Confirmed: The Narcissist in Chief Brought a Cheering Section With Him to His CIA Speech

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At Donald Trump’s bizarre narcissistic speech in front of the CIA’s wall memorializing agents who lost their lives serving the US, one of the most jarring notes was the applauding and cheering when Trump blathered out his signature talking points, or when he bragged about how many times he’d been on the cover of TIME magazine. (Yes, he really did this.)

Now, thanks to UK paper The Independent, we know for sure what many of us already suspected: that cheering section wasn’t composed of CIA employees. It was a group of Trump sycophants he brought with him to make it look as if the CIA loved him.

Pool reports later clarified that the attendants who were cheering and clapping when Mr Trump spoke were not CIA staffers but people who accompanied Mr Trump to the briefing.

For their sake, I hope they were paid in cash, because Trump is known for stiffing the actors he brings to his events.

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:30:54pm

Snort!

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:34:56pm

Reposted for klys:
I muted all conservative friends and family from my Facebook feed about a year ago. You’re linking to Breitbart? Muted. Obama’s a Muslim, huh? Muted. Glory be to God for putting Trump in office? Muted. You will not regret your decision, trust me.

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:35:06pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:35:47pm

Our newly minted president has to carry a cheering section with him for his speeches, even where such cheering is totally inappropriate. Puts all those years of counting “Me” and “I” in every speech in perspective, doesn’t it?

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:36:23pm

Bill Simmons had Seth Meyers and Michael Schur on his podcast this week they both worked with Trump on his ‘04 appearance on SNL, this is what they said about him:

Meyers: But he never understood why it was funny. The first time the audience laughed, you can see a genuine look of pleased surprise — it was a pleasant surprise.

Schur: He is a heat-seeking missile in that way, in terms of adulation. As the audience responded favorably, he then sort of puffed up and got happier, and then the sketch worked really well because of that, I think. … Weird days.

That seems to be the best explanation of who and what Trump is.

(Source)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:36:23pm

Astroturfing gaslighter in chief.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:36:26pm

My wife’s made the big time! One of her tweets appeared on LGF!

Love her to bits.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:39:49pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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See, Jeb had the wrong idea. He thought he should be able to elicit applause by giving coherent speeches. If he’s just spent some money to hire actors, he might have been president.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:41:26pm

Holy shit, I was joking about with that Juche reference.

I am future psychic like a motherfucker.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:41:40pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:41:49pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

See, Jeb had the wrong idea. He thought he should be able to elicit applause by giving coherent speeches. If he’s just spent some money to hire actors, he might have been president.

What I would give to have Jeb Bush as President at this point…

*sigh*

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:42:44pm

So, first question to every media appearance where 45 says something and applause erupts - are they Trump’s people, paid gaslighters, or authentic applause points.

Actions have consequences. Trump has made it his mission to spin every appearance as a love fest for him, no matter how it actually appears. Show up at CIA; get own employees to cheer him while CIA looks on wondering WTF.

The GOP wont stand up against this nonsense, because they’re basking in the power glow of having total control over the levers of power. It’s up to the rest of us to show that none of this is what our nation is about or should even be. 45 is pushing a fascist approach to our nation and intends to break government’s very core for its own sake.

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:42:53pm

Bringing back a gif that was posted a couple of threads ago by De Kolta Chair because the topic came up again at the bottom of the last thread:

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:43:07pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:46:33pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

He needs to brush his teeth.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:50:15pm

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:50:26pm

re: #13 lawhawk

I’m not feeling clever enough to do it* but there’s an article to be done addressing the press about the fact that access journalism has gone from merely useless and cynical to actively harmful.

I mean, it used to be that it was just normal shitty—soft questions, free airtime to recite talking points. Now it’s weaponized shitty—you bring them on, your show is being jacked to crap out disinformation; you go to their press conference, they recite bullshit to captive microphones and a few elect sycophants. After Trump at the CIA, Sean Spicer yesterday, and Conway and Priebus today…plus Trump importing the sheep from Animal Farm…the “we tenderly caress their feelings with nuru gel, live” format of news is just contributing to the death of a free press.

* okay, I’m clever enough, but my version would probably involve way too much use of permutations of “fuckbake,” and would include two blasphemous references to the Robot Pope.

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TedStriker  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:52:02pm

re: #17 Ace Rothstein

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LOL!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:52:48pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Bringing back a gif that was posted a couple of threads ago by De Kolta Chair because the topic came up again at the bottom of the last thread:

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Thank you!

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:53:58pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Bringing back a gif that was posted a couple of threads ago by De Kolta Chair because the topic came up again at the bottom of the last thread:

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Watching that, I get the impression that Obama was actually surprised by Trump not waiting for his wife. You can see him do sort of a double move, like “oh, I guess we are doing this now?”

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:57:00pm

re: #21 KGxvi

Watching that, I get the impression that Obama was actually surprised by Trump not waiting for his wife. You can see him do sort of a double move, like “oh, I guess we are doing this now?”

He can just have Vlad send him a newer model if she complains. I’d love to see Franklin Graham defending a White House divorce (and he would).

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:57:21pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Bringing back a gif that was posted a couple of threads ago by De Kolta Chair because the topic came up again at the bottom of the last thread:

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Is there really any doubt that Trump considers Melania to be a trophy wife and nothing more?

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Kilroy was here  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:57:30pm

re: #18 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I’m not feeling clever enough to do it* but there’s an article to be done addressing the press about the fact that access journalism has gone from merely useless and cynical to actively harmful.

I think the Washington Post agrees:
Anyone — citizen or journalist — who is surprised by false claims from the new inhabitant of the Oval Office hasn’t been paying attention. That was reinforced when Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway told “Meet the Press” Sunday that Spicer had been providing “alternative facts” to what the media had reported, making it clear we’ve gone full Orwell.

White House press briefings are “access journalism,” in which official statements — achieved by closeness to the source — are taken at face value and breathlessly reported as news. And that is over. Dead.
washingtonpost.com

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Timothy Watson  Jan 22, 2017 • 4:58:13pm

When did the GOP pass this law to screw over poor people?

Refund Timing for Earned Income Tax Credit and Additional Child Tax Credit Filers

The IRS will begin to release EITC/ACTC refunds starting Feb. 15. However, the IRS cautions taxpayers that these refunds likely won’t arrive in bank accounts or debit cards until the week of February 27 — if there are no processing issues with the tax return and the taxpayer chose direct deposit. This additional period is due to several factors, including banking and financial systems needing time to process deposits.

Where’s My Refund? ‎on irs.gov and the IRS2Go mobile app will be updated with projected deposit dates for early EITC /ACTC refund filers a few days after Feb. 15. Taxpayers will not see a refund date on Where’s My Refund? ‎or through their software packages until then. The IRS, tax preparers and tax software will not have additional information on refund dates, so Where’s My Refund? remains the best way to check the status of a refund.

Why is my refund being held?
Beginning in 2017, if you claim the EITC or ACTC on your tax return, the IRS must hold your refund until Feb. 15. This new law requires the IRS to hold the entire refund — even the portion not associated with the EITC or ACTC. Like previous years, some tax refunds may be held if there are questions about the tax return or the IRS needs more information.

irs.gov

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:01:33pm
Like previous years, some tax refunds may be held if there are questions about the tax return or the IRS needs more information.

Questions like “what political party are you registered with and who did you vote for?”.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:04:49pm

re: #25 Timothy Watson

Yeah, the GOP is real concerned about tax fraud but only if poor people are doing it:
denverpost.com

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:05:08pm

In case anybody wonders what RWNJs will have to complain about under a total GOP government, Rush Limbaugh is whining that Showtime ruined Homeland be making it sympathetic to Muslims.

So many outrages, so little time.

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:05:49pm

re: #25 Timothy Watson

There were significant issues with EITC filings in the past several years, and Congress passed a law requiring additional scrutiny for those filings. That same law also addressed issues with fraud and phishing/internet scams, has slowed refund procedures to verify that the returns are going to the persons who are actually to the proper parties.

Addendum:
Of course, Mnuchin during his confirmation hearing had to admit that the IRS is undermanned and that getting compliance is hard to do when you don’t have enough people checking returns, doing audits, and making sure that people are paying taxes owed.

The GOP helped create this situation by undermining the IRS compliance in the first place - and that Mnuchin didn’t know this going in shows just how unprepared he is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:05:58pm

I just had to explain to my 9 year old nephew about the Iraqi information minister meme.

Hard to believe it’s been 14 years since that whole mess.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:06:24pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

“Have you ever worked for any organization that specialized in climate research?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:08:57pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:10:09pm

re: #24 Kilroy was here

I think the Washington Post agrees:
Anyone — citizen or journalist — who is surprised by false claims from the new inhabitant of the Oval Office hasn’t been paying attention. That was reinforced when Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway told “Meet the Press” Sunday that Spicer had been providing “alternative facts” to what the media had reported, making it clear we’ve gone full Orwell.

White House press briefings are “access journalism,” in which official statements — achieved by closeness to the source — are taken at face value and breathlessly reported as news. And that is over. Dead.
washingtonpost.com

In a sane world, the press would respond to yesterday’s performance piece by telling the White House that when they want to behave like adults, they’ll start attending briefings again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:10:11pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

That is both fascinating and terrifying.

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Weaselone  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:10:23pm

re: #13 lawhawk

I just assume anything that comes out of the mouth of a Republican is a lie. Given the torrent of lies coming out, nobody has the time or mental energy to devote to considering and then thoughtfully accepting or rejecting what they have to say.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:10:31pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

That is both fascinating and terrifying.

Yep.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:11:20pm

re: #35 Weaselone

Everything that comes out of this administration should be presumed false until proven otherwise.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:12:12pm

Oh man…can you imagine what Trump will do at the Correspondents dinner?

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:12:46pm

I’m glad this is Fahrenthold’s new beat.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:13:16pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man…can you imagine what Trump will do at the Correspondents dinner?

I wouldn’t go. He’ll probably lock them all in and load them up in paddywagons.

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:13:30pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man…can you imagine what Trump will do at the Correspondents dinner?

Whatever he does, he’ll do it poorly.

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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:13:51pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

I wouldn’t go. He’ll probably lock them all in and load them up in paddywagons.

Only for their own protection.

/?

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:14:13pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man…can you imagine what Trump will do at the Correspondents dinner?

I expect he’ll plant sycophants in the audience to clap (lookin’ at you, Sean and Bill’O), while the rest of the audience will sit around looking very uncomfortable and frequently checking their watches.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:14:22pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

As I predicted. I hope this happens every day of the Cheeto’s dictatorship.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:14:56pm
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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:15:55pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

Questions like “what political party are you registered with and who did you vote for?”.

When I went to join my local Realtor association, one of the (optional) questions on the application form had to do with my political affiliation. I didn’t answer it. Why the hell was that question even on the application?

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:15:57pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

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10:30 AM? What an early riser.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:16:09pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

I’m glad this is Fahrenthold’s new beat.

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No court is going to make a ruling on a lawsuit like that.

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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:16:48pm

Now it all makes sense….

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:17:05pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

That is both fascinating and terrifying.

Especially the one about the wolf eating foreign kids.

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:17:58pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man…can you imagine what Trump will do at the Correspondents dinner?

We got a preview at this year’s Al Smith dinner. Only it’ll be worse

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:19:41pm

Absolute minimum:

There is zero reason to have Kellyanne Conway on your show.

Nothing is gained by it, she has no interest in plain speech. She’s being paid to parse Trump statements that sound like solid promises into a fine mist, and to DARVO any situation that reflects poorly on her boss.

Her job is the inverse of reporting.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:20:26pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

I expect he’ll plant sycophants in the audience to clap (lookin’ at you, Sean and Bill’O), while the rest of the audience will sit around looking very uncomfortable and frequently checking their watches.

At least Steven Crowder will finally get a gig.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:20:32pm

re: #48 Timothy Watson

No court is going to make a ruling on a lawsuit like that.

Because?

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:21:33pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Because?

Standing?

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:22:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:23:02pm
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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:23:03pm

re: #48 Timothy Watson

No court is going to make a ruling on a lawsuit like that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Courts went with the political question doctrine to dismiss the complaint. But looking at the names attached to the complaint, those are some heavy hitters among constitutional law scholars. They will have anticipated the argument and have a half dozen arguments against it.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:23:11pm

These are times like we’ve never seen.

I hope the judiciary is up to the task.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:27:48pm

re: #56 lawhawk

A meeting with Union leaders huh? That ought to go well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:28:21pm
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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:29:12pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

These are times like we’ve never seen.

I hope the judiciary is up to the task.

Have you seen the judiciary? There’s quite a few empty seats on the federal bench because the GOP has been anticipating this very moment - the ability to pack the bench with a bunch of extremists who are willing to undo the safety net and protections that the past 50 years have brought. Garland was only the tip of a very large iceberg of judicial vacancies.

I worry that the GOP will pack the courts with unqualified or extreme nominees who are going to roll back civil and voting rights despite clear precedence.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:32:06pm

Courtesy of Fark:

Kellyanne Conway says Trump’s plan to replace Obamacare involves turn Medicaid into a block grant program that States can run as they see fit. Or, as an”alternative fact”, poor people are about to be screwed six ways to Sunday

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:32:40pm

Bannon and the white nationalists solidify their grasp on the levers of power. The propaganda wing continues culling names from Breitbart:

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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:33:46pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

A meeting with Union leaders huh? That ought to go well.

//

Tony Sopranoish union leaders?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:34:48pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

A meeting with Union leaders huh? That ought to go well.

//

[Former Soviet] Union leaders.

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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:35:47pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

A meeting with SOVIET Union leaders huh? That ought to go well.

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FIFY

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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:36:12pm

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

[Former Soviet] Union leaders.

dammit!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:36:50pm

re: #62 lawhawk

You really think they’ll give a shit about precedent?

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:37:25pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

That was my point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:38:22pm

For anyone who missed it…

SNL Cold open 1/21/17

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Amory Blaine  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:38:41pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:38:53pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:39:07pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man…can you imagine what Trump will do at the Correspondents dinner?

I’m expecting that event to be a thing of the past.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:39:22pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

A meeting with Union leaders huh? That ought to go well.

//

“Allow me to lay out just how badly you’re about to be fucked. You know Atlantic City? When I’m done, you’re gonna wish you’d gotten off that lucky.”

//

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:40:49pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:41:24pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Ugh…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:47:32pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

It seems as though that Trump person has forgotten what the Teamsters can do. An interesting meeting indeed.

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:50:18pm
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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:51:56pm

re: #79 lawhawk

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He must have asked her what she wanted for their anniversary.

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:53:02pm

That was fast.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:54:34pm

Is it their anniversary?

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:54:39pm

re: #79 lawhawk

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The flip side of being a trophy wife, when you realize that he could trade you in for a “newer model” any day.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:55:02pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:55:53pm

re: #79 lawhawk

She’s ended up where she is through her own choices and I know that. At the same time, I look at those photos and I don’t see someone who is happy with where they are in life.

(Look, humans are complicated and I can feel multiple emotions on the whole thing. I get that the reader’s mileage may vary but please don’t give me shit for being human, okay?)

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:56:13pm

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

Republicans won’t care. Russia is our friend.

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:56:39pm

re: #79 lawhawk

They’re celebrating two years of happy marriage.

(I bet even that is being optomistic)

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Amory Blaine  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:58:06pm

Her nightmare, is now our nightmare.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:58:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:59:21pm

Well looks like Trump’s pal Brady is going to the Super Bowl. They teach you when you’re a kid that cheaters never win. Obviously those people never met Brady, Belichick, and Trump. Sorry I know there’s some Pats fans here.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:59:34pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She’s ended up where she is through her own choices and I know that. At the same time, I look at those photos and I don’t see someone who is happy with where they are in life.

(Look, humans are complicated and I can feel multiple emotions on the whole thing. I get that the reader’s mileage may vary but please don’t give me shit for being human, okay?)

He treats her like a piece of furniture. I share your complicated reactions.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 5:59:59pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She’s ended up where she is through her own choices and I know that. At the same time, I look at those photos and I don’t see someone who is happy with where they are in life.

(Look, humans are complicated and I can feel multiple emotions on the whole thing. I get that the reader’s mileage may vary but please don’t give me shit for being human, okay?)

Stop being human, damn you. We are Lizardim. We are Borg. Resistance is futile.

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:00:01pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She’s ended up where she is through her own choices and I know that. At the same time, I look at those photos and I don’t see someone who is happy with where they are in life.

(Look, humans are complicated and I can feel multiple emotions on the whole thing. I get that the reader’s mileage may vary but please don’t give me shit for being human, okay?)

I’ve been feeling kind of sorry for her this weekend too. I’ve been trying not to but in every picture or vid she looks like a million dollar doormat.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:00:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:00:43pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Where the hell did all these Nazi fucks come from? I mean I remember learning about the Nazis in school and being horrified that such a thing could have happened. Amazing how some people took a totally different lesson from it.

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No Depression  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:00:54pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Well looks like Trump’s pal Brady is going to the Super Bowl. They teach you when you’re a kid that cheaters never win. Obviously those people never met Brady, Belichick, and Trump. Sorry I know there’s some Pats fans here.

Go Falcons!

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:01:02pm

Something - I have no idea what - just exploded here on Long Island. Had everyone on our block outside looking for what happened, and people on Facebook from as far away as Montauk heard it.

As soon as I figure out what’s up, more details.

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b.d.  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:01:13pm

Time for some uplifting escapism, off to watch The Young Pope

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:01:43pm

Watching Victoria on PBS.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:03:28pm

re: #96 No Depression

Go Falcons!

Yep I’m already with Moe Szylak on that. I bet Trump and Brady are chomping at the bit to meet at the WH and discuss golf. Rooting for Matt Ryan to make sure it doesn’t happen since the Steelers aren’t going ot be able to. Sorry, I know I sound bitter but man I despise that team. They and the NY Yankees are the Trump of sports.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:04:28pm

re: #91 EmmaAnne

He treats her like a piece of furniture. I share your complicated reactions.

I feel like I should come with a disclaimer: felt empathy for stuffed animals as a small child.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:04:49pm

I won’t distract our discussion with my football rants though guys. I don’t want to come off whiny. Just feeling like it put a dagger in my day. My brother’s basketball team that I coached has a good chance to do well though. We won our fifth straight today and one of our freshmen (we primarily have sophomores since my brother is one) had a great game so I’m pumped about that.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:05:21pm

re: #93 stpaulbear

I’ve been feeling kind of sorry for her this weekend too. I’ve been trying not to but in every picture or vid she looks like a million dollar doormat.

Bottom line is we have photos of a day when he knew all cameras were on him & he treated her like shit.

He’s always been this way.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:05:53pm

NEW FEATURE!

You can now save images in embedded tweets to your personal LGF Image Library. Just click the button that says “Image(s)” below the tweet, and when it pops up there’s a button underneath it that says “Save to Image Library.”

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:05:54pm

re: #101 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I feel like I should come with a disclaimer: felt empathy for stuffed animals as a small child.

Yeah, I’m a serious empath as well. It kind of sucks to be a severe introvert and a severe empath; you can feel every bit of pain someone is experiencing, but you can’t muster up the energy to say or do anything about it.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:06:08pm

My wingnut friend who is wrong about everything had an amazing week of alternative facts. I felt like I should share them with you.

1. Population of Peru is 50% Japanese.
2. Islam was part of the founding of the Russian Orthodox Church.
3. Current CIA director converted to Islam a week before Trump’s inauguration.
4. Muslims are exempt from “Obamacare.”
5. The return of Patrick Beverly would mean no more triple-doubles for James Harden. (Harden had a triple-double in Beverly’s first start after his injury.)
6. Muslims that are American citizens are less American than him.

And in case you were all wondering, he voted for Trump.

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darthstar  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:06:47pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Snort!

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Wow…I suddenly find myself not hating the WBC.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:06:52pm

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

He’s …special.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:07:14pm

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

My wingnut friend who is wrong about everything had an amazing week of alternative facts. I felt like I should share them with you.

1. Population of Peru is 50% Japanese.
2. Islam was part of the founding of the Russian Orthodox Church.
3. Current CIA director converted to Islam a week before Trump’s inauguration.
4. Muslims are exempt from “Obamacare.”
5. The return of Patrick Beverly would mean no more triple-doubles for James Harden. (Harden had a triple-double in Beverly’s first start after his injury.)
6. Muslims that are American citizens are less American than him.

And in case you were all wondering, he voted for Trump.

I thought John Brennan had been a secret Muslim for like a decade?

////

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:07:31pm

re: #107 darthstar

Wow…I suddenly find myself not hating the WBC.

No, no, don’t do it, don’t go to the bad place. Stopped clock, etc., etc.

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No Depression  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:07:43pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Yep I’m already with Moe Szylak on that. I bet Trump and Brady are chomping at the bit to meet at the WH and discuss golf. Rooting for Matt Ryan to make sure it doesn’t happen since the Steelers aren’t going ot be able to. Sorry, I know I sound bitter but man I despise that team. They and the NY Yankees are the Trump of sports.

Oh I do too. Though I know my Cowboys aren’t much better in the eyes of most.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:07:51pm

Can’t stop watching…..

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:07:55pm

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

My wingnut friend who is wrong about everything had an amazing week of alternative facts. I felt like I should share them with you.

1. Population of Peru is 50% Japanese.
2. Islam was part of the founding of the Russian Orthodox Church.
3. Current CIA director converted to Islam a week before Trump’s inauguration.
4. Muslims are exempt from “Obamacare.”
5. The return of Patrick Beverly would mean no more triple-doubles for James Harden. (Harden had a triple-double in Beverly’s first start after his injury.)
6. Muslims that are American citizens are less American than him.

And in case you were all wondering, he voted for Trump.

That part about Peru would be news to my brother and his in laws. I mean my SIL has told me about Fujoumori before but Japanese Peruvians aren’t that big a part of the population. The other stuff heh including the bit about Harden.

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darthstar  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:08:45pm

re: #110 thedopefishlives

No, no, don’t do it, don’t go to the bad place. Stopped clock, etc., etc.

Well, not hating them on their treatment of 45.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:09:54pm

re: #111 No Depression

Oh I do too. Though I know my Cowboys aren’t much better in the eyes of most.

Yeah a lot of people hate the Steelers too. I actually have developed a tiny soft spot for the Boys honestly. I have two really good pals who are Boys fan and even though your guys beat my guys in a heartbreaker this season, I have a lot of respect for Dak and Zek Elliott in a way I defintiely don’t for NE. But as I said, I don’t want to piss and moan over sports on a political blog. Just wanted to rant and get back to some discussion before I called it a night. I’m actually pretty happy with how the Steelers season went. I was just hoping they could make the SB and maybe win it all so I could have an excuse to visit some family in Pittsburgh.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:10:26pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

It could be worse, you could be a 49ers fan. :\

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:10:44pm

re: #116 Single-handed sailor

It could be worse, you could be a 49ers fan. :\

Or a Browns fan.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:11:25pm

We’ve reached full meme, folks:

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scottslemmons  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:11:51pm

re: #101 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I feel like I should come with a disclaimer: felt empathy for stuffed animals as a small child.

Hell, I felt empathy for household appliances.

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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:13:02pm

re: #105 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I’m a serious empath as well. It kind of sucks to be a severe introvert and a severe empath; you can feel every bit of pain someone is experiencing, but you can’t muster up the energy to say or do anything about it.

That describes me as well. This really isn’t a world made for empaths, is it…

re: #119 scottslemmons

Hell, I felt empathy for household appliances.

I almost feel physical pain when trees are cut down, and even when trash is thrown away.

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darthstar  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:13:17pm

I’m glad the transition went smoothly, because the first weekend’s been a shit-show of incompetence.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:14:20pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

NEW FEATURE!

You can now save images in embedded tweets to your personal LGF Image Library. Just click the button that says “Image(s)” below the tweet, and when it pops up there’s a button underneath it that says “Save to Image Library.”

As always, you’ll need to reload the page to get the new Javascript code installed and enable this feature.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:14:21pm

re: #116 Single-handed sailor

It could be worse, you could be a 49ers fan. :\

Or honestly a fan of most teams. Don’t get me wrong. I’m disappointed but there are worse things than being a Steelers fan. There are Bengals and Lions fans who haven’t even seen their team win playoff games in their lifetimes let alone SBs. I just really hate NE. When I was a kid, I hated the Yankees like no other but as an adult, it’s now the Pats.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:15:05pm

re: #121 darthstar

I’m glad the transition went smoothly, because the first weekend’s been a shit-show of incompetence.

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That for those who you don’t know is really unprecedented. Obama FWIW even kept Bush’s Secretary of Defense by means of comparison.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:16:42pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

That for those who you don’t know is really unprecedented. Obama FWIW even kept Bush’s Secretary of Defense by means of comparison.

A sane president would have kept his predecessor’s guys in office while he worked to get their replacements selected and approved. Donny kicks out the last guy’s employees, then sends over 50 of his campaign staff and tells the office to “make it work.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:17:57pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

A sane president would have kept his predecessor’s guys in office while he worked to get their replacements selected and approved. Donny kicks out the last guy’s employees, then sends over 50 of his campaign staff and tells the office to “make it work.”

He’s just so stupid and spiteful. It’s going to have really disastrous consequences I’m afraid,

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:18:47pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

He’s just so stupid and spiteful. It’s going to have really disastrous consequences I’m afraid,

I told Mrs. Fish - who is by no means a political expert - and she just buried her face in her hands and said, “Oh my GOD.”

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Timothy Watson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:20:53pm

re: #121 darthstar

I’m glad the transition went smoothly, because the first weekend’s been a shit-show of incompetence.

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THE TRANSITION WAS UNDER-BUDGET!!1!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:21:02pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

I told Mrs. Fish - who is by no means a political expert - and she just buried her face in her hands and said, “Oh my GOD.”

I was explaining why moving the Israeli embassy was a bad idea earlier too. Man if Obama had his hands full after Bush.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:21:16pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

I was explaining why moving the Israeli embassy was a bad idea earlier too. Man if Obama had his hands full after Bush.

Wait, wait. HE DID WHAT?!

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:22:24pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

He’s just so stupid and spiteful. It’s going to have really disastrous consequences I’m afraid,

But sending a bunch of unqualified toadies to Iraq for reconstruction worked so well for W…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:22:30pm

re: #130 thedopefishlives

Wait, wait. HE DID WHAT?!

Errr he moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Well they said they’re going to anyhow. Sorry two beers and still distracted over sports ball.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:22:45pm

re: #131 stpaulbear

But sending a bunch of unqualified toadies to Iraq worked so well for W…

I hear Paul Bremer isn’t doing anything these days!

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:22:59pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Errr he moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Well they said they’re going to anyhow. Sorry two beers and still distracted over sports ball.

Oh, fuck… He really isn’t going to rest until he gets the ever-loving shit kicked out of us, is he.

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nines09  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:23:49pm

I was busy all day, out and about. Saw the press “discovered” Trump lies. Wow. I have to go lay down.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:24:17pm

re: #134 thedopefishlives

Oh, fuck… He really isn’t going to rest until he gets the ever-loving shit kicked out of us, is he.

He read the Dubya playbook, he knows the key to immediate high approval ratings and reelection is a major disaster that he can use to spin the opposition as “unAmerican.” And if one will not present itself, he will work to instigate it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:24:39pm

re: #134 thedopefishlives

Oh, fuck… He really isn’t going to rest until he gets the ever-loving shit kicked out of us, is he.

Yeah it’s just so stupid but hey Bibi is happy and that’s all that matters. Peace be damned.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:25:15pm

This new feature to save an image from an embedded tweet directly to your Image Library is pretty danged awesome if I do say so myself, and I do. Every day lots of great images are posted in our comments in the form of embedded tweets, and this makes it super-easy to reuse them.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:25:52pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

He read the Dubya playbook, he knows the key to immediate high approval ratings and reelection is a major disaster that he can use to spin the opposition as “unAmerican.” And if one will not present itself, he will work to instigate it.

Okay, let’s be fair. I don’t think that Dubya, as bumbling and idiotic as his administration was, acted with malicious intent. Drumpf, on the other hand, appears to be actively trying to completely destroy the fragile goodwill Obama worked so hard to build after the Texas Chainsaw Diplomatic Massacre left office.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:26:10pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Well looks like Trump’s pal Brady is going to the Super Bowl. They teach you when you’re a kid that cheaters never win. Obviously those people never met Brady, Belichick, and Trump. Sorry I know there’s some Pats fans here.

If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying, and it’s only cheating if you get caught!
//

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:26:21pm

re: #131 stpaulbear

I just updated my post to clarify I was talking about the Iraq reconstruction, NOT the soldiers that fought the war.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:26:44pm

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Okay, let’s be fair. I don’t think that Dubya, as bumbling and idiotic as his administration was, acted with malicious intent. Drumpf, on the other hand, appears to be actively trying to completely destroy the fragile goodwill Obama worked so hard to build after the Texas Chainsaw Diplomatic Massacre left office.

Tell that to the citizens of Iraq.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:26:47pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

He read the Dubya playbook, he knows the key to immediate high approval ratings and reelection is a major disaster that he can use to spin the opposition as “unAmerican.” And if one will not present itself, he will work to instigate it.

Even Dubs knew moving the embassy was bad news. And I honestly don’t think he’d let Bibi dictate American FP the way current GOPers did with Obama.

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unproven innocence  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:27:18pm

re: #134 thedopefishlives

Oh, fuck… He really isn’t going to rest until he gets the ever-loving shit kicked out of us, is he.

The Ugly American in the WH brags about how little sleep he requires. So macho.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:27:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:27:38pm

re: #140 Ace Rothstein

If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying, and it’s only cheating if you get caught!
//

I don’t even want ot think about Brady and Trump talking about how much tehy admire each other. Go Falcons.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:28:06pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

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I like John Kerry. First person I ever campaigned for that ran for President. I was glad when Obama made him SoS.

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TedStriker  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:28:22pm

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

My wingnut friend who is wrong about everything had an amazing week of alternative facts. I felt like I should share them with you.

1. Population of Peru is 50% Japanese.
2. Islam was part of the founding of the Russian Orthodox Church.
3. Current CIA director converted to Islam a week before Trump’s inauguration.
4. Muslims are exempt from “Obamacare.”
5. The return of Patrick Beverly would mean no more triple-doubles for James Harden. (Harden had a triple-double in Beverly’s first start after his injury.)
6. Muslims that are American citizens are less American than him.

And in case you were all wondering, he voted for Trump.

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:29:21pm

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Okay, let’s be fair. I don’t think that Dubya, as bumbling and idiotic as his administration was, acted with malicious intent.

Cheney sure as hell was.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:30:04pm

re: #142 Ace Rothstein

Tell that to the citizens of Iraq.

I don’t think he had it personally in for any of them. Well, aside from Saddam and his cronies, with whom he definitely had an axe to grind. I figure that he was led astray by some people who had other agendas, which completely disregarded the innocent lives at stake.

re: #149 stpaulbear

Like that, for example.

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TedStriker  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:33:06pm

re: #149 stpaulbear

Cheney sure as hell was.

He isn’t Darth Cheney for nothing…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:33:30pm

re: #149 stpaulbear

Cheney sure as hell was.

Tom Cotton seems to be auditioning to be the new Cheney.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:33:54pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Tom Cotton seems to be auditioning to be the new Cheney.

Ugh. We’re still dealing with the repercussions of the original. I’d rather not suffer another one.

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:33:56pm

re: #24 Kilroy was here

I think the Washington Post agrees:

…White House press briefings are “access journalism,” in which official statements — achieved by closeness to the source — are taken at face value and breathlessly reported as news. And that is over. Dead.
washingtonpost.com

As Charles Pierce has pointed out several times, don’t fuck with Marty Baron.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:34:42pm

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Okay, let’s be fair. I don’t think that Dubya, as bumbling and idiotic as his administration was, acted with malicious intent. Drumpf, on the other hand, appears to be actively trying to completely destroy the fragile goodwill Obama worked so hard to build after the Texas Chainsaw Diplomatic Massacre left office.

Dubya came into office with two convictions: He was right about everything, and that Bill’s people couldn’t be trusted. Which is why when they came to him with what they believed to be credible evidence that a major terrorist attack was imminent, he blew them off and had his cabal of cronies convince him that the evidence was of questionable reliability because it had come from work done during Bill’s presidency. Likewise when it came time to begin orchestrating the Iraq War, he had an office created specifically to feed him the intel that “justified” the war, but then proceeded to hang the intel failures on the CIA when it became obvious that he’d been fed a load of horseshit at his own orders.

Hanlon’s razor applies when talking about Dubya and Trump.

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lawhawk  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:36:20pm

Tick tick tick…or is it drip drip drip:

Flynn is now added to the list of those that at least 6 federal agencies are investigating for their relationships with Russia. That includes Manafort, Stone, and Page.

Four of Trump’s inner circle are in deep - Trump’s foreign policy team has woven a web of Russian intrigue. And it likely doesn’t stop there…

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:37:16pm

...

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:37:52pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Tick tick tick…or is it drip drip drip:

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Flynn is now added to the list of those that at least 6 federal agencies are investigating for their relationships with Russia. That includes Manafort, Stone, and Page.

Four of Trump’s inner circle are in deep - Trump’s foreign policy team has woven a web of Russian intrigue. And it likely doesn’t stop there…

Watergate was the same way. It started with a bunch of burglars, and then it just kept growing all the way to 1600 Penn Ave.

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:38:04pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

I don’t think he had it personally in for any of them. Well, aside from Saddam and his cronies, with whom he definitely had an axe to grind. I figure that he was led astray by some people who had other agendas, which completely disregarded the innocent lives at stake.

Like that, for example.

He was hardly lead astray when he surrounded himself with these warmongers. I can’t believe you’re saying that Bush didn’t have it ‘personally’ in for the people he bombed into oblivion. They just happened to be under the bombs.

Sorry, but when it came to the Iraq war, Bush was a motherfucker.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:38:14pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Fair enough. I will reserve judgement until the whole story comes out, as it inevitably does. For all we know, the Rage Furby could be the new Cheney, working behind the scenes with some obscene blackmail on all the candidates he put forward for Drumpf’s cabinet.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:38:48pm

re: #17 Ace Rothstein

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Sean Spicer -
Information Secretary
Ministry of Truth

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:38:59pm
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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:39:22pm

This is how you treat a lady.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:40:06pm

Barbara Bush to be released from hospital tomorrow.

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Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:41:02pm

re: #156 lawhawk

I won’t believe it until I see it on Drudge with a flashing light.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:41:05pm

re: #164 Ace Rothstein

Barbara Bush to be released from hospital tomorrow.

That’s good. Was sad to hear about her latest spell. It would be tough for the Bush family to lose both them so close to each other.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:41:07pm

re: #163 Moebym

This is how you treat a lady.

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“Oh, thanks for delivering the package” vs. “Thanks for protecting the most important thing in my life.”

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:41:43pm

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:42:51pm

re: #112 Dave In Austin

Can’t stop watching…..

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HAAAAAA

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:43:39pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Well looks like Trump’s pal Brady is going to the Super Bowl. They teach you when you’re a kid that cheaters never win. Obviously those people never met Brady, Belichick, and Trump. Sorry I know there’s some Pats fans here.

You rang? Yeah, Pats fan and unashamed. And please to get over the whole deflate-gate crap—had nothing to do with this season at all. I’m just pissed that the yam has even ruined the excitement of having my team go to the Superbowl. I mean, what’s unusual about a native New Yorker rooting for a Boston team?

Oh, and he’s not going to the Superbowl because he’s Trump’s friend. Sorry, not sorry, that I’m happy for my team.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:43:51pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:44:25pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

That’s good. Was sad to hear about her latest spell. It would be tough for the Bush family to lose both them so close to each other.

I’ve met them several times at sporting events. 41 is a decent man, and surely does not recognize today’s GOP. His nickname while a congressman was “Rubbers” because he enthusiastically supported birth control measures and Planned Parenthood. Such support today would have had him excommunicated and probably accused of being un-American.

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:44:38pm

I’m wondering if the new administration is backtracking a bit on the ambassador “firings.” NewsHour Weekend tonight had an interview with an ambassador appointed by Obama who, they mentioned in passing, would be staying on. I believe they also backtracked on the Inaugural announcer, but he said ‘no thanks.’

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:45:10pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She’s ended up where she is through her own choices and I know that. At the same time, I look at those photos and I don’t see someone who is happy with where they are in life.

(Look, humans are complicated and I can feel multiple emotions on the whole thing. I get that the reader’s mileage may vary but please don’t give me shit for being human, okay?)

re: #91 EmmaAnne

He treats her like a piece of furniture. I share your complicated reactions.

Ditto. She’s window dressing, another possession to display. Were she to become disabled or disfigured (God forbid) through accident or illness I think he’d just write her a check (maybe) then walk away and never look back. I’m pretty sure she knows this on some level, so I have a hard time feeling much hostility towards her (so far).

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:46:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:46:53pm

re: #170 BeachDem

You rang? Yeah, Pats fan and unashamed. And please to get over the whole deflate-gate crap—had nothing to do with this season at all. I’m just pissed that the yam has even ruined the excitement of having my team go to the Superbowl. I mean, what’s unusual about a native New Yorker rooting for a Boston team?

Oh, and he’s not going to the Superbowl because he’s Trump’s friend. Sorry, not sorry, that I’m happy for my team.

Just when I was feeling better. Hey be happy. Just be prepared to hurl when him and Trump kiss each other’s ass if they win the SB. Oh and honestly don’t let it ruin your excitement. I knew some people who let Schilling ruin their joy of the Sox winning the WS in 2004 when he came out for Bush. Granted that team ahd waited 86 years and not 2. BTW I’m a little tipsy so I’m a little bitter. I won’t give you a hard time though because I consider you a friend and respect ya.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:47:31pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:48:28pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

I’m sure Fox News is all over this.//

Can you imagine if it was Obama, and the black guy that got snubbed was white?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:48:49pm

re: #172 Ace Rothstein

I’ve met them several times at sporting events. 41 is a decent man, and surely does not recognize today’s GOP. His nickname while a congressman was “Rubbers” because he enthusiastically supported birth control measures and Planned Parenthood. Such support today would have had him excommunicated and probably accused of being un-American.

His father was on PP’s board too. I don’t like what HW Bush said about atheists and being patrotic but as someone on the autistic spectrum, I do appreciate him signing the Americans with Disabilities Act and I admire the hell out of his WWII record. Contrasted with Trump, this was a young man who had all sorts of privilege and didn’t care and put himself in harms way. I would have voted for Dukakis and Bill Clinton but H.W Bush wasn’t a bad first full term to spend your early years with. (I was born the last year and change of Reagan).

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petesh  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:49:52pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Ditto. She’s window dressing, another possession to display. Were she to become disabled or disfigured (God forbid) through accident or illness I think he’d just write her a check (maybe) then walk away and never look back. I’m pretty sure she knows this on some level, so I have a hard time feeling much hostility towards her (so far).

Melania did a deal with Donald and he changed the terms (typical). She never signed up for this First Lady stuff but I imagine he’s got her by the prenup, and I doubt any court would rule that his election was an unbearable hardship …

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:50:24pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Ditto. She’s window dressing, another possession to display. Were she to become disabled or disfigured (God forbid) through accident or illness I think he’d just write her a check (maybe) then walk away and never look back. I’m pretty sure she knows this on some level, so I have a hard time feeling much hostility towards her (so far).

Surely she knows this, but she is an adult, she agreed to this deal, and perhaps it seemed the best option available to her at the time. I don’t feel hostility, but I don’t feel particularly sorry for her either.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:52:06pm
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calochortus  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:52:48pm

re: #178 Ace Rothstein

I’m sure Fox News is all over this.//

Can you imagine if it was Obama, and the black guy that got snubbed was white?

I’m not entirely sure that it was Trump who was doing the snubbing. It doesn’t look like the black guy turned toward him at all, or had a free hand to shake.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:53:16pm

re: #173 calochortus

I’m wondering if the new administration is backtracking a bit on the ambassador “firings.” NewsHour Weekend tonight had an interview with an ambassador appointed by Obama who, they mentioned in passing, would be staying on. I believe they also backtracked on the Inaugural announcer, but he said ‘no thanks.’

He ended up doing the Women’s March, LOL:

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petesh  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:54:04pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

A mate of mine in England was busted at a demo, had his glasses smashed and was roughed up by the cops, who booked him for assaulting an officer. He is about 5’ 6” and slight. The arresting officer was over 6’ and burly. The magistrate looked from one to the other, confirmed who was charged with assaulting whom, banged his gavel and said “case dismissed.” A rare triumph of judicial common sense.

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stpaulbear  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:54:43pm

re: #175 Kragar

LOL. I just noticed that the black guy switched the scepter (or whatever it’s called) to his right hand just before he passed Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:54:45pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I’ve read that the atheist comment has never been confirmed, do you know otherwise? I’d have a hard time believing a man with his intellect would say such a thing. Of course, I could be wrong.

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:55:44pm

re: #184 CuriousLurker

He ended up doing the Women’s March, LOL:

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I know.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:56:47pm

re: #107 darthstar

Wow…I suddenly find myself not hating the WBC.

If you spray shit on everyone who comes within range, eventually you’ll hit someone who deserves it. Don’t read too much into it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:57:40pm

re: #187 Ace Rothstein

I’ve read that the atheist comment has never been confirmed, do you know otherwise? I’d have a hard time believing a man with his intellect would say such a thing. Of course, I could be wrong.

Oh, I don’t know. I could well be wrong and it could be one of those things that is commonly attributed. The interesting thing is Ted Williams, the baseball player was a big supporter of his and if I rememebr Leigh Monville’s bio of Teddy Ballgame, Ted was an atheist or agnostic. Either way, I like H.W. Bush. I think his son was out of his league but the Republican Party would have been better served nominating him in 1980 and not Reagan. He’s a good guy. I’d love to be like him when I’m older. Full of life and a senes of humor (Did you ever read about the prank he pulled on Barbara). I always had the impression of him as a bit of a tight ass before then.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:57:54pm

Made me laugh.

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prairiefire  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:59:03pm

re: #183 calochortus

I’m not entirely sure that it was Trump who was doing the snubbing. It doesn’t look like the black guy turned toward him at all, or had a free hand to shake.

My thoughts as well

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scottslemmons  Jan 22, 2017 • 6:59:53pm

re: #183 calochortus

I’m not entirely sure that it was Trump who was doing the snubbing. It doesn’t look like the black guy turned toward him at all, or had a free hand to shake.

I think it was a joint snub.

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:00:37pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Just when I was feeling better. Hey be happy. Just be prepared to hurl when him and Trump kiss each other’s ass if they win the SB. Oh and honestly don’t let it ruin your excitement. I knew some people who let Schilling ruin their joy of the Sox winning the WS in 2004 when he came out for Bush. Granted that team ahd waited 86 years and not 2. BTW I’m a little tipsy so I’m a little bitter. I won’t give you a hard time though because I consider you a friend and respect ya.

Hey, because it’s a day for “alternative facts,” I’m sticking by my theory that Brady and Bel know that everyone outside of New England hates the Patriots so they came out for Trump to make people outside of NE want to vote against him.

Between rooting for the Pats and having no warm feelings about Melania, I’m really feeling like a stone cold bitch tonight.

Oh, and about the main article and his bullshit about Time Magazine—not even close to having the most covers—Richard Nixon, 55.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:01:04pm

re: #183 calochortus

I’m not entirely sure that it was Trump who was doing the snubbing. It doesn’t look like the black guy turned toward him at all, or had a free hand to shake.

Just as the Black guy comes into the frame you can see him swapping out the pike to his right hand.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:02:44pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Ditto. She’s window dressing, another possession to display. Were she to become disabled or disfigured (God forbid) through accident or illness I think he’d just write her a check (maybe) then walk away and never look back. I’m pretty sure she knows this on some level, so I have a hard time feeling much hostility towards her (so far).

The way that Donald sees her is as someone of suitable genetic stock to sire a suitable heir to his empire, and to act as a trophy for public events - and he pays her well to act in that role. To him, women are property to be used and exploited at his whim. He has proven time and again that he is a true narcissistic egomaniac who loves only himself, and desires only absolute unquestioned power for himself. Hostility toward Melania? Not really. I do feel pity though, as she will be jettisoned as soon as he feels that she is no longer required to forward his goals. He has done it twice before, and the word fidelity is not in his vocabulary.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:04:32pm

re: #194 BeachDem

Hey, because it’s a day for “alternative facts,” I’m sticking by my theory that Brady and Bel know that everyone outside of New England hates the Patriots so they came out for Trump to make people outside of NE want to vote against him.

Between rooting for the Pats and having no warm feelings about Melania, I’m really feeling like a stone cold bitch tonight.

Oh, and about the main article and his bullshit about Time Magazine—not even close to having the most covers—Richard Nixon, 55.

Well if it makes you feel any better, I volunteered for a campaign today. My job has made me more comfortable talking to actual people face to face or on the phone so I volunteered for the gubernatorial campaign here. The guy’s an underdog but he’s a good guy. Anyhow go Falcons in a couple weeks but it’s nothing personal, only sports. I’d root against those two even if I knew they were huge liberals but I won’t lie, knowing Tommy’s love for the Trumpy makes it a little easier. But I won’t be bitter.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:04:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:08:13pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

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Could it be education? No, no wait it’s Russia? Okay, I actually know the answer. Maybe it’s that Byron’s part whenever they get into power tries to come up with ways to punish women for having the audacity to decide to do what they want to do when they’re pregnant.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:17:15pm

re: #180 petesh

re: #181 calochortus

My lack of hostility towards her doesn’t by definition indicate pity. I don’t know the details of their relationship and have never been interested enough to go looking. My comments are based solely on the way he’s treated her publicly during the campaign and transition/inauguration.

The photo on the upper right in the tweet in lawhawk’s #79 speaks volumes. Michelle & Barack are being kind, touching her back to include her, unlike her husband who simply turns around and walks ahead, by himself. He didn’t look back until he noticed he’d walked through the door alone. Him I have no problem feeling hostility towards.

Obamas Welcome Donald Trump, Melania to White House

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:18:37pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:20:51pm

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Okay, let’s be fair. I don’t think that Dubya, as bumbling and idiotic as his administration was, acted with malicious intent. Drumpf, on the other hand, appears to be actively trying to completely destroy the fragile goodwill Obama worked so hard to build after the Texas Chainsaw Diplomatic Massacre left office.

Drumpf is so addled and malleable that his sycophants will get what they want.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:22:01pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

My lack of hostility towards her doesn’t by definition indicate pity. I don’t know the details of their relationship and have never been interested enough to go looking. My comments are based solely on the way he’s treated her publicly during the campaign and transition/inauguration.

The photo on the upper right in the tweet in lawhawk’s #79 speaks volumes. Michelle & Barack are being kind, touching her back to include her, unlike her husband who simply turns around and walks ahead, by himself. He didn’t look back until he noticed he’d walked through the door alone. Him I have no problem feeling hostility towards.

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I do feel bad for her a bit too. I was annoyed how she treated that one reporter though. I don’t dislike her the way I did Mrs. Romney though who I think acted like she and Mitt were entitled the WH. I’ve never gotten that vibe from Melania TBH and honestly I do hope she can do something about cyberbullying. Who knows, maybe she discovers in the process that her husband is one of the biggest ones of all and dumps his ass.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:26:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:27:51pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:28:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:28:29pm

And I am happy to say that no one I know has resorted to attacking Barron Trump We’re better than that shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:28:52pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:29:42pm

You know why the but Bill Clinton excuse is stupid? They spent the Clinton years arguing that Clinton was morally unfit to be President.

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:35:22pm

Instagram

I’m still perfecting two raccoons fighting (rp @sean_speezy & @asleepinthemuseum 👈)

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:38:08pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Women also haven’t forgotten that lots of socon dudes forming the legislative backup band for Trump want to regulate their vagina as a reproductive organ, to control their vagina as a sexual organ—but think “vagina” is a dirty word that shouldn’t be said in mixed company, women always tempt men, and a blastula has more rights than its receptacle-being.

(To say nothing of those wankstain MRAs and their particular variant of “all things emanate from outie versus innie crotch meat because I can pretend to science on a level that convinces Redditors that like Alex Jones.”)

So the whole pussy thing is multilayered commentary on dudes who have way to many opinions about pussy, but give no shits about the women attached.

So…dude is extra fucking thick.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:38:56pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

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Again, it’s amazing how stark the contrast is between the media’s approach to stories like this versus their approach to Hillary during the campaign. I remember last year when the conventional wisdom was that if the FBI was investigating associates of someone, that meant that they were working their way up the food chain and charges were coming “any day now.”

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:39:47pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

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I had a friend on Facebook try to tell me he never said it. I posted the video and told him he would be the first person I’ve ever unfriended.

He was a Bernie bro who hated Hillary so much he willingly entered the trump cult. I won’t miss him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:40:44pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

Again, it’s amazing how stark the contrast is between the media’s approach to stories like this versus their approach to Hillary during the campaign. I remember last year when the conventional wisdom was that if the FBI was investigating associates of someone, that meant that they were working their way up the food chain and charges were coming “any day now.”

Hopefully Trump doesn’t become the second Teflon Don. Though that one did eventually fall.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:41:36pm

re: #214 makeitstop

I had a friend on Facebook try to tell me he never said it. I posted the video and told him he would be the first person I’ve ever unfriended.

He was a Bernie bro who hated Hillary so much he willingly entered the trump cult. I won’t miss him.

Every Bro who declared “I can’t vote for her because she’s such a liar” deserves to be tarred and feathered.

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:44:11pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

Every Bro who declared “I can’t vote for her because she’s such a liar” deserves to be tarred and feathered.

Seeing a lot of folks on Facebook horrified, horrified I tell you! by the ascent of Fuckface Von Clownstick who voted third party because they thought Hillary was so corrupt. Fools they are.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:45:46pm

re: #217 teleskiguy

Seeing a lot of folks on Facebook horrified, horrified I tell you! by the ascent of Fuckface Von Clownstick who voted third party because they thought Hillary was so corrupt. Fools they are.

Yep, but if you ask them if they regret it, they’ll give you that smug smirk and say that they voted their conscience and we’re the ones to blame because if we’d just voted for Bernie “none of this would have happened.”

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:48:15pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Yep, but if you ask them if they regret it, they’ll give you that smug smirk and say that they voted their conscience and we’re the ones to blame because if we’d just voted for Bernie “none of this would have happened.”

It’s a vicious cycle of mental gymnastics that I won’t have a part of. I did that foolish exercise too long.*

*My vote cast for Hillary Clinton was the first time in my life I voted for a Democrat for President, my first presidential vote cast was for Ralph Nader in 2000.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:50:48pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Yep, but if you ask them if they regret it, they’ll give you that smug smirk and say that they voted their conscience and we’re the ones to blame because if we’d just voted for Bernie “none of this would have happened.”

I am sick of that shit. The vast majority of registered Democrats favored Clinton over him and it wasn’t even close. And secondly he’s still not even a Democrat. So why the hell should we have nominated someone to represent our party who doesn’t even want to be in our party. The other thing they ignore is how poorly Bernie was doing with crucial elements of the base. A lot was and I agree with it made up about how Clinton did with younger voters but those people never talked about how poorly Bernie did with minority voters and those voters and I say this as a younger voter are much more reliable voters than the younger ones. Plus Bernie’s hypocrisy about closed primaries while he was benefitting from the caucuses really ticked me off.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:54:09pm

For Stanley Sea

Smart Bird Walks With A Purpose
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:55:04pm

Biggest difference between Tea Party and anti-Trump movement?

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:55:12pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:56:02pm
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allegro  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:56:50pm

re: #223 Kragar

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I await breathlessly for tomorrow’s lies.

//no I don’t

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:57:35pm

I was at the San Diego march with Mrs. O’Aces and the kid. March biggest gathering I’ve ever seen in the city. We are talking about San Diego in the rain! I don’t think Trump understands the depth of the opposition.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 7:59:28pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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You should feel honored.

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:00:47pm

Today a guy got caught trying to smuggle a pound of weed into his checked luggage at the local airport. He got his shit confiscated and was arrested. If he had kept that shit down to an ounce he would’ve just been issued a summons to appear in court later. Ah, Colorado! How long with this be a reality under that racist keebler elf Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III’s tenure at the Justice Department?

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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:01:33pm

re: #226 Ace-o-aces

I was at the San Diego march with Mrs. O’Aces and the kid. March biggest gathering I’ve ever seen in the city. We are talking about San Diego in the rain! I don’t think Trump understands the depth of the opposition.

I don’t think Drumpf is capable of understanding the depth of the opposition.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:02:03pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Today a guy got caught trying to smuggle a pound of weed into his checked luggage at the local airport. He got his shit confiscated and was arrested. If he had kept that shit down to an ounce he would’ve just been issued a summons to appear in court later. Ah, Colorado! How long with this be a reality under that racist keebler elf Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III’s tenure at the Justice Department?

That is one thing I do worry about with Sessions. I don’t think we were on our way to federal legalization under Clinton but I do believe that a hypothetical Clinton DOJ wouldn’t be Dracoian.

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allegro  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:02:13pm

re: #229 austin_blue

I don’t think Drumpf is capable of understanding the depth of the opposition.

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Cheechako  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:02:16pm

No one’s surprised trump is obsessed with the turnout between his inauguration and the womans march.

He just has no comprehension of the significance between the two marches.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:02:46pm
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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:02:58pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Yep, but if you ask them if they regret it, they’ll give you that smug smirk and say that they voted their conscience and we’re the ones to blame because if we’d just voted for Bernie “none of this would have happened.”

That “conscience” vote argument infuriates me to no end. They KNEW Johnson/Stein/whomever hadn’t the slightest chance of winning, and that HRC was the only candidate who could keep Trump’s dangerous (if tiny) hands off of the levers of power, but they voted third-party anyway. People can, and will, DIE or otherwise suffer as a result of this.

Some “conscience” they have. It’s not even worthy of the name.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:04:12pm

re: #233 Kragar

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You know what, I wouldn’t go out of my way to punch Spencer but this is just stupid nonsense. I honestly don’t know the circumstances that brought on Spencer being punched but I have a really hard time it was totally unprovoked and it wasn’t just for his political beliefs.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:04:43pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Nazi ideology is provocation

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:04:57pm

re: #234 Moebym

That “conscience” vote argument infuriates me to no end. They KNEW Johnson/Stein/whomever hadn’t the slightest chance of winning, and that HRC was the only candidate who could keep Trump’s dangerous (if tiny) hands off of the levers of power, but they voted third-party anyway. People can, and will, DIE or otherwise suffer as a result of this.

Some “conscience” they have. It’s not even worthy of the name.

What continues to piss me off is how smug they are.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:05:44pm

re: #236 Kragar

Nazi ideology is provocation

What’s amusing is many of these same people think you should treat all Muslims like enemies because of DAESH.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:07:11pm

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:07:13pm

re: #187 Ace Rothstein

I’ve read that the atheist comment has never been confirmed, do you know otherwise? I’d have a hard time believing a man with his intellect would say such a thing. Of course, I could be wrong.

He has never denied it, though repeatedly asked about it.

Moreover, there is documentation for it.

robsherman.com

The information is about a page and a half long. Essentially it boils down to whether you would believe a reporter would accurately report what he asked a president, plus information you can get directly from the Bush Library about the exchange.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:07:30pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

I was hoping for an “Out the Door” miracle from O. But nope.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:09:38pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:09:49pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

What’s amusing is many of these same people think you should treat all Muslims like enemies because of DAESH.

Wait—what? Are you telling me Da’esh didn’t wink out of existence as soon as Von ClownStick started saying radical Islamic terrorism?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:10:06pm

re: #242 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:10:32pm

re: #243 CuriousLurker

Wait—what? Are you telling me Da’esh didn’t wink out of existence as soon as Von ClownStick started saying radical Islamic terrorism?

True fact but I once said Radical Islamic terrorism and got a free falafel sandwich.
#Alternativedeliciousfacts.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:11:09pm

re: #239 GlutenFreeJesus

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OMG, I am SO tweeting that. 😂😂😂

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:11:26pm

re: #229 austin_blue

I don’t think Drumpf is capable of understanding the depth of the oppositiona mud puddle.

FIFY

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Interesting Times  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:12:50pm
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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:13:16pm

re: #236 Kragar

Nazi ideology is provocation

I hadn’t noticed before, but the guy that punched Spencer has some bar fighting skills. Note he’s not using his fist (a good way to end up in a cast), but swings hard into him with his elbow.

Good technique.

(I posted this yesterday, but since people are suddenly defending Spencer against wanton and gratuitous assault, maybe we should admire the technique of the attack.)

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:13:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:14:42pm

re: #249 austin_blue

I hadn’t noticed before, but the guy that punched Spencer has some bar fighting skills. Note he’s not using his fist (a good way to end up in a cast), but swings hard into him with his elbow.

Good technique.

(I posted this yesterday, but since people are suddenly defending Spencer against wanton and gratuitous assault, maybe we should admire the technique of the attack.)

Hey, why not, we’re always told we’re just a bunch of liberal sissies anyway. Anyhow, I wouldn’t go out looking for a fight with Spencer but you know what, if I got called a cuck or some shit enough time by that asshole and his Nazi legion, I might do the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:15:20pm

re: #250 Kragar

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Glad Kander is still talking even though the election obviously didn’t go how he’d hope. I was really hoping he’d surprise and beat Blunt.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:16:30pm

Surprised it’s only 11:15. It feels later.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:17:01pm

re: #248 Interesting Times

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LOL

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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:17:27pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Hey, why not, we’re always told we’re just a bunch of liberal sissies anyway. Anyhow, I wouldn’t go out looking for a fight with Spencer but you know what, if I got called a cuck or some shit enough time by that asshole and his Nazi legion, I might do the same.

Hey, sorry about your Steelers, but I saved this for you:

Transatlantic Sessions - Swan LK 243

It’s the most beautiful song in the world.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:18:00pm
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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:18:47pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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A putsch?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:19:39pm

re: #255 austin_blue

Hey, sorry about your Steelers, but I saved this for you:

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It’s the most beautiful song in the world.

Thanks. Music is love as David Crosby said.

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:19:42pm

re: #257 austin_blue

A putsch?

Meet you at the beer hall.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:19:47pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Surprised it’s only 11:15. It feels later.

DAMN! When did it get to be so late?? It was 8:00 like 15 minutes ago….

Sheesh, I’ve gotta go. Later, lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:20:23pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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FIrst you gotta see having the support of Nazis as a bad thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:20:41pm

re: #259 teleskiguy

Meet you at the beer hall.

Party at the Hofbrauhaus! Drinks on Donald!

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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:20:45pm

re: #259 teleskiguy

Meet you at the beer hall.

I’ll wear my Brown Shirt!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:20:47pm
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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:21:02pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:21:02pm

re: #260 CuriousLurker

DAMN! When did it get to be so late?? It was 8:00 like 15 minutes ago….

Sheesh, I’ve gotta go. Later, lizards.

Funny how two people can see the same thing cand come to a totally different conclusion.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:21:51pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

What continues to piss me off is how smug they are.

It was especially irritating when a Bernie Bro on FB claimed the support for Jill did not affect the outcome of the election when, in fact, if the Jill supporters in WI, PA, and MI voted for Clinton, she would be President today.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:23:23pm

re: #221 Unshaken Defiance

For Stanley Sea

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We are fucking strong.

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coin operated  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:24:51pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

I’ve tried telling my 420-friendly friends the same thing….you’re only toking up thanks to the Obama DOJ

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:25:20pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:25:27pm

re: #263 austin_blue

I’ll wear my Brown Shirt!

Haven’t worn my jack boots in some time!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:25:44pm

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

It was especially irritating when a Bernie Bro on FB claimed the support for Jill did not affect the outcome of the election when, in fact, if the Jill supporters in WI, PA, and MI voted for Clinton, she would be President today.

If anyone honestly deserves the snowflake label, it’s them. I said it in the Spring but had Bernie been the nominee despite my problems with him both as a candidate and quite honestly as a potential President (Yes BBs, not all of us thought that Bernie was just wrong because we thought he wouldn’t win but had problems with him as a potential pres too), I would have still supported him strongly for the Presidency since the alternative would be Trump and I know Bernie at least has his heart in teh right place.

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:26:07pm

re: #269 coin operated

I’ve tried telling my 420-friendly friends the same thing….you’re only toking up thanks to the Obama DOJ

States Rights! See? Obama was a conservative after all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:26:23pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

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You can’t say no to Baba. Eastern European rules.*
*I’m assuming Ian’s grandmother is Eastern European anyhow.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:26:24pm

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

It was especially irritating when a Bernie Bro on FB claimed the support for Jill did not affect the outcome of the election when, in fact, if the Jill supporters in WI, PA, and MI voted for Clinton, she would be President today.

I’m still trying to figure out why one of my cousins in Michigan split her ticket between the Libertarian and Green Parties.

My wife the former Libertarian got on the phone with her and asked her “you do know the Libertarians and Greens stand for exactly opposite positions?”

Her response was “no.”

I’m guessing a lot of it was thirty years of “Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt” nonsense got to her.

Too bad she works in a public school: She knows precisely who Betsy DeVos is.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:26:38pm

re: #226 Ace-o-aces

I was at the San Diego march with Mrs. O’Aces and the kid. March biggest gathering I’ve ever seen in the city. We are talking about San Diego in the rain! I don’t think Trump understands the depth of the opposition.

The best thing about the march were the men & children joining us. POWER.

And truth.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:26:42pm

Could Trump and his staff interfere with ongoing government investigations into their inappropriate contacts with Russia?

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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:27:27pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

Haven’t worn my jack boots in some time!

Goose stepping into the future!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:27:37pm

re: #269 coin operated

I’ve tried telling my 420-friendly friends the same thing….you’re only toking up thanks to the Obama DOJ

Yeah an Ashcroft-Gonzalez-Mukasey DOJ would not have gone for legalization in the states. They would have fought it. I get that some people expected more out of this administration when it came to drug policy but they didn’t interfere with Colorado, Washington, and the other states that legalized at all.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:28:34pm

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

Could Trump and his staff interfere with ongoing government investigations into their inappropriate contacts with Russia?

Yes. Do you think Jeff Sessions would follow up with a recommendation for a prosecution?

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:28:39pm

re: #278 austin_blue

Goose stepping into the future!

Would you like to know more?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:29:17pm

re: #275 Anymouse

I’m still trying to figure out why one of my cousins in Michigan split her ticket between the Libertarian and Green Parties.

My wife the former Libertarian got on the phone with her and asked her “you do know the Libertarians and Greens stand for exactly opposite positions?”

Her response was “no.”

I’m guessing a lot of it was thirty years of “Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt” nonsense got to her.

Too bad she works in a public school: She knows precisely who Betsy DeVos is.

My one brother who really liked Bernie was a one time big Ron Paul fan. For many, it’s simply anti-establishment politics. I love my brother, he’s got a great big heart but he doesn’t have that pragmatic bone in him yet. That said, I think I did convince him to start voting more since he understands more now that issues are on the ballot. Baby steps.

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allegro  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:29:56pm

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

Could Trump and his staff interfere with ongoing government investigations into their inappropriate contacts with Russia?

Probably can with our government’s investigations. Can’t do shit about any other government.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:30:01pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Yep, but if you ask them if they regret it, they’ll give you that smug smirk and say that they voted their conscience and we’re the ones to blame because if we’d just voted for Bernie “none of this would have happened.”

Or,
“Well, I voted for a third party so I’m better than you because I think for myself!!

Seen that on my feeds. I HATE these people.

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austin_blue  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:30:02pm

re: #281 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Would you like to know more?

Bugs. I hate fucking bugs.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:30:49pm

re: #284 Sherlock Hound

Or,
“Well, I voted for a third party so I’m better than you because I think for myself!!

Seen that on my feeds. I HATE these people.

And they don’t give a damn about anyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:31:01pm

re: #284 Sherlock Hound

Or,
“Well, I voted for a third party so I’m better than you because I think for myself!!

Seen that on my feeds. I HATE these people.

As I said the smugness. I have a friend who I really like who is a LP supporter and he can get really smug. He’s better than most Libertarians though since he’s not in denial about racism, sexism, and other issues being a problem in our society.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:31:26pm

re: #275 Anymouse

I’m still trying to figure out why one of my cousins in Michigan split her ticket between the Libertarian and Green Parties.

My wife the former Libertarian got on the phone with her and asked her “you do know the Libertarians and Greens stand for exactly opposite positions?”

Her response was “no.”

I’m guessing a lot of it was thirty years of “Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt” nonsense got to her.

Too bad she works in a public school: She knows precisely who Betsy DeVos is.

There is actually one area where Greens and Libertarians overlap — on most social issues.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:33:00pm

re: #281 teleskiguy

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:33:47pm

Or “You’ll vote for who we tell you to vote for” or “I’m tired of the lesser evil.” But what I really hate is how their pet candidates are allowed to have bad votes or stances. AM, I know you supported Sanders and I apologize if I offend here but I hated how Bernie got a pass for IMO his poor record on guns, his poor record both voting wise and rhetoric wise on immigrants, and his one vote that was actually a bill he sponsored that many critics called one of the worst environment racism in recent years. That doesn’t mean I think Bernie’s bad FWIW but it does mean I think he had faults too that these types choose to ignore but would pounce on if it was someone they dislike. Really think if Clinton had the NRA’s backing all those years that she’d be allowed to excuse it as “just my state.”

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:34:10pm

re: #285 austin_blue

Bugs. I hate fucking bugs.

Giphy

“They sucked his brains out.”

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:35:07pm

re: #288 Hecuba’s daughter

There is actually one area where Greens and Libertarians overlap — on most social issues.

And other social issues they are polar opposites (public schooling, public finance of health care, science research, &c).

Essentially, the only social issues I can really see that they overlap on is the government not telling you what you can do with your body, and legal weed.

Moreover, with the neo-Nazi crowd now trying to gain power in the Libertarian Party, and the LP having no party mechanism for getting rid of them, they will look a lot more like the Republicans.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:35:24pm

re: #281 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Would you like to know more?

Yes, how did this military survive having apparently forgotten everything regarding tactics, effective armament, communications, and intelligence gathering that had previously been learned?

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:36:27pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Or “You’ll vote for who we tell you to vote for” or “I’m tired of the lesser evil.” But what I really hate is how their pet candidates are allowed to have bad votes or stances. AM, I know you supported Sanders and I apologize if I offend here but I hated how Bernie got a pass for IMO his poor record on guns, his poor record both voting wise and rhetoric wise on immigrants, and his one vote that was actually a bill he sponsored that many critics called one of the worst environment racism in recent years. That doesn’t mean I think Bernie’s bad FWIW but it does mean I think he had faults too that these types choose to ignore but would pounce on if it was someone they dislike. Really think if Clinton had the NRA’s backing all those years that she’d be allowed to excuse it as “just my state.”

The specific one that gets me is “Bernie voted against the Iraq War.” Even when I was supporting Bernie I knew that argument to be a red herring: Yes he did, but he voted to continue to fund it afterwards.

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:36:41pm

re: #293 Feline Fearless Leader

Yes, how did this military survive having apparently forgotten everything regarding tactics, effective armament, communications, and intelligence gathering that had previously been learned?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:37:00pm

re: #292 Anymouse

And other social issues they are polar opposites (public schooling, public finance of health care, science research, &c).

Essentially, the only social issues I can really see that they overlap on is the government not telling you what you can do with your body, and legal weed.

Moreover, with the neo-Nazi crowd now trying to gain power in the Libertarian Party, and the LP having no party mechanism for getting rid of them, they will look a lot more like the Republicans.

A lot of Libertarians aren’t even consistent on the doing what you want with your body one. I know plenty of so called libertarians who are anti-choice, anti-gay, etc. Granted I think a lot of those are merely conservatives in denial. I don’t see every Libertarian as a conservative who likes weed. I disagree with my libertarian friends but I do have respect for them to know their ideology isn’t that simple but I see a lot of people call themselves libertarians who clearly aren’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:39:41pm

re: #294 Anymouse

The specific one that gets me is “Bernie voted against the Iraq War.” Even when I was supporting Bernie I knew that argument to be a red herring: Yes he did, but he voted to continue to fund it afterwards.

Right. And honestly I hated having a progressive dick battle. I wanted the Sanders supporters to tell me why Bernie would make a better president than Hillary and honestly they never convinced me hence why while I started out as lean Sanders, I ended up with her after having been a big critic of hers eight years earlier. I also found her far more inclusive and willing to talk about things that matter to me. Don’t get me wrong. I’d love affordable college education for all American students but we need to do stuff once they’re there too so they succeed both there and in the job market afterwards. Getting a BA is one of my proudest accomplishments but it hasn’t guaranteed me a job per say either.

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petesh  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:41:51pm

re: #283 allegro

Probably can with our government’s investigations. Can’t do shit about any other government.

This is important. Every major government has an equivalent to the CIA; some of them often exchange data with the CIA, but still pursue their own interests (cough, Israel). And all of them will squeeze every contact they have to find out what’s going on in the U.S., and try to slant it to their own interests. Some may conclude that cozying up with Trump is the way to go right now, some may not. Britain and Israel probably do, on balance, but I’m sure that any agreement would be tentative; China and Japan and India and Pakistan, among others, definitely have different interests than the U.S. does.

For myself, I’d love to lose most of the foreign-based military bases the U.S. has, and NATO probably could use a bit of an overhaul — Blair and Clinton tried to do one, but even to the extent they succeeded, that’s almost 20 years ago. Some of Trump’s ideas are not, at root, nuts but severely undiplomatic, which means that in practice they are indeed nuts. Where are the grownups? Bring back Samantha Power! :-)

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:43:12pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Right. And honestly I hated having a progressive dick battle. I wanted the Sanders supporters to tell me why Bernie would make a better president than Hillary and honestly they never convinced me hence why while I started out as lean Sanders, I ended up with her after having been a big critic of hers eight years earlier. I also found her far more inclusive and willing to talk about things that matter to me. Don’t get me wrong. I’d love affordable college education for all American students but we need to do stuff once they’re there too so they succeed both there and in the job market afterwards. Getting a BA is one of my proudest accomplishments but it hasn’t guaranteed me a job per say either.

Well, I didn’t have to worry too much about those battles, because I stayed out of them at places such as Daily Kos. And when it became apparent that Sen. Sanders was not going to win the primaries, I threw my support behind Sec’y Clinton.

I had no illusions that Sanders would have had a real tough row to hoe against any Republican candidate. Everything from his honeymoon in the Soviet Union to his tax plan would have been thrown at him.

Turns out the GOP is the one who should have had Russia thrown at them harder … but who knew we had an FBI office actively rodent couplating an election.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:44:25pm

re: #292 Anymouse

And other social issues they are polar opposites (public schooling, public finance of health care, science research, &c).

Essentially, the only social issues I can really see that they overlap on is the government not telling you what you can do with your body, and legal weed.

True libertarians also are not in favor of imposing religious beliefs or controlling what you read or say. So maybe it’s more cultural issues where the two parties are not opposites.

On the other hand, they tend not to care about the issues most important to the Green Party; and the few who care about the environment want only free market solutions and not government impositions.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:44:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:45:15pm

re: #299 Anymouse

Well, I didn’t have to worry too much about those battles, because I stayed out of them at places such as Daily Kos. And when it became apparent that Sen. Sanders was not going to win the primaries, I threw my support behind Sec’y Clinton.

I had no illusions that Sanders would have had a real tough row to hoe against any Republican candidate. Everything from his honeymoon in the Soviet Union to his tax plan would have been thrown at him.

Turns out the GOP is the one who should have had Russia thrown at them harder … but who knew we had an FBI office actively rodent couplating an election.

See, that’s why I respect you. You acknowledge that Sanders had weaknesses. A lot of the diehard Bernie supporters I know and I include my own brothers among them ignored that. They just focused on the hypothetical polls that were taken well before any Bernie debate with a Republican nominee or any serious Bernie attacks by the RNC and their allies. And honestly despite what they say, I really don’t think Bernie would have done as well in the Rust Belt as they say. The “S” word can scare those voters so easily.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:46:49pm

re: #300 Hecuba’s daughter

True libertarians also are not in favor of imposing religious beliefs or controlling what you read or say. So maybe it’s more cultural issues where the two parties are not opposites.

On the other hand, they tend not to care about the issues most important to the Green Party; and the few who care about the environment want only free market solutions and not government impositions.

The free market absolutism is why I turn a lot of them off. They’re a diverse bunch though. Some of them I have a lot of common ground with and others may as well be Neo-Confeds since they think Lincoln was a tyrant. They always ignore when you point out that Jefferson Davis didn’t tolerate secession either, oh and the little fact that his country” was founded simply to protect the interests of slaveowners.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:47:19pm

re: #301 Kragar

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Kate McKinnon’s impression of her is hilarious.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:48:01pm

re: #300 Hecuba’s daughter

True libertarians also are not in favor of imposing religious beliefs or controlling what you read or say. So maybe it’s more cultural issues where the two parties are not opposites.

On the other hand, they tend not to care about the issues most important to the Green Party; and the few who care about the environment want only free market solutions and not government impositions.

Officially the Libertarian Party is opposed to the Public Accommodation laws.

In practice, that means they are opposed to freedom of religion or civil rights.

My usual argument against repealing public accommodation laws goes like this:

I live in a town with one store. The store owner knows I am atheist. If he chooses to ban me because I am an atheist, the next store is sixteen miles away.

That town also only has one store. If that owner, who also knows I am an atheist bans me, the next store is sixty miles away.

In theory, the idea of “my business should be able to ban anyone I don’t want to do business with” sounds fair; in practice, it legalises discrimination.

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Interesting Times  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:48:05pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:50:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:51:47pm

re: #307 teleskiguy

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Needs to be in Sotomayor, Kagan, or Ginsberg’s next opinion.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:52:03pm
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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:55:20pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

See, that’s why I respect you. You acknowledge that Sanders had weaknesses. (rest cut)

Thanks. (:: All candidates have weaknesses. That must be acknowledged or your candidate will lose.

re: #303 HappyWarrior

The free market absolutism is why I turn a lot of them off. They’re a diverse bunch though. Some of them I have a lot of common ground with and others may as well be Neo-Confeds since they think Lincoln was a tyrant. They always ignore when you point out that Jefferson Davis didn’t tolerate secession either, oh and the little fact that his country” was founded simply to protect the interests of slaveowners.

That free market that exists on the backs of the taxpayers to provide everything from land for railroads in the XIX Century to electricity in the XX Century to the Internet today. Yup, all built with bootstraps.

An unregulated market leads to feudalism. Or UniCorp.

I despise the phrase “taxation is theft at the point of a gun,” to which my counter is “taxation is the price of civilisation.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:58:26pm

re: #310 Anymouse

Thanks. (:: All candidates have weaknesses. That must be acknowledged or your candidate will lose.

#303 HappyWarrior

That free market that exists on the backs of the taxpayers to provide everything from land for railroads in the XIX Century to electricity in the XX Century to the Internet today. Yup, all built with bootstraps.

An unregulated market leads to feudalism. Or UniCorp.

I despise the phrase “taxation is theft at the point of a gun,” to which my counter is “taxation is the price of civilisation.”

Agreed on all counts. Another thing and this certainly isn’t all Libertarians but a lot of the ones that worship Paul and son but alot of them come from the Von Mises school in economics, the Von Mises School is big on telling its adherents to ignore real life data and just focus on theory. In that way, Von Mises Libertarians are actually a lot like diehard Marxists who insist if we just do what Marx wrote, we’d be fine. I admit it, I haven’t studied economics heavily but one reason why I’m definitely a Keynesian is that John Maynard Keynes valued real life data rather than abstract theory. Theory is great when you’re coming up with ideas but when it comes to real life things like economics that do effect real people, theory needs to be ignored in favor of what’s really going on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 8:59:22pm

re: #309 Kragar

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My state senator literally denies that spousal rape is a thing and he’s a fan of Al-Assad’s. He’s aptly named Dick Black.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:03:09pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

My state senator literally denies that spousal rape is a thing and he’s a fan of Al-Assad’s. He’s aptly named Dick Black.

And that spousal rape is not a thing is likely based in religious views.

My understanding is Sen. Sessions doesn’t think spousal rape is a thing either. I’m guessing a DOJ under him is not going to be big on prosecuting such cases.

In my own state, the idea of spousal rape being a crime is very recent.

Until 1976, state laws carried “spousal exceptions” to rape under which a husband who raped his wife could avoid conviction based on the marital relationship. However, Nebraska became the first state to abolish the spousal exception to rape. From that point forward, a rape defendant could not escape prosecution because he was married to his alleged victim. (State v. Willis, 394 N.W.2d 648 (1986).)

criminaldefenselawyer.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:03:23pm

buzzfeed.com
Who would have thought that talking about taking a country’s national resources might be one of their pet peeves? I mean it’s not like he said he’d put ice down the shirt of the back of the Iraqi President as a gag. Goddamn, this man’s FP is so reckless, so stupid, so ignorant. But hey economic anxiety amirite?

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:05:58pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

buzzfeed.com
Who would have thought that talking about taking a country’s national resources might be one of their pet peeves? I mean it’s not like he said he’d put ice down the shirt of the back of the Iraqi President as a gag. Goddamn, this man’s FP is so reckless, so stupid, so ignorant. But hey economic anxiety amirite?

Well, I would argue that not all Trump’s supporters are racists, but damn near all the racists voted for Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:06:00pm

re: #313 Anymouse

And that spousal rape is not a thing is likely based in religious views.

My understanding is Sen. Sessions doesn’t think spousal rape is a thing either. I’m guessing a DOJ under him is not going to be big on prosecuting such cases.

In my own state, the idea of spousal rape being a crime is very recent.

criminaldefenselawyer.com

That scares me about Sessions but I’m not surprised. No, that’s definitely not based in religious views. My grandparents were all Catholic like Black is and I can’t imagine either of my grandfathers thinking spousal rape was oaky. But eyah spousal rape is a frighteningly recent concept. I remember being shocked that the last state to criminalize it, NC did so in the early 90’s. Sessions is just agh so abd. I mean even if you buy the lies on his Civil Rights record involving African-Americans and I sure as hell don’t, there’s his record with LGBT people, there’s his record with the disabled. The guy is not an advocate for all Americans. The guy makes Ashcroft look like Bobby Kennedy. Okay, I exageerrate there but you get it..

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:07:10pm
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Kilroy was here  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:08:29pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:09:10pm

re: #315 Anymouse

Well, I would argue that not all Trump’s supporters are racists, but damn near all the racists voted for Trump.

I think a lot of them were indifferent to it. BTW there’s a great article on Buzzfeed by a woman of Arab Christian/Polish-Lithuanian descent who grew up in Wilkes-Barre, Pa who talks about how people like her who aren’t of exclusively European background were ignored when politicians talked about the Rust Belt. I found it very poignant. I’m of exclusively European background but there as a time where my own ancestors faced hostilty in those same areas because they looked different than their Irish, Welsh, German, and other neighbors. I guess that’s why I’m so bummed that my one cousin is a Trumper. Man, he’s a good guy. Makes us the best snacks every Christmas but he got Trump fever.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:10:01pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Well, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church makes no distinction between spousal rape and any other kind of rape.

2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.

vatican.va

(Not often I create links to the Vatican City.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:12:04pm

re: #320 Anymouse

Well, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church makes no distinction between spousal rape and any other kind of rape.

vatican.va

(Not often I create links to the Vatican City.)

I have a complicated relationship with the RCC. I love their advocacy for the impoverished, immigrants, and others but their ingrained homophobia and sexism bother me equally as well as the cover-ups of the child abuse.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:14:56pm

re: #317 Kragar

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This administration is the textbook example of Hanlon’s razor.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:15:52pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

I have a complicated relationship with the RCC. I love their advocacy for the impoverished, immigrants, and others but their ingrained homophobia and sexism bother me equally as well as the cover-ups of the child abuse.

It does appear that Pope Francis is trying to get to the bottom of the abuse scandals and root them out.

The Catholic Church as an institution has a very long history and like all institutions tend to resist change. That said, the Pope is trying to move it in the right direction.

Moreover, the Catholic Church isn’t the only church with those problems. Protestant churches do it too. The Catholic Church makes a better target for folks that don’t like them.

reformation.com

(listing of Protestant child sex scandals, culled from press reports, numbering around a thousand)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:18:35pm

re: #323 Anymouse

It does appear that Pope Francis is trying to get to the bottom of the abuse scandals and root them out.

The Catholic Church as an institution has a very long history and like all institutions tend to resist change. That said, the Pope is trying to move it in the right direction.

Moreover, the Catholic Church isn’t the only church with those problems. Protestant churches do it too. The Catholic Church makes a better target for folks that don’t like them.

reformation.com

(listing of Protestant child sex scandals, culled from press reports, numbering around a thousand)

Oh yeah I know. It’s definitely not unique to the RCC. And I agree with you about Francis, he’s been very good for the church.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:23:05pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah I know. It’s definitely not unique to the RCC. And I agree with you about Francis, he’s been very good for the church.

I get the impression a significant number of Protestants and atheists treat the Catholic Church the same way they treat Muslims:

One Muslim does something bad, it is a reflection on all Muslims everywhere in the world.
One Protestant does something bad, that’s “Well, Main Street Bible Church doesn’t reflect on all Protestant churches.”

I imagine even before Pope Francis took the Throne of Peter that the overwhelming majority of Catholic priests, nuns, &c would just as strongly oppose child abuse as any other person. The RCC just makes an easy target for those who don’t like it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:25:26pm

Okay time for sleep for me. Work in the morning.

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:26:30pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Okay time for sleep for me. Work in the morning.

G’night. I need to get off to bed too, I have a sixty mile one-way drive tomorrow to get insulin for the cat. Good thing the only vet doesn’t ban atheists or I would have to go to Cheyenne.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:27:32pm

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teleskiguy  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:27:56pm

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Anymouse  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:28:45pm

Small towns that had women’s marches:

huffingtonpost.com

Turns out the librarian in a town the size of mine in Minnesota thinking she’d be the only person had sixty people turn out.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:47:04pm
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Alyosha  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:50:46pm

This is beautiful.

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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:14:46pm

Earlier today, on another blog I follow, I tried to defend HRC when someone started railing against political dynasties, arguing that while it may amount to an unfair advantage for someone who has no relevant experience to run for office or get a job based on his or her name or family ties, Hillary Clinton was independently qualified to be President, and didn’t really need to ride her husband’s coattails or rely on the pull of the Clinton name.

The other person countered with the argument that HRC never would have even gotten all the opportunities she did in the past 15 years had it not been for the fact her husband was President, and at that point I was at a bit of a loss, since the Clinton name clearly does carry quite a bit of weight in those circles, and powerful connections they’d made during his administration would certainly have generated more opportunities than otherwise would’ve been available to her. I hold that this doesn’t, however, invalidate the argument that she performed well at her roles as Senator and SoS, and was thoroughly qualified for the role of POTUS.

Still, it did make me wonder how many votes she’d lost as a consequence of the general disgust with political dynasties, experience notwithstanding.

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retired cynic  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:21:13pm

re: #333 Moebym

IMO, that was quite minor. I never heard it around here. My guess is that Comey was #1, voter suppression was #2, Russians were #3.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:31:17pm

re: #334 retired cynic

IMO, that was quite minor. I never heard it around here. My guess is that Comey was #1, voter suppression was #2, Russians were #3.

It did pop up at least once. A few of us pointed out the same argument and it went away.

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retired cynic  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:41:24pm

re: #335 klys (maker of Silmarils)

When I said around here, I meant locally, not LGF. We’re a lot more politically questioning here, meaning LGF!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:42:06pm

re: #336 retired cynic

When I said around here, I meant locally, not LGF. We’re a lot more politically questioning here, meaning LGF!

Ah, fair enough. :)


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While Gorsuch Was Testifying, the Supreme Court Unanimously Said He Was Wrong About 40 minutes after Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch began his second day of testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, all eight of the justices he hopes to join said a major disability decision Gorsuch wrote in 2008 was ...
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Black & Missing in America - a Short Film Published on May 7, 2015 From OSCAR® and 16-time EMMY award-winning producer Arnold Shapiro and Director/Producer Marlene McCurtis - a short film that highlights the work of the Black and Missing Foundation, and their quest to provide a voice ...
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500 Missing — Why You Should Pay Attention to DC’s Missing Girls if You Attended the Women’s March Though months have passed since the Women's March united women around the nation in January, its mission to stand up for the rights of those who are most vulnerable cannot afford to slip into the background. And this applies ...
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Rewire -‘Issues in Law & Medicine’: A One-Stop Journal for Anti-Vaccine, Anti-Abortion PseudoscienceUnsurprisingly creationists aren't the only ones who produce fake academic journals. It turns out that anti abortion, and anti vaccination ideologues do the same thing, only in the case of "Issues in Law & Medicine," the people behind it, arguably ...
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Trump Did to Merkel What Men Do to Women All the Time Tuesday 21 March 2017 06.00 EDT Last modified on Wednesday 22 March 2017 11.22 EDT A few years ago, my husband and I ran into a mutual acquaintance at a restaurant. This young man – a person who would ...
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RNC Paid Intel Firm for Clinton Dirt As the general election was taking shape last summer, the Republican National Committee initiated a series of payments to a low-profile firm started by retired CIA officers that worked closely with an ex-Russian spy. The payments attracted attention in ...
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Whatever You Do, Don’t Say Yes When This Chatbot Asks, ‘Can You Hear Me?’ Another in my irregular series on privacy in our era, and how to defend yourself in digital venues. For your cell phone-Get TruCaller or some other good robo call screener/blocker. If you have an Ooma phone, set your virtual ...
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NOT ONE WOMAN: What’s Missing From This Photo of Politicians Deciding the Future of Women’s Health? President Donald Trump met with the arch-conservative House Freedom Caucus at the White House Thursday to try to hammer out a deal on Obamacare repeal. A major question in the final negotiations? Whether or not maternity care and mammograms ...
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A Third of Black Women in Study of Disadvantaged Neighborhood Have PTSD - Chicago Tribune Nortasha Stingley doesn't remember a lot about the weeks after her 19-year-old daughter was shot and killed nearly four years ago. All she could do was cry. All she wanted to do was scream. After Stingley lost 40 pounds ...
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How Trees Talk to Each Other Published on Aug 30, 2016 "A forest is much more than what you see," says ecologist Suzanne Simard. Her 30 years of research in Canadian forests have led to an astounding discovery — trees talk, often and over vast ...
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