Mr. President, please let Don Rumsfeld clean house in Foggy Bottom as he has done at the Pentagon.

PLEASE!

CAIR, ISNA, MPAC, AMC-wow, they didn't leave any of the terror-loving organizations out at all! Well, they forgot the MSA.

Disgusting: Yoel Marcus of Haaretz mocks families of terror victims

This is how Haaretz describes the brave families of terror victims who went to the Hague:

"a show of whining and whimpering... a display of wretchedness and woe designed to tug at the heartstrings of international public opinion - like beggars who show off the stump of an arm or leg to make the world feel sorry for them."

Haaretz makes me feel sick.

The State Department Promotes Palestinian Peoplehood. In addition to endorsing Islamist organizations, the Department of State promotes on its website "the world of the Palestinians" to an English-speaking public ("a world vaster, and far richer, than the one portrayed on evening news broadcasts"). It does so in something called Asalah Magazine, four issues of which have been published since August 2002, the most recent of them this month. While Asalah's topics tend to be innocuous (appreciations of embroidery and olive trees), its underlying purpose is obvious: to establish that there is something known as "the Palestinian people." It hardly needs pointing out that the State Department's mission does not include promoting Palestinian nationalism. This magazine needs to be closed down, and its prior pages pulled down.

Can he tell President Bush that? Take a look at this page. That's the best they could do, seven pictures?

Disgusting, just disgusting, Ha'aretz Watch.

Of course, someone will blame Clinton for this. This is Bush's State Department, right? What's the excuse?

Haaretz-Watch (#3)

I am furious after reading that. What if it was his child who was vaporized by a Palestinian terrorist, would he still be mocking Zaka while they picked up bits of his child's flesh off the pavement? Bastard. He should be ashamed of himself for writing that.

#6 Seymour Paine

There's enough blame to go around. Going back to Jimmuh Cahrtuh.

As a goyim (goy?), I never really understood the term "self-hating Jew" until reading that vile piece of hatred from Yoel Marcus. Dude definitely has issues. We in America have our own self-haters, but while their ultimate wish may be to destroy America, they have the luxury of not having a murderous, suicidal, barbarous

civilization

, devoted to the destruction of every American man, woman and child, living next door. I would think Israelis would have even less of an excuse for such asshattedness than Americans (who have none), and their countrymen would have even less tolerance for their bullshit.

That magazine is really reaching, for according to the state department, the grand acheivements of the Palestinians are...

1) Posing for Pictures (most likely taken by Western tourists)
2) Making Fabric
3) Carving Wood
4) Sometimes using soap

You know, the things people are naturally assumed to do at some point...

I think its the extra activities that define the people...in this case, jihad.

um, that should read "civiliztion"...I thought the 'Quote' feature would...well, you know what I mean

Ah yes, we create and fund a "magazine" devoted to the loving virtues of a people who daily swear their hatred of us.

Makes sense.

Why stop at a magazine? Let's give them millions of dollars a year to service the "refugee camps" and throw in some fullbright scholarships for good measure. Oh wait...

How is this surprising? The State Department has thought of itself as "in charge" for years - never mind who is in the White House!

After all, Presidents may come and go, but the State Department is here forever.

Buzzards!

Have they published something similar for the Saudis yet, promoting what loving and tolerant people they are?

Zulubaby,

I dont care what it takes, I will never give up the fight against the Perverted Left within Israel who seek to destroy and demoralize the country from within.

Were the Americans who were murdered from USAID? OT: ? - Support From US is Suspect, Say Muslims (The Nation, Kenya)

providing opportunities for children in marginalised areas, including Muslim communities in northern and Coastal regions..."We have been asking ourselves: If we have been supporting secular and faith-based education in Kenya, why should we not also support Islamic education?" Mr Bellamy [US Ambassador] said in a recent interview with the Nation in Mombasa.

#14

The Saudis won't give visas to "Jewish People".
How, exactly, do they know?
My US passport doesn't state my religion.

Haaretz-Watch (#15)

Keep fighting, we all have to. They are dangerous. I wrote that despicable Yoel Marcus an e-mail. We don't believe in hell but perhaps we can make an exception for the likes of that bastard.

#2 evariste - The MSA is there, as a link.
Islamic School Addresses in North America
...secondary and elementary Islamic schools in the United States and Canada.
[Link: www.msa-natl.org...]

#19 Baldy-cripes, so they did.

A bit OT, but those of you who enjoy posting need to go over on occasion and post on the jihadwatch site. There are a few juicy muslim moonbats that regularly post, and a few nominal muslims or islam apologists who can find a way to excuse just about anything. Judging by what I've read here over the past few days, there is a veritable buzzsaw of facts, intellect, and wit here that would drive those folks completely nuts.

FYI goy is singular, goyim is plural. Hebrew is a gendered language like French. "im" is a masculine ending, "ot" is a feminie ending.

EMBROIDERY--but it still IS an important symbol of Palestinian culture. Two synonyms for "to embroider:" tpo blow up, to embellis

typos: to blow up, to embellish

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Not far OT: Over at NRO there is a good article by Richard Carlson and Mark Dubowitz on the farce at the ICJ: "Terrorism on Trial:
But not inside the U.N.'s Court at the Hague."

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Rayra, I'm a tenderfoot here. Is the "meta-tag rotation" a good or bad thing?

#9 tenderfoot

It's goy :-) , goyim is plural. The word 'goy' means nation, 'goyim' - nations, it usually refers to the foreign nations, and to individuals from foreign nations, but Israel is also a goy (nation).

As for self-hating Jews, I'm sad to say this phenomenon is quite prevalent. There are even Jews that actually blame the Jews for the holocaust.

skeeter, LOL! Load the front page, look up at your browser title. Now refresh, and read it again. That's the rotation, there's about twenty or thirty of them right now :-)

Geez, not only do I feel stupid, but I also went and used tenderfoot's handle. I'm just steppin' in it right and left this evening! LOL

#22 Yehudit

You beat me to it, sorry for the repetition, I typed mine before seeing yours.

Regarding the Saudi hospitality - as far as I know, Muslims from Israel do visit Mecca as pilgrims and they do have an Israeli passport. I wonder what's the arrangement there.

Jews are not allowed on this Muslim sacred soil (not that we want to go there anyway).
Actually there were some prosperous Jewish tribes living in parts of what is now Saudi Arabia before the Arab/Muslim conquest, the Quran gives plenty of details on what happend to them.

zulubaby ive never quite grasped that jewish concept. being catholic it is pretty deeply engrained that there is a heaven and a hell, please elaborate, I would like to get a better understanding of this theoligic principle.

for instance what happens to someone who's soul is black with evil, ie a nazi SS death camp guard, with the blood of hundreds of thousands of inoccents on his soul?

is his ultimate spiritual "reward" the same as the innocent?

dont want to sidetrack the thread just found it an interesting sidebar

rumcrook

Didn't Mr. Pol once observe that because there's supposedly no "P" sound in Arabic, that should read "Balestinian Beoble"?

Dar ul Harb-it was him, and it's true!

#32 rumcrook, see this Jewish FAQ, question 8. (Thanks, cba!)

Mr. Pol, and his evil Jordygyptian twin, Mr. Bol.

#14 zulubaby

That link to the Saudi Entity's Supreme Commission for Tourism made me cringe, not least for the fact that the site instantly made me think of Nazi Germany in its brazen targeting of Jews. Unfortunately, I am not surprised, but it's one thing to hear Arab "diplomats" spew obnoxious anti-Israel rhetoric cloaking anti-Semitism, its quite another to confront it in writing in such simple, but stark terms. The Saudis are truly a loathesome people.

Funny though, and others noted it, it's not like people are rushing to vacation in the Saudi Entity, particularly Jews. Fortunately, there are much better vacation destination that are more welcoming to Jews that have hot weather, lots of sun, and way better beaches, like Aruba!

On the thread, please, someone, anyone, sack the Near East Office ASAP!

#18 Zulubaby and #33 rumcrook

We don't believe in hell

The old Testament does not discuss hell as a punishment for a soul after death. However, in the Oral Tradition, there are certainly references to "Gehinom" which we normally translates as "hell". Ironically, the Mishna says that "one who talks too much to women wastes time from studying Torah, causes bad upon himself and eventually will inherit Gehinom." I don't purport to explain that, this is what the Mishna says.

Also, in the Talmud there is discussion of the punishments meted out to various evil people, like the Roman general Titus and some others whom I can't remember right now. There is certainly the idea of a soul being judged. There are many other instances of discussion of hell, which I won't bore you with.

In Kabbalistic teachings there are all kinds of references to various tribulations a "wicked" soul must go through before it can get to "the World to Come", including a "sling shot" effect, "Hell of Snow", etc.

Also, the Kaddish prayer said for the dead is said for 11 months, because a soul is supposed to go through a "cleansing" period after death which takes up to a year. We stop at 11 months to indicate that the person wasn't so evil that they need the full 12 months.

Anyway, whatever there is, one suspects this fellow in Haaretz may deserve it.

#36 evariste

Sorry, I started typing my ramblings before you posted the FAQ. That seems a slightly more comprehensive answer than mine.

It's all good, Izzy :-) No reason to restrain yourself, that was a good capsule of it!

OT: the RoP spreads a little love,,,,

[Link: www.azcentral.com...]

Flogging kills man who helped free sisters

Canadian Press
Feb. 26, 2004 10:22 AM

VANCOUVER - Three sisters who fled to Canada from Iran to escape beatings from its religious police were in mourning Wednesday after learning their brother died after reportedly being flogged 80 times.

Mohsen Mofidi, 35, who turned himself in to police so Iranian authorities would release his sisters from prison, died Sunday after the beating.

#41 evariste

Thanks. Nice to know I among friends.

#15 Haaretz-Watch

You are probably familiar with the Arabism cult developing in some of the Mizrahi-Left (not so) fringy (anymore) intellectuals. It's chearing to see how Pan-Arabist ideologies are boosting in Israel while gradually losing their hold on all other non-Arabic people of the Middle East.

So far the Arabist Jews didn't succeed in convincing the Mizrahi masses that they are actually Arabs, even if Jewish Arabs, and that they were kidnapped, raped and brainwashed to oblivion by the mean European imperialist-colonialist criminal Zionazis and their abominable evil which is Israel, and that they should side with the Palis to the end since a "Jewish state" is illegitimate (their favorite guro is the Pali Arab intellectual, Eduard Said).

But to tell you the truth, listening to our "intellectual elites" I don't see much hope for Israel.

Re: #14

But what are the criteria to determine if you're "Jewish People?" Do the Saudi Arabians apply the old Nuremburg Laws where it goes back to 1/8 Jewish blood, or was that that old Louisiana law for determining if you're a negro (1/8 blood)?

If you have some Jewish blood, like in old Nazi Germany, can you get a dispensaion signed by the Fuehrer? But the Fuehrer is dead, so can the dispensation be signed by David Duke or Vladimir Zhirinovski?

Or do they test for Tay Sachs at the Riyadh Airport? How about some type of nose shape test? But there would be too many false positive's from semitically hook-nosed Arabs.

I know! Use a composite test where they measure nose size and IQ. So if you have a big nose and an IQ over 100 you definitely have a suspected Jew on your hands.

Are there any Saudis out there who can enlighten us? Inquiring minds want to know.

#44 the new kid

Never give up.

There will always be an Israel!

I was reading some of the requests for advice/fatwa at islamonline today.(Concerning living in the US and supporting the Palestinians and jihad).

Besides giving to certain "charities" (even with ill gotten means, because they would be cleansed going to the cause) Muslims were supposed to help the jihad by some going to the US, involve themselves in respectable positions in industry, community, politics, etc., the whole time not forgetting that this is only acceptable because it is for the Ummah and that by expanding their powers in the US through their 'legitimate' associations, they could change policy to cut off all support for Israel.

The ultimate goal to wipe out Israel and the US (guilt by association).

I know this is nothing new to most here, but to see the fatwa in such blatant terms, was really irritating to say the least.

It is nice to see that the strategy is working just fine and I was wondering if there was anything else our government might do to help them?
Just ranting cause I'm so frustrated from reading all the Islam stuff, then going through NationofIslam, then seeing how the LLL is just killing us (litterally).

#45 Jersey Devil

I don't suppose they have concrete criteria since the idae of Jews wanting to go there is more of an hypothetical nature...

#47 stevieboy

Sounds familiar. Where from? Let me think a bit... Oh, yeah, the "Protocoles" ("of the elderly of Zion").

so thats it?? 12 months? even if your a real evil nazi murdering prick?

wow

that just doesnt stack up as fair when most peoples worst evils are gossiping or being an acosional ass.

What's up with Palestinian embroidery? This is not the first time I read about it. Is this very mediocre folk art the best so-called "Palestinian" people have to offer? Is that why the world community grants them the status of a nation?
Anyhow, Haaretz sucks!

#51 veebee . . .

Yes, it is a very mediocre type of embroidery compared to Mexican embroidery and other genres. Palestinian embroidery is mainly squares forming colorful blocks. I happen to like it, but that doesn't make it particularly outstanding as a folk art.

#51 veebee . . .

In fact, I'll bet Palestinian embroidery looks a lot like Syrian embroidery and Jordanian embroidery. Will check this out.

53 Promethea

and Chechen, Georgian, Armenian, Bosnian and Croatian embroidery

as the site says....regarding photographs

ELIA KAHVEDJIAN
A refugee of the 1915 massacre of Armenians, Elia Kahvedjian was brought to Palestine by the American Near East Relief Association (ANERA). He began taking photographs in 1924, with a special interest in capturing the busy life of Jerusalem streets. Along with his own photographs, Kahvedjian began a collection of photographs dating back to 1845. The complete archive numbers more than 1,400 photographs.

[Link: www.eliaphotoservice.com...]

he and 'tens of thousands' Armenians were brought to Nazareth in 1915....now "Palestinians"

I think this is Bedouin style clothes and embroidery

#55 Ploome . . .

Thanks for the info. I shouldn't have said "mediocre" embroidery--it's just not very fine work. As you said, it's mainly Bedouin work and not particularly refined.

Goodnight to one and all.

#45

I know! Use a composite test where they measure nose size and IQ.

Does that mean that Arafat is really a joooo? That nose couldn't possibly get much bigger without having to get some architectural support. He shrewdly gets himself disqualified on the IQ portion, though.

In this lengthy serial by Joseph Alexander Norland previously posted by Charles is damning proof that even the "Palestinians" themselves have acknowledged that the idea of a "Palestinian People" is utter fiction. From the link:

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

I know the old saw about not attributing to malice what can be explained by stupidity. But with stuff like this available on the web, stupidity just isn't cutting it for me.

promethia, ploomie

Actually, I suspect you can find similar graphics in Scandinavia -- I have to find some proof, though. Folk art from far away places tends to look similar. Another essay on Palestinian embroidery was fascinated with striking black, red and white colors. Where do you not find this color combination?

...The embroidery seems to be skillfully done, although they don't show close-ups of the stitches, but as far as folk art goes, Belgian lace and NYC graffiti artists are far more impressive. And Mexican embroidery is very good-looking, too.

OK, nothing on Scandinavia, but look what they do in Ukraine. My advisor needs no sit down and have a talk with the State Department and explain that they need to hire folklorists to promote nationalist causes appropriately. Sorry, this embroidery thing just won't do.

Israeli statement on the fence.

History repeats itself. History repeats itself.

If this were the Onion, the headline would be about "Palestinian Party People" (PPP) Which brings up what is probably my all-time favorite Onion article

ROOF ON FIRE CLAIMS LIVES OF 43 PARTY PEOPLE

NEW YORK—Tragedy struck at a popular Manhattan nightclub Saturday, when the roof, the roof, the roof of The Tunnel caught fire, collapsing and killing 43 party people.

According to fire-department officials, the death toll was exacerbated by the club goers’ unwillingness to evacuate the burning building.

“I tried shouting to the people on the dance floor that the roof was on fire and that they should exit the premises immediately, but they seemed unfazed by the danger,” firefighter Michael Pitti said. “I just kept shouting, ’The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire!’ and so forth, but they just went right on dancing, insisting that they didn’t need any of our water and that we should let the ‘motherfucker’ burn.”

“DJ Phreek Malik was spinning in a manner so hot, these party people were willing to give up their lives for a few extra minutes on the dance floor,” New York City fire commissioner Thomas Von Essen said. “Even as a 50-foot-high wall of flames surged toward them, they continued to dance, throwing their hands in the air and waving them as if they just didn’t care.”

As flames continued to fill the nightclub, firefighters frantically urged the revelers to keep low to the ground to avoid smoke inhalation, but the warnings were universally ignored.

“I was screaming at the top of my lungs, ‘Get down! Get down, party people!’” said Garry Hodges of Ladder Company 42, “but the more I shouted out, the harder they danced.”

Though an FDNY investigation is still pending, the deadly blaze is believed to have begun at 11:40 p.m., when a roof-mounted ventilation system short-circuited, igniting the motherfucker. The fire is New York’s deadliest since 1978, when 117 party people burned, baby, burned to death in a South Bronx disco inferno.

#14 zulubaby

Check the Saudi Entity's Supreme Commission for Tourism website today. Unless I am missing something, those prohibitions against Jews and Israelis, or those who have gone through Israel, are no longer on the site.

The racist wahabist entity moves quickly - No mention of Jewish People of Israeli visas on the page linked to by Zulubaby & BOTW today!

Why would you want to go there?

This is the downside of "professional" diplomats. # 13 Tish is correct, and maybe it's time for some serious housecleaning. Those who stay in positions of importance, such as State, for too long, lose sight of the "who" for whom they work. Prevailing attitudes of fellow employees, or even higher administratiors, becomes their raison d'etre, to the exclusion of the viewpoints and positions of the rest of America.

Last year I went to Israel on a Mission. We went to Hebrew University to hear a professor of Political History, and he spewed the most vile anti-Israel and anti-American vitriol that I wanted to leave, but couldn't. Most of the missioners were outraged. It was so bad that I had to close my ears. It still depresses me.

Some of the most rabid anti-Israel haters are Israelis or Jewish Americans. What sickness.

#8 Paladin

You mean, like, including Bush senior, Reagan, etc., also? But this is Bush's State Department, so what is the excuse? He appointed Powell, not Carter or Clinton. Powell is his creature, so he must be reflecting Bush's policies.

People here act like Russians did during the late Czarist period: Assuming that if only the Czar knew what was happening in his name, he would put a stop to it.

These are Bush's policies, not Carters. The same way that Bush has protected the Saudis from scrutiny by the FBI, the same way that the FBI goes after Jews (doesn't hire them); reinstates and sucks up to that turncoat Moslem FBI agent. This happens now. He is responsible for it. To pretend ottherwise is silly.

Bush has a serious soft spot for the Religion of Peace thanks in large part to Grover Norquist, the Arabist tax activist. Grover is on the Islamist dole and has bended Bush's ear about being the Laurence of Arabia in our time.

While I do think that the State Department does a lot of freelancing on behalf of Araby, I agree with Seymore Payne that Bush is not off the hook. He has gone to great pains to avoid saying that the war on (some) terror is really the war on Islamicism.

Would these be the same Palestinians who killed an Israeli soldier yesterday, and the IDF uncovered a new tunnel at Erez which happened to contain police uniforms?

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

So far the Arabist Jews didn't succeed in convincing the Mizrahi masses that they are actually Arabs, even if Jewish Arabs, and that they were kidnapped, raped and brainwashed to oblivion by the mean European imperialist-colonialist criminal Zionazis and their abominable evil which is Israel, and that they should side with the Palis to the end since a "Jewish state" is illegitimate (their favorite guro is the Pali Arab intellectual, Eduard Said).

This kida thinking always reminds me of the Freedom Rides and when some Racist Southerner would say,
"we never had no problems with OUR negros until these northern Jew communists came around agitating trouble."

#67 jed

I'm afraid you're right. It's even kinda mainstream in the Israeli academy and if you don't play the game you're risking your position.

#1 Paladin -- "Mr. President, please let Don Rumsfeld clean house in Foggy Bottom as he has done at the Pentagon."

Forget that. Debka is reporting that the State Department just deep-sixed a Defense Department plan to allow US troops greater flexibility in interdicting Al Quaeda infiltration of Iraq along the Syrian border. That plan would have allowed for incursions into Syrian territory.

So, more of our boys die while Colin Powell and his army of appeasers at State, write polite but firm diplomatic notes to murdering Islamic dictators and terrorists. I'll bet the Islamists simply laugh at those missives and their perfectly crafted, but perfectly useless, diplospeak.

GWB is still fighting this war tepidly at best. If there were even one Democrat that had some real courage and was not a "hate America firster", he'd stand a good chance of winning the next election. As it is, Bush's half efforts are all that stand between us and surrender to Islam. That's all we've got but it's better than the alternative.

U.S. official to visit Mideast to promote Bush democracy plan

[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

President George W. Bush said Friday it is cynical to doubt Arabs want freedom and democracy. "Freedom is inherently part of every soul," he said.

#32 the new kid
"Actually there were some prosperous Jewish tribes living in parts of what is now Saudi Arabia before the Arab/Muslim conquest, the Quran gives plenty of details on what happened to them."

Before the exile of Jewish tribes from the Arabian peninsula, there were massacres of two Jewish Arabian tribes, by Muhammad. After that, the prophet of Islam stated that there could only be one religion on the Arabian peninsula, so the rest of the Jewish tribes were expelled.

Here is how this piece of massacre and exile history is described in the bookThe Case for Israel, by Alan Dershowitz.

Among the Jews who lived in Jericho during the seventh century were refugees from Muhammad's bloody massacre of two Arabian Jewish tribes. The Jews of Khaibar had lived peacefully among their Arab neighbors until the prophet Muhammad "visited upon his beaten enemy inhuman atrocities," massacring Jewish men, women, and children. The Jews of Khaibar "had prided themselves on the purity of their family life; now their women and daughters [the ones who were spared execution' were distributed among and carried away by the conqerors." Those Jews who managed to escape the sword of the prophet were forbidden to remain on the Arab fPeninsula, pursuant to the prophet's command: "Never do two religions exist in Arabia." Many settled in Palestine, joining Jewish refugees from post-Roman Christian oppression.

The reason this is relevant to today is that the Wahhabi branch of Islam preaches a return to the spirit of the seventh century, wants as much as possible to return to the seventh century way of doing things, believes that what was written in the Quran is to be taken literally -- including all of the messages of hate and violence, believes that the prophet Muhammad was the perfect person and everything about his ways should be imitated by all true Muslims.

Therefore, since Muhammad massacred Jewish tribes, and expelled the rest, that is exactly what a true believer in Wahhabism would do to Jews today, including Jews living in the Jewish historic homeland, Israel.

If some moderate or liberal or reformed Muslim does not take the Quran literally, and does not believe that Muhammad was the perfect person for all time, and does not think that the conditions and standards of today are the same as those of the 7th century, then tolerance may be possible. But for the Wahhabis, tolerance is not possible, according to their belief system. And for the Wahhabis, any Muslim who does not accept Wahhabism is an apostate, and eligible for execution. Therefore, Wahhabism cannot change, and cannot tolerate change -- ever.

Interesting article by Caroline Glick: Surrealism vs Reality.

In the State Department report, Pali casualties are mentioned by name, they are real people; Israelis murdered are never mentioned by name. The State Department report is depersonalized as far as Israelis go, but personal for Palis. The Palis are real human beings, their losses are tragic. The Israelis are dehumanized -- their murder is only something abstract.

Ms. Glick points out what anybody can verify, concerning the State Department report.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Why is this so?

With "Visa Express" now out of commission, the State Department must look for new ways to fullfill it's Islamofascist-forgiving, terrorist-coddling, appeasement mission.