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Air France Flight Intercepted?

Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 6:44:59 pm PST

LGF reader Shiplord Kirel relays some interesting info from his scanner:

If you’re in California and have a scanner, tune to 271.0 Mhz.
NORAD and FAA radio traffic indicates that NORAD intercepted Air France flight 68 over the US earlier this evening and has escorted it across the country.
No media coverage that I can find.
This is the same Paris to LA Air France flight that was grounded last week as an anti-terrorist precaution.
AF 68 on final to LAX right now, F-16s sticking close.

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evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:47:31pm

Anyone that knows where to listen to a scanner online, help!

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:47:38pm

Frogs thought they could sneak one past us, eh?

zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:49:37pm

Oy.

wordwarp Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:50:17pm

Is there any real question that France is our enemy?

Still looking for an on-line scanner feed....

Laurence Simon Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:53:05pm

Why are we allowing foreign carriers to fly over our airspace? We should limit them to coastal airports and make the Islamic terrorists switch to American carriers, dammit. You know, as they traditionally have used.

Thom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:54:23pm

I thought military channels were verboten to scanners?

Perhaps we'll be seeing more of this until the armed air marshalls on international flights idea is fully implemented?

Del Simmons Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:54:53pm

Laurence, because some people want to fly non-stop.

Has anyone seen coverage of this on any TV channel or other news site?

wordwarp Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:55:07pm

looking through these...

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:56:29pm

Is this legit?

Maui Girl Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:56:48pm

Maybe the French don't believe we would shoot their airliner down if we had to.

When is it's estimated time of arrival in LA?

Maui Girl Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:58:55pm

We won't get any media coverage until the plane has either landed or gets shot down. Maybe we won't get any coverage at all if nothing exciting has happened. I rather believe the latter.

Darleen Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:59:09pm

OT but Idiotmedia is up to their usual shennigans..this time going after the US military

[Link: dc.indymedia.org...]

appalling

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 4:59:12pm

Ed Moran, apparently Free Republic is carrying a similar story, so I think it's legit if we got two sources now.
Plus, I believe Shiplord Kirel.

josh Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:00:05pm

hey I posted before Shiplord Kirel!!

Love me! Love me!

Bubbaman Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:01:38pm

If true, this could be quite damning. I wouldn't be surprised if the frogs were exporting a bunch of jihad is along with their wine.

rabidfox Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:04:37pm

Why are we assuming that the French are compliciant? Granted that they weren't terribly cooperative last week, but it's not to their advantage to try to slip one of their planes across US airspace -- actually could get them kicked out of the the US entirely. IF something is going on, it's probably not something they wanted to happen. Probably one of their capains either hit the wrong code or didn't respond "right" to an air traffic controller. Hopefully.

GT Charlie Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:06:27pm

Can't find the Free Republic link. Anybody got it?

There's nothing at af.mil, norad.mil or defenselink.mil. I don't think those guys do news flashes, which is a pity.

This sounds exciting. Maybe we'll get to kick some more butt .

GTC (loaded and locked)

Maui Girl Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:06:37pm

#15 Bubbaman

Jihadis and champagne for New Year's Eve. Whoopee! Break out the fireworks!

jeremiah Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:07:51pm

from Air France website
Air France Flight 68 info:

Departs Charles De Galle 1:35 pm
terminal 2e

Arrives Los Angeles International 4:05 pm
terminal 5

Comments (on Air France website)
Flight AF068 has been delayed as a safety precaution.

Comments (mine)
Should have landed 3 hours ago, but I don't know if 4:05 was the scheduled arrival or the actual arrival

viper151 Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:08:11pm

look here for online scanner
i got SOCAL inbound on now
[Link: www.lowapproach.com...]

Lewis Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:08:51pm

WTF?!?!

Oh, and while certainly, I've crossed France off our 'allies' list, I don't think they've made my 'enemies' list either.

They're more like on my 'pain in the ass obstructionist' list.

You kids are wacky on the junk, all hopped up on goofballs ...

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:09:59pm

josh, lol. We love you too.

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:10:22pm

viper151, you rule. Thanks!

Thom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:11:09pm

#20 viper151

Ack!

Server has reached its capacity and can serve no more streams. Please try again later.

Good find, though!

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:13:44pm

Try the mp3 feed, Thom. It's working fine for me.

GT Charlie Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:15:05pm

#20 viper151 12/30/2003 07:08PM PST

look here for online scanner

Got it! So far nothing. Just normal inbound traffic.

GTC

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:15:07pm

Plane landed w/o incident.

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:19:12pm

Thanks, Ed. I was wondering if we were too late to the party by now or not.

Cooper for President Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:19:13pm

Lewis:

Yes we are hopped up on goofballs....
Little Green Goofballs, that is.

I agree that France isn't necessarily complicit (if something has even happened). However, by not helping, they've sure revealed themselves as the "weak link" in the WOT (regardless of what's happened tonight).

Now back to the green ones...

Maui Girl Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:19:53pm

#27 Ed Moran: etc.

That's good news. Now perhaps it's a matter of who was on the plane that caused all the precautionary steps.

I think we need to require visas for anyone entering this country from another, even Canada and Mexico.

Andrew B. Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:21:34pm

that was anti-climatic...

I need a cigarette....

Andrew B.

ploome Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:22:19pm

more from Air France

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Darleen Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:23:41pm

I'm glad to hear the plane landed safely, but does that mean this will not get covered in major media?

What with all the fingerpointing by Dean that GW is "weak" on terrorism?

How often do F-16s escort commercial flights????

Thom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:27:53pm

#25 evariste

Awesome. What would a webtard like me do w/out peoples like you?

I just clicked the first socal approach link and promptly surrendered.

Ich bin nicht französisch. I swear!

Maui Girl Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:28:28pm

#32

Why am I shaking my head? Air France hires thugs as security personnel. Typical idiotic move by the French. They're not only stupid, they're dangerous to the rest of the world!

And I am sure the world thinks the US was being overly cautious about those cancelled flights last week. It's scary to think what's been going on since 9/11 via Air France. Yikes!

Bubbaman Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:30:38pm

Could it be the French airforce on a bombing run¿ Wouldn't put it past these douche bags. Vivre lá douche•••••

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:30:50pm

Thom-lol, I ain't that special. I just won't install evil realplayer on any of my machines, so the only option that I tried was the one that worked :-)

hcq Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:31:02pm

Fox reporting dead stowaway found on Heathrow/JFK flight.

Dom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:32:26pm

Maybe the deal is America can escort French flights but if nothing happens the French can go on selling grenades in Duty Free and the media don say nuddin.

Lewis: Little Green Goofball Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:36:40pm

Fox reporting dead stowaway found on Heathrow/JFK flight.

Hrmmm?

Jihadi wannabe in the cargo hold?

Damnit, I need DETAILS while I sit on my ass and drink beer. Garcon!

hcq Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:38:22pm

Sorry, that's all there was on the dead stowaway: "Dead stowaway". What a tease that Greta is.

Stay tuned :)

Thom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:38:47pm

#36 Bubbaman

The French air force? If it's anything like the French nuclear fleet, I'm surprised the propellors still work.

#37 evariste

What's the deal with real player? I use {a firewall beginning with Z} and it never connects to the internet w/out my approval.

jimmytheclaw Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:42:32pm

#40 Lewis: Little Green Goofball 12/30/2003 07:36PM PST

i posted that a few threads back

Shiplord Kirel Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:42:41pm

Here is the Free Republic string, as, indeed, first posted by Josh.

The Freepers are always right on top of breaking news, possibly because there are so many of them.

The Freeper guy was listening in to 2 F-16s that were taking a handoff from 2 other F-16s near Shafter, California.
The first two apparently made the original interception as soon as the flight crossed from Canada.
The controllers' call-sign "Bigfoot" is McChord AFB WA and it controlled the entire interception, with apparently a lot of input from the FAA.
It is possible that the Canadian Forces had been tracking it as well, but there is no news of a handoff from them, and I didn't hear it.

It's quite legal to eavesdrop on military radio, since there is no way to prevent it, but doing so with the intention of acquiring classified knowledge, or as part of an effort to reveal such knowledge, is a serious violation.
This is usually taken care of by various forms of cryptography, so you can't learn anything you aren't supposed to.
Transmitting on military frequencies will land you in front of a Federal Magistrate in no time, and the military is a lot better than, say, the Cable TV folks at pinpointing violators.

GT Charlie Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:43:01pm

OT. Drudgereport.

NYT's Safire Predicts 'Major Terror Attack In United States' By Election...

What would a NYT op/ed writer know about the possibility of terrorist attacks? I mean, is he protecting his sources or is he going to pull it off personally? WTF?

GTC

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:45:47pm

Zonealarm is pretty good, I like Agnitum Outpost better. Realplayer is evil because I hate their interface, I hate the intrusive behavior (trying to grab file associations especially) and I hate how hard it was to uninstall the last two times I downloaded it just to use it on one thing. It's garbage imo. Especially since I also don't have a lot of respect for their format. Por ejemple: If you try and watch streaming news from most of the major sites, it's usually realplayer and many of them want to charge you for it or make you register. Instead if you go to MSNBC, the (windows media player) streams are free, and watching similar bit rates (ie a 256k .wma vs a 256k .ra) the quality is vastly higher on wma. So I just can't justify polluting my machine with it. If I absolutely must see or hear a realplayer stream, I'll put it on a saved VMware virtual machine and then when I'm done watching whatever, reset the vmx to its original state.

Kimberly Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:46:18pm

Hey, the Freepers have been talking about it all afternoon...

Freeper Forum on the incident

They also say the plane landed without incident, and at least one person claimed that our Air Force has been doing this with ALL Air France flights, which would serve them right.

Haven't read all 750 comments yet, though....

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:47:31pm

750? Is that a standard number of comments? Wow.

Thom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:50:19pm

evariste - tankee.

Kimberly Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:50:20pm

#45 - What, is Safire now joining hands with the tinfoil-hat brigade and predicting that Dubya will instigate another "phony" terrorist attack to help his election chances? If he said that, he would not only be insane, but unoriginal.

Or is it that he believes Dubya's policies are so wrong-headed that all those Who Hate Us will continue to hate us and be forced to demonstrate that, because, as we all know, these oppressed peoples have no control over their behavior?

Hard to tell what these sorts of "predictions" really mean, in terms of biases on the part of the predictor...

hcq Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:51:58pm

Dumb question, but just how close do those "escort" planes fly? Maybe I'm fantasizing, but I kind of like the idea of a bunch of Air France passengers looking out the window and seeing Our Guys waving howdy, so to speak - kind of an in-flight "CofC sends his regards."

Kimberly Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:52:17pm

evariste - I skipped to the last page, and believe me when I say the quality of the posts deteriorates dramatically by #700 or so, both in terms of clarity and in relation to the original posting.

Now, on here, that never happens. Right?

hcq Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:53:13pm

duh. "CinC". Sheesh.

Kimberly Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:53:48pm

#51 - I'd LOVE to wave hi to one of those pilots, if it weren't for the fact that the appearance of them outside my window probably meant I was in deep doo-doo. If they were flying close enough so that I could see them, that is.

Right Wing Conspirator Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:57:48pm

Looks like a picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

justdanny Tue, Dec 30, 2003 5:58:14pm

Just love my BC-200 XLT scanner. I am a Kentuckian, its a required part of ones outfit here.

Purchased it just prior to the Fed ban on scanners picking up loads of Federal and private freqs.

If you know where to tune, only encrypted stuff is beyond a good scanners reach.

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:00:19pm

Kimberly, LOL!

Baldy Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:00:48pm

#55 Right Wing Conspirator - Yes, but does anyone know how to speak jive?

rabidfox Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:02:09pm

That Freeper format is really wierd.

evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:02:47pm

rabidfox-it's annoying, that's why I've never been able to stand reading their comments.

justdanny Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:03:40pm

#58 Baldy

Aight dog . . .

Hows that ?

Kimberly Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:03:55pm

I take it black, like my men.

mbruce Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:05:39pm

And don't call me Shirley.....But ,do you like gladiator movies?

Kimberly Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:05:59pm

The Freeper forums ARE sort of bizarre, more like a chat room with everyone tossing sentences in at once.

But I like the front page which allowed me to find the Air France forum in seconds with the "Latest Posts" link that let me scroll down and see everything that's been posted in any forum. That's a really nice feature.

justdanny Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:07:02pm

Knowoti'msayin ? Knowoti'msayin ? Sup wit dat ?

aaron Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:07:16pm

Given that the original crew of alleged hijackers were all promptly released from French custody, I should hope that all Air France flights are receiving such treatment. Seems to be the only prudent thing to do.

Just stay on your flight path and nobody gets hurt...

Saw this coming days ago:
[Link: www.haganah.org.il...]

zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:12:04pm

Wouldn't this be on the news if it were true? It's not been reported anywhere.

Angie Schultz Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:12:39pm

jeremiah (#19) Air France website (which works crappy on my Netscape), says that Flt 68 is supposed to take off at 1:35pm, land at 4:05pm (both local times, natch). Says it was delayed "as a safety precaution", took off 3:12pm, landed 5:53pm.

ploome Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:14:37pm

66 aaron

what I don't understand, is that ont of the passangers, an (?) Algerian or Tunisian pilot, didn't show up.

He was at his home in either Algeria or Tunisia.

And the French said he wasn;t suspect.

If he had a ticket for the flight, and was supposed to be on it.......how come they located him on another continent?

Right Wing Conspirator Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:17:09pm

#58 Baldy
#1

2 of the most classic scenes in a movie ever. Took me a while to find it, but I have the video link at work.

ytf Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:19:05pm

#51 (hcq):

They try to stay clear of the wake and other turbulence of the "bogie" aircraft, but they can and do fly close enough that the "bogie" pilot can see the lead fighter plane's pilot point emphatically to the ground with his gloved hand--this gesture meaning "follow me down/follow my radio directives, or the guy behind you will break your perfectly nice airplane".

Depending on circumstances, things might not have reached that point if the Air France crew complied with early radio directives.

quark2 Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:23:36pm

@69 ploome

Maybe the ticket holder was missing because he was tipped off, and the missing ticket holder was a 'body double' for the real guy.

ploome Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:26:36pm

72 quark2

could be.......sure seemed odd to me

billhedrick Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:27:00pm

I like my coffee like my women, cold and bitter.

Baldy Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:27:27pm

OT: France, Mexico Put Guards on Flights The headline says "armed", which implies "with guns/bullets" (IMO) but France supposedly using stun guns.

Ger Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:28:55pm

#75 Baldy 12/30/2003 08:27PM PST

OT: France, Mexico Put Guards on Flights The headline says "armed", which implies "with guns/bullets" (IMO) but France supposedly using stun guns.

---

Or perhaps B.O.

quark2 Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:31:37pm

via Instapundit:

Seems like Al Qaeda training videos have been found hidden in a bunker in Iraq. Now I wonder, how did they get there?

Annelid[deleted] Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:35:15pm

Nico Belakhof Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:38:28pm

#77 quark2

Obviously, they were planted by Mossad/CIA in order to justify the US's hegemonic designs on Iraqi oil.

zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:40:30pm

billhedrick (#74)

LOL! Poor thing.

Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:43:13pm

It's a big building with patients.

But that's not important now.

Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:45:08pm

Quark2 -

It's all the fault of Bush the Cowboy. If we hadn't invaded, we wouldn't have drawn in al-Qa'idah.

/moonbat

Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:48:31pm

#51 Hrq -

Kind of like the view from the training flight in Tora Tora Tora.

belize042 Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:50:36pm

No, the white zone is for loading and unloading...

But back to the matter at hand, I can find nothing on this Air France deal. CNN, Fox, AP, KTLA, LA Times websites, all zip. Has anyone found this reported anywhere online yet?

Dom Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:51:54pm

Sorry to anyone who thought I ripped my little grenade gag (#39). I did and then I realised and then I saw all the lines and thought, better get this off my chest before it kills me.

quark2 Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:52:31pm

@79 Nico Belakhof

It won't much matter with the idiotinarians, either way it's a lose/lose situation. These people have become rather tiresome.

Right Wing Conspirator Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:53:08pm

What was his vector, Victor?

Least they weren't going to Fresno.

Fresno. Nobody goes to Fresno.

billhedrick Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:53:56pm

You ever been kicked in the head with an Iron Boot?

Those Crazy Saudis! Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:56:15pm

Leash?

J.D. Tue, Dec 30, 2003 6:59:50pm

#89 ThoseCrazySaudis

Egad! Darth Vader?

belize042 Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:00:39pm

#89 Isn't that the Black Knight from The Holy Grail?

When will the madness end?

J.D. Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:04:21pm

Good going guys!
U.S. Captures 100 Fighters on Afghan-Pakistani Border, AP Says

Doctor Bean Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:04:33pm

That as much as anything else led to my drinking problem.

Greetings, all!

I've clearly been away too long. I've decided to quit my job and give the kids away for medical experiments so I can spend more time at LGF.

PB Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:05:31pm

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

However, the failure of the US to recognize a failed peace plan, and follow it blindly, provides a good lesson when considering the viability of the roadmap.

mbruce Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:06:44pm

There's no reason to become alarmed,and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight.By the way,is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?

tomcat Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:10:31pm

#87 Right Wing Conspirator

Surely you can't be serious.

Gazza Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:16:52pm

F-16: Flt 68 do you copy?
Flt 68: But of course
F-16: Are you in control of the plane?
Flt 68: But of course
F-16: OK Have a good day
Flt 68: Allah Akbar

Right Wing Conspirator Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:28:12pm

#96 tomcat

Of course I am serious. And quit callling me Shirley.

The press and seal lid will keep your food nice and fresh during the monsoon months.

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:33:58pm

Did say yet:

'Its a big building with patients, but thats not important right now"......

????????

100

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:35:34pm

Texas lsot!!!!!!!!!!!

And my boss is a Sooner grad!!!!

And I was laid off in 1998 by a company full of LSU Bayou Bengals!!!!!!!

Arrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

101

Doctor Bean Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:36:57pm

It's a twister! It's a twister!

Ummm....... We're getting a little silly. Quick, someone say something thoughtful and erudite.

102

Doctor Bean Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:38:11pm

#100 Ed Moran
My condolences. I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but it sounds like sports.

103

Voice of the Lurker:Greg Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:41:05pm

Of Course Texas lost...it was a Bowl Game after all.

104

Cooper for President Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:42:15pm

Ok, since this thread has now become completely infected with Airplane references, I have no choice......

.... but to throw in my own.

Good night.

105

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:42:15pm

Hopefully every Air France 747 and Scare Bus is escorted into the US by F-16s or F/A-18 with AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles, perfect for shooting one engine out at a time, to hopefully force a landing w/o civilian casualties.

Story on local news, about local homeowners b!tching about noise from new runway open at IAH, one woman complaining dirt in her pool from arriving jets. I say to Mrs. Moran: "I doubt it". Mrs. Moran say "they used to dump fuel all the time". I say "isn't that for emergencies"?. My wife ( who is fluent in Spanish and English as a Houston native, and fluent in French after 2 years of JH French, 4 years at Aldine Eisenhower and 2 years at The University of Houston) says " they didn't call it "Air Chance" for nothing".

Draw your own conclusions.

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Stop Hillary Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:43:23pm

Please. France is our enemy. They want us to get hit and hit hard while not having to deliver the blow (and sustain the retaliation) themselves. That is the only way the EU can succeed -- at our expense. Chirac, with help from Schroeder, has been engineering this for years. France is the enemy, a mortal enemy. France is part of the terrorist infrastructure. The sooner we understand that and treat the French accordingly, the sooner the threats against this nation will be reduced.

If the Muslims succeed in setting off a nuke here, France along with Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and Pakistan should be targeted for immediate and full nuclear retaliation. Mutually assured destruction worked before and it can work again. Make it France's and Saudi Arabia's problem to go collect up all the terrorists that they have launched. They better be good at it if they want to survive. That's the diplomatic message that needs to be delivered, along with a convincing set of geographical coordinates to underscore the point.

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Voice of the Lurker:Greg Do It Pruitt Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:44:20pm

Accidentally cut my own sobriquet short!

108

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:46:20pm

Charles,

Since
Voice of the Lurker has ( at least apparently) threatened me from the Pacific Time Zone, can you please tell me where he/she/it posts from?

BTW

Lurker

I'm 6' 3'', 270 pounds, I haven't been in a physical confrontation since the Navy, and then, when a guy came at me with a chair I knocked him unconcious with a single punch. Granted, almost 20 years ago, but I'm not a light-weight.

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:48:38pm

My goal is to weigh 230, and have six-pack abs, BTW.

My boss has a house outside San Jose de los Cabos, and says he'll give my wife and I a vacation when I reach that weight.

110

tomcat Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:50:02pm

Fighter Escort?

Oh, I'd say it's just Homeland Security taking precautionary measures to protect US airspace.

111

westtexasjew Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:52:37pm

Well, I guess that UT "lsot" means that they lost.
We start out with Air France weasels, meander over to generic airplane jokes and then somehow get into a horrific carwreck of a Bowl game.
This is sure an eclectic thread!

-- Proud UT Geology and Petroleum Engineering grad -- well, sort of proud

112

AFbrat Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:57:06pm

OK. Something thoughtful and erudite.

113

Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:57:51pm

West Texas Jew....

Take Dr. Caudle, or Lake, or McBride, or Land, or Ekwere Peters?????

Or Dr. Schechter? He was Jewish, and taught in both Chemical and Petroleum Engineering?

How about Dr. Dorfman ( he taught wireline logging interpretation, and died of cancer in 1993) or Dr. Morriss, his replacement?

Do you remember Mohr's Circle? Archies' Law?

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AFbrat Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:58:14pm

Damn. Am I slow, or what?

115

tomcat Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:58:45pm

#98 Right Wing Conspirator

That's a roger, Rodger.

Say Clarence, Do we have a clearence?

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 7:59:32pm

WTJ

Dude, you don't think I watched the Longhorns embarrass themselves w/o benefit of alcoholic libations, do you?

So, excuuuuuuuuuse me, I misspelled lost.

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:03:22pm

BTW, despite the fact that the UT football team again humiliated themselves, anybody notice Richmond McGee, the punter, is studying Petroleum Engineering?

Someday, he'll understand the diffusivity equation, Euler's Constant, and how to solve Second Order Partial Differential Equations.

I'm glad he'll be able to, because I sure as hell can't.

Ed, forgot everything he ever learned in college
(Systems of Linear Differential Equations? You Must Be High!!!!!!)

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Right Wing Conspirator Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:04:51pm

#115 tomcat

LOL. Forgot those.

G'night all.

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tomcat Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:08:50pm

#116 EMAD HHD

Which makes me wonder how much sauce Al Davis and the city of Oakland must have consumed this past season. Must have been record business in the bars.

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Doctor Bean Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:10:36pm

No. That's just what they will be expecting us to do.

#112 AFbrat: thanks. I needed that.

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Baldy Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:10:37pm

Air France had Convicted Killer as Guard "...in a rush to recruit guards, it had taken on disco bouncers, dog handlers ..."

OT: .Stubbs Brothers (little bit of background)
"Neighbors who know James Stubbs described him as a strict Muslim who refused to give Halloween candy to neighborhood children because he believes the holiday has pagan roots. Two years ago, he distributed fliers in the quiet neighborhood to announce his conversion from Christianity to Islam, said two neighbors who asked not to be identified"

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paper(flying)tiger Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:12:55pm

I flew single engine fighters in the Air Force, but this plane has four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.

You already took the good quotes.

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westtexasjew Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:14:35pm

Oh my, Ed, it's deja vue all over again!!

You mean Ben, Larry, Earl, Lynton and the dreaded Nigerian Petrophysicist?

Myron Dorfman was Jewish, from Louisiana and a geologist as well. He was a character. Found the Swan Lake field and retired to UT. Got his PhD in PE at almost 50.
Dr. Schechter was more of a ChemE kind of guy, I recall. But so's Lake..

I don't know Dr. Morriss

It's too bad the Demos don't learn a little geology and PE before they start crying about the tundra..
Being in the oil biz is like being a target these days..

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papertiger Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:18:41pm

[Thinking to himself.] Ted Striker: I've got to concentrate... [his thoughts echo] concentrate... concentrate... I've got to concentrate... concentrate... concentrate... Hello?... hello... hello... Echo... echo... echo... Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota... Mota... Mota...

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:19:07pm

Baldy (#121)

Two years ago, he distributed fliers in the quiet neighborhood to announce his conversion from Christianity to Islam

How bizarre. What kind of person prints up fliers to advertise their religion to the neighbourhood?

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:22:31pm

Dr. Caudles wife ( Teal ) died about two months ago.

Dr. Dorfmann was Jewish? He was really getting interested in the economic feasibilty of geothermal energy from sub-surface salt water from the GOMEX, with a little boost from dissolved hydrocarbon gases.

Did you have Too Cool Mukul? Dr. Hill? Dr. Gray, the drilling guy, or Dr. Chenevault (sp?)?

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papertiger Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:23:29pm

Muslims

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:25:49pm

Did you ever field trip w/ Dr. McBride out to near Bastrop, where he would ask you what you were looking at ( a kaolinite deposit, as it turned out)?

And would then tell you you couldn't tell the difference from your ash and a hole in the ground????

Golly, they had some mega hot geology babes. I actually asked one out once. Oh well.............

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi the Hasemite Howdy Doody Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:31:39pm

Nite Time, Y'all

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westtexasjew Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:33:26pm

Ed,

As a matter of fact, after years of peaceful ignorance, I decided to be a glutton for punishment and enrolled in the remote MS program in PE at UT. I plan to take Dr. Hill's Grad Production and Dr. Chenevert's Grad Drilling course in a couple of weeks.
Talk about masochism!

Listening to the Democrats argue about ANWAR a couple of months ago convinced me that with these schmucks running the country, it's time for a little re-education..

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Mr Pol Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:35:56pm

FYI, about 25% of Air France co-pilots are Arabs and are known to be underqualified. There are also a couple of Arab pilot since mid-2003. My advice: do NOT fly Air France. You're safer with US Air.

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steve miller,IQ higher than a blonde sponge Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:42:43pm

Rumack: You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.
Elaine Dickinson: A hospital? What is it?
Rumack: It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.

----------------

Rumack: Captain, how soon can you land?
Captain Oveur: I can't tell.
Rumack: You can tell me. I'm a doctor.
Captain Oveur: No. I mean I'm just not sure.
Rumack: Well, can't you take a guess?
Captain Oveur: Well, not for another two hours.
Rumack: You can't take a guess for another two hours?

----------------

Rex Kramer: Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Ok, I'll stop now.

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:49:11pm

Here's Caton's post about Air France:

In the last 15 years in France, Arabs have had pilot training for free ('cause they're an oppressed minority, ya know...). And of course, the pilot schools were told those could NOT fail (diversity blah blah compelling interest blah blah). Most of them were hired by Air France and Air Liberté, and they are anything but highly trained.
I, for one, will never, ever fly on a European airline. And you'd better never enter a European airline flight if the pilot or the co-pilot is an Arab.

I'll take his word for it. I trust him.

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House Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:55:06pm

Can we just shoot it down because it's French?

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:56:58pm

steve miller (#132)

LOL!

This entire thread is as nutty as can be.

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jimmytheclaw Tue, Dec 30, 2003 8:57:43pm

#106 Stop Hillary 12/30/2003 09:43PM PST

are you related to bigel that sounds like the bigel option

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:03:43pm

They just said on the news that any planes flying over Vegas tomorrow night will be shot down!

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Rayra[deleted] Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:05:39pm

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jimmytheclaw Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:06:54pm

#138 Rayra 12/30/2003 11:05PM PST

#101 Doctor Bean 12/30/2003 09:36PM PST
Ummm....... We're getting a little silly. Quick, someone say something thoughtful and erudite.

ALBATROSS

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evariste Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:12:32pm

zulubaby-whoah, that's heavy man.

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:20:24pm

I sense a fatwa is on its way ...

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Mr Pol Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:21:24pm

#101 Doctor Bean

Ummm....... We're getting a little silly. Quick, someone say something thoughtful and erudite.

OT: in the seventh century the city of Khaibar was thriving Jewish community to the North of Mecca and Medina. After the Jews had "defended their forts and mansions with signal heroism", the pedophile false prophet had "visited upon his heaten enemy inhuman atrocities" and "by the mass massacre of ... men, women and children" the pedophile false prophet exterminated "completely" two Arabian Jewish tribes (Ben-Zvi, the Exiled).

The consequences of the war were catastrophic. For centuries the Jews of Khaibar had led a life of freedom, peace, labor and trade; now they had to bow under the yoke of slavery and degradation. They had prided themselves on the purity of their family life; now their women and daughter were distributed among and carried away by the conquerors. (Israel Ben Zeev, Jews in Arabia)

An Arab "notable" from Medina, who visited Khaibar afterwards, was quoted by a ninth-century Arab historian:

Before the Moslem occupation, whenever there was a famine in the land, people would go to Khaibar. The Jews always had fruit, and their springs yielded a plentiful supply of water. After the conquest of Khaibar, the Jews were said to design evil schemes against the Moslems. But hunger pressed us to go to their fields. We found the landscape completely changed. We met none of the rich Khaibar landowner, but only destitute farmers everywhere. When we moved to Kuteiba we felt much relieved. (Arab historian Al-Waqidy, cited by Ben-Zvi, the Exiled)

That's a relief: the Arabs haven't gotten worse in the last 1400 years, they always were vermin.

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evariste, Yankee Doody Dondi Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:22:02pm

"Muslims do not allow others to interfere in their affairs, so they should not interfere in others' affairs," Tantawi said.

Hear, hear!

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SecHumanist Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:22:53pm

evariste (46) and Thom (42)

I hear ya on the Real Player thing (but aside from their program sucking, their format is actually quite impressive when encoded properly, but recent Windows encoding has gotten better at a much faster rate than theirs). You may want to try Real Alternative. It plays Real Media in the classic Windows Media Player interface and has worked for everything I've needed it for (like the MEMRI videos).

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:22:54pm

evariste, I'm not a man!

In New York, workers sealed manhole covers and removed mailboxes to guard against any potential bomb attack in Times Square. More than 750,000 revelers were expected to gather under the guard of counter-sniper teams and seven police helicopters.

Armed helicopters were also to prowl the Las Vegas Strip, where 300,000 people were anticipated.

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evariste, Yankee Doody Dondi Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:25:24pm

SecHumanist-I have it and Quicktime Alternative set up, it only ever works for me a quarter of the time on video (never any trouble with audio); I installed iTunes so QTA doesn't even know its file associations any more cuz iTunes came with the full QuickTime, which is actually not that bad these days-I can deal.

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evariste, Yankee Doody Dondi Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:25:45pm

zulubaby-whatever, man.

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:27:50pm

LOL! You're so cute :-)

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evariste, Yankee Doody Dondi Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:29:35pm

SecHumanist-it seems like the trouble with it is that it only supports up to a certain version number of the real format, I don't know why they can't get the codecs working for the missing stuff. I was excited for a few moments when I discovered the Helix project, an open source codebase that Real is now relying on to provide much of the guts of Realplayer as well as something called Helix Producer, but it lacks a Windows player, it's meant to provide support for Unix users and let Real exploit their labor :-)

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evariste, Yankee Doody Dondi Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:32:04pm

zulubaby-My contacts are starting to itch, which is the usual sign that I should take them out, burrow in and snuggle up. Good night, all of you be safe and have a happy new year if I don't talk to you! If I do talk to you, still do that stuff too. :-)

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punslinger Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:34:16pm

I like my women like my coffee:

Tied up in a sack
on the back of a mule
being led by Juan Valdez

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evariste, Yankee Doody Dondi Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:37:16pm

punslinger, LMAO! Beautiful.

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zulubaby Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:38:39pm

Night evariste.

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RF Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:42:12pm

Steve McCroskey: Jacobs, I want to know absolutely everything that's happened up till now.

Jacobs: Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.

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SecHumanist Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:49:32pm

evariste, you have any links to videos that didn't work for you? I admittedly tend to avoid any Real links, but the ones I have come across usually worked for me. Anyway.. you're probably off to sleep, so have a good night (and new year, etc, etc).

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Mike M Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:58:44pm

Was this one used yet?

I want every light you've got, poured onto that field!

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Rayra[deleted] Tue, Dec 30, 2003 9:59:48pm

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Photios Tue, Dec 30, 2003 10:08:05pm

Slightly OT;
Robert Clayton Dean (Wisconsin USA) at Samidata.net reports on the Hidden costs of airport security.

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Rayra[deleted] Tue, Dec 30, 2003 10:12:31pm

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Clayton D. Jones Wed, Dec 31, 2003 1:06:57am

I haven't felt this bad since the Anita Bryant concert.

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Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Wed, Dec 31, 2003 3:07:58am

#121 Baldy -

Yikes! Air France sounds almost as bad as the DC Police!

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Eric Wed, Dec 31, 2003 3:47:49am

Tangent: I'm reading "An Army at Dawn", by Rick Atkinson right now. A big part of the book talks about the French "leaders" in North Africa, and how both selfish, complacent, complicit and incompetent they were. Funny how things never seem to change with these brie snorting weasels. Great Book, well worth picking up.

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OMGWTFBBQ Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:26:31am

I speak jive!

/mornin'

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:45:33am

If you're flying in a 747, how will you ever know if you're pilot is Arab or not?

Although I am proud (sort of) that the Navy's first F-14 pilot was a UT grad, she benefitted from (and ultimately died from) the Navy's efforts to force gender diversity.

During training, she had four major incidents. Male pilots are normally dismissed from pilot training after a second major incident.

More detailed story

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Ralph Kramden Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:46:28am

So I have a question - was this a true story, or was it just a hoax from the unhinged mind of some anonymous Freeper?

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heretic Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:46:32am

I will feel truly awful if something bad/terrible does happen, but the thought crosses my mind that perhaps the White House doesn't *want* the jet conversations to be secret, and what better way to embarrass and humiliate (as in "punish France") than to publicly and overtly take their little paw and escort them to the bathroom every time they enter American airspace.

I'll bet these escort flights have been happening since the cancellations before Christmas, and it's Rumsfield's way of saying, "OK, you let those seven go, so we can't trust you and we'll let the whole world know just how much we don't trust you."

It's also a pretty unsubtle message to future terrorists thinking about boarding an AirFrance flight, once it gets publicized.

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Renna Wed, Dec 31, 2003 5:08:49am

To all you UT grads: Does ol' Yasser make it to many of the alumni functions?

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi Wed, Dec 31, 2003 5:26:12am

For some reason, the University of Texas College of Engineering doesn't seem to mention Chairman Arafat when they are trying to get donations from the alumni.

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi Wed, Dec 31, 2003 5:28:23am

Maybe Arafat didn't go to UT after all....

Arafat returned to Egypt after the Arab defeat to study engineering, deciding against an earlier plan to attend the University of Texas. After getting his degree in 1951, he worked in Egypt for a time, then moved to Kuwait in 1956 to be a public-works engineer, eventually becoming head of his own company.

Fox News Arafart Bio

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Ed Moran:Abu Dondi Wed, Dec 31, 2003 5:32:02am

Joy of Joy

Debka is reporting al Q threatening to nuke NYC on Groundhog Day.

Debka also says Tel Aviv on high alert for suspected suicide bomber(s).

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Renna, Abu Hokie Wed, Dec 31, 2003 5:41:30am

Groundhog Day? Groundhog Day? Did they look on a calendar and pick a "holiday", not realizing that GD is perhaps the most un-holiday holiday we have. I don't even think Penney's has a sale.

Eh, maybe they saw the movie and it's a day they'd like to live over and over

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RIP Ford Wed, Dec 31, 2003 5:47:23am

#169 Ed Moran:Abu Dondi

deciding against an earlier plan to attend the University of Texas

LOL!

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lizzy Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:05:09am

ot
israel police just caught three terrorrist mo- fos in the old central bus station an hour ago,, about meet tgheir virigns at our expense, thus ending our ultra- high -imminent -attack -warning for tel aviv for now.
well , pooooh, my hubby is back form england, we are going out for chinese food in the german colony, than we are going home to get totally paralytic, if we dont find some party pub in the city somewhere .. mikes place is nice but i think its gonna be packed.
a happy and healthy and successful new years to all!!

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Renna Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:09:39am

lizzy, that's the best news I've heard all day. Glad they caught the scum. Sounds like someone deserves a pizza!

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Ed Moran:Abu Code Violet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:10:13am

Actually, from what I understand, based on the Islamic ~~loony~~ lunar calendar and it's floating holidays (in relation to our solar calendar), Groundhog Day 2004 is also the Feast of the Sacrifice, which commemorates Abraham not sacrificing Ishmael. (yes, I know Abraham didn't sacrifice Isaac, but, then again, he didn't sacrifice anybody, did he?)

What will really bite is 5 or 10 years from now, that Eid will fall on Christmas or New Years or Chanukkah and then we'll probably go to Code Lavender or something.

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Ed Moran:Abu Code Violet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:14:10am

BTW, just out of curiosity, does anybody know if the pre-Islamic moon god is related to any of the pagan gods of the Bible, like Ba'al?

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Evariste's Zaide Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:17:36am

#176 Ed Moran
Well, if killing kids is any indicator, she's probably related to Molech.

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billhedrick Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:23:08am

Actually I think Mohammed mis-spoke the sacred words, "Klaatu Barata Ni...."

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tomcat Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:24:34am

Back to airspace defense and homeland security - if they take the cue of incapacitating the crew and/or passengers from the movie, they need one more tool in their fighting arsenal - rancid fish!

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And let's not forget... Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:29:54am

Shana, they bought their tickets; they knew what they were getting in for...

I say, let 'em crash!

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Dom Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:36:58am

Whatever happens they will be able to point out that the world was warned, which apparently means it's George Bush's fault, or yours, or mine, rather than the perpetrators. After all if a man says he will kill everyone and while you headlock him his mate comes along and kills everyone, the question must be asked, why were you headlocking that poor man, and if you are not actually in league with his mate are you not, transcendentally, whatever I want to call you?
/Chomsk

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Flaming Sword Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:48:02am

You tell your dad to try dragging Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

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Throbert McGee Wed, Dec 31, 2003 6:48:11am

#98 Right Wing Conspirator
The press and seal lid will keep your food nice and fresh during the monsoon months.

Har! Elaine's Peace Corps Tupperware Party has always been one of my favorite Airplane moments, but it's one that doesn't get quoted very often -- thanks for the reminder! ("This two-quart Sealz-M-Rite container keeps hot-dog buns fresh for DAYS!")

Mind you, Julie Haggerty's best line is when she deadpans, "I remember how you used to hold me... [pause] And how I used to sit on your face and wriggle."

Airplane was one of the first movies my family ever had on VHS, so I watched it over and over and over as a kid. As the years passed, fewer of the sexual gags went over my head... like the captain's wife having an affair with a horse. ("I'll be back in the morning... there's juice in the fridge if you want." -- Nei-ei-eigh!)

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Ed Moran:Abu Code Violet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:09:49am

Allah may indeed be Ba'al

The data also points in the direction of Hubal being the Arabic for the Hebrew Ha Baal, "the Baal." For instance, F.E. Peters’ statement above regarding Amr ibn Luhayy bringing Hubal from Mesopotamia provides evidence that the idol was a representation of Baal.

Link (New)

Hubal was the chief deity of Mohammad's tribe. People coming back to Mecca from long journeys would circle around his idol in the Ka'aba seven times. Now why does that sound familiar?

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teal marie Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:14:57am

#176 Ed
Arabia's original Allah was Al-Lat part of the female trinity along with Kore or Q're, the Virgin, and Al-Uzza, the Powerful One, the triad known as Manat, the Threefold Moon.

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Ed Moran:Abu Code Violet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:16:38am

Ibn Kathir noted that Muhammad's family worshiped Hubal, with the Oxford Dictionary of Islam stating that Hubal was the Quraysh's patron deity. If Hitti is correct regarding Allah being the Quraysh's' tribal deity then this provides additional proof that Allah was a name for Hubal. Note the following syllogism:
Hubal was the chief deity of the Quraysh.
Allah was the chief deity of the Quraysh.
Therefore, Hubal was Allah in pre-Islamic times.
That the term Allah was used in pre-Islamic times for any pagan deity, suggesting that it is quite possible that Allah was applied to Hubal, is a view held by many scholars and writers:

So now I know. I guess Ba'al gives grief to the world tot his very day.

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Ed Moran:Abu Code Violet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:19:58am

185

The web page I linked to said al Lat was regarded by the Meccans as Big Al's daughter. Allah simply means "The God" in Arabic, and was used to describe any god. The principle god of Mohammad's people, the one Big Mo's grandfather prayed to (and thus was told it was ok to sacrifice 10 camels instead of Big Mo's dad- bummer) was Hubal.

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steve miller,IQ higher than a blonde sponge Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:33:26am

#183 Throbert - yeah, it's hysterical, but I can't show it to my kids yet. There are so many classic moments, but not appropriate to young teenage males.

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teal mine Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:36:29am

Ed,
Allah is the late Islamic masculinization of the Arabian Goddess, Al-Lat or Al-Ilat, the Allatu of the Babylonians - formerly worshipped at the Kaaba in Mecca. "Allah of Islam" was the male transformation of "the primitive lunar diety of Arabia". Her ancient symbol the cresent moon still appears on Islamic flags, even though modern Muslims no longer admit any feminine symbolism with the wholey patriarchal Allah.

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hcq Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:40:56am

Kidn of OT, but here's a little update on the British Air stowaway: Apparently he was a 30-ish black man who climbed into the wheel well of the 747 bound for JFK. So far no word as to whether he climbed in there in Heathrow or whether there was a stop someplace along the way.

This is the second dead wheel-well stowaway in a week. One was found in an American Airlines plane coming from Jamaica on Christmas Eve.

Weird. How dumb do you have to be to stow away in a plane's (unheated) wheel well in December?

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Ed Moran:Abu Code Violet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 7:40:57am

This link , anyway, says that Allah appears to be Hubal, which is from the Hebrew meaning "The Ba'al", and that Hubal appears to be associated with one of several moon gods in Arabia.

As noted, "allah" was used in pre-Islamic Arabia to refer to any god.

The web site has beaucoup references, so I tend to accept it as factual.

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Frank IBC, Abu He Thinks He's Ethel Merman Wed, Dec 31, 2003 8:14:43am

Elaine Dickinson: What's wrong with THAT guy?

Ted Striker: It's Lieutenant Hurwitz. Severe shell-shock. Thinks he's Ethel Merman.

Liuetenant Hurwitz: [singing] You'll be swell, you'll be great! Gonna have the whole world on a plate! Startin' here, startin' now! Honey, everything's comin' up roses...

Ted Striker: War is hell.

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Frank IBC, Abu He Thinks He's Ethel Merman Wed, Dec 31, 2003 8:19:26am

Groundhog Day 2004 is also the Feast of the Sacrifice

Hmmmm....does this mean Muslims will be forced to make Hajj to Punxatawney, Pennsylvania, and make seven loops around the Groundhog hole?

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Throbert McGee Wed, Dec 31, 2003 8:27:24am

Kramer [reading newspaper]: "AIRCRAFT DOOMED"?! What the --

McCroskey: "...both pilots stricken..."

Air Traffic Controller: "...passengers certain to die..."

Johnny: Oh, there's a sale at Penney's!

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piglet Wed, Dec 31, 2003 8:51:03am

I thought Hubel was the guy from "The Way we were."

Men are less sentimental than women. No man has ever seen the movie THE WAY WE WERE twice, voluntarily

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JC Wed, Dec 31, 2003 9:31:49am

AF 68 and two F-16s on short final to LAX.

Runway lights go out. Control tower goes dark. Scanner goes quiet.

Johnny: Just kidding!!!

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Dean Douthat Wed, Dec 31, 2003 10:50:46am

For an in-depth look at Islam as Satanic cult, see:

[Link: www.prophetofdoom.net...]

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onegus Wed, Dec 31, 2003 10:54:47am

What an interresting package of BS to read ! I guess that the incident was caused by nothing much than the actual US paranoia. France is not your enemy, France know how to protect its own soil (after all 9/11 occured in USA, not in France, isn't it ?). France got no lesson or order to receive from US, and especially from this stupid and dangerous administration. So, please, trow out those clowns at the next election and put somebody with a brain in charge, and you'll see everything will be better, friends...

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Dom Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:15:17am

Onegus,

I'm British so I'm not a voter, but to be sure I thought I would spell out, I doubt I'm your friend. Think before you dribble about how losing thousands of Americans and the World Trade Center made your government paranoid that terrorists might attack America. Please don't ever tell anyone anything so stupid again, that by confronting terrorism they are reacting to something imaginary. I think you must be the stupidest person I've ever seen on this site, stupider than the really nasty ones by a long way. This is just a crass insult and my heartfelt belief so please don't feel you ever need to respond.

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Flaming Sword Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:19:53am

#198 onegus:

I would have thought by now that you and your slimy countrymen would have already figured this out, but I don't mind doing what I can to make it perfectly clear to you: France is *not* an ally; we don't *trust* France to make important decisions; and we will *not* sit idly by and allow your country to put U.S. lives at risk.

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torchy Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:20:44am

#185 teal marie

along with Kore or Q're, the Virgin

Korah, a son of Iz'har, son of Kohath, son of Levi was a conspirator against Moses during the Exodus:

Numbers 16:3:
And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the Lord?

(Moses appointed a challenge the next day which resulted in all of Korahs men and all their goods being swallowed by the earth)

There's reference to a Korah in the Psalms of David (Pslams 42-49, 84, 85, 87, 88)

Co're, the Greek form of Korah is found once in the New testament:

Jude 11:
Woe unto them! for they have gone the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished by the gainsaying of Co're.

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Bob Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:26:05am

#198 onegus - are you from StrategyPage forums?

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teal marie Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:42:11am

torchy,
I was speaking of the goddess Kore, revered by Mohammed's tribe the Koreshites, and for whom the Koran was named.
I gather your intention is to connect Allah to a devil or enemy of Isreal. Thats fine. Probably true.
My intention is to point out the irony of a woman hating/fearing cult had its roots in Goddess worship and the symbols are still there. (Crescent moon, holiest book named after a goddess)

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evariste, the Midianite Sea Monkey Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:48:11am

onegus, shut the fuck up, asswipe.

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Catherine Wed, Dec 31, 2003 11:51:12am

Seems unlikely in the extreme that France has funded pilot training for Arab citizens. They don't have affirmative action programs, and think of affirmative action as another bad aspect of American culture. They disapprove of multiculturalism; see it as uniquely American.

Sarkozy is, I believe, in favor of establishing affirmative action programs for French Arab citizens . . .

Also, 10% of France is Muslim, so it seems unlikely that 25% of the copilots would be Muslim, as I think someone posted.

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billhedrick Wed, Dec 31, 2003 12:00:49pm

Well since most nations are 51% female it is unlikely that 75% of nurses would be women.

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punslinger Wed, Dec 31, 2003 1:40:17pm

How about Barbara Stanwyk

"Heath, Ted, Jerrod,

there's a fire in the barn."

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Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Wed, Dec 31, 2003 2:23:00pm

I traveled the banks of the River of Jordan
to find where it flows to the sea.
I looked in the eyes of the cold and the hungry
and I saw I was looking at me.
I wanted to know if life had a purpose
and what it all means in the end.
In the silence I listened to voices inside me
and they told me again and again.

There is only one river. There is only one sea.
And it flows through you, and it flows through me.
There is only one people. We are one and the same.
We are all one spirit. We are all one name.

We are the father, mother, daughter and son.
From the dawn of creation, we are one.
We are one....

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Flaming Sword Wed, Dec 31, 2003 3:20:34pm

I'm talking tax-deferred annuities, Ted...

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Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:12:24pm

Flaming Sword:

Er, the "banks of the river Jordan" does not refer to financial institutions. ;)

Torchy, Teal Marie, et al:

I believe Kor'e is the same as the Greek goddess Persephone (Roman goddess Proserpina), whose annual sojourn in Hades causes the seasons.

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Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:14:54pm

People coming back to Mecca from long journeys would circle around his idol in the Ka'aba seven times. Now why does that sound familiar?

Er, does this have anything to do with men not wanting to ask directions?

(Thought you gals out there would like that one.)

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Frank IBC, Abu At In Arqadiyah Igu Wed, Dec 31, 2003 4:22:16pm

Although now that I think about it, I notice that "Ceres" contains "K-R" as well.

And al-Lat = Leto/Latona, the mother of Apollo and Artemis/Diana.

But the similarity between Diana, Danae, Danaus, Dardandus (Troy), Don (River), Danube, Dniepr, Dnister, and many more, and the Hebrew names Dinah and Dan is interesting, too...

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Saeel Thu, Jan 1, 2004 12:32:12pm

It looks like this has been happening relatively often. Check out the quote below, from the NY Times:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Military F-16 fighter jets have also shadowed some foreign flights from Air France and other airlines arriving at major American cities, including Los Angeles, an administration official said.

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torchy aka robotchairfish Fri, Jan 2, 2004 11:46:40am

#203 teal marie- I see now, interesting point, thanks bunches for clarifying. You're right, I was adding what I thought were a close linguistic matches from the Torah and New Testament that identify Co're as a villain/demon, both of which preceded the writings of Islam. Of course Islam would suggest that they're not oppressing woman but (over)protecting, showing reverence for the feminine by constructiong a philosophical cage in which they capture and hold the feminine ideal. Of course, if this is how they treat what they cherish their barbaric treatment of their enemies follows suit.

#210,#212 Frank IBC- Yes, Ceres, interesting. She was the mother of Persephone, who was kidnapped by Hades and beguiled into eating the pomegranate and thus ensnared into returning to Hades annually and the cause of the seasonal changes or something along those lines. I've read about the alleged connections between the river/pace names begining with D-n and the nothernmost tribe of Israel, Dan. Unclear whether the Diana cults of Greece and Turkey bear any connection.