Co-authored by Hanoi Jane?

I would expect to see a lot more of this book over the next nine months. Kerry has feet of clay.

First commenter -- at last!
On topic: this'll be a bombshell in the campaign.

#1 blackdog

First commenter -- at last!

D'oh!!

John Kerry was AWOL!

Lets start seeing him prove he showed up for duty every day.

I can't prove anything, but that never stops the dems from making gutter level accusations.

John Kerry is a total asshole.

Where's the napalm when you need it? Just because someone has the 'right' to do something doesn't mean that what they do is 'right'.

Wow.

That ain't pretty.

Looks like we've found the smoking gun.

Look at the flag in the cover photo.
If Kerry is elected his first act of office will be to make that the official display position.

Ooh, next thing you know we're gonna have to post that picture of him sitting behind Jane Fonda at one of those peace rallies, or talk about how he marched in Communist, pro-Viet-cong demonstrations and vilified his fellow soldiers, calling them rapists, murderers, and baby-killers.

Let's also not forget that he is the real murderer and baby-killer, and he is merely projecting this feeling of guilt onto the rest of the military. For anyone who didn't know, he is responsible for a raid on a supposed Vietcong village that ended up killing all the villagers but, if memory serves, not one VC. He was the one who gave the order to fire, too. There was a big special in TIME magazine about it.

There are two copies for sale on ebay.

This is not going to be the bombshell that people think it will be. For those against the war, it merely proves that he's willing to go against the very people he served with "for the right cause". How noble does that sound, to those who think that way? That'll draw him votes from that side. (Think about it - anti-war Vietnam vet?)

On the other side are those who dislike his anti-war stance, for whom this just proves his unworthiness to hold major office. Just another nail in the coffin, as it were.

The problem I'm seeing is things like the NY Post editorial, talking about his wealth, and how he's trying to look like "just plain folks". Umm, I hate to tell them this, but the same charges could be laid at Bush's feet, if phrased right. Bush also comes from a wealthy family, and enjoys the fruits of that wealth, and comes across as just plain folks. (Please don't read this as a condemantion of Bush - it was NOT meant to be such. I was simply pointing out what can honestly be said without either side having to lie.)

As for the election, I have the sneaking suspicion that it's going to be Bush V. Kerry, and that the race will be a closer race than people expect. (Hopefully not a replay of 2000...) I've also been known to be dead wrong with predictions like this, too, so take this one with a small Siberian salt mine...LOL

Wow!

John Kerry was one of the original Village People?

Who knew?

On a related note, Cox and Forkum hit the nail on the head again today.

That's a pretty freaky looking tome. Apparently Drudge has a Kerry interview where he says our troops would only be deployed by UN directive.

One question I've got is why the other candidates are just letting Kerry run away with the nomination. The usual political calculations? Edwards or Dean could step forward and ask Kerry if he thinks they're unfit to be president because they didn't fight in 'Nam. And of course our press corps is silent as a stone on the issue.

No doubt all the dapper looking revolutionaries on that cover are teaching 'social change' in some fluffy University, or writing stories for the New York Times.

#11 bbcrackmonkey

Are you thinking of Bob Kerrey maybe?

Make that three copies for sale on ebay.

Yup, he's quite the patriot there, ain't he? Celebrating the desecration of the flag, mocking Iwo Jima and all ...

bbcrackmonkey

Good to see you again, my man.

You've dropped the "Allah_Puncher" nick* I see. Any reason?

*Curses! I've been infected with that damned European 'practise' (heh) of calling a username a 'nick'. Very sad.

More photos from the book

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If John Kerry wants to parrot out Bush's war and intelligence failures, let's put the spotlight on that village full of Vietnamese peasants that John Kerry blew up looking for VC during his career as a military man. Talk about your intelligence failures!

Go to eBay for more photos. The book is selling there

#23 bbcrackmonkey

I've never heard these charges about John Kerry before. Are you making them up, or are you mistaking Bob Kerrey for John Kerry?

Is that Che holding the flag? Last I saw him he was starched in a Bolivial laundramat.

Revolting.
But-
do you think the liberal media will care?

I don't

andrew, might be bob kerrey, but I was pretty sure it was John Kerry, because in that Time magazine it said that the guy was a decorated war hero and possibly a presidential hopeful.

Hey Lewis, nice to see you again as well. Don't think I haven't been reading these threads frequently either, I'm just usually a lurker nowadays.

Anyways, off to search google for John Kerry's vietnam war record to prove whodunnit.

Damn hippies!
/cartman

#28 bbcrackmonkey

Time magazine it said that the guy was a decorated war hero and possibly a presidential hopeful

Bob Kerrey was a presidential hopeful before.

*Curses! I've been infected with that damned European 'practise' (heh) of calling a username a 'nick'. Very sad.

I had no idea that was a EUrotopian practice. But I don't automatically disdain all things EUrotopian. I like the German approach to speed limits, and the pan-EUrotopian absence of legal drinking ages (a thoroughly retarded example of American nanny-statery if ever there was one).

I know there's a lot of Harold Ford Jr. fans here (I'm one myself). Did anyone else see him lose his cool on Fox and Friends this morning? Wow! He didn't wig out or anything, but that isn't a side I'd seen before. Ford was talking calmly about how the allegations about the president's service shouldn't be made, then was asked about what kind of impact Kerry's voting record might have. He tensed up hard and said if Kerry's voting record was a topic for discussion (how unheard of!) then yes, he and Democrats would be accusing Bush of the crime of AWOL.

An out-of-character performance was also made by Estrich the other night. That's two operatives with reps for being friendly, frank and easy-going who have gotten very tweaked over the issue. Interesting times ahead, and we're still in the accelerated primaries!

Damn, damnitall to hell! You guys are right, it was Bob Kerrey.

Aw shucks, but hey, we still got a photo of John Kerry sitting next to Jane Fonda in a protest, while he's wearing full hippie gear and a beard.

Also, the fact that he comes out calling all his fellow soldiers baby killers and rapists during that time, but never bothered to report these supposed war crimes during the war when he was obligated to.

Thats a pretty hard core looking outfit. Which one is the thief, the murderer, the rapist, the clerk typist, and and pizza delivery boy for I corps. Or were they multi-tasking types?

#33 bbcrackmonkey

Damn your havin' a bad day. Kerry was in the background of that photo, clean shaven, not next to Hanoi Jane.

Dig those k-razy handelbar 'stashes. The 60's-70's ruined facial hair...

Kerry was AWOL, ... from the Senate.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) failed to add his voice in 63 instances this year, 34 percent of Senate votes. (Not included in this total are two votes he missed in February due to prostate surgery.)

Careful--Jane Fonda Kerry could well be our next president and Howard Dean -Sec of State. the media wants him and will ignore everything negative presented and will try 5 % harder over 2000 to elect their boy.
OT did you see ABC Notes where ABC admits detailed LLL bias

Reading down the page on Sgt. Grits Marine Forum, I saw this link to Vietnam Vetrans Against Kerry: [Link: www.usvetdsp.com...] which goes into great detail about Kerry's Vietnam activities. Very interesting stuff on the side of Kerry that the campaign won't mention.

andrew, no in the one I saw he had a full-on beard and long hair. Maybe there's more than one photo of it. Wouldn't that be nice?

I know there's a lot of Harold Ford Jr. fans here (I'm one myself). Did anyone else see him lose his cool on Fox and Friends this morning?

The Corner summed it up thusly:

One of the hosts brought up Kerry’s post-tour anti-war campaigning. Ford’s response was that if they were going to bring that up, he would bring up Bush’s service record. The host moved on and brought up Kerry’s voting record. To this, Ford gave the same response. In other words, he won’t talk about Bush’s service record anymore unless, of course, someone brings up anything uncomfortable about Kerry’s past.

Learned a new expression from Sgt. Grit's Forum:
POS

#40 bbcrackmonkey

If this is the photo you're talking about, he's in the background. (scroll down a little)

The only way the dems are going to win is if John McCain switches parties. Figure the odds.

Ohohoho!!! Kerry had civilian kills too! Talk about your intelligence failures, you blew up a lady and her baby, Mr. I'm So Smart.

"Kerry commanded his first swift boat, No. 44, from December 1968 through January 1969.
While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity racking up a number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese soldiers.
"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that happening."

#37 Geepers - Aha! He did raise his anus!

(Not included in this total are two votes he missed in February due to prostate surgery.)

So this is for real??? At first I thought it was a PhotoShop job. Unbelievable.

What's with the farcial, er, facial expression on the guy in the middle? Is "Che Guevarra" (kneeling) pulling his heart out of his chest?

Is Kerry in this picture?

andrew, damnitall again! You're right, John Kerry is Mr. Clean buddy boy above Jane's head. I always figured he was that unrecognizable hippie dude right behind her, and that his noggin somehow grew much longer with age. Now I can clearly see Lurch's prominent cranium standing tall in the background.

Who wants to bet that the book starts to "disappear" from libraries near you?

#45 bbcrackmonkey

Civilian deaths in war are nothing to gloat over. John Kerry may be a lot of things, but "war criminal" is not one of them.

Kerry's noggin

Now where have I seen a noggin like that before?

Ah, I got it. The Assad family.

Hmmm...

You know what? I'm not gonna sit here and judge Kerry on why he accidentally killed those innocent civilians in combat. Shit happens in combat, and a lot of times you have to give an order that proves to be fatal to people but one that had to be made within a second.

I'm only going to bring it up and parrot it around if the John Kerry camp wants to yammer about how Bush is the reckless, careless, warmongerer who shoots first and asks questions later, because it stinks to high heaven of hypocrisy when Kerry killed innocent civilians and had these little intelligence failures in person.

I haven't captioned in a while.

1. And the government has a problem with gays in the military?

2. ... and we also hate baseball, mom, AND apple pie!

3. Do these stars make my ass look fat?

4. (The singing hippie) "There is only one river... there is only one sea..."

5. Che Guevara delivers a vicious "titty-twister" to a young Craig T. Nelson

#50, Thom. No? He claims that everybody else was one. What makes him so special? (irony)

#52 bbcrackmonkey

Civilian deaths in war are inevitable and Kerry was an instrument of the state that sent him to war.

That duck won't float.

His post-war record is what counts.

I keep reminding myself that the media isn't biased any longer, they are outright enemies of America.

Remember how Dean was going to sweep everyone, what, a week and a half ago? And now Kerry is the greatest thing since Kennedy?

It's the media stupid.

And it's going to appear badly for Bush right up until the votes are taken. Then people will focus on what Bush is going to do 'now', versus what Kerry wants to do.

And Americans will vote for Bush. Bush is Bush, but he takes the presidency as a solemn responsibility not as a personal achievement. People can see this and verify it by his actions.

Kerry's a douche bag amoung a party of douche bags. They've sprung a serious leak that they will not recover from.

Democrats hate America, and the casual way they would defend her is proof of this.

Everybody gets this, except them.

#53 V the K

I liked #3 LOL!

#54 gymnast

Yes, the man is a disgusting hypocrite.

That's fer sure, that's fer dang sure ...

/Abner

Thom, gotcha there. I posted that before I even saw your post.

Like I said, its not about the innocent deaths, because when you're put in a position where you are responsible for the safety of others, you have to make that decision and people could die if you accidentally made the wrong one. Its the hypocrisy of it all, the fact that Bush was in charge of our nation and gave the order to invade Iraq (which was justifiable even w/out WMD) because Saddam wanted to tiptoe through the tulips with the weapons inspectors. Maybe that old man that John Kerry blasted away looked like he was holding a weapon. When you're in the spotlight, and you have to make a judgement and people's lives are riding on you swiftly carrying out that judgement, sometimes you screw up.

#13

You miss the point, this stuff is explosive. THe view of die hard democrats, which invariably includes those against he war in Iraq, and diehard Republicans don't matter. The swing voters are key, and this stuff can help the Republicans a lot with swing voters. Obviously, #13 you have never been a swing voter and truly undecided. I was and know what it feels like, and even small points raised by the other side can whipsaw you between candidates. I assume most swing voters support Bush in Iraq and on terrorism, but are uneasy on his social conservatism, i.e., abortion, enviromentalism, etc. THis stuff can score big points with such moderates by making Kerry look very undesirable, and help them forget their concerns about Bush.

I liked #3 LOL!

1 out of 5 ain't bad... it's still better than John Edwards.

Heard an interesting factoid on right-wing hate radio yesterday. Seems Oliver North is also a VietNam war hero... with two purple hearts (refused a third because it would have meant being rotated out). Any chance the left will be according Colonel North his due respect?

#45 bbcrackmonkey et al.

So now everyone's going after Kerry because he killed civilians in combat? The same people who condemn him for this are presumably some of the same people who think the Vietnam War was lost because we lost our will and didn't fight hard enough. They're also some of the same people who routinely call for mass slaughter of Muslims. What do people think happens in war? Civilians get killed!

John Kerry's transformation from decorated vet to antiwar activist was a courageous act. It showed conviction and principle which can be acknowledged even if you don't agree with him.

Focus instead on why that conviction and principle seems to have been abandoned. The better reason to oppose Kerry is that as a Senator he's been nothing but a spineless weasel. His pandering to the antiwar base of the Democrats leads him to say idiotic things like he wants to make up with the mad mullahs of Tehran.

"...consorted with Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark..."

This would be the same Ramsey Clark of International A.N.S.W.E.R would it? The communist left wing front organization which organized the anti-war rallies in the lead-up to the war with Saddam Hussein? The same A.N.S.W.E.R. that invited Sheiks in Keffiyehs to lead the crowd in the Mall in Washington D.C. to shout "Allah Akbar" and "Death to Bush" and "Death to America"?

That Ramsey Clark?

John Kerry was a co-protestor of the Vietnam War and stood on podiums with THAT Ramsey Clark?

#55 Thom - I agree. Talking about civilian deaths in Vietnam reminds me of the phrase used by ant-war types : "BabyKillers!" I'm more concerned with how he protested the war, and how he voted in the Senate. It's good there is physical evidence of his activities on both counts, especially photos.

(Background: I voted for BJ Klintone - and at the time didn't believe the talk of his actions in Europe during the war...)

And hey, maybe that woman that John Kerry iced in Nam was waving her baby menacingly about, as if about to use it as a bludgeoning device against the troops on the boat. Maybe the baby looked like a machine-gun because of some odd-shaped limbs it had (agent orange and depleted uranium and Nutrasweet could have given it birth defects).

You know what? Screw this. My family's chock full of war veterans with honorable discharges. I'm going to discuss this idea of having to prove they were never AWOL with no evidence presented against them, with them and a couple of veteran's groups. If not in the next couple of days, then this weekend. It's pure BS.

More photos from the book here. Kerry's in the bottom picture, off to the right. This looks like an anti-war site. Kinda funny that you still have anti-Vietnam War sites 30-some years after the end of the war.

If nothing else, the pictures remind you that the '70s were a very grubby time.

BPP, like I said, I know that civilians get killed, and the only reason I'm using it is because it is hypocrisy at its finest that John Kerry killed innocent civilians in a war because he was forced to make rash judgements based on limited intelligence yet hoots at Bush for doing the same thing in Iraq.

Angie Schultz, yeah what the hell? Why do people from the 60s and 70s think long, grubby hair and unshaven faces looked attractive?

Model4 (#32),

then yes, he [Harold Ford Jr] and Democrats would be accusing Bush of the crime of AWOL.

These people are idiots. AWOL only applies to active service members not reporting for duty for more than 30 days.

Elizabeth (#63)---Look at the link I posted in #67. The bottom picture with Kerry at the right has Ramsey Clark (allegedly---his back is turned) at the microphone. So, yes, Kerry stood on at least one podium with Ramsey Clark.

#53 Viking the Kitten: Here's another caption:

"Returning servicemen show their outrage after John Kerry voted to send them to war in Iraq, then voted to deny them the funding needed to win the war."

I agree that the pictures could swing a certain sort of voter. I also agree that what he's done since then is much more important -- like his "Winter Soldier" testimony about American brutality. Wasn't that proven to be false evidence also? The guy is a POS and dangerous to boot since he hasn't any scruples (it's hard to have scruples when there aren't any basic principles beyond 'what's best for me').

#61 V the K

Heard an interesting factoid on right-wing hate radio yesterday. Seems Oliver North is also a VietNam war hero... with two purple hearts (refused a third because it would have meant being rotated out). Any chance the left will be according Colonel North his due respect?

Feh. North is a fall guy who took one for the team. He should take his Presidential pardon, thank his lucky stars, and shut the hell up and stay out of the public sphere. National hero my foot.

Whatever. He may be an okay guy and all, but he took part in a scam to raise and spend federal money without Congressional approval. That equals a big no-no in my book.

John Kerry is simply the sum and substance of his experiences and choices, and when subjected to a slump test the sum and substance oozes and smells and is not the acceptable grade of concrete that this nation needs to build with if it is going to have much of a future. Electing an anti war president when you are at war is an exercise in illogic that extends infinitly beyond the norms rationality.

Baldy (#46),

Aha! He did raise his anus!

Caught that did ya? ;-)

#53 V the K: adding to your list--

6. The guy in the (?) wheelchair is demanding, "did you kill any babies, man?! 'Cause I killed babies!".

rabidfox, even if his stories of all the atrocities he witnessed in Vietnam are true, why the hell didn't he report them when he was still in the service, and obligated by law to do so? Why did he wait until he got out and got swept up in the anti-war movement? We can only assume 3 possibilities:

1) The stories he told of atrocities are lies.

2) He wasn't sorry about what happened in the least, and saved it for a politically convenient time to parrot it out.

3) He participated in them, which is why he didn't report them, then conveniently left that fact out when he talked about them.

I'm going to go for an LGF two-fer and caption Kerry's jacket photo using quotes from "Airplane."

1. Kerry: Hey, you know what they say... See a broad, to get that booty yak 'em.
Kerry and Tom Hayden: Leg 'er down 'n smack 'em yak 'em
Kerry: Cold got to be. You know? Shiiit.

2. Kerry: There's trouble the anti-war protest now!
Che: The anti-war protest? What is it?
Kerry: It's where stoned out, filthy hippies go to get laid by dumb society chicks with trust funds... but that's not important right now.

3. (Right-most hippie) No wonder you're upset. He's lovely. And a darling figure... tight, rock-hard ass ... broad shoulders. It's a shame you two don't get along.

also available through Alibris for $849.95
[Link: www.alibris.com...]

The Weekly Standard appears to have the lowdown on this book.

#79 V the K:

4. Looks like we picked the wrong week to give up bathing.

5. Don't start with that "stop the war" shit again! It's about the abortion, isn't it?

6. Sure, we were right to fight Hitler back in '41, but this is a completely different war... altogether! ["This is a completely different war."]

Three purple hearts for Kerry meant two days off duty recovering and a quick trip home for a soft job as an Admiral's aide de camp.

Sounds more opportunistic than anything else...

Joe

7. So, Timmy. You ever been in a Hanoi prison?

8. Have you ever seen a grown hippy naked?

Occasional Reader: Swee-ee-t

What a fucking shock!

This guy is a joke and the sad thing is he the ONLY hope the Dems have against Bush. What happened the Dems? Dems like JFK or Truman? What happened to that party...it's like special interests and being PC took it over in the eighties and nineties...sad so fucking sad

Andrew B.

68 bbcrackmonkey

the only reason I'm using it is because it is hypocrisy at its finest that John Kerry killed innocent civilians in a war because he was forced to make rash judgements based on limited intelligence yet hoots at Bush for doing the same thing in Iraq

This is a superficial parallel at best. It's one thing to take out a village in which innocents get killed because you have intel that says there are VC units in the area. It's quite another thing to dismiss the doubts that existed within the intelligence community and present a case to the American people (and the world) to sell the war that made no mention of those doubts. There's no evidence that Kerry went looking for villages to blow up. As a mere lieutenant, it probably wasn't up to him anyway. There's every reason to suspect that Bush had settled on removing Saddam and that they cherry-picked the intel that would help them make the case.

I think the current attempt to have the CIA take the fall for this is absolutely disgraceful.

And I say this is someone who supported the war (for other reasons besides WMD) and who can't stand John Kerry.

The most interesting thing to me about this book cover is that it is "John Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War." Detect any narcissism in that?

OT - French authorities have launched a preliminary probe into money laundering regarding the alledged transfer of $11.4M USD to accounts held by Arafat's wife.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Could the French be starting to see the obvious?

#87 Roger L. Simon

For me, lefty values and narcissism pretty much describe the center of gravity of Kerry's generation.

#86 BPP:

As a mere lieutenant, it probably wasn't up to him anyway.

As a Naval Lieutenant in command of a patrol boat, he would have had considerable autonomy; especially in comparison to Army or Marine lieutenants which are lower pay grades.

#87 Roger L. Simon: Damn. I just couldn't put my finger on it.

OT: OR! No fair you and reaganite tag teaming it-man like that when I'm stuck in a lecture on modeling finite state automata! I missed all the fun, and the invites from reaganite. I may have to reclaim Right Wing Conspirator's door prize if you don't let me tag along!

BPP

More arrogance from you, eh?

There's every reason to suspect that Bush had settled on removing Saddam and that they cherry-picked the intel that would help them make the case.

No, there isn't every reason unless you want to run your agenda and DU conspiracy theories.

David Kay, in multiple interviews, indicated that there is no evidence whatsoever that anyone in the Administration cherry picked intelligence to make the case.

Furthermore - this evidence of WMD accepted and proclaimed by members of the Clinton Administration since 1998. Existence of WMD was also accepted as fact by British, French, German, and Russian intelligence services, and were used as the basis for the UN resolutions. In the run after 1441, everyone said that the weapons were there - that the inspectors needed unlimited amounts of more time in order to find and disarm the weapons.

1441 also required Saddam to fully reveal and eliminate all programs that could be used to re-establish production and or delivery of WMD. Let us remember that Saddam did not do either of these. Kay's report also provides the facts that programs were not stopped, and multiple areas of dual use production were discovered post war.

Kay also indicated that the reports of WMD transfer to Syria have yet to be vetted - and that there are multiple sources for the info of this.

Finally, lets consider an analogy to the search for WMD. The State of California is roughly the same size as Iraq. How long would it take YOU with 350-500 other people to find, say, 10 suitcases filled with talcolm powder (simulating anthrax) that I would hide somewhere within the state border - but refuse to tell you? That is the extent of the anthrax that Iraq is believed to have. Or how about we hide a 20 ft shipping container somewhere in CA - which could store the VX gas that was thought by all major intelligence services to still exist?

We are talking about a state where dozens of acres are used to grow pot - and the State Police / DEA can't track down and stop.

Give me a break with your "facts".

By joe, I believe I've found it! The new DNC/Kerry campaign theme song: Country Joe's "Fixin' to Die" classic and revised for Iraq.

[Link: www.countryjoe.com...]

EW1(SG)

I'm stuck in a lecture on modeling finite state automata!

Thanks for the memories - NOT!

You owe me the cost of a bandage, from my head hitting my desk due to a sudden attack of narcolepsy triggered by said memories.

The most g-dawful boring class I have ever taken, given by the most g-dawful boring instructor I have ever had.

I am still waiting for the left to reconcile these statements:

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I b elieve that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Very detailed...anybody care to provide a link describing Kerry's 'massacre' in Viet Nam?

#92 hellcat

Perfect. Will the

Kerry in pictures:
[Link: www.usvetdsp.com...]

#93 Frank IBC: Sorry. However, it could be worse-in a Navy technical school years ago on magnetic amplifiers, I had an instructor who spoke in such an incredible monotone that when the guy sitting next to me (a former LSU fullback) went to sleep he fell with such force that he knocked me and the chair I was sitting on about 4 ft.

95 Kon

Thom posted this from the Boston Globe yesterday.

Frank IBC is an engineer? Now, I'm having flashbacks.

#90 EW1(SG):

when I'm stuck in a lecture on modeling finite state automata

[assumes furrowed-brow Neanderthal look] Modeling... um... does this have anything to do with Adriana Lima?

I may have to reclaim Right Wing Conspirator's door prize if you don't let me tag along!

You'll have to arm-wrestle RWC for it or something. That was indeed quite a collection of hardware reaganite listed; kind of puts my infrequent visits to the pistol range to shame!

Speaking of which, over lunch I saw a Bush/Cheney sticker and an NRA sticker... on a Volvo station wagon. Go figure.

You guys missed the previous sales of this book on eBay. Holy Cow! The first one I saw (when news of this book kicked up again several weeks ago) was a near-mint hardback 1st edition; went for $355. Another one was a 1st edition, signed; started at $1000 and sold for more. A lousy paperback version went for about $175. I'm trying to get my hands on one, but because of the current noteriety, people know they can get the big bucks for 'em.

The worst part of the photo on the cover is that the stinky hippies are parotting the Marine Corps War Memorial in Arlington. That place is hallowed ground to all Marines past and present. For this, anyone who has ever worn the Eagle Globe and Anchor hold this man in utter disdain and contempt. They are trying to create their own version of the flag raisng on Iwo Jima, with the Stars and Stripes upside down. Shame and curses be upon them.

1st edition; went for $355. Another one was a 1st edition, signed; started at $1000 and sold for more. A lousy paperback version went for about $175.

Uh-Oh... does Theresa know her kept man is using the ketchup money to buy up all the loose copies?

(That's a weird sentence... even for me.)

"Civilian deaths in war are nothing to gloat over."

Except when the person responsible for them is gloating over other peoples' civilian casualties, pointing fingers and accusing others of being war criminals.

#49 Unmutual -

I checked my local library (Fairfax County VA, Democrat heaven), and what do you know? No copies at all of "The New Soldier," but 6 copies of "The New WAR" hee hee...subtitled "The Web of Crime that Threatens America's Security." Oh and get this, there are a whopping TWENTY copies of his 2003 book "A Call to Service" (yes that is what it is called). All but 3 are checked out.

TWENTY copies.

#105 Tatterdemalian

Umm, yeah ... Like I said, civilian deaths are nothing to gloat over.

It sure is good to see that we are all getting
fired up to oppose the man who will soon be
appointed democrat nominee by the press.

What we have to do is keep this at a level
we can maintain until November 2nd.

No flaming out.

Instead ... a measured, steady response to
all the cr*p that the media is going to be
pumping out for the next 9 months.

I know it will not have any effect on those
who hate both President Bush and our country.

But we must persuade the 'moderates' to
vote where their - and ours - true best interests
reside.

#106 daltec: You're not the only one. From the Weekly Standard story:

Hoping to learn why this vintage paperback photo book might be worth so much, I turned to the Library of Congress. The LOC catalogue lists two copies. It also lists a copy of Kerry's much-less-rare 1997 book, "The New War," [...]

Alas, the library could only produce Kerry's 1997 book. Returning my original call slip, the librarian said simply that no copy of the book could be located. Possibly, both copies were in the process of being reshelved, which can apparently take days. It could be missing, he shrugged, for "any number of reasons."

What happened to the missing books? Our best intelligence estimates stated that they would be in the LOC, and they weren't. Kerry LIED!

Now on eBay "This SIGNED 1ST EDITION of THE NEW SOLDIER by now Senator & Presidential hopeful JOHN KERRY is in good condition. "

Wonder when the Dems are going to realize that Kerry is damaged goods, before or after the nomination? I'm seeing more and more signs that Hillary will be on the ticket, all protestations aside. If Bush is still below 50% in July, she'll be at the top of the ticket after delivering a hard body check to Kerry and the remnants of the Kennedy wing of the party. Can't wait to see all the drama, stage managing, and spinning that will be going on.

#109 Occasional Reader -

ROFL !!!

Ehh, whaddya know, one can only hope that it will all come out in the general election season.

But to be honest, I just can't help but feel a strange sense of foreboding... :-(

I did a little research on this a couple weeks ago

It hasn't been suppressed, pulled of the market, or anything like that. It just was't very popular, and thus dissapeared from the marketplace. As sidmystic said above, the best place to find it is eBay.

And really, at this point, it's probably about as relevant as one of Georg Bush's old beer mugs...

#96 papijoe

LOL!

7. So, Timmy. You ever been in a Hanoi prison?
8. Have you ever seen a grown hippy naked?

9. [Open-mouthed hippie] "Oh... my stomach... I haven't felt this awful since we saw that Ronald Reagan picture!"

10. "Lt. Hurwitz. Severe shell-shock. Think's he's Che Guevara."

</Airplane!>

Is it just me, or is that Gore Vidal on the right side of the photo, apparently polishing his buddy's sausage?

Che Guevara twists Rock Hudson's nipple ring while Gore Vidal performs a hand-job on one of the Doobie Brothers.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't regret being born too late for the seventies.

#101 OR:

Modeling... um... does this have anything to do with Adriana Lima?

For some reason, I find Giada De Laurentiis more attractive. But maybe its just a food thing.

Speaking of which, over lunch I saw a Bush/Cheney sticker and an NRA sticker... on a Volvo station wagon. Go figure.

I giggle, you hallucinate.

Hay, that sounds awesome!
But, did anyone actually check that the John K is the same that'll run against GWB?

TO ALL: some, I hope pertinent, observations:
1. As with GWB's National Guard Service, all this crap about Kerry IN VietNaM and immediately post Vietnam has been "in the public domain" (especially where Kerry is concerned) for a long, LONG time.
2. A lot of Vietnam combat Vets, including myself, were
"anti-war" when we came back for perfectly good reasons; Kerry went WAY over the top with his protest - but ya know, if you want the American people to at least LISTEN sometimes you fly the American Flag upside down and "imitate" images such as the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima - and it works (for the record, I believe that burning the American Flag is a constitutionally protected exercise of freedom of speech - just don't do it in front of me, or you will, seriously, go to the morgue or, if I'm having an off day, the emergency room)
3. The Dems WANT us to focus on Kerry, anti war protestor, because it takes time and attention away from the FAR more relevant issue: who is Kerry today and what does his record in the Senate reveal. Kerry would today, in violation of the US Constitution, give a veto power to the UN, France and who the fuck knows who else, over what the President AND the US Congress feels is essential to US security. Simply ask the LLL's (maybe pointless, but you can never tell) and those "moderate" members of the press the following question: If the President of the United States of America, and the Congress of the United States of America, determines that a "pre-emptive" strike against another nation IS NECESSARY to preserve the United States and the lives of it's citizens, do you think it's acceptable that the United Nations, or France, or whomever, should be able to veto that action? If the answer is no, then ask them: how the hell can you vote for or support Kerry's candidacy. If the answer is yes, ask them: how long have you resided outside of the United States?
DON'T BE SEDUCED BY THE BULLSHIT OVER KERRY/VIETNAM AND HIS PROTEST OF SAME. FOCUS ON THE ONLY REAL ISSUE: IS KERRY FIT TO BE PRESIDENT.

IS KERRY FIT TO BE PRESIDENT.

NO.

Throbert McGee,

"Is it just me, or is that Gore Vidal... "

I don't know. I'll take a wild guess. It's you.

Kerry Book
on Ebay is up to $270.00 and there is still 5 days left to bid.

BWAHAHAHAHAH!!

(wish I had one to sell)

realwest, #119

I'm another Viet Nam vetern and I agree that too much can be made of Kerry's anti-war activities with VVAW.
But...his statement before Congress in 1971 still grates on me. He said that American soldiers (you and me and 2.5 million others)

personlly raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Gehghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and genrally ravaged the countryside of Vietnam."

That's enough to keep me from voting for him, but you are right, he's not qualified to be President.

A book dealer on Bibliodotcom wants $750 for the book! Ouch!

EW1 (SG)

Mag-amps? They could make a come back. Did you know the reactor control circuitry of early 1960's DLGN's (later reclassified as CGN's because a guided missile cruiser is more manly than a guided missile light destroyer). I learned to love mag-amps at the D1G prototype in beautiful Ballston Spa, NY

It works a lot like a transistor or even a vacuum tube, except instead of a base you have these windings that control the flux in a magnetic core (IIRC), thus affecting how much amplification takes place across what is essentially a transformer. BTW, mag-amps are far more resistant to the electro-magnetic pulse that would follow a nuclear air-burst.

Although they are orders of magnitude larger and heavier than a transistor (and of course even more orders worse than an IC circuit) they are very hardy pieces of equipment, and almost never fail.

Don't get me started on amplidynes, aka "The shorted circuit that can move mountains".

#124 dell

Has anyone actually read "The New Soldier"? From what I've heard it contains a transcript of Kerry's statement before Congress and an "Afterward" written by him. However, most of the book consists of (alleged) veterns statements on their "war crimes". Copies now sell for top prices and I wonder if a publishing house will re-issue the book.

I'd like to know the ages of everyone on this thread. I was in college from 1967 to 1971.

I didn't then, but now I respect those who fought in Viet Nam. I protested a war that lost 50,000 of our own. Many men did their duty to their country and then fought to end the war. Maybe you had to be there.

Can someone who doubts Bush's competency to manage fiscal policy, the economy, and the debt our children will face still be one of Charles' minion?

We'll hear if he stands by Israel and if he'll stay the course on Iraq and the goofball Islamists. Right now he's still a nobody. We have until Nov. to get the whole story on him. The Economy, the military, morality, character.

I hope LGF types like me are willing to learn then judge.

Errata

Mag-amps? They could make a come back. Did you know the reactor control circuitry of early 1960's DLGN's (later reclassified as CGN's because a guided missile cruiser is more manly than a guided missile light destroyer). I learned to love mag-amps at the D1G prototype in beautiful Ballston Spa, NY

Please insert "used mag-amps" at the end of the first sentence. The whole paragraph will make much more sense.

Note: Since the Paris treaty was signed when I was in fourth grade, I have no knowledge of the Viet Nam veteran experience, although I do have a cousin who became a heroin addict in 'Nam (since rehabed and very successful).
I have visited places like Pattaya, Thailand and Olongapo, RP that probably haven't changed much since Viet Nam. The bars on the main drag (I preferred the bars in the barrio where the San Miguel was about half the price), Magsaysay Street, had 1960's era names like "The Rolling Stones Bar" or "Sgt. Pepper Bar", and served alcoholic beverages with 60's names like "Bullfrog" ( a green beverage) and "Mojo" ( a red beverage). During that time, like a lot of guys in the service too young to go to Viet Na, I read a lot of books by the guys that did go. I have to say I have nothing but respect for them.

Olongapo, Subic City and Barrio Barreto are gone now, unless the crews that man the big FedEx Asian hub there are keeping them in business after the US pulled out. I was watching a PBS documentary on Mt. Pinatubo, and I recognized one of my favorite barrio bars, "Gilligan's Island, Home of the Barrio Runners" buried under several feet of volcanic ash.

#115 Throbert:

ROTFL!!!

#127 - Plato - OK - I'm 58 years old. I graduated from college in 1968, went into the Army (I know, I was an asshole - I enlisted) and served my full term as an enlisted man; an 11B20 - light weapons infantry. And yes I served in Vietnam and yes I saw combat (used to close my eyes but that made it difficult to get out of the way). I went to Cornell Law School after my service.
I haven't got a clue as to who the hell you're talking about. See my post at #119 for my views on Kerry. Kerry, Bush and I are "contemporaries" (generationally).
I don't support Bush on a number of matters. But I also think that the FIRST responsibility of the President of the United States is to protect the United States and it's citizens from ALL enemies, domestic and foreign.
Has Bush ever lied, or not told the whole truth? OF course he has, he's a fucking politician. Has Kerry done the same? Yes, BUT, he's a fucking politician with NO moral values or scruples whatsoever.
I'm not gonna "keep an open mind" - I know John Kerry and his ilk far better than I want or need to. Unless I've completely misinterpreted your post (in which case, I sincerely apologize) you need to focus NOT on keeping an "open mind" but on keeping your mind FOCUSED - who is going to better protect the U.S. and US against enemies?

The only thing missing is the Pink Tank.

V t K:

ROTFL at you too.

Re the Seventies - the music was great. Everthing else sucked utterly, especially the cars and the clothes.

Although I am kind of partial to a 1971 Ford Torino in metallic-red brown.

Damn - I've been looking at this photo on and off for a couple of hours now, and I swear I did not see the flagpole until just now. I could not even begin to guess what Che and the guy immediately to his right were doing.

91 Athos

David Kay, in multiple interviews, indicated that there is no evidence whatsoever that anyone in the Administration cherry picked intelligence to make the case.

True enough, but this runs counter to every other interview that I've read of intelligence professionals. Talk to any intel pro and they are absolutely appalled at the way intelligence was used in the runup to the war.

Furthermore - this evidence of WMD accepted and proclaimed by members of the Clinton Administration since 1998. Existence of WMD was also accepted as fact by British, French, German, and Russian intelligence services, and were used as the basis for the UN resolutions. In the run after 1441, everyone said that the weapons were there - that the inspectors needed unlimited amounts of more time in order to find and disarm the weapons.

This is all true. But all the hard intelligence about Iraqi WMD stopped in 1998. After that, the inspectors were kicked out. After 1998, the intel got a lot fuzzier. While it's true that everyone ASSUMED he had something, no one knew exactly what. That's why the bulk of Powell's UN speech was made up of bits and pieces of circumstantial evidence. There was no hard evidence to be had.

The point is not that Bush lied or that he's a fraud or any of the other standard DU rants. The point is that Bush sold the war to the public based on very flimsy evidence. Sure everyone THOUGHT Iraq had WMD. But no one knew for sure. Now we're faced with a situation where American credibility on WMD is suspect. Bush could have sold the war differently, including the emphasizing that the WMD were unaccounted for. Instead, he exaggerated the evidence and built his case on the idea that if the US did nothing, it was in grave danger. He has made it harder either for himself or his successor to confront real WMD militarily in the future.

I could not even begin to guess what Che and the guy immediately to his right were doing.

"Cover your heart, Indy!"

/ShortRound

#132 Frank IBC - what?? This comment from the guy who was talking (albeit on another thread) about sausages and dumplings fried in lard? BS - I know what your dirty little mind was thinking (your dirty little mind is one of the many things I like about you*) and it had EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SAUSAGES!!! LOL
* Woody Allen was once asked, " do you think sex is dirty?" Woody's response, after a moment or two of thought, was "it is if you're doing it right!"!!!

119 realwest

I couldn't agree more. Kerry is seriously pandering to the antiwar base, as all Democrats must, to one degree or another (except Lieberman, of blessed memory).

If it comes down to Bush v. Kerry, I've got a real dilemma on my hands. Can't stand either of them. Bush may be stronger on keeping the mad mullahs off balance, but there are real issues about the conduct of the war as well as the economy. On the other hand, nothing about Kerry impresses me. He's a typical weasel politician - Clinton without the entertainment value.

DPP (#133),

Talk to any intel pro and they are absolutely appalled at the way intelligence was used in the runup to the war.

You mean intel pros like Andrew Gilligan? Or someone else?

If they were all so "appalled" you should be able to "cherry pick" a couple of the more candid interviews for us, eh?

Plato, #127

I'm 58 years old and served in the Army 1968-1970 (drafted after graduating from college), Spent 1969 in Viet Nam with the Americal Division. I was in military intelligence (yes, I know the joke) and my combat experience consisted of be mortared and rocketed fairly regularly.

I have problems with Bush on a number of issues (immigration, spending, etc.) but I have even more problems with Kerry. I have no use for him as I think he's ambitious, amoral and will neglect the defense of this country. The only thing he really cares for is self-aggrandizement...wealth, power and its perks.

Kerry book
Over $500 on ebay
Dang! Now I really wish I had a couple of them to sell. These people bidding obviously dont know the secret of Ebay..you NEVER bid on a thing until the last 3 minutes of the auction. Bidding on something when there is still 5 days left is just plain stupid. It only serves to drive up the price.

137 Geepers

Read the February issue of the Atlantic Monthly for an interview with Ken Pollack, a strong supporter of the war, on what likely happened with Iraqi intel.

Stop assuming that everyone who questions Bush's conduct of the war is a loony lefty DU Gilligan type. Some of us supported the war and still support it even though Bush does not inspire confidence as as war leader.

OT: sort of

I just read in the Financial Times today that Kerry took out a $1.6 million loan for the 96' Mass. senate race on the same house he just took a $6 million dollar loan to keep his campaign chest from running dry. Apparently he retired the debt from 96' after 3 years using campaign contributions to pay it off. This was legal in the 90's, but the law has been changed since.

Something else of interest was also mentioned in the aritcl-- he even had his financial records put under wraps after he negociated his first divorce.

"Hey, hey, jFk!!!
How many troops did you kill today?
De-fund the Air Force, de-fund the Navy,
The Army too, gut 'em all like crazy!!
The FBI and the NSA and the CIA
Jane Fonda Kerry will make them go away!
He pledge allegiance to the flag of the UN,
'Less they say so, we just ain't going!
Vote for Kerry, 'cuz he ain't Bush!
But you best learn how to raise your tush!!!"

Buckeye Abroad (#141),

A 6 million dollar loan? That must be one nice house.
Did it say what the terms were? A personal loan, or a front to his campaign?

#143 Geepers

Hi! Its a personal loan (3,25% variable) with an annual interest rate about $100k higher than his meager senator wages can afford. He gave vague information, but met the legal requirment regarding the amount, about how he is going to finance the repayment. As an individual can only contribute $2000 to a candidate, there is speculation that Kerry will intentionally default on the loan, his house goes up for auction...

...and then his wife buys it. Dirty, evasive, but apparently legal. As his finances have not been put up for public viewing, it is speculative, but I would put my money on the "default option" ;)

Buckeye Abroad (#144),

Hey! Well the last time I checked his wife was worth about 800 million, so I guess she can afford it.

Kerry Ignores Reports That He Is 'Aloof'

"Just because I was born into wealth, attended an Ivy League school, married two wealthy women and live in a multimillion dollar home in Boston's finest neighborhood, doesn't mean that I can't identify with the common man," said Mr. Kerry. "I can relate to the average Joe Sixpack. He loves to hear about my service in Vietnam and I enjoy talking about it. So we have something in common."

It hasn't been suppressed, pulled of the market, or anything like that. It just was't very popular, and thus dissapeared from the marketplace.

Well, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry has a different take:

"Kerry ran for election to the U.S. House in 1972 during which he found it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt youths crudely handling an upside down American flag to mock the famous photo of the U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima."

[Link: www.usvetdsp.com...]

Note: if anyone has visitied the above site -- Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry -- in the past, I notice they have recently added a lot of updates to the Kerry page.
 

Aside from Kerry receiving more special interest money than any other Senator in the last 15 years, Kerry is also the wealthiest US Senator -- by a long shot.
 

Check out this eBay auction. It's a signed copy of the book. Signed January 23 on CSPAN.

"Is that a crutch handle, or are you just happy to see me?"

Realwest -

Actually, regarding "Che" and the person to his immediate right, I didn't think it was anything "X-rated" - it looked more like he had reached into his chest, reached all the way up into the inside of his head, and was pulling his brain out from inside, causing the unusual expression on the other's face.

glad to see LGF are following Karl Rove's talking points ... I believe that this book you all are getting your panties in a twist about contains a transpcript of Kerry Senate's testimony and a brief foreward ... and that's about it ...

and as for the Vietnam Vets against Kerry I believe that it's run by the same guy who smeared McCain during 2000 and accused him of being a communist collaborator during Vietnam ...

the facts

#87 Roger L. Simon,
Gary Trudeau detected narcissism in Kerry way back when
Doonesbury on John F Kerry 1971

Kerry is a shallow, vain, false and lazy golddigger. He is not fit to be President.

I bought my copy directly from Kerry. It's the weirdest thing - the pages were all stuck together. Is it supposed to be that way?

#150 anon. Backing up your opinion by citing Joe Conason (the facts) sorta makes one wonder where you learned your research skills. Is this the night for south Asian self delusion? or what. However, My Man , the Rev., Al Sharpton is accepting resumes for field workers for the big push and you seem to be a bright guy with the words. How would you like to work in the real campaign? Al is a mover of mountains and will throw the dancin' lessons in for free.

So you don't refute the statements and facts about Kerry - you bring up whether ONE group that is talking about it may have opposed other people.

I'm sure the booklet WITH JOHN F. KERRY'S NAME PROMINENTLY ON THE COVER isn't just some conintelpro work. I think it's the real deal - and shows eloquently that Kerry trash-talked the military.

But hey, any guy that has the bravery to throw another guy's medals is surely the right choice for President.

#115 & #116

LMAO

I thought that Photo looked suspicious right away. Is this photographer gay? Anybody got a photo credit? Seems like a pretty funny guy, w/subliminal homoerotic content. Not that I have any problems with gays per-se but that seems like a logical supposition given gayness would be seen as inherently anti-military. Seems likely this was intentionally subliminal-gay.

Doonesbury on John F Kerry 1971

Heh,

#67 angie schultz & #69bbcrackmonkey:
excuse me, but the 60's and 70's brought you all the little goodies you now take for granted, you punk idiots, like computers, contraceptives and equal rights for black people. Quit showing your ignorance and someone might take you seriously.

#87 Roger - *shh, we wont mention your lefty beginnings* - but I do FOR ONCE agree with you that we have a flaming narcissist with a $500 million trophy wife. Doesnt he remind you of a scary Ed Muskie?

#121 Plato - most people reading this blog werent even thought of during the Vietnam was, didnt live through it, and have no bloody idea what it was like. I was in high school in the early days and kept a scrapbook of articles from the New York Times every day. My brother, brother in law, cousin and boyfriend were all in Nam at the same time. I sent audio tapes back and forth on my tiny Sony reel to reel, and had to talk via MARS radio phone, when we got the chance, which was whenever they could get a connection, sometimes in the middle of the night for us.

My biggest surpirse was getting flowers on my birthday, which came shipped from Hawaii to my college in Virginia because that was the closest Teleflora station. Must have cost a small fortune.

Fortunately, they all came back alive, although none without scars. The boyfiend was wounded just as he was about to be shipped home. My brother committed suicide 5 years ago with a gun he bought in Vietnam.

Never Forget

Everyone on the Man Train!

Woo Woo!

Photo of Kerry Next to Jane Fonda
(from A Collection of Thoughts)

Julia the Horrible - I am sorry to hear about your brother. The Vietnam Vets were treated cruelly. I was a child during the war, but I remember wearing a POW bracelet, along with my brothers and father.

As much as I too detest Bush, I feel this may only give his supporters more reason to back him, for he represents all they rabidly hate about Bush.

At least ONE thing is clear to me...I never wish to hear another Democrat suggest they have great respect for American Soldiers, for it is very apparent to me that they do not, nor ever have! ;-(

For anyone who didn't know, he is responsible for a raid on a supposed Vietcong village that ended up killing all the villagers but, if memory serves, not one VC. He was the one who gave the order to fire, too. There was a big special in TIME magazine about it.

As a Canadian, I am not as familiar with his history as some here might be but if the above IS true, that he not only killed the villagers but most importantly gave the order to fire, please direct me to an URL or some info that can prove this claim.

If proveable, that should be the one fact most harmful to him.

#11 bbcrackmonkey

Let's also not forget that he is the real murderer and baby-killer, and he is merely projecting this feeling of guilt onto the rest of the military. For anyone who didn't know, he is responsible for a raid on a supposed Vietcong village that ended up killing all the villagers but, if memory serves, not one VC. He was the one who gave the order to fire, too. There was a big special in TIME magazine about it.

Get your Kerreys right. That was BOB KERREY!

If the Dems think that Kerry's antiwar protests helped our soldiers, here's one that may not agree:

"Even the most famous POW of all, Sen. John McCain, later revealed that his North Vietnamese captors used reports about the Kerry-led protest to taunt him and his fellow prisoners."

"Kerry publicly supported Hanoi's position to use our POWs as a bargaining chip in negotiations for a peace agreement."

And this clip from John McCain's book, Faith of our Fathers:

"When I was a prisoner of war I resented the antiwar activists who had visited Hanoi and, wittingly or unwittingly, made our life in prison more miserable than it already was..." pg 280.


" The daily routine was simple and excruciatingly dull. The guards struck a gong at six in the morning, signaling the start of a new day. We rose, folded our gear, and listened from the loudspeakers in our cells to Hanoi Hannah, the "Voice of Vietnam," a half hour of witless propaganda, rebroadcast from the night before. For most POWs, Hanna was a pretty good source of entertainment.
" "American GIs, don't fight in this illegal and immoral war," Hannah pleaded, before reporting the latest victories of the heroic people's liberation forces. She brought us the news from home, which was, of course, limited to updates on antiwar activities and incidents of civil strife. She often played recordings of speeches BY PROMINENT OPPONENTS OF THE WAR." pg 217.

"DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM???"

My point is, wasn't Geo. W a nobody before 911 gave him a chance to demonstrate courage and will?

Like him or hate him, Clinton was a nobody before his 8 years of fame (or infamy...your choice).

Am I alone here? Am I the only one who doesn't know everything about Kerry? American soldiers are dying in an attempt to give others the option of a choice.

I'm sitting on the fence hoping to learn.

#13 Keith McComb

The problem I'm seeing is things like the NY Post editorial, talking about his wealth, and how he's trying to look like "just plain folks". Umm, I hate to tell them this, but the same charges could be laid at Bush's feet, if phrased right. Bush also comes from a wealthy family, and enjoys the fruits of that wealth, and comes across as just plain folks. (Please don't read this as a condemantion[sic] of Bush - it was NOT meant to be such. I was simply pointing out what can honestly be said without either side having to lie.)

With just one tiny difference, Keith. John Kerry is, and has been, a kept man for a good part of his post-Vietnam life. Despite his name, his was not a wealthy family; they simply knew the right people. His first wife, Julia Thorne, came from a wealthy family. After ending that marriage, he kicked around for a while, then married Theresa Heinz, the widow of Senator John Heinz (R-PA). She is even wealthier than his first wife.

President Bush is many things, but he is not a kept man.

Isn't it deliciously ironic...This story of JFKerry's infidelity was leaked to the press by the... Clintons!

To none other than then the man who broke Monica's dress mess---Matt Drudge

Report: Intern scandal rocks Kerry campaign...

I wonder how Ter-aaay-za Heinz-Kerry is going to react to this.

Oh, how blantantly corrupt.

Think Shrillary might be angling for the Democratic nomination since they are eliminating all viable candidates, one by one?

#160:
Photo of Kerry Next to Jane Fonda
(from A Collection of Thoughts)

The linked photo is actually a Photoshopped montage of two different pictures -- one of the future Mr. Ketchup looking contemplative and another of Hanoi Jane rallying the hippies.

#170 Throbert McGee - Thank you. I was fooled.

Throbert -

Look again at the "Mr. Ketchup" pic. It's kind of funny how the "o" in the word that's "watermarked" on that pic seems to hang off of his prodigious chin.

In the Fonda thread, in the pick with Kerry and Ortega, is that Tom Harkin in the middle? {Sigh}

Well, Hanoi Jane is doing very well last I heard. Rich like Croesus she is... In America, being a traitor to the country, wishing its downfall and even encouraging the murder of its citizen is good profitable business: Hanoi Jane, Farrhakan, Jesse "Shakedown Artist" Jackson & son, Kerry and on and on...

#173 Hanoi Jane is doing well...

'Tis true, regrettably.

Just think - were it not for Barbarella, Jane Fonda would not have contributed one damn noteworthy anything to humanity.

Hanoi Jane.

I wonder if Kerry will offer the same sort of apology?

[Link: www.1stcavmedic.com...]

I could not even begin to guess what Che and the guy immediately to his right were doing.

I believe the internet abbreviation is "CBT"

I am getting tired of hearing "decorated war hero".

Does killing a wounded Viet Cong and returning with his rocket launcher make you a hero?
Hardly.

Having served in Viet Nam with the Marines, I can tell you that such an action would have been considered trivial by most Marines.

A old friend of mine who served with the 7th Marines in 1970, ran after and tackled a NVA regular.
Guess what he recieved for capturing that NVA?
A case of beer, and a day off to drink it.

Case closed.

Leo's post #7: "Where's the napalm when you need it? Just because someone has the 'right' to do something doesn't mean that what they do is 'right'."

Amen to that.

It appears that the man crouched down on the left of the cover is grabbing another man's, um, zipper. Am I seeing things?