First read Bush's Organ doners.

Nazimedia is right. Those creeps are nothing but thugs.

This is very remiscent of National Socialist methods circa 1910-1930. Harrass, hassle, threaten and wreak havoc on those you don't agree with.

Not surprising at all.

However, aren't there laws in America to prevent this sort of incitement ? Can't someone lodge a police report ?

I've scanned about half of the list - I don't see any phone numbers.

I see some sort of FEC number (I think) that is perhaps being mistaken for a phone number.

Haaretz has a story regarding the Palestinian Criminal Khalil Mohammed Abdullah al-Nawara who was one of the 13 in the Church of the Nativity melee in 2002. He was granted asylum in Belgium and was recently arrested on suspicion of partaking in a major theft.

[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

Cana-DA: Are you listening?

Willy, How 'bout just kicking their asses if they bother you? It might be the only way to get them to quit.

Harass and boycott the donors to Bush, and that's going to sway them to your side of the argument how?

Could these people be any more stupid?

Nazis were Brownshirts. So what should we call these punks?

BTW, Fox is reporting that the US can't detain the "dirty bomb" suspect, or at least a court ruled that.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I actually agree with that, as the guy is an American citizen. I have no problem with doing it for non-citizens, but when its an American things have to be done differently. I am no LLL, mind you, but there do need to be some checks on power, especially on citizens arrested or detained in this country.

This will have a significant chilling effect on free speech and legitimate popular expressions of...
Oh, wait, only Bushitler/Asscroft can do that.

Perhaps they'd prefer if contributors wore yellow stars on their shirts for easier identification.

"Nazis were Brownshirts. So what should we call these punks?"

I've been calling them blackshirts for years, for their affinity to Mussolini's gangs and, of course, because they really do wear black.

FH: Padilla deserves legal representation. With sufficient evidence a judge will affirm detention if necessary. The whole idea of detainment of US Citizens under the effects of Shadow Government are not in any American's best interests.

Evidence can remain in confidence between DOJ, the judge and the defense attorney.

Padilla wil be released within 30 days. Oy.

I'm telling you: Free speech is only for Uber-Libs!

That's why they like to say Bush = Hitler- the grand illusion! the great denial and projection that is the socialist left. Scary stuff.

I appreciate the sentiment here, but let's not throw around the term "Nazi." Unless they're advocating the mass killing of a group of people, we shouldn't use that term--it's the sort of thing the left is using against Bush, and it's ridiculous.

Funny, if we made a list of donors to democratic campaigns, groups that support Muslims terror and front groups for the communist chinese government would be included...

I think Clinton was a lot more corrupt than folks think...that Chinese money is uber uber shady.

Lose the 2nd amendment and the whole farm will be gone as well as the country in which it resides.

#15 - true but the cat is out of the bag.
I don't undrestimate the depth of hatred these people (the far-left) have. Given the chance they would gladly do what was necessary to silence us.

#15

appreciate the sentiment here, but let's not throw around the term "Nazi." Unless they're advocating the mass killing of a group of people, we shouldn't use that term--it's the sort of thing the left is using against Bush, and it's ridiculous.

They ARE advocating the mass killing of a group of people, Zionists, which just happens to include every Jew who doesn't openly state that Israel is an apartheid state. And they be dealt with quietly after.

I wonder if the Democrat party realizes what kind of animals they are breeding. I doubt if this hate will go away after the 2004 elections. Oh FH ( # 8 ), we'll just relocate this good citizen to your neigborhood, right.

I am sad for this country, now, with the level to which people who present themselves and their party as the one of "ideas, tolerance and inclusivness" to not only post publicly the names of lawful, legitimate donors to the Party of Lincoln but to make comments such as:

"Its pointless to tell these types of people why anyway, as they're obviously crooked to begin with, or
they wouldn't be a Republican and big-time donor at that. Ever since Enron fiasco, I've decided to stay
clear of Republican's, If I know 'em to be one, when comes to business. Can't trust 'em, is my opinion!"

This is in regard to some unspecified business deal that will now not come together since the party making this comment has found out that the other is a donor to the Republican party. How pitiful and short sighted. Dumb to the point of ridicule.

What would be the cry from the Left if I were to say in a public forum that I pulled out of a business deal simply because I found the other was black / female / hispanic / gay / handicapped and therefore "obviously dishonest to begin with".

This is blatant, mindless discrimination. It is also useless to try to tell him that, because there is in his eyes there is justification (Enron!) - a scandal that has in his small mind tarred millions of his fellow citizens with what amounts to original sin which cannot be overlooked or forgiven. He is on the side of Good and Righteousness! That will show those b***ds.

Then, again, so thought Robespirre as he sharpened the blade on his guillotine. I am convinced that people of this ilk do not realize how close they are to the brink...the same mindset that brought forward the Reign of Terror.

I hope this SOB does his "deal" with a nice safe Democrat and then find out later that he was dealing with a crook of the first order and he loses his ass in the deal.

At the very least, the leaders of the Democratic Party and the candidates that are striving for the nomination should condemn this action in strong, unequivocal and unambiguous language. Any hope of that?

I wish I was on that list... and I would just love for one of them to call.

Roll-aid (#21),

What would be the cry from the Left if I were to say in a public forum that I pulled out of a business deal simply because I found the other was black / female / hispanic / gay / handicapped and therefore "obviously dishonest to begin with".

Well, they've almost certainly done just that, because almost certainly there are black, female, hispanic, gay and handicapped Republicans that have donated money to Bush.

Of course as usual the cry from the left will be:

[crickets]

"Its pointless to tell these types of people why anyway, as they're obviously crooked to begin with, or they wouldn't be a Republican and big-time donor at that. Ever since Enron fiasco, I've decided to stay clear of Republican's, If I know 'em to be one, when comes to business. Can't trust 'em, is my opinion!"

Oh, those evil Homemakers, Farmers and the self employed, constantly oppressing the "little guy".

#24 etc.
LOL!! I love you guys! (now getting misty-eyed)

we should call every number inform where we got it then thank the person for supporting gwb

The Socialist Workers Party (that sturdy pillar of the Indymedia universe) has been granted partial exemptions from FEC disclosure rules until 2008, because they claimed that the publication of their donors would lead to harassment.

Here is a link to the FEC advisory opinion.

Please note that SWP and the committees supporting SWP candidates must still comply with all other reporting obligations such as electronic filing and reporting their independent expenditures while omitting the names and information concerning contributors, donors and vendors.

Nice to know that the government is protecting the rights and privacy of fascists and left-fascists, so they can harass others undisturbed.

I didn't see any phone numbers. Anyhow, it's a matter of public record, and I think the case for harassment is tough unless it actually happens.

Harass me at your own risk, motherf#$%r.

#27 Glen Wishard: Ah, some animals more equal to others. I remember when this issue came out, and was (like an idiot) sure they would be laughed out of court.

And elsewhere in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, the granola-commie Linda Averill (of the oxymoronic "Freedom Socialist Party") was exempted from Seattle donor disclosure laws in August by a federal judge, "because of donors' fears of threats or intimidation if their names were revealed."

#23 Geepers

Yeh, wouldn't that be sweeet! Have this ignoramous find out the evil Republican was in fact a black, handicapped, -transgendered Vietnam vet with a Native American mother.

I should be more polite, though.

The "offending" Republican is more than likely a fellow citizen, pays his taxes, loves his wife and kids, visits the local natural foods co-op for fresh vegtables, has a gay friend at work, gets along well with the couple next door neighbor who just happens to be black, supports local schools and thinks that we should as a society preserve wilderness areas just because they are wilderness areas, takes care of his wife's aged mother, volunteers at the church to tutor Laotian immigrants and likes dogs. But that would be asking TOOO much to treat him like a fellow American, now, would it? After all, he gave money to the Republican Party.

Speaking of unhinged Nazimedia moonbats, has anyone seen how Jean Teasdale (a.k.a. The LGF Stalker) is now reduced to completely making stuff up about Charles?

Maybe now that the economy is picking up, she can go back to working at Fashion Bug and collecting troll dolls.

Well, since they have not figured out that the majority of the country SUPPORTS President Bush --it could backfire on them and might motivate more to patronize those businesses rather than boycott them.

They are so blinded by their own delusions of cleverness it doesn't occur to them that there are far fewer on "their side."

#22 rayA

Thankfully, only the biggest donors are on that list, or I would be there. I do know lots fo those people, though, ad I'm glad that the phone #s aren't there for most.

Vile leftist pukes.

#27 Glen Wishard

The Socialist Workers Party (that sturdy pillar of the Indymedia universe) has been granted partial exemptions from FEC disclosure rules until 2008, because they claimed that the publication of their donors would lead to harassment.

There was a candidate for the Seattle City Council who took that to court. (BTW, she is a Mtero bus driver, who, among other things, complained about Metro putring US flags on busses -- they were intimidating to non-American drivers, and railroaded a proclamation through a union meeting stating that the union local was opposed to the war.)

Perhaps the moonbats will harrass the Bush contributors, then THEY can take it to court -- and have evidence to prove it.

#33 V the K - I think it's trying to be funny ;)
If it is, we've got nothing to worry about - not with Iowahawk (and you) on our side.

#31 Glen Wishard

And elsewhere in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, the granola-commie Linda Averill

Yup. She's who I was talking about.

#37 Smit

You're probably right. After all, a leftist is someone who thinks Bill Clinton is honest, Michael Moore is smart, and Janeane Garofalo is funny.

I love how one guy from Fresno posted:

Eric Simonson

Come harass me. "I'll be you're huckleberry."

And he gives his full address. LOL!

Re #21's reference to Robespierre and the French Revolution:

Robespierre called his Perfect State that would result from the Revolution "The Republic of Perfect Virtue".

I had to do some research on the French Revolution for an art piece some years ago. I discovered some interesting things:

1) It was half Trekkies gushing over "And then we'll have The Federation!" and half the killing fields of Cambodia.

2) There was actually a depopulation program seriously proposed by at least one of the factions during their 15 minutes of fame/power. You see, Plato's Republic taught that the Perfect State could have only 8 million people and France's population was 25 million. What to do with the surplus 17 million? Giant mass guillotines were proposed; so were "vertical deportations" (mass drownings in the rivers); one proposal was for "mass asphyxiations by means of gas", but the logistics could never be worked out.

3) Every revolution for the next 200 years -- First Russian, Chinese, and all those Third World People's Democratic Republics -- was deliberately based on the French. Only with "Gorbachev's Fire Sale" of 1989 did revolutions move back to the American model.

4) And remember, the end of the Perfect Utopia is so righteous it justifies any evil means whatsoever to bring it about. The Perfect Utopian Omelet will always require smashing more and more eggs.

#33 V the K

I think she's bored and trying to be funny but failing miserably.

What a pathetic creature.

After seeing this list, I'm doubling my contribution to the GOP this year. F--- you LLL nazi thugs!

#40-

There's a few "harass me" addresses posted now.

"I'm Spartacus!"

8^)

My name is Jeff Edelman, i'm going to give the full $ 4000.00 to Bush-Cheney 04 and my phone number is 314-653-5693. Call me, lefty scum.

Is this legal? I think someone should let the White House know.

jimmytheclaw (#26)

we should call every number inform where we got it then thank the person for supporting gwb

LOL. That's the best suggestion so far.

Nazis were Brownshirts. So what should we call these punks?

How about calling them the Brownstains?

I think she's bored and trying to be funny but failing miserably.

I think she's dumb and trying to be funny but failing miserably.

#49 V the K

You're right. Is she still miffed at you?

I posted my address and phone number so the Red/Green Shirts can come get me when they get their revolution.

I'd like to encourage all of us here to do the same...

You don't have to tell anyone which name address and phone number goes with your nom de cyber, you know.

V the K-"Jean Teasdale"-LMFAO!!!

Have you been calling her that for long or is it a new thing? :-)

zulubaby:

Is this legal?

The information posted is all obtained from [Link: www.fec.gov,...] where you can enter someone's name and find out just how much money your dope-smoking neighbor is giving to the Libertarian party, in about 5 seconds..

Neither the FEC search page or the result page includes any kind of warning or disclaimer about the use of this information. Not so much as a single line to say "Misuse of this information to harass or harm individuals is illegal", etc.

Ms. Andi and evariste

Jean Teasdale ROFLMAO. Have you been calling her that for long or is it a new thing? :-)

Is she still miffed at you?

About two weeks ago, I noticed the LGF Stalker uses an almost identical prose style to Jean Teasdale, and jokingly suggested they were the same person. This observation earned me her wrath (apparently, I'm a bad Jeanketeer) and made me... the only LGF-er besides Charles singled-out for (semi-literate) ridicule by the LGF Stalker

I couldn't be more pleased, but I'm still waiting for some leftist creep to start a Viking-the-Kitten-watch. Set knows I've given them ample reason

I was not the least amused to scroll through the list and find a couple's names on the list whose picture is sitting on my desk at the moment. Although my brother-in-law is quite capable of taking care of himself, anybody messing with my niece and nephew is going to find out what kind retaliation I'm capable of.

Heh!!!

apparently, I'm a bad Jeanketeer

You rule, Vike.

#39 V the K

You're probably right. After all, a leftist is someone who thinks Bill Clinton is honest, Michael Moore is smart, and Janeane Garofalo is funny.

Oh, that's dirty. I used to call myself a leftist (centrist now) and I never for a moment, thought that Bill Clinton was honest or that Jenneane Garafalo (gag cough) was funny.

But Mike Moore didn't seem to really melt down till the last presidential election, so I had no idea he was an idiot.

Glen Wishard (#54)

But the Nazimedia freaks are suggesting that people harass the donors. It's quite frightening to see how malicious people can be. To what end? There are enough real threats to worry about and think about yet these idiots choose to devote their time to harassing people who give money to Bush? I find it disturbing.

#59 Joshua Scholar

I used to call myself a leftist ...

I have seen this from quite a few people of late. However, I have never seen anyone say "I used to call myself a right-winger..." or even centrist for that matter.

I think what is happening in this country is that the right is moving kind of center and the left just keeps getting lefter. In other words, the former leftists like Joshua haven't really changed their views so much as the conservatives have met people like this in the middle.

Think about it. Conservatives used to be known as insensitive, racist, rich, religious right, fat-cats. That is hardly the Republican party of now. My views have not changed that much and there was a time when I and other would have considered me liberal simply because I observe no particular religion and question drug laws. Now, that doesn't mean squat.

Everytime conservatives collectively say to liberals, "I agree with you" the liberals freak out and go farther left as not to be associated with us "war-mongering, racist, bible-thumping, rich, imperialists." A stigma that is less accurate than it ever has been in history.

Am I off base here?

Was not harrasing and intimidating those who oppose them and harting their businesses the favorite tactic of the Nazis?

I have mixed feelings on this.

#1. this is publicly available info

#2. As americans if people wish to make business decisions based on political matters that is not improper.

#3. I see no reason why small doners should not be publically listed when large doners are. You have the right to speech but not the right for people to agree

#4. There is a long tradition of boycotting people who support groups you disagree with

On the other hand if people use this info for the wrong reasons then it is a big issue.

We should be very careful restricting the use of public information, however if our Indy friends act improperly with it the Feds should come down on them like a load of bricks.

Maybe a few might even figure out that good people can disagree on politicts and still be good people.

Hey I have the right to hope.

Here's what a I posted over at the fever swamp:

How cool is that? Started reading the comments, then one, then another then every friggin' comment is telling you reactionary leftist asshelmet what a bunch of idiots you are. WTG!

The Democratic party is doomed.

MonkeyPants
Imperial Minion

#61 Unsalted Cracker, you aren't off-base at all. I'll go ahead and say it too: I used to be a leftist...the reaction to 9/11 made me realize what party I had a lot more in common with.
I like nro's label, South Park Republicans.

Harrasing phone calls are illegal. Harrasing people in person is illegal.

I don't think "conspiracy to harrass" is exactly a crime. It is childish though.

So they want o boycott Republican donors businesses, big deal. To hear them talk, every business owner except Ben & Jerry and a few health food store owners are Republican fat-cats.

My questions to the boycotters: What are you going to put in the tank of your car to get the engine to run? What are you going to drive, for that matter? When you are at the doctor's office from eating nothing but Cherry Garcia and tofu are you going to ask his political positions?

#60 zulubaby -

Assuming that the same law applies to everyone (ha ha ha):

The FEC granted an exemption to the Socialist Worker's Party when they presented evidence of harassment in court. (Though some of the evidence was pretty dubious: like a fist fight between some SWP communists and Ku Kluxers at a rally).

If Indymediots take the hint (someone might, for example, explain it to them using hand-puppets) and they go out and harass Republicans, vandalize property, etc., targetting individuals because they appear on an FEC list, -- and these actions are documented -- then the Republican Party or the Bush Campaign could go to court and demand an exemption from FEC disclosure laws.

That would mean that the Republican Party would be exempt, while the Democratic Party would not. Which would make for an interesting discussion on The McLaughlin Group, no?

Another criterion for exemption, though, was that the (oxymoronic) Socialist Workers Party is really, really unpopular. They even hate themselves. As children, their mothers tied pork chops around their necks so the dog would play with them, etc. Any sensible person would be tempted to run over SWP donors with an SUV, etc. So, they argued, they had to have special protection.

Democratic lawyers could block a Republican exemption, therefore, by arguing that Republicans are really popular.

#63

You could have a case if not for this: "Click the file numbers for home addy, tele, and scanned paperwork".

So you are actually try to defend undefensible.

Also,

There is a long tradition of boycotting people who support groups you disagree with

There is also a long tradition of killing people who support groups you disagree with.

So be a dear and tell me where can I get the list of those who boycot "people who support groups you disagree with", please.

#66 Unsalted Cracker, if I may take the liberty-

My questions to the boycotters: What are you going to put in the tank of your car to get the engine to run? What are you going to drive, for that matter?

Who needs oil? We ride the bus!

I too am moved to donate to the RNC.

#68 norar 12/18/2003 12:39PM PST

#63

You could have a case if not for this: "Click the file numbers for home addy, tele, and scanned paperwork".

that is inescusable social security had to take down access to your private info via the web due to abuses this can be considered abuse if any of these people get threats or harmed someone care to forward the page to the proper authorities

#71 jimmytheclaw

You are right, and the guy in #63 is trying to defend undefensible, because the post on the Indymedia site clear calls for "punishing" Republican supporters.

All the time somebody threatens people for their political standing, this somebody is a fascist, and it looks like #63 is happy to defend fascists all the time they support democratic party. Sad.

Imagine the screams, horror, lawsuits, and nonstop media coverage of right wing hate sites if a Republican site did this to Democrat donors.

I should have sneer-quoted "right wing hate sites", of course.

i just read the comments one of my favorites is this one

A list to know where to spend your money 18.Dec.2003 11:29

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Right Brain

Good, now we have a list of like minded people to patronize: people who support a president who is bringing democracy to the Middle East for the first time in their history, over 200 magazines and newspapers have already sprung up, first free press in the Middle East. A President who ended the thirty year horrorshow of Saddam Hussein. A President whose economic policies have brought about the highest growth in over 20 years. An administration who is giving $15,000,000,000. to Carribean and African organizations that are working to stop the horrible HIV epidemic in undeveloped countries. Finally we have some leadership that intellectuals can get behind.

followed by this one

Lost another one 18.Dec.2003 10:38

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democrat at heart

I used to be firmly in the democratic camp, often voting straight down the line. Since the Bush election (which I opposed), I have witnessed far too much of this insane and facist behavior by suppossed "liberals", especially at the various Indymedia sites.

Well congrats, you have converted another one. The left in America has become far more frightening then the right ever was and I no longer want anything to do with people who would publish the NAMES, ADDRESSES, and PHONE NUMBERS of people who did nothing other then legally donate to a politcal party.

The one who did it and those who applaud it are border-line facists and if you don't see that, then you are ignorant as well.

Goodbye and good luck (you are gonna need it).

looks like they are cutting there on throat again

Nice, jimmytheclaw.

This isn't unprecedented in Oregon- sometime in May, one of the Portland newspapers published the names, addresses and home phone numbers of local Humvee owners. How exactly is that "journalism"?

#17 gymnast -- "Lose the 2nd amendment and the whole farm will be gone as well as the country in which it resides."

It's the one amendment upon which all the remaining amendments constituting the Bill of Rights rests. That is why the Democrats and the liberal jugdges that they appoint are so interested stripping it away.

As the bumpersticker says: "Fear the government that fears your firearm." If anyone thinks that the Dems are beyond outrageous abuses of the US Army and the massive political army of armed federal agents against US Citizens, look at Waco along with the coverup of that Clinton inspired and Reno directed mass murder that commenced within minutes of the crime. Ashcroft is a pussycat compared to Reno.

What's interesting to me is the way the left is locked into an accelerating circle-jerk of self-congratulation that only escalates their obnoxious behavior. Anyone who even offers mild criticism is attacked as a rabid right-winger, and so there is no check on their behavior as it spins more and more out of control.

And as the left goes further and further into the land of pink tanks and tinfoil berets, they draw the rest of their affiliated parties with them.

It's like watching an orgy of drug-addled, angry, unemployable people feeding each other dingleberries and calling them smart pills.

Am I missing something? Not only were there no phone numbers on the list, but there were no street addresses, either, just names followed by city, state, and zip code. This wouldn't be enough to enable someone send hate mail to a Bush donor or harass them at their house.

#77 soy_yanqui

I bet these things are done by the same people who decry Patriot Act's potential intrussion of privacy.

#66 & 69

Y'know this reminds me of an idea that's lurked in the back o' me noggin' the past few years: need to invent a rig that'll capture the putridity these gasbags produce in order to fuel the bus.

I envision each LLL bus trip'll need a transit attendant to intruct the moonbats how to properly fit their gas-collecting masks.

Sorry, I was wrong about the home address information in #80. Please ignore that comment.

Evidence of harassment presented to Seattle Ethics and Election Commission by the Freedom Socialist Party, in an application for exemption from donor disclosure laws. They later got their exempotion in federal court.

There is a huge list of "harassment" incidents in this document. You can judge for yourself how many of them constitute harassment, but they include:

attempt by a suspected police informant to infiltrate the organizing meeting for a protest against the Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit (LEIU) of which the FSP was one of the prime sponsors (May, 2003, Nichol Declaration, Exhibit 4);

Yes, that is an attempt by a suspected police informant to infiltrate a meeting, and that made the top of the list.

a massive espionage campaign against "pinko," anti-apartheid, Arab and other groups, including the FSP, Radical Women and United Front Against Fascism, carried out by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in conjunction with the FBI and police departments in Seattle and throughout the country, which lasted from the 1970s through the present (Hoddersen declaration, Exhibit 6);

(You had to be wearing a beret made out of Reynold's Wrap to notice this).

e-mail response to FSP website, "Go live in a Socialist nation if you don't like it here. You are obviously part of the "Nature of Evil" in the world." (April, 2003, Noble declaration, Exhibit 10);

defacing of a "No Blood for Oil" sign in front of Portland FSP leader Adrienne Weller's home, followed by ripping it up when it was re-displayed (April, 2003, Weller declaration, Exhibit 8);

unsolicited Playboy subscription sent to RW Organizer Anne Slater (fall, 1998, Slater declaration, Exhibit 13)

Building managers for the FSP and Radical Women offices in Seattle and Portland have had difficulty obtaining insurance at reasonable market rates. (Barnes declaration, Exhibit 12 and Sardo declaration, Exhibit 11);

Anonymous donor to FSP includes a note with $10 bill stating, "Watch out for the FBI !!!" (April, 2003, Nichol declaration, Exhibit 4);

And a laundry list of threatening and obscene phone calls (any Junior High School principal in the country could come up with one just as long). Missing is any evidence that an organization coordinated or encouraged a campaign of harassment (just the idiot-leftist assumption that it's all being done by the FBI, the ADL, "police", etc.).

If there is such a thing as equal protection under the law, and the same rules of "evidence" apply to everyone, then it seems to me that this Indymedia article is prima facie evidence of harassment of individuals because they support George Bush.

By that token, the Bush Campaign should be granted a partial exemption to FEC donor disclosure laws, and to any Washington and Oregon state or municipal laws.

#79
The thing that really torques me is that we have to waster every fourth year fighting off stupidity instead of really critiquing our representatives' performance. PLEASE Dems reform thineselves, for the sake of the country!

#78 Stop Hillary

You reminded me: "... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." - C.S. Lewis

V the K,

It's like watching an orgy of drug-addled, angry, unemployable people feeding each other dingleberries and calling them smart pills.

Har!

you should repost that on nazimedia!

Republicans are Eeevil!

All republicans are liars. We need to pull some ELF type activism on these Bush/Cheney donors businesses. Don't expect to get the truth from the corporate media. The BFEE definately controls them. For those of u sheeps and freepers you need to read from a man named Norm Chompsky. The world hates the USA because of what the CIA did to Allenday in Chili. Peace loving muslims hate u because of what USA did in Iran in 1953. Israel=Nazi! Bush=Hitler! Cheney=Goering! Asscroft=Gerbels! No blood for oil! Shrub lied people died! Hate is not a family value! Vote Kusinich in 2004!
Where's my bong?

"My immitation of a Republican: Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me!" - Michael Moore

/Typical IMC or DU poster. Misspellings and tag line added for authenticity.

OT: But this seemed to be the thread that is most suitable.

It is an interview of Farrakhan

[Link: www.finalcall.com...]

A must read. Some quotes to whet your appetite

"Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own."

And many more absolute gems.
LF still tries to push the agenda that Whites were responsible for slavery. The Muslim Arabs had first call on that and continued slavery till they were forced to abandon it by Britain.

you should repost that on nazimedia!

Laws, no... but, instead of "LLL", I will henceforth refer to them as the "Dingleberry Left,"... and we'll know.

Charles: Please delete post # 90

V the K-LOL! Seconded.

BTW - There is more than one thread on this at Portland Indymedia, this one from 12-12 has lots of information about mailing feces to people:

So, wait, it might be LEGAL to mail Bush donors dog shit? 14.Dec.2003 00:28
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GPFX

lololololololoololololol

Ok, if this is legal, is anyone ballsy enough to buy a big pack of those sandwhich-size disposable tupperware tubs, slap their return address on it and stuff them in the mail? Near as I can tell, there are at least 800 Bush donors on this list in the city of Portland alone though, so that's an awful lot of postage, and that does not even nclude Lake Oswego people. . .

Note that the supply of postage and tupperware is a problem, but apparently plenty of excrement is available.

#15

"Nazi" is a term most commonly used by the left to describe those of us who are "conservatives". As for killing large groups of people, there is plenty of evidence. Just because it's not in the USA does not mean it's valid. For example, they think we should have left Saddam in power. He was killing not thousands, but hundres of thousands of people.

Sure, the Right side is "promoting" as it were, the death of people, like bin Laden, and Al Queda followers and such, but our militaries targets are generally people who make a living out of killing innocent people.

The left has all sorts of stupid reasons and excuses as to why conservatives are "nazi's", but I find that a number of them have never really studied what the Nazi's did in Germany.

An example would be one of the Nazi's last ditch efforts to prevent jews from going free. They put them all in a barn, locked the doors, and burned it down. They stood outside and shot anyone that managed to get out.

So, considering the lefts support for Saddam, and Stahlin and other 'peaceful' people, who really follows the ways of Hitler?

Heh, heh...a bush donor...heh, heh,heh.

i made a post about this using a different Indymedia post. The same guy posted more names, and there's a whole nother set of comments under it, if you want to go there and express your opinion.

Beavis , don't make me smack you.

I believe you misunderstand me.

I don't thing this is a good thing any more than I think burning the flag is a good thing but I also think it can't be something restricted.

If a business makes a large donation to a political party this is recorded and is often made public, people including myself have avoided business that do so, for expample I have avoided doing business with sponcers of NPR due to the incredible bias against Israel.

If a person actually uses this information in a harrassing way then they should be gone after using every tool in the legal arsenal.

Public info is public info, here at LGF often Trolls seethe at our postings and comments, I suspect not so much because of what is said but because Charles shows what some would perfer to hide.

Granted a person giving money to the president may not want to make it public i.e. Inherit the Wind

Got no opinion sir, opinions are bad for business.

however this is a public act, just as the posting of our friends on Indymedia is also a public act.

The best solution to this is to frankly call them on it, make the local media take note that people on the left are trying to make hay on this stuff.

This would involve the risk of more people seeing the list but then again most of the left are all talk anyway.

It is in my opinion very dangerous to restrict public info without an actual cause. We have more to fear from our own paranoia then from these idiots.

If anything DOES happen then not only can the harasser be gone after but Indyamedia can also. That is the time to act, If there is reason to believe the poster of the data is a dangerous person then he can be gone after at once.

Re: #90

For those of you who are wondering, this is an example of a typically witless Slashdot Troll (lunachioptera linux) demonstrating the Slashdot trolling phenomenon. Everybody pretend to be suitably impressed or you will damage its fragile ego boundaries.

To the Indymedia fascists:

I contributed.

My name may be on that list.

I say let them visit me. But they better keep it peaceful and non-trheatening.

Beware: Colorado has a "Make My Day" law, and I am quite experienced and handy with my personal firearm of choice under stress - I have plenty of training and experience. I hit the 9 ring if I'm inside 25 meters. And a government .40 S&W isnt going to leave much of your head's contents in place.

I have killed in defense of my country - neither proud nor ashamed, just stating a fact that I have to live with. Comes with the territory of being a soldier back in the day.

So, come visit my, you fascist little bastards. If you want to threaten me, I will defend myself to the fullest extent of the law. Which, in this state, may end up costing you your life if you behave as badly in person as you do online.

Or you can just behave and be civil, and have no worries at all.

Myself, I choose the latter - I dont go hunting for trouble, but will handle it if it comes to me. Maybe if you had real experience in life and death, you would choose to do the same.

I updated my post with some links to comments in this thread.

#100

I can see your point in some areas, but by the same action, you end up with what we pretty much have today in the way our police force must handle certain siuations.

Basically, the "suspected" criminal has to shoot his gun enough times for an officer to logically determine that the criminal is indeed trying to hit him (the officer) before he has the right to shoot back. After all, just ask the Left, until you've been hit in the chest, you need to realize that it might only be a wallet the guy is reaching for.

Same problem applies here. Do you wait for the act of violence to take place, and let the famlies suffer, or do you take action to protect the people. This list posted by itself isn't an issue, however allowing people to post the list and activly solicit violence against the people on the list should be acted against.

If a large boulder poised on the edge of a cliff threatens to roll down the hill and crush a small group of kindergardeners on a field trip. Do you wait till the boulder is rolling before taking action?

Hmm, are you still a conservative but just not a Republican, Rayra?

#107 Rayra-hmm, somehow I missed that whole story. I'd like to see that list, I'm sure I've unwittingly been subsidizing some gun grabbers' activities.

#104

I understand your concern and agree it is a risk.

But I think it is a risk that can be taken particularly since it is now public knowledge that such a list has been compiled and that there are people watching.

These are people who are afraid of public knowledge of what they do thus I very much doubt they will act.

Lets consider this, if there is even a series of crank calls then there is the potential for a suit, against Indy and co, this is something these people don't want, rats never like the light of day.

Looks like they deleted all the counter-responses.

#114

They indeed deleted not only all the latest counter responses, but also the calls to sending Bush donors feces and etc.

Like I said scared of the light of day

#114 Ms. Andi 12/18

Looks like they deleted all the counter-responses.

Imagine my surprise.

If someone were so inclined, a list of all democratic and third party donors could be posted and the same tactics used. But, my bet is nobody in the GOP would stoop to that kind of behavior. Let's just be thankful they can't prevent anyone from voting, although I'm sure they wish they could.

JerryC (#118)

But, my bet is nobody in the GOP would stoop to that kind of behavior.

That's because they're too busy working and living and raising their families to think about the crap that the loons at Nazimedia obsess about.

Was out for the day, so had to catch up on the blog...

I think maybe I could add a very mild comment...it is not illegal to decline to do business with someone who has professed a belief in a different political party...really dumb, yes, but not illegal. I can refuse to donate to NPR or patronize stores whose owner is left-of-center and says he's proud of it. If that means I spend more $$ to drive and put my cash elsewhere, well that is a personal decision. And the the other party can do the same. As long as it stays in that plane, well that's life.

What is so hideously dangerous is the apparent lack of a barrier between that way of dealing with your beliefes and what the Indymedia alleges to be the proper action (crossing over to illegal things) AND -- more ominously -- the justification that it is correct thing to do because the other side has no claim to proper treatment because they, as a class, have acted in some way at odds with the beliefs of the holder -- whether crimes or not. Being Jewish was enough of a crime for the Brownshirts. Being a Republican party supporter is enough for the Indymedia crowd (Enron! Texas! )

At the bottom of that slipperly slope lies Robespierre, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

Now, I must save energy and my dim facilities for creative writing for another thread...should be one along shortly.

I guarantee that those posts (which I also saw) were deleted when the Nazimedia administrators saw a large number of referrals coming from LGF.

What is so hideously dangerous is the apparent lack of a barrier between that way of dealing with your beliefes and what the Indymedia alleges to be the proper action (crossing over to illegal things) AND -- more ominously -- the justification that it is correct thing to do because the other side has no claim to proper treatment because they, as a class, have acted in some way at odds with the beliefs of the holder -- whether crimes or not. Being Jewish was enough of a crime for the Brownshirts. Being a Republican party supporter is enough for the Indymedia crowd (Enron! Texas! )

Absolutely right. What they are doing is the violation of a right so basic that it was included in the body of the Constitution, even before the Bill of Rights. I refer to the prohibition of Bills of Attainder, which in effect make it illegal to be a certain person. (Think Outlaw Robyn Hoode.) If a person is to be punished, it should be for what he had done, not who he is. The LLL continually fails to make this distinction.

Thank you, Ernie G. I appreciate your comments.

Cripes, I need to use that preview button to brush up on my spelling. " beliefes" I typed out... Those nuns in grade school would whack my knuckles with a ruler if they knew how many people would see such errors...
WHACK!! I am sorry Sister Angelica! (That's right, a beautiful name attached to a hideous old woman with breath like the bottom of a bird cage and a disposition to match...)

Maybe Charles should add a spellchecker...

Ah no, that would spoil the fun!

#114,115,117

teaches me not to post long posts on nazi boards again, what a waste of time... these fuckers. There was nothing wrong with mine other than to educate the idiots as to why doctors are donating money to GOP causes.

Again, what a waste of time and effort.

#123 Roll-aid

Spell checkers? Don't worry, I just checked and there are 590 on line and at your service.

As they amble toward Bolshevik tactics they imply, by posting this information, a veiled threat. Maybe somebody might start calling and harassing the people on the list, is the threat behind the publication.

But I wonder, is this a game they really want to play? Have they thought it through? Chances are pretty good that in mostly rural Oregon, most Bush donors are well armed folk, probably with dogs too. And unlike the average indymedia goon, they're probably not f***ed up on drugs and therefore have their wits about them when a stranger comes calling. If they want to play the "expose and intimidate the donors" game, they could end up getting some of their more foolish members very badly hurt.
Caller ID protects the phone lines.
Mail can be swept for fingerprints and sent to the FBI.
Sure it's awful that things have sunk to this level, but if the indymedia kids think things will be better for them if the gloves are off, well then they are even more delusional than we thought.

Roll-aid:

... it is not illegal to decline to do business with someone who has professed a belief in a different political party...really dumb, yes, but not illegal. I can refuse to donate to NPR or patronize stores whose owner is left-of-center and says he's proud of it.

But those are two different things: It's one thing to refuse to listen to Rush Limbaugh, it's another to penalize your neighbor somehow just because he does.

The point is, what business is it of anyone to know your name just because you gave $500 to a political party - any political party? What public interest is advanced by this sacrifice of privacy?

You could argue that very substantial contributions - of the kind that get you invited to the White House - should be public. You can also reasonably argue that lobbyists, PACs, and such must make their contributions public. But the only use for lists like the one Indymedia posted is to encourage sick boys and girls to act out their sociopathic fantasies.

first time here. . . linked to the IMC and found this: Revenge. . .

figured i would lay my 'egg', wrote my thoughts, and a few hours later they were GONE. . . . only a response is left. . . wow, can't believe little-ol-me was actually censored!

these people give me the SERIOUS CREEPS! i fear 'Kirsten' will be in my nightmares tonight.

Jonathan

#128 JustAnotherJon

these people give me the SERIOUS CREEPS! i fear 'Kirsten' will be in my nightmares tonight.

LOL Jonathan, lucky you did not get to 'unconvinced law student' (two post below Kirsten): "First, I disagree that educational opportunities should be dispensed by merit...". Grrr ...

I kept my reply terse, so I used only fragments of speech by the Terminator in the first movie

Nice night for a walk.

Sarah Connor. Where is she?

Give me your address there.

F*ck you, *ssh*l*.

Get out.

(I didn't blot out the vowels in nazimedia, but that's because LGF is a classier establishment)

#127 Glen W.

Well, yes you have a good point. Why, exactly, do we make public donors names? (and, it seems make some exceptions as have been thrashed about in this very thread). Every attempt to "clean up the system" or "level the playing field" or "get dirty money out of politics" has failed dismally.

Dean at least has shown that is may be much better to get $10 from 20 million people than $2million from a 100 people. The Internet, by removing friction from financial transactions, has once again turned the old order on its head.

The whole business of federal intervention in the election funding process has been a morass -- all in the interest of the public good -- with the participants, each and every one from left to right finding their own special loophole or wiggle room.

/endpostingtothread

#131 -

The reason to keep donors' names public, I think, is because it's the best way to track if the Chinese Communist Party or the Saudis have decided to illegally back an American presidental candidate, and are funneling the money through front-people (remember Al Gore and the Buddhist nuns?).

That being said, it should be illegal to use these lists for harassment purposes. (Also, if Republicans have to publicly report their contributions, so should the Socialist Workers - no free pass for communists.)

#61 Unsalted Cracker

Yeah, you're right.

With Condi Rice in a position of being a powerful advisor and Colin Powel in his very presigious and powerful position, no one with a single working brain cell could even begin the thought that GWB is a racist or sexist.

I think part of my problem with the American left is that I grew up in Canada, and Canadian politics, while still politics, is much more earnest and civil than American politics (Quebec being an exception).

I just wasn't ready for the way American leftists consider their political opponents enemies nor was I ready for the dishonesty, hatred, closed mindedness, openness to foriegn propaganda and frank treason...

Not that America's right is immune. My feelings about Clinton's dick lynching are similar, and in my mind helped to set up the current crazyness... Though Iran-Contra hearings and Watergate hearing probably set us up for cum-gate. The handling of the Florida election results was also completely classless...

So I'd say a pox on both houses except that right now, miraculously, GW Bush picked a middle east/terrorism policy that actually has a chance of working while the democrats are willing to sell us out to the UN of all useless organizations!!!

So if I want to see America protected, civilization continue - no Islamist holocaust in the coming century - and liberal values promoted in the Middle East, I have no choice but to vote for Bush.

Meanwhile the American left is busy jerking off to posters of Saddam Insane, Jaques Chirac, and Yasser Splody. I may be sick.

Of course we remember what happened to the Brownshirts:

By 1933 Hitler had become Chancellor. The post he wanted was President. There was one thing blocking his way - The SA or Brownshirts.

The Brownshirts were Hitler's thugs who had helped him get to his position as Chancellor. They would beat up any opponents, smash up Communist Party meetings and generally make sure the path was smooth for Hitler.

They were led by a man called Ernst Rohm. Rohm was beginning to worry Hitler. He was starting to question some of Hitler's ideas and looked like he could be a challenge to his leadership.

The figure of Ernst Rohm was a real worry to Hitler.

There was another problem with the SA, the German army (Reichwehr) were very suspicious of them. They thought Hitler may not be able to control the SA.

Hitler needed to act. He now used his new force, the Blackshirts (SS) to clear or purge the SA. On the night of 30th June 1934 the leaders of the SA ; several hundred SA members were shot.

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#67 Glen Wishard (Re: Soc Workers Party)

As children, their mothers tied pork chops around their necks so the dog would play with them

Oh my! That's funny.

Anyone else notice how this is basically the worst of Mcarthyism?