Video: Pat Buchanan's Inner Franco

Video: Pat Buchanan’s Inner Franco

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Chris Matthews has Paleo Pat Buchanan on his MSNBC show, leading to this exchange (at about 4:35):

Matthews: And that’s why you, Pat Buchanan, although you are a libertarian in many ways, you do not … no, you’re a nationalist actually … you are not what you like to call, derisively, a “democratist.”

Buchanan: No, I don’t believe there’s a great salvation in the political process at all. I believe in different, far different things. I mean I put democracy far down the line, in the … I think a devoutly Christian, conservative, traditionalist country, even if it’s a monarchy, is fine with me.

Matthews: Your Franco is talking, Pat … Franco is speaking even now.

Buchanan: He was better than the alternative.

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224 comments

Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:53:56pm

Note that Buchanan, like Ron Paul, is on the same page with Barack Obama when it comes to Iran.

eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:54:21pm

Mathews and Buchanan deserve each other. Rather like Ambrose Beirce's definition of marriage, each of them senses dominance due to the other's stupidity.

cheers

eon

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:56:03pm

Obama, Buchanan and Paul the Axis of Democratic Indifference.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:56:05pm

re: #1 Charles

Looks like they were trying to find a Republican who'd agree with Obama. It's a short list.

Dr. Shalit Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:56:06pm

"Brother" Buchanan truly has "issues" doesn't he? That is all.

-S-

latingent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:58:57pm

Francisco Franco is still.......Alive!

callahan23 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:59:21pm

What a fuckingly insane guy that is. Is he an elected official?
If yes, how can he put that in-line with his anti-democratic stance.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:59:51pm

Pat said something about the "Carlists" after the quoted exchange. What's that? They were throwing around some terms I haven't heard before.

Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 1:59:52pm

Actually, to give the devil his due (and Buchanan is the devil), he is right about Franco.

Francisco Franco was definitely the lesser of two evils in the Spanish Civil War, and any Jew who reached his border was automatically granted asylum. Franco hated Hitler, and liked to boast of his own Jewish ancestry.

(Just don't call me a Francoist!)

Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:00:55pm

I hope I don't get banned for that last comment!

; - ))

Sharmuta Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:02:56pm

Ugh! A student of history, he's not.

The_Vig Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:02:59pm

Pat Buchanan makes all of the lefts straw man arguments valid.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:04:08pm

re: #12 The_Vig

That's why they trot him out all the time. Check out the way they giggle when he endorses Franco. They couldn't be happier.

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:04:40pm

re: #7 callahan23

What a fuckingly insane guy that is. Is he an elected official?
If yes, how can he put that in-line with his anti-democratic stance.

He's not (thank God!) and elected official and never has been. He's a "free radical".

Rexatosis Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:05:05pm

Pat Buchanan is still throwing out the same "red meat" to the punditocracy he threw as Nixon's "red meat" speach writer forty years ago. Only now the "red meat" is beyond gamey, green, and putrid.

Sharmuta Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:05:16pm

I think a devoutly Christian, conservative, traditionalist country, even if it’s a monarchy, is fine with me.

America was founded by people fleeing this sort of government.

captdiggs Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:05:20pm

Buchanan has always been a dick.

Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:05:23pm

We had a commenter here at LGF once who was in favor of having a monarchy in the US. Quite seriously.

researchok Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:05:47pm

Imagine that.

Chris Matthews sounding reasonable when compared to pat Buchanan.

As for Obama and Buchanan on the same page re Iran, there is one thing that must remain unequivocal- American support for democracy and democratic values. That is non negotiable and that is something we never ought to hide or be fearful of expressing.

eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:06:27pm

Well, I do (sort of) agree with all three of them on one thing; John Edwards is an idiot, and he's self-destructing.

They think he needs to STFD and STFU. I hope Edwards keeps running off at the mouth, so people will see what a maroon they would have been stuck with as VOTUS if Eternal Lieutenant Kerry had won in '04.

/Although he'd still have had about twice the IQ of the present holder of that office.

cheers

eon

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:07:00pm

re: #6 latingent

Francisco Franco is still.......Alive!

Ah yes, back from the day when SNL was actually entertaining.....

Bloodnok Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:07:16pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

That's why they trot him out all the time. Check out the way they giggle when he endorses Franco. They couldn't be happier.

Yup. All they have to do is pull the string.

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:07:31pm

Killgore hit a homerun. MSNBC has been doing just this and finding willing participants with noteworthy names for years. Its what they do.

soxfan4life Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:07:46pm

re: #20 eon

Well, I do (sort of) agree with all three of them on one thing; John Edwards is an idiot, and he's self-destructing.

They think he needs to STFD and STFU. I hope Edwards keeps running off at the mouth, so people will see what a maroon they would have been stuck with as VOTUS if Eternal Lieutenant Kerry had won in '04.

/Although he'd still have had about twice the IQ of the present holder of that office.

cheers

eon

And we actually have a POTUS who makes Biden look like a better option every day.

HL MENCKEN Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:08:18pm

Pat is who he is, but is nonetheless right -- Franco was better than the alternative.

Bloodnok Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:08:52pm

re: #25 HL MENCKEN

Pat is who he is, but is nonetheless right -- Franco was better than the alternative.

That's not the argument.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:08:58pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

Jeez, you're smart.

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:08:59pm

re: #18 Charles

We had a commenter here at LGF once who was in favor of having a monarchy in the US. Quite seriously.

Charles, the longer I live the less I use the word "unbelievable".

soxfan4life Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:09:11pm

re: #23 LatinGent

Killgore hit a homerun. MSNBC has been doing just this and finding willing participants with noteworthy names for years. Its what they do.

You would think an intelligent person could figure out their scheme, or is having your face on TV that important?

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:10:26pm

Right wing media whores.....the worst.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #30 LatinGent

~~Right wing~~ media whores.....the worst.

C'mon.

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:11:34pm

Stand corrected.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:12:07pm

re: #30 LatinGent

Right wing media whores.....the worst.

You find Buchanan worse than Sharpton?

Both, in my opinion, are double plus un-good.

Ojoe Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #9 Mardukhai

Before Franco, Spain was total blood-letting anarchy.

& Franco arranged the succession to Juan Carlos (or his dad). And Spain is better.

I'm just saying.

Ojoe Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:13:25pm

re: #18 Charles

Forbidden by the constitution!

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:13:33pm

Ali Khamenei would like him, and vice versa

/sarc?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:14:22pm

re: #32 LatinGent

By the way, don't think I've had the pleasure. How you doin?

horse Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:14:33pm

The one person's benevolent monarch is other person's dictator. While that other person's benevolent one party politburo is the first person's authoritarian regime. Neither of them are actually looking to provide liberty, and neither are the mullah's in Iran.

eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:14:47pm

re: #29 soxfan4life

You would think an intelligent person could figure out their scheme, or is having your face on TV that important?

Some people are so insecure in their sense of self that they need constant attention from others, preferably a lot of others, to reassure themselves that they really exist. Many "metrosexuals" fall into this category, as do a good portion of "celebrities". To this sort of mentality, such attention is as necessary as air. Without it, their souls shrivel.

Being on TV, to such minds, is like a highly addictive drug. They can never get enough of it.

cheers

eon

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:15:34pm

re: #18 Charles

We had a commenter here at LGF once who was in favor of having a monarchy in the US. Quite seriously.

Only if I get to be monarch. I think "Padishah Emperor" would be a suitable title.

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:15:49pm

I`m FBV, thank you for asking. Happy Dads day, if it applies.

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:16:32pm

To all.

SpaceJesus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:17:55pm

so um, what is the lgf consensus on what the US should be doing?

Zimriel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:17:59pm

re: #18 Charles

We had a commenter here at LGF once who was in favor of having a monarchy in the US. Quite seriously.

Maybe it was me.

Monarchy, dictatorship, and tyranny are three different forms of autocracy. Monarchy puts sovereignty in one man's hands. Dictatorship is (in the Roman definition) a temporary executive authority on behalf of the true sovereign - presumably a Senate or some other form of legislature. A tyranny is a system where the masses have the sovereignty and the tyrant does all he can to keep the masses cowed and/or bribed.

Of these the tyranny is the worst form. Dictatorship is dangerous too, because a dictator might achieved his (constitutionally legal) role through demagoguery and terror - as with Caesar, and Hitler.

But monarchy can have a constitutional basis, and can lead to a more thoughtful system than a pure democracy with all its passions. Much depends on the character of the king, of course.

brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:18:18pm

re: #39 eon

Some people are so insecure in their sense of self that they need constant attention from others, preferably a lot of others, to reassure themselves that they really exist. Many "metrosexuals" fall into this category, as do a good portion of "celebrities". To this sort of mentality, such attention is as necessary as air. Without it, their souls shrivel.

Being on TV, to such minds, is like a highly addictive drug. They can
never get enough of it.

You just kinda explained my reason for not watching TV, I really don't want to be an "enabler" to such.

cheers

eon

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:18:33pm

re: #41 LatinGent

I'm FBV. You're LatinGent (which is a cool nic.)..

doppelganglander Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:19:31pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Pat said something about the "Carlists" after the quoted exchange. What's that? They were throwing around some terms I haven't heard before.

Asketh, and Wiki answereth:

Carlism is a traditionalist and legitimist political movement in Spain seeking the establishment of a separate line of the Bourbon family on the Spanish throne. This line descended from Carlos V (1788-1855) and was founded due to widespread dissatisfaction with the Alfonsine line of the House of Bourbon. The movement was strengthened following Spain's defeat in the Spanish-American War, when Spain lost many of its colonies such as Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines.
An exceptionally long-lived movement, it was a significant player in Spanish politics from 1833 until the end of the Franco regime in 1975 as a social and political force, and one of the main actors in the Spanish cultural war of Catholicism and Monarchism against liberalism and modernism.

In this capacity, it was the cause of several major wars during the 19th century, and an important factor during the most recent Spanish Civil War.

Even today, many Carlists remain politically active, although Carlism is a movement of scant political influence.

brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:19:40pm

that posted wrong... the last 2 lines were mine, sorry about that, eon.

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:19:46pm

Well, I`m the tall creepy guy thats been standing in the dark corner watching all of you. Glad to be here.

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:20:01pm

re: #30 LatinGent

Right wing media whores.....the worst.

Buchanan is just a whore being used as an example, by the media, of Conservatives (which he is not) and the Right Wing (which is unclear whether he even is now). He's the Left's favorite bogeyman because they know that whenever they put a camera in his face, something preposterous is guaranteed to spew from his mouth.

doppelganglander Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:20:19pm

re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm FBV. You're LatinGent (which is a cool nic.)..

Are you talking to yourself again?

Ojoe Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:21:17pm

re: #44 Zimriel

Or on the character of
The Queen

Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #18 Charles

I may not be in favor a monarchy in the US, but selling hereditary titles may be one way out of California's budget mess...

; - ))

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:22:03pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

so um, what is the lgf consensus on what the US should be doing?

Trying to figure out which is the opposite side to play?

I personally think we (America) should speak out loudly against all forms of repression. Don't think we should "do" anything (don't know what we can do).

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:22:31pm

Titles and land...slaves are made in such ways.

Wendya Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:22:38pm

re: #53 Mardukhai

I may not be in favor a monarchy in the US, but selling hereditary titles may be one way out of California's budget mess...

; - ))

Otherwise known as congressional seats....

eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:24:26pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Only if I get to be monarch. I think "Padishah Emperor" would be a suitable title.

Only monarchies have a worse batting average for long-term viability than dictatorships. Mainly because you either wind up with a weak monarch who is there solely due to primogeniture (Charles I of England, Louis XVI of France, Tsar Nicholas of Russia), or worse yet one put on the throne and kept there only by an army that rules him rather than the other way around (the era of the Barracks Emperors in Rome).

Even Shaddam IV was a classic example of this, caught as he was between the Great Houses of the Landsraad and the Spacing Guild. And that was before Muad'dib showed up to blow everything higher than up on Arrakis.

/Shaddam failed the test of one of Heinlein's laws; If you're going to put all your eggs in one basket, you'd better keep a very close watch on that basket.

cheers

eon

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:24:29pm

re: #49 LatinGent

Well, I`m the tall creepy guy thats been standing in the dark corner watching all of you. Glad to be here.

Hi LatinGent, pleased to meet you. You may call me "Duffer" if you like, and I promise not to call you a tall creepy guy. :)

Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:24:47pm

re: #47 doppelganglander

The red beret that Franco wore was a Carlist emblem, but he was never really a Carlist. He wore it to co-opt them. Instead, he re-established the Borbon y Borbon royal line under Juan Carlos.

doppelganglander Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #53 Mardukhai

I may not be in favor a monarchy in the US, but selling hereditary titles may be one way out of California's budget mess...

; - ))

I like it. I'll put in a bid on the title of Grand Duchess of the Monterey Peninsula, since I spent half a year there. My old apartment could become a national historic site.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:25:35pm

re: #49 LatinGent

Well, it's about damn time you decided to join in.

Challenger Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:25:40pm

Pat Buchanan = Fruitcake.

Just wow.

I'm conservative and Christian but believe in a secular, limited government. Can we kick these troglodytes back under the rock?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:26:14pm

Been out for awhile, don't know if anyone's linked to this.

Winston's blog links to this video on the BBC World Service's Persian site. As he says, at the end of it you want to cheer for the crowd.

The crowd routs a group of riot police ... BUT ... what's interesting is that those green camouflage uniforms are worn by the IRGC's crack anti-riot units.

heh!

capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:26:14pm

Somebody, please...get the friggin' hook already. Go, Pat, go...AWAY.

Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:26:28pm

re: #56 Wendya

Good one. But I was thinking along the line of "Baron of Cheviot Hills" or some such. Ought to bring in at least a couple of mill, you think? "Count of Beverly Hills should be worth at least nine figures...

tradewind Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:27:01pm

Arguably, some of the Euro nations might be better off under their former monarchies than with the idiocracies that run them now......
Just saying.

doppelganglander Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:27:41pm

re: #59 Mardukhai

The red beret that Franco wore was a Carlist emblem, but he was never really a Carlist. He wore it to co-opt them. Instead, he re-established the Borbon y Borbon royal line under Juan Carlos.

I did not know that about the beret, but I did know he announced his plan to restore the monarchy under Juan Carlos years before his own death.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:27:51pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Pat said something about the "Carlists" after the quoted exchange. What's that? They were throwing around some terms I haven't heard before.

The Carlists were (and still are) a party of Spanish reactionaries. They originated in a dynastic dispute over the succession to the Spanish throne in 1830. The old king knew he was dying, his wife was pregnant, and he changed the law of succession so the new baby could succeed him even it turned out to be a girl, which it was. The king duly died when his daughter was three years old and she was immediately declared Queen with her mother as regent. The king's brother, Carlos, disputed this since he would have been king under the old law. The Carlist faction formed and rallied around him. This sounds very quaint to us today, and many Europeans thought so even at the time, but the Carlists have been a factor in Spanish politics ever since. It led to an extended series of civil wars between 1833 and 1876. These were the primary cause of Spain's long historical decline accelerating the country right into third world irrelevancy by 1900.

brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:28:08pm

re: #65 Mardukhai

Good one. But I was thinking along the line of "Baron of Cheviot Hills" or some such. Ought to bring in at least a couple of mill, you think? "Count of Beverly Hills should be worth at least nine figures...

speaker of the house? priceless.

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:28:44pm

Thanks Duffer! If I`m not fishin` or huntin` LGF has been real boon to my spare time. Like minded folks that make sense. Rare here in the SF bay area.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:28:54pm

AMC - "Stripes" is coming on.
Urban Assault Vehicle!
Sahn uv beetch...sheet!

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:29:36pm

And maybe we can meet girls from Minsk!

albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:29:46pm

re: #66 tradewind

Arguably, some of the Euro nations might be better off under their former monarchies than with the idiocracies that run them now......
Just saying.

maybe...govt serves the will of the people...if not it should be junked and start over...turning your back while the state becomes powerful enough to repress you is cowardly and unpatriotic...people are first of all stupid, and second lazy

Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:32:13pm

re: #47 doppelganglander

Ah, thanks.

dmandman Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:32:15pm

re: #66 tradewind

Problem with Europe is still with the Aristocracy. They have cop-opted all of the good schools and while they don't parade the titles anymore they still value Noble Houses over the balance of the population. That's where the whole Elitist mindset started. As the Govenator of California about it. That's why he came to the US and not stay around as a form of Court Jester in Europe. In an interview, he says that no matter how excellent his grades were, his families background would not allow him into any kind of quality school.

callahan23 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:32:25pm

re: #63 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Been out for awhile, don't know if anyone's linked to this.

Winston's blog links to this video on the BBC World Service's Persian site. As he says, at the end of it you want to cheer for the crowd.

The crowd routs a group of riot police ... BUT ... what's interesting is that those green camouflage uniforms are worn by the IRGC's crack anti-riot units.

heh!

Hurrah for the protestors.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:33:52pm

Monarch does have its good points, I suppose.
Princess Madeleine of Sweden, for instance.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:33:55pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Pat said something about the "Carlists" after the quoted exchange. What's that? They were throwing around some terms I haven't heard before.

Spanish royalist movement, I believe.

albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:34:26pm

catching up here...VDH

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #48 brookly red

that posted wrong... the last 2 lines were mine, sorry about that, eon.

No problem. In fact, my opinion of TV is roughly the same.

/Mine is mainly used for old movies, actually.

cheers

eon

MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:36:04pm

re: #70 LatinGent

Thanks Duffer! If I`m not fishin` or huntin` LGF has been real boon to my spare time. Like minded folks that make sense. Rare here in the SF bay area.

Well, we do get a cockroach or two that sneak in from time to time. One 'sploded himself, just this morning. Pleased to meet you, help yourself to the open bar and hors d'oeuvres! The stuffed mushroom caps are really good today.......

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:36:44pm

Mmmm, shrooms...

albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:36:57pm

the best excuse for television is football...everything else is 2nd rate fare

eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:37:20pm

re: #73 albusteve

maybe...govt serves the will of the people...if not it should be junked and start over...turning your back while the state becomes powerful enough to repress you is cowardly and unpatriotic...people are first of all stupid, and second lazy

Which is exactly the rationale' "progressives" use to justify creating their Platonic "Dictatorship(s) of the Chosen".

"We have to run things- everybody else is too stupid to know what's good for them."

cheers

eon

Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:37:34pm

Pukecannon gets pwed by Mr. Leg Tingle! What a chump Pat is.

yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:37:54pm

rat pukanan FEH

Sharmuta Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:37:59pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

so um, what is the lgf consensus on what the US should be doing?

That we should send you- the mullahs wouldn't last 24 hours with you.

Irenicum Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:38:32pm

re: #35 Ojoe

Ironic then that Pat ends up being anti-Constitution!

soxfan4life Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:38:35pm

re: #83 albusteve

the best excuse for television is football...everything else is 2nd rate fare

The majority of my television time is sports and news, we went to the movies today and the wife and I left the theater with the same thought, the movie industry has gone way downhill.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:40:03pm

re: #72 LatinGent

And maybe we can meet girls from Minsk!

My great grandparents were from near Minsk. They left. Smart people.

brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:40:33pm

re: #89 soxfan4life

The majority of my television time is sports and news, we went to the movies today and the wife and I left the theater with the same thought, the movie industry has gone way downhill.

I wasn't going to go there, but I can't in good faith support hollywood either.

albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:40:41pm

re: #89 soxfan4life

The majority of my television time is sports and news, we went to the movies today and the wife and I left the theater with the same thought, the movie industry has gone way downhill.

every movie has already been made...or whatever the cliche is...I like real stuff, not make believe...they said Steinfelt was a good show tho

LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:40:51pm

Change The Mullahs opinions? May I suggest beer and hot wings at Hooters? They`ll either all die from collective heart attacks or they will finally see their lifelong folly.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:40:58pm

re: #66 tradewind

Arguably, some of the Euro nations might be better off under their former monarchies than with the idiocracies that run them now......
Just saying.

Monarchy is an abomination. I'm with Mr. Paine on this one.

Achilles Tang Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:41:00pm

I think a devoutly ~~Christian~~ Islamic, conservative, traditionalist country, even if it’s a monarchy, is fine with me.

All he has to do is change religion and call God Allah and move to Saudi, or Iran. How hard is that?

Good grief

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:41:15pm

Madeleine's older sister, Crown Princess Victoria Bernadotte, also does nothing to harm the royal image.

To show how tangled the European dynastic lines really are, Victoria is also 192nd in the line of succession to the British throne, through "through her father, who is a great-great-grandson of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom, thus making him (along with the Queen of Denmark and the King of Spain) a third cousin of Queen Elizabeth II."

Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:42:57pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

That we should send you- the mullahs wouldn't last 24 hours with you.

No kidding. When he gets going, SJ is so annoying that most of the mullahs would killed themselves just to get away from him.

/mostly kidding

Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:43:05pm

re: #66 tradewind

Now you're getting into a real historical conundrum. You are absolutely right, the abolition of monarchies was a uniform disaster, everywhere except possibly China.

The succeeding regimes were unstable, considered illegitimate by vast sections of the populace. Most were followed by destructive tyrannies that were much worse than the crowns they replaced. Germany, Austria, Russia, Serbia, Ethiopia and France are obvious examples. Iran goes without saying.

Others, such as in Greece and India were replaced by unstable pseudo-democratic tyrannies. It took a long time for those countries to find their center. Brazil is one country that has recognized this, and recently had a plebiscite on a restoration. It lost, but the action finally made the republic a legitimate choice of the people.

Unlike Charles' unnamed poster, I am not in favor of a monarchy in the US. It isn't needed. I'm just a journalist and historian, I report what I observe.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:43:45pm

re: #75 dmandman

Problem with Europe is still with the Aristocracy. They have cop-opted all of the good schools and while they don't parade the titles anymore they still value Noble Houses over the balance of the population. That's where the whole Elitist mindset started. As the Govenator of California about it. That's why he came to the US and not stay around as a form of Court Jester in Europe. In an interview, he says that no matter how excellent his grades were, his families background would not allow him into any kind of quality school.

I spent a little time living in England, and the old class structure is very obvious, and to me, jarring, although I hear things are better than they used to be.

Molly Ivins, who we were remembering last night, was right: our Founders were 'some of the smartest sumbitches there ever were'.

100

yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:44:12pm

OBAMA SAYS PRESENT ON IRAN way to go zero.

zero you still want to shake the short shit's blood covered hands.

101

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:44:30pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

Monarch does have its good points, I suppose.
Princess Madeleine of Sweden, for instance.

She is a very pretty girl, but I'm sure she would look just as nice without her title.

102

soxfan4life Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:45:58pm

re: #100 yochanan

OBAMA SAYS PRESENT ON IRAN way to go zero.

zero you still want to shake the short shit's blood covered hands.

I'm assuming you're saying shaking hands while meaning kissing ass.

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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #88 Irenicum

Ironic then that Pat ends up being anti-Constitution!

Nothing ironic about that. Pat was foursquare in favor of the Assault Weapon Ban, the 2nd Amendment be d***ed. And he was Nixon's press secretary; Tricky Dick's devotion to the Constitution was about as deep and sincere as Bill Clinton's. (The difference was, Bill was more photogenic.)

Buchanan has always been a supremacist, operating on the principle of "I have the power, so I'm always right, and what you think doesn't count". And he's at least as good at believing two or more contradictory things at once as the average progressive, while insisting that they're not really contradictory; rather, you're just too dumb to realize how smart he is.

/Calling him a "paleoconservative" is an insult- to the Paleolithic Era.

cheers

eon

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Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:46:25pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

If there were no real princesses, who could my daughter, when she was four, dream about?

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yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:46:40pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

is it now a royal boobie thread
vs a rat pukanan boobie hatch

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quickjustice Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:46:45pm

As between Hitler and Stalin, who was better? Buchanan picks Franco, the proxy for Hitler. The Spanish Republican government did fall into the hands of the communists eventually, but Stalin stole all of the gold in the Spanish Treasury under pretext of removing it from the country for safekeeping.

Have the Russians ever returned that gold? And why should I waste one breath arguing about which was better?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:47:05pm

re: #102 soxfan4life

I'm assuming you're saying shaking hands while meaning kissing ass.

You can do both at once. Diplomatic Twister game!

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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:47:14pm

Like Luap Nor, Buchanan seems to think libertarian means "liberty for Aryans".

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:47:17pm

re: #98 Mardukhai

Now you're getting into a real historical conundrum. You are absolutely right, the abolition of monarchies was a uniform disaster, everywhere except possibly China.

The succeeding regimes were unstable, considered illegitimate by vast sections of the populace. Most were followed by destructive tyrannies that were much worse than the crowns they replaced. Germany, Austria, Russia, Serbia, Ethiopia and France are obvious examples. Iran goes without saying.

Others, such as in Greece and India were replaced by unstable pseudo-democratic tyrannies. It took a long time for those countries to find their center. Brazil is one country that has recognized this, and recently had a plebiscite on a restoration. It lost, but the action finally made the republic a legitimate choice of the people.

Unlike Charles' unnamed poster, I am not in favor of a monarchy in the US. It isn't needed. I'm just a journalist and historian, I report what I observe.

Agreed. But we were founded so as not to need a king. In many places a royal family can lend a sense of stability.

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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:47:39pm

re: #83 albusteve

the best excuse for television is football...everything else is 2nd rate fare

*cough*
Basketball?

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:48:32pm

re: #103 eon

Nothing ironic about that. Pat was foursquare in favor of the Assault Weapon Ban, the 2nd Amendment be d***ed. And he was Nixon's press secretary; Tricky Dick's devotion to the Constitution was about as deep and sincere as Bill Clinton's. (The difference was, Bill was more photogenic.)

Buchanan has always been a supremacist, operating on the principle of "I have the power, so I'm always right, and what you think doesn't count". And he's at least as good at believing two or more contradictory things at once as the average progressive, while insisting that they're not really contradictory; rather, you're just too dumb to realize how smart he is.

/Calling him a "paleoconservative" is an insult- to the Paleolithic Era.

cheers

eon

Naked worship of power is a sign that the worshiper should not be trusted with power.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:48:43pm

re: #105 yochanan

is it now a royal boobie thread
vs a rat pukanan boobie hatch

I vote for the royal boobies. Or any boobies for that matter.

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JacksonTn Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:49:00pm

It is so hot outside ... I can only take so much before need a/c ...

I think the last paragraph of the statement needs a little tweaking ...

UN Human Rights Council Organizational Meeting of the 4th Cycle

Statement by the Delegation of the United States
Delivered by Charge d’Affaires, a.i. Mark C. Storella
June 19, 2009

*snip*

For our part, the United States hopes to reinforce the ability of this Council to speak with one voice about situations that are an affront to human dignity.

We will also be stalwart in our promotion of universality, transparency, and objectivity and we urge other members to dedicate themselves to these goals as well. We are mindful that adherence to these principles requires that all states be subject to review by this body, including our own.

The United States further commits to continuing to be a strong advocate for all people who suffer from abuse and oppression, and to be a tireless defender of courageous individuals across the globe who work, often at great personal risk, on behalf of the rights of others.

On this day in 1865, Union soldiers rode into Galveston, Texas to carry the news of the end of the U.S. Civil War and to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation. With their arrival, word finally reached the frontiers of the United States that the war had ended, that slaves were free.

It is a day of celebration and solemn remembrance for Americans. We recognize that it has been a very long and difficult journey from 1865 to 2009; and that journey is not yet complete. However over the course of these years, the promotion and protection of human rights has become an ever-deepening fundamental value in American society. We look forward to sharing our national experience in pursuit of the enduring challenge of achieving these ideals, while also standing in solidarity with all those who promote the advance of human rights around the world.

[Link: geneva.usmission.gov...]

***

Can somebody tell me what we get from being a part of the U.N. ... and why we allow it to take up prime real estate in our country? ...

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yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:49:01pm

re: #102 soxfan4life

works for me

fox is doing a good job covering this any reports on the obama networks?

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albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:49:28pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

*cough*
Basketball?

basketball falls in right behind How It's Made....so it's right up there, sorta

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Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:49:43pm

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Like Luap Nor, Buchanan seems to think libertarian means "liberty for Aryans".

The Persians consider themselves the real "Aryans," hence Iran. In that sense, I think that "Liberty for the Aryans" is a fitting slogan for the immediate crisis.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:50:10pm

re: #106 quickjustice

As between Hitler and Stalin, who was better? Buchanan picks Franco, the proxy for Hitler. The Spanish Republican government did fall into the hands of the communists eventually, but Stalin stole all of the gold in the Spanish Treasury under pretext of removing it from the country for safekeeping.

Have the Russians ever returned that gold? And why should I waste one breath arguing about which was better?

Russians don't return gold. Leading to at least a dozen thrillers on whatever happened to the Trojan collection.

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yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:50:21pm

re: #106 quickjustice

the stalinist also liquadated the non communist republican left

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Bloodnok Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:51:49pm

This is an example of the Unconstrained Vision (as explained by Dr. Thomas Sowell in A Conflict of Visions). Absolute power in one individual is okay and can shape a society correctly -as long as it is the correct individual.

I don't buy that POV.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:51:53pm

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Like Luap Nor, Buchanan seems to think libertarian means "liberty for Aryans".

I think the thought process is "I'm being oppressed, because our stupid society insists on everyone getting the same stuff, even though I should get better stuff, because I'm better. Inferior people getting the same rights as me is them getting special treatment."

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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:51:57pm

re: #115 albusteve

basketball falls in right behind How It's Made....so it's right up there, sorta

LOL

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albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:52:17pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

A big, steaming plate of Franco-American Spaghetti for Pat Buchanan, and another one for Chris Matthews.

don't forget the symbolic weiners

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:52:19pm

OT: This really should have been posted two threads back but I was literally out to lunch. I dislike Barack Obama immensely, but I must admit that as a father, he had truly learned from the mistakes his own father made and has done better. I'm reposting this letter he wrote in the interests of credit where credit is due and warding off ODS:

I have been an imperfect father

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NY Nana Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

/And Francisco Franco is still dead.

Youtube Video

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dapperdave Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:52:35pm

I don't mind the U.S. becoming a monarchy as long as I become the king/

Youtube Video

Ahhh, it's good to be the king!

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brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:52:50pm

re: #113 JacksonTn

"We are mindful that adherence to these principles requires that all states be subject to review by this body, including our own."

be afraid...

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Nevergiveup Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:53:22pm

On this Father's Day fuck Pat Buchanan. And that's about All I have to say on the matter.

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sngnsgt Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:53:32pm

Tweety-bird is a tool.

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soxfan4life Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:53:56pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Do you think he will write I have been an ~~imperfect~~impotent President?

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[deleted] Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:54:00pm

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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:54:08pm

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

A senior bishop has backed the move, which is part of a Church of England initiative to put a Christian emphasis on the annual celebration of fatherhood.

Concerns over the lack of men attending services year-round has led clergy to offer a range of incentives today, including free beer, bacon rolls and chocolate bars.

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yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:54:53pm

re: #128 Nevergiveup

they don't make a rain coat strong enough.

would not touch rat pukananan

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Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:55:03pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. But we were founded so as not to need a king. In many places a royal family can lend a sense of stability.

Precisely my point. We had a Founding Father, George Washington who really was above criticism. He established a stable office of the presidency. A king who refused a crown.

And we still have a living king, our constitution -- which may be revered a bit too much, which is why Delaware has as many votes in the Senate as California. But changing it would threaten the legitimacy of the constitution and the government itself.

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brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:55:08pm

re: #128 Nevergiveup

On this Father's Day fuck Pat Buchanan. And that's about All I have to say on the matter.

still getting rejections from Hallmark, I see :)

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MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:55:27pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

Monarchy is an abomination. I'm with Mr. Paine on this one.

Monarchy? We already have a Messiahocracy, and look how bad it's gotten. What we need is to get back to is the republican democracy we started with.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:55:29pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

Blink. Blink. Blink.

Huh?

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Nevergiveup Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:55:48pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

I think that's a great idea for Synagogues also, save the bacon rolls?

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pat Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:55:58pm

Buchanan has devolved into full blown lunacy. I am glad he left the GOP.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:56:47pm

re: #130 soxfan4life

Do you think he will write I have been an ~~imperfect~~impotent President?

He won't but he should.

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NY Nana Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:57:10pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

I can think of a few things I would like to see them eat...anyone have a dog that isn't trained yet? My toddler grandson could 'donate' if needed. A dog he ain't! ;)

/I wonder if little Chrissie Matthews felt that tingle go up his leg?

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albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:57:44pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

if you can't win on merit, bribe them with booze...I like it

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LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:57:45pm

Check out Rasmussen. The O is falling.

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[deleted] Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:59:10pm

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Mardukhai Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:59:49pm

re: #136 MacDuff

Ancient Sparta was a republic, and a democracy, but it also had two kings at a time. Sometimes terms don't make sense.

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CynicalConservative Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:59:49pm

re: #143 LatinGent

Check out Rasmussen. The O is falling.

I'm sure Avanti will be here in a few minutes to dispute your poll with his poll.

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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 2:59:51pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

Ooh. Bacon rolls.

I'll take those, you can have the beer and chocolate.

cheers

eon

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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:00:33pm

My nick is blue again in case you want to join my little Facebook or Twitter circle.

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MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:00:37pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

Mmmm, beer and bacon rolls....did it give an address? I'm not a member of the Church of England, but I'll convert!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

In Japan, cranes are made of folded paper and commemorate those who died in the atomic blasts.

In Iran, cranes are made of steel, and those convicted of homosexual acts dangle from them to the delight of the crowd.

Just like the mullahs. They take an instrument of construction, and turn it into a means of death. What a rancid bunch of shitbirds.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #142 albusteve

If church was fun or useful people would go more. Hell, I might even show up.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:01:37pm

NIAC has more regarding the Assembly of Experts.

(Remember the HIGHLY questionable story about the AofE endorsing Khamenei? This is damned relevant, casting the other in a light of desperate propaganda.)

Scroll down to the 1:54pm update -- just below the "Tehran June 21st" video.

Notice that al-Sistani has a representative there. This makes that meeting (if, in fact, it's going on) a Shi'a powerhouse.

If such a change is to be made in the very structure of the government, the Assembly of Experts is the only body which can do it. IIRC, not even the Supreme Leader has such power.

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NY Nana Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #143 LatinGent

Check out Rasmussen. The O is falling.

And here is the good news!

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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:02:02pm

re: #145 Mardukhai

Ancient Sparta was a republic, and a democracy, but it also had two kings at a time. Sometimes terms don't make sense.

The Roman Republic always had two consuls for a given year. The most common way to identify what year something happened was to reference the names of the consuls at the time.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:03:05pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Praise the Lord and beer me....
Bottles of beer will be given to fathers who attend church, in an alternative "blessing" for Father's Day.

Killgore, back off.
You're being quite overbeering.

/ :D

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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:03:46pm

And in the news, Bat Puchanan is still not dead.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:03:59pm

re: #34 Ojoe

Before Franco, Spain was total blood-letting anarchy.

& Franco arranged the succession to Juan Carlos (or his dad). And Spain is better.

I'm just saying.

Arriving very late to this thread, sorry. Churchill had good things to say about Franco, not in neccessarily approving his form of government, but in the valuable services he rendered the WWII allies, i.e., by making Hiter think Spain's entry into the war was imminent, while having no such intentions.

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Nevergiveup Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:04:20pm

I just got yelled at and on father's day to boot. My fat cat who for some reason is all over me today, jumped off my bed onto my beer as I am sitting in front of it blogging and watching the Yankee game. I saw him look at me and then at my beer and then back at me. I knew what he was thinking, but he was to fast for me and I only got my hand on the beer as he landed on it and my hand and some spilled. And my wife and daughter say it's my fault? Ya just can't win?

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albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:05:34pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

If church was fun or useful people would go more. Hell, I might even show up.

I attended a little Methodist church in my village in MI...learned alot about gardening and tree pruning...lots of bake sales and recipe swapping...basketball and vollyball with the kids..all kinds of groovy stuff...the attraction for me was the derth of gospel....15min at the end of an hour

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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:06:12pm

re: #143 LatinGent

Check out Rasmussen. The O is falling.

Thanks for the heads up. I just subscribed to the free daily update.

/If I'm going to be a political geek, I might as well go all the way, I figure.

cheers

eon

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:06:24pm

re: #159 Nevergiveup

I just got yelled at and on father's day to boot. My fat cat who for some reason is all over me today, jumped off my bed onto my beer as I am sitting in front of it blogging and watching the Yankee game. I saw him look at me and then at my beer and then back at me. I knew what he was thinking, but he was to fast for me and I only got my hand on the beer as he landed on it and my hand and some spilled. And my wife and daughter say it's my fault? Ya just can't win?

I hear that Chinese restaurants pay money for cats.

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Truck Monkey Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:07:11pm

re: #159 Nevergiveup

I just got yelled at and on father's day to boot. My fat cat who for some reason is all over me today, jumped off my bed onto my beer as I am sitting in front of it blogging and watching the Yankee game. I saw him look at me and then at my beer and then back at me. I knew what he was thinking, but he was to fast for me and I only got my hand on the beer as he landed on it and my hand and some spilled. And my wife and daughter say it's my fault? Ya just can't win?

This is because, to a cat, you are simply staff. A dog would not have tried to be sneaky about getting into your beer. He would have just helped himself and looked at you wondering why you weren't drinking with him.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:07:13pm

re: #138 Nevergiveup

I think that's a great idea for Synagogues also, save the bacon rolls?

Where I go, it's called the 'kiddush club', and they throw back slivovitz...

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Nevergiveup Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:07:21pm

re: #162 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hear that Chinese restaurants pay money for cats.

My 3 Siamese cats just put you on their shit list.

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brookly red Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:08:35pm

re: #159 Nevergiveup

I just got yelled at and on father's day to boot. My fat cat who for some reason is all over me today, jumped off my bed onto my beer as I am sitting in front of it blogging and watching the Yankee game. I saw him look at me and then at my beer and then back at me. I knew what he was thinking, but he was to fast for me and I only got my hand on the beer as he landed on it and my hand and some spilled. And my wife and daughter say it's my fault? Ya just can't win?

try giving him his own beer...

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MarineMomSue Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:09:20pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

A big, steaming plate of Franco-American Spaghetti for Pat Buchanan, and another one for Chris Matthews.

I'll get it nice and HOT.. now, who wants to dump it in their laps?

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jim in virginia Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:10:14pm

On topic: Oh, blech. Can we all agree that Pat Buchanon, in supporting a MONARCHY for eff's sake, is no longer a spokesperson for the GOP, or for that matter for anything except Pat Buchanon?

WWRS? (What would Reagan Say?)

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LatinGent Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:11:19pm

WWRS? The same thing he`d say after seeing Brokeback Mountain.

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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:12:33pm

He's a damn fascist, that's what. Chris Matthews ought to be ashamed he gives this man a platform.

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Jim in Virginia Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:12:53pm

re: #162 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hear that Chinese restaurants pay money for cats.

Upding!
Gato tacos are good too.

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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:12:58pm

re: #165 Nevergiveup

My 3 Siamese cats just put you on their shit list.

Bring 'em on!

/note the SockPuppy mode

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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

In Japan, cranes are made of folded paper and commemorate those who died in the atomic blasts.

In Iran, cranes are made of steel, and those convicted of homosexual acts dangle from them to the delight of the crowd.

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Just like the mullahs. They take an instrument of construction, and turn it into a means of death. What a rancid bunch of shitbirds.

In their 7th century world, there is no need for 20th century technology. therefore, it becomes an instrument to demonstrate their absolute power.

Never mind they have not one f**king clue how to build a crane, or any other technological artefact they use to terrorize the masses. All they need to know is (a) the Qu'ran, and (b) who to kill in the name of their god.

/Since the Qu'ran is replete with information on that subject, being a mullah does not require a heap of perspicacity.

cheers

eon

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Throbert McGee Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:14:36pm

re: #116 Mardukhai

The Persians consider themselves the real "Aryans," hence Iran. In that sense, I think that "Liberty for the Aryans" is a fitting slogan for the immediate crisis.

"Aryan" ought never to be confused with ayran, which is a refreshing chilled beverage made from diluted, lightly salted yogurt...

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albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:14:40pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

He's a damn fascist, that's what. Chris Matthews ought to be ashamed he gives this man a platform.

moderation is no fun, even boring...move way off and the $$$ starts rolling in

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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:14:48pm

re: #171 Jim in Virginia

Upding!
Gato tacos are good too.

Indeed!

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pingjockey Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

He's also not a spokesman for conservatives. He's an isolationist. And an A One asshole.

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debutaunt Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:16:43pm

re: #147 eon

Ooh. Bacon rolls.

I'll take those, you can have the beer and chocolate.

cheers

eon

I love bacon. What is a bacon roll?

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Jim in Virginia Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:17:09pm

Off to church. Rats, I'll miss the private thread.

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quickjustice Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:17:49pm

Thanks, Dad!

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callahan23 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:18:48pm

A further testimony to the political and moral failure of the left, those so called feminists and wide swaths of the western intellectuals:

To the iconography of revolution—the man in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square, young people ripping shards off the Berlin Wall—we can now add this: the red nail polish, black eyeliner and side-swept bangs of young Iranian women…
Yet no matter the outcome of this revolt, says Tohidi, Ahmedinejad does not know what he’s up against. “He cannot take women back again,” she says. “Even if he stays in power, it won’t last.”

NY Post article.

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MacDuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:22:27pm

re: #159 Nevergiveup

I just got yelled at and on father's day to boot. My fat cat who for some reason is all over me today, jumped off my bed onto my beer as I am sitting in front of it blogging and watching the Yankee game. I saw him look at me and then at my beer and then back at me. I knew what he was thinking, but he was to fast for me and I only got my hand on the beer as he landed on it and my hand and some spilled. And my wife and daughter say it's my fault? Ya just can't win?

In The Case Of Nevergiveup v. "The Cat"

When beer is spilled, a grave crime has been committed and justice must be served. Since it was Nevergiveup's beer, it's clear that Nevergiveup was not at fault as no man would spill his own beer, unless acted upon by a nefarious outside force.

'Tis obviously the fault of THE CAT.

As it is written so it will be done.

Judge MacDuff
53rd Circuit Court of the Lizard Nation

Just show this to your wife and daughter and tell them that the matter has been litigated and the cat will be shown all due mercy.

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Sambo Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:23:49pm

re: #167 MarineMomSue

Re: Having things dropped in your lap ...

When my girls were younger, we took them to a "wild animal safari" place, where you drive through the park in your car, and you feed the animals carrots. (By the way, if you ever go to one of these places, please note that you can buy bags of carrots at very reasonable prices from the person that also, conveniently, sells you your tickets.)

As we drove through the park, my then-six-year-old daughter was holding the bag of carrots and sitting between me and wife. I was driving.

We came to one of the exhibits, and a llama spotted my daughter who was holding a carrot. He stuck his head through my (open) window. My daughter screamed and dropped the carrot right in my lap. The llama dropped his head and started digging in my crotch for the carrot.

In the meantime, I was pushing my ass back in the seat as hard as I could, while trying to spread my legs as wide as I could, so that if the llama came up with anything, it was the dropped carrot and not a piece of my boy bits.

Fortunately, he got it and pulled his head out of the window. From then on, we kept the windows mostly rolled up, and just threw carrots out the window from time to time.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:24:26pm

re: #157 Cato the Elder

Tried to email you, not working.

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jvic Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #113 JacksonTn

re: #127 brookly red

"We are mindful that adherence to these principles requires that all states be subject to review by this body, including our own."be afraid...

Good catch.

Even as the Iranian protests are going on, the Obama administration is inviting the review of the morally impeccable UN Human Rights Council, whose current membership includes the states of Cuba and Saudi Arabia.

Even as the Iranian protests are going on, Obama's administration soft-pedals American sovereignty--the sovereignty of the nation whose Constitution he has sworn to preserve, protect and defend.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:33:12pm

re: #181 callahan23

How is this a testimony to failure the failure of anyone but the Mullahs? What does the left have to do with this?

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doppelganglander Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:39:49pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

OT: This really should have been posted two threads back but I was literally out to lunch. I dislike Barack Obama immensely, but I must admit that as a father, he had truly learned from the mistakes his own father made and has done better. I'm reposting this letter he wrote in the interests of credit where credit is due and warding off ODS:

I have been an imperfect father

Credit where credit's due, that's a well-written piece and the 0 does seem to be a devoted dad.

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Duane Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:41:26pm

Maybe chalk it up under a blind squirrel finding the occasional nut, but Buchanan does have a point. Many Catholics of his generation would be more supportive of Franco than "the alternative". The "alternative" martyred more than a thousand Catholics for their faith, including many nuns and priests. Priests were thrown into bullrings with the bulls, nuns raped by the militias of "the alternative", priests were castrated. I am not trying to praise Franco here, just pointing out that the people he defeated were some truly evil people.

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Alcove-One Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:42:57pm

That is why the despicable Mathews and MSNBC have Paleo-Pat on.
He is the token "conservative" which is like have Code Pink represent the token "Democrat".

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MarineMomSue Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:43:39pm

re: #184 Sambo

ROFL I love it...I can picture this scene!

I'm a bit curious, what was your wife doing while the carrot hunt was underway? Does your daughter remember it?

Priceless!

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callahan23 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #187 Flyers1974

How is this a testimony to failure the failure of anyone but the Mullahs? What does the left have to do with this?

The organized political left has ignored these demonstrations for freedom entirely. At least here in Europe none of them has come out in support for those brave Iranians. Particularly not in support for the many female demonstrators.
Shame on them for all eternity. I'll never forgive them.
Long live the memory of Neda slain by a brutal tyrannocracy.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:52:38pm

re: #192 callahan23

The organized political left has ignored these demonstrations for freedom entirely. At least here in Europe none of them has come out in support for those brave Iranians. Particularly not in support for the many female demonstrators.
Shame on them for all eternity. I'll never forgive them.
Long live the memory of Neda slain by a brutal tyrannocracy.

I can't speak for Europe, but in the US, the only support I see from anywhere, left or right, is in the form of posting on political blogs. The people I've talked to in real life, right, midddle or left, don't seem to care - many of them are only barely aware something is happening in Iran. My personal observation. People participating on political blogs are in general, going to be far more engaged with these things than others.

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sngnsgt Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:54:39pm

re: #143 LatinGent

The only reason 0's approval ratings are down is because the retreat from Iraq hasn't began yet. Moonbats are furious!

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callahan23 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:03:15pm

re: #193 Flyers1974

I can't speak for Europe, but in the US, the only support I see from anywhere, left or right, is in the form of posting on political blogs. The people I've talked to in real life, right, midddle or left, don't seem to care - many of them are only barely aware something is happening in Iran. My personal observation. People participating on political blogs are in general, going to be far more engaged with these things than others.

Same on this side of the pond. What I was referring to was officials from political parties and peace activists, the usual political talking heads. Zilch, nada, nichts, niente, rien, nothing.
Yet when Israel as much as sneezes these same wankers are up in arms crying foul play.

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jayzee Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:05:58pm

Can they now please stop interviewing this prick on Fox now? Ya hear that Sean? At least have him on as a white supremacist and not a conservative icon.

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Zimriel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:08:26pm

re: #189 Duane

I am not trying to praise Franco here, just pointing out that the people he defeated were some truly evil people.

Which is why J R R Tolkien supported Franco. However this was a conditional support, because as has been reiterated here by several lizards, Spain's legal government had become a tyranny.

Under normal conditions - and the US is under normal conditions - the Franco option shouldn't even be on the table. Buchanan is acting irresponsibly for comparing the US today to Spain in the 1930s.

I will also say here that I do not think that a monarchy would work over the whole US. Not that monarchy is bad in principle - but, we're just too diverse. We've always been too diverse. Who'd get the top job? I'm partial to the Stuarts but I can't see how that would be acceptable to New England liberals, let alone New Mexican Spaniards (or Mexican-Americans - who might want a Tlatoani).

Maybe if we agreed to limit monarchy to a constitutional model, and applied it only to a state which looks like it needs it. A Bourbon restoration couldn't mess up Louisiana more than it is already... :^)

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Sambo Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:09:30pm

re: #191 MarineMomSue

I think my wife was trying to comfort my daughter, who was really freaking out. My attention was focused elsewhere at the time!

My daughter remembers it (probably because it's kind of a favorite family story) and we talk about it from time to time.

You have probably had the experience of a having child cling to you when they are really scared of something. It's like they have a set of cat-claws or something that pops out in those moments.

I took this same daughter to a place called "Camp Orkila" here in Washington state one year, as part of "Indian Princesses." The camp is in the San Juan islands, and at the camp, you could row a small rowboat a couple hundred yards out to a small island, on which the kids could climb up a narrow, muddy, and moss-covered path, to the top of a hill about 30' high. I never understood how more kids weren't killed climbing or falling, but there you have it.

At any rate, as we were rowing out to the island, an Orca (whale) was spotted a few hundred yards away. My daughter got scared and did the cat-claw thing. We had to immediately turn around and row back to shore.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:10:37pm

re: #185 Flyers1974

Tried to email you, not working.

Strange. I just tried it and it's working fine. Note that Charles's system requires you to enter the captcha backwards.

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Wendya Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:15:21pm

re: #146 CynicalConservative

I'm sure Avanti will be here in a few minutes to dispute your poll with his poll.

Rasmussen led all the polls in accuracy for the 2004 and 2008 Presidential elections.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:18:49pm

re: #195 callahan23

Same on this side of the pond. What I was referring to was officials from political parties and peace activists, the usual political talking heads. Zilch, nada, nichts, niente, rien, nothing.
Yet when Israel as much as sneezes these same wankers are up in arms crying foul play.

I can't claim to be an expert on peace activists, but from what I've observed here in the US, and generally speaking of course, activists on the left tend to be against wars started by a Republican president, (with exceptions like the Vietnam war) and against peoples opressed by the right, i.e., central America in the 1980's. The right tends to support peoples oppressed by the left (Cuba, N. Koreas, etc...) When the oppressed can't be easily categoized (Rwanda) neither side seems to be all that interested. My opinion on the Democrats here in the US, is that they aren't "supportive" (and I wouldn't agree with that term to describe their actions or lack of same) because there is nothing to do. You either have to commit to this or not. Supporting the protesters with words (if you know there will be no actual substantive help) does nothing to further the cause of the protesters.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:20:40pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

I think its me, not the system. I keep getting the option of sending you a message with an e-mail system I don't know the password for. I'll try again.

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Zimriel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:20:43pm

re: #57 eon

Only monarchies have a worse batting average for long-term viability than dictatorships. Mainly because you either wind up with a weak monarch who is there solely due to primogeniture (Charles I of England, Louis XVI of France, Tsar Nicholas of Russia), or worse yet one put on the throne and kept there only by an army that rules him rather than the other way around (the era of the Barracks Emperors in Rome).

Actually, for long-term viability, monarchy works better than dictatorship. A sovereign dynasty can last for centuries. Caesar gets stabbed in Act III Scene 1 of the five act play.

Monarchy's main problem relative to democracy isn't that the monarch is more likely to screw up. (Any head of state can screw up.) Monarchy's problem is that, when the monarch screws up, it's hard to fire him.

What we really want here is a stable republican system of government, like what Rome had before the civil wars and Caesar.

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callahan23 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:23:44pm

re: #201 Flyers1974

.... Supporting the protesters with words (if you know there will be no actual substantive help) does nothing to further the cause of the protesters.

Yes it does. It boosts morale. Which is highly important at this point.
Just imagine to put yourself in high danger and not have any moral support.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:32:54pm

re: #204 callahan23

Yes it does. It boosts morale. Which is highly important at this point.
Just imagine to put yourself in high danger and not have any moral support.

I understand the morale argument completely - I am sure that in warfare, there has been many, many battles won by the side with less tangible advantages but better morale - but morale has its limits. It can't substitute for weapons, food, water, etc... . Speaking for myself, if I thought that morale would or even could make a difference in Iran, I think I would feel completely different.

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Ojoe Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:35:07pm

re: #158 Flyers1974

In context I have no problems with Franco. In context.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:36:27pm

Dear Pat:

I think a devoutly Christian, conservative, traditionalist country, even if it’s a monarchy, is fine with me.

Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Madison would either laugh you out of the room, or kick you in the nuts, or both. Washington would probably be somewhat less merciful.

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Jack_ITA Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:37:33pm

re: #120 Bloodnok

... Absolute power in one individual is okay and can shape a society correctly - ~~as long as it is the correct individual.~~ - as long as it is me

Admit it, this is deep down (or not so deeply down, for some) what most of us thought at least once. I wonder how could we call this... the strong egotistical principle of politics?

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calcajun Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:41:29pm

Sorry--been real busy with family and business the past month.

First, how is this dust up in Tehran different from the last general election?

Second, BHO seems to be damned if you do no matter what he does in this instance foreign policy wise.

Third, is Pat's inner Franco still dead?

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:43:40pm

re: #206 Ojoe

In context I have no problems with Franco. In context.

I don't know as much about him as I'd like. I can't speak with any authority as to how dangerous the left side of the civil war was, i.e., were they socialists, communists, a combination, or other. I know that in his History of WWII, Churchill stated that though it was currently (late 40's?) fashionable to critisize him, he gave a great amount of help to the allied cause. In terms of self-interested moves, He also compared his actions to Mussolini's - suggesting that if Mussolini did not declare war on the UK and had maintained a balancing act between the sides and entered the war against Hitler at the correct time, he would have been richly rewarded.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jun 21, 2009 4:47:13pm

re: #206 Ojoe

In context I have no problems with Franco. In context.

In context, you need to see a doctor. In context.

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right_wing2 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:08:55pm

I lost all respect for Buchanan a few years ago.

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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:11:43pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

He's a damn fascist, thats what. Chris Matthews ought to be ashamed he gives this man a platform.

Yes, but this is only the most recent entry on a very long list of things for which Chris Matthews should be ashamed.
Can't. Stand. "Tweety".

BTW: I seem to recall that this isn't the first time Pat Buchanan has expressed a desire for a monarchy. Anyone else remember or have more info?

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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:35:49pm

re: #202 Flyers1974

I think its me, not the system. I keep getting the option of sending you a message with an e-mail system I don't know the password for. I'll try again.

I'll think of something...

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LesLein Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:48:38pm

During WWII Stalin was preferable to Hitler.

During the Spanish Civil War Franco was preferable to his Stalinist opposition.

During the French Revolution Louis XVI was preferable to Robespierre.

This isn't saying much as far as compliments go.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:16:14pm

re: #213 iceweasel

If a monarchy was good enough for Ignatias P. Reilly, it's good enough for me.

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jc59 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:23:16pm

"When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can't help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup."

--Thomas Sowell

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Dirk Diggler Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:50:16pm

Sorry Pat, but even the "traditionalist, Christian monarch" King Juan Carlos abandoned Franco's fascism in favor of democracy and constitutional government. In 1981 the Spanish monarch crushed a coup by officers seeking to restore Falangist rule.

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NukeAtomrod Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:24:52pm

Is this a surprise? I think Pat Buchanan would be happy to be the Christian version of a Mullah. He's all about religion and always has been.

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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:44:21pm

re: #216 Flyers1974

If a monarchy was good enough for Ignatias P. Reilly, it's good enough for me.

Yeah, but he wanted one that would bring back tastefulness and decency, along with proper application of the principles of theology and geometry.

And as I recall, he also liked Paradise hotdogs for a daily meal. :(

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ihateronpaul Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:53:28pm

apparently everyone loves a monarchy if it holds their same values. bleh.

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MrPaulRevere Sun, Jun 21, 2009 10:17:10pm

Y'all don't understand Pat. He's a man from a different time, circa 1450 //

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Gaius Iulius Tabernarius Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:23:40am

Pat Buchenwald Buchanan does it again...

If the republican party is ever going to make a comeback, its going to have to oust these isolationist fossils. When you have a former presidential candidate calling for monarchy its time to cut ties. Its no wounder MSNBC loves him. He is the perfect house conservative, he legitimizes their "all republicans are racist" talking point, and helps them expose those meddling neo cons... Together, the old crazy right, and the new crazier left will finally win the war on terror... for Osama.

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IanTheTerrible Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:58:38pm

Can't say it amazes me that he still gets a platform. It does, however, sadden me. He is yet one more manifestation of faux-conservatism.

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