holy places", lose Jordan, and starve in blissful Muslim "holyness".

68 h.w.g.a.  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 6:54:10pm

nothing to see here folks, move along, just oil ticks fueling terror

69 seafarious  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 7:55:51pm

This comment points to more analysis of this subject over at Rantburg.

70 Crusade Now  Tue, Dec 9, 2003 10:16:10pm

The europeans are the biggest bunch of dumbfucks

Now the UK wants to charge aussies, kiwis etc huge sums of money to go to there to pull beers as the UK needs to use the money to PROCESS ASYLUM APPLIATIONS! There was 5 middle easterners who were recently given a 4year visa for asylum where aussies are on a 2 year one. WHAT A JOKE THE UK/EU IS

71 DocMartyn  Wed, Dec 10, 2003 12:01:14am

Two points.
The British are tracking Islamists and given the amount of time they tracked the IRA, they are quite good at it. They have some very small bugs indeed.

If you want Saudi oil, take out the 30,000 westerners who reside in the KSA, then takeout the FIVE desalination plants that provide the Kingdom with 90% of it's water. Then swap oil for water. You know it makes sense.

72 Steve Hall  Wed, Dec 10, 2003 12:47:37am

With attitudes like this from the IFRC, jihad can only get more prevalent:

"We have been particularly alarmed by the erosion of respect for our neutral and impartial work to alleviate human suffering, as well as the growing insecurity faced by humanitarian workers, especially those working as volunteers, with little else to protect them except the emblem," said IFRC President Juan Manuel Suárez del Toro, opening the conference on December 3....

"I believe that the solution to avoiding becoming a target will be to put greater emphasis on the quality (of our work), and to improve our understanding of local cultures so that we will not do things that can be misinterpreted,”.he said. ...

73 Rednek  Wed, Dec 10, 2003 5:54:05am

#46 #49

My nutty hypothesis is that the jihadis are going to launch a suicide bombing campaign if not a major attack prior to the election in a way that will be calculated to help the Democrats.


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