FIRST!!!

Isn't this considered state-supported religion if the state builds it?

Crazy, a new thread! Rather disgustig subject matter though.

The new approach to the slaughter of the Eid sheep comes after years of difficulties for French Muslims who, having bought a sheep for Eid, thought it was their right to see them killed in a local slaughterhouse.

Do they understand what "rights" mean? I don't think they do.

We have the Super Bowl. They have televised slaughter of livestock. Which one is more civilized?

Sounds like overkill to me.

Just how long, do you s'pose, would it take to kill 3,300 sheep? And who in their right mind would watch all that?

How is this any less offensive than the hundreds of millions of Americans who will gather in front of their TVs in less than 17 hours to watch grown men play with an animal hide?

Da*n Kirk and his faster internet connection!

You'd think PETA would issue a Fatwa to stop this.

How far off are Muslims from getting "hard" structures in France for killing infidels and Jews?

I do wish lamb meat was cheaper and more available.

Mang, I love a roasted leg of lamb with big chunks of garlic clove rubbed right into the meat. I know this sounds gross, but I like sucking the marrow out of the bones, also.

#3, Kirk. If the Rams were ever to play in a Superbowl it would make the slaughter of sheep inconsiquential.

I'm boggled.

What's next, televised beheadings from the Saudi Entity?

What a costly holiday.

I think SoCal Justice already linked to this, but if this is true this is just more evidence of what an evil regime the NorKorComs have.

An officer ordered me to select 50 healthy female prisoners. One of the guards handed me a basket full of soaked cabbage, told me not to eat it but to give it to the 50 women," Sun Ok Lee said, according to the BBC statement.

"All who ate the cabbage leaves started violently vomiting blood and screaming with pain. It was hell. In less than 20 minutes, they were quite dead."

Using a drawing, he describes a gas chamber and the victims he says he saw at the prison in the northeast of the secretive communist state, near the Russian border.

"I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber. The parents, son and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing," he said.

"Normally, a family sticks together (in the gas chamber)... and individual prisoners stand separately around the corners. Scientists observe the entire process from above, through the glass."

What exactly do those Muslims get out of watching all those sheep being slaughtered? Besides, plenty of meat for the upcoming year if they do in fact eat them.

What I mean is this... When I go to my college class I get out of the lecture learning something new. When I take a shower I get out of the experience being clean. What do those Muslims get? Do they just enjoy watching sheep being slaughtered?

OT
Nervous regime of the day:
N Korea claims US made 190 spy flights in January

The televised ritual slaughter which will take place in a large mobile abattoir

Saints be freakin' praised the French put their foot down about the headscarves. WOW! Sumbitch! We have GOT to get footage of this aired in America as a wake-up call. Someone please tell me "sheep" isn't Muslim slang for, err, "Zionists."

Anyone got a better handle on this than I do? Is it like a big-ass truck with tv-screens on the side? Or do you just tune in at home? Are tourists going to be flipping through channels at the hotel and catch the festivities? Is it going to roll slowly down neighborhood streets like the fucking ice cream truck from hell, with people coming out of their houses with sheep on leashes? You know Le Penn's gotta be loving this!

WOW! Sumbitch!

I wonder what the wind rating of the sliding roof on Reliant Stadium is?

0-6 KM
SHEAR WOULD BE AROUND 60 KT ACROSS SERN TX. THIS COUPLED WITH MLCAPE VALUES AROUND 1500 J/KG IN THE HOUSTON AREA WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR ISOLATED SUPERCELLS. ETA FORECAST SOUNDINGS IN THE HOUSTON AREA SUGGEST STRONG DIRECTIONAL SHEAR WILL BE PRESENT WITH 0-1 KM SHEAR AROUND 30 KT. THIS COUPLED WITH LOW LCLS...WILL MAKE TORNADOES A
POSSIBILITY DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING ACROSS SE TX.

MODERATELY STEEP LAPSE RATES AND STRONG DEEP LAYER SHEAR WILL ALSO MAKE ISOLATED HAIL A POSSIBILITY. A WIND DAMAGE POTENTIAL WILL EXIST ACROSS ALL OF ERN TX AS A CONVECTIVE LINE MOVES EWD DURING THE EVENING.

PROBABALITIC TORNADO OUTLOOK FROM STORM PREDICTION CENTER

WOW! Sumbitch!

LMAO! Thanks Model4!

I take it leg of lamb and lambchops are the traditional Eid dinner, the way turkey and the trimmings are traditional for the American thanksgiving feast.

Did I mention I like lamb? I know the local HOU area Muslims occasionally like to decapitate their Jewish "friends", but I'm probably not in danger, and if I find myself a Muslim friend between now and Eid 2005 maybe I can get myself invited over for a yummy lamb dinner!

#13 unbelievably horrendous.

20

Well, I guess the Muslims have a longer record of barbaric behavior, but Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and now Kim show you don't have to be a Muslim to be evil.

Ed Moran...:

You would know this, but the worst natural disaster in US history occurred in Texas. For those who are unaware, check out this link on the "Galvaston Hurricane":

[Link: www.noaa.gov...]

Around 8,000 dead in one day.

Hey, if the French want to show slaughter, why don't they air on big screens the footage from the latest bus bombing in Jerusalem? This will make the local Muslim rejoice even more. You see, everybody wins!

I would never deny any person of a religion the right to celebrate it within the confines of civil law,but in this country, the USA, church and state are separate, and we are required to provide neither the place nor the TV coverage for anyone's religious observances at taxpayer's expense.

Mavbe in some stupid socialist country like France. But not here.

Vive le difference!

Camel Prophet

I have been to The Great Storm museum in Galveston.

I have also shopped for sunscreen at the Wal-Mart that now stands in the spot where St. Mary's Orphanage, where 90 orphans and 10 nuns drowned during the storm, once stood.

A lot fewer people would die today because of advanced warning and evacuations, but if another Category 4 Hurricane followed the path of the 1900 Storm, the dollar toll in the Houston-Galveston area would be incredible.

Well, the Mrs. came out and is mad I have stayed up so late. Bed time. Mañana people.

Ritualistic sacrifices. How primitive.

Manana Ed.

usa--sheepskin--you graduated--france--sheep slaughter--you go baaack to the past--who knows--this could be the french tv's nature channel--watch 3300 sheep slaugtered by crazed islamic butchers instead of the serengetti wildlife migration--this is unimaginable barbarity--you'd think peta would be there to throw red dye on the revelers--we televise the surface of mars--they televise animal death orgies--"dandy don--whatta think of achmed's slicing technique"--"not bad howard, since he hasn't sharpened his jambiya since ramadan except to circumsize his daughter"--thanks for the h.t. chaz--i was starting to get worried--he said with a sheepish grin ;-]

"not bad howard, since he hasn't sharpened his jambiya since ramadan except to circumsize his daughter"

My hat's off to you, HULUGU. Saying it all in one poignant sentence. That was the loudest chortle from me ever!

So much for France's vaunted secularism.

What next for France, knee-pads ?

Then I read #13, and stopped chortling. D--n, there are Nazies all over the place, nowadays. They should be taken out ASAP. The world is not safe until they are, no matter the method.

"You have lived the most evil of lives. I should kill you with the utmost terror and pain - but it is sufficient that you die. " (Jack Vance)

Bigsmoke

What next for France, knee-pads ?

Why, electric prayer rugs, of course.

Paris suburb of Evry will televise the mass ritual sacrifice of sheep for the Muslim Eid festival

They're going to kill 3,000 Frenchmen on TV?

What? Oh, you mean that kind of sheep. Ne-ver mind.

#13 Ed Moran of the Many Aliases,

If it we'ren't for the REAL DEAD PEOPLE, the Norks would be something from a James Bond flick.

But it'll be OK, Jimmah will have a talk with them...

This is just a rehearsal. One day, it's a different kind of sheep that will be slaughtered in France.

Vis á genoux et tu créveras á genoux.

Lets see, in France a Muslim woman cannot wear a head scarf, but its okay to televise slaughtering 1000s of sheep and show the blood and gore. I guess thats the French, fashion before blood.

PETA's probably not going to say anything about this, since they might end up in jail:

Bardot, 69, is no stranger to using her celebrity for feisty campaigns to defend animals. In 1997 and 2000, she was convicted in France of inciting racial violence after she criticized in print the Muslim practice of slaughtering sheep.

At least France has their priorities straight.

And is muslim a race in France?

#7  SoCalJustice 

LOL I agree, sic PETA on their terrorist asses.

Totally OT,
Is there any reasonable refutation of the whole Michael Moore calling Bush a deserter?

I take any 'proof' the gasbag offers with a large hunk of salt:
[Link: democrats.com...]
[Link: www.michaelmoore.com...]

But its a reasonably well put-together argument. I'm having trouble googling anything to counter it, does any one have anything?

Email me if you could! or post here...

#28 HULUGU:

"--"dandy don--whatta think of achmed's slicing technique"--"not bad howard,..."

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL... I can't stop laughing. Spot on!

#13 Ed Moran: abu Hezbi al Qahoul

... if this is true this is just more evidence of what an evil regime the NorKorComs have.

Why nobody is investigating CIA for missing on the NKorea developing their nuclear arsenal. And did not CIA miss on Pakistan, India and Lybia too? IMO, these mistakes were more dangerous than overestimating Iraqi WMD arsenal, after all even Blix admitted that Iraqis can't/won't account for the chemical weapons that were known about at the time weapons inspectors were thrown out of Iraq in 1997. Also, what is known about Iran and Syria WMD programs, apart from nuclear ambitions? Does Pakistan have C&BW?

Ot - for all but especially other texian’s and Houstonians: its been eerily quiet along the coast(Bolivar pennisula) since noon yesterday, chilling reminiscent of the days after 9-11 with its sorrow and anger but with an added hostility for all deniers, apologist and sympathizers of our left. There’s been little or no visible shipping/trawler activity with no light-craft or rig activity; so I presume all the party goodies were delivered to the rigs last week and everyone’s tucked in cozy, waiting for the game.

For the little Palestinians angered by U.S. opposition to hearing on West Bank barrier: maybe you’ll feel better knowing that 70% of our country oppose the formation of your islamo-terrortory, its a shame we can’t make that 100% and worldwide.

Tupsox,

Here is one. And another.

And another (from an actual retired military officer, Donald Sensing, who has a true understanding of the terms 'AWOL' and 'deserter').

#36

Had President Bush actually been an deserter during the Vietnam war, he could have been executed. At the very least, he would have spent a very long time in jail. Being AWOL is not the same thing as desertion.

As usual, MM is showing his ignorance. One expects MM to show his ignorance. One does not, however, expect a general, retired or not, to allow such a statement -- which he KNOWS is wrong -- to stand. To allow this statement to pass without comment is immoral. I consider it slander against the president. But what do I know. Now, if he had been diddling a child in the Oval office ...

As to the slaughter:

Frenchmen! Bend over and say BAAA!

#44 Dee Bates

Had President Bush actually been an deserter during the Vietnam war, he could have been executed. At the very least, he would have spent a very long time in jail. Being AWOL is not the same thing as desertion.

I am not a military person, so I wonder - would not somebody who goes AWOL be prosecuted by the military court? If Bush was several months AWOL as some say, he would sure spend a few long months in military jail, won't he.

2004: Muslims mass-slaughter of French sheep
2014: Muslims mass-slaughter of sheepish French.

Frenchy, don't say we didn't warn you...

Meanwhile, even Reuters admits the high cost of seething: "Pilgrims Killed in Haj Crush in Saudi Arabia"

MENA, Saudi Arabia (Reuters) - A number of Muslim pilgrims were trampled to death in Saudi Arabia on Sunday in seething crowds at the climax of the annual haj pilgrimage, the scene of deadly stampedes in past years.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

This year the Paris suburb of Evry will televise the mass ritual sacrifice of sheep for the Muslim Eid festival

Why!? Ugh. France is done. It's over, nobody listens to techno ...

This is just... odd.

A Hamburg museum was holding a controversial exhibit, titled "Crimes of the German Wehrmacht". Now, this was held off for two year after complaints that it attributed war crimes to the Wehrmacht.

1,200 far-right 'activists' protested the invent, marching, heiling and so forth.

But some 3,500 leftists (AP's wording) decided that the best way to voice opposition to the march was to destroy police cars and throw rocks at the police. They even blocked the streets with 'barricades'. The police had to disperse them with water cannon.

One does wonder about the world when the Nazis march peacefully and the leftists start a street war with 2,500 police.

I recall seeing some time ago that Islam opposes bullfighting as the senseless slaughter of the animal at the end.

I'm not a vegetarian, I have gone hunting and fishing. But this mass butchery is disgusting. With the Islamic propensity towards blood lust, they are having way too much fun killing these animals.

Fun, fun, fun 'till daddy takes my Eid knife away.

#46

The punishment for going AWOL varies with the circumstances and can be handled by the ship's Captain or base commander. When I was in the Navy, punishment could be nothing more than extra duty, or loss of liberty, all the way up to time in the brig. At most, except in the most extreme case, someone who's gone AWOL "only" faces a Court Martial, usually conducted wherever the accused is stationed. A Court Martial does not necessarily mean that the accused will be required to leave the service. These are young people we're talking about and they do stupid things, like all those who are inexperienced (and those who never make the effort to learn from their mistakes, but they don't last long). The military, after thousands of years of experience dealing in this human behavior, has gained the wisdom not to overeact. (This doesn't mean that they won't make the guy's life a living hell.) The circumstances matter, as does the record of the accused.

Desertion, however, is a whole nother kettle of fish. Desertion is handled at much higher levels and involves more than a mere Court Martial (though that is included). The stakes are much higher for the accused. Desertion during a war is punishable by execution. It requires a formal tribunal becauase it is so serious. Unlike a civil or criminal trial, there is no jury, but a sort of jury of military personal of rank. It is presided over by a panel of judges. There is a prosecutor and the accused has a defense attorney. Both are military lawyers. Think "The Caine Mutiny". That's as close an example that I can think of off hand. (Of course, there's JAG, but..., well, I won't go into my problems with JAG.) Desertion is right up there with mutiny -- that's how serious it is.

I agree that you ought to check out the links provided in the post after mine, especially Donald Sensing's blog. I served a long time ago and I'm sure things have changed considerably (speaking about procedure, not the gravity of the crime).

My point is that General Clark certainly knows this and knows full well that Bush would never be president had he been a deserter. It is disingenious (sp?) of him to say that he "doesn't know the facts." And he did it twice on national television.

He's lying, pure and simple. One does not rise to his rank without knowing about military regulations. Hell, they teach the Uniform Code during an officer's training. They also ingrain the fact that an officer never speaks against a president -- who is his ultimate boss. One may bitch in private with others, but an officer and a gentleman would never allow this disgraceful canard to stand in public. Evem a retired officer. The more I listen to him, the more I understand why he was relieved of duty as the head of NATO. I've met his type of officer before and, believe me, he isn't one who would inspire confidence amongst his men; I guarantee that he was known by those who served under him for the opportunistic, pompous ass he is, and would not trust him.

The Clinton's picking Clark to run reminds me of the old frat stupidity of having an "ugliest girl" party where the brother who brings the "worst" date, at least in their pea brained world, wins. Did they know he would be as bad as he is? Who cares what their motives were? The fact remains that they did the deed and we now have to suffer his mug all over the news.

Blood and Souls For Arioch...er, Allah! Sorry, but really is there a difference?

Anyway, the Nazi's holding the peaceful protest. Ernst Röhm's SturmAbteilung would be embarressed by the peaceful means of declaring national socalism. The L3's are more his style. But then, Ernst Röhm wasn't all that bright.

Why not put a few cameras in Mecca and broadcast the annual slaughter of the infirm and the weak:

"At least 50 Muslim pilgrims were trampled to death in Saudi Arabia on Sunday at the climax of the annual haj pilgrimage, the scene of deadly stampedes in past years, witnesses said.

'More than 50 bodies were lined up and covered on the road. They were being taken away,' Reuters cameraman Mahmoud Ali said.

. . . 'This morning there was a heavy crush among pilgrims throwing pebbles. Several pilgrims stumbled and some were killed,' the state Saudi Press Agency quoted an Interior Ministry official as saying.

. . . The haj has witnessed deadly stampedes almost every year. In 1990, 1,426 pilgrims were crushed to death in a pedestrian tunnel at the holy city of Mecca.

. . . Last year 14 people were trampled to death as huge crowds thronged the area. In 2001 at least 35 people died in a stampede at the bridge and 119 died in a similar incident in 1998."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

What is it about these animals and mass murder, even in the context of a sacred religious ceremony? Is it that no one in Saudi Arabia can figure out how to handle large crowds? Or do they just not care - their chanted prayers a variation on the old t-shirt slogan - "crush 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out later".

Off Topic...

I saw this quotation in a virulently anti-Israel letter to an editor:

"Our fathers had reached the frontiers recognized in the partition plan; the Six-Day War generation has managed to reach Suez, Jordan, and the Golan Heights. This is not the end. After the present cease-fire lines, there will be new ones. They will extend beyond Jordan ... to Lebanon and ... to central Syria as well." -- Moshe Dayan to Zionist youth at a meeting in the Golan Heights July, 1968

Did Dayan say such a thing?

#58 Carl

What difference does it make? Israel has been in a state of retreat since 1967, leaving Sinai, giving most of Gaza and much of the West Bank to the Palestinians and offering up most of the Golan to Syria. Plus, Googling the quote only leads to the usual suspects: Holocuast deniers, Arabs and communists.

I can already see "SALE SALE SALE" signs in Pita shops all over Evry in the next few days due to the unexpected and unforseen glut in Kebab meat.

Another successful haj: the number of Muslims sacrificed is now at least 244. Allah will be pleased.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

#13 Ed Moran

Did you read the Congressional testimonials of NK defectors of what goes on in the NK deathcamps?

I brought just one of the testimonials (involving cannibalism) when being lectured to about the "imperialistic" intentions of America and Axis of Evil comment GWB made. The person stopped talking for about 2 seconds and continued lecturing. Facts are apparently speed bumps on the highway of leftist dogma.

hmmm...I think I've finally come up with a explaination of L3 behavior. a good portion of them are anhedonic, or at least bipolar.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

Yep, 244 Muslims die in Mecca Hajj stampede. Why is Allah allowing this and Iranian earthquakes??? Do not your Jew killing minions show enough faith? Oh, Allah!!

Wonder what PETA is going to say about it.

ot - a cute news ticker from haaretz states 'Palestinian Authority Chairman Arafat: Israel will have to cooperate with International Court of Justice on fence.'

yea, right! i wonder if he's registered with the democratic party, they believe their bs also.

A wrap-up of Haj deaths in recent years. Seems like the sheep aren't the only ones being ritually slaughtered:

[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

#63 dennisw

Yes, a stampede - yee haw! I guess something must of spooked them.

200+ Kurds killed or wounded by two terrorist bombs in Iraq

Targets were party HQs of two Kurdish political parties, the PUK and KDP.

I assume that Zarqawi and the Al-Qaeda associated Ansar al-Islam group operating the northern areas of Iraq are responsible.

The KC Star article above requires registration, so you can avoid that via Google News.

In addition to the mass slaughters of Hajjis listed, check out the dates:

Feb. 1, 2004
March 5, 2001
April 9, 1998
April 15, 1997
May 23, 1994
July 2, 1990
July 9, 1989
July 31, 1987
Aug. 3, 1980
Nov. 20, 1979
Dec. 4, 1974

It's something else to have a calendar system so backwards that your religious holiday rolls around the entire year, isn't it?

I'm finding it harder and harder to be intellectually flexible about Islam. I know we're supposed to try to understand and respect other cultures, but if mass trampling or animal slaughtering had happened at a NASCAR race, I don't think there would be any compunction on anyone's part in calling those people a bunch of ignorant psychos.

What is amazing is the they know that this will happen every year and still can't do anything about it! Is it that they're too stupid to prevent the human stampedes, or is it that life is so cheap that its not worth the trouble to stop?

Next year they'll broadcast the stampede !

#71 Morgan

In answer to your query: both.

#57 I have seen that quote before. I cannot be true because Dayan was part of the government that immediately after '67, offered to give everything back.

The Arab response to this was the famous 3 noes: no peace, no negotiation and no recognition.

So I say, consider the source. If you go to al-Jazeerah's english language site and read about all the massacres Israel has commited over the years, when you are done reading it you are ready to call Sheikh Yassin for a belt bomb. Unless you happen to know that that in two of the "massacres" almost twenty Israelis soldiers died.

Have you ever read of any massacre in modern times with as many casualties by the perpetrators?

Rationally, when one looks at the map, just how much land do a few million Jews needs to live and what particular upsaide can there possibly be in having many millions of Arabs to rule over or be displaced by conquest?

But the map does not lie, Israel has conquered the Sinai and south Lebanon twice and given them back twice. She tried to make peace with Assad but he refused, until he does, Syria does not get back the Golan. The West Bank and Gaza were offerred to Arafat, and refused. No other intention can be drawn by the facts.

The televising of sheep sacrifice is a Zionist plot to show the non muslim French how bloody Islam (rop)is.

According to the report I just heard on CBC radio, the Saudis attribute the deaths to "disorganization and obstacles to movement". Despite the stampede, the ritual continued, and pilgrims moved on to circle that big black thing in Mecca. Those who did are guaranteed a hero's welcome when they return home.

The report also said that another 272 pilgrims had died of "natural causes".

#72 El

Next year they'll broadcast the stampede !

Maybe it can become an annual event, like the running of the bulls in Pamplona.

OT: Sweden: 500,000 Muslims Not Allowed to Slaughter in Sweden
OT: Yemen: Editorial Cartoon - Israeli Soldiers Marching Into Sea (Marked "Hizbullah")

. . . 'This morning there was a heavy crush among pilgrims throwing pebbles. Several pilgrims stumbled and some were killed,' the state Saudi Press Agency quoted an Interior Ministry official as saying.

. . . The haj has witnessed deadly stampedes almost every year. In 1990, 1,426 pilgrims were crushed to death in a pedestrian tunnel at the holy city of Mecca.

Time to end festival seating at the Haj, is all I have to say.

Slightly OT but not that much
let's say it's french intifada.

Btw don't shoot me on sight cos' I'm french :D I usually just read this blog but couldn't help posting that piece today.
And yep France is doomed, one way or another...

in short French Ministre de l'intérieur (in charge of police and security) and other personalities were chased by a crowd of "young people" yesterday in the very heart of Paris.

It's the second times it happens to him, last year he tried to enter a "cité" in Mantes La Jolie near Paris and had to retreat VERY fast with his BGs, policemen and riot-police.

But this time it happens in the very heart of Paris and it says a lot.
It says a lot about how the regular french guy is living, every day in his own country. Without bodyguards, without cops around him.
It says a lot about what it's like to live, even worse, in one of those suburbian no man's land called "cités".
It says a lot about the living hell some girls as young as 12 are living, no need for gruesome details I guess. Though it's worse that what you probably imagine.

Original article TF1.fr (French TV channel)

Nicolas Sarkozy who says to like to go in contact with people should not have been disappointed Saturday by his visit in the district of the Markets, within the heart of Paris.
During a displacement on the topic of safety in public transport, the Minister of Interior Department and the head of file UMP in Island-of-France, Jean-François Copé, were chased by several tens of young people (read of immigrate ascent, thats french PC) at their exit of a police station located opposite the Forum.
Before the scuffle, they had however been able to discuss in calms with several young people during about fifteen minutes. The Minister for the Sports Jean-François Lamour and the Secretary of State to the fight against exclusion Domenica Versini, were also present. But at their exit of the police station, the tension is installed, obliging them to take refuge in a street close under protection to some police officers and the whistles. They finally could leave the places on board their official cars, after being coursés by young people. Right before entering the vehicle which awaited it Sébastopol boulevard, Nicolas Sarkozy stopped to face his prosecutors. A tended discussion then began. It exchanged in particular during several minutes with a young person who affirmed "to leave 18 months of prison for flight with violence".
Nicolas Sarkozy affirmed to him "to fight so that each one can have its place and its chance" and repeated that he wanted "that there is peace in the districts". Sunday, the police force let know that a person had been challenged and placed in police custody for "insult" towards police officers.

OT: Pakistan: Court Moves to Stop Marriage Between 7 yr old Girl & 40 yr old Creep (Girl given to man to settle dispute)
OT: 3 Given Life Imprisonment for Blasphemy (very short article)

F*cking hypocrites ...

[Link: www.islamonline.net...]
[Link: www.sparealife.org...]

Ed,
In my religion, the most violent we get is to offer a sign a peace (usually a handshake, but my wife and I enjoy a good hug).

Is there any doubt here that we are dealing with, at best a medieval religion here with these stampedes (ritual stoning) and animal sacrifices?

Tell me how this is a Religion of Peace...?

It may not be what I'd do, but if a religion has a need for ritual killing of animals .. as long as I don't have to watch, I don't care.

They can do this in the US, I would hope, under freedom of religion.

But I don't want my tax dollars, or any public officials being involved. I don't want my government involved, except to regulate for health matters.

Let the religious group build, and pay for, whatever structure is needed. They should abide by whatever local health regulations would apply.

Don't shove it down my throat, make me pay for or watch it, keep it behind closed doors in the privacy of a religious structure. I'm fine with anything like this as long as it doesn't impact or involve me.

#37 Geepers

Since Brigette Bardot and PETA have agitated in France to stop kosher slaughtering, she is at least consistent. I do wager, however, that she wasn't prosecuted for inciting racial hatred for that.

Anti-Semitic Programming to Be Banned on Arab Channels

“I say to the Jews of France, do not be afraid, do not be tempted by those who want to separate you from the national community,” Raffarin told a crowd of 800...

Every warning bell should be sounding and all the lights should be flashing, now is the time to leave.

John Gibbon, as I mentioned before, although both Christianity and Islam claim the Jewish prophets as part of our heritage, the founder of Christianity stopped a mob from stoning a woman to death for adultery, whereas the founder of Islam was the Roger Clemens of his age.

Religion of Peace kills over 50 Kurds gathered to celebrate the Eid in 2 suicide bombings.

Hajj death toll approaches 250

OT. Dean helping Bush/Cheney oppo with stories about what a special interest lobbyist whore Kerry is.

I'll wager that American muslims will be agitating for this right now that their French cousins now have this right. Thank goodness for separation of church and state!

I wonder if French families will be gathering around the TV with snacks & beverages?

But what will the betting line be?

Lets get 50 million sheep and stampede the little rascals into all those Haja-nuts and see what kind of muslim trimming we can accomplish.

#85 Eric

It now remains to see how hypocritical the Zeuros are as several countries banned "kosher slaughter" of meat. I think it was Switzerland that even wanted to ban its import.
Halal killing is similar and now the French show it on TV.
BY the way read a report on Mad COw disease and in it they admit that the stunning of the animal before cutting its throat (as the Europeans demand) pulverises the brain and the brain tissue with 'dreaded prions' then gets distributed throughout the body as the heart keeps on pumping.
WE humans still have so much to learn and yet in our arrogance we refuse to admit our errors , and we permit some really stupid behaviour.

#92 Er, Muslim trimming?

Will they be subsidizing the duck sauce too? Shame on you, France. All your magisteria are overlapping.

Very OT/

I think I have seen and heard, just 'bout everything now:

Last night, while drinking and socializing, I met a Hispanic girl from UT. Imagine that, in South Texas of all places. The conversation quickly got to politics and the issue of the Iraq war. She initially surprised me with her strong support for the war and the backing of President Bush in the coming election. Then she floored me with the argument that Bush knew about 9-11 in advance and needed it as a FDR/Pearl Harbor justification for retaliation. She proceeded to link Saddam and the whole Bush clan and various other typical LL conspiracy theorys. It was as if, the the stereotypical DU nut was also very pro-war and pro-Bush. Strange.

The marriage of the LLL and the war hawk, an interesting conversation.

El: Welcome to LGF! No, we won't "shoot you on sight" just because you're French - we save our ammo for morons of all nations (most of us do anyway) and your post shows you're no fool.

It simply amazes me that the French Minister of the Interior can be chased by a couple dozen thugs in the heart of Paris. I mean, I knew it was bad in the suburbs, but it's reached a whole new level of awful over there.

Regarding Bardot: don't put her on any sort of pedestal. She is a rabid animal rights activist who, like most PETA types, values animals more than people. I give her credit only in that, unlike PETA, she's got enough guts to take on the Muslims as well as non-Muslim meat eaters.

3,300? Is that symbolic?

OT: Purging of the Armed Forces, a Double-edged Sword in the Hands of the Executioners

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wasn't sure If this had been posted. the mullahs are getting nervous.

#97 Donna V.

Re: Bardot

She is a rabid animal rights activist

Huh... no. She's just too dumb to walk & chew gum.

Bad bad berries. To return to the topic, people are sort of simple things in some ways and to accustom any public to seeing this much, even animal, bloodshed is a bad precident.

Speaking as a Jew and a carnivore, I have no problem with either eating meat or providing religious supervision of the slaughter procedure.

I assume that for the meat to be Halal that it must be witnessed (although I know pretty much nothing about Halal procedures) and that's why they are doing this.

As for using state money? We're talking about Europe, where most places have state religions.

*shrug*

This might just come HERE. Court upheld Santorias? right to sacrifice Goats (think it was goats) and swing a chicken over their heads..in Fla. Hello

We also santioned a Bull Fight (bull isnt killed at the end of it) somewhere? I forgot which State. I thought it was Texas but not positive. Also Cockfights in some Western State were also allowed to go on..or at least werent legislated against in the end. Was on the ballot to stop it or had been passed..At some point in this issue it became OK to have Cockfights...(fuzzy on the particulars). Another fuzzy rememberance is ...either Canada or the US let Natives go on a Whale hunt..cause it was their ...c u l t u r e...

So Religions and Cultures ARE being accomodated in the US as well as France.

Is there a point Americans will say NO..dont think so...at least not for fun...and not even for your religion..cause its nasty, yucky, mean, horrible..etc.

Ed Moran, he of the many etc. name attachments, you should try rubbing down that leg of lamb with rosemary too. Lamb stew with garlic and fennel is also a yum-yum.
A local bistro serves a super shepherd's pie made with minced lamb and sweet potato.
I used to go to a summer conference in Laramie Wyoming. Every now and then some of us would goof off to the Snowy Mountains when we got tired of the cerebral overkill being dished out by the confrerees.
One day we saw a huge semi pull into a parking lot at
9000 plus altitude and disgorge flocks of sheep with their Basque shepherds and Great Pyrenees dogs.
What happens to all those sheep eventually?

El

Welcome to LGF. I hope you will post more often. We will value your insight.

We have other French posters here too, don't worry.

#104 Millie Woods

Rosemary and lamb is a heavenly combination. I'm thinking about getting a rack for Easter. mmm!

I've made lamb stew with garlic an fennel too. Darn good.

#103 Leah

Add to that the state taxpayers $$ spent to clean up after those Santarias in Miami. They sacrifice chickens and goats ON THE COURTHOUSE STEPS when their loved ones are on trial. This is so commonplace that the sanitation dept and animal services has a special unit to clean up.

At the Catholic church at the 11 am Mass we started with a hymn from the Lutheran playbook "A Mighty Fortress is Our God", which I knew as a child as the theme song from the religious themed claymation show "Davey and Goliath". ( Goliath was a talking dog ).

Our Second Reading was from St. Paul's first letter to the Church at Corinth.

Love
1 Corinthians chapter 13

I may be able to speak the languages of men and even of angels, but if I have no love, my speech is no more than a noisy gong or a clanging bell. I may have the gift of inspired preaching; I may have all knowledge and understand all secrets; I may have all the faith needed to move mountains - but if I have no love, I am nothing. I may give away everything I have, and even give up my body to be burnt - but if I have no love, this does me no good.

Love is patient and kind; it is not jealous or conceited or proud; love is not ill-mannered or selfish or irritable; love does not keep a record of wrongs; love is not happy with evil, but is happy with the truth. Love never gives up; and its faith, hope, and patience never fail.

Love is eternal. There are inspired messages, but they are temporary; there are gifts of speaking in strange tongues, but they will cease; there is knowledge, but it will pass. For our gifts of knowledge and of inspired messages are only partial; but when what is perfect comes, then what is partial will disappear.

When I was a child, my speech, feelings and thinking were all those of a child; now that I am a man, I have no more use for childish ways. What we see now is like a dim image in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. What I know now is only partial; then it will be complete - as complete as God's knowledge of me.

Meanwhile these three remain; faith, hope, and love; and the greatest of these is love.

Just out of curiosity, any Quranic scholars now how many suras or hadiths there are about love?

Latest visible imagery and surface observations suggest leading edge of warmer/more humid air that would support tornadoes hitting HOU during SB XXXVIII is still about 100 miles south of HOU, and may not get here in time.

However, the cooler stable layer that hurts our tornado chances is thin enough that supercells may root just above the surface, providing a chance for loud hail to ping noisily on the Reliant Stadium roof.

Granger, TX AN/WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar loop showing showers beginning to develop along pre-frontal trough/windshift.

e,

I assume that for the meat to be Halal that it must be witnessed (although I know pretty much nothing about Halal procedures) and that's why they are doing this.

Nope, it isn't necessary for the slaughter to be witnessed. It's pure blood lust.

Ed Moran, he of the many cognomen attachments,( we have to stop meeting on these threads )yeah I had to read that Corinthians epistle today and afterwards I told my husband that it was quite sensational and even better, understandable, which readings from Paul frequently aren't.

e, see the thread with the bloody hand prints and the laughing child to get an idea. Does that remind you of Judaism? Me neither.

re No 16 the model.

With reference to the French and the banning of the hijab
I was fortunate enough to watch the French interior Minister deliver his "speech" on this point.

He was very strong in his use of language, referring to the "long bearded" ones who control.

He also stated very clearly that Islam is a political doctrine and that France is a Republic and secular and shall remain so.

The minister also went on to say that it is the Koran that is the root cause of the problems.

The Minister did not pull any punches and this was very refreshing to hear, he told it how it was.

I wish my government would do the same

Somebody be sure to link to some vidcaps, 'kay?

During a performance on Saturday night, the Jewish French Singer Shirel was attacked by crowds chanting "Dirty Jew". Bernadette Chirac the wife of the President of France, also happened to attend in the audience.

Shirel had just begun her performance at a charity concert in front of 5,000 people in Macon (Saone-et-Loire) when cries of "Death to the Jews" started. Shirel was singing at a charitable fundraising event for childern that are ill, "Pieces Jaunes"

Lans: NO way...Get outta here..You have to be kidding...ON THE COURTHOUSE STEPS?

Listen..there is a teeny weeny tiny miniscule group of Jews and Christians, who back them with funding, into Temple Restoration..who ALSO want the restoration of all the rituatls. This is a big NO!!! Restoration of the building and some of the rituals is fine (again, I wouldnt hold your breath for it to happen) but NO KILLING OF LITTLE ANIMALS. Incidently this is going to be a big fight cause Jews usually let Orthadox do what they want out of respect, as we should, but NOT on this issue.

AND while Im at it, Its only a teeny weeny tiny fraction of the Orthadox that want that. You can imagine what the Jew haters would DO with this issue.

I have the solution right here..right now...you can SIMULATE whatever the ritual is..by snipping off a piece of hair from the Sheep ...but thats ALL.

Ami (#115)

Here's the story in English.

French singer heckled as 'dirty Jew'

French police said Sunday they planned to investigate an incident where a young Jewish singer was targeted at a concert by anti-Semitic insults, including being called a "dirty Jew."

A regional police official, Gilles Lagarde, said the incident occurred late Saturday in the eastern town of Macon when the 25-year-old entertainer Jennifer Djaoui - known by her stage name Shirel - went on stage to sing a song entitled "Jerusalem".

According to the head of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France, Roger Cukierman, "around 30 young people of North African origin sitting in the front rows started to insult Shirel with cries of 'dirty Jew, death to Jews, we'll kill you'."

Zulubaby,

Thanks

The abusive yelling of the 'North Africans' apparently began when Shirel commenced singing this song titled Jerusalem.

Roger Cukierman who heads the Jewish Council for France CRIF announced that Shirel intends to lodge a legal complaint against "unkonwn" on Monday (2'nd of Februay 2004). Just that same week-end, at the annual dinner organized by the CRIF, France's Premier Jean-Pierre Raffarin had declared "France is obviously not an antisemitic country". As guest of honour Raffarin finished his keynote speech, admonishig Jews in France: "Do not be afraid".

Well now..Isnt that "dirty jew" remark just CHARMING? (More things chaaannngee..ya know) Course Jews are making all this "riise in Antisememtism" up..arent we? G...dammittt!!!

Ami (#118)

All anti-Semites, and I mean this sincerely, should burn in eternal hell. I'm so sick of this! Scum. I'm also sick of the cute little euphemism the French use when talking about Muslims. What's with this "of North African origin" nonsense? Let's not be afraid to correctly identify the enemy. Muslims have become today's Nazis.

"around 30 young people of North African origin sitting in the front rows started to insult Shirel with cries of 'dirty Jew, death to Jews, we'll kill you'."

say it zulu

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Just stumbled across this. ITS HEERRRE!!! The Slaughterhouse in N. Va.