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Neo-Nazi Invited to Speak at Toronto Islamic Conference

Mon, Jan 5, 2004 at 5:16:32 pm PST

At a three-day Islamic conference in Toronto titled “Reviving the Islamic Spirit,” one of the featured speakers was William Baker—a neo-Nazi “evangelist” with a long history of connections to antisemitic groups: Pluralism is key, Muslim forum told. (Hat tip Randall.) The Toronto Star spends the first part of their account of the conference painting a rosy picture of the “pluralistic” atmosphere, before mentioning the fact that a neo-Nazi was invited to speak.

In reference to another speaker at the conference, Chanicka denied that organizers knowingly invited someone who is alleged to have ties with American groups that have a racist agenda.

“We have no business being involved in inviting anyone who shares any agenda of hate and racism, because we don’t find that to be anything within the realm of Islam or beliefs as Muslims, especially within the purpose of this conference, which is promoting a pluralistic Canadian society,” Chanicka said.

He was responding to allegations made by Bernie Farber, executive director of the Canadian Jewish Congress. Farber alleged that panelist William Baker, founder of Christians and Muslims For Peace, had been connected with American groups with a racist agenda.

Farber also suggested that “serious questions” had to be addressed to the organizers as to why they had invited “someone like Baker” to speak.

The Orange County Weekly did a story on William Baker when he was fired from Robert Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral after his affiliations with extremist groups came to light:

The Reverend Robert Schuller has quietly told self-styled “interfaith leader” William Baker to vacate his Crystal Cathedral office. The order came after an investigation published in OC Weekly revealed that Baker, who runs Christians and Muslims for Peace (CAMP), has a long history of anti-Semitic politics and held a leadership position in neo-Nazi organizations. The investigation also revealed that Baker had manufactured much of his alleged academic qualifications.

“We have separated ourselves from the CAMP ministry, and Mr. Baker will be off the campus as of May 31,” a Crystal Cathedral spokesman said.

Sources at Crystal Cathedral stated that the decision was based largely on revelations made in OC Weekly ("Hour of White Power,” Feb. 15). Soon after that story appeared, the Crystal Cathedral removed from the church’s website a link to Baker’s CAMP site, where Baker had peddled an anti-Semitic book titled Theft of a Nation.

Baker was chairman of the neo-Nazi Populist Party in 1984 and organized its national convention that year. The Populist Party was established and directed by Willis Carto, head of the now-defunct Liberty Lobby. The dean of American neo-Nazi politics, Carto also founded the Costa Mesa-based Institute for Historical Review, a group whose central purpose is Holocaust denial. In a written statement, Baker claimed he did not know the Populist Party was racist and that he never shared Carto’s racist politics.

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1 Jaffar  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:19:22pm

Nazis and Jihadis: Sounds like true love to me.

2 Lewis Can't Lose  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:21:12pm

Televangelists are generally scum, but Robert Schuller seems like a genuinely good guy.

3 andthenblammo!  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:28:03pm

Hey, this is a guy who can really explain how Bush=Hitler!

Hey, there's snow on my tin-foil hat! Will it rust?

4 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:28:35pm

Hey great! Now that's we've got them all together in one place, I wonder if the Canadians would mind losing just one, teensy-weensy little convention centre to a MOAB?

5 Joel  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:31:13pm

Charles another guy who appears quite a bit at the neo Nazi Holocaust denying 'Institute for Historical Review' in California is the paleo right winger Joseph Sobran. Sobran was called anti Semitic by his former boss William F. Buckley in Buckley's article "In Search of Anti-Semitism." Buckley also called Pat Buchanan an anti Semite as well (P.B. should be getting more votes in the Idiotarian of the Year voting).

6 scaramouche  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:31:37pm

The conference has been getting a lot of play on CBC Radio in its typical Kumbaya-ish, loony-left way. This morning I was treated to a report about how the conference hopes to counter the "negative stereotypes" of Muslims in the media. Many people, said an organizer, have never even met a Muslim, and paint an entire religion with the terrorism brush. Really? Why would anyone make the connection between Muslims and terror? Oh yeah, because they're the ones who keep blowing things up. Memo to the CBC and the Toronto Star, that execrable Judeaphobic rag: not all Muslims are terrorists, but far too many terrorists are Muslim.

7 zulubaby  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:31:45pm

Absolutely disgusting people. I can't even find the words ...

8 Jaffar  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:33:01pm
We have no business being involved in inviting anyone who shares any agenda of hate and racism, because we don’t find that to be anything within the realm of Islam or beliefs as Muslims

Oh really? From the Quran, Surah 5, verse 51

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

9 Joel  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:33:44pm

zulubaby - a Herculean effort you did regarding Gordon on a previous thread. THe way he splits hairs makes me think that he is a lawyer.

Nazis and Islamofascists are a perfect marriage.

10 greenmamba  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:35:04pm

Very fToronto fStar. whitewashing the whole thing.

Ted Honderich - rabidly anti-Israel (yes some of his his best friends are J J J J J J....oooze:
You have opened the first of a philosopher's pages.

described thus in 2001:
He's also part of a famous Canadian family: his older brother Beland ran The Toronto Star for many years, and his nephew, John, is now publisher and editor.

Sorry, got a bit OT there. The Star does that to me, along with the fact I'm practising for St. Ballantine's day in the middle of next month.

11 steve miller لله لله Oxen-free!  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:35:41pm

#9, and Gordon is the presiding minister at the wedding...

12 hans ze beeman  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:37:10pm

No miracle here: it was the Nazis who greatly sparked Islamism, so Nazism and Islamism not only have similarities, they also have historical connections.

See also here:

Although neo-Nazi followers may not be embracing Islamic rebels, right-wing leaders and ideologues have come to admire the tenacity of Muslim militants. This was heightened after the Sept. 11 attacks, when right-wing extremists were awed by the Al Qaeda network's dedication and patient planning in striking the icons of US capitalism and military prowess.
Voigt [chairman of an extreme right-wing party in Germany] was quoted by German television as telling the university crowd, ''I think I speak in the name of all German nationalists when I say, if it comes to a great clash [between civilizations], we will not stand at the side of America.''

See also here.

Neo-Nazi groups applauded the 11 September suicide attacks on the United States, and thanked the terrorists for 'knocking out' the 'common enemy': Americans and global capitalism. A message on the website of Horst Mahler, the former extreme-left Red Army Faction guerrilla who recently emerged as the leading ideologue of extreme-right academics, congratulated the terrorists and expressed solidarity with Islamic militants.

Links on topic abound.

13 FreakyBoy  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:37:16pm
In reference to another speaker at the conference, Chanicka denied that organizers knowingly invited someone who is alleged to have ties with American groups that have a racist agenda.

Natch, to Islam, neo-nazism is not a racist agenda, it's their PC/LLL protected religious and cultural trump card.

14 norar  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:39:15pm

Well, what a surprise, not. If David Duke can be an invited speaker "to the Persian Gulf country of Bahrain to discuss the "global struggle against Zionism" and promote theories blaming Israel for the September 11 attacks", why not other pathological Jew-haters. After all Muslim "leadership have a history of love affairs with the Nazis, so why not to continue this glorious tradition with the neo-Nazis.

15 andthenblammo!  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:39:51pm

I once called a guy in a bar a neo-Nazi. He picked up his beer bottle and smashed it on the bar and said, "What do you mean, Neo?

Thanks, I'll be here all week.

16 Paladin  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:43:01pm

Nazis and muslims: A marriage made in hell.

17 Jaffar  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:45:38pm

Nothing new to all of this. This marriage of convenience goes way back.

18 Deathberg  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:49:28pm

Has Baker been active in the (national) SOCIALIST movement since the 1980s?

Even if he hasn't, he's on my (national) SOCIALIST shitlist until he denounces them unequivocally.

19 OrangeJuice  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:53:56pm

UNPOSSIBLE!

20 dgd  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 3:58:56pm

Wait a minute;

Are you telling me that Joseph Sobran lost his job just because he was a NAZI. Shocking and extremely prejudicial. I'm sure his job performance wasn't affected by his being a facist jerk. How dare Robert Schuller condemm him for his political beliefs. Are we trying to say there should be some sort of standard for behavior if you are a public figure. What a concept.


Of course I'm being sarcastic, when these POS confront us what else can we do? SHOOT THEM?....

21 Donna V.  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:02:42pm

And in the meantime, Professor Rashid Khalidi, holder of the Edward Said chair at Columbia and commonly portrayed as one of those famous "moderate Muslims" says what he really thinks on Arab TV. This is Khalidi's response to an interviewer's questions about the Washington Institute:

By God, I say that the participation of the sons or daughters of the Arabs in the plans and affairs of this institute is a huge error, this Israeli institute in Washington, an institute founded by AIPAC, the Zionist lobby, and that hosts tens of Israelis every year. The presence of an Arab or two each year can't disguise the nature of this institute as the most important center of Zionist interests in Washington for at least a decade. I very much regret the participation of Arab officials and non-officials and academics in the activities of this institute, because in fact if you look at the output of this institute, it's directed against the Palestinians, against the Arabs, and against the Muslims in general. Its products describe the Palestinians as terrorists, and in fact its basic function is to spread lies and falsehoods about the Arab world, of course under an academic, scholarly veneer. Basically, this is the most important Zionist propaganda tool in the United States.

Remember, folks, Professor Khalid is a "moderate."

www.martinkramer.org

22 Donna V.  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:10:20pm

Oops, sorry, folks, the above link goes to Martin Kramer's home page. Here's the link to his blog, where I found the Khalidi story:

Sandstorm

23 dennisw  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:12:19pm

21 Donna V
____________

Good link Donna the prima donna. (Dion and the Belmonts)

24 Donna V.  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:14:08pm
Basically, this is the most important Zionist propaganda tool in the United States.

If I were Daniel Pipes, my feelings would be a little hurt by that.

25 Jaffar  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:20:10pm
Basically, this is the most important Zionist propaganda tool in the United States.

And all this time, I thought we were the most important Zionist propaganda tool in the US.

So sad. :-(

26 The Law Student  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:21:41pm

American Muslims have an identical political agenda to the Neo-Nazis, I do not know why anyone is suprised that Bloodthirsty Saracens north of the border share the bloodlust of their Nazislamic and Arabian compatriots.

27 tigger  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:34:50pm

The last paragraph of the link goes

During his panel, which was to explore common ground between Islam and Christianity, Baker criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians and asked audience members if they were willing to stand up and demonstrate for the Palestinian people.


There's no more! That's the end of the article. Why won't the Toronto Star tell me what the audience members did? What kind of reception did Mr. Baker get from the crowd? Did they boo him and his hate off the stage? Or did they sit there applauding nicely like good Canadian Muslims?

Yes, "explore commong ground between Islam and Christianity"; more like the common ground between Islam and Facism

28 observer  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 4:37:20pm

Speaking of Nazis, neo-or-bona fide, the press paid little attention to this story, carried in the NYT on Jan.2:
"A new law took effect on Thursday pardoning Swiss citizens who were penalized-even jailed-for helping Jews escape from Nazi Germany, nearly six decades after the fact and too late for many who died with the burden of misplaced shame."

Don't you love that "misplaced shame," for doing what decency and compassion demand of any human being. But they were castigated as "Judenhelfer," (Jew-helpers), and the Swiss government waited until almost all were dead before "rehabilitating" them for their humanity!

I owe my life to one of "them"--Paul Grueninger, the Police commandant of the canton of St. Gallen, who did not turn my parents and me over to the Gestapo in October of 1938, after we crossed into Switzerland from Austria.
He died in penniless in 1972, dismissed and deprived of his pension.
But the beat that drummed him out of society goes on.
Here's to the Paul Grueningers of the world--may they swim triumphantly against the stream.

29 Pissed off Canadian  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 5:06:49pm

The things that take place in this country amaze me.

What happened to my Canada?

30 zulubaby  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 5:13:49pm

observer (#28)

I saw that story the other day. The world disgusts me lately.

Here's to the Paul Grueningers of the world--may they swim triumphantly against the stream.

Amen.

31 Millie Woods  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 5:15:36pm

So now I know. I happened to be sitting in the concourse of Toronto's Union Station on Saturday waiting for my train connection to Montreal while steams and streams of the ugliest and scariest people I've ever seen went stumbling and bumbling through the station.
I knew there must be some Islamic happening taking place but there seemed to be little comment in the local papers. To be honest there were two or three females who might pass as human beings but the males by and large made Orcs seem attractive. What a horrific swarm of ugliness.

32 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 5:20:28pm

#29

What happened to my Canada?

The arbiters of Political Correctness have the upper hand.

#31

What a horrific swarm of ugliness.

Both figuratively and literally, I imagine.

33 Doug  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 5:27:26pm

#29 POC - Take it up with Kevin from Saturday's fun! And Lord knows you don't have the monopoly on them.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

34 Elizabeth  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 5:34:00pm

"...we have no business...(blah, blah)...because that is not something Islam...(blah, blah)..."

Right. NEXT!

35 Haroon Siqqidi  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:19:45pm

Perhaps it will get picked up in the Canadian press.

36 NTropy  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:24:30pm

Dear God! Couldn't somebody - anybody - but the OC Weekly have broken this story? I'm no fan of the Crystal Catherdral and Robert Schuller but for that LLL, commie, socialist yellow rag to break a story like this suck big time.

37 Eddie El Camino  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:26:50pm

Here's a story on some other guests the Islamic Conference could have invited:

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.net...]

38 JOEY  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:42:58pm

When it takes a Nazi to "revive" your Islamic spirit, you're in need of a DNR sign on your forehead.

39 DOW 1000  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:44:41pm

Maybe the Nazi appeared at the Islamic grunt fest to pick up a few pointers- from the masters.

40 NTropy  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:50:43pm

So what's up Charles? I noticed you've been playing with blocking domains or closing comments

41 ploome  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 6:54:59pm

#37, Eddie el Camino

Steven Plaut has a great website....

he has mentioned this suit

42 Julia the Horrible  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 7:20:00pm

Religious extremists......ugh.....I live in Falwell Country....my former internist is Pat Buchanan's brother......what's a libertine Virginian to do?

43 Donna V.:abu Zionist pig  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 7:28:04pm

observer:

I have a book called The Altruistic Personality, a study of people who helped the Jews during the Nazi era. What struck me as especially sad were the people who refused any public recognition or honors from the Israelis years later - they were afraid that getting honored as a "Righteous Gentile" would result in their getting abused and shunned in their own communities. The Poles were especially afraid of that.

44 Diane L.  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 7:35:20pm

I occasionally watched Robert Schuller's show many years ago. He's very ecumenical, and I remember him telling a story about how he and the late Jacob Javits (a beloved New York Jewish politician) recited the Lord's Prayer together when Javits was terminally ill. Schuller may have been naive to get involved with that sleazeball Baker, but it's extremely unlikely that he's the least bit antisemitic.

45 Morgan  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 8:38:56pm

OT

More on the wonderful peace-loving Muslims of America:

A Sarasota businessman accused of planning to kill an informant and an undercover federal agent bragged of ties to the Lebanese terrorist organization Hezbollah and told a witness that he wanted to bomb the office of a federal agency, according to court records released Monday. Wissam Taysir Hammoud, 38, owner of a cell phone business on North Washington Boulevard in Sarasota, faces a bail hearing in U.S. District Court today. . .

The court affidavit says Hammoud told another unnamed witness in March that he belonged to Hezbollah, that he had shipped night-vision goggles to Hezbollah so they ``could kill Jews at night,'' and that he had helped Hezbollah buy assault weapons.

[Link: news.tbo.com...]

46 Kragar(Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jan 5, 2004 9:43:06pm

More crap from Toronto:

Anti-Bush overkill blackens worthy site

47 observer  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 1:51:44am

#43, Donna V.

Yup--there was quite a bit written about antisemitism without Jews in Poland and other East European countries. It's not unlike a dog that sniffs a scent--the "other" dog doesn't have to even be there. Our supposed humanity has a mighty thin veneer.

48 axiom aka Malik al-Mulook  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 3:12:03am

Kragar: WTF? Serbisias wrote a piece defending moveon.org because the "right is gunning for them"?

A Fox News analyst tells the truth about the World Socialist Organization's near identical ties to moveon.org and the moveon folks cry and whine their way to a press release denying the claims. Just browse the net for 5 minutes. Where you find links to the World Socialists, hot damn, you find a link to moveon.org. But no, they really are not one in the same. Ignore the fact that the World Socialists are linking to the moveon.org donor fund.

"Nothing to see here Toronto Star readers. Just moveon.org to the two sites I linked in my column today and remember, ousting Bush is just as good, if not better, than ousting Hitler."

49 axiom aka Malik al-Mulook  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 3:19:43am

More from Antonio "Moonbat"

No question that the ads go way beyond satire and that posting them, in the words of the ADL, "cheapens the level of political discourse in America" — as if that were possible, what with Fox News and all. That said, they represent the point of view of millions, if not in America then certainly elsewhere.


Thank you Tony. You just summarized the importance of moveon.org. It serves the interests of everyone that cannot be a part of the US political process by telling them to send money to the moveon.org "advocacy" site.

Then he links us to the web's best satire at truthout, buzzflash and FAIR. With Michael Moore on every progressive politics panel, what the hell is the difference between Progressive satire and progressive politcs? "Look, I know we compared Resident Bush to Hitler and the Pope to Pol Pot, but we were just kidding bro.".

50 John  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 3:46:59am

What happened to my Canada? Well, one just has to look at the 401 and ponder what lies at either end. To the east we have French Canada, home to Jean Chrétien AND Paul Martin. To the west we find "Terrawnna" and its multicultural demographics, demographics that keep the liberal monarchy from the 401's 'east end' in power. Take your pick: Upper Canada or Lower Canada....the two bulges at either end of the dumbell!!

51 axiom aka Malik al-Mulook  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 4:23:25am

And to think it was only a few short years ago that Quebecans were thinking about starting their own country and the rest of the provinces were prepared to join the United States.

This actually could have been a good thing.

52 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:09:18am

What's happened to Canada? Hmm...let me think.

It's diseased-it is a fanatical liberal-lala land of "Trudeaupia" (as Mark Steyn puts it). Land of billion dollar gun registries, an emasculated army and a forced fed 24/7 diet of diversifake. Limpness, everywhere...

The coverage of the terror-fest was disgusting.

City TV ran it over and over again, saying that the schmatta heads were there to celebrate justice and peace-the teachings of Islam. Then there were more schmatta heads with eyeball holes talking about how proud they are to be schmatta heads. Then their terrorist brothers talked about how great it was that people came from all over the peace loving Muslim world to participate. The the Chief of Police (who is normally a rational, tough talking guy) spoke, and literally gushed about 'understanding' one another.

Then they showed displays of headscarves and books, etc...and by that time I thought I was really going to puke.

I wish they would all FOAD.

53 Amy  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:30:19am

Nothing surprising about the cooperation of Islamists and Nazis, seeing as how they have so much in common. Jew-hating makes for cozy bedfellows.

54 observer  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:38:12am

#53, WriterMom

I appreciate your description but am hurt by your putting "schmattas" on the heads of these thugs and liars. A schmatta can be a lovely, warm, and useful thing--and the ones for sale on the lower East Side years ago told many sweet and sad stories. (As in "every tuchis finds its schmatta.")

Maybe "[bigoted word]s?"

55 observer  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:43:25am

oops--#52, WriterMom

56 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 6:12:59am

#54 Observer-[bigoted word] is just fine with me!

Don't be hurt! It was certainly not my intention to suggest that there was ANY endearing spin to this group.

Perhaps others have suggestions of how to appropriately describe the attire of women in bedsheets with little eyehole slits? There must be a way.

Until then-[bigoted word] it is!

57 observerabove  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 6:22:24am

#56, WriterMom

I shoulda written "hurt;" I know you didn't mean to endow that bunch with an endearing quality.

Maybe we could try "masked homicide monkeys."

58 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 8:41:42am

Ha ha.

How about Masked (or Mass) Breeders of Homicidal Jew Hating Self Detonators? Too long?

Veiled and Venomous?

Burka-ed and Bonkers?

59 Mardukhai  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 11:25:53am

I am the author of the that series of articles in OC Weekly.

I have been tracking that bastard for years. He appears to be a true clinical narcissist -- a toxic egomaniac who believes his own lies.

The various Muslim organizations know who and what he is, and yet they still invite him to address college students as an "interfaith" leader.

Charles: The investigation took me most of a year. It would be nice if you at least acknowledged me by name when reprtinting my article.

Thanks.

60 del  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 12:46:09pm

mardukhai,

i'm not Charles, but: Thank you for your efforts on this story.

but also: Charles referenced your original and reprinted only a portion. Very fair use, on his part.

You make yourself look small by hte way you ended your post. If it really matters, contact him outside the blog, before complaining like that. He often updates entries with credits etc.

61 Mardukhai  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 12:55:32pm

I have tried to contact Charles on a number of occasions. He has never responded.

Possibly he considers me an Idiotarian for being a Democrat or for publishing the article in a leftwing magazine (OC Weekly was the only choice at the time. The Register turned it down flat.)

I would happily give Charles the right to reprint the whole damn thing, from beginning to end, on a page of its own – Baker and his ilk have to be stopped.

All Charles would have to do is ask.

Are you there, Charles?

62 zulubaby  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 1:00:20pm

Mardukhai (#61)

Charles receives thousands of e-mails a day, literally (!) so don't take it personally. He's very fair about things and always gives credit where credit is due. Take it easy.

63 Mardukhai  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 4:53:16pm

#62 Zulubaby

I hope so. I made $700 off this story, and it cost me more than that in phone bills. (Baker claimed to have studied at Oxford. A check of their records revealed he hadn't. Etc.)

Charles can email me at mardukhai - AT - hotmail.com .

64 zulubaby  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:02:53pm

Mardukhai (#63)

Is that your name on the article that Charles has linked to?

65 Charles  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:32:48pm

Mardukhai: er, no -- I don't consider you an idiotarian. Are you 'Stan Brin,' the author of the OC Weekly article?

As zulubaby said, I get an awful lot of email, and it's reached the point where some of it will be missed, unfortunately.

66 Haroon Siqqidi  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 5:40:35pm

Mardukhai #63

Was that story picked up by the mainstream press at all such as the LA Times, NY Times etc.

It is possible that they may have because it embarassed Christians, not Moslems.

67 Truth Dr.  Tue, Jan 6, 2004 9:05:34pm

Here is what one of the organizers had to say about inviting neo-nazis to an Islamic youth conference:

[Link: www.thestar.ca...]

Here is a letter from the CJC

[Link: www.thestar.ca...]

68 Moohamaad el Piggy  Wed, Jan 7, 2004 4:47:00pm

Here's more on the Islamic Conference...

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Globe and Mail, Toronto Star, New York Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune yoo hoo, are you there?

When are you going to start reporting on this stuff?


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