And still the Russians want to give Iran the bomb... what was it the English said: Pride cometh before the fall?

When will Russia realize whose side it should be on?

FH, Proverbs 16:18

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

The Chechens were indeed responsible. By letting Wahhabists like al-Ghamidi to direct their terrorist operations, they have pissed away all of their rightful grievances against 200 years of Russian and Soviet imperialist tyranny. That doesn't matter now; by letting the international jihadis in, they have doomed their cause and must be crushed.

Somewhat OT:

Ugh. 2 GIs Killed Disposing of Iraq Explosives

Reaganite--if you're reading this; my sympathies for your colleagues and their loved ones. Stay safe.

Well, I can see his logic. If the Russians chose in free and fair elections to put into power leaders who promised to engage in certain activities, shouldn't they suffer the benefits, and results of aforementioned actions?

Remember when the Russians were scary? Now it seems you can take Red Square with two dozen scimitar-wielding friends riding camels. And just how screwed up are things when you'd rather have Kruschev back than Khomeni?

There is some question about who has been responsible in the past for bombings in Russia, and some accusations that the FSB has committed them to gain political power.

[Link: www.cdi.org...]

Obviously it could just be a crackpot theory, but at least the Russians have an actual history of slaughtering their own people for political gain.

The ONE thing the (vile, cretinous) left has been right about over the past couple of years is their assertion that "... most of the hijackers were Saudis so why aren't we attacking Saudi Arabia?" Even though they only use it as a rhetorical club and wouldn't even contemplate supporting an attack on the Saudis, the question must be asked: Why are all of these governments allowing the Saudi Death Cult to proliferate? It's really weird.

Gordon?

OT
This is ripe for YAAARGH style remixing.
[Link: www.tndp.org...]

And is it me or do you hear some ululululululululu mixed in with the claps and screams at the end??

“We consider all Russian people warriors because they elected this leadership when it pledged to crush the Chechen people. God willing they will pay for their fight with their blood and their sons.”

OK asshole, how's about we consider all muslims targets because they follow leaders like you? Works for me...

The family that kills together thrills together. The Russians have their al-Ghamidis; we Canadians have our Khadrs. It's so heartwarming when extracurricular activities can kill some infidels and bring families together. (What was it Tolstoy said? "All happy families are alike, but families of murderous jihadis are unlike any others." Or something to that effect.)

#4 Gordon :

The Chechens were indeed responsible. By letting Wahhabists like al-Ghamidi to direct their terrorist operations, they have pissed away all of their rightful grievances against 200 years of Russian and Soviet imperialist tyranny. That doesn't matter now; by letting the international jihadis in, they have doomed their cause and must be crushed.

Would you feel the same way if Russia were a Jewish nation?

(#3) evariste

You were pretty quick with that. That type of wisdom would have made your aunt vomit, no?

Or was vomiting reserved for touching the New Testament?

Let's hope they build another Chernobyl for the Iranians.

# 8 cameo

Hmmm, the FSB was responsible for the Moscow bombings, GWB and co. were responsible for 9/11 and Sharon is behind the suicide attacks. I'm glad for that as it looks like if we got rid of a handful of people, it would be over. WHEW.

#14 SoCalJustice:
I'd be surprised if she found the Jews less vomit-inducing than Christians.

But maybe I should let evariste answer for his aunt :-)

Shouldn't we really be blaming this on Clinton? After all, if you can redefine what the word "is" why not "innocent" and "civillian" or "murder" and "non-combatent"? Maybe "evil" should be the next word we crack.

SoCalJustice-LOL! I just knew it was Biblical, so I hit up Google real quick and it came right up :-)

cba, she's never met a Jew, she lives in Jordan.

#14 SoCalJustice

Or was vomiting reserved for touching the New Testament?

Reading this story about another holy book nearly inspired a similar reaction from me. Well, not the contents of the book, so much as it's rather unusual ink.

Calligrapher forced to write Koran in blood

Calligrapher Abbas Shaker Jawdah, renowned across the Arab world for his masterpieces, spoke this week about his worst commission ever – to transcribe the Koran in what he was told was the blood of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

His wife, Najah, said she used to get “goose bumps” each time she opened the refrigerator in their kitchen where her husband kept Saddam’s blood vials.

/Turns very pale

well there went that 0.01% chance that it wasnt a [bigoted word]... cant say I'm shocked

#21 RC neo-Jew

I wonder if there was some blood left over. I could have used it for my Purim pastries.

#9 Maximum Leader - It's all about oil. Russia has plenty of it, but right now it costs too much to extract and refine it.

#13 Model 4 - Checkmate.

(#17) cba

I'd be surprised if she found the Jews less vomit-inducing than Christians.

Ah yes. I should remember the rightful pecking order of vomit inducing peoples. Clearly we hold the top spot for members of the RoP®.

Makes me angry with all that "People of the Book" bunk my LLL teachers drummed into my head as a kid.

(#19) evariste

Someone should tell your aunt that Muslims are supposed to love Musa (pbuh) too. ;-)

Lock and load, folks. It's only a matter of time.

(#21) RC neo-Jew

Well, we all know Saddam was a "bad guy" ...

/Kucinich/Dean/Sharpton/Clark/MacAulliffe/Moseley- Braun

#25 So-cal justice

your comment reminded me of this

Stalin sucks but he would have fed this joker his testicles.

#23 scaramouche

I wonder if there was some blood left over. I could have used it for my Purim pastries.

Mmmm. Yum!

“The blood was too dense and I could not work with it, so a friend of mine, a lab technician, suggested I mix it with a solution he gave me that looked like glucose, and it worked.”

So you wouldn't have to add any sugar.

ah the al-ghamdi clan--a 600 thousand strong group of hatfields from the appalachia of saudi arabia the province of asir north of yemen--they are the al queda family of the decade--total killers--they hate the royal family because they are looked down on as hicks [called 07's in sa after their area code}--these violent rednecks are the worst of the worst jihadis--including 9/11--who are totally tight with each other and totally religious salafi/ wahabbi/takfiri right wing theocrat caliph loving nutjobs--the "smart" ones go to king khalid university in abha city to study islamic law and kufr killing--the regular achmeds take jobs as security guards and cops--if we are going to win the war on islamist terrorism we have to make asir [six participated in 9/11] our hiroshima--these murderers got to go to paradise toute suite!!

First they exported oil then wahabbism. It's all about deflecting attention from how freakin' rich the House of Saud has become while the rest of the Arabs(esp. "Palestinians") have gotten jack shit from the oil boom. Can you imagine? The Arabs could've bought all the land in Israel by now!

It's the West and the Jooos that hold the Arabs back. They're just after "Economic Justice"! ...Right?

Gobble, gobble…. Another hand bitten, oh dear.

“And you say this place called ‘Chechnya’ was published on maps?” Putin responded.

The Russian government has always refuted the existence and perpetuation of the myth or legendary ‘province’ of ‘Chechnya’ upon their soil. BBC-fillindate, 2004.

#31 hulugu
I've seen either you or someone else post on the Ozarks of Arabia before. Just wondering if you have a source for that? I'm interested in following up on it.

#30 R.C. neo-Jew

No sugar needed, but I'd have to add some remedy for snake venom.

Leave it to most Muslims to ally themselves with destruction. Typical.

OT

What do y'all think of this story?

Russian opposition candidate missing.

Imagine if Dean wound up missing. Oh Lord!

#34--rusty--just standard googlingof asir+al-ghamdi+al queda etc. and variations thereof will get you going--there are articles from the telegraph in england and stuff in the saudi series in the atlantic monthly--its all out there in cyberspace--i'm no expert--just think its best to know your enemy--good luck searching :-]

Looks like another invitation for Crown Prince Abdullah and Prince Bandar, this time to Putin's dacha. Kill Kuffars and see the world.

OT :

Answer to "where are the moderate muslims"?

No, not the Daniel Pipes article, but contains a number of links to Islamic articles and sites denouncing terrorism. (Most of which don't have the usual 'but'...appended to their statements).

I'm still working my way through it, but thought I would share since there seem to be a lot of open minded people around here (even more when rhetoric is put aside)

#32 Sean

Actually, I think the House of Saud has been suffering of late. It's hard to spread the wealth among thousands of layabout, non-productive princes and princesses. That's one of al Quaeda's biggest complaints about the Royal Family--that it's stealing all the oil money for a life of idle, decadent, irreligious luxury.

#37 hulugu

roger. thanks.

We consider all Russian people warriors because they elected this leadership when it pledged to crush the Chechen people. God willing they will pay for their fight with their blood and their sons.

So it's war, basically, and you condone the killing of enemy civilians. (Where have I seen this before?) so if I extend your logic that a baby is responsible for the actions of his government, then your babies too, are responsible for your actions.

...but then I Love your babies more than you do...

This doesn't mean you won't be hunted down and killed.

...have a nice day...

:D

Totally OT

Can't by any stretch of the imagination find a link between this story and the current topic... oh, wait a minute. Islamic terrorists and Nazis. Yes, there is something in common: Irish government to seek response to looted Nazi art claims

In a letter to President Mary McAleese last month, the Simon Wiesenthal Center asked her to launch an inquiry into the alleged Nazi ties of the late John and Gertrude Hunt, whose collection is now one of Ireland's leading tourist attractions.

Where's VFI when you need her? I'm sure she could provide an explanation for all this.

We consider all Russian people warriors because they elected this leadership when it pledged to crush the Chechen people. God willing they will pay for their fight with their blood and their sons.

Considering the number people from Putins opposition that have disappeared, I'm not quite sure they can make that claim for much longer...

Scaramouche, I still don't think that the House of Saud will be working any reality tv on Fox soon. They've still got the bucks. I do believe that they've mis-managed the state and their investments.

I really wish that the Wahabbis would turn on them.

So it's war, basically, and you condone the killing of enemy civilians.

Especially when the enemy civilians are providing material/moral/financial support to the enemy combatants trying to kill me.

Write songs and hold parades glorifying those who cause my countrymen misery and I'll not shed tears if you and yours find out that sometimes even USAF bombers miss their intented target.

Hmm... WWSD? (What would Stalin do?)

#47 BH

Stalin had a pretty basic agenda: kill 'em; starve 'em; or send 'em to the Gulag.

#48 scaramouche

Sounds good.

We consider all Russian people warriors because they elected this leadership when it pledged to crush the Chechen people. God willing they will pay for their fight with their blood and their sons.

Either they polled the civilians about their voting patterns before they blew them up, or they're condoning collective punishment and the murder of civilians. Couldn't be a double standard, could it?

Nah. Putin's duty is clear. I'm sure the Chechens will understand their wholesale slaughter...since they're all the enemy.

The Chechens
Make me wretch-en.

Would it be sooo hard for the media to just use the "M-word" in connection with stories like this from Russia/Chechnya?

O/T

Audio clip from Gore's speech with a surprise cameo at the end.

in what he was told was the blood of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

I thought leaders were supposed to PAVE the road to the future in their ENEMIES blood?

Duh.

If you want a clear cut view of where we were in the 90's
concerning Iraq and the dangers of terrorism, go read this:

[Link: www.eddriscoll.com...]

It might do to archive this folks, it will help in any debats you find yourself caught up in.
And Gore...is just liable to scuttle Kerry before it's over with.

al Qaeda has a deck of cards of their own. And even Katherine Harris made the cut.

This is the website I was able to access:
[Link: www.unitedshadeofswords.com...]

Warning: Firstly, turn down your volume. (I can't stand that noise.)
And of course, there are also the usual bloody pictures.

The article.
An al Qaeda Hit List?

When are our leaders and their cabinets going to wake up to the fact that these Sons of B*tches have to be KILLED DEAD! This guy is suspected of being the author of operations that have KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE! My G*d! We shoot rabid dogs...why aren't we killing these people...never mind sending them to that nice rest camp in Cuba. They even let one guy in Germany go last week and he was had been the roommate of several 9-11 bombers.

What does it take to wake the world from it's stupor? Where's the outrage?

#57 J.D.:

al Qaeda has a deck of cards of their own.

Good for them, since we only have 11 left to go before we're done with our own deck, as of today.

Shit, bigel, you've guessed my secret. Yes, that's it, I want all the Jews dead. That's precisely the reason I'm talking to a rabbi about converting. (Mind you, if all Jews are as paranoid as you, I don't think I'll fit in.)

/

Ginger Liz (#61)

Are you seriously thinking of converting or are you kidding?

#60 Occasional Reader

Well, I didn't count them, but I do believe they're 0 for... everyone on their list.

You would think...they would get...the message.

zulubaby, I seriously am. It was Christmas morning at church that did it for me. I posted here about the alternative lyrics to O Little Town, didn't I? I just thought, that's it, people I've grown up with are doing this in the name of the Son of God, I don't want to be associated with it any more.

Besides, I've always been inordinately fascinated with Judaism. I think pretty much every aspect of it is beautiful - that's one of the reasons I enjoy reading the comments here: I've learnt so much about the traditions and oh! the food!

___

(Elizabeth - American law wouldn't have let that f*cker in Germany get convicted either. The evidence was all circumstantial - there was no PROOF that Abdelghani Mzoudi was an accomplice, just a friend. Ugh. They can be clever little bastards sometimes, clearing up after themselves like they did in Germany.

The prosecution is appealing, however.)

If memory serves me ... it often does'nt ...

Approximately 10,000 Russian soldiers have died in their war against Chechen rebels. 10,000 Russians to take a province ... 600 Americans to take Afghanistan and Iraq ...

Quagmire, indeed ...

I'm a European . . .

Ginger Liz (#64)

Yes, I do remember you posting about that. My friend married this guy who converted to Judaism and I was fascinated that he'd converted before he'd met her. Usually, when you hear of people converting, it's because they're marrying a Jew, but he was the first person I'd met who converted for his own reasons. He said that since he was a kid he'd had this attraction to Judaism. I think his family were horrified but there you go. They've since divorced (both happily remarried) but he's lived in Israel for years now ... all happily ever after.

It is a beautiful religion, I love it too, and Jewish men are fabulous :-) The food is wonderful except for the gefilte fish.

#61 Ginger Liz

Shit, bigel, you've guessed my secret. Yes, that's it, I want all the Jews dead. That's precisely the reason I'm talking to a rabbi about converting.

I plan to convert to Islam just before dying.

Mr Pol, do you want me to slap you?

#70 zulubaby

What's wrong with that idea? It'd mean one more dead Muslim.

#68 - zulubaby

My family wouldn't be horrified, they'd be interested! And happy that I had something to rely on (and, of course, my mum would be ecstatic that I'd rediscovered God, she's quite happy-clappy!). My uncle and his (Singaporean) wife are Muslim, something else I'm sure I've mentioned before, and they wouldn't be horrified either. Yes, we have Moderate Muslims™ in our family - impressed, huh?! (Of course, my uncle was brought up Christian and only converted in order to marry.)

bigel, I promise you, I absolutely promise you, that the average man on the street in the UK has a lot less respect for Muslims than he does for Jews. Jews in this country tend to work their proverbial arses off and don't try and impede any traditional British or Christian customs; Muslims on the other hand (we have a LOT of Eastern European illegal immigrants, nearly all of whom are Muslim) come over here, leech off our welfare state, take offence at our customs, think they can treat our women like shit (you have no idea the amount of times my friends and I have been groped by asy;lum seekers . . . *shudder*), turn our towns into ghettoes (see Bradford for example!) . . .

Okay, I know I'm ranting but basically, it's our sodding socialist government letting them all in because it would be against their "Human Rights" to deport them and the only real Oppostition in this country, the Conservatives, aren't really electable. THAT'S why this country's getting more Muslim by the day. But trust me, if the Tories come up with a good immigration platform at the next General Election, the resentment towards asylum seekers (okay, economic migrants) will ensure a victory for them. Which equals a Jewish PM!

*pause for breath*

Ginger Liz (#73)

You guys are all over the place! LOL. Pretty amazing really.

I think of our family's various religions as a perfect example of how the West means freedom. (Another aunt and uncle are strongly RC, and a Northern cousin is Buddhist, as is my ex. All my other cousins' religion is Rugby, though!)

#77 bigel, I don't understand how you could read the exact opposite meaning into Ginger Liz's post like that. It's a "gift", I guess.
Ginger Liz, mazel tov, you big Jewess :-)

Ginger Liz (#76)

All my other cousins' religion is Rugby, though!

LOL, I thought that religion was only practiced in South Africa ;-)

Rugby is a bizarre breakaway sect with arcane rituals and mumbo-jumbo, Football is the one true religion! And don't even get me started on Soccer, they're just a straight-up mind control cult!

#77 bigel

A few weeks ago, in Corsica, France, the official results of the 2007 Presidential elections were stolen.

Does that answer your question?

bigel, I understand your POV - your information comes from the media, which, populated with LLL as it is, puts its own slant on things. And remember the Sir Humphrey Appleby rule of opinion polls - the results are whatever the pollster wants them to be. America has her fair share of dickheads, too - but you've got an administration that realises the dangers of not backing Israel.

The more you talk to us (the European-on-the-street, as it were), the more you'll understand that we're not all evil. (Except, perhaps, for the French.) And if everyone bothered to find out all the facts before forming an opinion on what should be done in the Middle East, support for Israel would rocket. As it is, I educate people one at a time - I chat to people I've met in pubs about it, for example, as well as my wide circle of friends.

Good will out.

#81 Mr Pol, what do you mean? What happened in Corsica a few weeks ago? Sorry to be thick.

#80 evariste

Rugby is the one true faith.

#83 evariste

I'll put it that way: anybody who, living somewhere in Europe, believes his/her vote means something is deluded. European policies are set by unelected bureaucrats who couldn't care less about the will of the people. The only meaningful way to vote for Europeans today is the old East German one: with their feet.

Europeans mostly don't give a shit about anti-semitism. Those few who care are mostly anti-Semitic scum. But Europe as a whole is anti-Semitic. Just like most Europeans are politically right-wing, but Europe as a whole is socialist: the unelected bureaucrats are leftists and anti-semites, and they are the ones who set the policies. Just like State is always anti-semitic, whoever the President is...

Mr Pol-Okay, I get it. I realized that most of Europe, France and Germany especially, are run by technocrats and not according to the will of the people (the death penalty being a notorious example, but probably the least consequential one). I thought that you were alluding to a specific event in Corsica. Why Corsica, btw-is it a gathering-place for French elites?

Where's ploome? My e-mail ... LOL.

I've been accused after an earlier LGF post of being "in denial" about the Chechens. I'm not.

I'm quite aware that since the first Chechen uprising under Djokhar Dudayev - a leadership successful, democratically elected & even specifically protective of the Mozdok synagogue & the tiny Jewish community there - Chechnya, still almost lawless, was extensively infiltrated by foreign Islamists who perceived the cause as a jihad. Most of these were Wahhabis. Khattab (later killed), a Jordanian, was typical.

Dudayev, of course, was later assassinated in a Russian bomb outrage. However, I met his successor Aslan Maskhadov & his entourage at a champagne reception. They are secularists, & strenuously deny inviting the foreign Islamists who have been done nothing but damage their cause, & is moreover extremely hostile to traditional Chechen Sufi (Naqshbandi & Qadiri) Islam. These are not just another load of "pandas", as one of your correspondents called them when flaming me, but the chief tendency within Islam that people outside Islam can recognize as offering a civilized spirituality.

There are now some Chechen Wahhabis, but they are small minority. Abu-al-Walid al-Ghamidi (note that Chechens do NOT use Arabic names like this) is most unlikely to be among them - he's almost certainly a foreigner, as were most of the Moscow theatre terrorists.

Jihadis are the only foreign support that this brave & freedom-loving nation has received - a double-edged sword if ever there was one. Only those who think that all Muslims equally comprise The Enemy would regard this fact as anything other than tragic.

#86 evariste

Corsica is a place where dead people routinely vote, but the only place I know of where dead people were actually elected.

#89 bigel

The official results of the 2007 Presidential election were stolen at the Préfecture.

#92 bigel

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Use the greater-than/less-than signs though.

bigel, you want to use the html tag strike. Use it just like any other html tag, IE open with strike and close with /strike.

Thom, damn! That was weird. The stance looked like they were taking an imaginary shit en masse.

#96 evariste

Why I oughta ...

That was the All Blacks haka!!

#97 Thom

A very peaceful one. You should have posted the Fiji haka.

evariste! That dance puts the fear of you-know-Who into opponents, I'll have you know!

Night all.

Ah yes, of course, the All Blacks haka!! How could I not know the All Blacks haka?! Why, anyone that doesn't know about as basic a haka as the All Blacks is obviously a complete tool.
So what's a haka?

'Night Ginger Liz.
The Fiji haka? What's that one all about?

Tough for Russia. They support terrorists who want to annihilate us. So when they take it in the neck, I can't feel to bad about it. Perhaps when they learn they shouldn't "play favorites" in this deadly game, I'll show a little more compassion. Truth is that the Russians, like France, would be quite pleased to see the Muslims set off a nuke in one of our cities.

#101 evariste

Another wardance. Just like the Conga's kailao.

Okay, I looked hakas up. The only video I could find of the Fiji haka was on the BBC's site in Realvideo, sadly :-(

#100 evariste

LOL. Sorry. The "why I oughta ..." should be said in a Moe Howard voice for proper effect. The Pacifix Islander rugby teams (e.g., the New Zealand All Blacks doing a Maori war dance) do a "haka" before the match starts. See here for the haka (if you're interested).

#98 Mr Pol

It took me forever to find the All Blacks. Do you have a decent one of Fiji? All I could find was this lame link.

#104 evariste

Here you are, one Ka Mate for you: [Link: www.nzrugby.com...]

#104 evariste

D'oh. That's the one I found too.

#105 Thom

The Ka Mate haka is easy to find...

[Link: www.nzallblacks.net...]
[Link: www.nzallblacks.net...]

or from the Adidas commercial. The Fijian cibi, Tongan kailoa (Ikale Tahi), or the Samoan Siva Tau are very difficult to find...

What is really impressive is when two of those teams face each other, for example when the Ka Mate was answered with the Ikale Tahi, you knew the match would be manly :-)

Wow, cool!

The BBC made a unique deal with Real Networks which disposes of their spyware tactics. Basically, if a user clicks on a link to download Real Player from a BBC website, the referrer script sends them to a page where they can download an expiry-free, spyware-free and nuisance-free version of the player. It's because the BBC have such a stringent public service remit, that it was offensive to charge people a license fee for BBC content, then make them pay all over again for the facility to view/listen to it.

from BoingBoing. Click to download the non-shitty RealPlayer thanks to the BBC. Quite possible the first time I've uttered the phrase "thanks to the BBC" without being sarcastic.
Besides having to tell RealPlayer to leave your file extension preferences alone during setup, it's basically hassle-free, unlike their actual product.
Anyway, thanks to both of you. Neat stuff, we need some of that in the one true Football.

#109 evariste

Neat stuff, we need some of that in the one true Football.

There are people in the U.S. with the right traditions for that... I guess it'll have to wait until a NFL team gets a native American player.

#108 Mr Pol

I wish all the teams would put a version on their web sites. They must know that as rugby increases in popularity, people are going to want to see it.

You're right - one haka is good, 2 belted out at top volume is awesome.

I love rugby.

#64 Ginger Liz:
I remember you posting about storming out of the church on Christmas morning because of the alternative lyrics to O Little Town, but I never went to your link to read them. I've read them now and I'm totally disgusted. Even more disgusted that the lyrics were written by two Jewish women (except for the first stanza of 'O Little Town of Bethlehem', which was written by Rev. Garth Hewitt of the Amos Trust).

The woman who wrote all but one of the alternative carols is named Deborah Maccoby. Does anyone know if she's related to Hyam Maccoby (heaven forbid)? I tried googling but didn't find anything.

Ginger Liz, if you decide to convert, then good luck! We'd be happy to have you.

Deborah Maccoby is Hyam's daughter. Neither is responsible for the other's opinions...

#113 Charles P:
Damn! How sad... I feared as much, it's not a very common spelling.

Neither is responsible for the other's opinions...

You're right of course, but... damn!

OT, but I'm pissed

The 9th Circuit Court of PCism has granted a stay of execution for murderer Kevin Cooper. They want the DNA evidence looked at again!!!

If nothing else, they should stand as the shining example of why terrorists/terrorism should not be "l primarily a law enforcement issue" as John "you know I served in Vietnam" Kerry says it should.

#13 Model4: Yes I would, and I do. But my definition of "crushed" doesn't mean transferring the Chechen population to other parts of Russia, or the world. So, no Elon Plan for Chechnya, please. Stalin already tried it, and in the long run it didn't work.

Also, reintegration of Chechnya back into Russia doesn't have the potential of demographically overwhelming the country. The Israelis face a more difficult problem in that regard, which is why the eventual goal must be a "Palestinian entity," not annexation or ethnic cleansing. But I emphasize the word "eventual" - it can't happen until the current Palestinian "leadership" is crushed and the Palestinians decide to put forward leaders of an entirely different stripe.

It will be a long wait.

#133 Charles P, #114 Cba -

Damn, that's a big disappointment. I'm a big fan of the elder Maccoby.

So how does one convert from Fallen-Away Catholic to Jew-Bu?

Frank, check your email.

#118 Frank IBC:
Same way anyone else converts--practice, practice, practice! And study with a Rabbi, and pass the test, and get immersed in the mikvah. Of course, for the guys there's one other little step...

Eeeek!

#121 evariste:
What "eeeked" you out so much?

Kidding, my "member" is already "of the tribe".

:-)

I think Frank IBC started the tradition that I "Eeek", although maybe I really did Eek one time, I don't remember it :-) Your mentioning circumcision seemed like a good spot to insert one. :-)

OK, in that case it would just be a small, uh, prick nick to draw a little blood. Or so I've been informed.

I can see this conversation is heading into the gutter again, so now would be a time to bid you all goodnight. And I really, really mean it. I'm not like one of those trolls who says goodbye and then sticks around for another two hours.

cba, LOL! Interesting, so what do they use to make this "nick"? I'd be curious to see it (the tool, not the "tool").

I'm really, really not.

'Kay, nite cba. :-)

#128 evariste:
I'll make enquiries for you if you like. ;-)
BTW, my #129 was a continuation of my #127, not a response to your #128.

I'm going now.
/trollish leave-taking

I figured as much :-)
I hope the tool-nicking tool isn't too formidable ;-)
Good night to you.

From today's news on Yahoo-

Radical Islam Influencing Chechen Rebels
Mon Feb 9, 2:30 PM ET

By JUDITH INGRAM, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW - A Saudi-born warrior so zealously Muslim that he's traumatized by even touching nonbelievers has risen to the top echelon of rebels in Chechnya (news - web sites), Russian officials and rebel sources say, a symbol of how a once-secular fight has come under the influence of radical Islam.

To the Russian security services, the rebel commander known as Abu Walid embodies Chechnya's place in the chain of international terrorism — a connection they stress to win Western support for their military campaign in the southern Russian region.

He has surfaced as a suspect in myriad terrorist attacks in Russia, from the 1999 apartment house bombings that catapulted Russian forces back into Chechnya after they lost the 1994-1996 war to last week's explosion on the Moscow subway.

To the rebels, Abu Walid represents a growing trend toward strict Islamic practices, a tendency reflected in the appointment of a spiritual counselor as co-leader of even the smallest rebel unit.

"That's the one that communicates with Abu Walid," rather than the unit's military commander, said a Muslim in southern Russia who serves as a liaison between the rebels and supporters in the West.

Abu Walid, who is believed to be about 30 years old, has donned the mantle of Omar Ibn al Khattab, the flamboyant, Saudi-born rebel leader who died in 2002, apparently after being poisoned. Like Khattab, he is said to be second in authority only to Shamil Basayev, a Chechen known for a series of raids and brutal attacks.

An expert in explosives, Abu Walid trained in camps in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and fought alongside Muslims in Bosnia before arriving in Chechnya in 1995, according to Russia's Federal Security Service. Like Khattab, he is a money man for the rebels — receiving and distributing funds smuggled in from abroad to support the Chechens' fight.

"It's understood that he has money. Since he took over from Khattab, lots of units answer only to him and no one else," said the liaison, who spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

"The (Chechen) military leadership has recognized him," echoed Sergei Ignatchenko, the spokesman for the Federal Security Service, adding that Abu Walid had taken over Khattab's post of military emir.

In November, Al-Jazeera television broadcast fragments of a videotaped statement in which Abu Walid threatened to carry Chechnya's war outside the republic and target military facilities in Russian territories with large Muslim populations. He also defended the use of female suicide bombers, saying the women were seeking revenge for the alleged killing of their husbands and children by Russian forces in Chechnya.

It's one of the few public appearances by the reclusive fighter. Russian security officials and Chechens alike say Abu Walid is far less of a showman than Khattab, who maintained a high profile in part to attract funding from abroad. But Abu Walid has inspired fear among the Russian military and won the trust of rebel leaders.

After Khattab's death, many midlevel commanders initially refused to accept Abu Walid, said the rebels' liaison in southern Russia.

"But his attitude to the war and his faith won him a lot of respect," the liaison said.

He recalled a telling encounter at one meeting of rebel commanders when Abu Walid — who adheres to the conservative Wahhabi strain of Islam — embraced a journalist, convinced by his beard that he was a good Muslim. When he learned otherwise, he retreated from the world for two days, praying night and day to cleanse himself after touching an infidel.

That extreme piety, the liaison said, has won supporters.

"Lots of young people (in Chechnya) are turning to the Wahhabis. There are lots of battalions under the banner of radical Islam," he said.

Ironically, Abu Walid's star has risen as the role of Arab fighters in Chechnya has decreased. Heightened pressure on international terrorists since Sept. 11, 2001, has severely reduced the flow of foreign funds and mercenaries into Chechnya, and the number of foreign fighters could be anywhere from a couple hundred to just a few dozen, analysts say.

At the same time, there's widespread agreement that Islam is increasingly a motivating factor in what used to be a secular struggle for independence.

"Chechnya used to be on the periphery of the Islamic world. That's no longer true," said Alexei Malashenko, a specialist on Islam at Moscow's Carnegie Center.

"Here's the paradox: They receive less money, they get less help, there are fewer Arabs, but the feeling that they're Muslims ... is stronger."

That sense of Islamic solidarity has filled the ranks of fighters with men from other southern Russian republics. Of the estimated 1,500-2,000 die-hard rebels in the mountains of southern Chechnya, more than half are from neighboring Dagestan, and there are fighters from the Russian republics of Kabardino-Balkaria and Karachayevo-Cherkessiya, as well as from the Central Asian nation of Tajikistan, said Shamil Beno, a former Chechen foreign minister who heads a foundation in Moscow.

He said the role of Abu Walid and other Arabs in Chechnya today was actually minimal.

"What's more important is that the Arabs' mental view of resistance or struggle has begun to predominate," Beno said. "They've naturally played a role in the slipping of the Chechen resistance into terror, which is damaging the resistance."

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Associated Press writer Yuri Bagrov in Vladikavkaz, Russia, contributed to this report.

#116, Gordon. why did Stalin send the Chechens to Siberia, And what part did Arafats uncle play in influencing Stalins decision?

#132 evariste

The man who uses the "tool" is called a "mohel" (pronounced moyle), and is (at least nowadays), often a urologist by training.

He doesn't, however, draw a salary.

He's paid in tips.

(Sorry!!)

All this proves is that the Russians have learned they can't bribe the Islamo-fascists, even with nukes. They, too, will be taken down, and not later, but now.

A valuable public lesson for the Euros who think they can appease the Islamo savages. Or perhaps not--the Euros are so deluded and cynical that only a debacle in their countries will transform them.

Islamic radicals are being trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan and Kashmir as part of a conspiracy to send hundreds of operatives to "sleeper cells" in the United States, according to U.S. and foreign officials.
The intelligence and law-enforcement officials say dozens of Islamic extremists have already been routed through Europe to Muslim communities in the United States, based on secret intelligence data and information from terrorists and others detained by U.S. authorities.
A high-ranking foreign intelligence chief told The Washington Times in an interview last week that this clandestine but aggressive network of training camps "represents a serious threat to the United States, one that cannot be ignored." The official said as many as 400 terrorists have been and are being trained at camps in Pakistan and Kashmir.
U.S. intelligence officials said the camps, located in the remote regions of western Pakistan and in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, are financed in part by various terrorist networks, including al Qaeda, and by sources in Saudi Arabia.
Pakistani Ambassador Ashraf Jehangir Qazi denied in an interview that terrorist camps are operating in his country, including the remote regions of western Pakistan or in Kashmir.
"We have never accepted the allegation that there were training camps here, not now, not ever," Mr. Qazi told The Times. "These allegations have persisted despite our repeated denials. I assure you there is absolutely no reason to believe that any terrorist camps exist in Pakistan or Kashmir."
...Al Qaeda sleeper cells are believed to be operating in 40 states, according to the FBI and other federal authorities, awaiting orders and funding for new attacks in the United States. Financed in part by millions of dollars solicited by an extensive network of bogus charities and foundations, the cells use Muslim communities as cover and places to raise cash and recruit sympathizers. ...

Islamic extremists invade U.S., join sleeper cells

J.D. (#137)

Al Qaeda sleeper cells are believed to be operating in 40 states, according to the FBI and other federal authorities, awaiting orders and funding for new attacks in the United States.

Although I know this is the case, it's still unnerving to see it stated by the FBI. G-d help us. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

Financed in part by millions of dollars solicited by an extensive network of bogus charities and foundations, the cells use Muslim communities as cover and places to raise cash and recruit sympathizers.

The Saudis again?

Mashkadov's intentions, however noble, are ultimately pointless. He may have sought peace, but he lacked both the strength and the will to rein in his own people, and as a result, Chechnya's hope for independence is lost until someone with the same goals and greater strength replaces him.

Chechnya is no different from Palestine in this regard... they have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and now wear it like some kind of badge of honor. I feel no pity for them.

http://www.saag.org/papers10/paper917.html It would be of agreat benefit for all Americans and Prez Bush. Big cover up by the US State Dept, the foggy bottom. Read this whole article by a former Intelligence Director.

Who is financing the Chechens ?

If it's the Saudis then isn't the US responsible since it's a friend of Saudi Arabia ?

I think it's time to take whatever measures that are necessary to ensure that a secular Regime assumes power in Saudi Arabia. Visit the Politics section of [Link: www.mindcollisions.com...] and help make life miserable for these pro Palestinians jerks.

# 11 John CV:

My thoughts EXACTLY as I read that quote:

“We consider all Russian people warriors because they elected this leadership when it pledged to crush the Chechen people. God willing they will pay for their fight with their blood and their sons.”

I would phrase it a little differently, though. How about: "We consider all Muslim people warriors because they accede to the non-elected religious militancy when it is pledged to crush the West and kill all infidels. God willing, they will soon glow in the dark."

It's high time the propaganda war be taken to Islam by using the expediancy of changing the names, but not the gist of their verbage, to accuse the guilty, and show them to be the murdering *ssholes we know Islam to be. It really is time for Western Culture to sh*t or get off the pot in this WoT against a maniacal "religion" virgin-bent on its destruction.

"murdering *ssholes we know Islam to be"

I know some Muslims, theyre not murdering assholes though...

it-man (#144),

From all personal accounts Ted Bundy was a decent feller.

This is a bit off-topic, but worth checking out because it illustrates just how stupid liberals are with regards to islamo-fascists. Chechnya on the Thames, anyone? "Red Ken" promotes an agenda whose authors wouldn't hesitate a single second to detonate a nuke in London. If at some point 'Londonistan' is wiped off the map, the only 'root cause' will be Mr Mayor. One more thing, islamonline.org is the only islamic education we a LGF need. This website, which many leftist groups link to, is a wonderland of islamo-fascist fantasy. Don't ya just feel their pain folks!!

[Link: islamonline.net...]

OT- < worry > London kids encouraged to be bombers < /worry > < panic! >

Tbilisi: Russia Was Warned of Attack

And that warning might have averted a second attack:

Aidabolov also warned the FSB officer that a second attack would be carried out at an outdoor market in the southern Stavropol region two or three days later, Khaburdzania said.

Stavropol authorities ordered all regional markets closed for three days after the Moscow bombing for sanitary inspections, local media reported.

OK, in that case it would just be a small, uh, prick nick to draw a little blood. Or so I've been informed.

So if I ever decide to convert to Judaism, I've got to let someone near my wang with as sharp, pointy object, even though I was snipped good'n'proper as a wee infink? That's something to keep in mind.

Actually, I haven't had a chance to go back to the synagogue since my first time, and probably won't for the next couple weeks. Weirdly, just days after my first attendance at a Jewish service, I found myself being hotly pursued by an amorous WASP, and he and I have road trips planned for this weekend and the following. He's a Christian, but although I'm interested in attending services with him at the non-denominational Protestant church he goes to, I don't see myself personally embracing Christianity.

Anyway, looking ahead to the next time I'm able to
go to the synagogue, I bought myself a copy of Hebrew for Dummies, just so I can acquaint myself with the alphabet and pronunciation. (Speaking of the alphabet, the Dummies book does not go into Hebrew writing except cursorily, and the first question that came to mind as I looked at the printed alphabet was: "Does the stroke thickness 'matter,' as it does with some calligraphy-based writing systems, and if so, what's the convention for distinguishing thick and thin strokes when using a pencil or ballpoint pen?")

The man who uses the "tool" is called a "mohel" (pronounced moyle), and is (at least nowadays), often a urologist by training.

"Hey, doc, how much extra to install a Prince Albert while you're down there?"

I remember you posting about storming out of the church on Christmas morning because of the alternative lyrics to O Little Town, but I never went to your link to read them.

Ew, yuck. I'm particularly cheesed by what they did to "The Holly and the Ivy," which is possibly my favorite Christmas carol. Not only is "The Olive and the IDF" chockful of idiotarianism, but it doesn't fuckin' scan. What 'tards!

zulubaby #138

The Saudis again?

The Saudis - still.

I don't see why anyone objects to Ken Livingstone holding a conference in support of the hijab. Girls have been wearing it in British schools for years and we haven't had a civil war over it yet. I think some of the French still have a grudge against the Algerians for kicking them out of their country, and others have got this obsession with hijab as "subjugation", when in fact a lot of the women and girls who wear it choose to do so.

Yusuf Smith (#152),

when in fact a lot of the women and girls who wear it choose to do so.

Yes they do choose to wear it, so their brother muslims don't slit their throats or rape them for the "humiliation" it causes.

Yes they do choose to wear it, so their brother muslims don't slit their throats or rape them for the "humiliation" it causes

That's your assertion. Prove it. My guess is that this applies to only a tiny minority if that.

# 154 Yusuf Smith:

A tiny minority of 1.2 billion? Statistically, that's still a rather large number of, ahem, people.

to Yosuf Smith. Would you happen to know if the gals are wearing it by choice in Saudi Arabia or Iran? One more thing, do you think that Christian women living in Northern Nigeria are wearing Islamic clothing out of choice? Theological ensalvement, Yosuf, is NOT feminist self-realization

It seems that jihad + wahhabi leadership = terrorism.

Oh, and the lovely terrorism excuses --
“We consider all Russian people warriors because they elected this leadership when it pledged to crush the Chechen people. God willing they will pay for their fight with their blood and their sons.”

This shows that it is pretty easy to make excuses for terrorism.

#6 Militant Elvis
I didn't see any sarcasm tags on your post. Did you mean to be sarcastic, or not?

If you are really serious about accepting the pro-terrorism rationalization, it suggests that you have the mind of a terrorist, which is not something to be proud of. Would you also say that because Bush is our president, that the jihadist-terrorist-Islamist movement is justified in slaughtering some more thousands, or maybe tens of thousands, or maybe hundreds of thousands of our civilians? It is criminally psychotic to think so, and the jihadist-terrorist-Islamist movement is itself criminally psychotic.

#4 Gordon
Very good post.

First, you have shown that when the facts emerge, you can change your position accordingly. And thereby you have given the lie to the ad hominem libel I saw on one thread falsely accusing you that you never change your mind in the face of facts. You have shown that you have an open mind, and that is very commendable.

Secondly, your post confirms in no uncertain terms that you believe -- and I agree -- that there should be no such things as bad terrorism and good terrorism. Terrorism should be opposed, period, regardless of the alleged cause for which it is used. That is very important if the world is to have a chance at wiping out terrorism.

As I said, very good post. I applaud you.

To John Palubiski (#156):

That all depends on who they are. Some of them no doubt don't like wearing it. A lot of them believe in Islam and so they follow their religion. Some of them wear it just because it's what women wear, just as women in some countries wear saris and in others wear skirts. It's no big deal.

As for Christians in Northern Nigeria, well when you're on the beach you get undressed, and when you go up town you put your clothes back on. Same with Nigeria. If you're in the south where people are mostly Christian, perhaps they can uncover their heads, and when they go up north, they cover them to avoid causing offence because that's the local custom. Anyway a few generations ago women wore bonnets in England, and they were not Muslims. What's the big deal?

# 159 Yusuf Smith:

Yiou are bordering on complete idiocy.

If you're in the south where people are mostly Christian, perhaps they can uncover their heads, and when they go up north, they cover them to avoid causing offence because that's the local custom.

Don't you get it yet? The Christian women are an affront, hell, an insult, to Muslims where ever they are. Christian women are lucky if they have heads to uncover. What an im-morally equivalent a-hole.