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1 Sophia77  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:56:53pm

Exactly.

2 diamonda2u  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:23:31pm

I'm with you on this one! I remember at least in the 90's when TLC still showed learning. I was in Guam for a three month deployment in 96-97... not much TV as we know it at that time and definitely not on Guam. Me and the Chief spent those three months watching TLC and we joked how we thought we were qualified to now be doctors and do brain surgery or any other surgery because there were a lot of medical shows showing just about any medical topic you could imagine. We really did learn a lot. Honey Boo Boo, don't get me started. So many people in my own family are infatuated with that stupid show. I don't get it.

3 dragonfire1981  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:25:12pm

Better or worse are irrelevant. The private sector does it to make money. It's a simple as that.

4 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:57:59pm

re: #3 dragonfire1981

Does anyone remember the Mutual Of Omahas "Wild Kingdom"? Privately funded by an insurance company. How about Beakmans world? Commercial TV.
For a far more contemporary example we have Through The Wormhole.
[Link: science.discovery.com...]
Winged Planet?

My point is that good educational programming can and has been done by the private sector. I'm not saying to de fund PBS. I'd like too have both. I am saying that there is to this very day lots of quality science programming on from the private sector.


So given the premise above how do we explain all that good science and education programming since Reagan that did not go all Honey Boo Boo?

5 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 4:33:43pm

Cable tv is full of channels with names that describe what they once were about, but no more.

How about The History Channel? Seen much history there recently? Or then there's Arts & Entertainment, the home of six hours of Storage Wars programming most days of the week.

Yeah, I know, I'm exaggerating a little about Storage Wars, but not much.

Because it's so cheap to program, "reality tv" has completely taken over tv these days, and were all much poorer for it.

6 wheatdogg  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 4:41:44pm

re: #4 Daniel Ballard

Those are programs, not entire networks dedicated to educational programming. Not quite the same thing.

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 5:11:33pm

The problem is us.

If we didn't watch it, they wouldn't air it.

If documentaries of Civil War hospitals and re-enactments of Roman encampments had viewers, that's what they would air.

Mythbusters is still going strong, though. Dirty Jobs has a market. My boys watch How It's Made. The John Adams miniseries was terrific, and it was done for profit. Ken Burns rocks, and he works for PBS.

I do wish that the History Channel actually had history, like they used to, but in post-literate America, ALIENS will outsell documentaries about the Continental Congresses, because most Americans don't know what a Continental Congress was, who was there, or why they should care that Peyton Randolph died between the first and second.

This is sad, because I would prefer the real shows. When we ask for good, we will get good.

8 Destro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 5:36:00pm

re: #5 Skip Intro

Nice to see you here, buddy! I will also return to posting on The Peoples Forum soon, just can't do both now.

9 diamonda2u  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 5:48:44pm

re: #4 Daniel Ballard

Does anyone remember the Mutual Of Omahas "Wild Kingdom"? Privately funded by an insurance company. How about Beakmans world? Commercial TV.
For a far more contemporary example we have Through The Wormhole.
[Link: science.discovery.com...]
Winged Planet?

My point is that good educational programming can and has been done by the private sector. I'm not saying to de fund PBS. I'd like too have both. I am saying that there is to this very day lots of quality science programming on from the private sector.

So given the premise above how do we explain all that good science and education programming since Reagan that did not go all Honey Boo Boo?

Umm... to bad the shows you quote are from 4 decades ago... gone are the days of quality private sector education...it's about the dollar baby, not quality... they might stumble on quality bu accident but not by their own doing... reality tv is just to lucritive

10 Destro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:03:00pm

re: #4 Daniel Ballard

Does anyone remember the Mutual Of Omahas "Wild Kingdom"? Privately funded by an insurance company. How about Beakmans world? Commercial TV.
For a far more contemporary example we have Through The Wormhole.
[Link: science.discovery.com...]
Winged Planet?

My point is that good educational programming can and has been done by the private sector. I'm not saying to de fund PBS. I'd like too have both. I am saying that there is to this very day lots of quality science programming on from the private sector.

So given the premise above how do we explain all that good science and education programming since Reagan that did not go all Honey Boo Boo?

re: #9 diamonda2u

The television standards from that era where Mutual Of Omahas "Wild Kingdom" were on were different. Children's programs had to be by law educational. Television had to provide a public service to get to use the people's airwaves (news was a loss leader and was not there to make money but to satisfy that public service aspect).

Children's shows until Reagan de-regulated TV could not be based around a toy line and serve as a commercial for the toys.

I love GI Joe cartoons like any one (see my name) but the show would not have been made if Reagan did not deregulate. In any case the end of the GI Joe cartoon had some sort of life lesson and I think it was there to satisfy some last vestige of the regulations for children's shows.

11 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:05:23pm

re: #7 Mostly sane, most of the time.

We dropped our cable a few months ago when it dawned on us that we just weren't watching many programs that weren't on PBS and therefore available free. I do miss Mythbusters and a few other things, but if I really cared I could get them on-line (some free, some for a couple bucks a show.)

Reality TV is either boring, cringe-worthy, or both.

12 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:49:03pm

"A Vast Wasteland" Minow is still around. He wrote an article for the Atlantic a couple of months ago.

We need to give greater support to public radio and public television. Both have been starved for funds for decades, and yet in many communities they are essential sources of local news and information—particularly public radio, which is relatively inexpensive to produce and distribute and is a valuable source of professionally reported news for millions of Americans.

13 iossarian  Sat, Oct 6, 2012 1:15:51am

re: #10 Destro

re: #9 diamonda2u

The television standards from that era where Mutual Of Omahas "Wild Kingdom" were on were different. Children's programs had to be by law educational. Television had to provide a public service to get to use the people's airwaves (news was a loss leader and was not there to make money but to satisfy that public service aspect).

Children's shows until Reagan de-regulated TV could not be based around a toy line and serve as a commercial for the toys.

I love GI Joe cartoons like any one (see my name) but the show would not have been made if Reagan did not deregulate. In any case the end of the GI Joe cartoon had some sort of life lesson and I think it was there to satisfy some last vestige of the regulations for children's shows.

Great comment - pretty much demolishes the original argument that the commercial sector will produce anything of non-commercial value unless they are forced to by the government.

14 wheatdogg  Sat, Oct 6, 2012 2:16:15am

Cable TV was the game changer. When all we had was broadcast TV, the "airwaves" were considered a public domain subject to regulation by the feds. When it became possible to pay for specific kinds of programming via cable (and later satellite TV), broadcasters lost their corner on the market. So, instead of spending money to improve their programming to compete with cable, they took the easier way and begged a sympathetic Congress and president to remove some of those pesky regulations.

As long as cable and satellite TV subscribers are willing to pay exorbitant fees for dreck, TV providers will continue to offer low cost/low quality dreck. With such a low bar to jump over, broadcasters don't really need to work hard either to produce quality (read, expensive) programming. PBS is about the only provider left that offers decent programming, and it gets a lot of its stuff from the BBC.

So, privatizing PBS -- like privatizing passenger rail service or public education -- is just begging for trouble.

15 Skip Intro  Sat, Oct 6, 2012 10:59:13am

re: #8 Destro

Thanks. I finally found a registration window open so I went for it.

16 serving soldier  Sun, Oct 7, 2012 6:51:10pm

You say, "Then it was privatized in 1980 (Reaganism)" but Reagan wasn't sworn in until Jan. 1981, and the Democrats controlled both the House and Senate, so how was it Reaganism? In 1980 Jimmy Carter was still President.

17 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:08:11am

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