Dr. Khan, a fervent nationalist, has condemned the system that limits legal nuclear knowledge to the five major nuclear powers, or that ignored Israel’s nuclear weapon while focusing on the fear of an Islamic bomb.

Perhaps because five nations was tricky enough, let alone every tin dictator and two-bit thug keeping his own collection of nukes ready. As to Israel, she hasn't signed said agreement, so why should she be held accountable for something she didn't agree to?

"All Western countries,” he was once quoted as saying, “are not only the enemies of Pakistan but in fact of Islam."

Congrats, nutbar, you just answered your own damn question. It's that kinda cult belief that worries the hell outta us.

"All Western countries,” he was once quoted as saying, “are not only the enemies of Pakistan but in fact of Islam."

So, like a deranged Prometheus Khan stole a bit of the atomic fire. He'd better hope that Pakistan doesn't get burned by that very same fire. We in the west can either be islam's best friend or islam's worst nightmare since the Mongol hordes. This is up to islamic rulers.

Hmm, lessee, does anyone remember the fate of Gerald Bull, the inventor of the "supergun"? Of course, it's probably too late to silence this evil bastard.

Gerald Bull? Warned a few times and then was found dead-full of bullet holes if memory serves me correctly.

One of my friends has proposed a response to any new large scale terrorist attack on the US. His response is a lottery, the names of the terrorist supporting nations would go into a hat and one would be drawn out, that country would receive some serious attention from our military resulting in its total destruction. The other sponsors of terrorism could draw their own conclusions about their fate should they not change their ways. Interesting proposal, no?

#3 Spiny Norman

Was he Canadian?

Charles:
Thanks for posting this for wider attention. Pakistan is as dangerous as Saudi Arabia. The toxic twins of Islam. Saudi has the money to finance nuke programs such as Pakistan's. Saudi Arabia has the petro-dollars to build and infect mosques world wide with Wahabbi doctrine. But Pakistan is the only Muslim nation with the brainpower to build nukes.

My theory being, because Hindu Indians can be very smart, many on genius level, and what are the Muslims of Pakistan but the descendents of forcibly converted Hindus?

of course these revelations re Pakistan are very scary...but why do i get the sense that part of the interest on the part of the NYT, is so they can later editorialize that Bush et al are wasting time pursuing the "wrong enemy" (Iraq) -- sorta the same way Michael Moore does about the Saudis?

it lets them bash the current administration without looking like pussies.

just a thought...

dgd
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Great proposal, just be sure to include some "holy cities" in the luck of the draw.

"All Western countries,” he was once quoted as saying, “are not only the enemies of Pakistan but in fact of Islam."

Enemy of Islam = Someone who doesn't to live under Islamic rule or someone who won't convert to Islam

Evil always tries to make good look like evil.

... Dr. Khan and his team began publishing papers in the global scientific literature on how to make and test its uranium centrifuges.

Nice, Dr. Kahn. Not only do you bring nuclear weapons technology to the Mohammedans in Pakistan, but the wrath of Kahn makes this same technology publicly available to any country with the will but not the means available to Pakistan.

It sort of reminds me of "helpful" articles published in years past on spoofing ATMs, payphones, credit card companies, etc. However, those publications were only helping people steal money, not incinerate cities.

#6 AB

Yup.

#7

It is true.... the muslims in pakistan were hindus converted by force by the various islamic invaders from the 10th century till the british took control of india..in fact there are more muslims in india than in pakistan. they are also the desendents of the converted hindus.

The hindus are organising against this islamofasist threat but as you can see here in the democratic west... PC culture is also a problem in democratic India(but there is some liberties that can be taken there against the PC culture)

The indians have been screaming bloody murder for years ... and have been ignored largely due to its close relationship to Russia.

#6 AB, yes I believe he was. And living in Belgium when he met his demise.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

A late Happy New Year to all LGFers!

This is truly scary. I wonder what would have happened if Musharraf had been killed by those Islamofascists some days ago. Not that he's a saint or so, but...

#14 Spiny Norman 1/3/2004 11:04AM PST

#6 AB, yes I believe he was. And living in Belgium when he met his demise.

i think ive seen the movie wasn't that a mossad assasination

jimmytheclaw,

Mmmm, could be:

Bull then started work on the "real" PC-2 machine, a gun that was 150 metres long, weighed 2100 tonnes, with a bore of one metre (three feet). It was to be capable of placing a 2000kg projectile into orbit. However at this point the Iraqis told Bull they would only go ahead with the project if he would also help with development of their longer ranged SCUD-based missile project. Bull, never the politician, agreed.

(...)

Bull worked on the SCUD project, making calculations for the new nose-cone needed for the higher re-entry speeds and temperatures the missile would face. At this point Mossad started "warning" him to stop working on the missiles; over a period of a few months his apartment was broken into several times but nothing was stolen. He nevertheless continued to work on the project, and in March 1990 he was shot five times in the back of the neck while opening his door.

Happy New Year Hans! Good to see you here... keeping yourself busy, I presume.

:^)

#18: Spiny Norman

Thanks! Yes, I'm looking forward to blogging again :)

KHAN !!!!!!!

Hey but Islam is the religion of Peace...the New York Times said so.

PAPADOC

Charles - you should have titled this "the wrath of khan"

Photo of Abdul Qadeer Khan
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Abdul Qadeer Khan, who has been questioned in Pakistan over possible transfers of nuclear technology to Iran, is regarded as a national hero for helping his country become a nuclear state.

Saddam Hussein was an active partner in Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme not just once, but twice. Iraq funded Pakistan's clandestine nuclear weapons project in the early 1980s in return for uranium-enrichment technology. A decade later, the two were back in bed. This time they were busy trading money for an A-bomb design.

Pakistani nuclear spy, Abdul Qadeer Khan, stole the blueprints for a simple uranium-enrichment centrifuge made of aluminium from a Netherlands firm where he was working in the 1970s and 1980s. India became suspicious when the same technology then popped up in Iraq and was used by Baghdad from 1987 to 1989.
 
Citing Dutch media, the Indian embassy in the Netherlands sent a report to New Delhi in September 1991 quoting Khan's Dutch assistant, Frits Veerman, as saying: "Those lethal ultra-centrifuges in Iraq are purely Dutch. Khan first saw to it that Pakistan could grab them. Later his institute supplied blueprints to Baghdad."

In the late 1980s an investigation by Indian intelligence concluded Iraq had helped fund Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme in return for the centrifuge technology. Besides cold cash, the report said, the two Sunni Muslim countries' shared an interest in containing revolutionary Shia Iran. Teheran was covertly funding Shia militants in both countries.

K. Santhanam, head of the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses and a person who tracked Iraqi-Pakistani nuclear cooperation in the 1980s, suspects Pakistan turned to Iraq because it needed outside money as its atom bomb project carried a $ 6 to 8 billion off-budget price tag. Islamabad, he points out, had earlier turned to Libya and the United Arab Emirates for money.

Analysts believe Iraq probably channelled money to Pakistan through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, a now-defunct Pakistani bank later beset by scandals over its illegal money transfers. Indian sources say it is likely part of the payment was also in the form of petroleum shipments.

Iraq and Pakistan eventually abandoned aluminium centrifuges as unreliable. Both were later to acquire maraging steel centrifuges from a renegade German scientist. 

More----> Saddam secretly funded Pakistan A-bomb

Khan should have have ended up where Bull did.

More than a few western intelligence agencies seriously fucked up here, IMO.

Khan should be wearing a full metal jacket!!

#10 Alan

Very salient. The Hindus are beginning to see this. Hence the links with Israel.

Two countries: one enemy.

pakistan + saudi arabia = real axis of evil

mushy = arafat in suit and tie. as for concern on his welfare, if arafat died and hamas took over, would it really make a difference to israel. whethe jaish-e-muhammad or lashkar-e-taiba or musharraf are in charge, it doesn't make much of a difference to the thousands of indians being killed every year by pakistani terrorists. nor will it ultimately be of much difference to the US and the rest of the world -- a final reckoning w/ pak is inevitable -- better to finish them now when they have 20-40 nukes than in 10 years when they have 400

I'm mostly a fan of Bush's approach to the war on terrorism, but his admin's blind spot re: Pakistan is the continuation of a dangerous mistake.

The US has always had some reason to prop up the latest Pakistani dictator - anti-Communism, opening to China, war on terrorism. There's a segment of the Washington foreign policy establishment that views Pakistan as a long-time friend, and against all reason continues to enable this completely dysfunctional nation.

Without the billions in aid that the US has supplied throughout the decades, Pakistan would never have been able to sustain a nuclear acquisition program. For that matter, without Washington' support, Pakistan would have failed as a state and probably disintegrated into several smaller, mostly harmless states years ago.

I'd guess there's a reasonable chance that a nuclear device will be detonated by terrorists in either the US or India in the next 10 years. Pakistan's nuclear program - which could not have existed without the US's support of Pakistan - will be the source of the device, of course.

Pakistan is real trouble.

So says Salim Mansur, who happens to be a (moderate) Muslim, and a professor of political science at the University of Western Ontario, in this Jan. 2, 2004 article in the Toronto Sun, entitled "Nuclear-armed Pakistan is a black hole of terrorism"
[Link: cgi.canoe.ca...]

Of all the rogue states around the world, including North Korea, Pakistan as an openly declared nuclear-armed state is the most confounding strategic headache for the U.S. and its allies.

The reason is simple. It is a state with just about all its functioning institutions, including the military, thoroughly infested by the ideology of Muslim fundamentalists, financed over the years by Saudi funds.

If Musharraf's pact with the MMA is anything to go by, the self-same radicals have much more power in Pakistan than ever before. Could'nt a more intelligent approach have been to coerce Musharraf to make his peace with the secular opposition parties of Benazir Bhutto? The failure of the Bush administration to guide Pakistan towards a democratic national reconciliation could well be the Achilles heel of its Pakistan policy.

So, if I were the Pakistani ISI, what would I be up to? Two prong strategy:

1) cozy up to the Saudi royal family and sell them on the benefit of nukes as a way to maintain their security in the wake of the American estrangement. Sell nukes, free installation in KSA.

2) play bait and switch with the Al Qaida remnants - why mess with Afghanistan when you can have a nuclear capable KSA? Fund, organize and instigate a coup in KSA using Al Qaida.

Result: The Taliban, Reloaded - with nukes and oil money. ISI controls / influences behind scenes, deniability on part of Musharraf or whoever nominally leads Pakistan. And not much we could do about it.

Laxmi has posted article on Libya-Pakistan link, Libya Bought Pakistani Nuke Plans (posted by Laxmi on later thread) with Gaddafi's son admitting it.

#32 lewy 14
I had seen reports of this meeting a couple of months ago, and here's something from today's Washington Times.

Recent high-level official travels between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan lend some evidence of ballistic missile and nuclear weapons cooperation. Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah traveled to Pakistan in October 2003 and reportedly secured a secret agreement with President Pervez Musharraf, under which Pakistan will provide the Saudis with nuclear weapons technology in exchange for oil.

Saudi nukes