Why does Israel let a nazi sympathiser into the country in the first place?

I started listening to it but I can't, not today. Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

Pork Eating Whisky Drinker, good question.

Here's a thought...

What if the pro-islamoterrorist liberals truly are not motivated by anti-Semitism?

Is it possible that they are fooled by *radical chic* then?

Are they persuaded by the mere *passion* of these Muslim bastards, and never mind the insanity of their "cause" then?

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If the answer is yes, then this must mean that terrorism - as a tactic - would work for us too.

Perhaps we should blow up a bus in The Hague.

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I would hate to see a healthy young Jew blow himself up though.

I would only support this if it were euthenasis-bombers: Jews who are at the outsets of the final stages of terminal illnesses, who chose to go out heroically.

Listen to it. The transcript of this should be widely distributed to all who have to confront the nazi left that sometimes pretends not to be hitlerites. She is so throughly outthought that you will be cheering the Israeli at the end for his utter destruction of this genocide supporter.

I'm listening to it right now. Excellant.
Zulubaby - go back and listen and send it to all your friends.

Sangan wrote this about Jenin.

SEVEN LIES ABOUT JENIN

Let's not forget where to send your love to this Nazi um, cow:

tonge@cix.co.uk

Pile on everybody, I did!

Mad cow...

Is there a written transcript available?

Typo-correction for #3...

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... euthenasia-bombers: Jews who are at the outsets of the final stages of terminal illnesses, who choose to go out heroically.

LET THESE BRITISH MP'S SEE THE EFFECT'S OF SUICIDE BOMBERS ON BUSES BEFORE SUPPORTING OR SPEAKING ABOUT TEWRROR.MP'S SEE TERROR ON THE STREETS BY TERRORISTS IN HOSPITALS BEDS FULL OF ISREALIS

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Anonymous Al

I do suspect some people, probably including Dr. Tongue, are more motivated by their love of the radical oppressed revolutionaries than they are by hatred of Jews.

Your conclusion is rather distasteful to say the least.

Anonymous Al (#3)

Your post makes me want to vomit. Literally.

I would only support this if it were euthenasis-bombers: Jews who are at the outsets of the final stages of terminal illnesses, who chose to go out heroically.

Heroically? I'm at a loss. Suicide bombers are not "heroic", I don't care what the circumstances are. Please G-d no Jew is ever reduced to such savagery.

I suspect Israelis as a whole are far too civilized for that. The subtle inverse racism that seems to accept savagery from a savage people would harshly condemn a civilized group that produced a Baruch Goldstein style terrorist, so it wouldn't do any good even if you accepted the premise,

I felt guilty for a few months in early 2002.

Then I grew up and got over it.

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We must win this war by any means necessary.

And further, methods which limit Jewish casualties while raising goyim casualties are now necessary, because we should go by per centages...

... if 1% of Jews are killed, then Jews are cleared to kill 1% of non-Jews.

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Remember, it is genocide as long as the per centage of Jews killed by Muslims is huge while the per centage of Muslims killed by Jews is tiny.

With the per centages equalized, there is no longer genocide as such.

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What the hell, I'll ask God to forgive me again next Day Of Atonement.

After the Nazis, God'd hands are tied in this regard:

He MUST forgive us for doing what we must.

The Soviets spread the word via useful idiots. Now we have to deal with useful Khuffars. If shes such an understanding bitch, Jenny Tongue should strap on a suicide belt - hopefully she'll only do damage to herself.

Slips...

Please,

It is not "suicide-bombing" -- it is euthenasia-bombing.

It is an object lesson for Nazis.

FIGHT TERROR WITH TERROR SEND BRITISH MP'S PACKING WITH ARAFAT KILL THE CANCER CELL'SFIGHT TERRORISTS WITH TERROR KILL ARAFAT

Following Anal Al's last post, with goyim references and the such, I suspect he is NOT Jewish (my Jewdar is weak, as I am only 1/8th chosen) and is probably an LLL style troll placing vile things on this site that can than be used as "proof" that LGF is a racist site.

Anonymous Al
You're a weird guy.
Your genocide math is new to me.

#18 Ed Moran:The Lowes Chevy has wrecked

Following Anal Al's last post, with goyim references and the such, I suspect he is NOT Jewish...

My thoughts exactly.

What a disgusting mindless, hateful bitch. All she wanted to do was lay blame on Israel. She doesn't have the humanity to emphasize with the woman she is interviewing, only to try to use her and her tragedy to further her leftist agenda.

She does not listen with her heart, only with her hate.

Everything she said spoke of her assumption that resolving the situation was entirely Israel's responsibility. Palestinians could simply sit back and wait for an acceptable solution to be handed to them, and in the meantime send as many bombers as they liked.

Her brothel mentality even allowed her to try to use this woman to justify her (Tonge's) pro-terrorist statements.

My skin crawled every time she spoke.

Tonge emerges from the debate as clueless as when it began.

I was going to say "Stupid is as stupid does" but darling Jenny suffers from willful ignorance. So instead, I'll go with: "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Blinded by hate is no way to go through life, ma'am.

I am a secular Jew.

I used to be a left-winger, and a non-Zionist.

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I was not and anti-Zionist, which is different -- I was a non-Zionist because I thought Israel had made it, and that anti-Semitism was a thing of the past.

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The rejection of Barak's generous Peace Offer, and the firing up of the suicide-bombers with Arafat's PA money, taught me otherwise.

I wouldn't mind if they waited until Dr. Tongue was in Arafat's Ramallah hellhole before dropping the heavy ordnance.

OT: My laugh of the day--Monica Lewinsky is livid about the accusation that Kerry had an affair with a young female intern. Memo to Monica: close you mouth.

[Link: www.ananova.com...]

FYI - #21 refers to the interview with Avigail Levy.

OT -- Report: U.S. Agency Finds Signs of Global Bomb Network

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. investigators working for a new government forensic unit have found indications of a global bomb-making network and concluded that bomb builders used the same designs for car bombs in the Mideast, Asia and Africa, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

"Linkages have been made in devices that have been used in different continents," the Times quoted one forensic expert involved in the new intelligence effort as saying. "We know that we have the same bomb maker, or different bomb makers are using the same instructions."

I am a secular Jew.

I've never heard a Jew describe themselves as secular unless it's an issue or a specific question. Anyway, whether you're a Jew or not does not matter, it's your ideas that are nauseating.

There are couple of reasons that could explain European hatred for Israel:

1. Anti-semitism

2. Revisionist Marxism (Baran-Wallerstein) concerning the 'rich' subjugating the 'poor'. Kind of a poor man's non-thinking Marxism where instead of having intra-national conflict, you have supra-national conflict which completely runs contrary to classical Marxist ideology.

3. The vein of 'thought' that runs that posits that the strength of conviction is tantamount to a moral position. That is, since the PLO citizens care so strongly to destroy Israel and blow the arms off little kids, they must have a damned good reason for it. Thusly, their conviction trumps argument of their actual cause. How many times have you read someone write, "If they are turning to suicide bombing, they must be hopeless and feel they have nowhere to turn..." Etc.

4. Israel has turned from the graces of socialism. While not nearly as capitalist as America, Israel has a freer market and less regulations than many EU nations. They're, gasp, more like America than they should be. Were Israel a dictatorship, totalitarian state, kleptocracy, or the like, Europe would ignore her. Note how Syrian, Lebanese, Libyan, Egyptian, Saudi, etc. subjugation of their citizens is rarely mentioned, if at all. "What do you expect from them?" sees to be the mindset.

She's a disgusting bitch, terror apologist and shows no hope of 'getting it'. I hope she rots in hell and never gets another public platform to dish out her verbal vomit again.

It's unfortunate that she was allowed into Israel at all.

listening to the transcript, I was struck by how civil and logical the doctor was to this pile of crap. He is a remarkable man.

They always out themsevles in the end don't they? Know matter how they try to add in some weak "acknowledgement" of the murder of Isralie innocents, it never sounds right and it only damns them MORE as terrorist sympathizers, not less.

Christ, I feel so helpless. This airheaded piece of scum gets global platform via the wonderful Biased Bullshit Corporation, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Did you read the "Webchat" in which her "solution" is to slap sanctions on Israel?

Okay, so all the Israelis who don't get blown up by her Paleo buddies on buses can starve to death! Quick thinking there, Jenny old girl. I'm sure it frosts your muffin that the Paleos are missing a few old ladies and babies, so let's deny them medicine and food. That'll teach 'em to actaully have the temerity to want to defend themselves from mass murder.

What a fucking insane woman, and what a fucking insane world that no one is calling this bitch out for the rabid, hate-drooling cur she actually is.

I hate to say it, but Jenny Tonge and the millions of other Euroclones who parrot her noxious swill make me almost want to sign on to bigel's Samson option. . .

#29 addison

To expand on your #1: It's more than anti-Semitism (or as I prefer to call it, Jew-hatred). It's the memory of what Jew-hatred led to, i.e., the Holocaust. Europe will never forgive the Jews for sticking around long enough to be killed in such a cold, brutal, systematic way. EU support for the Palestinians--the avowed enemy of the Jewish people--is an attempt to rewrite the script so that the Jews become the Nazis, the Palestinians become the Jews and the EUropeans become the purified high priests who preside over and decide everyone else's fate.

Tonge is an anti-semite. Her hatred blinds her to the fact that her own freedoms are threatened by these Islamoterrorists.

Dear Ms. Tonge:

I read your webwatch on the BBC and heard your comments about the Arab Israeli conflict. I find it very hard for a person of your intelligence can sympathize with terrorists, that you show no ability to discern the moral difference between Israelis protecting your children's lives as they go to supermarkerts or board buses or go to the local pizzeria and Palestinians who teach their young people to blow themselves up spewing forth pounds of shrapnel, which results in the decapitation, the maiming, the burning of children, women, and grandparents.

Now substitute Jews for Palestinians. Imagine Jewish children blowing themselves up and killling innocent Palestinians. What would you say?

Since you are a well-schooled person, there can only be
one reason why you are a supporter for the Palestinian terrorists and that you demand Israel to capitulate to murderers.

The waste of human lives begin with the Arab terrorists.
They are part of the continuum with the Nazis who slaughtered millions, including many of your own people.

Your collusion/collaboration with Arab terrorists is no different from those who fought with the Nazis.

I know letters like mine will not change your hate. Sadly, people like you are the problem.

One day the Arab homicidal terrorists will be blowing themselves up in the tube, in Heathrow, and on buses on M1. Praytell, what will you be saying?

What will you say when your daughter is blown apart while grocery shoppinp in your neighborhood?

What will you say?

#33,

Oh, definitely. Transference of guilt is definitely a possible reason.

"Sure, decades ago our grandfathers did bad things to them...but just look, they're the bad people of today."

I like to believe there is a particular section of hell specially reserved for people like this ignorant woman.
Somewhere in the Eighth Level (The Malebolge) would be apt, the Useful Idiots would be right at home alongside, the Councillors of Fraud, the Sowers of Discord, the Simonites, the Falsifiers and the Hypocrites.

Dom From England

OT - here's a happy diversion - from the people who invented the Internet (DARPA); check out Metabolic Dominance, Time Reversal Methods, and Nastic Structures.
[Link: www.darpa.mil...]

scaramouche #25 - "we're electing a President, not a priest"
Monica and people like her don't get it.

Roger L. Simon has an article on his blog that's an antitode to the venomous snake-Tonge:

[Link: www.maarivintl.com...]

"antidote"

Jenny Tongue, judging by the total package, is very innapropriately named. She obviously never got enough . . .

Listening to Jenny Tonge is truly a novocaine-like experience for the brain: relentlessly mind-numbing.

Apparently her tonic for all the problems is for the Israelis and Palestinians to really LISTEN to each other, sort of a dialog-based group hug. Then all the problems will just dry up and blow away.

As long as there is extreme external pressure on Palestinians not to build their society but to attempt to destroy another, there will never be peace in the NE. The arab nations of the ME don't have the courage to confront Israel directly, so the Palis serve as their surrogate army. Maybe the real solution is to dismantle the autocratic regimes of the surrounding societies that are goading this fight in order to divert unrest from the root causes within their own homelands.

Tonge says all we need is to just LISTEN, when in fact she is utterly deaf to understaonding the words of wisdom she hears. Certainly she is a modern poster-woman for the completely irrational attitudes of the LLL.

Along with today's mass murder came the obligatory condemnation by the Palestinians Authority. As always, they get to have their cake and eat it too--decrying such incidents to the world while funding and supporting them at the same time. In an unintentially hilarious statement, Ahmed Q. said the ICJ Haguesters will help the "peace process" get back on track.

Charles,

Where you say above: "or click here", it is an interview with an Avigail Levy, not Dr Sangan. An interesting interview nonetheless.

Avigail's daughter was Rachel Levy, killed in March 2002.

IIRC, she was the one who was twinned on Time magazine with the murderous bitch who blew herself up.

Compare Rachel Levy with another Rachel with whom we are too familiar.

Come to think of it, there can't be a comparison, it just doesn't compute.

What a cliched L-cube she is. She kept chanting the mantra: We've got to know where the Palestinians are coming from.

We know exactly where they're coming from, Jen, b/c they tell us every day: they want Israel gone and Israelis dead. What else do you need to know?

#46 Melissa

She kept chanting the mantra: We've got to know where the Palestinians are coming from.

Like most el cubists, she doesn't realize that the most crucial issue is not "where they're coming from" but where they intend to go--i.e. Tel Aviv and Haifa and Netanya and Be'er Sheva, and Eilat and...

Oh, there it is.

"I have Jewish friends."

Bitch.

"I have Jewish friends."

Adam Shapiro, etc...

Colt: I'll bet they are the same Jewish friends that Cherie Blair and Gretta Duisenberg have. They probably rotate 'em.

#43 Colt: Charles' link is correct. The realaudio link is currently the 2nd one on the page. The "or click here" brings you directly to the interview.

A great point brought up by the doctor in his argument against Ms. Tonge:

When did Jews ever retaliate post-WW2 against the Germans in a militaristic manner?

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Exactly.

It's a relatively clear example of the moral differences between the Israelis/Jews and Palestinians/Muslims. One looks to build a country for their later generations; the other looks to perpetuate their self-inflicted squalor while they point the finger of blame elsewhere.

Gross, gross human beings. It seriously pisses me off that I share even an ounce of similar biology with these jerk-offs.

Getting back to this slimes' motivations, IIRC someobody mentioned she is of the hippie generation (and IIRC a doctor at a "family planning clinic"). Maybe she was hanging with William J Clinton et al, and basically hates Israel because it is the closest thing to the United States in her hemisphere.

#51 Abu Al-Poopypants

Not when I posted.

Here's something interesting I didn't know (but it is not surprising in the least):

When NPR’s chief of international news, Loren Jenkins, compared Israel to the Nazis for their invasion of Lebanon in 1982, it served primarily to identify Jenkins as an enemy of Israel, and probably a Jew-hater, and made it easy to understand the problem at NPR, where Jenkins has kept his job, despite his profound bias, for many years. The news on Israel at NPR doesn’t just happen - it is created to fit a worldview. (link)

A tale of two fences
by Gal Luft
February 18, 2004

The I's and the P's have been at war for over half a century. Over the past several years the level of suspicion, hostility and paranoia between the two has been unprecedented. I has been the target of a terror campaign by Islamic terrorists who infiltrated its territory and conducted horrific attacks against both soldiers and innocent civilians. I accuses P of training and arming these militants and not lifting a finger to stop them. After a long series of failed attempts to reach a peace deal or even a temporary cease fire, the government of I decided it must erect a fence as a security barrier separating it from P. I's fence project infuriates the P's. Their uniformed leader called the government of I to immediately halt the construction. But despite strong international pressure I does not seem to bend and its white haired prime minister recently called to expedite the project and finish the fence by the end of 2004.

If you thought the above 160 words describe the controversial fence currently being erected in the West Bank between Israel and the Palestinians you are in good company. Look again. I is not Israel and P is not Palestine. The story above describes another fence, three time zones away from the Middle East in the disputed area of Kashmir between India and Pakistan. Indeed, since Pakistani militants tried to storm the Indian Parliament in December 2001, India has embarked on an ambitious project aimed to seal its border with its enemy. The fence is only part of a multi-tiered system that includes mines, sensors, trenches and, in some parts, a high mud wall.

Now, ask yourself why you associated the above story with the Middle East and not with South Asia. Why does the action of a nation of six million people loom larger in your consciousness than that of one billion people? After all, the India-Pakistan conflict is just as enduring and fierce. It threatens world peace no less than the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The Indian fence is at least twice as long as the Israeli...

For the rest of the article:

http://www.iags.org/n021804.htm

Montaigne's Cat !!!

that was an awesome articel. Thanks for posting it

#56 Montaigne's Cat

That was very informative. Let's add the India/Pakistan fence to the list of other barriers in the world separating one people from another. Since Israel will not be appearing in the Hague, who will make this point to the "judges"?

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA 1145 AM PST SUN FEB 22 2004

...FLASH FLOOD WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED UNTIL 5 PM TODAY FOR THE BURN AREAS OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY...

...FLASH FLOOD WARNING HAS BEEN EXTENDED UNTIL 5 PM TODAY FOR BURN AREAS OF SOUTHWEST SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY...

...FLOOD ADVISORY FOR URBAN AND SMALL STREAM FLOODING HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO 5 PM FOR THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY COASTAL AREAS...THE INLAND
EMPIRE AND ORANGE COUNTY...

...FLASH FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR THE BURN AREAS OF SAN BERNARDINO AND SAN DIEGO COUNTIES THROUGH 3 AM MONDAY...

THROUGH 5 PM...NUMEROUS SHOWERS...MOSTLY OF MODERATE INTENSITY... WITH ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WILL CONTINUE ACROSS THE BURN AREAS OF SAN BERNARDINO AND SAN DIEGO COUNTIES ALONG THE LOWER COASTAL SLOPES
OF THE MOUNTAINS. RAINFALL OF OVER ONE HALF INCH PER HOUR IS POSSIBLE AT TIMES.

MORNING RAINFALL HAS BEEN HEAVIEST ALONG THE LOWER COASTAL SLOPES FROM WEST OF CAJON PASS EASTWARD TO NEAR STATE ROUTE 18. ANY ADDITIONAL RAINFALL COULD CAUSE ADDITIONAL FLOODING AND MUD AND ROCK SLIDES.

RESIDENTS AND MOTORISTS IN AND BELOW RECENTLY BURNED AREAS SHOULD BE ALERT TO HEAVY MUD AND DEBRIS FLOWS WHICH MAY BLOCK ROADS ANDCULVERTS. POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS FLOODING AND PROPERTY LOSS COULD RESULT IN AREAS WHERE RUNOFF IS RESTRICTED OR BLOCKED.

IN ADDITION...A BAND OF HEAVY SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS HAS DEVELOPED IN THE COASTAL AND VALLEY AREAS. THE SHOWERS WILL RESULTIN LOCAL PONDING IN URBAN AREAS AND FLOODING OF SMALL STREAMS UNTIL ABOUT 5 PM.

Isolated strong storms in the Inland Empire could cause flash flooding, small hail, maybe even a funnel cloud or two. Beware dangerous cloud to ground lightning.

And not only that, but Thailand is building a fence between its Muslim dominated Southern provinces and Malaysia to keep splodeydopes from fleeing to Malaysia after their killing sprees against Thai Buddhist monks and schoolchildren.

[Link: www.etaiwannews.com...]

Funny how all three of these situations involve the Religion of Peace (TM) doesn't it?

And on the other side? Three different and distinct religions/cultures?

One half of the equation is variable and the other one isn't. Funny that, isn't it? Must be a total coincidence.

Attention: West Texas Jew! Elevated thunderstorms out on the high plains could drop some large hail!

Although warm front still offshore Texas, elevated storms approaching coast (CRP WSR-88D Nexrad Doppler Loop)

Bad Beach day in GLS (although with 15C beach water temps, it is a bad month. Wait until the 32C water temps of August)

Actually, the water at Galveston is a tolerable 25C by late May, and the northern Gulf reaches the magic 26.5C required for tropical cyclone genesis early to mid June, and reaches the 28.5C required for major (Saffir-Simpson Category 3 (115 mph or greater (~190 kph)) tropical cyclones in mid-late July, although Category 4 Hurricane Audrey hit along the Texas-Louisiana state line (killing over 600 people in Cameron and Vermillion parishes) on June 24, 1957 (IIRC).

To those who read or commented on the article I linked in #56, I should say I found it at a very good blog from Germany which is just getting better and better, called Editor's Office.
http://www.editorsoffice.de/blogger.html

The man in the interview is wonderful, clear eyed, and sees the truth.

That female ignoramus who is so stupid and so filled with antijew hatred that she doesn't bear naming, is unfit to breath the same air as him.

#37-

Another 50 years, tops, and the US military is gonna have Captain America with an assault rifle.

scamarouche
Iron Fist
and all LGFers re: use of word "antisemitism"

I'm quoting Joseph Telushkin here:

Few people know that the word "antisemitism" was created by an antisemite, Wilhelm Marr. Marr's intention was to replace the German word Judenhass (Jew-hatred) with a term that would make Jew-haters sound less vulgar and even somewhat scientific.

In a strong sense, the use of the word "antisemitism" is a victory for Jew-haters everywhere.

While I would certainly never reproach LGFers for using the term, please be aware there are better alternatives. Jew-hatred works fine. I happen to think Judenhass is even better.

What a suprise it's a German word.

In Israel, the armed forces have F16 fighter planes, helicopter gun-ships, tanks, even nuclear weapons. This was pointed out to me by a civil society group in Bethlehem, when I asked why they used suicide bombers. “Tell the USA to give us the arms that Israel has and we will stop using them,” was the response.

I love this quote - such injustice! If only the poor Palestinians had nifty weapons like the Israelis have, then they would stop their suicide attacks. So kind of them to offer! I'm sure Israelis would feel a whole lot more secure if the Palestinians had some real fire power.

44 colt
seeing rachels picture made me cry
her little brother kobi and my iris went to gan( infants) togehter for two years
rachel came to pick him at gan up often and wed talk while waiting,, sometimes we rode the 20 bus back together with the kids( iris had a crush on koby)
her mum, avigail, and i stopped smoking together at the same time, and she liked when i spoke english to rachel, so she would " practice it" ( they lived in la for a time.)
saw avigial in front of our supermarket in q,yovel the day the 20 bus blew up.. she was laying flowers there, overwelmed to be reliving the horrorr, again, wiht our neighbours, i hugeed her for an eternity, and she kept whispering " are your girls ok"
its been a loong loong day, im off to bed.

This thing is 37 minutes long. Any highlights?

Matt (#68)

The Palestinians aren't known for their logic.

Where's Q with the c word when you need him. 'Cos if any bitch is one, it's this one.

The most telling line.

Not One Swing in Jenin.

And another thing.

The two people going up against Tonge are making excellent retorical headway and Tonge is comming off as being terribly defensive.

HOW much of this "Extended" interview was aired? I imagine not a lot at all and only those that reflected her well and the jews as argumentative.

Not everyone is as wired as we are. And they're counting on it.

#72 Fay,

So are you wantin' someone to call this bitch a ****?

Consider it done.

Hell, hon, I've done enforcement. Harsh language is free.

:-)

Back tot he coments on how if the Palestinians had helicopter gunships and weapons that they wouldn't need suicide bombs.-- Suicide bombs are a stupid weapon of the weak-- the wordl cannot tolerate a nation with a culture of death like the Palestinians, where the national heroes are airplane hijackers and suicide bombers. If they had read Thoreau and Ghandi, they would have had a liveable solution 20 years ago. I fear the ROP cannot imbibe such wisdom, and the children of palestine will be lost and scattered as much as the shards of a suicide bomber. I am sorry for them, but we cannot help them unless they trun away from the creed of the strong, and the cruel, and the proud.

And yet ANOTHER thing.

At the end, she still is trying to get into the head of a Palestinian Grandmother that lusts for the murder of Jews. To some extent that is to her credit and probably to the credit of more than one Palestinian Granny but for her to keep wanting to drop the sack of potatoes until it stands suspended in mid air instead of crashing to the ground pretty much shows that she's there just to save face. And in that last entry on the BBC its clear that she finally doesn't care. So what if the sack didn;t fall. Gravity is still just a social construct of the patriachial hegemony.

Bill@78--wonderfule post!!

For those debating why Europeans are anti-Israel, Nelson Ascher on Europundit has some thoughts.

(Go to Europundits.blogspot.com and scroll down to the February 14 entry)

Here is an excerpt:

...There has been a problem, however, for the Europeans as they strive to get a clean record: the Jews. No continent that has done to an ethnic minority what Europe did to the Jews, from the Crusades to the Pogroms to the Holocaust, can claim any kind of moral high ground, not for the next thousand years or so. Erecting memorials and museums for the Holocaust, teaching it at schools and so on are all a form of trying to put those nasty facts behind them.

And maybe this would have worked were it not for the existence of Israel. Thanks to European exterminationist anti-Semitism, there's probably no more legitimate state on the face of the earth than Israel, a country that derives its legitimacy from the simple fact that the Jews needed it not to be killed to the last man, woman or child by the Europeans.

Thus, it is Europe's history that legitimates Israel, but Israel's existence de-legitimates Europe's history and, consequently, Europe's role as universal granter of legitimacy. If Europe's history has to be whitewashed so that the continent may assume its new role of pure vestal, of the only universal judge that may decide on anybody else's guilt or innocence, Israel has to be de-legitimized, because it is the living proof of European mega-criminality.

Favoutite quotes from the English asshat:

I desparately want to see a final solution to this

Yeah, the final solution, you idiot Nazi.

Where do we go from here? How do we get out of this morass?

Well, asshat, you take your head out of your ass and see things for the way they really are.

Education is one of the keys to this. Broadening their mindsets ...

Like your's, eeediot?

The leisure centre ...

This woman's primary concern seems to be that a European-funded "leaisure centre" was destroyed up by Israeli forces. Nice priorities: kill Jews, OK. Flatten our leisure centre, and I'll have your balls!

A lot of Palestinians I talk to want their country back ...

It's right next door. It's called Jordan.

There's not enough talking going on.

So that's it: just a little more talk and it's all over. Why didn't I think of that?

I have truly met a lot of Palestinians who want a secure Israel, and a secure Palestinian state living side by side.

Riiight!

I'm still trying to get inside the skin of that Palestinian grandmother.

But the hell with the Israeli one.

We met a mother yesterday who had no idea he was going to do that (i.e., do the splodeydope thing)

Riiight!

#67 Wild Justice

Eh. I think German is a fascinating language.

But I'll second you on replacing "anti-semitism" with Judenhass in writing and conversation. An added benefit to using that term is that it provides an educational opportunity, not to mention that it cuts straight through layers of fat and extraneous tissue - and right down to the nub of the matter.

Judenhass.

Another reason to avoid using "antisemitism" is that some LLL will inevitably say, "But Arabs are Semites, too!"

@6 Mordred

She'll love my message

"I'm asking myself, why did my father, an American citizen willingly volunteer to fight a war so your country could survive as a free nation.
So that I as his daughter could read about the vile and poisonous spewings that froth from your mouth?
I have only one thing to add to your reprehensible behaviour.
Shame.On.You. "

Thom,

The quote comes from Telushkin's book "Jewish Literacy," by the way, in case you're looking for more info on the subject.

Telushkin also discusses "antisemitism" vs. "anti-semitism" and recommends dropping the hyphen to avoid the whole, "But Arabs are Semites, too," argument.

I say drop the term altogether, and call Jew-hatred by its most pernicious and repulsive name.

#76 Iron Fist

Thanks :-0

Semi-OT

Drudge Report says new book about Rumsfeld will reveal that Israel has 82 nuclear weapons.

Not a bad thing in my mind, as I don't see them giving nukes to B'nai Brith to to detonate in a cargo container in NY Harbor, the way I'm concerned about some other nuclear armed states in that general vicinity.

Scattered hailers possible in West Texas and the Big Country

Weather at Ed's House: Heavy rain with thunder.

Still showers around LAX

Alls Quiet on the LA earthquake front.

Alls quiet on the New Madrid, MO fault zone (location of the strongest earthquake ever to hit the lower 48 states in post-Columbian era.)

re #87,

I'm reminded of the phrase John Derbyshire of National Review Online frequently uses: "You can never have enough nuclear weapons."

Heh.

Ed Moran (#87)

Drudge Report says new book about Rumsfeld will reveal that Israel has 82 nuclear weapons.

That's it, only 82!?

#90 Zulubaby

That's it, only 82!?

That's enough to deter the Arab countries, which is ALL that Israel wants to do. A larger amount might make certain countries (France is one) think that Israel is planning a first strike.

Bigel wil not like this.

I dont know- I lived in England and heard far worse from their MPs. I thought there was some ounce of hope in this meeting/interview that Ms.Tonge would listen to reason in the future and be more skeptical about palestinian claims...so who knows

I wish she would become a suicide bomber, in Iran!

#81 Mississauga Matt

I went and listened to it twice and that's pretty much what I heard.

First, Dr. Sangan really impressed me. What a brilliant, uber-human.

Second, while MP Tonge was trying to get into the head, skin, whatever of the Pali's, I was trying to understand her.

At points I felt like Dr Sangan was dealing with some cult member. They smile, and look like they heard you, but then bob back up and spout their party line.

I really think this is the key to what we tend to call the LLL's. I think they are reasonably bright, but essentially incurious lemmings that were were programmed in our universities and are now sealed units.

She had at least 4 rote responses like "how do we go forward from here - a Psych 101 device, and 2 "we need to understand where the Pali's are coming from" - the classic mistake of projecting your value frame onto an alien (really alien) culture.

Another big clue to her cluelessness was her statement about "getting into the skin of the utter hopelessness, the futility, the bad leaders (sic)" of the Pali's. It sounds to me like she has bought into the Pali's victim trap that purports to absolve the victim of any responsibility - see Debra Dickerson for a down home take on breaking the 'cycle' - there is hope.

I spent an hour or so on this exercise because I want to find ways, if possible, of converting, or at least derailing LLL automatons when I encounter them. A high percentage of the 'elite' (read non hard science majors) in our society are infected. Can they be cured?

The money quote for Dr Sangan

Any acceptance or 'understanding' of Suicide Killing is actually encouraging it

This is the price of moral equivalence between morally repugnant behavior and legitimate self defence by a state.

drunkenwookie #52

But during WWII the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto held out against the nazis longer than the nation of Frawnce.

there's probably no more legitimate state on the face of the earth than Israel, a country that derives its legitimacy from the simple fact that the Jews needed it not to be killed to the last man, woman or child by the Europeans. Thus, it is Europe's history that legitimates Israel. . .

Nelson is a great friend of the Jews, and this is well-intentioned, but it's wrong.

I have 2 long posts in his comment thread explaining why. (His comments always say (0) but if you click on them there usually are comments.

Stupid woman. Blind, deaf and dumb.

sigh

is she in anyway related to Jane Fonda??

A trully extra-ordinary interview..

An exopse of Liberal insanity

Here's a man in the real world, vs an idiot from the Left.

#56 Montaigne's Cat

Did I understand Luft properly saying that the reason Israel is constantly in the news is because there are good hotels and restaurants??

It's all due to sushi?

Who knew?

Seriously, if you can get ahold of _Eye on the Media_
by David Bar-Illan, I think he explains things a bit better.

#101 - Thanks for the recommendation - are there any particular Eye on the Media columns by David Bar-Ilan that you would recommend?

On the subject of the journalists in Jerusalem, there was an enlightening artice by the Italian left-leaning journalist Fiamma Nirenstein a while back which I highly recommend. She speaks of the journalists' culture, behavior, self-image, lifestyle, affiliations, etc.

http://www.israelinsider.com/views/articles/views_ 0031.htm

She came of as such a jackass. I wish her constituents all got to hear her, because she got her butt handed to her in that debate.

She didn't so much debate him as just constantly keep responding back at him, "but what should we DO to end the cycle of violence", over and over again. That's pretty much all she said.

#104
When she asked, over and over again, what should we do, I wished he would have said, you (i.e., Europe, the international community, etc.) should stop making excuses for the Palestinians and start making sure their actions have consequences!

#63 Iron Fist 2/22/2004

And the rest of you -- follow the article's link back to

Institute for the Analysis of Global Security (IAGS)

WHOOOPS!

Those are the guys that say -- IF YOU HATE WHAT THE ARABS ARE DOING TO THE WORLD, STOP FEEDING THEIR FRENZY BY DRIVING GAS GUZZLERS!!!

Duh!

It should be a no-brainer -- don't buy the Arabs' gas, but nooo. It's not a popular view among some who claim to be patriots.

(I drive an AMERICAN-MADE Saturn, thank you.)

#102 Montaigne's Cat

Sorry, I was referring to a book.

Bar-Illan

Try your local large library. It's interesting but you don't have to buy it. The author died recently, btw. When you search, remember that he spelled his name oddly and the catalogs may have it wrong.

Does anyone have the actual transcript for the interview?