Can someone please show me to the exit from this mad carnival?

and keeps digging...

Idiot.

grrr

Words fail me, as well. If you find that exit, let me know.

Rope to hang him with...

With a little scrutiny, Noam Chomsky's arguments usually fall apart and reveal all the little deliberate lies and distortions before too long. Being in the NYT will only accelerate this, as bloggers and others will fact-check his ass into oblivion. His biggest bulwark against criticism up until now was his relative obscurity and the fact that few people listened.

If he keeps this up, I wouldn't be surprised if he become the next Fiske.

I can't read it

I just can't

...and an ass as a hat.

Noam, Noam. You are such a dickhead.

D. Edgren

I find it tragic that the Times, the former newspaper of record, is now inding ever more creative ways to consign its reputation to oblivion.

On the other hand, I would rather see it overtly proclaim its bias in the war on terror in its op-ed pages than lie by omission and lack of context in it's actual news stories.

I'm with Russell. Let the dumbshit spout off loudly and in public. Let the asshats be heard!

It's more fun when the have a big audience. Like a train wreck where everyone on board is a real dickhead so you can really enjoy watching without guilt about the pleasure you feel in the carnage!

Hit you over the head with a clue by 4:
The Pinch Sulzberger who runs the Times is not Jewish though he is of Jewish ancestry. His parents converted or it was a mixed marriage. I don't know, but he is not Jewish. Sorry but he will print any old anti Israel trash.

Why do so many worship this man? Words fail me as well.

What a crappy day.

Instead of calling the guy a dickhead, try and understand what he is saying. What he is saying is not so radical. The main thrust of what Chomski is saying is that the conflict could have been solved a while back, if Israel hadn't chosen expansionism over a two state solution. Don't start calling me a troll or a moonbat. I'm not ideologically "left" and this is what I believe to be true.

What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian lands. It is also — as the Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling has described Israel's war of "politicide" against the Palestinians — helping turn Palestinian communities into dungeons, next to which the bantustans of South Africa look like symbols of freedom, sovereignty and self-determination.

Oh the drama! I just read this to my friend (also South African) and we agreed that the Jew-haters are really stretching things with this comparison and Chomsky takes it to a new level. I wonder if the asshole has ever even been to South Africa. Israel is nothing like South Africa, and by the way, there were no fences in South Africa. Another thing ... the word "bantustan" seems to be a word favoured by Jew-haters. The first time I saw it used was by HWSNBN, nobody in South Africa ever used such a word and I'm still a little confused by its use.

The problem is that people respect this Chomsky POS and think he knows what he's talking about.

The NYT should burn in hell, the whole lot of them.

helping turn Palestinian communities into dungeons, next to which the bantustans of South Africa look like symbols of freedom, sovereignty and self-determination.

He really is a mess. I was out with a bunch of people recently, and one of them was saying how wonderful Chomsky is. I bit my tongue, because it wasn't my place to say anything (long story...). I must have had quite a look on my face because everyone quickly changed the subject.

#14 zulubaby

I was wondering what "bantustan" meant.

Glad your kin folk are ok, btw.

Charles, bless you for keeping up the fight, for your strength. I don't know how you do it. Today has been a particularly hard day but you are always a comfort, the Jews have a true friend in you.

#13 Robin

Israeli "chose" expansionism only as a result of annexing lands taken from invading armies on several different occasions and gave much of the territory back. The territory they have kept is strategic ground which even the U.N. never said Israel needed to return.

As for the two party state, the Palestinians already have a state, Jordan. As long as the refugees who refuse to leave Gaza and the West Bank cling to their dreams for the death of Israel, negotiation with them on any grounds is pointless.

Robin seems to have forgotten a thing called the Six Day War.

Ms. Andi, thanks for your concern.

I just read this to my friend (also South African) and we agreed that the Jew-haters are really stretching things with this comparison

zulu--See here for more.

you know they're desperate when they try to mainstream the head moonbat.

NC (#21)

Excellent, thanks!

West Bank Palestinians were never citizens of Israel.

That's always been my first argument. The entire comparison is odious.

Be back in a bit ...

If anyone would like a name and PW I just registered the following:

U.N.: ntyraghole
P.W.: pussyfucker

Enjoy!

#14 zulubaby

I came across this fisking of Chomsky in David Horowitz's archives-- it may tell you more about the [deleted] than you really want to know, but it summarizes his career (including his Israel-bashing) in a way that might come in handy if you're ever around a Chomskyite.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

I feel like sick after reading his article.

(#13) Robin

The main thrust of what Chomski is saying is that the conflict could have been solved a while back, if Israel hadn't chosen expansionism over a two state solution. Don't start calling me a troll or a moonbat. I'm not ideologically "left" and this is what I believe to be true.

Robin, there's no need to classify you as a "troll," a "moonbat," or "ideologically left."

You are just "wrong." Because no matter what your political leanings, anyone who puts all, or even most, of the blame on Israel's behavior for the lack of a two-state solution is completely incorrect - whether it be Chomsky, you or Hanan Ashrawi.

From 1948 until 1967, the Arabs (Egypt and Jordan, respectively) held ALL of Gaza, ALL of the West Bank and MOST of Jerusalem - everything they claim they want in their "two-state solution" plus a few extra dunams.

They could have had their two-state solution, by creating a Palestinian state, over those 20 years that the land much of the international community considers to be Palestinian was completely under Arab control.

They chose rejectionism - by the way, this was the 20 years directly after the U.N. voted for paritition. So yes, Arabs chose rejectionism and Arabs chose war. They got both.

You and Chomsky are trying to write the years from 1948 to 1967 out of the history books, and blame Israeli "rejectionism" and "expansionism" on everything.

That's ridiculous and completely incorrect.

Noam Chomsky? Nom Anor, more like.

Sorry, that user name is 'nytraghole'. Not 'ntyraghole'.

SoCalJustice,

You wrote exactly what I was going to write. I was not going to pigeonhole or type-cast Robin; simply noting "wrong" was enough. In the same light that one cannot determine ideology from 1+1=17...

One thing that really strikes me here is that the Israelis are not coming into the "Palestinian" territories and exploding themselves to demonstrate . . . what?

I have been to Israel, lived there - the Israelis have made this desert bloom, yet less than two miles away the Palestinians cannot make it bloom. Why not? The technology is there, everywhere.

That is the crux of the hatred - the "jews" can make the land work for them, but the "arabs" cannot. It does not matter WHY this is so, for the Arabs. Just that it IS so.

And because the Arabs cannot take responsiblity for themselves they have made hatred of the people who succeed the overwhelming focus of their rage - and they have succeeded in convincing their children, from birth, that the only way they can climb the ladder of
"success" is to blow themselves up on a schoolbus full of jewish children.

The world is in deep doo doo, my friends.

OT: Drudge is reporting that a new book out soon about Rumsfield contains classified documents showing that Israel has approximately 80 nuclear warheads.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

The report of importance is here:

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

I happen to find this report untrustworthy, and Debka agrees. Debka points out that North Korea should easily have more than 10 nukes by 2020. I point to the fact that the report shows India having 10-15 nukes, while Pakistan has 25-35. That is BS. All previous reports I have seen indicate that India has a much larger nuclear inventory than Pakistan, and certainly more than 10-15. Thus, it is highly likely that this report is false, wildly inaccurate, edited to conceal the true extent of some programs, or deliberate disinformation.

Oh, and the NYT hiring Noam Chomsky is icing on the cake. I don't think they can go any lower than this, unless they hire Bin Laden for an Op Ed position.

I always hate to take Noam seriously enough to argue his points, but one thing he said appears to me to be an outright factual lie (as opposed to the other more subjective idiocy)

And when the government of Ariel Sharon finally published its proposed map, it became clear the the wall would cut the West Bank into 16 isolated enclaves, confined to just 42 percent of the West Bank land that Mr. Sharon had previously said could be ceded to a Palestinian state

I don't think Israel has published any final wall route plans. I've seen two kinds of maps: pro-Pali sites show the enclaves Noam talks about and all other sites show uncertain wall routes on the north, south, and east of the West Bank.

Usually academia idiots like Noam are at least smart enough to bullshit without using actual facts.

Mortimer B. Zuckerman: Building a Freedom Fence
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

The Palestinians and their leaders in the Arab world--who created the whole tragedy by waging a war of extermination in the first place, second place, and third place--have shown no willingness to accept Israel, no matter what concessions are offered. The vast majority of Israelis, and now their leaders, find the moral, financial, and political burden bearable no longer. Conflict management, not conflict resolution, is the only real option.

I have a ridiculous suggestion. Why hasn't Israel made the ultimatum that the next attack against it is an act of war, thereby letting them retaliate by wiping out the death cult peoples and taking over the entire region? What is stopping them from just putting all of this to an end? Take action and declare war, then attack the Arafat kingdom, conquer it, and let it be done. This will never end without wiping out these death cult people who teach their children to continue this sick way of life.

The two-state proposal has the support of a majority of Americans today, and could be enacted immediately if Washington wanted to do so.

His lack of understanding of the situation is simply mind boggling.

By the way, when does Chomsky quote the world bank without demonizing it? I think that the master moonbat is losing his edge.

Just a thought, what would the master moonbat think if he found out how little he's held in esteem?

Connecticut Yankee (#25)

... in a way that might come in handy if you're ever around a Chomskyite.

Funny you should say that since I have come across one lately. We got into it good and proper so that article will certainly help in the future. I only wish I had this guy's e-mail address so I could send the FrontPage article to him.

@19 addison

Where is cba and her troll timing clock?

My BS meter is running full out.

re: "Usually academia idiots like Noam are at least smart enough to bullshit without using actual facts."

Why should Chomsky care? Nobody ever calls him on his lies. In October 2001 he claimed that America was committing - not just planning, mind you, but committing - a "silent genocide of 3 or 4 millions" in Afghanistan. Did the NY Times or any other paper ever call him on it?

No. So why should he care?

I think Noam is taking his cue from the Islamists. Don't they use a wall as a weapon, when they knock one over to kill homosexuals?

#38 zulubaby

Glad it was helpful-- and please take good care of yourself-- you must be very tired after all the bad news today.

#13 Robin

With all due respect, the world did not magically spring into existence in June of 1967. The current awful (and they are horrible) conditions the Palestinians live in is the result of 1 thing only: Arab rejectionism. For an excellent look at why the Arabs have behave the way they do (and a startling insight about what the rest of the Arab world really thinks about the Palestinians) I would recommend this book.

#36

Isrealis actually think that it is immoral to wipe out whole civillian populations. Not that you'd know it from reading Chomsky. That's the only way to "wipe out these death cult people who teach their children to continue this sick way of life". And Israel will never do it. It would be unthinkable.

Even if they were transferred out, they'd still find a way to fight jihad against someone.

Connecticut Yankee (#42)

Thanks. I'm drained and exhausted, it's been a horrible day.

40 Nadine

Point taken.

remember chomsky has defended french holocaust denier Faurisson. i heard him explicate on this years
ago in Cambridge where the chomsky deadheads congregate, tape recorder and pencil in hand.

he has the lecturing style of an accountant reading the tax code. he is such an idiot, and what amazes me is that the left says the media does not air views of people like chomsky, but you can listen to public radio, go into bookstores, turn on cspan book tv, and now open the pages of ny times and have this un-useful idiot prattling on about how bad either the US or Israel or both are.

his defense of the indefensible goes through such sophistry with as many curves as ann nicole smith, a person who probably is smarter than chomsky when it comes to foreign policy.

#13 Robin

a two state solution was rejected in 1948.

News from Stalin’s Corner

…By stealing other people’s work, using a lot of long senseless words, and making up fancy bullshit, the pathetic charlatan Chomsky was able to convince a number of unfortunate lemming “intellectuals” that he was a genius. As a result of his anti-scientific manipulations, the field of linguistics, dominated by Chomsky’s posse, became the least respected field of American academia. One’s linguistics credentials were measured by one’s devotion to Chomsky and his Bible of Bullshit.

However, the ambitions of the imposter were so high, that corrupting American universities was not enough.

Presiding over a feast of highbrow idiotism couldn’t satisfy his narcissism.

He had to deliver his bullshit to the masses. Seeking adulation and power, Chomsky decided to get into politics. Taking advantage of his fake academic reputation, the deceitful coward assumed the role of High Priest of Leftist Lunacy. His lectures became sermons of bitching about his government, his country, and his people, and more brainless lemmings started to worship him. Collaborating with other Priests of Leftist Lunacy, who posed as professors, artists, journalists, and politicians, Chomsky preached that his country was the worse evil on Earth.

The spineless opportunist Chomsky committed a crime, which was worse than his crime against truth, science and education. By making people believe their homeland was not worth protecting at the time of war, the miserable prostitute Chomsky committed treason against his country and his People, and betrayed the whole Civilization. Lured by fame and power, Chomsky succumbed to his hubris, and lost his dignity and humanity.

For these unforgivable crimes, the Supreme Revolutionary Court declared Noam Chomsky enemy of the People, and sentenced the traitor to death. The verdict was executed February 23, 2004, at 19:00 Moscow time.

OT

Go read
Men in a Time of Terror

you know they're desperate when they try to mainstream the head moonbat.

Either that, or they feel the times are such that they can now minstream the head moonbat with ease.

What is stopping them from just putting all of this to an end?

If you mean genocide, Jewish conciense is stopping them, and good for them.

If you mean, as I believe you do, what is stopping them from engaging in a Just War, the answer sits in the White House.

Robin:

The only two-state solution the Palis will accept is the Palis in a state of Palestine from the river to the sea and the Israelis in a state of biological decomposition. The only land of Israel they will accept is a mass grave where the Israelis turn into land.

Go bob-bob-bobbin' along elsewhere if you don't realize this.

Chump-sky is a big, stupid, chump, but Kerry's views, if elected is worrisome:

Those who oppose the project, including Sen. John Kerry, are denying Israel the most elementary right of self-defense for its citizens, while ensuring that the current conflict will be longer and bloodier.

Maine's Michael (#51),

If you mean, as I believe you do, what is stopping them from engaging in a Just War, the answer sits in the White House.

Then am I correct in assuming that you'll be voting Kerry?

Does this mean more olive picker sob stories at the New York Crimes?

“What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian lands. It is also — as the Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling has described Israel's war of "politicide" against the Palestinians — helping turn Palestinian communities into dungeons, next to which the bantustans of South Africa look like symbols of freedom, sovereignty and self-determination.”

What a lying, disengenous, slimy bastard!

And how could the New York Times sink so low as to publish such rubbish by a known Israel-hate!?

In terms of political extremism, Chomsky is to the left what David Duke is to the right. I have trouble believing the NYT would ever publish an article by David Duke on race relations; yet they have no problem letting the likes of Chomsky savage Israel.

Zak

OT: Great program exposing Palestinian jihad brainwashing on ABC Family channel right now.

Then am I correct in assuming that you'll be voting Kerry?

When confronted with shitty choices, you hold your nose and do what you have to do.

#36  DJ

I have a ridiculous suggestion. Why hasn't Israel made the ultimatum that the next attack against it is an act of war, thereby letting them retaliate by wiping out the death cult peoples and taking over the entire region?

Why call it ridiculous? That would be the most sensible course of action.

As far as Chomsky's article, his point seems to be the Palis will suffer because of the wall. I hope Chomsky is right on that point. The Palis are evil and they deserve to suffer for supporting terrorism. If anything, the wall is waaay too nice a response. Was our response to Hitler to simply build a wall? I don't think so!

FYI,

Chomsky's email address is:

chomsky@mit.edu

Please don't resort to death threats, but don't be afraid to let ol' Noam know how you feel about him.

#13

The main thrust of what Chomski is saying

I'm sorry, but sincere or not, anyone who starts off that way has got to be a Chomskybot. His words do not "thrust", they ooze. Whatever Orwellian gibberish he might be spewing has no relationship with reality in any way.

Someone has to take out this verbal terrorist and traitor. He is a souless trash machine.

Today, I cried.

I read and remembered the trajedy of Avi Ohayon's family. People, don't get swamped by the numbers, everyone is a precious soul.

Avi, I don't know you, but my family is going to light a candle for your family tonight.

#25 Connecticut Yankee

You may be interested in a book by Peter Collier and David Horowitz _Destructive Generation_. It's a bit dull in parts so I will summarize (save you 10 dollars and an evening).

Chomsky and the others of the Left believe in The Idea. Facts, logic, truth are all unimportant next to this. There is always a new revolution to support (when the current one turns out to be a dictator who murders his countrymen), and facts must be fit to the Idea, even if they need to be changed, and if the Third World/minority/lower species misbehaves (like murders a few million people) this is because The Devil (ie the USA) made them do it.

The eye-opener for me was that nothing that is going on now is new - the Left has been doing the same thing over and over again, merely moving on to the next fashionable revolution/dictatorship. It's the Palestinian's turn this year - and when the Left decides that Arafat is a thug they will simply move on to the next scene.

This is why these dictators always get a "free pass" - they are not responsible for their actions.

Theirs a hole in my heart the size of Isreal...

Fuck Chomsky. The Lakers have won four in a row. Don't even pay attention to this guy.

Unbelievable.

Charles, this really deserves a permalink, now that Chomsky is getting the NYT Housekeeping Seal of Approval

The Sick Mind of Noam Chomsky

Must reading.

Anne Elk (not AN elk) (#64),

Boy that's lame. Your theory is far more interesting.

Arafat to Launch 'Day of Rage' against Israel's Apartheid Wall (Pal. Media Center)

sirens are to sound, church bells toll, and all traffic come to a standstill for five minutes to be followed by a one-hour warning strike

This is why these dictators always get a "free pass" - they are not responsible for their actions.

Third Worlders never are. The Left is chock full of the greatest racists. Never mind the iraqis were being dropped into giant paper shredders, gassed, and mass graved. Nothing to see there, just your typical third world country, pursuing its own unique and equally valid destiny . . .

(subtext: Not worth wasting our money and risking the lives of our men on.)

Israel, the most successful multiracial country on the face of the earth, however, does take the threats from brown peole seriously, and the left comes down on her like a ton of bricks.

Russell - 6

If he keeps this up, I wouldn't be surprised if he become the next Fiske.

Maybe even Idiotarian Of The Year.

In as much as Nim Chimpsky has managed to linguistically alter the English language by using a term new to me, "politicide", he confers moral equivalency to Israel in being as much to blame for "suicide" bombings. But it macabrely implies that the deaths of innocents is somehow due to a deliberate, proactive policy of political death on behalf of Israel.

Note to Nim: You are one sick, self loathing Jew. And citing other sick, self loathing Jews only undermines your case. I will now allege that you and your ilk are responsible for "shallow structure", the meaning of which should be intuitively obvious, as you expect your newspeak to be.

You as Punchy's shill are losing the war of traditional media versus non-traditional media. You are losing in the war of words. You are losing the war against traditional values. We, the upholders of America and Israel, are winning the WOT, are practicing traditional values and, unlike you, are not mincing words.

From wordwarp's link:

The New York Times calls Chomsky "arguably the most important intellectual alive,"

What the senile Old Gray Lady meant to say: "inarguably the most fawned over pseudo-intellectual in the anti-American universe."

OT: Robert 'The Butcher' Mugabe has chest pains

[Link: www.reuters.co.uk...]

Faster Please...

ot:

Al-Qaeda sympathisers handed over to troops by Pakistani tribesmen

Threatened by the prospect of a large-scale Pakistan military offensive to seize the suspects, tribal elders bowed to pressure and presented authorities with the Al-Qaeda sympathisers.

The Times has always hated Israel and Jews - the Times purposefully downplayed the Holocaust while it was occurring, editorialized against the founding of Israel, damned Israel for capturing and executing Eichmann, condemned Begin's attack on the Iraqi nuclear plant and have spent the past 10 years lying about the intifada. My guess is that the owners, who have Jewish ancestors but are no more Jewish that the Pope are so fearful of being accused of favoring Jews that they have spent the past 100 years erring in the opposite direction. Either way, the paper of Walter Duranty and Jayson Blair has definitely hit a new low.

I agree it's awful that Chomsky is in the NYT, but he has not been made a columnist; he's merely listed as "Op-Ed Contributor." Meaning it's probably -mercifully- a one-shot deal.

#68 Geepers:

Well then, I saved you 20 dollars (I checked Amazon).

Now... as for the dinosaur...

#75 Morgan

My guess is that the owners, who have Jewish ancestors but are no more Jewish that the Pope are so fearful of being accused of favoring Jews that they have spent the past 100 years erring in the opposite direction.

They're ancestore were German Jews. Some of the nastiest assholes ever to walk the face of the earth. "We are good Germans" Because of these scumbags millions of Jews were murdered by their fellow Germans.

#70 Maine's Michael

(subtext: Not worth wasting our money and risking the lives of our men on.)

So long as they themselves don't get drafted, they don't give a shit how many US soldiers die.

Chomsky is not the problem, his public is. If there were no that big leftist intellectual demi monde there would be no demand for pseudo-historic, pseudo intellectual pseudo-liberal (actually hard core communist) bullshit of the kind Chomsky peddles.

Somebody mentioned a map of the fence route with regard to Chomsky's lie that Israel is using fence to grab 40+% of Judea and Samaria.

The rout is no secret, there is Israeli MOD site dedicated to the fence.

Morgan,

The Times has always hated Israel and Jews - the Times purposefully downplayed the Holocaust while it was occurring,

& Mojo,
It is not a secret that the NYT is the mouthpiece of The St@te Dept.

...The modern world begins, the authors suggest, at the end of World War I, when British diplomat/adventurers Jack Philby (father of Soviet spy Kim Philby and legendary Arabist) and Lawrence of Arabia endeavour to unify a bunch of warring Bedouin tribes into nationhood, best represented by Saudi Arabia. Aware that black gold (oil) lies underneath the desert sands, Philby gingerly befriends Ibn Saud, and makes him the first Saudi king. But Philby is not solely interested in empire, even his own British one; he is interested in making money, and forges an alliance with an American intelligence agent in charge of Middle Eastern affairs, Allen Dulles. By the 1930s, Ibn Saud and Philby are secret supporters of the Nazi rise to political power in Germany, and bring Dulles, a NYC-based corporate lawyer for Sullivan and Cromwell, in on their scheme. It is a triple game driven by their hatred of Zionism and the Jews, motivated by their obsessive seeking of profits, and designed to completely transform the landscape of the Middle East. ...

The main thrust of what Chomski is saying is that the conflict could have been solved a while back, if Israel hadn't chosen expansionism over a two state solution. Don't start calling me a troll or a moonbat. I'm not ideologically "left" and this is what I believe to be true.

Robin, as has been said, you are simply incorrect.

Get out a piece of paper, write down the following dates
separated by lines a few inches apart.
1929, 1939, 1945, 1948, 1956, 1964, 1967, 1973, 1979, 1992, 2001

1929 was when arabs murdered most of the jews living in Hebron. You knew that right?

1939-1945 arabs including the mufi of jersusalem fought FOR Hitler.

1948 A two State solution was accepted by Israel, rejected by the arabs.

1956 Arabs nations repeatedly threatened to wipe out Israel.

1964 Arafat invents the idea of Palestinians as a separate
people from the rest of the arabs. He starts attacks that target jews.

1967 Nassar plans to attack Israel. They hit first.
He losses as does Syria, and Jordan. For the first time
East Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank are no longer in
arab hands but in Israels. Israel plans to trade them for peace, but all the arab nations get together the next year and issue the three no's
no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.

[Link: www.likud.nl...]

In 1973 the arabs again attacked Israel.

In 1979 Israel made peace with Sadat. AND GAVE BACK THE SINI! Sadat was murdered for making peace.

In 1979 the PLO used Lebanon as a base to launch rockets at Israel, who invaded Lebanon to stop the attacks.

The only time when peace through a two state solution might have been possible, and also might have been set back by settlements is from 1982 or so, when the labor party lost power and 1992 when Oslo was signed. Arafat lied when he signed Oslo, as has been shown by his training a generation of hate and stockpiling arms etc.

But you have your piece of paper, look at it and tell us,
when did Israel miss its chance for a two state solution?

When it built apartments in western Jersusalem with small windows on the side facing jordanian held east jersusalem because the arrabs liked to shot at the jews from time to time?

In 1967, when many children in northern Israel were able for the first time in their lives to sleep at night above ground, and not in bomb shelters due to syrian shelling of their homes.

Google the charter of Hamas and read it. Then we can talk.

10:11 Arafat: Palestinians have endured hardships unlike any other people in history.

In this context, I'd like to recommend the excellent blog of Oliver Kamm, which is very articulate and erudite. Further, Kamm has written a review for every Chomsky piece of crap out there, and he takes no prisoners. See here.

When does Hutton Gibson get a column at the Times?

I saw this quote, I forget where, put I think it explains Gnome's popularity pretty well.

If you make someone think they're thinking, they love you; if you actually make them think, they hate you.

Which is why the left loves their pseudo-intellectuals so much,

#82 Piglet.

Israel did not attack Jordan in 1967, Jordan actually was warned that Israel has no plans to attack themunless they attack first, but Jordan started shelling of western Jerusalem.

Also IIRC, the Arabs adopted their famous 'Three Nos', or Arab League Khartum Resolution, in August 1967, a couple of months in advance of UN vote resolution 242, which the Arabs consequently rejected, of course.

So any talk about Israeli "expansionism" by self declared not-moonbat Robin is a load of horse manure. Israel annexed only Eastern Jerusalem, and even this Barak offered to hand to Arafat.

But you have your piece of paper, look at it and tell us, when did Israel miss its chance for a two state solution?

Oh, but per Chomsky Israel is missing it's chance for peace each time she refuses to except ALL terrorist demands, while expressing very legitimate, and supported many times by historic events, security concerns by Israel is expansionism/imperialism/reactionary obstractionism/war mongering/Sharon's-inherent-evil/whatever-rhetoric -suits-the-moment. Grrr...

IDF captures 15 Kg bomb tonight
In the Balata refugee camp, near Nablus.
The IDF was led to it by two Tanzim terrorists captured tonight.

Poor Yassir. His "day of rage" won't be as much fun as he expected.

From the article:

Few would question Israel's right to protect its citizens from terrorist attacks like the one yesterday, even to build a security wall if that were an appropriate means

Pretty rich coming from someone who, like the Arabs, completely rejects the existence of Israel.

Connecticut Yankee

Thank you for your link to Keith Windschuttle's rather definitive debunking of Chomsky. Anyone who has the slightest inclination to believe the vile sputum he spits out should be required to read that piece.

BTW, the original is still available at The New Criterion in their archives:

The Hypocrisy of Noam Chomsky by Keith Windschuttle

(Link included for my personal reference.)

#71 firebrand

I don't think it's proper to call Nim "self loathing". He doesn't hate himself, in fact he's a narcissist of the first order.

I guess what drives modern day kapos is instinctual self-preservation. Nim knows that he's got nothing to fear from his own people and that the only threat to his life and livelihood comes from anti-Semites. So to hedge his bets, so to speak, he joins the ranks of the Jew haters. A weak-willed person such as Nim can't stand the pressure coming from the other side, so the only way out for him and others like him is to switch over to the other side heart, mind and soul.

Nim's the ugly child of anti-Semitism. Pitiful, really.

What is stopping them from just putting all of this to an end?

The problem is not in the white house, the problem is in israel. Imagine that Noam Chomsky and his friends have near absolute control in the academia, the media, the judiciary.
Israel has no fox news, and only 3 influential daily papers (yediot, Haaretz, maariv) all of whom believe that Israel is at fault.
Many in the academia believe that the establishment of the jewish state was a mistake, a mistake that must be corrected.
I have spoken to leftist militants who think the arabs have the "right to return". When i asked wht do you think will happen then, they say : well, probably the jews will be killed".
so i ask: "what about you? aren't you scared?"
the answer is "no, i have a foriegn passport..."

in short: the Israeli public is continually misinformed, anyone who opposes the militant left is either ignored or prosecuted, anyone who wants to fight back is denigrated.
you should see the outcry in israels media everytime a palestinian is killed in an army operation. a stranger would think that the Israeli media is palestinan media in hebrew.

we are in deep shit, no kidding.

Ultimately the palestinians must lose everything. They need to be removed from the rest of civilization but not with a wall but military power.

Israel needs, in a from this day forward kind of way, to strip the palestinians of their land, their culture, their religion, and their children. All these things are tools for making war to the palestinians.

Chompsky is sort of like a troll upon humanity. It's best to gaze past his contrived points based on deception and ommission.

Chomsky is the exception to the rule of free speech. His writing is not intended to communicate but to subvert and decieve your very mind.

He's the price of freedom. Extreme vigilence or avoidance is required. He ought not be allowed in the University environment or the mainstream press.

I have to wonder or perhaps marvel at what type of man runs his university or the NY times. They must be weak or vile too.

Breaking News

Jerusalem riot on CNN

Nothing makes me more mad, sad, upset, pissed off, crazy than a Jewish anti-Jew like Chomsky spouting off somewhere where other anti-Jews can hear it and then feel justified in their anti-Jew opinion: "see Chomsky (insert Beilin, Burg, Peres, Ha-aretz, the Israeli Left, Tommy Friedman etc) says so and he's Jewish." They make the world dangerous for all of us. I feel so upset today (Monday) after yesterday's bus bombing and then this week will bring the anti-Jew jamboree in the Hague and Ash Wed. with Mel's resurrection of the deicide charge. Its like the world is saying "they killed Jesus and we are still going to make them pay for it". Well at least it is almost Purim.

oops, I meant on Fox News

Noam Chomskey is a liar and a lunatic - honestly, he really ought to be examined. The fact that he's an 'esteemed professor' spares him the recognition that he's as nutty as a fruitcake.

Speaking of nutty, the DU'ers are at it again, about the death of the Bushes dog, of all things:

George W. Bush's presidential 'First Dog' dies

... I can never be anything but sad to hear about the passing of a canine family member. Do I feel a fleeting touch of sympathy for the Bushes? Not exactly. But I do hope the experience is a wake-up call to Dubya: "Hey, this is what grief feels like. Much of the rest of the world has to live with it every single day. In part because of things you've done."

How's that for irrational?

I thought Chomsky said "dissent" (as he edscribes his radical political opinions) are suppressed by corporate media organs like the NYT to fool the public into supporting policies counter to their own interest. A self-flattering explanation of why most people don't agree with him.

Is this his first column for the NY Times? Not even they would give him a regular spot. Paul Krugman must be embarrassment enough.

#89 Rayra

Speaking of other NYT-related insanity - Jayson Blair wants to establish a scholarship fund at his alma mater, for aspiring journalists

Who would want that on their resume?

#101 Moonbat_one

Maybe an aspiring Onion or National Lampoon writer?

This is going to be a (probably in very bad English) translation of the front-page article in Yedioth Ahronot of today (Israeli printed newspaper):

"You judge and I burry my husband"

Today you'll all sit there in The Hague and give a decree. Today I burry my husband, my heart, that is cut in two.

I'm not a politician. I turn to you all as someone who's lost her husband, as a human being who's heart bleeds - and a human being for who the separation fence could have prevented this tragedy. 21 years I was married to Yehuda. He was my teenage-sweetheart, from age 15. Yehuda's sister is the wife of Israeli's consulate attache in The Hague and works there at the embassy. For months in a row now she, her husband and the embassy's team are trying to open the eyes of the world. For months they are trying to defend the rights of the state of Israel. And I, what could I ask for? Just for my little personal right, my right for a husband, the right to see our children grow up and florish, get educated and serve in the army, together.

This right I won't be getting anymore. But today you can make that other families in Israel will be fortunate enough to get this basic right - a happy family; to wake up in the morning without bereavement, without gravestones and graveyards. Today, when you start to discuss the big issues, think, if only for one moment, about the small people that are behind this bloody conflict. Think for just a moment about that golden heart of my husband, Yehuda, or about my small son, Avner. Maybe you can try to explain to him, a boy of only 10 years old, why damned doesn't he have a father.

In your courthall people will enter that will talk, blame. In my home will enter people that come to console, and I will not be able to understand and surely not be consoleable. In the evening, your will all return home, kiss your husband or wife, embrace your children - and I will be alone.

It is true that politics are far away from me, but now that bereavement is too close to me, I think I earned, with equity, with tears - the right to turn to you and tell you : If a fence would have fenced in the whole country, maybe me too, just like you, could have kissed my husband tonight. Don't judge my country, don't prevent it in preventing more victims to fall. Today I burry a husband. YOU, DON'T BURRY JUSTICE [also = honesty].

Fanny Chaaim

I don't know if it's permitted at all to translate and copy these things. I only know that this should be heard.

LOL!

BBC reporter was giving the usual screed about Zionists, walls, shooting stone-throwers, etc, when the guy in the studio says:

Studio: (Paraphrasing) It's very interesting, the scene behind you. There are children wearing scarves over their faces, yet behind them is a stall doing business.

Heroic reporter: Er, yes, well, the tear gas is still in the air and the young children are perhaps more vulnerable to it. It's still stinging the back of my throat.

(Camera zooms in on stall vendor selling rolls to ~10 y.o. Arab kids, without scarves, smiling and laughing.)

I was stunned. Earlier in the interview, the studio guy asked if this was all just street theatre!

Yesterday - on topic again - I saw CNN (a programme that's called Int'l Reporters - or something like that) - and Christiane Amenpoure was interviewing a bloke (sorry, best word to describe him) from the Guardian and Melanie Philips from Daily News - subject: anti-semitism

Melanie Philips started to talk about the restrictions (and threats) that the Palestinian throw at foreign reporters and a lot more of the bias the press is producing against Israel. Obviously, at a quick shot of the camera of Christiane's face - it was clear to see she didn't like to hear those things. But, what's worse, Melanie never interrupted the Guardian bloke, but the Guardian bloke repeatedly interrupted Melanie - and made it a point not to answer questions, but to deny everything Melanie said.

Disgusting, truely, truely disgusting.

Anyone else seen this programme?

#104 Colt

I just loved how the same ambulance kept pulling up in front of the camera crews, drove around the corner, drove back, 3 or 4 times. I only saw one guy on a stretcher and they ran him past the ambulance.

Plus, how many times do we hear about poor little 14 year old Abu Apoo was shot? The entire crowd throwing rocks looked to be made up of kids that age.

Even as the rain slowly winds down in the Southland, the risk of flash flooding still exists, especially across the Inland Empire.

More trouble Wednesday and Thursday, for entire CA coast (more hail and funnel clouds inland as very cold H5 low (-30C) moves in along Central Coast)

...STRONG PACIFIC STORM TO AFFECT THE AREA WEDNESDAY...

A SIGNIFICANT PACIFIC STORM IS EXPECTED TO AFFECT CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ON WEDNESDAY...BRINGING HEAVY RAINFALL AND
POSSIBLE FLASH FLOODING TO THE AREA.

AT THIS TIME...IT APPEARS THAT THE STORM WILL HAVE A STRONG SUBTROPICAL CONNECTION... GIVING THE STORM PLENTY OF MOISTURE TO
GENERATE COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF RAIN. IN ADDITION...STRONG SOUTHERLY WINDS ARE EXPECTED AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT. THESE SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT OROGRAPHIC RAINFALL IN THE FOOTHILLS AND
MOUNTAINS. PRELIMINARY RAINFALL AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED TO RANGE FROM 2 TO 3 INCHES ACROSS THE COASTAL PLAIN...TO BETWEEN 4 AND 8 INCHES
IN THE FOOTHILLS AND MOUNAINS. THESE RAINFALL AMOUNTS...COMBINED WITH THE ALREADY SATURTED GROUND...COULD GENERATE WIDESPREAD FLOODING
ACROSS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA...ESPECIALLY IN AND AROUND THE BURN AREAS.

SNOW LEVELS WITH THIS STORM WILL BE RATHER HIGH...PROBABLY OVER 6500 FEET. HOWEVER...ABOVE THE SNOW LEVEL...THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR ONE
TO THREE FEET OF SNOWFALL.

IN ADDITION TO THE RAIN AND SNOW...GUSTY SOUTHEAST TO SOUTH WINDS ARE EXPECTED WITH THIS STORM. WIND SPEEDS ARE EXPECTED TO RANGE
BETWEEN 20 AND 40 MPH WITH GUSTS OVER 50 MPH POSSIBLE IN THE MOUNTAINS.

By the way, just as the weekend California storm will bring severe weather (hail producing storm near Uvalde now) into Wednesday morning here, the even stronger California storm Wednesday and Thursday may be my birthday weekend SUPER TEXAS SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK storm.

Will DFW area see snowflakes tomorrow night on back side of storm? maybe. Will it stick? Probably not, but Graham and Wichita Falls may be a different story.

The usual swarm of little earthquakes (obscure musical reference) in California and Alaska, but nothing big.

I was actually surprised at the moderation of the Chomsky op-ed.

Now before everyone rips my head off, let me make it clear I think he is the dark high priest of barking moonbattery, I think his essential point was rhetorically nasty and overblown (the Bantustan argument was foul, considering that the Palestinians would not be caged in as the suppressed majority of an Israeli population akin to what happened in SA, but rather simply given ultimate control of their own independent region), and I disagree with his conclusions.

But I'm surprised that he acknowledged the legitimacy, in theory, of an Israeli security fence. That's several important steps beyond the current European worldview, which stops only just shy of suggesting the entire Jewish state ought to pack up and move to America. Now the question is, does Chomsky ACTUALLY think a fence (be it on the 'suicide borders' of the Green Line or the one which is currently being constructed) is justified, or is this merely a strategic concession forced upon him by the desire to be printed in the New York Times? Does the analogous version of this article on, say, ZNet, disclaim the legitimacy of the Zionist enterprise altogether.

My basic point is that, since I'm surprised by the almost middle-of-the-road argument here (he's not talking about right-of-return, for example, or even saying a fence would be inhumane in principle), I have an abiding suspicion he doesn't believe it. Any enterprising lizardoid henchmen care to trawl through the Chomskyian swamps to see whether he's advanced contradictory views elsewhere?

#105 Tsedek

Was the Guardian bloke a fat guy with a small beard? If so, his name is David Aaronovitch.

#106 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

Apparently the guy on the stretcher was a journalist, a sound techie. The BBC person said he was probably hit by a tear gas grenade or a rubber bullet. The possibility that one of the several hundred people throwing rocks might have missed didn't enter his 'mind'.

The BBC reporter interviewed an Israeli police superintendent, who said the police had six injured, including one with a serious head-wound. He also said they'd had Molotov cocktails thrown at them.

And the BBC guy says he saw the whole thing. Maybe he did, but it's entirely predictable that he neglects to point out Israeli casualties. Naturally, a police presence was a 'temptation'.

He finished with something like 'Israelis call it a fence, the Palestinians call it a wall'. He didn't see the irony that he'd been calling it a wall, too.

OT

AS GERMANY STANDS WITH JEWS IN BRUSSELS TO CONDEMN ANTISEMITISM, BERLIN LEGITIMIZES ANTISEMITIC TERRORISTS IN BEIRUT

CLICK ON THE ABOVE TO SEND YOUR PROTEST TO CHANCELLOR SCHROEDER!

108
Jeff B.:

I too thought Nim was holding himself back. He didn't mention anything like Zionism=Racism, Jews=Nazis, Bush=Hitler, etc... Honestly I didn't know that he could get by without these staples, or that he could write readable prose. He must be reading other people's work in linguistics, because I don't know how to explain this piece's comprehensibility otherwise.

OT: Feminism's biggest enemy is Islam. (Try telling that to Naomi Wolfe, who is more seething about a pass Harold Bloom made to her twenty years ago. Yeah--that's really important.)

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

OT
(sort of)

How do we organize the Department of Defense for manhunts?

'This is war,' Rumsfeld told Bush

Declare war, this is what Israel needs to do. America needs to do it too. And re-declare as many times as necessary.

Then we have to concentrate on identifying the enemy, foreign or domestic, alien or citizen; then send in the manhunt teams and take care of business.

The sooner the better.

Once you decide to kill something, whether by blunt trauma, or strangulation, or the trigger, it's best to do it quick and clean. And be done with it.

Americans, westerners, are the best of hunters. And I say good hunting!

#31 True. I only add the point made by the Israeli physician in the BBC link Charles cited yesterday:

In the last 60 years, how many Jewish suicide bombers have exploded themselves in coffeeshops, pizzerias, and buses in . . . Germany?

#113 Scaramouche

Fortunately Phyllis Chesler is speaking out about that, calling it exactly like it is.

Here is a collection of her articles at Frontpage Magazine.

Severe Stroms Increasing in Areal Cooverage and Intensity Central Texas

Meanwhile, the afternoon may find isolated tornado action near HOU and along the coast towards Lundi Gras revellers.

AS THIS CLUSTER OF STORMS AND ASSOCIATED MID-LEVEL VORT MAX MOVE ENEWD ACROSS CENTRAL AND INTO ERN TX THIS AFTERNOON...ADDITIONAL STORM DEVELOPMENT WILL LIKELY OCCUR ACROSS SWRN AND S CENTRAL TX THROUGH THIS EVENING / OVERNIGHT AS UPPER FEATURE NOW OVER NWRN MEXICO APPROACHES. AGAIN... MAIN SEVERE THREATS WITH THESE STORMS SHOULD BE LARGE HAIL AND LOCALLY DAMAGING WINDS.

FURTHER EAST ALONG THE UPPER TX / LA COASTS... SURFACE- OR NEAR SURFACE-BASED STORMS ARE ALSO ANTICIPATED NEAR AND SOUTH OF WARM FRONT -- PARTICULARLY THIS AFTERNOON WITH DIURNAL INSTABILITY MAXIMUM. LOCALLY DAMAGING WINDS OR PERHAPS AN ISOLATED TORNADO WILL BE POSSIBLE WITH A FEW OF THE STRONGER STORMS ACROSS THIS REGION.

WSR-88D Doppler Radar from San Angelo, TX (BTW, did you know "San Angelo" is a gringo corruption. The town was named "Santa Angela", but after the revolution, whitey shortened it to San Angela, which later (somehow) became San Angelo. At least the gender of "San" matches the gender of "Angelo". Lots of towns/rivers got changed after the honkies took over. The Rio Trindidad became the Trinity River, the town of Guadalupe Victoria became Victoria, and Harrisburg became Houston.

#117 Ed Moran Abu Weather

Please stay safe.

What does this refer to?

1971 when, with American support, Israel rejected a full peace offer from Egypt, preferring expansion to security.

The New York Nazi Times - all the news that's fit to slant!

I wonder if they would print an op ed from someone such as Baruch Marzel.

#119 Gadfly

I think it refers to moonbats who prefer their own version of history to actual facts. Other than that, I have no idea.

Mark Steyn on the great Canadian/American divide.

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

I would find the contradiction between a man that believes in nothing and the same man working hard on op-ed pieces to be perplexing . . . if only the writing was any good.

Noiam Commy - the only man that sheds wisdom with age.

#117 Ed Moran

Severe Stroms Increasing in Areal Cooverage and Intensity Central Texas

Crap! Dixiecrats on the horizon!

Leftists, Muslims, Nazis; all these cancers need to be killed.

I spotted this article in my daily update. Sickens me that this moron is being given a platform for his scribblings.

Completely ot but of possible interest to Texian's and Houstonian's in particular - "The benefits of working for the ‘Little Satan."

I just received this email from my wife. Prior to the war 4 demonstrators showed up and found 15 cops on horseback along with a slew of cop cars awaiting their arrival. Of the local press, one TV station sent a reporter with a mini-cam and i don't believe they bothered to file a story.

To say the Kbr/Halliburton employee’s, along with other sympathetic professional engineers/constructors within the industry and U.S., will be providing a new voters base for Bush in the next election is probably an understatement.

SUBJECT: International day of protest against Halliburton.
Halliburton Corporate Security has received information from several police agencies and intelligence sources that a coalition oforganizations is attempting to organize an international day of protest against Halliburton, Bechtel and other corporations working in Iraq. The planned date is Tuesday Feb. 24, 2004.

The coalition is sponsored by the Campaign to Stop the War Profiteers(**the Save Tyrants/Give Dhimmitude A Chance Org - my edit, abu-hoo **)
(Institute for Southern Studies), Citizen Works, CodePink, Democracy Rising, Direct Action to Stop the War, EPIC (Education for Peace in Iraq
Center), Global Exchange, National Network to End the War Against Iraq, National Youth and Student Peace Coalition, United for Peace and Justice, U.S. Labor Against War, War Resisters League, WILPF (Women's
International League for Peace and Freedom) and others. Demonstrations are being planned at Halliburton offices in Houston, Texas, and other sites in the U.S., the U.K. and Australia.
[Link: www.unitedforpeace.org...]

Managers, worldwide, should review their Crisis Management Plans andreacquaint themselves with the incident command structure. Contact with your local police agency is advised to ensure lines of communication.

Based upon our previous protest experience, we anticipate that the organized efforts will be very vocal but nonviolent. You should anticipate that local television media will be alerted to proposed
demonstration activity.

While we do not anticipate any problems, here are some suggestions should you encounter demonstrators at your facility:
-- Notify local law enforcement if demonstrations are planned or taking place.
-- Do not engage the demonstrators in discussion.
-- Ensure that you are wearing your issued Company identification while at your facility, but remove that identification before departing.
-- Notify your facility security of suspicious individuals in the building who are not wearing required identification.
-- If demonstrators are located at parking area exits, roll up your vehicle windows, lock your vehicle doors and drive slowly and cautiously.
-- If your access/egress to buildings or parking areas is blocked, don't force entry or confront demonstrators. Notify your supervisor and return or exit later.

Variations on a name:

Chump Gnomesky

Nope Chimpsky

Numb Skully

Fish 'n' Chipsky

#40 Nadine Carroll

[Link: semiskimmed.net...]

Looks like a reporter did ask him about it, and he dodged like mad.

Wealthy Iraquis, especially women, find freedom on the ski slopes:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

124

Unlike Troy Aikman, who, as the only male student in the finals of the 1984 Oklahoma State High School Typing Championships, who went on to defeat all the women, typing at an average rate of 84 WPM on an electric typewriter without making a single mistake, I am not a champion touch typist.

Troy Aikman has since used his superlative typing skills to land a job as the third man in a Fox Sports football commentating crew, where he doesn't talk all that much compared to Collingsworth and Buck.

OT:

Excellent short editorial in Capitalism Magazine by Harry Binswanger:

The Big Lie: Intelligence Failure in Iraq

Summary: Three thousand Americans died in the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the wake of that, the only intelligent question was: which lousy Middle East pesthole-dictatorship are we going to crush first? Not: was or was not the threat from this particular statist sewer "imminent" or only "growing"?

I worked for Halliburton.

Where the SU/FTP/Telnet password for almost machine was "wireline". It is ok to mention that now, because rumor had it they were going to migrate the logging and perforating software from the AIX platform to a Windows based platform.

Sure, having the same password for almost every machine in logging and perforating wasn't really good security, but if I needed to pull a file off a machine in, say, the Denver sales office at 3 am, I didn't need to wake anybody up, and vice versa.

ATTENTION ALL!!!

Everybody MUST READ THIS

Mohammeds Believe it or ELSE

[Link: davidsonpress.com...]

It is hilarious.

AND is still ONLINE.

A transcript about the security fence from ABC (the Australian one). Al Aqsa is now claiming--and the reporter is now reporting--that the mass murder on the Jerusalem bus was partly in response to the construction of the fence. To which any sentient creature would respond: fence, shmence, they don't need an excuse to kill Jews.

[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

Noam Chomskey is a liar and a lunatic

I say he's the LORD!

honestly, he really ought to be examined.

Check the hands and feet, first.

#25 Connecticut Yankee
Great! Thanks for posting that article...

What a Neo Nazi Jew he is ? Protection of Israeli Jews from random mass murder is an immoral unconscionable utterly condemnable piece of aggression!!
Since I got rebuked by Zulubaby for the 4 lettered LGF salute ( she said that she was distressed at the increase in frequency of the salute among regular posters- I respect her observation & will not use it now ) .

I really think he deserves it. Intellectually sophisticated Judenhass is what he is spouting.

OT

50 Marines being deployed to reinforce U.S. Embassy in Haiti.

139

I'm glad Bill Clinton solved Haiti's problem.

Noam Chimpsky deserves a collective GAZE. He's been a self-hating Jew his whole life, and a two-bit faux academic with second rate ideas whose morality lobe of his brain is disfunctional.

Who cares what he says? People like him are thrilled that people like us get upset at him and his pompous poopy-pants prose. His fans will continue to say that every fart he makes, every anti-Jewish remark is brilliant and that he's such a sensible little Jew-boy.

IMHO, the best thing we can do is relax and mentally collectively GAZE at him.

@15

It looks like Chomsky is quoting Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling with this statement

helping turn Palestinian communities into dungeons, next to which the bantustans of South Africa look like symbols of freedom, sovereignty and self-determination.

though he doesent use quotes. Is this true?

#67 wordwarp

Great Link! Thanks! All Anti-Noam Chomsky should be made into pamphlets and spread far and wide.

What a lunatic -
The moonbats have their religion and Chomsky is their
guru.

The stupifying absurdity of this all is what gets me. Noam Chomsky is a professor of linguistics at MIT. Chomsky is neither an expert on international law nor foreign policy. Yet he's writing as an authority on both in one of America's most prestigious newspapers, The New York Times. That fact alone makes me scratch my head in disbelief.

#140 Ed Moran

Like most problems plaguing the U.S. today (terrorists, the economy) Haiti is another problem Clinton "handled" by putting off a real solution, made some paltry gestures without accomplishing anything, and letting someone else clean up the mess later.

Sorry, I'd be more eloquent except I'm tired and have a cold.

#144 Dirk Diggler

...and he's not even a cunning linguist.

#110: Miss Trixie the Five-Pound Yorkie aka Leftylass

Done, thanks for the link.

Btw, check this crap, uttered by Manfred Kropp, participating in the Beirut conference sponsored by the German Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung, giving a stage to mass murderers:

There are people for whom dialogue with certain partners is a problem, and there are people for whom dialogue at all is a problem. The intention, perhaps the necessity to say words about these two categories will give me the opportunity to speak about the concept of this conference and its history - yes, it has a history already now - as far as its planning and practical organization is concerned.

It is this lesson Europe had to learn during several centuries of atrocious wars and violence: (that) you cannot coexist peacefully with your neighbor by trying time and again (in vain) to convince him of your truth. On the contrary, only the insight, regardless whether it is born out of wisdom or resignation, that our common ground is rather small, much smaller than was previously assumed, will lead to peaceful coexistence. This ground that we share lies in the simple fact that we are all human beings with our dignity and necessities of life. Then come our intellectual capacities, and then, last but not least our sentiments, affects, dreams and aspirations, in short our "pursuit of happiness".

Once this truth is accepted, you have to find common rules, which enable you to live side by side. Such rules cannot be derived simply and directly from the ever distant and different faiths and beliefs, not even if they are absolute truth. These rules have to be found and then constantly refined and redefined for every time, every space, every people and peoples; and they are for a large part pragmatic, conventional, born from experience - the special part of natural rules or right left out here because of the lack of time.

I wonder which planet this moron is living on. Absolutely shocking.

Hahaha. This is the same NY Times that published this rocker of a statement regarding Chomsky's work.

Arguably the most important intellectual alive, how can he write such nonsense about international affairs and foreign policy?

The text in bold also appears on the back cover of Chomsky's latest book, but it truncates the most important supplemental text.

I guess that the NY Times does ask these questions about who writes nonsense and then proposes they write an Op/Ed for them. That is how they got Krugman is it not?

New York Times Hits New Low

and, having hit bedrock, calls for dynamite and a backhoe

There are really only two sections of the Sunday
New York Times worth reading.

Sports and Style.

The NYT has, arguably, the best sports writing
staff in the business. Their pre-game Super
Bowl analysis, for instance, made viewing
the game much more enjoyable. And the
Gardening writer in that section is first-rate
too.

The Style section always has interesting
looks at what the gliterati are wearing. Also
the Vows report, on a selected wedding
reception and the couple getting married,
is superb.

The rest of the paper is useful in lining the
bird cage and wrapping used coffee grounds.

It would be interesting to see an analysis of the core readership of The New York Times...that is, those who read it not just for the sports/business/style sections, but who actually identify strongly with the worldview that it expounds. Who *are* these people? What do they do for a living? How many of them have inherited wealth? How successful are they in their personal lives? What makes them the way they are?

. Chomsky is neither an expert on international law nor foreign policy. Yet he's writing as an authority on both in one of America's most prestigious newspapers,

Well, so do Dowd and Friedman. And they are authourities on . . .what exactly?

All the world's a stage and all that. Too bad the NYTIMES chooses such crappy actors.

OT, but the most welcome news in a long time:

Fewer Arabs immigrate to US

Thank God!

OT: Some One in Saudi Arabia gets a CLUE injection

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

ICJ live videostream

Next will be Fidel Castro, hired as an op-ed columnist as an expert in Constitutional Doctrine and Human Rights.

And I do not mean it as a joke.
The regressives are creating a terrible world, where bloody killers are called freedom fighters and idiots are teachers at the MIT. And peacenicks are running for President during a world war.

The left has changed its plans, from brainwashing people one by one in the gulags to brainwashing whole nations and the whole world using the medias and the universities that it has conquered with perfect military maneuvering from the Sixties on.

Our open society allows these subversives to "teach" and their "thank you" is...trying to destroy the system that has always protected them.

Qureia: barriers will breed discontent, not security.

Jeez, I hope the Israelis are mindful of this. If the palis get too discontented, they may start murdering people.

Not only is Qureia an asswipe, he's Arafat's asswipe.

#13

The main thrust of what Chomski is saying is that the conflict could have been solved a while back, if Israel hadn't chosen expansionism over a two state solution.

There might be some truth to that; perhaps an acceptable two-state solution wouldn't have been so hard to negotiate around 1990 or so. But that was before Arafat came back and Palestinian society became caught in the grips of suicide-fanaticism. For Israel to cave in now, with rejectionists firmly in control of the PA and the Islamist groups having considerable influence, would be purely self-destructive.

There are some parallels here with Chechnya. What started out as a nationalist movement fighting the Russian military has been hijacked by Islamist fanatics who have no qualms killing large numbers of civillians. The fact that Russia made some mistakes in the past doesn't mean that they should cave into the jihadis now.

And it goes without saying that Israel faces an existential threat that the Russians don't, and that they haven't behaved half as badly towards the Palestinians as the Russians have towards the Chechnyans.

Gosh, do you think Chomsky wants to dismatle the fence or Israel itself? So hard to tell from his track record.

After criticizing everything Israel has done since he was able to flap his gums, Chomsky has the credibility to write on this issue...why?

OT - Some more 'art'. This time in Norway.
Conflict erupts over 'anti-Semitic' art

Reddy countered that it's "alarming" the ambassador "is using the fascists' own tool: censorship." He claims his art challenged the most important source of conflict in the world, nationalism, adding that "totalitarian and exteme regimes can't tolerate criticism."

Reddy, who has been in the same artist circles around Princess Martha Louise's husband Ari Behn, hails from Tromsoe in northern Norway and was educated at the State Art Academy in Oslo. He has called himself a "political artist," whose work was once described in newspaper Dagsavisen as a cross between "cartooning, graffiti and Picasso."

Question - If I wear all black, look scruffy, read Marx and Chomsky, and then proceed to take a sh*t on posterboard and smear it around. Is it art? Apparently so.

@117 Ed Moran, quark2's back yard weather wizard:

Thanx alot bud. I've got to drive in that mess this morning.
Taking M to the VA hospital for more therapy. So what can you bless me on the morrow morning? As I will be driving him again in the early a.m. for another physical? I need blessed clear weather and empty highway to make a speedy and safe trip!

Fox new reporting we killed Zarqawi (sp?)) - the bomb maker in Iraq who wrote the 17-page memo to AQ begging for help.

Toes up sucker.

OT: and from the Peoples Republic of California...Hate America Poetry Class

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

#115 jim

In the last 60 years, how many Jewish suicide bombers have exploded themselves in coffeeshops, pizzerias, and buses in . . . Germany?

None. Though Germans seemed to have detonated a few bombs in Germany in the 60s& 70s, but hey, they were targeting American GIs and german industry leaders. Schroeder and Fischer would surely be against this sort of thing... at least today.

Baader-Meinhof.com

I sense a lot of hatred here. Where is the love?

@147 hans ze beeman

Defined and redefined every breathing moment of the day and the night? *LOL!
What he is basically saying the goal posts are in a state of permnent moving. Which means there are NO rules!

Whadda maroon! :)

#163 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Thanks for the link, it was a great read.

#158 - Bob

perhaps an acceptable two-state solution wouldn't have been so hard to negotiate around 1990 or so.

Not true.
Israel negotiated with a non PLO affliated team of palestinians in Madrid after GW-1, when Saddam, their chosen ally, was hurting bad.
Even then Arafat controlled these talks by remote control,
and no palestinian in his right mind would make any suggestion to Israel without demanding the return of Arafat.
That is the reason cited by Israeli leftists today for bringing back Arafat & the gang from their Tunisian exile.

I don't have the time to debate it further, but IMO before the settlement movement grew strong the palestinians didn't even start to realise that as time goes by, they are losing and not winning. Some still have the fantasy to this very day that Israel will be toppled from the inside by making it stay in the territories.
The fence is also an important factor in making them realize that today, they can get the post '67 borders at most.
In addition, you also chose to ignore the palestinian problem in Lebanon. The millions there are refugees from '48, not '67. Even today no palestinian would say in Arabic that the "right of return" can be given up.

#162,

Great news, if it pans out... (still looking for it on the web.)

Too bad he didn't get to win a free vacation in Cuba.

OT:

Any NYC LGFers planning on going to the
Latest Palestinian Hatefest at Pace University?

#162 -grayp

Fox new reporting we killed Zarqawi

Abu-Musaab-Al-Zarqawi?

This is no bomb maker, he's an Al-Qa'ida big brain and their expert on Chemical warfare!

#155 Outsider

The Fraudi representative speaking at the ICJ just asserted that the "Saudi-sponsored" roadmap calls for Israel to withdraw from "all Arab-occupied land and East Jerusalem" and "allow for the return of all Palestinian refugees".

Why is this band of 7th century pirates still operating as a nation?

Re Joschka Fischer and German Marxist terror groups of the 1970s

Joschka Fischer, who testified as a character witness at Klein's trial in 2001, refuted as "grotesque" the allegation that the arms used in the OPEC attack had been kept in the apartment he shared with Hans Joachim Klein and Daniel Cohn-Bendit (currently a member of the European Parliament).

It may never be possible to prove "beyond the shadow of a doubt" Joschka Fischer's connection with the Soviet KGB, but I do know that the KGB — and my DIE — was financing West Germany's anti-American terrorist movements in the 1970s, while I was still in Romania. Fischer's evidently ingrained anti-Americanism is now spreading throughout the German government, and beyond

General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc.

Lundi Gras Tornado Disaster!!!

#174 Ed Moran,

Looks like I got out of there just in time.

Chomsky uses the word "wall" about 8 times, by my count, apart from the NYT headline. The word "fence" is used zero times -- not at all. But the fact is that over 90% of the barrier is chain link fence. Only a relatively small fraction of it is concrete wall. The concrete wall is used to prevent snipers from attacking people driving on a nearby highway. His purpose is to mislead readers into thinking of the barrier as a wall rather than a fence.

Chomsky pretends that final agreed boundaries already exist -- the Green Line. But that is the 1949 Armistice Line, which reflects only the position of the contending armies in 1949, not in 1967. The Armistice Agreement makes it clear that the lines drawn are not final lines. Judea and Samaria is disputed territory. And Jews had every right to settle there, just as Arabs had every right to settle there, and the Arabs did settle there.

The situation today is that people's lives are endangered, and they need protection. That is what the fence does, it provides a measure of protection against terrorists. Since there is no final agreed boundary, Israel cannot build the fence along the final agreed boundary. So it does the next best thing, which is to protect the lives of the intended targets of terrorism, while at the same time seeking to reduce any unnecessary inconvenience to the Palis.

Chomsky goes on an on about how this fence is such an inconvenience to the Palis. But being blown apart by a terrorist is more than an inconvenience -- it is life-ending. Chomsky does not attempt to compare the inconvenience of a fence, to the life-ending gravity of not having a fence. Instead he focuses only on the inconvenience to the Palis, so that no comparison is possible in his article. If he wanted to be fair and if he wanted to be logical, he would say: this is the consequence of the fence; and this is the consequence of not having the fence; let us compare. But he does not do that because if anybody had to compare a delay by having to go through a gate in a fence, with the prospect of being blown to bits in a splodeydope massacre, guess which would be the more serious consequence.

While Chomsky laments the inconvenience to the Palis, and does not compare it with the disaster to the Israelis of not having a fence, he also omits mentioning the fact that the Palis could get rid of the need for the fence by stopping their war of terrorism. Nowhere in his article does he mention the requirement of the road map: "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure".

The purposes of Chomsky's lack of a comparison of fence versus no-fence, and of his failure to mention the role of terrorism in building the fence and the refusal of the Palis to take the road map steps to end the terrorism, become apparent at the end of his piece.

It is misleading to call these Israeli policies. They are American-Israeli policies -- made possible by unremitting United Staes military, economic and diplomatic support of Israel.

Chomsky wants to channel the anti-semitism and anti-Israel hatred onto the US, with its support of Israel being the excuse. And he wants the US to stop its military, economic and diplomatic support of Israel because Israel has the audacity to want to have a civil defense measure to protect its children from the Islamikazi death cult terrorists.

#173 Ed Moran

Thanks for the follow through. I was being sarcastic, but forgot the tags. Mia culpa.

#162 Grayp - They got him. I'm sponsoring a soldier who's a scout. He e-mailed me a couple of days ago to tell me that they had found out where he lives and that they were going after him.

Potiers-Lepanto:

The left has changed its plans, from brainwashing people one by one in the gulags to brainwashing whole nations and the whole world using the medias and the universities that it has conquered with perfect military maneuvering from the Sixties on.

It's something I was never able to get Repubs interested in my entire adult life. I guess anything "cultural" simply doesn't matter to the Right--their response was, what harm can the media and schools do, even in tandem? If you don't like it, withdraw from the fray.

That response has gotten us into the fix we now face.

The Left chose well when they selected mass media and the education system--they're perfect propaganda mechanisms because they do their work slowly, every day, and without letup: drip, drip, drip.

The Repubs still haven't woken up to the damage they've done by ceding control of both to the Left. The result will be another a civil war for control of our social institutions.

to 171 and 162-- I can't find mention of this guy (Al Zarqiwi(sp?))on the Fox website, nor is it on the zipper. Headline is "Marines to Haiti" on the website. The cable program is on the all-important Scott Peterson case//

OT - But after reading the Dumbies threads I couldn't resist linking to this Al Ghardeen thread...

Bush made Pakistan go nuclear apparently

{title is mine}

New Orleans WSR-88D Doppler Radar!

Tornadoes in St. Charles and LaFourche parishes. Note: Just a skinny strip of Jefferson parish separates New Orleans from St. Charles parish.

Wait, tornado warnings for LaFourche, Terrebonne and St. Charles parishes have been cancelled, but severe storm moving from St. Charles into Jefferson parish has a history of large hail and funnel clouds.

Chomsky has become a figurehead of anti-Israeli thought. He is also inti-US. How can he be Anti-US? He should go and live in Iran, or go and spend some time in the PA territory, where because he is a jew, he will find survival very hard. Then, let's have him write some articles after that. Maybe he will be a bit more realisitc in his writngs then.

#166 quark2

I tried the email again. This time from work, so maybe it got through.

And of course it's Monday, so

New Doggie Album !!

I"m outta here until later today.

I've checked Fox News a couple of times and Debka.com
haven't found anything on Abu-Musaab-Al-Zarqawi.

Hopefully this will be my reward on my return home today from the trip to the VA. :) I'm hoping on it!

#178,

He e-mailed me a couple of days ago to tell me that they had found out where he lives and that they were going after him.

He better not have...

#186 Dar ul Harb - Please. He was vague and I had no idea who he was talking about until Fox broke the story.

still nothing on Fox's website. The alert aired about 30 minutes ago. It also stated that 3 days ago we found his safe house in Fallujah and took out a buddy or two.

But yeah, I think we can say this panned out. They were referring to military sources in it as a confirmed kill, not as a 'we think this dead guy might be..."

I opened the NYT op/ed pages this morning, saw Chomsky's byline and spewed coffee all over the beagle (she is currently not speaking to me, cookie bribes not working either, sigh, she can be such a little bitch).

I didn't even bother to read the piece, but I was frigging livid. The NYT continues to insult me. Do they honestly believe I don't know who Chomsky is, or worse, what he is? I cannot WAIT to see the responses they print, either in the letters page (all fawning, no doubt), or in the opinion page itself as rebutal. You'd think they would have the intellectual integrity to fact check this crap, but then again, this is the low-life crowed that wanted Larry Eagleburger to write an opinion piece as long as it was anti-Bush. He refused and went public, but those cowards never answered for it.

If my husband wasn't such a rabid Yankees fan I'd cancel the subscription. As it is, I just use it when I need to put papers down for puppy pee.

#129 Cameo

From your link it appears (from memory) that there is some similarity in the manner chumpsky uses to defend himself and that of arafat. Obfuscation. ( sorry don't have any links to comments by arafat)

f@184 RWC

Thanx. I'll check my mail when I get back home from hospital.

Keep the fire to Ed the weather wizards feet so that I have an uncomplicated trip. :)

Please. He was vague and I had no idea who he was talking about until Fox broke the story.

Glad you took the opportunity to clarify... it's just that we've had incidents like this before on LGF.

No offense intended.

#175 RIP Ford

OT: I had dinner with an old colleague who was in town this weekend. We met up and had some pints and caught up on old times. However toward the end of the evening we ventured into geo-politics and I'll quote just a few:

"America is controlled by the Jews."
"How many people really died on 9-11."
"Whats the big deal with 3000 dead, we lost x20 more in the Dresden bombing."

This is coming from a 30 year old, educated, middle-class german. I did refute this the best I could, but I despair what the future holds.

#173 Ed Moran

I can't wait for his new book.

it's getting worse...will it ever get better?

#192 Dar ul Harb - I understand. You're right; after re-reading my initial post, I see why one would jump to conclusions.

Michael Ledeen: The Great Iranian Election Fiasco - What actually happened; what we must do.

#160 Right Wing Conspirator
Art? No. Brainless letist agitprop, Yes. It shows just how mentally, morally and ultimately artisitically impoverished the left is. After all, it was the freaking Arabs/Muslims who collaborated with the Nazis and still use their propoganda and rejoice in jew hatered. But those facts are just inconvenient!

#192 Buckeye Abroad

OT response/
I used to have similar experiences while working in London. If you think your experience was bad, you should try telling people you are a Texan and hear the responses. One bloke told me on arrival in England, that there are 2 types of Americans abroad in Europe. Those that mull around sheepishly and those that get into arguments/fights. Too true. {sigh} I no longer have any interest in returning to Europe. It's sad, really. I used to really love it there.

#179 Gary Bruce

I agree. And I share your frustration.

The problem is that only the neo-conservatives, and only today, take care of reading and studying what the left says: just a look to the works of a communist like Gramsci would have told us everything we needed to know: he explains the general strategy and tactics of what he called the "position (that is: trench) war" as opposed to the "movement war" and he explains how they must win positions in the whole structure of the modern society.
It's a war from inside out, as opposed to the old classic revolution that attacks the state from "outside".
It will take an awful lot of time before we can make this tide turn.
I think we should hope and work for new medias and even for new schools, free from the control of the leftist army.
Internet is a big thing they did not see coming and it's destroying them. The radio is important too.
But we need to care of education, at every level.
The miserable ignorant trolls who afflict great blogs like this show what level of stupidity the schools produce today: people unaware of history, philosophy, unable to criticize a source, unable to think by themselves...

#176 EE

From your terrific post:

Nowhere in his article does he mention the requirement of the road map: "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure".

That seems to be standard in the press. No mention is made of the road map after a terrorist strike, but any Israeli manuevers are "endagering the US backed Road Map."

'It is misleading to call these Israeli policies. They are American-Israeli policies -- made possible by unremitting United Staes military, economic and diplomatic support of Israel.'

I say, damn straight! Let's keep it up!

#178 David Simon

You're sponsoring a soldier? How do you do that? I want to sponsor a soldier too.

I wish Michael Ledeen were right. His credibility suffers by the untrue claim that the Kerry campaign sent an e-mail to the Teheran Times promising to improve relations with Iran after the election. At least the campaign denies this, and I find the denial believable. Apparently it was a general e-mail to overseas United States citizen voters which was recast to make it appear as a communication to the mullahs. But I sure hope he's right about the turnout-- he lists no sources.

Here is zarqiwi dead on Fox-- Geraldo talking. Apparently, a g.i. was handing out pamphlets and zarqiwi shot him in the face, who shot and killed the terrorist as he fell to the ground. Now he's saying it is zarqiwi's bomb-maker, not zarqiwi himself.

Chomsky rolls out his usual accusation of a hidden agenda in his first sentence. No point in reading further, since he invalidated himself from the start.

198 RIP Ford

I spent a week in Ireland last November. I had a great time & plan on going back this year. The only person who brought up politics (and it was fairly obvious we were Americans) explained to me how we invaded Iraq because we want control of the Tigris & Euphrates. It seems that whoever controls their water controls the Middle East. I didn't say a word but must have given a suitable look because he looked offended and walked away.

#192 Buckeye Abroad

The next time a German tells you America is controlled by the Jews, tell him it's too fucking bad they wiped the Jews out, Germany could have been just as successful by now as the U.S.

Then punch him the face.

Heavan help us, it's Geraldo reporting on the Zarqawi story!

fox website on iranian turnout from AP

These numbers are several times Michael Ledeens.

#201 grayp - You won't regret it. There are several organizations that you can donate to. Here's the one I use: [Link: www.operationac.com...] Click on the Adopt-a-Soldier program. They'll send you the name of a soldier who you can write and send packages to.

I'm on soldier #2. My first one got home safe and sound a couple of weeks ago, thank G-d.

Heavan help us, it's Geraldo reporting on the Zarqawi story!

Oh no!

#204 JeffF

I was always amazed by the unsolicited comments I received. I usually just shrugged it off, but after many months, it becomes frustrating and infuriating. I got into a physical fight in Soho for the first time in my entire life with this irrational wanker. I bet the imprint of my college ring is still inprinted on his ugly mug... LOL

Is that part of his Tour of Terror?

#198 RIP Ford

I can relate.

I was at a dinner party Friday night and at some point I was asked at the table who will win the US election in November (all eyes on me).

I replied, "Bush."
Another guest, "You mean Kerry."
"Did I stutter?"
"Are you from Texas?" Laughter, change subject.

You are not missing out on anything this side of the pond.

#212 Buckeye Abroad

You are not missing out on anything this side of the pond.

I finally realized that. Good luck.

208 David Simon - THANK YOU! Signed up and waiting for my soldier!

It is interesting that hardly any comments in this thread have actually addressed the main point of the article. The objection is not to the building of a wall, but to its location. A wall along the Green Line would be sufficient to protect Israel - it would arguably be more effective, since no West Bank Palestinians would then be living on the Israeli side of the wall.

So why isn't the wall being built along the Green Line? It is hard to avoid the conclusion that this is not simply a precursor to annexation of West Bank territory.

And it's amusing how many people here do not seem to realize the difference between an op-ed contributor and a regular columnist.

Chomsky is a bombastic, oleaginous commie asshole.

I feel like I need a bath.

#205 grayp

It was not easy to sit there and listen to that tripe, trust me, but he is just one of many. Better to calmly pick apart their acqusations with facts and keep it civil. The uncivil disscussions are the ones I walk away from.

#215 Tyrone

It is interesting that hardly any comments in this thread have actually addressed the main point of the article.

It's an old issue that has been discussed here in length. You should check the archives, before insulting us.

And it's amusing how many people here do not seem to realize the difference between an op-ed contributor and a regular columnist.

That difference is irrelevant

Buckeye Abroad (#217),

The uncivil disscussions are the ones I walk away from.

Unless its about the Ohio State Buckeyes, right? ;-)

#215 Tyrone:

The Green Line is not a border. It's where Israel was required (by her allies) to stop kicking Arab ass in 1948.

Nor is the Green Line mandated as a future border in ANY agreement, UN resolution or other such irrelavant (to Israel's security) document. Now before you get yourself embarrassed here, you'd do well to look up the relavant sources and educate yourself about the supposed "illegality" of Israel's presence east of the Green Line.

It is interesting that hardly any comments in this thread have actually addressed the main point of the article.

Why is it necessary to address Chomsky's points? Next thing you know, talking about David Irvin will require addressing his "findings."

#215 Tyrone

So why isn't the wall being built along the Green Line? It is hard to avoid the conclusion that this is not simply a precursor to annexation of West Bank territory.

Wrong.

It is being built where it is because it follows the geography of the land better, takes in to account the location of major terrorist centres of operation and protects Israeli settlements.

#219 Geepers

Damn it man, don't call me out like that ;)

OSU football is war, not sport and if you don't agree go to an OSU vs Mich game.

Only ___ until the big game...

#217 Buckeye Abroad

The uncivil disscussions are the ones I walk away from.

Who said anything about a discussion? I said to punch him in the face. You can still walk away after he's face down in his own blood.

And if anyone here thinks Buckeye football is not deadly serious, I'm here to tell you differently. I used to work for a company headquartered in Columbus. No meetings on Fridays before a game. And don't even THINK about planning something so trivial like a wedding on a game day.

Those Bukeye football people are certifiable.

But I was a Nittany Lion person back in the days of our deepest rivalries. I still hate that coach, Woody what's-his-name. Too bad about Paterno these days.

Nor is the Green Line mandated as a future border in ANY agreement, UN resolution or other such irrelavant (to Israel's security) document. Now before you get yourself embarrassed here, you'd do well to look up the relavant sources and educate yourself about the supposed "illegality" of Israel's presence east of the Green Line.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 1948 Green Line the line of demarcation between the government of Israel and kingdom of Transjordan. What legal basis would the Palestinians have to claim it as a border?

That's it, now I'm not even going to get my New York Giants stories from that stink rag!

#226 Dirk:

Jordan invaded and illegally occupied the West Bank in 1948. In 1950, Jordan illegally annexed (recognized only by Britain and Pakistan) the West Bank. The territory was originally mandated for an independent Arab state, but Jordan stole the land.

Oh I DO hope Alan Derschowitz writes a rebuttal!!!

Alan and Noam went to the same hebrew school together. Alan has been a "difficult" liberal at times (but bless him for it) defender of civil rights (he's pro 2nd amendment btw), while Chomsky has spent his career at war with reality itself.

Alan's recent book "The Case for Israel" practically calls Chomsky out as a willful fraud and liar.

The two are blood enemies in Massachusetts with Noam running away evertime Alan calls him out to debate.

#226 Dirk:

By the way, THIS is what territory Israel had (and was prepared to settle for) before the Arabs invaded in 1948.

Poor Noam Chomsky - the payments on his Audi are probably quite steep.

Can't you meanies see how difficult it is to be a pseudointellectual pop icon?

/sarcasm

#215 Tyrone

It is interesting that hardly any comments in this thread have actually addressed the main point of the article. The objection is not to the building of a wall, but to its location.

Well, here is your discussion. Where are you?

The territory was originally mandated for an independent Arab state, but Jordan stole the land.

But the Palestinians rejected the partition proposal (1939 British White Paper), IIRC. The proposed boundaries of that state were in any event radically different than the Green Line. My question stands: What is the legal basis for Palestinian claims to the Green Line?

#233 Dirk:

Palestinians? In 1933? (Actually, I know what you're saying here, just couldn't resist the oppo for a little zetz ;-)

But as to your question, IMO there is no legal basis for the claim - just a hodge-podge of poorly reasoned interpretations of things like UN 242.

The actual basis for the claim, as I have no doubt you well know, is Judenhaas and cultural psychopathy.

I'm a Shiksa, not a Jew...Someone, PLEASE explain to me how Chomsky can can sell out his own people as he does?

I just dont understand it, nor do I understand the owners of the NY Times anti-semitism.

Hey, I love the almighty $$ like anyone else, but there comes a point where morally you do NOT sell out your own people!

;-(

235 Shelagh Delves-Broughton AKA ShiksaGrrrl In T.O

he is a crackpot

nuts

233 Dirk Diggler

The Palestinians rejected the 1947 UN partition plan (along with all other Arab states), not the white paper.

They don't call him America's Dumbest Intellectual for nothing.

#109 - Colt -

No, he was not that fat. And, a name like "David" I would have remembered. It was a sneaky looking guy.

Why would I even want to pay to subscribe to this establishment when it has individuals like this one who has no expertise in the field voicing inaccuate information and trying to come off sounding like an expert? What is his credentials? Isnt he a Doctor in Linguistics? How does this educational background give him the ability to voice his "opinion" as if he is an expert. I have a Masters Degree in Business and am working on my second Masters Degree in education, and I guess that if I get a Doctorate in basketweaving, I should be able to publish my views on why the United States should incorporate Mexico as a means of solving the immigration problem in the SouthWest. No, sorry, I will not spend my money on this type of drivel.

Robert Woolwine

I couldn't help but post this comment on the NY Times forum:

I am left at a total loss by this column published after Palestinians (once again) murder a bus full of children and Official Palestinian radio has been referring to the suicide bomber who attacked a bus full of children yesterday as a shahid and the Voice of Palestine honors rather than condemns bus Bomber.
Only one thing worse than that, Noam Chomsky himself, and the NY Times joins him in the sewage of humanity category unless it publishes a crystal clear apology. One day islamic militants like the Palestinians or Al-Qaeda will put a gun to your heads (or your loved ones) and pull the trigger on you because although they find you useful, they hate you a lot more. If you think you are safe because you are on their side, you have blinders to the world in front of your eyes.

so this does this mean I need to hold the pineapple and just add green peppers?

I haven't read the latest claptrap from Mr. Chomsky but I've seen enough of him on C-span to last a lifetime.
Ya think he's bad?
Check out James Goldsborough of the San Diego Union sometime, I guarantee he'll get your blood boiling.
One of his recent screeds compares the Berlin Wall to the one the Israeli's are building.
Say wha!?
How's that for moral confusion?

Found!

Chomsky's First Draft

Chomsky must die.

#245 gawdamman:

As long as nobody blows up his car. That's a nice car!

A fate I wish for chomsky --

February 22, 2004
Hamas military commander killed in Khan Yunis

A commander of the Hamas military wing in Khan Yunis early Sunday was killed during a "Jihadi mission," the resistance movement reported. Another activist was moderately wounded, it added.

Abd A Salam Abu Mussa, 35, was killed as he tried to launch mortars towards Israeli settlements and military camps in the Gaza Strip. The first round he tried to fire, exploded in his hands and he was killed on the spot, Palestinian sources reported.

In September 2003, some 15 Palestinians were wounded after at least three Israeli missiles struck the home of Abu Musa. But he escaped from the house minutes before the missiles struck. (Albawaba.com)

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Odd how Chomsky doesn't notice that this wall is only used as a weapon metaphorically--whereas under Sharia law, walls are literally weapons, dropped on transgressors. It's this leftist blindness to the difference between words and reality.

Mardukhai (#247)

Fantastic! Best news I've heard all day.

#215 Tyrone
Ideally, the fence should be routed along the lines of the final agreed boundary between Israel and whatever entity emerges as its neighbor. But that final agreed boundary has not yet been negotiated.

In the meantime, it would be reckless of Israel to hold off on building the fence.

Your suggestion that the fence should be along the Green Line assumes that this line, which represents the positions of armies at the end of the 1948-49 war, will be the final agreed boundaries. But how do you know this? I doubt it very much, since there is no way that Israelis are going to give up Maaleh Adumin (to the east of Jerusalem), and communities that existed prior to the 1948-49 war like Gush Etzion communities, nor some other communities that are part of the Israeli consensus.

Since the final agreed boundary is unknown, Israel is doing the next best thing by routing the fence so as to protect likely victims of terrorism, but also keep the inconvenience to Palis low.

Besides, why do you assume that the route of the fence is unchangeable? If and when the final agreed border is established, the fence can be moved. But a life lost cannot be restored.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong... But Mr Chomsky, isn't he Jewish?

There you have it in a nutshell: the worst ennemies of the Jews are Jews. Sure, muslims want to kill the Jews, all the Jews. But there are plenty of Jews who are willing to go along and jump on every lefty bandwagon passing by, even if it's going to the slaughterhouse. And many of them are American Jews who live comfortably here while sucking arab dick and selling out America at every chance. And many more of the Jews ennemies are Israeli Jews living in Israel. The place is a lefty commie heaven. Check it out...

But although the "antisemite" epitheth is much bandied about by Jewish groups, you'll never hear anybody say "hey, we can't call that person an antisemite because he/she's Jewish; but what he/she's doing or saying is vile and traitorous."

#251
I would leave Chomsky's motives to the psychologists who study such things.
You know, during the Holocaust there were Jewish kapos, who aided the Nazis by acting as police over the Jews. I would have the psychologists also give their explanation of the motivations of the kapos.
I am no expert on these matters of sick minds, but I think that Chomsky's motives and the motives of the kapos may possibly have some things in common.

Another thing that needs to be explained is the Stockholm syndrome, where people are attracted to their foes.

The common expression for people like Chomsky is "self-hating Jews". Whatever. Chomsky is an enemy, of that I am sure, no matter how his sick mind functions.

One thing that Chomsky gets out of all of his attacks against the survival of the Jewish state is that he is a hero to the radical left, the death-to-Israel crowd. And he probably likes that role very much.

[Link: www.wisoveg.de...]

The wall should be built on huge treads like the german thing above ( and what the F? is that for?).

Whenever the arabs kill a jew the wall should automatically move 100 yards east, crushing everything in its path.

#196 Colt - Great post, great article.
Michael Ledeen: The Great Iranian Election Fiasco - What actually happened; what we must do.

And many of them are American Jews who live comfortably here while sucking arab dick and selling out America at every chance.

Care to explain that? Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

I hate to come to the defense of teh NYT, but apparently the "most important intellectual alive" quote is a Dowdification by Chumpsky himself. As Oliver Kamm points out in one of his priceless fiskings of Noam Chomsky:

Chomsky at least appears to be aware of the vulnerability of his reputation even among his admirers. Take a closer look at the link to the Amazon page for Chomsky's new book. The dust jacket bears the legend, which one can't be around a Chomsky fan for long without hearing:

"Arguably the most important intellectual alive" - The New York Times

This very old quotation from the newspaper of record [FB: no scare quotes in original] is in fact truncated. The full quotation reads as follows:

Arguably the most important intellectual alive, how can he write such nonsense about international affairs and foreign policy?

I've added the emphasis, because I think you will agree that the elision of the italicised passage does subtly change the meaning of the sentence. I know the full quotation because Chomsky reproduces it [...] in a now out-of-print book from the early 1990s, Terrorizing the Neighbourhood: American Foreign Policy in the Post-cold War Era.

Let me say this straight. Chomsky has allowed a shortened quotation to grace his latest tome on international affairs and foreign policy that in context says the opposite of the message he wishes the reader to infer.

And thus spake the South Park Rabbi:

Next time you wonder why the following section was added to the Eighteen Benedictions which observant Jews recite three times a day, think of Noam Chomsky and his ilk. [My literal translation]

12. And for slanderers may there be no hope; and may all wickedness perish in an instant. And may all Thy enemies be cut off speedily. Mayest Thou speedily uproot, crush, break, and subjugate the wanton sinners, speedily and in our days. Blessed art Thou G-D, who breaks enemies and subjugates wanton sinners.

Ula-malshinim lo tihye tiqva. Amen.

#252: in the Brussels area during WW II there was a Jew nicknamed "Jacques" [French equivalent of James or Jacob/Ya'aqov] who acted as a wholesale informer for the Gestapo. He received pittances for his efforts (aside from their leaving him alone: he had no ): money cannot have been the motive. After the Liberation, he was sentenced to death for treason by a Belgian denazification court and executed.

There is the 1949 line that denotes the armistice line between the contending armies, and there is the 1967 line that denotes the cease fire line between the contending armies. Neither of these corresponds to the final agreed boundaries between Israel and whatever entity is to be its neighbor.

There are Jewish communities that exist between these lines. Many of these communities are long standing communities that have people who were born and raised and living in the communities in which they were born.

Not all of the communities should be considered identical in importance, or have the same history, or have the same significance re defense, or have the same age, or have the same significance relative to the history of the Jewish people, or have the same numbers of people living in them, etc. They are different, and need to be considered individually.

Some of the possibilities are:
include some of these communities within Israel;
include the territory of some of these communities within an Arab state and let the people continue to live there, just as Arabs are now living in Israel;
include the territory of some of these communites within an Arab state and evacuate the Jews because their lives would be endangered.

In this age where the Islamikazi death cult movement's terrorists are waging a genocidal war against the Jews of that region, and an anti-terrorist fence can protect them, here are some possibilities concerning what can be done at this time, regarding the Jewish communities between the 1949 armistice line and the 1967 cease fire line:
kill them all or expose them all to suicide terrorists, by letting them be fenceless;
exile them all and make their communities Judenrein;
let them be protected by an anti-terrorist fence, and decide later what the fate of their community will be, during the final negotiations.

The fence buys time, and saves lives. Its route can be changed later, but lives lost cannot be restored.

I visit LGF everyday, but I somehow missed this post until now. I must have skipped it by accident as I skimmed through posts - I can barely stand to read every word and examine every picture of a world gone mad. I don't know how Charles puts up with this endless stream of Islamism and idiotarianism.

Even though I am one of Chomsky's harshest critics, I found his op-ed underwhelming. This line really surprised me:

"Few would question Israel's right to protect its citizens from terrorist attacks like the one yesterday, even to build a security wall if that were an appropriate means."

Was he trying to go mainstream, or did the NYT editors neuter the piece before publication?

I'm not a Middle East expert, so I'd rather attack Chomsky in his alleged area of expertise. As a professional linguist, I more or less agree with Ivan Lenin (#49). "More or less" because it's not clear that Chomsky *stole* anything from his predecessors. He repackaged and reinvented old ideas, but that's not the same thing.

Still, he is not much of a linguist. Real linguists deal with languages. He deals with *ideas* about language - his own. As Anne Elk said (#64),

"Chomsky and the others of the Left believe in The Idea. Facts, logic, truth are all unimportant next to this."

That applies to Chomsky the "linguist" as well as Chomsky the world-class in-duh-lectual.

Chomsky has little credibility as a linguist:

The argument against Chomskyanism in a nutshell

How Chomskyan linguistics is obsessed with The Idea rather than reality

How Chomskyan linguistics is obsessed with The Idea rather than reality, part 2

Why should we listen to anything he has to say in any field?

Speaking of Bantustan Dr Chomsky is apparently quoting Powell & Bush.Therfore it is worth reading the followingDefence of Bantustan

I think he makes several good points that are really impossible to refute without going into rhetoric. He's against the direction the wall is going in; a valid point of view that many Israelis themselves hold.

Legal/political/moral/religious arguments aside, it's safe to say they could have picked a less controversial route. I'm pro-wall, but cutting into so-called "Palestinian" territory and cutting some of them amenities and whatnot is just bad PR.

Sorry, there is nothing even remotely Moonbat-like in this article. You'll have to try harder.

shintriad (#261)

I'm pro-wall, but cutting into so-called "Palestinian" territory and cutting some of them amenities and whatnot is just bad PR.

Seems to me whatever Israel does is "bad PR". How's about people take responsibility for their own shitty biases, "anti-Zionism", lack of morals, and plain nastiness. Why is everything always Israel's fault, why is the onus always on Israel to make concessions? Tell me, is the Palestinians' cruelty, their non-stop terrorism, their viciousness not "bad PR" for the Palestinians? Why do they constantly get a free pass for burning Jews alive in busses, for shooting babies while they sleep in their beds, for maiming people emotionally and physically for life? Everybody is so quick to judge Israel, to point a finger, to weigh in what Israel is doing wrong, wrong, wrong. Where's the judgment on the Palestinians' despicable behaviour? They deserve nothing, not one thing, not one consideration for their ongoing campaign of genocide against the Jews of Israel, and you're telling me that cutting into disputed land is bad PR. Toffees to the Palestinians, let them rot.

The Israelis are far too considerate and for that they're rewarded with more dead bodies. You're worried about the Palestinians amenities and I'm worried about lives. The Palestinians have brought their misery upon themselves. If they would stop slaughtering Jews there would be no need for a fence and now we should worry about their amenities? Let Arafat, their leader, worry about how they're getting water. They want self-determination, they want their own state, by all means. That means being independent of Israel. They don't just bite the hand that feeds them, they destroy it, the murder it. I'm tired of hearing about the Palestinians' plight -- they're mass-murderers and you expect the people that they're murdering to be concerned about their welfare. Why, do I sense a double standard?

Sorry, there is nothing even remotely Moonbat-like in this article.

You're as ignorant as Chomsky. I'll tell you exactly what, just for starters, it total moonbattery about this article and I commented on it here, take a look. You can also click on this link for further illustration of why Chomsky is a complete idiot, not to mention a liar.

You'll have to try harder.

Actually, it is you who will have to try harder. Same goes for that scumbag Chomsky.

Some Israeli PR and if you have Chomsky's e-mail address, send it along to him too.

(Hat tip: Tango)

zulubaby:

Regarding everything you've outlined, that's pretty much why I said I'm pro-wall. It's just the direction it takes that concerns me. Its direction is what I would call bad PR.

Yes, I understand there are some tactical and geographical considerations, but let's be realistic: Let's say YOU were asked to design the security fence. Would you take the exact same route they've heretofore blueprinted? Doubt it. You might defend the current route, but I think it could be a lot more accommodating.

Whether or not you believe in the validity of the "Green Line," the current wall is undoubtedly going to cause problems because it reaches so far into Pali pissing grounds. I have a strong feeling they'll be tearing chunks down and withdrawing it in the future, so why they've taken this route now is mind-boggling.

As for PR and such: Yes, the Israelis are held to a higher standard than other countries in the area, and they hold themselves to much higher standards. They consider it a point of pride. And I agree anti-Zionism is a disease that needs to be eradicated, but objectively speaking, I think the wall as it stands would be a bad political move, no matter who instituted it.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post, but I feel you might be wasting some of your energy. I'm pro-Israel; I also think Noam Chomsky is a very important intellectual who has contributed a great deal to modern sociology. To call him an "idiot," when he's literally a certified genius, is a bit ludicrous. Almost every conservative who has tried to debate him has gone home with his tail between his legs.

But then again, I also think the NYT is among the world's great newspapers. So maybe I, too, should rot in hell.