Abbas: Sure, Peace, But with Some Killing

Middle EastAugust 2009 • Views: 2,630

This is the mind-numbingly obvious technique the Palestinians have been getting away with for decades — talking about the “peace process” while threatening (and often committing) violence. Why would anyone expect Mahmoud Abbas to change this pattern of behavior now? Palestinians to keep resistance an option: Abbas.

BETHLEHEM, West Bank (Reuters) - President Mahmoud Abbas told his Fatah movement’s first congress in 20 years on Tuesday that Palestinians sought peace with Israel but “resistance” would remain an option.

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118 comments

noshariaincanada Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:51:06am

Obama's partner, not Israel's

dapperdave Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:51:17am

Typical!

Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:51:37am

I can sum it up in one word..hudna.

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:51:45am

Meanwhile...back in Gaza...

Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:52:28am

News?

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:52:50am

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

News?

Jooos!!!

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:53:06am

SSDY. The only characters who change are the ones who swallow this tripe.
"It'll be different this time."

Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:53:32am

In football, you keep running the same play until it stops working.

calcajun Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:54:19am

re: #2 dapperdave

Typical!

Typical Progressive attitude. We gotta break some eggs for a good omelet.

Not dissimilar from BHO. Not that he really wants people killed-- I doubt he does. But, as a true social engineer, he does not care how many lives are ruined or disrupted as long as his social agenda is advanced.

MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:54:41am

Translation...

We want "peace" on our terms when all the jews are dead and if we don't get our way, we will then be more violent than we already have...

Its the Chicago way...!!!

calcajun Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:54:58am

re: #8 Sharmuta

In football, you keep running the same play until it stops working.

That's only true of the Vikings. Other teams mix up their plays.

opnion Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:55:02am

Obama just gave this guy a lot of money, you would think that he could just say that he wants peace.
Maybe he's ticked because he is not eligible for the Cash for Clunkers Program.

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:55:40am

re: #12 opnion

Obama just gave this guy a lot of money, you would think that he could just say that he wants peace.
Maybe he's ticked because he is not eligible for the Cash for Clunkers Program.

He's in a better program...Money for Nothing

Green Helmet Guy Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:56:11am

Peace = killing Jooos while receiving land concessions as opposed to just killing Jooos.

Kobyashi Maru Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:56:35am

Stop all these farcical attempts at "negotiation" until the Saudis, Syrians and all of the Arab league states: "Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state safe and secure in its own defined borders." I won't hold my breath, but it seems that statement is a prerequisite to any negotiations.

Besides the Sunni Arabs are deathly afraid of a Shia Persian A-bomb...Israel can be their best friend...

MandyManners Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:56:45am

re: #8 Sharmuta

In football, you keep running the same play until it stops working.

Abbas is up for a big suprise if he thinks he's Lucy and Netanyahu is Charlie Brown.

Vicious Babushka Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #12 opnion

Obama just gave this guy a lot of money, you would think that he could just say that he wants peace.
Maybe he's ticked because he is not eligible for the Cash for Clunkers Program.

We haven't seen any good car swarms lately.

dapperdave Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:56:54am

To Abbas peace means not "going about our respective ways" but instead "lets kill the Jews".

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:57:01am

re: #13 Desert Dog

He's in a better program...Money for Nothing

And chicks for free?

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:57:44am

Hamas: Praying for a piece of Israel since 1987

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:59:12am

re: #19 Mad Al-Jaffee

And chicks for free?

goats

opnion Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #13 Desert Dog

He's in a better program...Money for Nothing

& the Muslimas are free!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:59:45am

Anytime you ask someone to pledge to something, and they add caveats, you can be sure they have no intention of doing what they ask.

Real caveats don't need to be stated:

Sure I'll give you a ride, unless I break my leg.

Sure I'll take out the trash, unless I have a heart attack and need to be rushed to the ER.

Sure I'll clean my room, unless Godzilla attacks and my room is a pile of timber and plaster dust.

MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #23 EmmmieG

Sure I'll clean my room, unless Godzilla attacks and my room is a pile of timber and plaster dust.

My mom would have still expected me to clean up my room and made the dust into neat piles...

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #24 MikeAlv77

My mom would have still expected me to clean up my room and made the dust into neat piles...

...and walk that giant lizard before he poops on the carpet!

Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:02:07pm

The Palis haven't made a single concession, ever, but all the pressure is on Israel.
Because the world knows the Palis won't do anything, and most countries would shed crocodile tears, if that, over Israel.

And Obama is just making them bolder.
Now they won't even talk unless Israel concedes.
Meanwhile the Arabs have made a gesture towards Israel, but it involves a single finger. Which is the same signal they're giving Obama.
But at last report, the State Department expects to have a peace plan in weeks and a conference soon thereafter.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:03:03pm

re: #12 opnion

Obama just gave this guy a lot of money, you would think that he could just say that he wants peace.
Maybe he's ticked because he is not eligible for the Cash for Clunkers Program.

That's because they blew up all their clunkers. Or the Israelis blew them up to get to the terrorists inside.

Green Helmet Guy Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:03:29pm

Like the dialog from "Independence day" the movie.

President ~~Whitmore~~ Peres: I know there is much to learn from each other if we can make a truce. We can find a way to Co-exist. can there be a peace between us?

~~Captured Alien~~ Abbas: Peace? NO PEACE!

President ~~Whitmore~~ Peres: What is it you want us to do?

~~Captured Alien~~ Abbas: Die…die…

MJ Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:05pm

Obama to award America's Medal of Freedom to an apologist for antisemitism and terrorism:

Presidential Medal of Freedom Honoree Draws Criticism from Jewish Groups

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

More here:

[Link: jta.org...]

MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #28 Green Helmet Guy

Like the dialog from "Independence day" the movie.

President ~~Whitmore~~ Peres: I know there is much to learn from each other if we can make a truce. We can find a way to Co-exist. can there be a peace between us?

~~Captured Alien~~ Abbas: Peace? NO PEACE!

President ~~Whitmore~~ Peres: What is it you want us to do?

~~Captured Alien~~ Abbas: Die…die…

That is so true. I think you hit that one out of the park... And the solution is that same as the one in the movie...

opnion Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #17 Alouette

We haven't seen any good car swarms lately.

You know that's true. The RoP is not as much fun as they were.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:18pm

re: #12 opnion

Obama just gave this guy a lot of money, you would think that he could just say that he wants peace.
Maybe he's ticked because he is not eligible for the Cash for Clunkers Program.

Other presidents have given money and gotten the same answer. But the money keeps coming. This guy is crazy like a fox.

dapperdave Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #27 Kosh's Shadow

You mean Obama won't buy those?

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:50pm

OT - Anyone notice that [Link: www.bing.com...] cover picture today is a giant pair of boobies?

lawhawk Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:04:56pm

Subtexts of Palestinian leader Abbas:

We'll take what ever you give us, but it will never be enough.
We want a Jew-free Palestine (but don't call us racist, and what we're demanding ethnic cleansing).
We demand a 2-state solution, until such time that we're strong enough that we can impose a 1-state solution that doesn't include Israel.

Oh, and Hamas? They're part of our triangle offense against Israel's existence. We'll crackdown on them if they threaten us, but don't mind the heroic resistance when it happens against Israel.

[deleted] Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:05:20pm

Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:05:26pm

re: #15 Kobyashi Maru

Stop all these farcical attempts at "negotiation" until the Saudis, Syrians and all of the Arab league states: "Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state safe and secure in its own defined borders." I won't hold my breath, but it seems that statement is a prerequisite to any negotiations.

Besides the Sunni Arabs are deathly afraid of a Shia Persian A-bomb...Israel can be their best friend...

The Arabs have already flatly stated they will not recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

JustABill Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:06:07pm

re: #30 MikeAlv77

That is so true. I think you hit that one out of the park... And the solution is that same as the one in the movie...

Do the Palestinians use MacOS too?

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:06:46pm

re: #30 MikeAlv77

That is so true. I think you hit that one out of the park... And the solution is that same as the one in the movie...

Send drunken middle aged fighter pilots up their exhaust manifolds? /

Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:07:26pm

re: #19 Mad Al-Jaffee

And ~~chicks~~ boys for free?

FTFY.

/following in arafish's footsteps

opnion Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:08:11pm

re: #27 Kosh's Shadow

That's because they blew up all their clunkers. Or the Israelis blew them up to get to the terrorists inside.

Probably, but if we open up Cash for Clunkers for Cuba , we'll go broke
quick.

Mr. E. Train Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:08:27pm

The beating will continue until moral improves...

What everyone knows but will never say, the Arabs want dead Jews more than they want land or peace. They will settle for the latter only after they get the former.

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:08:48pm

Candygram.

MJ Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:09:05pm

As long as we're on the subject of the Obama Administration appeasing terrorists:

Bill Clinton rewarding NKorea for bad behavior: Bolton

"..."It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee".

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:09:10pm

re: #37 Kosh's Shadow
Yeah... I wonder why this is still even a debate. The modern triumph of PR over fact worries me very much.

KansasMom Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:09:49pm

re: #43 SasquatchOnSteroids

Candygram.

Candygram for Mongo!

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #34 DaddyG

OT - Anyone notice that [Link: www.bing.com...] cover picture today is a giant pair of boobies?

Tomorrow's cover picture...

opnion Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #44 MJ

As long as we're on the subject of the Obama Administration appeasing terrorists:

Bill Clinton rewarding NKorea for bad behavior: Bolton

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Bolton as usual makes a strong case, but get those women back.

John Neverbend Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:10:23pm

re: #28 Green Helmet Guy

Like the dialog from "Independence day" the movie.

You know, in some ways it resembles the dialogue between Picard and the Tamarians when they first run into each other:

Picard: I invite you to consider the creation of a mutual non-aggression pact between our two peoples. Possibly leading to a trade agreement and cultural interchange. Does this sound like a reasonable course of action?

Tamarian First Officer: Kadir beneath Mo Moteh (other aliens laugh).

The difference, of course, is that the Tamarians were actually interested in establishing peace. The similarity is that both sides weren't talking the same language for many years.

Mr. E. Train Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:10:24pm

Knock knock...

Who is it?

Land Shark...

MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:10:39pm

re: #45 DaddyG

Yeah... I wonder why this is still even a debate. The modern triumph of PR over fact worries me very much.

Stop trying to confuse the issue with facts. Facts get in the way of finding a solution...

Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #46 KansasMom

Candygram for Mongo!

Well, given the Pali's penchant for handing out candy when Jews are killed:

Candy! Candy!
Who died?
You ... BOOM!

Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:11:54pm

re: #51 MikeAlv77

Stop trying to confuse the issue with facts. Facts get in the way of finding a solution...

The final solution...
Never again!

jill e Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:12:32pm

When you're a terrorist, it's always important to keep your options open.

Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:12:38pm

Meanwhile there's been no big coverage that I've seen (I don't go to the purely "anti-jihad/Islam" sites anymore) about the recent massacre of Christians in Pakistan. Just another day in the Religion of Peace?

MandyManners Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:12:39pm

re: #49 John Neverbend

You know, in some ways it resembles the dialogue between Picard and the Tamarians when they first run into each other:

Picard: I invite you to consider the creation of a mutual non-aggression pact between our two peoples. Possibly leading to a trade agreement and cultural interchange. Does this sound like a reasonable course of action?

Tamarian First Officer: Kadir beneath Mo Moteh (other aliens laugh).

The difference, of course, is that the Tamarians were actually interested in establishing peace. The similarity is that both sides weren't talking the same language for many years.

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:12:48pm

re: #45 DaddyG

Yeah... I wonder why this is still even a debate. The modern triumph of PR over fact worries me very much.

It's a debate because we can't solve the core problem, and saying so causes too much trouble. If the oil states would throw their support behind Israel, it would change the equation, but they won't. If the U.S. would tell the Arab world they're on their own unless they recognize Israel and stop playing behind the scenes, that would change the equation, but we won't. And so on, and so forth. The status quo sucks, but we aren't coming up with a less sucky approach any time soon.

MandyManners Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:13:18pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile there's been no big coverage that I've seen (I don't go to the purely "anti-jihad/Islam" sites anymore) about the recent massacre of Christians in Pakistan. Just another day in the Religion of Peace?

What?

CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:13:33pm

re: #25 DaddyG

...and walk that giant lizard before he poops on the carpet!

Keyboard Coke convergence narrowly avoided on that one.

avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:13:52pm

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:13:57pm

re: #50 Mr. E. Train

Knock knock...

Who is it?

LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLand Shark...

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:14:06pm

re: #53 Kosh's Shadow

The final solution...
Never again!

Serious musing here... do you suppose the hatred against the Jews stems from the fact that they don't go quietly like other victims of genocide but that they fight, survive and rebuild? Making the desert flower can be a dangerous business when your neighbors get jealous but don't want to do the work to get there themselves. Ask any number of prosperous sects throughout history.

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:14:21pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

That is good news, I wonder what it cost?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:14:50pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile there's been no big coverage that I've seen (I don't go to the purely "anti-jihad/Islam" sites anymore) about the recent massacre of Christians in Pakistan. Just another day in the Religion of Peace?

Just another bad day in a big mean world where civilian deaths are meaningless if they weren't killed by Israelis or Americans.

Feh.

dapperdave Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Read.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Pretty ugly.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:14:55pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

What did it cost U.S.???

MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #53 Kosh's Shadow

The final solution...
Never again!

Slightly off topic but considering your comment...

Did anyone see the Nat Geo program on the Ensatzgruppen (sp?) and the Holocuast in the East. Had the author or Masters of Death (last name Rhodes). Very good book and the program was heart breaking... How could people in the towns come out to see their neighbors shot... They had a movie clip and one professor was analyzing it showing the procedure and the "everyday, usual" look to the executions.

JustABill Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

Damn, I thought we were making an exchange...

pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:29pm

Meanwhile, on the second page:

In Gaza, Hamas official Ayman Taha said the speech reflected "a sick mentality representing a narrow factional vision."

Welcome to the Middle East, Barack. Enjoy your waffle.

/accompanied by changing my avatar to "Hamas Mouse"

lawhawk Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:29pm

re: #37 Kosh's Shadow

Israel was not recognized after 1948, when it didn't include Gaza or the West Bank.

Israel was not recognized after 1956 or 1967 or 1982. Or after the disengagement from Gaza in 2005. Or after the disengagement from Lebanon.

Nothing will be sufficient to the Arab dictators and despots except Israel's submission to their will, leading to Israel's ultimate destruction and cessation to be a Jewish state (because if they can't beat 'em in a war, beat 'em with demographics).

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #68 JustABill

Damn, I thought we were making an exchange...

no such luck ha ha

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

For real? Oh, thank God.

_RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:39pm

FOX is reporting that the two journalists have been pardoned by north korea. this is great news. But one thing about this situation bothers me. Our government said former POTUS B. Clinton was in NK on a "private mission," but hoiw can we really believe that when Mrs Clinton is in our govt?

Such ham handed lying by our government is far beneath the dignity of a great country like ours.

But bravo for their release!

itellu3times Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:15:44pm

Meanwhile, back home ...
U.S. Government Stages Fake Coup To Wipe Out National Debt

Congress says that with no way to actually pay back our debts, faking a coup to eliminate financial obligations is the best plan for the U.S. economy

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:16:04pm

re: #68 JustABill
That was quick!
LOL

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #43 SasquatchOnSteroids

Candygram.

Mongo just a pawn in the chess game of life.

jill e Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:16:23pm

Today Gaza, tomorrow Jerusalem.” — Mahmoud Abbas

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:16:25pm

Thank you, Mr. Clinton.

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #65 dapperdave

Read.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Pretty ugly.

bastards

MandyManners Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:16:44pm

re: #65 dapperdave

Read.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Pretty ugly.

Why can't the U.S. bring those people here instead of the pro-Saddam Jordypitans who live in Iraq?

Green Helmet Guy Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:17:28pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

I posted a link about that from the BBC here at lgf under "media bias".

They wrote "Pakistan Christians die in unrest"

Only later in the article do you see how they "died":

The four women, a man and a child died as Muslim militants set fire to Christian houses in the town of Gojra, officials said.

that sounds like murder to me but hey

Dianna Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:17:43pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

However annoying I find the circumstances, I'm glad they're coming home.

avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:17:57pm

re: #63 Desert Dog

That is good news, I wonder what it cost?

According to the news, the Koreans get to show how cool Dear Leader is and a picture with Bill.

DaddyG Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:03pm

re: #68 JustABill

Damn, I thought we were making an exchange...

Secret Service Agent: Welcome home President Clinton.
Bill: Thanks
Secret Service Agent: Who you got there?
Bill: I brought back a couple of political prisoners for President Obama and Hillary
Secret Service Agent: (pause) Nice trade sir!

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #79 Desert Dog

And they're our ALLIES???
Sick!

Truth Stick Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:46pm

re: #41 opnion

Probably, but if we open up Cash for Clunkers for Cuba , we'll go broke
quick.

But that "clunker" has to be less than 25 years old, so that there would eliminate 99% of the vehicles in Cuba. Now I don't know if when they turn cars into boats, they may a new date of manufacture, so they may have found away around that little caveat.

CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:46pm

re: #47 Desert Dog

Tomorrow's cover picture...

They can wear these hats.

avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:51pm

re: #68 JustABill

Damn, I thought we were making an exchange...

I like Bill, but that was funny.

Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:51pm

re: #83 avanti

According to the news, the Koreans get to show how cool Dear Leader is and a picture with Bill.

If that is it, it was a deal. I am guessing they extracted something out of the US. I am just glad those two are leaving that shithole.

MandyManners Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:18:53pm

Gotta' git.

dapperdave Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:19:14pm

Lunch is over...gotta go, have an awesome day everyone.

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:19:20pm

re: #50 Mr. E. Train

I'm just a dolphin, ma'am.

jill e Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:19:25pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile there's been no big coverage that I've seen (I don't go to the purely "anti-jihad/Islam" sites anymore) about the recent massacre of Christians in Pakistan. Just another day in the Religion of Peace?

And try doing this to a copy of the Koran.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:19:27pm

re: #90 MandyManners

Gotta' git.

Well, then git while the gittins' good.

Come to think of it, I need to take the kids to the library.

debutaunt Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:19:49pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

I wonder what it cost us to reward really bad behavior.

_RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:20:45pm

re: #85 reloadingisnotahobby

And they're our ALLIES???
Sick!

pakistan is the ultimate shit hole of planet earth. india has my sympathy for having to live next door to such filth.

CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:20:49pm

re: #49 John Neverbend

You know, in some ways it resembles the dialogue between Picard and the Tamarians when they first run into each other:

Picard: I invite you to consider the creation of a mutual non-aggression pact between our two peoples. Possibly leading to a trade agreement and cultural interchange. Does this sound like a reasonable course of action?

Tamarian First Officer: Kadir beneath Mo Moteh (other aliens laugh).

The difference, of course, is that the Tamarians were actually interested in establishing peace. The similarity is that both sides weren't talking the same language for many years.

Mrs. Hawk's favorite episode. She bought a copy of the script when she found it at an ST con years later.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:20:59pm

re: #82 Dianna

However annoying I find the circumstances, I'm glad they're coming home.

We can only hope that Bill allowed Kim to plant his (Bill's) cigar in an appropriate location for ... *cough* ... dialogue.

/hey, Kim had to get some sort of emotional pay value out of this

debutaunt Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:21:01pm

re: #68 JustABill

Damn, I thought we were making an exchange...

haahhahahhahahahahhahahahahaaa

100

MJ Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile there's been no big coverage that I've seen (I don't go to the purely "anti-jihad/Islam" sites anymore) about the recent massacre of Christians in Pakistan. Just another day in the Religion of Peace?

Pakistan hurt by killing of Christians-church head

LONDON (Reuters) - The death of eight Christians burned alive in clashes with majority Muslims has diminished Pakistan and injured the Muslim faith, the spiritual head of the world's 77 million Anglicans said on Tuesday.

Four women and a child were among those killed in the violence which broke out in Punjab province, central Pakistan, on Saturday, after Muslims torched Christians' homes following allegations one had desecrated the Koran.

Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury

and spiritual head of the Anglican church, called on the Pakistan government to protect the "small and vulnerable" Christian minority...

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

The State Department said nothing about yesterday. However, they did express outrage with Israel over the fact that some illegal squatters where removed from homes in Jerusalem.

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Son of the Black Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:22:23pm

re: #41 opnion

Probably, but if we open up Cash for Clunkers for Cuba , we'll go broke
quick.

Yeah, but the Cubans are driving around in valuable classic cars (just ask Avanti). If we ever had free trade they'd have an instant infusion of cash.

102

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:22:36pm

re: #62 DaddyG

Serious musing here... do you suppose the hatred against the Jews stems from the fact that they don't go quietly like other victims of genocide but that they fight, survive and rebuild? Making the desert flower can be a dangerous business when your neighbors get jealous but don't want to do the work to get there themselves. Ask any number of prosperous sects throughout history.

I don't think that's all of it, but I do think that there is a complex strain of hostility toward Jews that does stem from those sources.

Both the Middle Eastern and European world was long used to Jews NOT fighting back because the mans were not available. The emergence of the uppity and armed-to-the-teeth Jew was not a welcome development.

In addition, in the West, there's a weird set of ideas about the universality of the Holocaust. A lot of these anti-Israel girls at the demos cried over Anne Frank, but have a totally depoliticized understanding of Jewish history and what actually happened in the late forties, coupled with a knee-jerk political/racial understanding of The World As We Know It. Basically--dead Jews, sad and wonderful. Live, imperfect, powerful Jews, bad eeevil, bad bad bad.

And of course, the amazing success of Israel, financially and socially, was a smack in the face to the Arab world, who have now spent a couple of generations explaining that they can't build infrastructure, publish books, do research or even sleep at night, because of the suffering of their Palestinian brethren and sistren.

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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:23:33pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

If that is it, it was a deal. I am guessing they extracted something out of the US. I am just glad those two are leaving that shithole.

Actually, Fox said it was deal for the NORKS too. Dear Leader gets some much needed PR before the shift of power. Kind of a "See how important we are" deal. It's also likely Clinton will be bringing back some sort of message.

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vxbush Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:24:35pm

re: #97 CyanSnowHawk

Mrs. Hawk's favorite episode. She bought a copy of the script when she found it at an ST con years later.

Darmak, when the walls fell!

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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #62 DaddyG

Serious musing here... do you suppose the hatred against the Jews stems from the fact that they don't go quietly like other victims of genocide but that they fight, survive and rebuild? Making the desert flower can be a dangerous business when your neighbors get jealous but don't want to do the work to get there themselves. Ask any number of prosperous sects throughout history.

Good question. Just the existence of Jews after all these years means something. Mark Twain said it is evidence of G-d.
And I think this makes some people uncomfortable.
It means there is a purpose to life; it isn't just watching American Idol. It means people should try to be good, even if it is hard, if it takes self-restraint, self-negation, and self-sacrifice.
It makes some people feel inferior (although being the "Chosen People" doesn't mean Jews are better than anyone else, just that they have to meet higher standards).
It is a reminder that there is good and evil.

All this, I think, hints at the root cause of anti-Semitism. But we won't really understand it until Mashiach (the coming of the Messiah).

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:25:09pm

re: #83 avanti

According to the news, the Koreans get to show how cool Dear Leader is and a picture with Bill.

Does Dear Leader get to stand on a milk crate for the picture?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #85 reloadingisnotahobby

And they're our ALLIES???
Sick!

Yes, they are our allies, and the Saudis are our allies, and back in the 80s, every tin-pot fascist who'd say he was anti-Commie was our ally. Some days I wish we could just pick our friends by how nice they are.

Sigh. We could have a tea party. No wait...

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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:27:26pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Does Dear Leader get to stand on a milk crate for the picture?

No, Bill has to be in a trench.

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Bluto8 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #34 DaddyG

Ooh! thats just wrong,
I jumped on that link to see some Boobies and all I got was a Booby prize!

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John Neverbend Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:29:28pm

re: #62 DaddyG

Making the desert flower can be a dangerous business when your neighbors get jealous but don't want to do the work to get there themselves. Ask any number of prosperous sects throughout history.

I haven't read the book, but based on what I've heard about it, it sounds as though your question may be answered by George Gilder's "The Israel Test". I probably will read it, but I will mention here that my interest was somewhat tempered when I learned that the author is a founder of the Discovery Institute. You can see a small part of the book on Amazon, and I noticed in the index the obligatory reference to "Darwinian laws of nature (Hitler)". There's also a reference to David Berlinski, a man whom I once saw extinguishing himself in front of Richard Dawkins and John Maynard Smith.

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Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:36:28pm

re: #60 avanti

NORKS just pardoned the reporters, coming home with Clinton.

Has he hit on one of them yet?

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Mr. E. Train Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:39:36pm

I follow the Norks twitter feed. If they weren't such deadly commies it would be funny as hell. Kinda like The Peoples Cube, only they're serious.

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flyovercountry Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:40:37pm

This message was made possible by a grant from Moral Equivalency. Through the magic of Moral Equivalency, evil is made to look just like good. We are able to justify any action, no matter how reprehensible by pointing out some other atrocity which occurred and claiming that it is the same as the perceived grievances we have suffered. (Check points are morally equivalent to mass genocide. Different colored license plates are morally equivalent to kidnapping Olympic athletes and killing them.) We also use it to claim things which have no basis in reality. (We are interested in peace, and not the inhalation of every Jew on the planet. We are willing to accept a two state solution, even all of our maps show only one nation with a, "Palestinian," flag flying solo.)

The truly sad part of all of this, is that even after 61 years of this, there are a lot of people who either completely lack an adult memory, or are dangerously gullible.

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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:44:21pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

News?

Walter, in regards to our discussion of the CARS (CFC) data, I have a update. The government did just release the results of the raw data on the program, but the actual raw data is still being prepared. I think we'd both agree the MSN has the right to check the figures themselves and those numbers will be coming soon according to the transportation department.

Here again is the results, according to the department.

CFC.

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Truth Stick Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:12:06pm

Well Israel should say we too are committed to peace, but reserve the right to strike and kill Terrorists where ever we find them...and thus the continuing circle of violence continues un-abated

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Clubsec Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:46pm

Piece is in the air. That is to say the latest news out of the
Hamas/Hezzies is their claim to have 40,000 rockets ready to launch at Israel.
And amount comparable to brigade artillery ... division even.
I wonder how many Mk 16 Mod 2 Land Centurion systems are deployed in Israel?
Congress breaks for the summer 'recess' and ObamUH will need a diversion to keep his Health Spare Reform out of the peons .. er .. peoples minds.

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Dr. Shalit Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:03:43pm

Yo, President Abbas -"HORSE-HOCKEY!"

Col. Sherman Potter, M.A.S.H. 4077, 1952

That is all.

-S-

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LieSeeker Wed, Aug 5, 2009 9:08:30pm

Oh, it's good to hear something new from ABBA, although I don't like the lyrics and you can't dance to it.

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