Can't be true.

Must be racism.

The MSA in turn links up to other organizations that are tacitly radical. For example, MSA events frequently feature speakers from the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). Emerson told a congressional committee that "WAMY's U.S. office was incorporated in Falls Church, Virginia in 1992 by Osama bin Laden's brother, Abdullah bin Laden."

"Shocka".

Here's a shocker...

Radical Islam Influencing Chechen Rebels

WAMY

I remember that group from the 80s. Their big hit was Wake Me Up Before You Blow Up

I wish the MSA could serve as an outlet for repressed and frustrated jihadis by offering them an Internet dating service. We'd be a lot better off if we could just get these guys a date.

(#3) Colt

MOSCOW - A Saudi-born warrior so zealously Muslim that he's traumatized by even touching nonbelievers has risen to the top echelon of rebels in Chechnya, Russian officials and rebel sources say, a symbol of how a once-secular fight has come under the influence of radical Islam.

I say lets find some infidels to traumatize the bastard, "racist" freak.

My recipe:

1 tall oak tree + 1 heavy rope + 1 shaky stool

spray the swinging body with 5 gallons of pig's blood

then he will be ready to meet "allah"

#6 SoCalJustice-remember when I posted about my aunt, who would vomit and compulsively wash after shaking a Christian woman's hand or accidentally touch a Bible? Probably not, it was a long time ago. But yes, people are really like that. Fuckin-a!

accidentally touching a Bible.

The suicide bombing buisness is booming.

Saudi Arabia needs a constitutional Democracy with checks and balances of power. Unchecked power by the oil princes gives them free reign over the people they don't tax and worldwide mosques and madrasas they fund.

In the case of Saudi Arabia the problem is no taxation, no representation.

Nothing to see here...move along people...ROP on display..

Nothing to see here...

Hey look a new article on Janet and Michael Jackson!!

#6 SCJ

Notice the lack of scare-quotes around 'non-believers'. Also:

A Saudi-born warrior so zealously Muslim that he's traumatized by even touching nonbelievers

Are they saying that there are, perhaps, some links between intolerance of infidels, murdering them in a bloody fashion, and Islam? What an intriguing notion...

OT - Charles, I like the grey around the quoted text. It looks good.

Looks like MSA is running scared now that the Finance Committee is getting serious they posted this in their forum:

Assalamu alaykum,

I hope that this message finds you all in the best of health and the highest levels of iman.

Below you will find an article that appeared in the Washington Post Wednesday January 14, 2004. I personally find this article disturbing and am concerned of the possible backlash it might create. I wanted to post this message in hopes that you all could offer me and the executive committee sincere feedback concerning this matter. Just to get the ball rolling I am interested in how you feel this will affect individual Muslim students on campuses as well as individual chapters.

Wasalam,
Tarek A. Elgawhary

ps. feel free to email me your personal feedback at: feedback@msa-national.org

(#8) evariste

No! I didn't catch it - sorry to hear that.

No one should tell her that, not matter what, she's constantly "breathing the same air as the kuffars" - she might go into anaphylactic shock.

Colt-

OT - Charles, I like the grey around the quoted text. It looks good.

What? I don't see it.

I'll bet he has plenty of "dates" in jail. Bend over and think of Allan dude.

(#15) Me

"not matter what" should be "no matter what" - maybe I got to close to a Bible myself. ;-)

Slightly OT- FYI, for fellow Bay-Area Daniel Pipes fans. Pipes is speaking on the Berkeley Campus tomorrow, 2/10/04 at 7:30pm PST. The event is free of charge. Something calling itself the Muslim Students Association is set to protest the event.

You call this a story?You should see what they get up to in the U of K!Mad Mullahism.

Slightly OT

UK is in big trouble if/when Prince Charles becomes king:

Charles was warmly welcomed at the Muslim College in Ealing, West London, with the principal describing him as the “most popular world leader to Muslims everywhere”.

Dr Zaki Bedawi praised the Prince for his desire to become the more inclusive Defender of Faiths rather than Defender of Faith when he becomes King.

SoCal,
give it a rest with your spell and grammar chex (did that piss u off?).Most of these people are speaking a foreign language (English).Forgive and forget is what I say.
Now, back to Mad Mullahs and a dating agency...

#16 evariste

Hmm. Then maybe my PC is... what's the technical term? 'Screwed'?

Charles is in total love with Islam.

#19 mickthemick

Pipes is speaking at Berkeley? I hope he has a good bodyguard.

Colt-maybe so, maybe not-are you seeing a different shade of grey than the one that all comments appear in?
Is the quote by Charles from the article in grey, or white?

But not enough to see his kids' half-brother be brought up as one!

Either way I doubt it means your PC's screwed, just...weird?

(#22) Idanopolis

did that piss u off?

Absolutely not, especially coming from someone who has, at best, a tenuous relationship with proper grammar and spelling.

I'll try to maintain your lofty standards.

Cheerio.

#21 papijoe
As King Richard was the Lionhearted, so Charles will be the Dhimmihearted.

SoCal,

It's all 4 u!

#21 papijoe

It's worse than you think.

PRINCE ON ISLAM

‘Islamic countries like Turkey, Egypt and Syria gave women the vote as early as Europe did, and much earlier than Switzerland’

Islam lecture in Oxford, October 1993

‘People in this country frequently argue that Sharia law is cruel, barbaric and unjust. Our newspapers, above all, love to peddle those unthinking prejudices’

Islam lecture in Oxford, October 1993

‘I personally would much rather see it as Defender of Faith, not the Faith, because it means just one particular interpretation of the Faith.

Television documentary, June 1994

‘Everywhere people want to learn English. But, in the West, in turn, we need to be taught by Islamic teachers how to learn with our hearts as well as our heads’

At the Foreign and Commonwealth Office Conference Centre, December 1996

‘I very much wanted to come here to show how much I minded about and cared about the Islamic community in this country’

Visit to an East London mosque, September 2001

‘The need for access to information about the study of Islam has, arguably, never been greater’

Visit to Islamic education centre, January 2004

Link

#26 evariste

When quoting text Charles now uses a grey background. Previously he had a white background. btw i'm using netscape 7.01

#19
Re Dan Pipes Tuesday:

What is even more interesting is the Tzedek clowns from Berkley Hillel are asking Jews to protest Pipe's speech because they claim he is anti-Muslim. The fact is Pipes is not anti-Muslim but anti-militant Islam. This Tzedek group even mentions they are working with the MSA which I understand is funded by the Saudis. Do I smell a fifth column here??? The only ones who claim Pipes is anti-Muslim are the creeps from CAIR and the
Students For Justice In Palestine. We should all turn out and support Pipes if we live in the SF Bay Area...

#23 Colt

I don't See it Either.

The Technical term is H.O.S.E.D.
(Hardware Or Software Error Detected)

#26 evariste

The quote looks to be in the same grey as the grey around the comments.

I think you're right - my PC is just weird.

Charles and his love for Islam is symptomatic of the general pro-Islam media bias in the UK.Only today on the World Service there was half an hour on the 1000 year rule of Caliphate?Is this correct?Was there a unified Caliphate from North Africa to Persia for 1000 years?History buffs please tell!

(#31) Idanapolis

That's a relief, because were it all for the Queen, she'd probably be as dismayed as the day Anne's Terrierist practiced jihad all over her Corgi.

Charles and his love for Islam...

Er...

#36 Colt

Don't worry. You're not alone. I, too, can see the grey round the quote.

We must be, er... special people, who can see grey where no-one else can.

Unless it's something to do with English fog, and only shows up on our computers.

What browser are you using, RC Neo-Jew and Colt? I don't see it in either Opera or IE. I'm gonna try Firebird now, I guess...

#32 colt

Prince Chuckles is an "Arabist"--one of those Brits like T.E. Lawrence in love with the asceticism of Islam and the romance of desert vistas. Considering those rumours we've heard lately about highjinks in the Palace, maybe Charles, like Lawrence, is also keen on the homo-erotic aspects of Arab tribal culture

#39 Colt

People are talking about Ponce Charles... er, Prince Charles... not Charles Johnson.

Charles is in love with Islam as an idea.Its not a sexual love, more a platonic love of mutual understanding.

#40 RC neo-Jew

Phew! As long as it isn't just my PC... :-)

#41 evariste

What browser, he asks... Windows something :-)

Nope, not in Firebird either. Weird, are you guys on macs? I can't get this to happen on any of my windows browsers.

#45 Colt, LOL!
The frustrating thing is that I agree it would look better, and wish I could see it like you guys do. Damn.

#46 evariste

Tsk, tsk, you haven't upgraded to 0.8, aka Firefox, yet?

He wrote using IE5, then quitely shuffled away.

Muslim students are getting a bad rap here.

Muslim students in the USA are very well prepared and are making great contributions to world science. Here is an example, as reported by Fars News:

The American astronauts have found the evidence of splitting the Moon by the holy prophet of Islam creating a surge of interest among Americans and Europeans in Islam... The American astronauts in their latest geological researches came to the conclusion that the planet Moon in a distant past had been split in two halves and it again has come together as a result of an action/reaction... This fact mentioned in a television by a spokesman of a space agency of America was discovered when the American astronauts who wanted to hoist the flag of the USA on the "top" of the Moon were not successful to do that... To find the cause of this problem, the astronauts conducted geological researches and as the consequence it became obvious to them that many years earlier the Moon had been split in two halves and then those halves were rejoined... This news that testifies to the truth of the Quran and the holy prophet of Islam (pbuh) has resulted that many people in Europe and America express their interest to embrace the clear religion of Islam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40208.htm

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades.

The new grey background on Charles' quotes shows up for me. (sbc/yahoo DSL browser)

#42 scaramouche

maybe Charles, like Lawrence, is also keen on the homo-erotic aspects of Arab tribal culture

Perhaps. I've heard rumours that Charles is a convert (in secret, naturally).

#43 Bill Jefferson

Duh! I should know, since I was one of the people to post on the topic :-)

#34 Diogenes
You forgot to include the MSA (the thread topic group!) in your list of those who consider Pipes an Islamophobe. You can also include the MESA (Middle EAstern Studies Assn). Anybody who reads Pipes knows that one of his central themes is "militant Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution". That's hardly an Islamophobe. Pipes' comments are often taken out of context by his critics, probably on purpose. I don't agree with absolutely everything he says, but I subscribe to his mailing list. I think I'll wear my LGF T-shirt to his presentation. I'm preparing for it to get cancelled or moved. This has happened in the past when student groups have demonstrated at his presentations.

#32 Colt

But we already knew that Charlie is mad as a hatter. He preferred Camilla to Diana. And Diana ended up with a muslim. Same muslims that Charlies praises. The horror! The humanity! The ears!

#41 evariste

What browser are you using, RC Neo-Jew and Colt?

Well, I'm using London Fog.

No, not really - IE.

No, the only explanation is that Colt and I are special people. Or it's some sort of Celtic mist. Or, er... I've run out of ideas.

evariste (#8),

Paul of Arabia, an American teaching in the ME, told a story once about coming back from lunch to a bunch of kids huddled in a group taunting and daring a fellow student. To do what? Touch a ham sandwich!

Bill Jefferson, LOL! I didn't even know it was out, thanks for the heads-up! I'll upgrade now.
Although I'm curious about this not working in IE or Opera.

This article amused me, particularly the hypocrit Dahamshe.

Benny Alon calls to convert Muslims to Christianity

amir

Moscow Civic Association 2/9/04 7:30pm Discussion of This Case

Human Rights, a Community Responsibility The discussion will focus on the Patriot Act, the imprisonment of UI student Sami Omar al-Hussayen, and ways the community can promote human rights for all. The panelists will include: Monica Schurtman, spokesperson for the family of Sami Omar al-Hussayen Abdurrahman, representing the UI Muslim Student Association Mary Furnari, Washington State University international student advisor, who will discuss the Homeland Security special visa registration program for international students Liz Brandt, representing the American Civil Liberties Union. The forum will include an opportunity for questions of the panel and a public discussion of the ways this community can promote human rights. The forum is free and the public is encouraged to attend.

#49 Montaigne's Cat

American astronauts found proof that Muhammad split the moon. Where was I that day? Also had to chuckle at that line about Islam being a "clear" religion. Islam is notable for many things, but clarity--especially the clarity of its holy book which is a mass of contradiction--isn't one of them.

(#37) Idanapolis

Was there a unified Caliphate from North Africa to Persia for 1000 years?

Ummayid Caliphate 629-750 (Islam started it's conquest around of the ME around 634-644)
Abbasid Caliphate 750-1258
Seljuk Turks really took over around 1000, but kept the Abbasids in place as figureheads.
The Ottomans, also Turks, took over from the Seljuk/Abbasid collaboration around 1300, but dominated rather than acquiesced to their Arab Caliphate cousins.
The Safavids (Persians Muslims) started coming from the East around 1500 to challenge the Ottomans.
Ottomans started declining around 1600.

But there was something of a unified Arab/Muslim Caliphate from North Africa to Persia from around 700 to 1300 (Ummayid, then Abbasid, then Abbasid/Seljuk).

#49 Montaigne's Cat

Indeed you're right. Furthermore, muslim students in the US have found a way for Astronauts to explore the Sun which--until now--had been thought to be too hot for a landing.

After many calculations--allahu akbar!--the students have found that the solution is to fly there at night! ULULULLULUULULULUULULUULULLUU!

Like do you guys all believe?

#60 SoCalJustice

Thanks for the background. Hmmm, calls to restore the thousand year rei... caliphate, and it's Bush who they say is like Hitler.

Everiste: You HAVE to be kidding about your Aunt. What are we going to do with the level of hatred like you describe? *** Of course it isn't everyone in that world..BUT...good Gawd Almighty...thats alot of hate.

About 2 years ago a "Palestinian Youth" was posting at a Jewish Forum..and he decided that Jews should be put to death for daring to present Humas and Pita at some kind of Food Fair..ie How DARE Jews even prepare this. Ive never forgotten that child. Death..to Jews..for Humas and Pita.

Got a great recipe for it incidentally.

WESTMINSTER TONIGHT and Tomorrow night...USA...This is the BIG..Kahoona, Superbowl, Academy Award Show...of Dog Shows.

#62 The Atheist Zone

Like, some do and some don't - just like anywhere else.

#63 The Athiest Zone

Those who stick around pretty much all believe that radical Islamism (which calls for imposing Islamic belief and Sharia on all people, or else killing them, or both) is generally a bad thing.

There are some conservative and liberal Christians here, as well as some Jews of various religious flavors, moderate Muslims, and agnostics like myself.

Charles described it exactly in title: Fifth Column. Which is what they are. Are these acts of treason?

Article III

Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

#57 amir

I think they should at least try to convert (or, at least, de-jihadise) the terrorists that are captured.

Indeed, their were shades of the Reich in their mention of the 1000 year Caliphate. However, apparently it was extremely moderate-a paradise on earth.However, I find this 1000 year reign hard to believe, and more still that it was a hotbed of tolerance.
In addition, asked if they could recreate one on the 21st century by the interviewer, the Muslim theologian predicted that it would have to increase its borders daily as everyone would flock there.
Anyhow, did this 1000 year Caliphate exist?

I like the grey too. Makes it easy to read.

About Prince Up Chuck, cripes I hope Queen Elizabeth II lives to be as old as her mom and doesn't step down.

#32 Colt

You're right. It is worse.

OT?: IANA Leaves Alliance for Marriage

But John L. Esposito, director of Georgetown University's Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, said ISNA has engaged in interfaith dialogue with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the National Council of Churches, and has frequently been consulted by government officials.

#67 Seymour Paine

Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

If I've read it right, then any Islamist American is guilty of treason. But IANAL.

Situation for Muslims improving in US: moot

The post-9/11 incidents were a bitter experience for the Muslims living in America, which heightened patriotic feelings in them, a teacher from a New York university said while speaking at a seminar on Sunday.

I hope the patriotic feelings were for the US and not for somewhere or something else.

Atheist Zone

Like, believe what?

The posting by a cleric 3 months before the 9/11 attacks is interesting for a number of reasons: 1) it is doubtful that the cleric was in on the operation, because he would have remaind silent; 2) the fact that he sort of just threw it out there in the posting suggests that the idea of using planes as weapons was being tossed around quite requently and rather casually among the savages; 3) lastly, it suggests a MASSIVE intelligence failure on our part.

#68 Colt

I just saw on Israeli television an interview with a Pali woman caught on a suicide mission.

I don't understand why these people are given so much dignity in prison. She doesn't even have to wear a prison uniform.

She was a given ten minutes to justify herself on television. I think she was glorified.

I'm just so frustrated with the prison, with Israeli television and with my prime minister, government and generally almost my entire society which doesn't have the willpower to deal with this threat.

#74 RC neo-Jew

Ok, just a niggle. But...

The post-9/11 incidents...

And:

after the incident of 9/11

'Incident'? Like a car accident or a burglary?

My apologies to Colt

I was responding to him and wrote his name in the name box.

That should be amir.

#77 -

I agree - giving jihadists a platform, and any kind of comfort, goes against everything that the WoT should be about.

BTW, could you use a different nickname? Thanks :-)

#79 amir

No problem :-)

Oh look, Saudi Arabia is going all modern and trendy... in a nineteenth century kind of way. Ministry Studying Feasibility of Having Female Nurses in Ambulances

The main obstacle to implementing the decision of having female paramedics in an ambulance is the requirement that women be accompanied by a mahram (male guardian) and also the possibility of having to go to remote locations...

...On the other hand, a woman’s male relatives often will not allow male paramedics to treat her. “This is a problem we have faced many times. In one incident, for example, a wife died in front of the paramedics’ eyes while they stood helpless because her husband threatened them with a weapon if they came near his wife.”

I wonder what Prince Charles would think of that kind of dilemma? Might have to chat with a few plants and trees about that one.

colt

For a moment there I thought you were talking to yourself.

#83 RC neo-Jew

I wonder what Prince Charles would think of that kind of dilemma?

No, see, we're supposed to give them a pass on this sort of behavior because they "invented" algebra, and so what would all of us do without them?

the Mujahid must kill himself if he knows that this will lead to killing a great number of the enemies, and that he will not be able to kill them without killing himself first, or demolishing a center vital to the enemy or its military force, and so on.

I've always thought that Arafat and Co. thought up this "suicide" thing because it avoids that bad publicity they'd get when their terrorists are caught and tried for their crimes.

The image of a terrorist who kills innocents, confronted by the families of his victims is an image that humanizes the victims - something Palestinian and radical Islamic societies are avoiding at all costs. They'd do anything to avoid letting Muslims see an image that humanizes the kaffir.

Similarly the image of a terrorist who kills innocents, confronted by a jury who finds him guilty of his crimes is an image that validates the justice of the kaffir and points out the injustice of the Islamists position - and they will do anything to avoid letting their people see the legitimacy of our institutions and society.

This is backed up by a lot of reading I've done. The PLO's charter was designed, not to bring rights to the Palestinians, but to prevent peace. In the minds of the Islamists, peace and coexistance is the real threat that must be avoided at all costs.

So far they've succeeded completely. If you read the stories by Israelis and Palestinians at bitterlemons.org, it's pretty clear that Israelis working on building bridges see Palestians as humans, but none of the Palestinian writers, even for a moment, lets himself see the humanity of the Israelis.

It's a propaganda war in their society that we've lost completely so far.

#84 Mar

No, I have some years before going senile :-)

#79 amir
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has done that. I did that to a fellow poster who also starts with "R" and I still get their nic as an option everytime I start to write mine. Keeps me humble.

#78 Colt

Well, if you think death is preferable to life, and the lives of those who are not members of your religion are worth nothing, then it could be dismissed as an 'incident', I suppose. Or maybe if you were in denial about the part played by members of your religion in a major atrocity, in case it reflected badly on that religion, you might also lightly dismiss it as an 'incident'.

#83 RC Neo-Jew

There is a concept in Judaism called the hasid shoteh, or pious fool. The classic example given is a man who will not save a woman from drowning because men are not supposed to have physical contact with women. Saving life takes precedence.

Except here. Helluva system of priorities -- the man in this situation ends up with a pure, dead wife.

To #37-=-adding on to socal justice

The caliphate continued in weakened form up until 1920 when (I think) it was Kemal Ataturk who closed it down. After 1453, the caliph generally ruled from Constantinople. Generally the caliph rule was about as tidy as medieval papal rule (Multiple caliphs with political and geographic rivalries)

#19 mickthemick

Damn! Wish I lived in the bay area. Pipes is a genius. I would love to go there and when he gets heckled to tell the hecklers to shut the f%^& up.

#89 RC neo-Jew

I hate trying to distinguish between the two. I wish they'd make it clearer.

#42 scaramouche

If you are right, and my gut tells me you nailed it, then the release for Lawrence of Arabia was one of the biggest PR coups for Islam ever.

I think Islam is filling the existential vacuum in Europe.

OT, ever since the revelation about Kerry's sailboat, I hear strains of "Bohemian Rhapsody" when I see your posts

Sorry, can't help it.

Israeli security expert to Israeli TV: Israeli nuke information available on the web.

#85 BH

Actually, the Indians invented Algebra, the Arabs merely transported it to Europe.

OT: Pakistani Honor Killing & Honor Maiming
1) Woman Shot & Killed by Brother for "Illicit Affair"
2) Woman's Legs Amputated by Brother-In-Law for "Illicit Affair"

#92 Jimmy2 You can join Pipes mailing list at danielpipes.org. He speaks all over the country, frequently on college campuses. He may come to a town near you. He notifies folks on his email list of his speaking engagements. You'll also receive his articles, which are usually worth the read. If you don't want to be on his mailing list you can still get the articles and his lecture dates from the website.

#89 RC-nj

the lives of those who are not members of your religion are worth nothing

The problem with the RoP is that the lives of those who ARE members of their religion are worth nothing.

While Israel releases hundreds of prisoners to release one live person and three dead ones, the RoP is sending young mothers on suicide/murder missions.

Nothing more needs to be said.

#88 Renna. We should form a club.
And, it's been said many times, but utilizing the preview button can solve a lot of problems.

amir

#85 BH

No, see, we're supposed to give them a pass on this sort of behavior because they "invented" algebra, and so what would all of us do without them?

And you can forgive someone anything if they split the moon and then join it together again. We owe them so much for that. I mean, Neil Armstrong might have fallen off the edge of the moon if the two halves hadn't been thoughtfully fastened together again. Phew, what a narrow escape.

#76 terp-law

Shocking as 9/11 was, flying planes into buildings had been done, albeit on a smaller scale. I think there were a couple times during the Clinton administration when small planes were flown into the White House, but did no damge.

I'm still waiting to have explained some comment I heard in the week following 9/11 that the date was an obvious choice. Maybe when Michael Moore's new film comes out to explain why we deserved it.

OT
Muslim scolar gets post at Notre Dame

Supposed to be a moderate, basically the "Slick Willy" of Islam.

...doing a cyber happy dance at first hat-tip :)

Just read some lyrics by a Brit Muslim rapper, wildly popular among UK Muslims:

Dirty Kuffar

"Peace to Hamas and the Hizbollah
OBL (Osama...) pulled me like a shining star
Like the way we destroyed the two towers ha-ha
The minister Tony Blair, there my dirty Kuffar
The one Mr Bush, there my dirty Kuffar
Throw them on the fire"

Lovely--the joy of how "we destroyed the WTC and the reference to throwing them "on the fire."

Muslim art imitates Muslim life.

#101 Bill Jefferson - 9-11-1948, the founder of Pakistan, Jinnah, died. I think it's a holiday there. Probably nothing really to it, but I found it interesting.

# 95 evariste

Although Israel has firmly adhered to a policy of "nuclear ambiguity", never confirming or denying it possessed nuclear weapons, foreign experts believe the Jewish state holds at least 200 atomic warheads.

When Israel really needs those nuclear warheads, we're all going to learn that that building in Dimona REALLY IS nothing more than a textile plant.

Amir

#104 observer-sure, here's the lgf thread with the video.

(#102) papijoe

That's Notre Dame's worst hire since George O'Leary.

Good news:

U.S. Criticizes Palestinians Over Bombing Trial

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Israel criticized a Palestinian trial for the suspected killers of three Americans, saying Monday it should not be held behind closed doors and the charges should be tougher.

"We don't believe that this is the way to proceed. We want to see an open trial," said Kurtzer, when asked about the hearing at a convention of American rabbis in Jerusalem.

"We're not even sure that the charge sheet ... reflects the gravity of the crime. The charge sheet seems to implicate these individuals for involuntary manslaughter instead of what we would call first-degree murder," Kurtzer said.

No charge sheet was made public during the trial and a military prosecutor said only that the four were involved in planting bombs to target Israeli troops that "might have led to the killing of the Americans."

Hopefully, we'll keep up the blackmail pressure.

#107, evariste

Oops--missed that. Thanks. Saw it in German weekly, DIE ZEIT.
Probably 20 years behind in pop music. I'm told to consider myself lucky. (My first exposures to US pop music in the 1950s were Sinatra, Peggy Lee...)

#108 SoCalJustice

*gasp*

He lied about being a Muslim too?

papijoe #102

Tariq Ramadan is the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He is considered to be a leader of this group in Europe. Do you wonder why he's coming to the States? Notre Dame is being disingenuous when they say charges of antiSemitism against him are unfounded. In France, Bernard-Henri Levy has been all over his case. The French press is divided along predictable lines.

Congrats WriterMom. :-)

SoCalJustice (#109)

I'm more interested in seeing what evidence they have against the four men they miraculously managed to arrest.

(#114) zulubaby

Evidence? They don't need no stinking evidence.

In fact, I'm fairly sure the concept of "evidence" is foreign to the Palestinian Authority "legal" system.

SoCalJustice (#115)

Do they really think we're that stupid? Obviously they do. I hope the US doesn't let them get away with these pathetic lies.

112 Montaigne's Cat

Good G-2. Thanks. Any ND alums out there want to give them a piece of your mind next time they call for a donation?

(#116) zulubaby

Do they really think we're that stupid?

To be perfectly fair, we have often given them reason to believe that, in fact, we are that stupid.

Here's hoping this time we play it smart.

Amir:

Posilutely easier said than done ESTD
(I smell dead Christian missionaries if they try)

Tourism Minister Benny Elon (National Union) called on a group of Christian missionaries from the United States last week to take steps to convert Muslims to Christianity. "Go from mosque to mosque and show the Muslims the light," Elon was quoted as saying, Maariv reported.

Elon warned the missionaries from any attempt to convert Jews, suggesting that they turn their attention to Muslims instead. "All the Muslim murderers who have forgotten it is forbidden to murder, turn them into believing Christians and into good people," Elon said.

Elon's media adviser, Sagiv Rotenberg, confirmed the minister's statements but said Elon had not intended to attack all Muslims, only those "who preach to murder and carry out suicide attacks." (and which Muslims would those be? Ed)

Speaking to Israel Radio on Sunday, Elon said, "It would be better that these people are converted to Christianity, which is based on the Bible and recognizes our rights" to the Holy Land. "If everyone understands that the Jewish people who have returned to their land are not colonialists but are people who are fulfilling what is written in the Bible, then things will be different.

to:101--planes into White House under Clinton. I recall somebody landed one there, (Just like som european did in the kremlin square) I recall the joke--What's the difference between the white house lawn and the new Denver airport? You can land a plane at the white house.

#73 Colt

It could be interpreted that way. While I believe it is so, I think its way too much of a reach. Still, if the day comes when we (correctly) label SA as an enemy state, then maybe 80% of the mosques can be closed under Article III.

BTW: I forget: What is IANAL?

OT:
Photo of John Kerry at 70s Hippy conference?

(In the fuzzy background, right above the head of Jane Fonda.)

OT:
The latest Honest Reporting communique discusses the photograph Charles posted in the Lights, Camera, Action! thread. (No hat tip for LGF this time, though).

(#122) Outsider

ג'ון קרי

ג'יין פונדה

So it is. Both in their pre-Botox days.

#95   evariste

Why do they have to call Israel the "Jewish state", but never refer to any other countries in the middle east as the "Muslim state"? There are a hell of a lot more Muslim citizens in Israel than Jewish citizens in any Muslim state.

And yes, it's a rhetorical question.

#121 Seymour Paine (I prefer Seymour Butts, myself)-IANAL=I am not a lawyer.

#122   Outsider

He sure is French-looking. He served in Vietnam, by the way.

OT -- you may have seen this before, but it says a lot and I thought it was worth posting.

The Global Islamic population is aproximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.

They received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1957 - Albert Camus
1988 - Najib Mahfooz.

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat
2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Physics:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

The Global Jewish population is aproximately 14,000,000 or about 0.02% of the world population.

They received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charle s Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Mars! hall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

Physics:
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1995 - Martin Perl

The Jews are not demonstrating with their dead on the streets, yelling and chanting and asking for revenge, the Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. The Jews don't have the economical strength of the Petroleum, nor the possibilities to force the world's media to see "their side" of the question. Perhaps if the world's Muslims could invest more in normal education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems, we could all live in a better world.

#127

Which side?

127 Lets Roll

Being so French you wouldn't think JFK would be brave enough to serve in Vietnam, but then he came home and protested it very Rachel pancakes like.

papijoe:

Check out Dhimmi Watch and Merde in France for the skinny on TR. The guy has circulated list of French Jooos to be "watched" (wink! wink! nudge! nudge!)

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

[Link: merdeinfrance.blogspot.com...]

Even "Le Nouvel Observateur", a "chic left" rag has fingered him as an agent of the so-called "muslim brotherhood" organisation. Of course, "Le Nouvel Obs"--as it's known in France--make a point to make the invitation of TQ to "teach" in US universities (spit on these commies 5th column scumbags) is a conspiracy of the US State Dept. We would expect no less from the NO or the rest of the French press.

I have said this before but I'll say it again: allowing this guy to get entry into the US and befoul our soil of his presence (let alone allowing him to spew his venom) is a testimony on how weak and stupid we have been rendered by the PC who run this country.

Elias James Corey
Peter Brian Medawar

Lets Roll- sure that isn't a list of Arab Nobel prize winners?. Elias James and Peter Brian don't sound like Islamic names, unless they converted.

#128 Let's Roll

I know Camus lived in Algeria, but he wasn't a Muslim.

Was he?

Not trying to be pedantic, now you have me wondering.

So, would that be the Elon Plan B?

128

Yeah, what papijoe said.

#128 Let's Roll

Holy cow! Great post. Why are there two lists for physics, though??

Ed you better not be surfing for pr0n, but if you find some please link it.

OT- Iran Endorses Kerry

Interesting article which posits that the Mullahs are waiting to see (and hoping!) if JFK can topple the Bush regime. (via [Link: www.mypetjawa.blogspot.com)...]

I can see it now. Iran-Contra redefined. Can anyone say Iran-Kerrygate??

Rusty, will you quit spamming us with your blog? Linking it in your nick is generally considered sufficient. Thanks.

#139 Oops. Apologies for lack of manners.

It's no problem, I'm glad you understand. I wanted to say something earlier but I never seemed to be there at the same time as you and I didn't want to seem like I was trying to start something, I like you :-)

(#128) Let's Roll

FWIW, one of this year's winners in the physics category, Vitaly Ginzburg (he shared it with two colleagues) is also Jewish.

And your list needs to be updated to account for these MoT whizkids:

Physics:
1996 David Lee
1997 Claude Cohen-Tannoudj
2001 Zhores I. Alfefov

Medicine:
1997 Stanley Prusiner
1998 Robert Furchgott
2000 Eric Kandel
2000 Paul Greengard
2002 Robert Horvitz
2002 Sydney Brenner

Chemistry:
1994 George Olah
1998 Walter Kohn

Economics:
1994 John Harsanyi
1997 Myron Scholes
2001 Joseph Stiglitz
2001 George Akerlof
2002 Daniel Kahneman

Literature:
2002 Irme Kertesz

Not that anyone's counting, btw (ok, so they are counting).

Israeli Science and Technology Homepage

#98 mickthemick

Thanks for the tip!

#94 papijoe
You're not the first to have noted the Queen reference (and I don't mean Lizzy). BTW, I have always misread your nic as "papajoe" not "papijoe". I guess I thought you were the male equivalent of WriterMom.

#125 Let's Roll

Why do they have to call Israel the "Jewish state", but never refer to any other countries in the middle east as the "Muslim state"?

I like to call at least some of them the "Arab Entities".

OT

5th Pillar of Islam is a tourist trap (that is, when it's not alternating as a death trap):

Saudi Arabia rakes in 1.38 billion dollars from foreign pilgrims

MUST READ

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Iran"have decided to take out the reformists, having decided that Bush is unlikely to be reelected, and therefore willing to risk US ire, which, as far as they are concerned, will be limited to words if Bush is no longer president."

#128 Let's Roll and #142 SoCalJustice:
I think all that proves is that Joos control the world.

#142 SoCalJustice

;they; still ain't gonna like us

P.S. I see the grey around Charles's quotes (don't especially care for it, myself). I'm using IE 6 on a Dell Inspiron laptop.

#146 ploome

the original article can be found here Iran Endorses Kerry

Call me selfish, but when you call the scoop (aka, #138) you gots to give yourselves the props. /end pomposity

re: my #149 ...and I'm posting from Canada, not the UK.

cba-Damn! I must be the only one :-) Maybe I'll reboot or something.

#148 ploome:
Of course they still ain't gonna like us. The more successful we are, the more they hate us.

(#148) ploome

;they; still ain't gonna like us

Still? Hell, that's exactly why they hate us.

Oh, and people like Let's Roll and myself posting those accomplishments - that gets under certain people's skin as well. ;-)

#145 SoCalJustice

The figure isn't so impressive when you consider that we're talking about enforced tourism. To be considered a good Muslim, one has to visit the Magic Kingdom at some point. It's not like it was selected over other some other vacation spot--"hey, Abdul, Punta Cana is booked this week, let's take the kids to Mecca." I'd be more impressed if they actually had a choice in the matter.

Ed, Rusty, ploome and others who linked the Iran story.

I wonder if the IRI has contributed to the DNC. hmmm?

SoCal

true that!

RE- Iran-Kerrygate--how the story unfolds

1) Majles-e-Shura-ye-Eslami passes Ayatollah Boland Amendment, prohibiting the funding of the Bush resistance forces.
2) Iran sells arms to hostage-takers in Lebanon.
3) Money is illegally diverted to "moderates" in the U.S.
4) Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khameini denies knowledge of contributions to the Kerry campaign.
5) Courageous Colonel in the Revolutionary Guards Corps takes the fall.

156 Ms. Andi

must re elect Bush

(#155) scaramouche

Good point. I think it only works out to around $7 per Hajjster anyways.

#128 Let's Roll

- Albert Camus was a militant atheist.
- Elias James Corey is of Lebanese Christian origin, and was awarded the 1990 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
- Sir Peter Brian Medawar's father was a Lebanese Christian. He never converted to Islam.
- While Ferid Murad's father was Muslim, he himself was raised in a Catholic community and was baptized Episcopalian in college.

By the way, while Ahmed Zewail is a Muslim, he was awarded in 1999 the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

(Have a look at the biographies and autobiographies from the Nobel site, [Link: www.nobel.se)...]

"Tolerance counseling" = Stalinist reeducation

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

'Tolerance Counseling'

A philosophy professor at Lakeland Community College near Cleveland, Ohio, has been removed from his post for not disguising his deeply held Catholic beliefs, reports the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

FIRE says James Tuttle’s troubles began in May 2003 when a student complained to administrators that the professor mentioned his Catholic beliefs too often in class and suggested that he needed "counseling for tolerance."

Following the complaint, Dr. Tuttle added disclaimers to the syllabi of two of his classes informing students that the professor was "a committed Catholic Christian philosopher and theologian." He also encouraged students who felt uncomfortable with his views to talk to him outside of class.

Administrators said they were troubled by the disclaimer and suggested that Dr. Tuttle would "be happier in a sectarian classroom." His course load (and pay) was subsequently reduced and his classes were monitored by a fellow professor.

#155/#157

And can it really be called tourism when you try to get a ticket and they won't even let you in? Or is it just bad marketing? I mean, I called my travel agent and she said my kind wasn't welcome. See, that's just bad business. I would have rode all the rides. Heck, I would have bought the "E" ticket!

#154 SoCalJustice

Oh, and people like Let's Roll and myself posting those accomplishments - that gets under certain people's skin as well. ;-)

Yup - mine. Maronites, Episcopalians and atheists are not Muslims. Grow your own Nobels.

#147 - cba

I think all that proves is that Joos control the world.

"The Jews" don't control the world.

They are an Israeli heavy metal band who have a strong core of followers.
They *might* be bent on world domination though.

Outsider, LOL!
Can someone that reads Hebrew tell me which of those little boxes to click to listen to some of Hayehudim's music?

#165 Outsider,

"The Jews" don't control the world.

Now you tell me. I've been going around for weeks telling people we control the world!

#165 Outsider:
Amazing how many Israeli pop/rock artists got their start in lahakot zva'iot, isn't it?

I wonder how long Orit and Tom will stay married.
/cynical about the marriages of entertainment types

#124 - SoCalJustice
Thanks. Just wanted to make sure the photo was for real.

#127 - Lets Roll
You don't say! :-)

#129 - Bill Jefferson
LOL!

#166 evariste:
The third box from the RIGHT is Discography. I'm guessing that the songs listed with little symbols by them play when clicked. But I didn't check them out.

#128

Interesting list.

I am fairly sure that Elias James Corey is a Christian of Lebanese background. His Nobel biography mentions the adversity faced by his Christian grandparents in Lebanon under Ottoman rule. Also, Peter Brian Medawar is half Lebanese and, given his first and middle names, is possibly Christian. I think the list may overstate the contribution of adherents of the Religion of Pieces.

#166 - Evariste
see #170 - cba.
This is a song called "Mehapes Tshuva" - "Looking for an answer", a rather mainstream rock song, though the shouting & screaming doesn't begin up to about the middle of it.

#167 - PDM
*Whispers*
no silly, we're supposed to be a secret cabal, remember?
I'm just confusing the gentiles, mmmkay?

#168 - cba
They aren't mainstream artists yet, so I suppose they still have time together. Ego won't get in the way in the time being.
Most of the army bands no longer exist by the way, budget cuts. The future generation of musicians will probably skip the army altogether.
Maybe this means we're turning "normal", with self loathing artists just like any other western country.

#170 cba-thanks! They're damn good, btw. I wish I knew what he was singing, he's got a good singing voice.

But when Camus died, he asked for a priest. By his existential philosophy, that would make him a Christian.--although nothing prior to that point would have indicated that.

cba

evariste

Outsider

I am really glad that ya'll don't work for Rolling Stone or Spin, because you don't know what
a good band is.

#175 RWC:

am really glad that ya'll don't work for Rolling Stone or Spin

I'm glad I don't, too!

#176 cba

I know, I know. But those are the only 2 music mags I know off the top off my head. ;-)

RWC-LOL! I moused-over and immediately knew what you were linking, Yatta's one of my favorite freaky internet phenomena. "It's so easy...happy go rucky!"

#178 evariste

Dude, I think you have seen just about everything on the internet now. ;-)

now, why can't I get this out of my head - Yatta yatta - make something up here

Right Wing Conspirator, I probably have :-)
Speaking of freaky internet things, did I show you this horror?

#173 - evariste

This is a quick translation of the words here.

I ought to mention that the phrase "Mehapes Teshuva" means "looking for an answer" but also has a religious meaning - it implies trying to get back to g-d, it all depends on your interpertation.

It's true and I have no solution
I'm now alone I'm afraid of death
Life, what did they leave in me, oh some scars in the side
Keep praying, the deaf one above
They say he hears anyone

Oh I'm waiting here
Oh I'm waiting here

*Chorus*
How come I'm looking for an answer and can't find
How come the light always turns off when I cry
How come I'm looking for an answer and can't find
How come it always turns black if I cry...
*end Chorus*

It's true, mainly recently I seem different
I fly to the sky with a [pill]/[bullet] or two
What do I need this for
Fortunate is the man who has g-d in him
Because mine I can't find in a long time

Oh I'm waiting here
Oh I'm waiting here

*Chorus*
I cry

And in a temple with no light I pray
The blackness above I ask

*Chorus*
I'm afraid

#175 - RWC

LOL! What in the name of Allah was that?!?!

177 RWC:
Actually, I meant to refer to my advanced age and the fact that I'm not really into heavy metal. Even in my youth I didn't care for it that much. In fact, for many years I thought that Iron Butterfly number was "In the Garden of Eden" baby, ya know what I mean?

#182 - cba

It's not necessarily connected to age.
The parents of a past friend of mine listened to heavy-metal.
The poor guy had to listen to classical music as a part of his teenage rebellion against his parents.

#179 - RWC
"Yatta-Yatta" me to.
I feel dirty after just 10 seconds of that video.
I think I'm going to wash myself. And it's 02:14 AM here.

#183 Outsider:
LOL!

I listened to a lot of classical music as a youngster, because I was a SUCK! I still enjoy it, although I don't think I've passed that along to my kids.

I remember one time when I was in a foul mood so I put on one of my favourite symphonies, From the New World, cranked up reeeally loud, punching the air along with the beats: "DUM-dah-dah DUM-dah-DUM, DUM-DUM-dah-dah-DUM!" Then I heard my older daughter (probably about 10 years old) say to her sister, "Oh, oh, Mummy's got her angry music on!"

Of course, there was the time when I was in music class at school when I was about 14, and the teacher asked us to close our eyes because she was going to ask us what we thought of as we listened to the music. She then played the opening few minutes of the Pastoral Symphony. To my horror, I saw in vivid detail a steaming bowl of chicken soup with kneidlach--I could even smell it! That's because it was one of our Friday night favourite records to play (after we'd made kiddush--OK, totally un-Shabbosdik, I have no excuses).

Luckily the teacher wasn't going to call on me if it was one of the rare occasions when I didn't volunteer (did I mention that I was a suck?) so I was safe!

Although they don't like classical music, my kids do have otherwise eclectic tastes, ranging from Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald, through the Beatles and Don Maclean [they hate the Madonna version of American Pie, yay!] to all kinds of modern groups that I've barely heard of.

#133 papijoe 2/9/2004 01:57PM PST

FYI, Albert Camus was of French descent and was raised from an early age in Algeria (Algeria was a French colony at that time). After completing his university education in Algeria he moved to France and became a journalist/writer. Some of his short stories/novels describes events that took place in Algeria. He espoused some form of existentialism and believed that life is in essence meaningless.

#21 papajoe --"UK is in big trouble if/when Prince Charles becomes king:"

The Royals have become little more than an entertainment spectacle on the order of Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake.

Nothing the little inbreds do will surprise or shock me. That's why it's a good thing they are powerless. Time for the Brits to cut his allowance.

The world would be a better place if all the kings in the Islamic world were equally as powerless.

#180 evariste

What. The. F**k. Was. That.
Take a sledgehammer to her computer, NOW. Then take her out to dinner and drop a match in that dump.

#182 cba

Wow. I thought everyone had their heavy metal stage. Guess not. And probably not too many people do, but most of my friends have. Those are the pictures that I burned that for some reason I can't seem to find anywear.

#183 Outsider

I'm sorry. Didn't know it was that late for you. Probably going to wake up in cold sweats because of the nightmare of a gang of happy Japanese men wearing leaves dancing around you.

anywhere

PIMF (sometimes)

#185 Miri

I thought so, but I only read the bio notes in my copy of The Stranger in college. Thanks for the info

#174 levi from queens

But when Camus died, he asked for a priest

Wow, didn't know that. There was another French Enlightenment wiseacre who did the same thing, can't remember the name, but he wrote a book of fables.
I'm glad to hear Camus dropped the existentialist schtick at the end, so depressing. Sartre was the worst.

I've done some investigative work on the MSA, mainly in conjunction with the activities of Bill Baker, the neo-nazi public speaker.

My conclusion is that at a *national* level, it really is something of a loose, apolitical umbrella organization and is not overtly jihadi -- its executive director is a woman, for example.

It is at the local level that things get interesting, and confusing. Some MSA's, like at Penn, are touchy-feelie liberals who invite Hillel to tea.

At UCI, the MSA specialized in screaming and chasing Jewish students around campus until the administration was threatened with a lawsuit.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of jihadis belonging to MSA chapters, even dominating them. The problem is that another chapter might be run by Sufis whose idea of jihad is whirling in a circle.

Jihadis should be expelled immediately, and chapters that reflect their views should be shut down. What to do about the national organization -- i just don't know.

Hope Charles doesn't mind me plugging these guys again, but I got an update from Jim Hake from Spirit of America ( OK, actually it was a form letter), who is organizing the fundraising for the First Marine Division to bring medical and school supplies and frisbees to the people of Iraq:

On January 21st at Camp Pendleton in California 40 volunteers and 50 Marines worked together to prepare the donated goods for shipment to Iraq. All the goods carried the message "A gift of friendship from the American people."

Details on the Pendleton event, photos, resulting press coverage, an accounting of donations and how they were spent can be found at the site below

These goods will be distributed in Iraq by the Marines in March and April and with more information from the Marines on the most needed items we'll move into Phase 2 of our support. Any help you can provide at that time in getting the word out to potential contributors will be greatly appreciated. Of course, we are still accepting donations at the link above so that we're ready when the 1st Marine Division makes the next request.

We'll be providing more updates as we have them. Please let me know if you have any questions and, again, thank you for your support.

With Best Regards,
Jim Hake
Founder, Spirit of America
[Link: www.spiritofamerica.net...]

To: all concerned.

Sorry about any incorrect info from those lists (btw, the first "Physics" in the Jewish portion is supposed to be "Chemistry"). I didn't research them; I'm just forwarding it from my aunt. She lives in Florida. So she's probably among the people that voted for Buchanan by mistake.

#128 Let's Roll

Strike Camus:

Albert Camus was born in Mondovi, Algeria to French Algerian (pied noir) settler family. His mother was of Spanish extraction. His father Lucien died in the Battle of Marne in 1914 during the First World War. Camus lived in poor conditions during his childhood in Belcourt section of Algiers.

(from some googled website). He was 1/2 French, 1/2 Spanish.

So, the Moslim list shrinks and shrinks. There were probably more Jewish (and/or American) Nobel prize winners born in the Bronx than in the entire Moslem world.

#178 evariste

"It's so easy...happy go rucky!"

LOL. Thanks for the lyrics. I didn't even know the beginning.

alright evariste

You seen this one.

yeah, probably.

RWC, complete lyrics, they're actually pretty delightful:

G R Double-E N Leaves
G R Double-E N Leaves

It's so easy! Happy-go-lucky!
We are the world! We did it!
Hyuu! Hyuu! Hyuu! Hyuu! Osu! Osu! Osu! Osu! (Ai!)
Yatta! Yatta!
Daigaku gohgaku
Yatta! Yatta!
Shachoh shuunin
Happa ichimai areba ii. Ikite iru kara lucky da!

Yatta! Yatta!
Tohsen kakujitsu
Yatta! Yatta!
Nihon daihyoh
Yannaru kurai kenkoh da.
Everybody say yatta!

Nippon kyuukyuu (demo)
Ashita wa wonderful
Ijiwaru saretemo futon haireba
Guu guu guu guu! Pass pass pass pass (Ohayo--!)

Yatta! Yatta!
Kuujikan suimin
Yatta! Yatta!
Neoki de jump
Donna ii koto aru daroh ikite ita kara lucky da!

Yatta! Yatta!
Kimi ga kawareba
Yatta! Yatta!
Sekai mo kawaru
Marugoshi dakara saikoh da massugu tattara kimochi ii--!

O-mizu nondara umee! (Yatta!)
Hi ni atattara attakee! (Yatta!)
Koshi kara warattara omoshiree! (Yatta! Yatta!)
Inu-katte mitara kawaii! (Yatta!)

[Repeat]

Surechigai-zama hohoemi kureta
Nido to aenaku-tatte ii kimi ga ita kara lucky da!

Heisei fukyoh seiji fushin
Reset sae surya saikoh da! Minna iru kara tanoshii--!

Yatta! Yatta!
Daigaku kyohshitsu
Yatta! Yatta!
Movie star
Happa ichimai areba ii. Minna issho da happy da!

Yatta! Yatta!
Iki wo sueru
Yatta! Yatta!
Iki wo hakeru
Yannaru gurai kenkoh da! Everybody say yatta!

[Repeat *]
Bye-Q!

English

G R Double-E N Leaves
G R Double-E N Leaves
It's so easy! Happy-go-lucky!
We are the world! We did it!
Whoo! Whoo! Whoo! Whoo! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! (Unh!)

All right! All right!
We're doin' great in college!
All right! All right!
Made president at our jobs!
Long as we've one leaf on, we're doin' fine! Hey, we're lucky just 'cause we're alive!

All right! All right!
We've been confirmed for the prize!
All right! All right!
We're representing Japan!
We're so healthy, it just makes ya sick!
Everybody say "All right!"

Japan's got crises (but)
Tomorrow's wonderful
Even if somebody's mean to us, we just go to bed and
Snore! Snore! Snore! Snore! Pass! Pass! Pass! Pass! (Good morniiing!)

All right! All right!
We got nine hours of sleep!
All right! All right!
Woke up and jumped outta bed
What kinda great things might await us now? Hey, we're lucky just 'cause we're alive!

All right! All right!
If there's a change in you
All right! All right!
Then the whole world will change too.
Getting through it unhurt's the best of all. Just stand up straight because it feels greeeaat!!

I drink water that's tasty! (All right!)
I get in the sun and feel toasty! (All right!)
Havin' a belly laugh's fun! (All right! All right!)
Try keeping dogs--they're cute! (All right!)

[Repeat]

As we brushed past each other, you favored me with a smile.
It's okay if we never meet again. I'm lucky you were here just for a while!

We've got recession these days...in goverment we've no faith.
Could we hit "reset," that'd be number one! And since we're all here, it's just so much fun!

All right! All right!
In university class
All right! All right!
We've got a movie star!
Long as we've one leaf on, we're doin' fine! We're all together, it's a happy time!

All right! All right!
Long as we still can breathe in...
All right! All right!
Long as we still can breathe out...
We're so healthy, it just makes ya sick!
Everybody say "All right!"

[Repeat]

Bye-Q!

and here's the Flash parody, which comes close to being as funny as the original. Their attempts at transcribing the lyrics are especially hilarious.

Oops, I guess you already saw it :-) Never mind.

#197 evariste

Like I said, probably have seen it ;-)

That song just makes me want to jump and kick my heels together. Woo hoo. Super happy hilarious fun-time mega cheer song !!

All the Yatta talk reminded me of Albino Blacksheep, a site I haven't visited in awhile. I found Nintendo Bloopers which for some reason I found hilarious.