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Kerry to Mullahs: I'll Repair Bush's Damage

Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 6:28:29 pm PST

Here’s a real jaw-dropper.

Democratic candidate John Kerry has appealed to the mullahs of Iran for support, saying he will repair the damage done by George W. Bush if elected. (Hat tip: Dhimmi Watch.)

The full text of the Tehran Times article follows:

WASHINGTON (Mehr News Agency) — The office of Senator John Kerry, the frontrunner in the Democratic presidential primary in the U.S., sent the Mehr News Agency an e-email saying that Kerry will try to repair the damage done by the incumbent president if he wins the election. The text of the e-mail follows.

As Americans who have lived and worked extensively overseas, we have personally witnessed the high regard with which people around the world have historically viewed the United States. Sadly, we are also painfully aware of how the actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the past three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships at risk.

It is in the urgent interests of the people of the United States to restore our country’s credibility in the eyes of the world. America needs the kind of leadership that will repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so damaged in the past few years, as well as build new friendships and overcome tensions with others.

We are convinced that John Kerry is the candidate best qualified to meet this challenge. Senator Kerry has the diplomatic skill and temperament as well as a lifetime of accomplishments in field of international affairs. He believes that collaboration with other countries is crucial to efforts to win the war on terror and make America safer.

An understanding of global affairs is essential in these times, and central to this campaign Kerry has the experience and the understanding necessary to successfully restore the United States to its position of respect within the community of nations. He has the judgment and vision necessary to assure that the United States fulfills a leadership role in meeting the challenges we face throughout the world.

The current Administration’s policies of unilateralism and rejection of important international initiatives, from the Kyoto Accords to the Biological Weapons Convention, have alienated much of the world and squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11. This climate of hostility affects us all, but most especially impacts those who reside overseas. Disappointment with current U.S. leadership is widespread, extending not just to the corridors of power and politics, but to the man and woman on the street as well.

We believe John Kerry is the Democrat who can go toe-to-toe against the current Administration on national security and defense issues. We also remain convinced that John Kerry has the best chance of beating the incumbent in November, and putting America on a new course that will lead to a safer, more secure, and more stable world.

UPDATE: Kerry’s office says that this email was sent to a list, and that someone from the Tehran Times subscribed to that list; it was not sent specifically to the mullahs, as the Tehran Times implied.

Nonetheless, the point remains that the sentiments in the email were obviously viewed with great interest by the Iranian leadership.

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1 Oggie Ben Doggie  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:29:38pm

The Republican Party should take this spiel verbatim and use it
for ad copy.

2 dimakat  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:32:39pm

By some definitions, this is nothing short of treason.

3 Bob  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:33:49pm

The scary thing is, Kerry probably believes everything that was written.

As long as the Dems continue to nominate for President pompous buffoons who look at every foreign policy issue through the lens of Vietnam, I can't bring myself to vote for them, as much I loathe Dubya's fiscal profilgacy and courting of the religious right.

4 The Prophet Margin  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:34:10pm

We followers of the great Pedoph .. uh, Prophet know greatness when we hear it!

This wonderful man, JohnF'ingKerry, will bring us the peace, ins shallah billy bang bang!

5 Paul  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:35:16pm

Kerry must be smoking some of that old VVAW dope again.

6 Lewis Can't Lose  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:37:28pm
Democratic candidate John Kerry has appealed to the mullahs of Iran for support, saying he will repair the damage done by George W. Bush if elected.

Eh. I'm reserving judgement until I hear his appeal to Kim Jong Il for support, and his plans to repair the damage done by George W. Bush to our relations with North Korea.

If it's as good as his appeal to the mullahs, well then certainly, he'll have my vote!

/n0t

7 Stop Hillary  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:37:52pm

A sick appeal for Jihadi financial support for his campaign. Just when you thought the treasonous scum of the Democrat Party could sink now lower, they plumb new depths.

You are one sick puppy John "Jihad: Kerry.

8 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:38:00pm

I swear to God it must be a Republican plant! *wide boggle-eyed grin B-D

9 monsterdog (Abu Bow Wow)  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:38:36pm

John Kerry: droning idiotarian moonbat extraordinaire.

10 Belize042  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:39:05pm

The copy does indeed sound like the kind of blather that the haughty, French-looking Massachusetts Democrat might spew. But sending it to the Tehran Times? Perhaps some campaign functionary spread the spam net a little too widely in shoveling that drivel out, but I doubt even Kerry would see kissing up to the mullahs as good election strategy.

Or maybe he's completely nuts.

11 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:39:54pm

OMG. We can't let this man win...

12 ex-liberal  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:40:09pm

This guy is dangerous - Please Americans vote for W.

13 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:42:04pm

Is it just me, or does it seem like he is whoring for campaign $ from the mullahs of Tehran? The same gangster clique that has had its boot on the collective face of the Iranian people for 25 years?

14 FH  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:42:22pm

I can't believe that Senator Kerry would interfere in matters of state like this. Its legal, but it isn't his place, even as a Senator.

15 FH  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:43:37pm

BTW, what is the name of the law that prevent's private citizens from engaging in foreign policy?

16 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:43:57pm

10 Belize042

Or maybe he's completely nuts.

Almost makes one pine for the sober, prudent foreign-policy wisdom of Howard Dean...

YEEEEAAAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

17 recon  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:44:15pm

If the Chinese bought and paid for Bubba Clinton, how much do you think the Saudis, Iranians and Syrians are likely to sink into Kerry's campaign?

Then adding in George Soros, see how well you sleep at night.

18 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:44:17pm

#15 FH

The Logan Act

19 fragmeyer  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:44:30pm
It is in the urgent interests of the people of the United States to restore our country’s credibility in the eyes of the world.

The US now accepts it's responsibility as lone super power to guide the cultural have-nots of the world into democracy...I'd say credibility is being restored.

20 arsin  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:44:36pm

I depise Kerry as I despise a fart, but this is just some campaign boilerplate that went to the wrong address, don't you think?

21 Athos  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:44:47pm

The sad part is that they actually believe this crock.

Anyone can surrender.

It takes someone with conviction and a vision to win the war. JFK doesn't have the conviction, vision, or fortitude.

Didn't we just go through this at WTC 1, Khobar Towers, African Embassies, USS Cole, WTC 2?

22 Atomic Redneck, reaganite's cheerleader  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:46:05pm

John Kerry is politicking early for the 2004 Fiskie. He's out to an early leader, but can he beat perennial also-ran Michael Moore?

23 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:46:39pm

Incredible that our choices for president boil down to the saudi lap dog scion of the carlyle group and an opportunistic hypocritical poor man's rich guy like Kerry.

We're doomed.

We need a Harry Truman.

24 Atomic Redneck, Rumsfeld's groupie  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:47:19pm

correction: "an early lead"

Preview is my friend, but I have many enemies.

25 quark2  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:47:28pm

I wonder if this has been sent 'back' to Kerrys campaign headquarters. It would be interesting to see the reaction gotten. This does need some spreading about though, see how much mud Kerry can generate running in place.

You didn't know about this ahead of time did you evariste? :)

26 Geepers  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:47:29pm
He believes that collaboration with other countries is crucial ...

Is that intentional? Or did whoever wrote this not understand what the suggested implications of that sentence are?

27 Cooper for President  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:47:40pm

What a lowlife P.O.S. Kerry is.

And that Bush "AWOL" story keeps getting bigger with each "mainstream" media newscast. They're now saying "Bush showed his payroll records, but that leaves more questions than answers."

And like any good fifth column democrat trader, I have jumped on the "Bush AWOL" wagon. Due to the untimely death of my guest writer MichaelMooreIsGod (funeral pending) I have hired a new writer from Democrat Underground who goes by the name "AlFrankenRules."

Here's her debut column (which has a photograph she claims is "proof" that Bush was never in the National Guard). Take a look, if you have the guts.

28 billhedrick  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:47:54pm

it's official: 911 didn't happen in KerryWorld.

29 Atomic Redneck, Rumsfeld/Guiliani in '08  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:48:17pm

I have the answer. Read my nic.

30 Wonderduck  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:50:34pm

#14 FH echos my thoughts. I have a hard time believing that Kerry would be... well... stupid enough to approve the sending of a letter like that out, knowing full well that it'll hit the front page of the papers, and from there the 'net.

I'll be taking the reports of this letter with a lick-sized grain of salt until we get independent confirmation of it. Until then, I trust the Tehran Times about as far as I can spit it.

Say what you will about Sen. Kerry's political beliefs; I probably agree with you. But he doesn't seem to be a dumb man. Calling him stupid, dumb, traitorous, etc etc etc, is using the same brush the LLL uses to paint GWB as a moronic monkey.

I'll change my tune REALLY fast, though, if it turns out to have been approved by him...

31 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:51:47pm

quark2-who, little old me? :-)
I hate DU!!! I went to see what, if any, reaction they might have, but no searching the forums if you aren't a "brain donor". (The brain is silent). Nothing obvious comes up, so I think it might have entirely escaped their attention. It's ok, the best sucker-punches are the ones that come out of nowhere!

32 Q  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:52:11pm

Maine' Michael:

Incredible that our choices for president boil down to the saudi lap dog scion of the carlyle group and an opportunistic hypocritical poor man's rich guy like Kerry.

Yep, neither of the homunculi seems to be content with being the lesser evil.

33 fragmeyer  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:52:33pm

#26 Geeps...good eye.

#30 Wonderdruck...good point.

34 Leo  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:52:35pm

Gents, you should get your 'prayer rugs' ready! This miserable SOB is going to sell america down the river when he gets elected. Watch and see...it's going to happen.

35 William  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:52:45pm

I think #20 is on to something.  This looks like an e-mail from Kerry's campaign sent out to thousands of e-mail list subscribers.

That said, there can be no doubt that Kerry would indeed implement a policy of appeasement and American subordination to the likes of communist China, Baathist Syria, and the other dictatorships who preside as members of the UN Security Council.

Kerry believes America "squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11."  If the world loves Americans only when we are dying, the world can go to hell.
 

36 fred from AL  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:53:03pm

What is mind boggling is that they think this strategy will enhance his chances of getting elected. It ties my guts in knots to think they might be right. Of course, I was sickened by Clinton, so I'm not exactly in tune with the pulse of America.

At least we get to see the truth.

37 igor  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:53:20pm

In related news, Howard Dean has appealed to the Martians on Mars, for support in saying that he'll repair all the damage that George W. Bush has done.

38 Maui Girl  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:55:38pm

I am speechless and if Kerry gets in I may reconsider my citizenship and move back to Canada to hide in the Arctic!

39 Narniaman  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:55:47pm

Okay, I'm baffled. . . . .

What exactly is Kerry trying to accomplish by appealing to the Mullahs?

It's not like they or their followers can vote for him.

It might be possible to get money from them, but that is wrought with all sorts of hazard. The US is keeping a close eye on the way money moves around now and such a scheme, which is blatantly illegal, might be found out.

I wouldn't think an endorsement from the Mullahs work be all that great for Kerry. A lot of Americans regard Iran as a charter member of the Axis of Evil.

Here's the only thing I can think of. . . .

Kerry is more or less saying that if he's elected Pres, he will let Iran get away with a whole lot more stuff than Bush ever did. . ."successfully restore the United States to a position of respect. . . . .putting the US on a new course that will lead to a more stable world. . ."

So if Iran decides that they would rather work with Kerry than Bush, what could they do?

How about upping the attacks on American troops by suicide bombers? The more attacks, the more Americans will want to cut and run, and the more likely Kerry will beat Bush.

Outrageous line of thought?

What other reason would Kerry send the Mullahs such a message, other than to ask for their support?

And how else could the Mullahs lend their support to Kerry?

40 FH  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:56:10pm

I have looked all over, where can one find an actual text of the Logan Act?

41 Tim K  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:56:14pm

The thought of 4 years of Jimmy Carter revisited by Pres. Kerry makes me want to vomit.
As soon as the puke Muslims know that something bad won't happen to them they will really attack the US.
Professor Lewis had a quote in last weeks Wall Street Journal in which he was asked why the Muslim/Arab world hates the US. He stated, thats the wrong question, we should ask ourselves, Why don't they respect or fear us?
The answer to that question is personified by Mr. Kerry.

42 z  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:56:59pm

I take the politician's statements as personal appeals for my vote. I'm sorry, I don't need someone to go toe-to-toe with George Bush. Be GONE!

43 Black_Flag  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:57:45pm

"As Americans who have lived and worked extensively overseas, we have personally witnessed the high regard with which people around the world have historically viewed the United States"

boy thats a bunch of bullshit.

The socialist democratic party in America has gone insane. Now, more than ever, it is important to be strong in the face of adversity and yet they still yearn to appease those who would see America destroyed.

44 fragmeyer  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:59:09pm

# 37 igor (or, eyegore if you prefer) - HA! funny

# 29 Atomic Guiliani Redneck - I've been pushing for Guiliani for Sec of State in 04! Blow the Colin!

45 Dom  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 4:59:23pm

This is where serious corruption begins.

Dear Mr Future President of the Future Islamic Republic of Iran US Division, alhumdillahllah please accept our warmest regards and the enclosed wad. Please let us know as a matter of urgency if your campaign runs into trouble and if we can be of any assistance whatsoever we will not kill you necessarily.
Yours,
Mullahs
NB We have taken the liberty of providing you with campaign material. Please use it because Islam the way of the prophet Pbuh is clear and Allan knows. We would wipe your people out.
46 ralph  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:00:50pm

"Jimey Carter, Jimey Carter. Let's do the 1970's all over again. " John F@@kin' Kerry

47 Big L  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:01:06pm

Oh mi gosh--this guy could be our President. And Dean hangs in there for Secretary of State...The Medai will never touch this issue. JFK could be photoed kissing Arafat and it would be ignorred.
However, when his name is on the door and the military orders, he'll be different,I'm sure...

48 Bob  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:01:17pm

If the Chinese bought and paid for Bubba Clinton, how much do you think the Saudis, Iranians and Syrians are likely to sink into Kerry's campaign?

The Iranians already kind of have. One of Kerry's big donors is an Iranian-American who's a key member of an organization pushing for improved ties with the Iranian regime.

[Link: www.insightmag.com...]

A third cash-and-Kerryer, who during this same period gave Kerry more than $180,000, is Hassan Nemazee. This Iranian-American investor raised a cool $250,000 for Al Gore in November 1995, and he and his family slushed another $150,000 to Democrats during the mid-1990s. Six Nemazee family members and friends (including the caretaker of his 12-acre Katonah, N.Y., estate) donated a total of $60,000 - the maximum legally allowed - to Clinton's legal-defense fund.

In the closing days of 1998 Clinton named Nemazee his ambassador-designate to Argentina. Hillary Rodham Clinton embraced the Muslim moneyman at a January 1999 White House celebration of the Islamic holiday Eid. The Senate, however, refused to confirm the controversial nominee after a Forbes magazine investigation exposed Nemazee's questionable business dealings. The Forbes investigation also documented how, in order to get his hands on public-employee pension-fund monies allocated for minority managers, the U.S.-born Nemazee falsely had claimed to be a Hispanic of Venezuelan background and, on another occasion, an Asian-Indian.

But Nemazee's cynical lust for money can be frightening as well as laughable. He is a founding board member of the Iranian American Political Action Committee, which seeks to create friendly and lucrative business relationships with the medieval theocratic dictatorship now ruling Iran. Iran is, of course, an "Axis of Evil" nation that seeks to acquire nuclear weapons and is on our State Department's official list of nations that support terrorism. Nemazee seeks to enrich himself by further enriching the power-mad mullahs ruling Iran.

49 igor  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:01:47pm

Narniaman:

Maybe Kerry is pandering to the American Muslim voters by trying to appease the mad mullahs of Iran? Most American Muslims hate Bush anways, so it's an easy demographic to secure.

50 Ted  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:01:53pm

Be careful of this one. The second paragraph indicates that this is an appeal from Americans who have worked abroad. The actual email is probably from some "citizens" group that supports Kerry. Of course it is a cute trick to forward it from Kerry's office, but I think he probably has deniablility on this.

51 follow the money  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:03:55pm

I never thought that I would say this but at this point I'd prefer Hillary to John Kerry.
Face it guys, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people...we're getting a dhimmicrat in 2004.

52 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:05:28pm

Along the same lines as this:

Kerry Campaign Caught Telemarketing From Canada

What is happening with the U.S. job market? Ask JFK?

53 Maui Girl  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:09:06pm

Either way, I look forward to Mr. Kerry explaining this article away.

54 Big Dan  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:09:23pm

Google is your friend. This email is NOT from Tehran, it is posted on JOHN KERRY's website as being from an assortment of individuals.

It is not FROM Kerry, it is to and about him. The text is all there. Here's the url:

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/aok/letter020 6.html

Here is the rest:


Please remember to stand in your Dems Abroad caucus this weekend. Click below to get schedule information:

[Link: www.democratsabroad.org...]

Sincerely,

Ambassador Alan Blinken
Former Ambassador to Belgium

Lt. General (Ret.) Claudia Kennedy
Former U.S. Army Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence; Chairman First Star

Ambassador Sam Brown
Former Ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe

Rand Beers Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Combating Terrorism

[more...]

55 BB  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:09:47pm

Strange letter to Iran. Is Kerry trying to befriend Iran? Strange because he is not a Muslim. Maybe he didn't realize that Iran is a Muslim religious state. Does Kerry see some kind of value in Iranian recognition and support. Maybe he just wants to get the fundraising that the PA and hizbollah gets too. He is recognizing a union of religion and state that is growing in the mid-east as a stage for endorsed extremism and terror. Wow, we need a change in the US, but if this letter is for real, Kerry is just too strange to be that solution. What's more strange is the wide support he is receiving from the media. Does he plan to push the Iranian policies in the US to gain Irans support? Hope not, cause that is just plain scary. I believe there is some repairing of international affairs created by GWB, but Kerry doesn't seem much better. What to do as an American voter. After that Bush speech the other night, things are looking bleak in the US presidential political arena.

#50 perhaps a Kerry support has sent this...still strange.

56 Ol' Southern Boy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:10:37pm

This is flat-out astounding. It beggars the imagination.

Kerry's returned to his Vietnam roots (did you know he served in Vietnam?) by emulating one of his early idols: Hanoi Jane.

Say hello to Tehran John.

(Somebody, please, photoshop Kerry's head onto that pic of Jane Fonda sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun.)

57 fragmeyer  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:10:59pm

# 50 Ted...

You may be right. It'll be interesting (I use the word loosely) to see Kerry's reaction though...

Ugh, well, we will continue to support the diversity of the peoples of Iran, while at the same time being proactive about pursuing a mutually benificial understanding in regards to...blah blah blah...I know real war, ladies and gentlemen, and let me tell you right here and now that....etc etc..."
58 esteban  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:11:26pm

this can't be legit. If it is, this man is a traitor. Off with his head.

59 quark2  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:13:01pm

@23

No, we need a Teddy Roosevelt.

60 Camel Prophet  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:13:16pm

OT:
The pre-charcoal' Saud entity has given its highest award for "service to islam" to a Sudanese airforce commander, who: in 1989, overthrew a pro-American government after it received one-half billion US aid; in 1991, air bombed 300,000 Sudanese refugees who were on a forced return from Ethiopia; facilitated enforcement of islamic sharia tyranny; enabled foreign jihadis - including Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda - to set up shop in Sudan; waged genocide against Dinkas and Christians; assisted the massacre of 2,000 Nuba people, on Christmas Day, 1992; commanded troops were gave financial rewards to troops who impregnated rape victims in South Sudan; assisted General Aideed, in his attacks on US troops in Somalia; supported the Bashir government, which were hosts of al-Qaeda, who paid former US President Dhimmi Carter to pronounce, that there is "no proof" that Bashir supports international terrorism, etc

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

61 Ol' Southern Boy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:13:31pm

"(Somebody, please, photoshop Kerry's head onto that pic of Jane Fonda sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun.)"

Maybe Cox & Forkum could make it into a cartoon!

Please?

62 Cooper for President  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:15:04pm

... Speaking of Dhimmi Carter, there's a nifty new Carter bumper sticker at the bottom of this page.

'Coop

63 Lively  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:15:19pm

#40 FH:

I have looked all over, where can one find an actual text of the Logan Act?

If you find the link, send it to Jesse Jackson too. He needs to read it.

64 IzzyFromAussie  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:15:28pm

Sounds like the Shimon Peres disease is contagious. Is Kerry setting up some kind of Geneva accord with Iran? Maybe the Swiss government will pay for it.

It's almost worth dusting off my old US citizenship to vote against this guy. After 26 years in Australia, that would make the second time I have bothered with a US election. On the other hand. now that we have a Free Trade Agreement between Australia and the US, I should probably vote for both governments - who invented dual citizenship? I am so confused.

65 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:15:43pm

This goes a long way to answering the question, who do the Jihadists want as President of the United States? Kerry or Bush?

It seems militant Islam has picked their man.

66 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:16:59pm

(#40) FH

18 U.S.C. 953

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

67 ralph  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:17:28pm

You don't undertand. John F. Kerry is stuck in the 1970's.
A loser.

68 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:17:53pm

Kerry: Best Friend to America's enemies.

69 fragmeyer  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:18:27pm

# 61 Old Souther Boy

Dunno if you saw this or not, but pretty close to the real thing...

Young Hanoi and the Ketchup Kid

70 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:19:10pm

#66 SoCalJustice

This certainly falls under the heading 'correspondence"

71 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:20:42pm

#23 Maine's Michael -saudi lapdog? The Saudi's just announced a 1.5 million barrel cut in oil production; just the thing the economy and Bush need, right?!
WAKE UP. The Saudi money has entranced Clinton and the Dem's far longer than it has Bush and the GOP. Couple this oil production cut with the "reaching out" (see, I CAN TOO be diplomatic) of the Kerry campaign to Iran, Syria, et.al., and tell me THEY'RE NOT SCARED TO DEATH OF BUSH BEING RE-ELECTED.
I think everyone here who wants verification that Kerry's office knew to whom the e-mail was sent is right.
But it doesn't really matter - if public outrage is the response (and no offense, folks, I mean PUBLIC not LGF) then Kerry's office will say "it was a mistake" (classic trial balloon) if there is no PUBLIC outcry and outrage, they won't answer the question.
Kerry is scum; but please, PLEASE, don't refer to him as JFK - the real JFK would be rollin' in his grave at what the Dems have come to.

72 papijoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:20:58pm

Gordon, if you're here, you got some 'splainin' to do

Anyone who says John Kerry is a traitor can take his talk of treason and shove it up his/her ass.
73 EE  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:21:07pm

This seems too weird to be true.

What would Kerry gain from this insanity? The Iranians don't vote in the election.

I have to withhold judgment on this until Kerry is asked whether he approved of this, or whether this was sent out by enemies of Kerry, or what.

Is it a dirty trick done by foes of Kerry in either party?

A reporter should ask him about this. Or anybody who gets a chance to ask a question at any appearance by him, should ask him about this. It's just too weird. He doesn't seem so imbalanced as to do such a thing.

74 Big Dan  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:25:01pm

Relax everyone...

As I mentioned in #54, this is an open letter FROM a group of retired AMBASSADORS to Democrats living abroad.

Feel free to flame the writers, but I'm guessing the Kerry campaign just sent out the letter to international news agencies. The Tehran text cut off the last paragraphs and the list of signers.

The entire text is posted on John Kerry's website:

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/aok/letter020 6.html

75 ralph  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:25:52pm

#73 ee

What would Kerry gain from this insanity?


dhimmocrats hoisted upon their own petard.

76 FH  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:28:32pm

#74

I am very glad to hear that.

77 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:29:01pm

#62 Cooper - that was low, brother, low. Click on your link and there's a tiny picture of Carter and someone - click on the picture and it takes you to Cooper's Store - where you can buy the T-shirt with the (still tiny) photo on it.
I really thought you were better than that.
#73 EE - what do you mean if Kerry approved of this? All that means is Kerry can say "some misguided staffer sent this, I certainly didn't see it beforehand." IF his office sent it, Kerry should be stuck with it. PERIOD.

78 EE  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:29:37pm

#74 Big Dan
That explains the mystery.

79 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:29:37pm

#54 Big Dan

Thanks for clearing up the origins and intended audience. Although it still doesnt sit well with me (to say the least ) that is on his official website.

I think I hear ".....you got some splainin to do!"

Also, there are more former ambassadors there than in any ex-patriot "gentlemans" club in Bangkok.

80 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:30:36pm

(#70) Jaffar

Yeah, but it's not from Kerry, and it's not addressed to the Mullahs (or their agents). Tehran Times screwed up the story.

81 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:31:25pm

I'm with the several of you that point out that this is sort of a form letter and that the mullahs aren't the intended audience. The real story, here, is that they found this noteworthy and published it. That to me is plenty ominous without worrying about whether Kerry's office meant to send it to them or not. That a terrorist, fascist Islamic totalitarian regime found solace and comfort in Kerry is the real outrage. Journalistic standards are notoriously loose down there, as is technical literacy, and they might not have a clue that this random email they got forwarded by God-knows-who wasn't intentionally sent to them.

82 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:34:25pm

#81 evariste

Exactly.

83 EE  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:34:42pm

#77 realwest
Anybody can copy something that is on a candidate's website. The Iranian newspaper didn't need any permission.

84 dr_dog  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:35:45pm

Heh... The great part about that letter is that it's about as specific as one of those "you are pre-approved!" letters from my bank. Pure campaign fluff -- he could've mailed this to any of two dozen European or Middle Eastern countries.

85 EE  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:38:18pm

If Kerry is the multilateralist that the ambassadors think he is, then I have all the more reason to vote for Bush.

However, Kerry was not so insane as to send a letter pledging collaboration to the mad mullahs of Iran. It just didn't make sense.

86 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:40:34pm

#54 and #74 Big Dan - a very nice and important pick up. But it DID come from Kerry's campaign headquarters, didn't it? How did it get sent to the Mehr News Agency? And why was it sent to them? Is the Mehr News Agency on Kerry's "go to" e-mail list?
The only really good news is the list of people who signed it almost all had to sign "Former" ambassador or whatever.

87 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:41:27pm

#84 dr_dog

he could've mailed this to any of two dozen European or Middle Eastern countries

Then, why Iran?

{Working under a premise that this was e-mailed by the Kerry camp. IMO, it was not}

88 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:45:22pm

#83 EE - now I'm confused - I thought Kerry's campaign office sent this to the Mehr News Agency. IF so, the question I posed in #86 is still unanswered: is the Mehr News Agency on Kerry's "go to" list and if so, why?

89 Kat  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:47:47pm

I thought it was Hanoi John--now it's Tehran John. Traitor of many colors.
[Link: www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com...]

90 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:49:05pm

Astonishing. And of course the biased liberal press, who are active in there fervor to unseat Bush, won’t mention this. Instead, they want to grill Bush over his service in the National Guard 30 some years ago. Who fucking cares.

The democrats and their accomplices in the media should be ashamed. Alas, they are not, nor will they ever be.
We need to get this information OUT!


Here is a link to the PBS story re: Canadian journalist Zahra Kazemi was tortured and murdered by Iranian security agents after she attempted to report on the growing opposition movement in Iran. and the slaughtering of dissidents and students.

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

91 Red Herring  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:51:00pm

Apparently, the letter was originally written by a group of Kerry supporters, and subsequently forwarded to the Tehran Times by Kerry's stuff. The very fact that a ayatollahs' mouthpiece chose to re-print Kerry's campaign literature speaks volumes about the nature of his candidacy.

KERRY/FONDA 2004!

92 BB  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:53:20pm

# 74 - [Link: www.johnkerry.com...]

The link above you provided is help full and reassuring in many ways to see. But the letter does represent a issue that Kerry may like to address; which is does he know of the use of this letter on his site and what damages to be fixxed he is speaking of in the letter. From this quote from the tehrantimes.com article it seems Kerry's office did send it:

'WASHINGTON (Mehr News Agency) -- The office of Senator John Kerry, the frontrunner in the Democratic presidential primary in the U.S., sent the Mehr News Agency an e-email saying that Kerry will try to repair the damage done by the incumbent president if he wins the election.'

Many European Ambassadors and Former Ambassadors are listed there along with other foriegn nations to the US.

Following this link [Link: www.democratsabroad.org...]
Encourages, 'Democrats living outside of the United States can participate in our worldwide Caucus...'

but at this link
[Link: www.democratsabroad.org...]
there is no mention of Iran as even being one of these countries.

93 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:54:25pm

OT

Palestinian factions turn on each other in West Bank city

With the collapse of order has come a surge in extortion, kidnapping for ransom and the settling of feuds between rival families dressed up as killing collaborators.
Among the dead are several innocent bystanders killed in the crossfire of botched abductions and gunbattles on the streets. They include a 13-year-old boy shot on his way to get a haircut and a mother of three murdered while buying medicine for one of her children.
94 Kustie the Klown  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:58:37pm

#1 Oggie--

Hardware Wars! Haven't seen that since 1978.

95 quark2  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 5:59:51pm

I posted a link to pictures of Kerry during his protest days on an earlier thread, the whole website has been taken down.
I linked to that site through NewsMax, wonder what's going on.

Glenn over at Instapundit is reporting an item that Kerry is using a call center for his phone service in Canada.

Charles
Glenn has also posted an article about a huge scandal being reported in Canada.

96 Cooper for President  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:00:14pm

Realwest (#77),

Sorry 'bout that!

:P

I've posted several bumper stickers on my site in recent days. Most of them you can click on to get a bigger view.

I forgot that one took you to the 'tard store!

I'm laughing as I type this, but that was honestly NOT my intention....

Anyway, I'm having a President's Sale this week and....

'Coop

97 Cooper for President  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:02:19pm

Oh, and BTW, the picture of the guy with Carter was none other than his hero (and possibly lover) Fidel Castro.

98 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:02:48pm

OT

Latest PA scandal

Palestinian prime minister linked to concrete sale for Israeli settlements

Jamal Shati, a member of a parliamentary committee that is going to Jordan and Egypt on Thursday to investigate whether Palestinian cement companies are providing Israel with material for the barrier, denied Mr Qurie was part of the investigation.

and also

The French public prosecutor confirmed that an inquiry into Suha Arafat, who lives in Paris, was launched last October after information provided by the Bank of France and a government anti money-laundering body. The investigation centres on transfers of 9 million into Mrs Arafat’s French accounts.
99 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:13:15pm

Clark just dropped out of the running.

100 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:14:21pm
101 ken  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:14:42pm

Who will Al Queda be voting for???? His campaign posters will probably show him with his arm around bin laden.
What a guy!!!!!

102 Baldy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:16:35pm

#18 Jaffar - Oh. For some reason I thought was the law against taking women across state lines for immoral purposes. I get a lot of things confused though...

103 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:18:05pm

And it's Kragar by a nose.

104 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:19:07pm

Aaaarrrrgggghhhh !!!!!

OK, mind is made up. I am now more against Kerry than I ever was with Shi*di*k Willy. I am sick of Kerry flaunting his service in Vietnam for votes. Service in Vietnam has absolutely fuc*ing nothing to do with the situation now. You know, F it. I am so pissed right now that I can't put down coherent posts so I will do like the rest of America and stick my thumb up my as* and listen to how great this shi*bag is.

105 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:19:59pm

And VA voted for him. WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

106 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:24:39pm

#105 RWC

Well, the VA dhimmies did. Now the real question is whats the ratio of dhimmies to republicans, and how many democrats skipped the primaries and will vote for Bush in november.

107 Kirk  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:31:28pm

I thought the looniest thing we'd hear from Kerry was his promise to give the French veto power over American foreign policy. Wrong again. How would Charles put it: "Kerry finds bottom, digs"?

108 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:32:15pm

Sorry to be a nudge, everyone, but I'm still waiting for an answer to the questions I posed in #86 and reposited in #88 - is the Mehr News Agency on Kerry's go to e-mail list and if so, why?

109 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:34:37pm

#106 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

Hopefully not many. But the commonwealth did elect the shi*brick Mark "well, we will probably have to raise taxes" Warner. I still think Bush will carry VA though. If not, it's time to move.

110 Baldy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:35:21pm

The Tehran Times printing this makes me think they don't want Kerry to win. Can they really be this stupid?
Can Kerry really be this stupid?

111 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:36:34pm

#108 realwest

I wouldn't be any help on that one -- hey, don't look so shocked :-)

112 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:37:27pm

#108 realwest, has anyone here given you the impression that they work in Kerry's office?
How about in Mehr News Agency?

113 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:37:48pm

RWC, LOL!

114 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:39:14pm

#110 Baldy

The Tehran Times printing this makes me think they don't want Kerry to win. Can they really be this stupid? Can Kerry really be this stupid?

I would say Yes and Yes. Now the important question. Will this get any play in the mainstream news outlets ? I am sad to say.....no.

115 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:40:01pm

realwest

That's a question for Kerry's campaign. Not one, that could be answered unless there were some massive googling and no small amount of virtual good luck.

116 Gary Bruce  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:40:33pm

Now that we're in the general election, change your perspective on what is permissable behavior, cause we're now living in a wilderness of mirrors, where reality is deliberately skewed by political professionals for strategic advantage.

This will continue without letup until the election, ten months from now. Weird, ain't it? All it took was two weeks to enter this bizzaro world: from January 19 to February 3rd. But we're in it now up to our necks.

117 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:44:11pm

#113 evariste

Oh, so I amuse you. So when I am pissed it's funny, huh. Glad you think so.

Just kidding, It's just that I just got back from dinner and hanging out at my brothers house and I was listening to AM on the way home (I don't know why people don't want me to drive anywhere) and there were some people saying what a hero Kerry was/is. Just made me sick. But then I watched Yatta, and everything is gonna be alright. :-)

118 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:44:31pm

RWC,

No worries, a little birdy told me tha Bush might win the vote in Texas. Just a hunch, I could be wrong :p
The Electoral College votes will be a nice haul, and a good starting point.

119 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:46:18pm

#116 Gary Bruce

Yep. Stock tip - buy stock in Miller Lite (don't know the trading symbol, but guaranteed to go up ;-)

120 George AWOL Bush  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:47:34pm

Maybe Kerry's just trying to take the same route Reagan did. My favorite vegetable!

121 Geepers  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:49:09pm

Right Wing Conspirator, Check your eMail.

122 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:50:32pm

#111 Right Wing COnspirator - that's not shock, that's dismay that one of my idols DOESN'T know the answer to something like that.
#112 Evariste - ouch, that hurt. It's just that so many folks here seem to be so plugged in that I THOUGHT, MAYBE someone knew. Well excuuuuuse me!

123 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:51:25pm

#120 George AWOL Bush

Buzz off.

124 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:51:34pm

#118 RIP Ford

I know. Just that I think that I have been getting sucked in with the 'polls' and such. Even though I have never believed them before. It's just if Kerry wins, we are in for a sh*tstorm that he will NOT be able to handle. (disclaimer - maybe the shi* won't hit the fan until after he is gone, but it will be directly linked to his pacifist, poll watching decisions.) Hey, who's up for more rambling. Great. This crap about the community of nations liking us - umm, short answer - FU*K 'EM.

125 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:51:38pm

realwest

Since this letter seems to have been initiated by several former ambassadors, I suppose one of them forwarded it to Kerry's office, maybe with a list of recommended news outlets to send it to. It does seem...strange...that a U.S. Senator would have an Iranian news agency in its contacts list. It does speak volumes, however, that it was published immediately...

"GO KERRY GO!" - mullahs

126 Baldy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:52:26pm

#129 George AWOL Bush - I hope you aren't referring to President Reagan's illness. That really is cruel.

(This coming from someone who was vehemently against Reagan, worked on Mondale campaign...)

127 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:52:44pm

realwest-wasn't trying to be a bastard (OK, with a bit of alky and no weed in me I'm not exactly Yatta, so maybe I was a little) :-)
It just seemed like it stands to reason that if anyone here had that kind of information, it would be prominently posted without anyone needing to ask for it.

128 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:54:22pm

#120 George AWOL Bush

Is there some punchline about Teresa Heinz coming?

129 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 6:58:28pm

RWC,

No worries.

I understand. That is why I get most of my news on the net, I can filter out the garbage much easier. It helps keep me on an even keel. Oh, and the booze helps too.

{I only listen to NPR when I'm on my way to the gym.}

130 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:00:13pm

evariste,

Clue me in. What is Yatta? Am I getting old, or something?

131 Baldy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:00:26pm

I can understand some mistake in this being sent, or some outside group sending it. What I can't understand is why the mullahs would print it. If they really want Kerry to win, this is counter-productive. Then again, the LLL's believe the world only started hating the US when GWB was inaugurated, so it won't decrease their support.

Oh. I remember now, the Mann Act was concerning transporting women...

132 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:01:28pm

#127 evariste - it does stand to reason, and if I hadn't had a little of what you did and a little more of what you didn't I should have thought of that.
But that guy Big Dan seemed to be pretty tuned into the basic sources of the story, and since the report from the Teheran Times stated that the e-mail to Mehr came from Kerry's campaign office, I was just sort of hoping.....well, you know.
Anyway, it's beddy bye time for me - gotta go to work to feed that nasty, eat two or three times a day every day habit.
See ya tommorow (allah willing!) - keep the faith!

133 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:02:17pm

RIP Ford, the Yatta page. Your best bet is to see the Windows Media version of the original, here.

134 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:02:57pm

see you tomorrow inshallah, Bob :-)

135 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:03:59pm

Sorry-realwest. I'm still used to Bob. :-)

136 newsonterror.com  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:04:18pm

Kerry as President would be a disaster for the USA especially since we stand today on the verge of the Jihad going nuclear. Here is something in the context of this seminal event - the nuclearization of the Jihad [Link: www.newsonterror.com...]

Nailing Musharraf's Lies

Musharraf says "If the USA had shared with me AQ Khan's activities in advance, I could have taken action and many things that happened, would not have happened." Fine Mr. Musharraf, but now at least the USA has shared with you all of Khan's doings. What have you done about that? You have pardoned Khan, allowed him to keep his ill-gotten wealth, said that he is a National Hero. Is this what you would have done had the USA shared with you info on Khan, in advance?

Come clean Mr. Musharraf. Only after Khan threatened to reveal everything that you browbeat him to make a public confession, absolving you and others. And you have the cheek to say that the USA should have taken you into confidence, you an accomplice to nuclear proliferation! Mind you Mr. Musharraf, the USA knows your role in this and we are not nailing you and your country immediately, since we need to maintain the status quo, till our Presidential elections are through. Since we do not want a messy Pakistani campaign (in addition to the Iraqi campaign)on our hands in the few months between us and the elections

Once the elections are through, the USA will come back to you giving you another ultimatum like the one Colin Powell gave you on the 12th of September 2001, "Are you with us or with the Terrorists". And you chickened out. You also have chickened out with the Indians on Kashmir, No longer do you call the Kashmir Jihadis as "freedom fighters". You have a record of chickening before American pressure, after trying to pull wool over their eyes. This time we Americans will ask you "Are you giving up Pakistan’s nuclear assets to us as South Africa and Kazakstan did, or are you not?" We will not even ask you "Are you opening up your nuclear facilities for inspection", as we (through the IAEA) have asked Iran and Libya. Since we know that Pakistan not only has nukes but successive Pakistani governments have proliferated nuclear capability to states like Iran and North Korea who are wanting to destroy our country. The Libyan dictator chickened up on seeing Saddam’s coming out of the spider-hole and he spilled the beans on Pakistan.

We have been keeping tabs on KRL (Kan Research Labs) since many years, so we know the extent of Pakistani involvement in the proliferation game. And in this game. Khan is only a mask, the real face is that of the Pakistani ruler, which happens to be you at present (we don’t know for how long though). All of your predecessors starting from Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Zia-ul-Haq, Nawaz Sharif and now yourself have been the secret initiators of the proliferation game. And you yourself are a past-master at this game, the way you smartly organized Kargil against India. So we trust your ability to manage such secretive games.

"Pakistan is America’s next Target." - Pervez Musharraf

You are normally on your guard about what you say. But once you had let down your guard before the American liberation of Iraq and had said that Pakistan could be the next American target. You were so prophetic, Mr. Musharraf! Yes Pakistan would be the next American target in the War on Terror, but not for now till the our Presidential election are over. Till then you have breathing space. Try some new tricks Mr. Musharraf and see if you can save your skin before then by taking Osama Bn Laden’s advice by "transferring enough dough to Swiss banks and fleeing after handing your country to the Hindus", before we get you or before the Jihadis get you. Only till then are we going to pretend that we have bought your act of injured innocence in the game of nuclear proliferation.

We Americans know the truth and you also know we know it. Time is running out fast for you Mr. Musharraf. Only for the time being we will play along with you to say to the world that we are satisfied at your pardon to the proliferator of nuclear terrorism, and that we consider the nuclearization of the Jihad by a Pakistani to be the internal matter of Pakistan. Don’t be naïve enough to believe this Mr. Musharraf. C'mon, Mr. Musharraf, we Americans don't take the security of our Homeland that lightly!

[Link: newsonterror.com...]

137 Gary Bruce  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:05:26pm

#110 Baldy. The Tehran Times printing this makes me think they don't want Kerry to win. Can they really be this stupid? Can Kerry really be this stupid?

Right Wing Conspirator: I would say Yes and Yes. Now the important question. Will this get any play in the mainstream news outlets ? I am sad to say.....no.

You're very slow, aren't you RWC? By what you write, you still think you're living in a normal world instead of a hothouse one. Most of the "mainstream news" haven't been mainstream in decades, but advocates for their party on the Left. Think of the mainstream media as the Red Orchestra, a propaganda machine which ensures the Left gets its message out in a coordinated, sustained manner.

When the stakes are national, they not only go into overdrive but they skew what you consider real or normal, so that you can't find the truth, and thereby fight them effectively. Was I too subtle in using a metaphor like "wildnerness of mirrors?" I'll use really simple ones next time.

You're a disgrace to all right wingers. Get a new nic.

138 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:09:30pm

evariste,
Thanks, I'll have to check it when I get to the office. I'm on an old laptop and dial up. A frustrating combination.

139 Yankee Zionist  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:11:25pm

I don't buy this article. I don't think it's true. If it is, it's a bombshell, but I don't think it's true.

140 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:13:12pm

Gary Bruce, STFU, STFD and don't be such an asswipe, why are you making personal attacks on RWC? He's a lot more valuable to this forum than you are, and I suggest you eat your words.

141 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:14:12pm

RIP Ford, take care watching that at the office, it features men covered only in figleaves :-)
But then, you own your business, don't you?

142 Nancy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:14:21pm

I am speechless.

That man is a threat to our security.

143 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:15:02pm

Gary Bruce,

Why be such an ass when making a point? Was not RWC in agreement with your original "mirrors" post?

144 fat.elvis  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:16:14pm

OT

dork thought:

can't wait to be live blogging with you guys come November 2. I think I'll get a fifth of Jack Daniels and whole line-up of various pork products. plan to take the next day off because of assured happiness/misery hangover.

145 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:17:48pm

evariste,

Yes. My boss is a real jerk too. I might just quit if the slave driver doesn't let up soon. :p

146 evariste  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:19:28pm

RIP Ford-Heh :-)

147 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:20:00pm

I was just checking out updates on the grand jury questioning of White House staffers concerning the "outing of CIA agent"; you all know, the wife of former ambassador to Gabon, Joe Wilson

Same Joe Wilson who signed the letter posted at JohnKerry.com

Same Joe Wilson who is one of top advisors to John Kerry

Seems like Joe's looking for a better post than Gabon.

148 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:23:07pm

#121 Geepers

Keep that info coming buddy. (ps - thanks. And yes I hav high speed so no problem there.)


#122 realwest

Check your mail. Sorry if it's long winded, drawn out, etc... ;-)

149 into_the_dark  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:28:27pm

this whole affair seems a wee bit out of proportion. jumping the gun perhaps?

150 EyeSight  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:29:11pm

Check out these fake Iranians - these are Iranians who support the regime and attack everyone else.. They bash LittleGreenFootballs, ActivistChat.com and Michael Ledeen all in one thread... check it out:
[Link: www.eyeranian.net...]

151 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:31:28pm

hell, the E in HAVE is silent anyhow. That's why I didn't include it in my #148. (I like to conserve, why waste pixels)

evariste & RIP Ford - sitting in a tree K - I - S -S -I.......

just kidding. thanks for the defense there. But I think Gary Bruce just made a mistake or didn't realize what I was saying. If not, then F'em. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, because he categorized me as the total opposite of what I posted, so there is something screwy with it.

152 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:31:50pm

OT # 148 RWC

Hello, howareya, howareya, howareya?
(Notice someone is nice to you just before they ask a favor?)

Do you happen to know where I could find clips from the movie Buckaroo Bonzai (I would like to try to do something with a tripanel with ALGORE/Worfen/SADDAM)

No pressures, no rush, Im off all week.

153 RF  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:33:36pm

Reads like Kerry's staff sent the standard campaign statement to a foreign news agency that happens to be in Iran.

Big flippin' deal.

John Kerry is no wuss. He will waste the terrorists just like he wasted the commies in the Nam. If Iran thinks they can build a nuke under Kerry's watch, he will glass their camel land over.

Goodbye, George-porgy. Goodbye tax cuts for the rich. Goodbye environmental destruction. Goodbye "global warming doesn't exist." Goodbye outsource every good paying American job. Goodbye Hoover 2. Goodbye out of control deficit spending. Goodbye stupid idiotic welcome-every-impoverished-sap immigration plan. Goodbye pandering to Mexico. Goodbye take a month of vacation in August 2001 before the terrorists strike. Goodbye drilling in ANWR. Goodbye shutdown of Amtrak. Goodbye "No Child Left Behind." Goodbye stupid pointless wasteful prescription drug plan.

Goodbye press conferences at the Mosque and declaring Islam "a religion of peace."

Goodbye giving Saudi Arabia a free pass.

Goodbye giving Syria a free pass.

Goodbye giving Iran a free pass.

Goodbye giving Indonesia a free pass.

Goodbye George "Can't get his head out of his ass" Tenet.

Goodbye Robert "Can't catch a foreign spy" Mueller.

Goodbye playing nice with Putin.

Goodbye "Palestinian state."

Goodbye, dumbass president.

Goodbye to all that.

154 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:41:01pm

Goodbye RF

155 Baldy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:43:14pm

#153 RF

If Iran thinks they can build a nuke under Kerry's watch, he will glass their camel land over.

Really?

156 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:44:58pm

#153 RF

Frank J over at IMAO did a parody of DU. RF is a parody.

Actually I think you may well have had a traumatic experience in elementary school having had to write the word "Goodbye" 5k times for wanking off to little boys undies.

wanker

157 Sergio  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:49:49pm

So let's see, there's Kerry+Mullahs versus GWB+freedom (as represented by free Iraqis, Iranian students who want the Mullahs gone, the 1/3 of the Iranian parliament that just walked off, the Syrian who just signed that petition, etc.). My vote goes to GWB.

158 gymnast  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:51:16pm

My man, The rev. Al Sharpton did not write this letter and attribute it to John Kerry. First of all he can't spell well enough (didn't go to no Ivy League finishing school you know) and secondly the only Muslims the Rev has any real truck with belong to Calypso Louie and Jesse Jackson. Finally while the Rev acknowledges that he would have tried to do it if he had thought of it first he didn't and suggests that you check with Howard Dean.

159 Chris  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:53:16pm

#153

Reads like Kerry's staff sent the standard campaign statement to a foreign news agency that happens to be in Iran.

Shouldn't that give you pause to begin with? His staff shouldn't be unaware of that fact...

John Kerry is no wuss. He will waste the terrorists just like he wasted the commies in the Nam.

If he really was proud of "wasting the commies" then explain that little thing about throwing medals over the White House lawn...

160 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:55:57pm

#152 stevieboy

Don't know if this will help

Buckaroo Bonzai.

But there is a webring of Buckaroo Bonzai sites (huh ??)

161 into_the_dark  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 7:57:54pm

#159

"Shouldn't that give you pause to begin with?"

er, why? appears like standard campaign schlock to me, and the news agency appears to have dreamed up the "repair the damage" bit, the letter doesnt mention anything specific, indeed its a standard campaign letter form fitted for just about... everyone.

probably just something sent out to everybody and their mothers.

162 Jaffar  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:05:05pm

153 RF

Goodbye indeed. Let's compare the record:

GWB liberated 50 MILLION people in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Kerry: Married well. Twice. Tossed someone else's medals. Sponsored no legislation of note during his entire Senate career.

I'll take what's behind door #1, please.

163 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:11:01pm

161 into-the-dark

check the link to the website and page from above.

then check out the talking points about building bridges to the Islamic World.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

164 into_the_dark  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:14:13pm

talking points abt. building bridges? where?

sorry, im new...

165 quark2  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:14:40pm

@154 RIPFord

*LMAO!

166 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:18:49pm

#160 RWC

Sorry, zipped right past your response, super quick, thankyou.

I was hoping there might be a pic or two. An entire webring? Now that is scary---I mean Its a great flic and all but an entire webring with cyberrangers and everything?

(although seeing that it might be a show on Fox, that would be pretty cool, I think)

167 stevieboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:26:55pm

#164 into_the_dark

Sorry. go to JohnKerry.com. go to americans overseas in communities. click on talking points under letter.

168 Yehudit  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:27:03pm

John Kerry: Jimmy Carter v. 2.0

169 Yehudit  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:33:26pm

How Kerry is telling both Jewish and Arab voters what they want to hear.

170 Julia the Horrible  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 8:39:35pm

I'd be curious to see how many Virginians actually voted in this primary. My place of employment is a polling place, and traffic was pretty light. When I showed up for work at 8:30 there was a Clark sign and nothing else, no door-vultures, etc. The Kerry campaign didnt even have a sign out until after noon.

Some of the people I ran into were Republicans going to vote against Kerry.

I guess we'll see Ralph Nader coming out more again, which would be wonderful.

I love the photo of Kerry Boxing Al Sharpton affectionately.

171 into_the_dark  Tue, Feb 10, 2004 9:15:19pm

#167

Sorry. go to JohnKerry.com. go to americans overseas in communities. click on talking points under letter.

er.. I see what you mean, kind of. I'm not one to regard this as some sort of smoking gun. methinks you guys already have questions about his patriotism?

172 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 12:46:31am
173 Rimshot  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 1:22:47am

John Kerry Says He Worked Hard to Become Mr. Heinz
1/30/2004 - William Grim

Paris, France - Speaking from his presidential campaign headquarters this morning, Senator John F. Kerry-Heinz denied accusations from his opponents for the Democrat nomination that he is a “glorified gigolo” and “playboy” who has used his wife’s millions to garner a top position in the crowded field for the Democrat nomination.

Kerry-Heinz seemed particularly upset at the Rev. Al Sharpton’s characterization of him as a “lazy ass cracker who’s never worked a day in his life.” Kerry-Heinz’s voice almost displayed emotion as he told the press, “I’ll have you know that I worked very hard to become Mr. Heinz and have access to my wife’s inheritance. I had to work out three hours a day and undergo a strict nutritional regimen to be able to compete against the young gigolos out there, many of whom are two decades younger than me. And I did it before viagra.”

Kerry-Heinz then stormed out of the session, but returned briefly to announce, “And another thing. Bagging an older wealthy widow has changed me in many ways. I have a lot more respect for Richard Gere now.”

In related news, Senator Kerry-Heinz announced that if he is elected president he will divorce his current wife and will marry either Queen Noor of Jordan, Anna-Nicole Smith or a widow to be named later.


[Link: www.brokennewz.com...]

174 Birdgunner  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 2:15:38am

As a Canuck I'm not all that familiar with US treason legislation, but isn't there something in your laws about giving "aid and comfort to the enemy"? (we've got it, we just can't seem to enforce it against our own politicians).

And for that matter, isn't that precisely what Kerry did before the Senate in 1971? I don't give a damn what Bush was doing during Vietnam - at least he wasn't sitting in front of elected officials, calling his comrades-in-arms baby-killers and rapists.

Electing this loony-left freak show would be nothing short of national suicide for you guys - and by association, would doom the rest of the world to bend-over, take-it-up-the-ass Clintonian do-nothingism. Take it from someone who's suffered under a faux-multilateralist liberal dictatorship for more than a decade now - western civilization can't afford John Kerry.

For all our sakes, I hope the stalwart citizens of the Land of the Free don't decide to punish yet ANOTHER President for winning a war.

175 J.D.  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 3:54:30am

John Kerry gives me the creeps. Talk about the idle rich. Appeasement isn't a rational foreign policy. But it's easy - for awhile.
[I can hardly wait until VDH weighs in on this.]

176 Ed Moran:Abu ABu FLASH FLOOD WATCH  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 4:09:35am

A whole bottle of Robitussin couldn't keep me from coughing up my left lung last night, so I called in sick today, and will go back to bed soon.

As my better half dressed for work, I watched the Perky al-Qaedie Couric ask Condoleeza Rice if the entire revelation about Pakistan and its nuclear black market wasn't just a Bush administration ploy to divert the American people's attention from Bush's National Guard service.


I kid you not. Condi was there to talk about national security issues, and every question was about Bush and the Texas ANG

177 O-Zone-Ist  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 4:35:50am

My God.You guys have got one helluva sucker-upper in your election midst.not even the Mullah-coddling political elites in this country (The UK) would do this.Is this going to ingratiate him to the people (other than Michale Moore) are is it going to cost him electorally?

178 Ral  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 4:46:05am

The Front for the Liberation of Palestine (Washington Office),
Corrie/Mandela/Mugabe/Arafat/Sheen House,
1814 Carter Way,
Washington, DC.
The Cause of all Evil (USA).

Dear Dictators of Iran,

If I am democratically [sorry we can't find that word in our Arabic dictionary] elected [ditto] as president [please stop laughing] of the Great Satan [well one must be PC] I will do all in my power to stop you all feeling worried that you might be overthrown [please do feel free to murder protesters...sorry you already do] and freedom [sorry we can't find that word in our Arabic dictionary either...must be a typo] will be removed from millions of people [just as long as they aren't the left coast or euro whingers who think not being able to beat people up, promote treason or burn buildings is an attack on their civil liberties].

Yours,

John Kerry

cc: North Korea, Malaysia and any other dictators who want a copy.

179 Andy  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:09:25am

Did anyone read the text ? It's a boilerplate of Kerry's foreign policy emailed to some newspaper -- maybe they just got it from his site. There are no appeals for help. So why the outrage ?!

180 RIP Ford censored  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:15:07am

#165 quark2

I have my moments.

181 Unmutual  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:31:59am

OT

Photo of Kerry's book The New Soldier.

182 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:32:29am

This is the core of what is wrong with Kerry and his ilk:

The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of important international initiatives, from the Kyoto Accords to the Biological Weapons Convention, have alienated much of the world and squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11. This climate of hostility affects us all, but most especially impacts those who reside overseas.

The theory is that the 'climate of hostility' against America originated with George W Bush. These people are in deep denial about what really happened 9/11.

There was no real sympathy or support for America after 9-11 in Europe, just a lot of schadenfreude. I know. I was there. Immediately after the obligatory expressions of sympathy for the lives lost the whole 'America had it coming' line started. European politicians used 9-11 as an opportunity to push through the stalling unification by appealing to long lingering resentment against America. They thought they could use Iraq to score foreign policy points for Europe, put Europe on the map as the rival superpower to 'keep America in check'.

Again, as early as February 2001 the socialists in the European parliament claimed that America was 'drunk with power' and had to be stopped. George W. had been in office barely a month.

183 steve miller  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:43:48am

I don't think Kerry is committing treason here. He's a typical mealy-mouthed senator who likes to marry rich women and live off their riches - it sure beats working for a living. And he has no opposition in Massachusetts, so he doesn't have to do anything constructive in the Senate - no hard lifting. He can shift according to the winds. But treasonous - no. Typical - yes.

He wants it both ways. And so do lots of Americans. We want to be rich and happy without working. Sometimes the cards fall into place and we get that. Sometimes when that happens we feel a sense of "I didn't deserve this - I should examine my life." Most of the time it doesn't, and so we get a Senator Kerry.

184 Ben Chazer  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:49:36am

Kerry may become the next Jimmy (Dhimmi) Carter. I hope not. But I fear so.

185 pato  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:49:54am

Pato says-
They know about the letter now, and the campaign is in denial. check it out.
[Link: blog.johnkerry.com...]

186 Geepers  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:55:20am

Peter Verkooijen (#182),

They thought they could use Iraq to score foreign policy points for Europe, put Europe on the map as the rival superpower to 'keep America in check'.

And when America ignored their protestations and 'failed' to back down from toppling Saddam it highlighted that Europe wasn't a counter to US will. And it also showed that we not only don't need their approval, but we don't even need their help thus driving the point home. The US is leaving EU in the dust. Militarily we've shown them to be irrelevant. Morally we've shown them to be reprehensible. Is it any wonder they're so unhappy?

187 Uzi Narkiss  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:56:32am

Is it just me, or is John F. Kerry-Heinz' timing a bit, shall we say, inadequate? Should one really run such a letter (if one has to do that at all, but I'm no psychiatrist) on the 25th anniversary of the power grab by the "original Islamo-Fascist nutcases", as Mark Steyn would say?

Not that JFKH cares.

188 RIP Ford ®  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 6:06:16am

#185 pato

I couldn't find the denial in the blog, could you point me in the right direction?

189 pato  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 6:20:11am

it's under the first set off posts showing Shciff's support for kerry- they all say the letter is a fraud.

[Link: blog.johnkerry.com...]

190 stevieboy  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 6:44:30am

#189 pato

In case you havent checked lately, the letter and the talking points are gone from the website. Interesting.

191 pato  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 6:55:55am

No, it is still there from what I can tell.
This needs to be told to the US masses.
check out the last few posts in the first topic to see the abolute denials, that then turn to justification.

192 Geepers  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 7:14:48am

pato,

Don't the Kerry supporters, on the Kerry blog, know that this letter is posted on the Kerry web site.

"It's a Rove plant."? LOL.

And are you a really a GOP operative? LOL.

193 Clutch  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 7:14:56am

I think that we really ought to refer to Kerry as "jFk" not as "JFK". As in "john F**KING-TRAITOR-SELLOUT kerry".

194 RIP Ford ®  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 7:31:16am

#189 pato

Thanks. It must have been like banging your head against the wall.

195 Geepers Creepers  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 7:37:32am

Got a real Muslim live wire down in the Islamic Cell room.Get your ass down there and see the Mad Mullah from Miami live and dangerous.This is the Night Hawk Jack Killigan.

196 pato  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 7:48:08am

you guys on this board are the best. keep up your good work. I'm just a friendly irish american catholic that is looking to crush with no mercy, the virgin-seeking cowards of this world who kill in the name of some god.
I think the genl public would just PUKE to see this appeasement letter. I think the word should be spread on Kerry's solicitation letter.

197 Ronin  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 8:15:21am

Man this one issue is going to doom his campaign if he keeps it up, i dont know what the hell hes smoking but it is powerfull and long lasting. Pandering to the radical left is one thing but hes starting to scare the shit out of the conservitive democrats.
Gay rights: Good
Keep first and second term abortions legal: Good
Kissing the ass of countries out to destroy us and opening us up wide for another attack on US soil:F*CKING INSANE.

As it currently i will vote against him simply because i dont want my family killed, what the fuck is he thinking?

198 Paul from Hamburg  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 8:28:14am

I think it is very amusing when the American surrender movement argues that Ameriphobia is somehow related to our rejection of the Kyoto Accords.

Being generous, I will say that, if they took the time to think, they would probably admit that the vast majority of the worlds population is completely indifferent about Kyoto.

The suggestion that Kyoto has any bearing on Iran is simply an example of the pungent offal that subititutes for reasoned criticism among the American Left.

199 evariste  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 8:39:50am

Welcome, pato! Thanks for the heads-up on Kerry's blog.

200 Big Dan  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 9:25:02am

This letter was NEVER from Kerry. I think he's a little scum-bucket, personally, but that letter was from several AMBASSADORS and was addresses to Democrats overseas.

Charles put an update that

"Kerry’s office says that this email was sent to a list, and that someone from the Tehran Times subscribed to that list; it was not sent specifically to the mullahs, as the Tehran Times implied.

Nonetheless, the point remains that the sentiments in the email were obviously viewed with great interest by the Iranian leadership.

There's any number of ways that the letter got to Iran without someone sending it directly. After all, it's on LGF now isn't it? Kerry or his campaign must have sent it to Charles personally, right? NO.

The real story is that Iranian Mullahs took comfort in the sentiments expressed by Kerry supporters. THAT'S IT.

Sorry to shout, but don't blow this up in ways that simply aren't true. The truth (that mullahs liked it) is bad enough without fantasizing about the Iranian-filled-rolodexes of idiotic-campaign-staff assertions.

Big Dan

201 Yankev  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 11:07:45am

153 RF

Goodbye "Palestinian state."

Really? Would that be the same Kerry that said he would send Jimmy "the Israelis don't really want peace" Carter and Bill "Yasser Arafat wants peace" Clinton to the middle east to force the parties into negotiations? Somehow I am not encouraged.

By the way, I notice you have not replied to any of the responses to your post. Aich omrim b'Anglit "Troll"?

Vi zacht man in English "ferstunkener troll?"

Yankev

202 Sissy Willis  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 11:08:08am

The Democrats' front-runner sends a campaign pitch out of country to Iran's supreme leader. That seems HUGE, but all the mainstream media seem to care about is old rumors about GW's service in the National Guard, not to mention, of course, the very latest -- LIVE -- on Scott, Martha and the Jackson sibs.

[Link: sisu.typepad.com...]

203 ic  Wed, Feb 11, 2004 5:21:38pm

Read the whole thing: [Link: www.maarivintl.com...]

Excerpt:
Between the Potomac and the Euphrates

The unfolding political crisis in Iran is intimately linked to the goings-on in Washington. The perception that Bush may be a one-term president is what has emboldened the conservatives in Teheran to make a move on the reformists. No peace talks between Israel and Syria will take place until it becomes clear how important it is to the White House to uncover the WMD Saddam stashed away in Syria shortly before the balloon went up.
Jonathan Ariel

At the same time President Bush seemed assured of a second term. No one, not even the arch reactionary Ayatollah Ahmed Jannati, chairman of the Council of Guardians was willing to risk taking on George W. Bush, who had demonstrated very clearly his willingness to wield a very big stick. The only thing to assure this was to give the appearance that the reformists were, slowly but surely gaining the upper hand.

Events in Washington over the past month changed that perception. The conservatives seem to have decided that Bush could be vulnerable. As a result, they decided to renegotiate their agreement with Khatami, since they believe Iran can afford to get away with presenting a less enlightened image to the world. The result is the current crisis....

Teheran’s aim is to see Bush defeated. The thinking in Teheran is that a Democratic president would not have the stomach to go to war in order to save Iraq’s middle class. The result, snap elections won by the Shiites, the formation of a new anti-western Damascus-Baghdad-Teheran axis, armed with a large variety of lethal non conventional weapons,


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