What? No "shake the ground beneath their feet"?

Rajab al-Arabi, a Belgian pilgrim of Tunisian origin, said hearing a Grand Mosque sermon is “something one wishes all one’s life. It’s a dream come true.”

But he added that he had expected a stronger message.

Not vengeful enough for you, Rajab? Your blood-lust not satisfied?

The whole area should have been carpet-bombed.

In a mainstream paper no less.

But he added that he had expected a stronger message.

LOL. Yeah, well the sauds are trying to tone down the blood-freezing, ground-shaking rhetoric of late. But I can understand his disappointment. He goes all the way to mecca for some good ol' fashion islamofascist rantin' and ravin' and all he got was some mealy-mouthed crap about triumph, destruction, and wrath. I mean, sheesh ... he can better stuff than that at home.

RoPMA

Oh G*d, I have a headache!

Give them victory in Palestine. Oh God, make the Muslims triumphant and destroy their enemies, and make this country and other Muslim countries safe. Oh God, inflict your wrath on the criminal Zionists.

Brought to you by the Religion of Peace (c)

"It's a dream come true" - well, different strokes for different folks...

...but of course, there is no reason to believe that the other members of the RoP living in other countries such as...let's say...the US or Canada for instance feel the same way. Noe of them would ever ask for a stronger message. After all, they are moderates, right, RIGHT?

Why do I keep thinking "Target Rich Environment"?

Obviously, when Allah doesn't answer their prayers (or answers, but says "no") they'll all see the error of their ways and settle down to a peaceful existance as members of the world community. Right? Right.

Soul searching on Mount Arafish?

"Inflict your wrath on the criminal Zionists"--this guy ain't exactly Martin Luther King. No golden-tongued locutions for him. Just the same clunky phraseology-- Mullah-speak--which passes for eloquence in the Muslim world. That these awkward tropes seem to inspire the seething masses says as much--if not more--about the recipients of the speech than about those who deliver them.

#9 Pablo

I noticed that too. Is there really a Mt Arafat? WHat the heck does "Arafat" mean in Arabic? (Serious answers only please. It's too easy.)

somebody crank up the 'u.s.-zionista earthquake machine' please.

kinda OT but excellent, The World According To Kofi Annan

The United Nations, helped the Iraqi despot, amass wealth, build palaces and unleash an orgy of tortures, by allowing him to misappropriate Oil for Food Program's funds. Iraqis cannot forget that the United Nations under Kofi Annan, did not do anything to assist the U.S. in its war against Islamist terrorism.

Beep beep beep

Is that Bigel's pager I hear?

Belgian muslims

French mullahs

Italian clerics

British mosques

Europe?

Europe!

And these creeps DARE to talk about "hate speech" and "racism" when non-muslims point out calls for violence or even murder in the Koran.

Go to hell, Islamonazis. Oh, I forgot: You are already there.

OT -- BBC Reporter in Weapons Probe Resigns

LONDON - British Broadcasting Corp. reporter Andrew Gilligan, whose story about Iraqi weapons led to a feud with the British government and a judicial inquiry, said Friday he was resigning from the BBC.

In a statement, Gilligan apologized for mistakes in his May 2003 story.

"My departure is at my own initiative," he said. "But the BBC collectively has been the victim of a grave injustice."

The BBC's two top officials resigned and the corporation apologized to the government after senior judge Lord Hutton, appointed by Prime Minister Tony Blair to investigate the death of a scientist caught up in the dispute, said the BBC had been wrong when it quoted an anonymous source as saying officials had "sexed up" intelligence to justify war in Iraq.

Give them victory in Palestine. Oh God, make the Muslims triumphant and destroy their enemies, and make this country and other Muslim countries safe. Oh God, inflict your wrath on the criminal Zionists.

Sounds like any speech at the various ANSWER rallies of last year, and probably any ISM meeting.

Man, sometimes I feel like it is hopeless.

"But the BBC collectively has been the victim of a grave injustice."

Couldn't resist, could he. Once a weasel, always a weasel.

Good thing this is only that tiny minority of extremists, or else I'd be worried...

So, the last time YOU were in a church or temple, did you hear such words? Or, did you hear a prayer for the saftey of our men and women in uniform, and for a peaceful end to the conflicts of man?

Religion of Peace? BAH!

A religion of *piece*: BOOM! A piece over here, a piece over there...

“We prayed for God to send all evil away from the Muslim nation.” Lahib added.

Well, I for one hope that their Allah, the holy god of Clocks and Rocks, Rags and Hags, Hate and Fate, Blood and Grub, and Lands of Sand, is powerful enough to remove all evil from Muslims. But I rather doubt it.

OT -- Israel Restrains Response to Bus Bombing

Wow! Nice words for Israel for once!

Oh... wait a minute:

JERUSALEM - Israeli forces briefly raided the West Bank town of Bethlehem on Friday and blew up the home of a Palestinian suicide bomber, an uncharacteristically restrained response to a Jerusalem bus bombing that killed 10 Israelis and wounded more than 50.

#22 Let's Roll

The penalty for killing Jews is getting lower by the day.

#16 Let's Roll

The losing side is saying that Hutton's ruling will result in an infringement of the media's freedom. Apparently, they fear they will no longer be free to fabricate the news.

Must be a lot of discontent in the Magic Kingdom. With millions making the Hajj there from all over the world, there must have been hundreds of thousands or more peaceful, moderate Muslims who were just furious with hearing sermons like this, especially when the prayers openly side with terrorists and against freedom.

We should be seeing a river of letters to editors throughout the world from Muslims who are shocked and saddened by what passes for Islam in Saudi Arabia, with demands for swift and deep reform. Right Gordon? C'mon Gordon, surely your flock 800,000,000 peace lovers will be making themselves heard. Any day now.

Well, while we wait... unexpected delays for some reason... please don't mind if I mandate that all such pilgrimages to Mecca be one-way trips, no exceptions. Enjoy your new home, or find another. I encourage Europe to do the same.

Abdul Rashid Gbenga, a Nigerian, said he couldn't wait to leave for Arafat because "it is the closest place to God on earth ... This is the closest thing to Judgment Day."

Hmmm, I seem to recall a highway leading out of Kuwait into Iraq that was much closer to Judgment Day than this side trip to Mt. Arafish.

#23   Colt

Sad, but true. In fact, you can get your friends out of prison these days. Just act like a murderous primitive, and the civilized world is your oyster.

We are killing ourselves, our nations, and our cultures just by being more human than our enemy.

Andrew Gilligan, BBC reporter, quits

In Belgium, we have Egyptian and Moroccan clerics who freely criticize the hardships of Muslims

What kind of criticism of Muslim's hardships do they preach about? Not enough tickets to paradise available (bomb belts)! No sharia! Too many woman's faces exposed. How difficult it must be to be Muslim.

Model4:

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We should be seeing a river of letters to editors throughout the world from Muslims who are shocked and saddened by what passes for Islam in Saudi Arabia, with demands for swift and deep reform.

I am pretty psyched. I also can't wait for the inevitable stream of screaming, howling protest from the vast majority of peaceful Muslims that they advocated murder at the Hajj.

While the initial response seems to be disappointment that the Sauds have amped down the volume a little bit from full-fledged earth-shaking, blood-freezing vengeance (that regrettable Muslim on Muslim terrorism, dontcha know), these are certainly fringe elements, and I am absolutely positive that the silence of the moderate majority is merely the gathering storm of righteous fury that will soon break.

One more example of the far left and radical Islam converging, in - where else? - Santa Cruz, CA.

Cynthia McKinney spoke, as did a relative of Marwan Barghouti. The mayor of Santa Cruz attended.

Is it fascist of me to LITERALLY want Mecca bombed? I don't mean during the Haj, but when the jawas have all gone home?

Here is my reasoning:
The closest thing to Sharia law would be something like the Old Testament laws. An eye for an eye, stoning adultresses, etc. (Before any ZoGs object, I know an eye-for-an-eye was never really enforced...just, bare with me)

The event that really radically changed Judaism to its present form was the final destruction of Herod's Temple around 72 c.e. It was this awful humiliation that forced a rethinking of what it meant to be Jewish and a reconception of the demands God makes on the individual.

In the same way wouldn't bombing Mecca cause a rethinking of what Allah meant when the Quran predicts Islam will cover the earth? With no place to go for the Haj, would that force Muslims to rethink the locus of their worship?

Ok, poor musings and a bit extreme at that, but wouldn't mind feedback.

www.mypetjawa.blogspot.com

#22 Let's Roll

from the same article: "Israeli officials said they were tempering their reaction because any retaliation that worsens the plight of Palestinians "is not effective." "

I am sure IDF will hunt down those responsible for the last attack still, but I don't see how IDF holding back their operations against the Paleo terrorists helps. After all the experience of Israeli restraint after Dolphinarium disco bombing and later on never prevented the media weasels from claiming "cycle of violence", and placing blame on Israel at every opportunity.

The silence you hear from moderate muslims, is because?
There are none.

The secular muslims are scared wittless to even breath loudly let alone complain about the bad image the tiny minority is giving their ROPma. By their non reaction and
walking around with their heads ducked down they are just as complicit in the violence that is taking place world wide.
Do you realize there is absolutely NO country you can now
travel to that these people have not infiltrated?

I am waiting for the big bang, so they can find out just how unwelcome they really are.

“Oh God, give victory to the mujahedeen (holy warriors) everywhere,” al-Taleb said. “Give them victory in Palestine. Oh God, make the Muslims triumphant and destroy their enemies, and make this country and other Muslim countries safe.

They don't mean "destroy" in the literal sense, as in "kill all the kaffirs", no. They mean it figuratively as in Jihad: the inner struggle.

"Destroy" in this context means to bring the infidel to the knowledge of Allah. It's a "spiritual" destruction of false infidel beliefs. It's basically just converting people.

Let’s Roll, #22

I watched the house blow-up today on FOXNews. I just wish there had been a notice tacked on the door first:

Sheriff’s Notice: Condemnation of Property
These premises are hereby condemned and are subject to immediate demolition. You have a few hours to remove your personal belongings and vacate. Consider this your lucky day; only the tenement will be destroyed. This event is payback for the bus, and is being arranged for your viewing pleasure. Do keep in mind, however, that we still owe you for 10 dead and more than 50 wounded. Be afraid; be very afraid.

Sometimes, I can’t stand myself.

I know there will be scoffing about the website where I found this article. But every now and then he has something pretty legitimate posted.
There may be a connextion between the BASF plant in Tennessee and the one in Texas. hrmmm

[Link: www.stevequayle.com...]

#!!--papijoe--its the PLAINS of arafat just outside of mecca where the pro mo hung out and which is an important location for haj prayers etc--i think of it as the road to hell actually

Interesting Times: Life is many things

I am comforted by the fact that the price that so many Israelis have found expensive is regarded by Palestinians to be cheap. Some analysts found Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah to be more defensive than triumphant, and have noted that most of the Palestinians were small fry on the terror ladder, sprung only a short time before their scheduled release.

Yet while I find the morality and advisability questions to be murky, one message is not: the vast contrast between the value placed on human life. Prisoner deals represent a rare and stark quantification of the human value gap.

The same imbalance that horrifies us says something profound: Alex's killer may be a hero in his home town, but he was worth on the order of 1/400th of one Israeli's freedom. The reason we have to trade so many for so few is that we value human life and freedom differently.

To our enemies, this is precisely our weakness and their chief asset. It is no accident that the suicide bomber is the emblematic weapon of the struggle of our age. Each such bombing repeats the question, literally in our faces: Can a society that loves life beat one that celebrates death? Al-Qaida and its groupies are explicit about this. "We know that you are still deluded by your power and think that your fortresses and destroyers and aircraft carriers will protect you. ... these are worth nothing in our eyes. ... we can face you one-on-one and make you taste the despair of those who have put their faith in this world," said one bin Laden mouthpiece.

OT
Did anyone see this program on Discovery?
I would really like to know.

Mexican Bio/Chem Plant Destroyed, On Discovery

Jan. 15, 2004

I just saw a most awesome program on Discovery. An Al Qaeda operative was tailed to Tijuana, Mexico. He was led to a Russian scientist with a lab in a remote compound about 60 miles from the border. The SEALs were sent in and wiped out all personnel. They found anthrax and destroyed it. This happened in July. They also found a tape and on it was a video of the LA stadium, with a short clip of the mastermind terrorist for that target. Interesting that the latest threat on the net that is supposed to be from Al Qaeda shows a montage with a stadium and a fire coming out the middle of it.

So when is the Super Bowl? This was truly an amazing intercept by our secret services. The problem is, as shown in this program, the Al Qaeda are very hard to follow because each level does not know what the next one is or what even their own mission will be.

From this it can be easily seen that we have a huge problem on our hands. It makes much more real the threats we have received. I suppose there are many such stories. I feel privileged to have seen this one.

frank

[Link: pub15.ezboard.com...]

I cited this link the other day when Dan was looking for resources to to refute his dhimmi professor. Being relevant to this post, I think it deserves another look for those who missed it or just didn't have the time. It's not just an article by a westerner, but draws references from Islamic scholars as well.

The Myth of Mecca - By Jack Wheeler
jwheeler@politicalusa.com
"... 'The myth of an original orthodoxy from which later challengers fall away as heretics is almost always the retrospective assertion of a politically dominant group whose aim is to establish their supremacy by appeal to divine sanction.'

"This applies to the Arab Conquest, says al-Rawandi, because for some two hundred years the Arab conquerors were a minority amongst a non-Moslem majority. For al-Rawandi, Islam is an invention for the purpose of providing a religious justification for Arab Imperialism. The Conquest is the reason and explanation for Islam, not the other way around. ..."

Also check out Wheeler's companion article, Moses In Mecca.

#32 rusty shackleford

I think it will happen.

Only when the centre is taken out will they learn humility.

OT I wish the BBC would learn humility. Tom Paulin, who wished Israeli settlers dead, is still on BBC Newsnight this evening. A poor thing, but their own.

Just so you know, not all of the DU crowd are worthless:

Are you suggesting that LGF is a right-wing site?

The Religion of peacers don't like Buddhists either--must be the monks' policy or something. And the barbarians do not just kill--they have to decapitate and act like a crazed animal.
[Link: daverodrigues.com...]

Torah, Torah, Torah

(scroll all the way down)

some asshattery on the site, but this picture is just too funny.

What we should be doing, but with FA18s.

Would this have been a beautiful moment???

[Link: www.english.mankato.msus.edu...]

Awww...
The Saudi al Watan: Saddam Hussein's health deteriorating

Yehudit (#31):

One more example of the far left and radical Islam converging

Here's an even more egregious example of them converging in one person.

Rajab al-Arabi, a Belgian pilgrim of Tunisian origin, said hearing a Grand Mosque sermon is “something one wishes all one’s life. It’s a dream come true.”

But he added that he had expected a stronger message.

“In Belgium, we have Egyptian and Moroccan clerics who freely criticize the hardships of Muslims, which includes the injustice that has befallen Iraq and the occupation it is under,” he said.

Don't you just love multiculturism? Why Belgium is just brimming with all kinds of wonderful people, Tunisians, Egyptians, and Moroccans.

Europe is totally f*cked. Totally.

I'm just glad I got to visit it while it was worth the visit.

I am glad this was printed in a mainstream paper.

My venom against Europe isn't looking so silly these days, is it?

It most certainly is: Tunisia, Egypt, and Morocco aren't part of Europe when I last checked and there are just as many of those jihadi-supporting "refugees" in the US (CAIR, anyone?): the freaks just aren't so blatant.

Besides that, we have lots and lots of home-grown anti-Semites. So does the USA get nuked too?

Mount Arafat??

Okay, perhaps the writer of this story made an honest mistake. But doesn't the Associated Press employ editors to check for accuracy the copy of their writers? And don't the editors of USA Today check for accuracy the wire copy that they publish? Or is it too much to expect either writers or editors in the present age to know that it's 'Mount Ararat' and NOT 'Mount Arafat'?

#53 Ann Observer:

Mount Arafat??

Thanks, but no thanks. Oh, and, ewww! Still, don't forget,
Google is your friend.

#54 Model4

I agree with the 'ewww' ... and, yes, Google is a friend.

But I don't speak a Middle Eastern language, so perhaps it's a matter for a philologist.

I believe that those so called Muslim terrorists are far more likely to bomb Mecca(God forbid) than anybody else in the world. I agree that the clerics words were a bit too harsh and that is just the problem that the Saudis have to work on.

On the other hand may I bring to your attention a quote of the prophet Muhammad which roughly goes "There will come in the future young people among you(Muslims) who have memorized the Quran and who practice their faith to the extreme and who will claim your following. Are those people on rightly guided path? Surely they are not, for they have strayed far from their lord".

Damned the problem is much greater than loose cannon clerics & your limp quote no match for the battle cries of the Jihadis, at least your recognition of Muslim terrorists is a welcome start.

#32 Rusty

The closest thing to Sharia law would be something like the Old Testament laws. An eye for an eye, stoning adultresses, etc. (Before any ZoGs object, I know an eye-for-an-eye was never really enforced...just, bare with me)

Have you ever considered that the Law of the Talion "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was in fact a law of moderation.. as opposed to killing an whole family or tribe for the death of one person. We tend to see the Law of the Talion as vengeful... but I can see it as having a balancing effect.

#36 Grandma

Do keep in mind, however, that we still owe you for 10 dead and more than 50 wounded. Be afraid; be very afraid.

Well, again. That's in keeping with the Law of the Talion. Ten killed... therefore they owe us 10 of their deaths. However, considering that they require 400 freed prisoners for one live Jew (and 3 killed Israeli soldiers) than should we apply the Law of the Talion when seeking revenge?

C.

#50, bigel

Your "venom" never was silly to me, but I don't share your eagerness to nuke Europe. Let them stew in their Muslim-loving, Jew-hating juices. Let's help Jews get out. Maybe British working class stiffs will wake up and bash enough radical Muslim heads to change the minds of their establishment. Or, when they see how France and The Netherlands do under Islamic rule, they'll fight--if there is time. The "continent" may be gone, but the sea may once again save England. And, maybe, another Churchillian leader.

#56 damned

Where did you get that quote?

#56 damned:

I believe that those so called Muslim terrorists are far more likely to bomb Mecca(God forbid) than anybody else in the world

Yes, God forbid any harm befall the center of bigotry and calls to violence in the world.

Thanks for providing a "quote from the Warlord" but could you source it as well? I'm sure I can pull a Nostradamus quote up from somewhere on the Web that states the Patriots will defeat the Panthers by a field goal in overtime, while Carmen Electra eats nachos.

Simple question for you though: Do you think the world would be a better place if more people followed the teachings and example of Muhammed? Personally, I think we could do with less rape, conquest, torture, pedophilia, and ethnic cleansing. But of course all other views are equally valid and must be embraced. For some reason.

I have a question, if anybody could fill me in:
Why are the Saudi authorities seemingly so worried about al-Qaeda attacking a massive gathering of their (alleged) Muslim brothers? Does the al-Q really hate Saudi Arabia enough to blow away some loopy cleric whose speech sounds like Osama himself wrote it?

I frequently find it hard to imagine these people's thought patterns.

#39 zulubaby
In your linked article:
"Can a society that loves life beat one that celebrates death?"
That's a basic question that keeps arising in the war on terror, or more accurately in the resistance to jihadist Islam.

A society that loves death versus a society that loves life. It's the difference between the Palislamic death cult society and Israeli society.
It's also the difference between the jihadist Islam society of today and the rest of the world.