Can't wait till he gets his warm welcome in Hell

It's disgusting and another slap in the face for the victim's families.

8/20/2009 - A very sad and unforgettable day for the families of the victims. My prayers are with them.

I'm sure they're only showing compassion, or would be showing compassion if the concept existed in their warped minds.

They passed out candies and danced in the streets in Gaza on 9-11. The Islamic world loves terrorism.

This is unforgivable.

Mr. President, time to dispatch that crack, sharp-shooting SEAL team...

Don't know the policy in Scotland but if possible a recall election / petition against Kenny MacAskill should begin immediately.

Justice secretary my ass.

He's shown NO JUSTICE for the victims of this mass murderer

euroland is no more ENJOY YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

This is an unfortunate victory for state sponsored terrorism. In this case the victor is Libya. In the end, sanctions must be inflicted upon Libya foremost and Scotland for playing a role in the release of this terrorist murderer.

Libya's clenched fist up Obama's...

un-be-liev-a-ble

re: #2 Shug

Can't wait till he gets his warm welcome in Hell

My apologizes to anyone suffering from cancer which this waste of oxygen has.
I'm hoping he meets hell suffering thru the cancer.

I truly hope everyone in the US is seeing this. These people can not be negotiated with. Our societies are not morally equivalent. True evil does exist in the world. They are at war with us, and we better be at war with them. Our survival depends on it.

BIAB. I have to go chop down a telephone pole with my bare fucking hand.
WTFWTFWTF.

Norway, Sweden and now Scotland added to the ever growing list of countries I am never, ever going to visit (again).

Kadafi's son was on the flight.

re: #14 Cathypop

My apologizes to anyone suffering from cancer which this waste of oxygen has.
I'm hoping he meets hell suffering thru the cancer.

I feel bad for the cancer, living on a host like this one.

I would hate who I want to hate.

I expect he will be whisked off to a European hospital, specializing in oncology, in short order. There, he will receive the best care Libya can afford.

A thumb in the eye of President Obama, which the President will choose to ignore.

place your bets

how many days until 0bama releases Gitmo prisoners ?

or at least until international pressure is brought upon him to do so and he again goes into "apology mode"

re: #22 Buster

I expect he will be whisked off to a European hospital, specializing in oncology, in short order. There, he will receive the best care Libya can afford.

Cancer doesn't care how good the care is. It is one nasty bastard that can and will take you on a rollercoaster to hell and back.

To the Libyan devils this is a triumph of the will and a vindication of the pitiless style of force with which they project that will. To the Scots judge, it was allegedly an act of compassion. I am not buying that. Whatever motivated this obscenely cruel and despicable decision, it was not compassion.

Let's sanction Scotland and declare war on them, the truly eeevul. That'll make everything better.

This was a decision "respected" or endorsed by the Church of Scotland.

A repost of sorts:

Kirk: Lockerbie decision a defining moment for all of us

The Church of Scotland today praised the decision that meant Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi was released today on compassionate grounds by Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill.

Rev Ian Galloway, Convener of the Church and Society Council of the Church of Scotland said:

“This decision has sent a message to the world about what it is to be Scottish. We are defined as a nation by how we treat those who have chosen to hurt us. Do we choose mercy even when they did not choose mercy?

This was not about whether one man was guilty or innocent. Nor is it about whether he had a right to mercy but whether we as a nation, despite the continuing pain of many, are willing to be merciful. I understand the deep anger and grief that still grips the souls of the victims’ families and I respect their views. But to them I would say justice is not lost in acting in mercy. Instead our deepest humanity is expressed for the better. To choose mercy is the tough choice and today our nation met that challenge.

We have gained something significant as a Nation by this decision. It is a defining moment for all of us.”

The vast majority of Americans, I'm quite certain, disapprove of this man's release from prison; I wonder what the popular opinion is in Scotland?

Anyone know?...I imagine that most Scots are not happy about this either.

The Scottish Executive gets to thumb its nose at the U.S., and demonstrate how the U.S. has no sway with Scotland.

The boycott of all things Scottish starts now. And perhaps we should include Great Britain on that list as well?

I hope the judge sleeps with a clear conscience tonight knowing that an entire country is celebrating that the West has no compassion for it's own people but plenty for those who have none for us.

Proof positive: Most of the true Scotsmen escaped to America or the antipodes centuries ago.

I for one couldn't care less whether this man dies in prison or in Libya. It's over.

GOD DAMMIT!!
ITS A SICK EFFING WORLD

re: #28 Gus 802

This was a decision "respected" or endorsed by the Church of Scotland.

A repost of sorts:

Kirk: Lockerbie decision a defining moment for all of us

Ugh.

We will see him @ a talkshow soon.
And maybe a magically recover too.

He is a fucking hero, like the child murderer Kuntar...to these people.

Well played BP - now you will get new licenses...

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

To the Scots judge, it was allegedly an act of compassion. I am not buying that. Whatever motivated this obscenely cruel and despicable decision, it was not compassion.

As I recall this deal was cut a few years ago. The Libyans stopped their nuke program and paid some sort of monetary reparations for the Lockerbie bombing. In return we eased sanctions gave them international recognition and agreed to release the bombers. I think this all came out about 2-3 years ago.

re: #28 Gus 802

This was a decision "respected" or endorsed by the Church of Scotland.

Sheesh. We can't have Christian churches showing mercy and forgiveness. What would Jesus do?

re: #28 Gus 802

Truly despicable. This is the first time since 9-11 that I have literally ill at a news story.

re: #34 Cato the Elder

I for one couldn't care less whether this man dies in prison or in Libya. It's over.

We understand Cato. Apparently the only thing in the world that gets your ire up is Sarah Palin.

IIRC, in the interests of fairness, there is some (some, in other words, a bit of) reason to question the strength of the prosecution's case in convicting him.

That said, I'm certain that Libya regards him as a capital-M Martyr for the Cause, no matter what th' F. Libya disgraces itself with this display.

My personal opinion on the whole matter is respect for the Scots, who are behaving with one helluva lot more common decency than MQ's band of thugs. Yeah, MQ, you apologized and paid blood money, but why blow up the plane in the first place, *sshole?!?!

There is something very distasteful about providing 'compassion' to a convicted terrorist who murdered 270 innocent civilians in order to spare him his last three months of his life in prison / prison hospital.

Rather than compassion, it seems to be a sign of weakness towards holding those who hold us with utter contempt and acceptable targets of their state sponsored / stateless terrorism that encourages these actions rather than deter them.

This celebration should be occurring when the terrorist's body is returned to Libya in a casket...not with him appearing like a champion athlete who is returning from leading his side to victory.

re: #18 HelloDare

Kadafi's son was on the flight.

The one who sponsored an al Qaida group in Iraq?

re: #44 buzzsawmonkey

There always is. That's why using law enforcement as the overall model for dealing with terrorism doesn't work.

Yes.

/further comment self-deleted in the interest of keeping my registration

Al-Jazeera TV Throws a Birthday Party for Released Lebanese Terrorist Samir Al-Quntar

Israeli witnesses said that Kuntar's group took Danny and Einat down to the beach, where a shootout with Israeli policemen and soldiers erupted. According to the witnesses, when Kuntar's group found that the rubber boat they'd arrived in was disabled by gunfire, Kuntar shot Danny at close range in the back, in front of his daughter, and drowned him in the sea to ensure he was dead. Next, eyewitnesses said he smashed the head of 4 year-old Einat on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle, Smadar Haran accidentally suffocated Yael to death while attempting to quiet her whimpering, which would have revealed their hiding place, from where she saw Danny and Einat being led away at gunpoint by Kuntar. A policeman and two of Kuntar's comrades were killed in the shootout on the beach; Kuntar and the fourth member of the group, Ahmed Assad Abras, were captured. Abras was freed by Israel in the Jibril Agreement of May 1985.

President Obama supposedly sent a message to the libyans saying "do not give this man a hero's welcome." I guess that put the fear of G-d into them.

On an unrelated note, the NBA store is selling Obama "Yes We Did" T-Shirts.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

And the media wonders why we think they're biased?

Most of the people murdered by this monster were Americans. We understand clearly the message the Scottish Executive is sending to their families. And our "compassion" for those responsible for this will run equally deep.

re: #48 _RememberTonyC

President Obama supposedly sent a message to the libyans saying "do not give this man a hero's welcome." I guess that put the fear of G-d into them.

On an unrelated note, the NBA store is selling Obama "Yes We Did" T-Shirts.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

And the media wonders why we think they're biased?

Ugh ... PIMF ... that shoud say the NBC store, not the NBA store.

re: #45 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't know.

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Funny, but Ronny Reagan did take a shot!

re: #34 Cato the Elder

I for one couldn't care less whether this man dies in prison or in Libya. It's over.

You'd be outraged if he was released from a prison in Alaska.

Irony: he traveled home on a plane.

The world is laughing at us. He'll be dying of the same terminal cancer ten years from now, like Hyman Roth in G-II.

I detect a strong odor of impotent rage. Never a good thing.

re: #55 keithgabryelski

Irony: he traveled home on a plane.

I've had it with these mother*** snakes on a mother*** plane!

Another handshake and hug.

Great job 'dafy.

re: #28 Gus 802

This was a decision "respected" or endorsed by the Church of Scotland.

A repost of sorts:

Kirk: Lockerbie decision a defining moment for all of us

This was not about whether one man was guilty or innocent. Nor is it about whether he had a right to mercy but whether we as a nation, despite the continuing pain of many, are willing to be merciful. I understand the deep anger and grief that still grips the souls of the victims’ families and I respect their views. But to them I would say justice is not lost in acting in mercy. Instead our deepest humanity is expressed for the better. To choose mercy is the tough choice and today our nation met that challenge.

That para expresses the point. I would like to see the asshole's cadaver rotting in a medieval dungeon, but the Scots have seen it differently. I am forced, by their argument, to respect that.

*salute*

I don't condone this by any means, but I googled megrahi b/c I was curious about the evidence in the case.His codefendant was acquitted and his appeal was pending based on a "miscarriage of justice".There is a theory that Jibril and Syria may have played some or the role in the bombing.Many conspiracy theories out there.

Or we'll what?

US Warns Libyans Not To Make Hero of Lockerbie Figure

re: #41 Gus 802

We understand Cato. Apparently the only thing in the world that gets you up is Sarah Palin.

FTFY

So does he start his triumphal recruitment tour right away, or does he get a weekend with 'daffy's Security force first?
Can't wait to see how many medals "Colonel Q." bestows on this waste of space.

It is absolute, mind bending, madness for Scotland to set this man free. To have him flown first class back to Libya. Just. Madness.

re: #57 Cato the Elder

I detect a strong odor of impotent rage. Never a good thing.

Amazing statement from somebody who spends many hours a week on the internet pissed off about all things Sarah Palin.

re: #65 yochanan

FTFY

Thanks. That adds a more accurate context.

re: #39 Cato the Elder

You crossed the line, Cato, as did the Kirk. It isn't for an institutional Church to forgive a mass murderer. It's for the families of the victims, one by one. That's a personal choice, not an institutional or governmental one. Were the families of the victims consulted? Was their opinion heeded?

Would you forgive the mass murderer of a loved one? Would you celebrate the murderer's release? Has this man expressed a word of remorse for his actions?

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Show of strength! Bomb Lockerbie now!

I'm way too small to argue with a Lizard like you. But this post, quoted, will reflect badly on all of us at LGF.

"God may have mercy on these terrorists, but we won't."
Senator John McCain, September 12, 2001

Our rage was scarcely impotent, as 100,000 dead terrorists would testify if only they could.

re: #73 Cato the Elder

Those damned Europeans. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

I thought comments that mention violence and the death of someone was not allowed here?

This is over the edge.

re: #73 Cato the Elder

Not quite sure what your deal is but maybe it's time to take a break.

I would like to take this opportunity to give the bastard blood-stained monster POS terrorist and all of the wonderful supporters of this pile of excrement that greeted him at the airport a hearty FOAD from Desert Dog.

re: #73 Cato the Elder

Yes, you gave that advice to Julius Caesar several centuries ago-- and look where it got you!/

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

I thought comments that mention violence and the death of someone was not allowed here?

This is over the edge.

It's called irony. I was quoting Ann Coulter.

I hereby dedicate the next 100 drone strikes in Pakistan to this guy.

I haven't read all the threads so I don't know if someone else has already made this point, but this is precisely the reason why we should never allow the Gitmo prisoners to be jailed in the US.

If we do -- eventually, some liberal lawyer is going to convince some liberal judge that they need to be released, for reasons of [fill in the blank.]

Cato- mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.

Should we have mercy on all criminals? Why should only sick criminals be given mercy?

re: #71 FightingBack

I'm way too small to argue with a Lizard like you. But this post, quoted, will reflect badly on all of us at LGF.

Add a sarc tag if you like. I thought it was obvious.

Ok folks... just my opinion, but lets keep the "death" and "killing" stuff off of here, please.

re: #78 Cato the Elder

It's called irony. I was quoting Ann Coulter.

You presume we agree with the content of your irony. You presume wrong.

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Not quite sure what your deal is but maybe it's time to take a break.

Hell noes. I just uncapped a Heineken !

/

re: #82 Sharmuta

Cato- mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.

Should we have mercy on all criminals? Why should only sick criminals be given mercy?

Um - because they're sick and dying?

re: #73 Cato the Elder
I know your personal felings about using sarc tags. Some of your comments can be cherry picked and used to make LGF look bad and undo all Charles work moderating comments.

re: #85 Gus 802

You presume we agree with the content of your irony. You presume wrong.

Duly noted.

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Not quite sure what your deal is but maybe it's time to take a break.

He up-dinged my #62, and I damned near posted a comment about that which would have been deleted in a heartbeat.

/sorry, Killgore, but I've gotta blow off some steam ... (-:

re: #78 Cato the Elder

It's called irony. I was quoting Ann Coulter.

I'd be fine with a moratorium placed on Ann Coulter quotes.

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Um - because they're sick and dying?

when john gotti was dying of cancer in supermax, he died in supermax. hence the term "life sentence."

re: #83 Cato the Elder

Obviously a smack at Lizards. But not obvious to occasional readers.

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel

"God may have mercy on these terrorists, but we won't."
Senator John McCain, September 12, 2001

Our rage was scarcely impotent, as 100,000 dead terrorists would testify if only they could.

All of them verified terrorists of course. Not a wedding guest among 'em.

[deleted]

And that's all I have to say about that.

Okay, that wasn't all I had to say. What is Scotland getting in return for this? What is Libya? This terrorist is getting a heroes welcome, but the Libyans didn't think him guilty. Now, we have no way to get to the bottom of it, because Scotland decided to thumb its nose at justice in the name of compassion? Compassion? Really.

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Um - because they're sick and dying?

So Justice shouldn't be blind?

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Then they are entitled to medical care from the prison hospital.

How long before this terrorist is on Al-Jazeera saying the Jooos injected him with the cancer ?

re: #34 Cato the Elder

I for one couldn't care less whether this man dies in prison or in Libya. It's over.

It's not over for the parents and relatives of the victims.

re: #96 Sharmuta

So Justice shouldn't be blind?

Justice should be tempered with mercy. Especially when it's unpopular.

I would not have felt bad if the plane carrying that SOB had met with an unfortunate accident courtesy of an F-18.

Forget what Scotland is getting (learning); is Obama learning?

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Um - because they're sick and dying?

Or more to the point: why should someone who has a life sentence in jail be given a reprieve just because we know they have a 99% of dieing within 3 months.

On another thread I asked if there was some reason why our guburmint did not or could not request this POS's extradition back to the US for trial? I humbly resubmit the question...

re: #101 Leonidas Hoplite

The crew is innocent, you know.

re: #106 Sharmuta

The crew is innocent, you know.

Perhaps.

After all he was just a soldier, following orders...not given by some religious nut, but his government...re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

Libya gets most favored nation trading status, Scotland gets zaatar-flavored haggis.

No its about oil and natural gas.

I do not hear the left screaming...

My mercy ran out when the plane exploded.
Rot In Hell.

I truly don't understand this. Couldn't they have just FedEx'ed the camel piss to Scotland?

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Justice should be tempered with mercy. Especially when it's unpopular.

And often times it is when it's warranted. Not sure mass murders should be a part of that.

This incident caused me to read the wikipedia entry on the bombing and the trial. First off, I don't know what the consensus is on whether wikipedia is a reliable source, but here is the passage that I was surprised (shocked) to read, regarding the prosecutions key piece of evidence:

The timer allegedly was traced through its Swiss manufacturer, Mebo, to the Libyan military, and Mebo employee Ulrich Lumpert identified the fragment at al-Megrahi's trial. Mebo's owner, Edwin Bollier, later revealed that in 1991 he had declined an offer from the FBI of $4 million to testify that the timer fragment was part of a Mebo MST-13 timer supplied to Libya. On 18 July 2007, Ulrich Lumpert admitted he had lied at the trial.[30] In a sworn affidavit before a Zurich notary, Lumpert stated that he had stolen a prototype MST-13 timer PC-board from Mebo and gave it without permission on 22 June 1989, to "an official person investigating the Lockerbie case".[31] Dr Hans Köchler, UN observer at the Lockerbie trial, who was sent a copy of Lumpert's affidavit, said: "The Scottish authorities are now obliged to investigate this situation. Not only has Mr Lumpert admitted to stealing a sample of the timer, but to the fact he gave it to an official and then lied in court".

Elsewhere, it states the circuit board was never tested for bomb residue for "budgetary reasons". Seriously?!

I, like all of you, am outraged to this day by this crime, and want justice to be done, but this casts doubt on the verdicts, no? I'm hoping someone will debunk this because I want to believe that they at least got one of the guys responsible for this atrocity.

re: #99 rw in san diego

It's not over for the parents and relatives of the victims.

It's not over for the perpetrator either. Justice abides.

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Um - because they're sick and dying?

So the cheering and adulation in Libya mean nothing? His return is viewed as a terrorist victory. Like Samir Kuntar, the man is now a living hero.

re: #94 Cato the Elder

All of them verified terrorists of course. Not a wedding guest among 'em.

How do you know I am not limiting this to actual terrorists? Are you denying that thousands of terrorists have been killed? Should we have spared them all to protect the innocent people behind whom they hide?

Prostate cancer isn't a death sentence. Oh wait. We're talking about the UK, where the survivability is far lower than here in the States. /

And in any event, it's not like he couldn't get health care while in prison. This was a political decision, and it upends the justice meted out by the Scottish court that sentenced him to life in prison.

re: #101 Leonidas Hoplite

I would not have felt bad if the plane carrying that SOB had met with an unfortunate accident courtesy of an F-18.

Cool it bud. There are other people on the plane, and you don't know whether they want to be there or not.

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Um - because they're sick and dying?

Here's how it works. When you are sentenced to a life sentence that means you are expected to serve the duration of your term until death. Typically, death is preceded by illness or as you call a state of being "sick and dying." Sometimes, it may require that you are treated outside of the prison facilities even during a period of hospice care. During this time you remain a ward of the state and remain incarcerated and under prison watch until death arrives.

A life sentence is not "a life sentence until it is determined that you are dying and then you can go home."

Cato, the only possible explanations for your position are that you are trying to invoke a mean spirited response by supplying shock value, or that you are impared in some way as yet unknown to us. The compassion that this man may deserve is that he should not be tortured while in prison. Outside of that, he should never have seen the sky again. By the way, did you notice him jumping up and down on the top of the stairs, waiving his arms over his head in victory. He aint that infirmed.

re: #88 snowcrash

I know your personal felings about using sarc tags. Some of your comments can be cherry picked and used to make LGF look bad and undo all Charles work moderating comments.

And cherry-pickers can leave out sarc tags, too. And not everyone knows what a sarc tag is. So I shall continue to write as I like.

re: #105 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

On another thread I asked if there was some reason why our guburmint did not or could not request this POS's extradition back to the US for trial? I humbly resubmit the question...

Do you have any idea about how many lawyers would jump on double jeopardy? It would make Gitmo look like play school...
Is it time for Lawyer jokes yet? Hehehe...Lawhawk is so going to ding me..*wink*

re: #104 keithgabryelski

Or more to the point: why should someone who has a life sentence in jail be given a reprieve just because we know they have a 99% of dieing within 3 months.

Yes its life sentence - until the end of his life.
And just given because they lack terminal.

But why did the US never ask for him, to get this murderer of many of its citizen under own control?

re: #117 Naso Tang

Cool it bud. There are other people on the plane, and you don't know whether they want to be there or not.

Fair enough.

Can we find the Scots heroes who confronted the terrorists in Glasgow in '07? How do they feel about this? Glasgow

CNN's Wolf Blitzer did an interview with two of the victim's of the Pan Am bombing. He also played an interview with the Scottish "justice" person who had the mass murderer freed -- MacAskill (imo a psychopath) -- and the victims wanted to know (since MacAskill kept repeating in a moronic, deadpan way -- "two wrongs don't make a right; two wrongs don't make a right" -- and what is the second "wrong" here? putting a mass murderer in jail, is that the "second wrong?") anyway, the victims wanted to know "Why is anyone now in jail in Scotland?" -- why? Shouldn't they all be feed now, since, "two wrongs don't make a right, ya know." (What a moral imbecile to say something like that...just staggering...) One of the victims also noted that getting released on "compassionate grounds" was denied to half a dozen or so Scottish prisoners -- again, how come? What not? Let 'em go! My goodness! How evil to keep convicted thieves, rapists and mass murderers behind bars! Let 'em go, why not? Free Them! (lol -- thus, is the "morality" of the crazoids of Euro...)

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Justice should be tempered with mercy. Especially when it's unpopular.

I came up with about 10 responses to that, and none made sense. care to elaborate?

re: #126 Naso Tang

I came up with about 10 responses to that, and none made sense. care to elaborate?

ROFLMAO!
(I agree, Naso ... I agree !)

re: #113 Cato the Elder

Cancer is not justice. Cancer is an illness. Justice is serving out the Life Sentence in prison. (Short as it may seem.)

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

How do you know I am not limiting this to actual terrorists? Are you denying that thousands of terrorists have been killed? Should we have spared them all to protect the innocent people behind whom they hide?

Because you quoted a nice round number, an infallible sign of nonsense.

I don't know how many terrorists have been killed, and neither do you. And neither does anyone else but God.

The Israelis go to extraordinary lengths to spare civilians even at the risk of letting terrorists get away. So, I hope, do we.

Charles Manson: Uh, guard, can I go home now I have a tooth ache.

Guard: OK, let me talk with the warden and we'll see what we can do.

re: #117 Naso Tang

Cool it bud. There are other people on the plane, and you don't know whether they want to be there or not.

The plane was sent by Gadaffi himself esp. for this mission...

re: #120 Cato the Elder

And cherry-pickers can leave out sarc tags, too. And not everyone knows what a sarc tag is. So I shall continue to write as I like.

But, the tag remains on the original comment, and if Charles needed to cross reference a altered comment clipped and pasted to another place, and connect it back to the actual original comment, the original would have the tag on it, thus help prove the intent of the original comment.

Without the tag, Charles has no recourse to prove the tone and tenor of the original comment.

Make sense?

re: #8 Leonidas Hoplite

Mr. President, time to dispatch that crack, sharp-shooting SEAL team...

That is funny.

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Because you quoted a nice round number, an infallible sign of nonsense.

Ditto.

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Justice should be tempered with mercy. Especially when it's unpopular.

Then release Charles Manson. He is a feeble old man now and murdered far fewer people than this guy did. That at least would not encourage and therefore empower an international culture of terrorism (at least not much).

re: #131 Joshua Cohen

The plane was sent by Gadaffi himself esp. for this mission...

Oh, I presume he asked for volunteers for a possible suicide mission...

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Then release Charles Manson. He is a feeble old man now and murdered far fewer people than this guy did. That at least would not encourage and therefore empower an international culture of terrorism (at least not much).

In a box please.

And even if the release for fatal illness were compassionate; is the hero's welcome compassionate?

re: #119 Flyovercountry

Cato, the only possible explanations for your position are that you are trying to invoke a mean spirited response by supplying shock value, or that you are impared in some way as yet unknown to us.

There's another explanation, too, which is that internet lynch-mob mentality makes me retch.

re: #113 Cato the Elder

It's not over for the perpetrator either. Justice abides.

Anger so clouds the mind, that it cannot perceive the truth

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

But, the tag remains on the original comment, and if Charles needed to cross reference a altered comment clipped and pasted to another place, and connect it back to the actual original comment, the original would have the tag on it, thus help prove the intent of the original comment.

Without the tag, Charles has no recourse to prove the tone and tenor of the original comment.

Make sense?

If Charles makes tags mandatory, I will comply.

re: #105 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Wasn't his trial and conviction part of a deal struck with the Libyans about settling the claims of the Lockerbie families?

He was tried in Scotland, because there was a legal issue about the death penalty. In Scotland, there is no death penalty. In the U.S., there would have been.

re: #140 Cato the Elder

There's another explanation, too, which is that internet lynch-mob mentality makes me retch.

Welcome Home demonstrations in Libya don't make you retch?

F**king sick.

re: #143 quickjustice

He wasn't tried in Scotland. He was tried at The Hague -- that's in the Netherlands.

re: #142 Cato the Elder

If Charles makes tags mandatory, I will comply.

Grasp the subject, words will follow.

if it was a monetary or property crime fine let him out but once you have murdered forget about it.

If I ever do get to play St Andrews, my 14th club will now be a weedeater.

re: #145 FightingBack

Welcome Home demonstrations in Libya don't make you retch?

I'm not participating in them.

re: #105 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

the US could have tried to expedite him,but from what little I read the case was weak against him. Plus part of his appeal was that the Scot prosecutor did not turn over favorable evidence to his defense team,which would be required in US.As far as I could tell, and I know little of the evidence, he was found guilty b/c a Maltese tailor thinks he sold a shirt to Megrahi in Malta that was the same type found wrapped around the bomb.

re: #151 Cato the Elder

I'm not participating in them.

Never am I less alone than when I am by myself, never am I more active than when I do nothing.

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Thing is, Cato, we've got people calling all over the place for dealing with terrorists through the courts, not as a military problem. Well, this time the guy went through the court system and got a life sentence. Yet he was let go.

Do all unwell prisoners get furloughed, or their sentences abrogated? No. Why should this one--especially when he killed many, and especially when the hero's welcome was a certainty?

It is a nation's display of contempt for its own justice system--and we wonder why the societies which breed people who are eager for a chance to kill us hold us in contempt?

They hold us in contempt whatever we do. I'd rather earn their contempt for showing mercy than their respect for acting as they do.

GAZE

SAToC

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Thing is, Cato, we've got people calling all over the place for dealing with terrorists through the courts, not as a military problem. Well, this time the guy went through the court system and got a life sentence. Yet he was let go.

Do all unwell prisoners get furloughed, or their sentences abrogated? No. Why should this one--especially when he killed many, and especially when the hero's welcome was a certainty?

It is a nation's display of contempt for its own justice system--and we wonder why the societies which breed people who are eager for a chance to kill us hold us in contempt?

And of course had the situation been reversed Megrahi would have been summarily executed years ago in Lybia.

re: #137 Naso Tang

Oh, I presume he asked for volunteers for a possible suicide mission...

No they where just following orders...like all the good SS and Wehrmachts men...

Sorry, I had the stupid idea that since Nuernberg Trials this was no excuse anymore.
If you are part of an evil regime you are not innocent.

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

Well, Absolutely! Free the criminals and lock up the police! Must be done immediately! On the grounds of sound morality, of course.

re: #140 Cato the Elder

There's another explanation, too, which is that internet lynch-mob mentality makes me retch.

Typical hysteria? Please! I have seen no one here calling for an execution. I have only read posts showing anger, (that is well deserved by the way,) with the release of this obviously vile human being. If these posts make you want to retch, than you are going out of your way to find something to retch about.

re: #155 Cato the Elder

They hold us in contempt whatever we do. I'd rather earn their contempt for showing mercy than their respect for acting as they do.

We will never "act as they do", and you know it.

re: #155 Cato the Elder

They hold us in contempt whatever we do. I'd rather earn their contempt for showing mercy than their respect for acting as they do.

Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise.

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Never am I less alone than when I am by myself, never am I more active than when I do nothing.

I see I remembered to send you my book.

re: #152 beens21

If the case was weak, that's grounds for appeal not for "compassionate" release.

re: #161 capitalist piglet

We will never "act as they do", and you know it.

No, I don't.

re: #147 J.S.

I'm trying to remember why it was the Hague instead of the U.S., and why Scotland was selected as the jurisdiction of incarceration.

To expand upon my #62, before I take myself out to fix supper ...

Scotland now occupies a moral high ground which MQ can't even begin to comprehend. That's what I'm forced, against my wishes, to grant.

The gleeful celebration in Libya, and the mindset behind it, is another matter entirely. Upon THAT subject, I'd better bite my tongue, because it has to do with the cutting of flowers of a sunlit-yellow hue.

/*stalking from the room* ... bbl

re: #158 Joshua Cohen

No they where just following orders...like all the good SS and Wehrmachts men...

Sorry, I had the stupid idea that since Nuernberg Trials this was no excuse anymore.
If you are part of an evil regime you are not innocent.

That is what Hamas, OBL and countless other simpletons use to justify their actions, not to mention the recent fad of Nazi poster carriers.

Why don't you think about your own image a little more before you post here and pollute the atmosphere?

re: #164 Cato the Elder

I see I remembered to send you my book.

No, but I will email you my new address and I will accept one. And in return, I will send you a copy of my play "I Never Promised You A Rose Garden." It was published last month, this is the first time I have mentioned it here, I think.

Yes, I am throwing your namesakes own words back at you. Sorry, I don't agree with you on this subject.

re: #155 Cato the Elder

They hold us in contempt whatever we do. I'd rather earn their contempt for showing mercy than their respect for acting as they do.

You conclude that if Megrahi had finished his sentence in prison or a prison hospital until his death it would be morally equal to what the terrorists did to Flight 103?

re: #94 Cato the Elder

All of them verified terrorists of course. Not a wedding guest among 'em.

There were plenty of innocents killed in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as well, no doubt some of them wedding guests too.

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Because you quoted a nice round number, an infallible sign of nonsense.

Not when a precise number is unavailable but is reasonably at least as great as the quoted figure. Even so, your response is a non sequitur: If the statement is nonsensical, why would I not be able to exclude wedding guests? Do you make this kind of objection when lefties like Jay Diamond claim that 2 million Iraqi civilians have been killed in the war? You are changing the subject and posting a strawman about numbers while you ignore my real point: Our rage at 9-11 was hardly impotent.

I don't know how many terrorists have been killed, and neither do you. And neither does anyone else but God.

True enough, since the real number changes by the hour, whatever it might be.

The Israelis go to extraordinary lengths to spare civilians even at the risk of letting terrorists get away. So, I hope, do we

If they are setting a higher standard, I would like to see some evidence of this. As various suspects never tire of pointing out, even the Israelis cannot spare all the shields. For our part, our policy is open for all to see and has been for years.

re: #5 sonofsheldon

I'm sure they're only showing compassion, or would be showing compassion if the concept existed in their warped minds.

I had a little fun writing about the clergy in the British Isles in a bit of fan fiction:

They had to bring in the vicar from FU's district in Southampton to officiate. Most of the senior Anglican clergy, especially the Archbishop of Canterbury, who very thoroughly loathed FU wanted no part of the whole affair. My (lack of) God! What a f***ing waste of mass and energy! The current Archbishop of Canterbury would rather quote from Marx and Engels than from Jesus Christ and he'd rather do [the Monica] on an Ayatollah or a Soviet Commissar than say a kind word about Western Civilization.

re: #155 Cato the Elder

They hold us in contempt whatever we do. I'd rather earn their contempt for showing mercy than their respect for acting as they do.

We earn more than their contempt, as 9-11 shows.
I'd rather earn their fear...like in 'don't fuck with us'.

High volume on Karma Mutual Funds this evening I see.

re: #167 quickjustice

The Libyans insisted that the three judges be Scottish (I have no idea why/how that came about -- what was it? bribes? I don't know and, I thought it was truly amazing that they even got a conviction -- I was half expecting a medal of some sort -- who knows what takes place behind closed doors in Europe -- it's all about Lords FontyAss, secret deals, and backrooms -- that's "justice" in Europe. )

In other news, the Dow is above 1,000.

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

Fry Mumia!

FTFY

re: #179 Cato the Elder

In other news, the Dow is above 1,000.

I mean the S&P. Whatever.

re: #166 Cato the Elder

re: #161 capitalist piglet

We will never "act as they do", and you know it.

No, I don't.

Then you have my pity, Cato. You have no idea who Americans are. None.

re: #6 Killgore Trout

They passed out candies and danced in the streets in Gaza on 9-11. The Islamic world loves terrorism.

We have to remember that The Big Mo' practically invented modern terrorism.

A friend of mine had a family member on this flight.

I need to get out of here now.

re: #181 Cato the Elder

I mean the S&P. Whatever.

You were right the first time; the Dow is above 1000.

re: #183 The Other Les

We have to remember that The Big Mo' practically invented modern terrorism.

I thought it was the Tamil Tigers.

re: #184 capitalist piglet

A friend of mine had a family member on this flight.

I need to get out of here now.

Stop the world; I want to get off...

re: #165 FightingBack

his case was on appeal as of August 2009 and it looked to me from what I read was that his conviction may have been overturned for a new trial. The attorney who prosecuted him said as much.I think part of the deal was that he drop the appeal, which he did.

re: #182 capitalist piglet

Then you have my pity, Cato. You have no idea who Americans are. None.

I do know some Americans personally. I would never presume to vouch for the rest.

re: #188 beens21

his case was on appeal as of August 2009 and it looked to me from what I read was that his conviction may have been overturned for a new trial. The attorney who prosecuted him said as much.I think part of the deal was that he drop the appeal, which he did.

Was the Hero's Welcome part of the deal?

re: #122 Joshua Cohen

Yes its life sentence - until the end of his life.
And just given because they lack terminal.

But why did the US never ask for him, to get this murderer of many of its citizen under own control?

Do we know that? Is there an extradition issue with a country that may impose the death penalty? Or even an issue from Scottland's side that turning him over to the U.S. would be usurping their rule of law (such as it is).

Is there enough evidence to indict/convict him in a U.S. court?

I really don't know the specifics of the trial (other than he was convicted).

compassion to me would be sending his casket home after the SOB died

Here's the report on the criminal inquiry from Wikipedia:

"Known as the Lockerbie bombing and the Lockerbie air disaster in the UK, it was described by Scotland's Lord Advocate as the UK's largest criminal inquiry led by the smallest police force in Britain (Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary).[3] Since 180 of the victims were American, the bombing stood as the deadliest terrorist attack against the United States until the September 11, 2001 attacks. After a three-year joint investigation by the Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary and the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, during which 15,000 witness statements were taken, indictments for murder were issued on 13 November 1991 against Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, a Libyan intelligence officer and the head of security for Libyan Arab Airlines (LAA), and Lamin Khalifah Fhimah, the LAA station manager in Luqa Airport, Malta. United Nations sanctions against Libya and protracted negotiations with the Libyan leader Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi secured the handover of the accused on 5 April 1999 to Scottish police at Camp Zeist, Netherlands, chosen as a neutral venue for their trial.

Both accused chose not to give evidence in court. On 31 January 2001, Megrahi was convicted of murder by a panel of three Scottish judges and sentenced to 27 years in prison. Fhimah was acquitted. Megrahi's appeal against his conviction was refused on 14 March 2002, and his application to the European Court of Human Rights was declared inadmissible in July 2003. On 23 September 2003, Megrahi applied to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) for his conviction to be reviewed, and on 28 June 2007 the SCCRC announced[4] its decision to refer the case to the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh after it found he "may have suffered a miscarriage of justice".

Megrahi served eight years of his sentence in Greenock Prison, during which time he maintained that he was innocent. He was released from prison on 20 August 2009. On both sides of the Atlantic, there were mixed feelings within the victims families about his release."

re: #166 Cato the Elder

No, I don't.

I think the first virtue is to restrain the tongue; he approaches nearest to gods who knows how to be silent, even though he is in the right.

Late to the thread. This makes me want to puke up the lovely supper I just made. Sick fuckers.

re: #169 Naso Tang

That is what Hamas, OBL and countless other simpletons use to justify their actions, not to mention the recent fad of Nazi poster carriers.

Why don't you think about your own image a little more before you post here and pollute the atmosphere?

Ah sure.
These people declared war on us and these guys are following orders...so the are no civilians. Or at least legitimate targets under the war conventions, that includes civilians who work at weapon factories or to enable military adventures.

Just because we act like there is not war and no danger out there it does not become the truth.

And sorry, Gazans vote Hamas into power and cheer about any rocket that kills jews, they are aiding the enemy, hiding weapons in there houses, let them fire from there backyard, provide help and care - so I am sorry if I feel not gulity to label them as not innocent anymore.

re: #191 keithgabryelski

I really don't know the specifics of the trial (other than he was convicted).

And sentenced to life in prison.

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

If I had to venture a guess, it is another case of Socialist Moral Inversion Syndrome.

re: #171 Gus 802

You conclude that if Megrahi had finished his sentence in prison or a prison hospital until his death it would be morally equal to what the terrorists did to Flight 103?

I conclude nothing of the kind.

re: #6 Killgore Trout

They passed out candies and danced in the streets in Gaza on 9-11. The Islamic world loves terrorism.

Besides food, another topic we can find common ground on KT.

re: #28 Gus 802

This was a decision "respected" or endorsed by the Church of Scotland.

A repost of sorts:

Kirk: Lockerbie decision a defining moment for all of us

Thank God I'm an atheist.

;)

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

I think the first virtue is to restrain the tongue; he approaches nearest to gods who knows how to be silent, even though he is in the right.

Thanks for that, Walter, ... from and for myself.

re: #197 FightingBack

And sentenced to life in prison.

I may be wrong. It might have been 27 years, unless he got sick, in which case he would be flown to Libya to enjoy a hero's welcome.

re: #202 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks for that, Walter, ... from and for myself.

The words are from Cato the Elder, the real one, I just thought it said something in this case.

re: #38 Killgore Trout

As I recall this deal was cut a few years ago. The Libyans stopped their nuke program and paid some sort of monetary reparations for the Lockerbie bombing. In return we eased sanctions gave them international recognition and agreed to release the bombers. I think this all came out about 2-3 years ago.

But surely it wouldn't have happened if Obama hadn't asked the Libyans to unclench would it?

//Gah. What a world, what a world...

re: #57 Cato the Elder

I detect a strong odor of impotent rage. Never a good thing.

Hey Cato, is your sole goal in life to piss off as many Lizards off as possible about all subjects? Come on you are better than this.

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Do you have any idea about how many lawyers would jump on double jeopardy? It would make Gitmo look like play school...
Is it time for Lawyer jokes yet? Hehehe...Lawhawk is so going to ding me..*wink*

The POS was tried in another country, Double Jeopardy is not applicable.

And, as far as I'm aware, there are also no statute of limitations set for crimes of murder under any US state or Federal laws.

Anyone is welcome to correct me if that is not true.

re: #191 keithgabryelski

Do we know that? Is there an extradition issue with a country that may impose the death penalty? Or even an issue from Scottland's side that turning him over to the U.S. would be usurping their rule of law (such as it is).

Is there enough evidence to indict/convict him in a U.S. court?

I really don't know the specifics of the trial (other than he was convicted).

Nobody will extradite anyone to the US if the death penalty is on the cards, and if we want them bad enough we have to bend over and kiss ass to promise not to apply it.

At least in the US we let them die in prison if it's life without parole.

I think the death penalty is a waste of our time and resources and only intended to make some people feel good.

Personally I think rotting in prison and getting buggered from time to time, is much more satisfying than a quick execution from the revenge perspective; and from the religious perspective they all end up in the same place anyway.

This is a huge political victory and a morale boost for violent, expansionist Islamists everywhere. Did the Scottish authorities even consider that?

re: #38 Killgore Trout

As I recall this deal was cut a few years ago. The Libyans stopped their nuke program and paid some sort of monetary reparations for the Lockerbie bombing. In return we eased sanctions gave them international recognition and agreed to release the bombers. I think this all came out about 2-3 years ago.

So this is Bush's fault?!

re: #210 Sharmuta

Sorry- that was supposed to be sarcasm.

Whatever his involvement, I think this guy was a scapegoat for a bigger fish, i.e., Qaddafi himself. Qaddafi had lost children in Reagan's bombing. It was time for revenge on innocent Americans.

What's so wrong with the treatment of cancer in Scotland? Don't they have Socialized Medicine there?

re: #193 quickjustice

Greenock Prison:

Toilet and shower.

Residential areas

HMP Greenock is divided into three separate residential areas, known as halls.

Ailsa Hall

Ailsa Hall is the Prison's largest hall with a design capacity of 131, although this is usually exceeded. It holds all of Greenock's remand prisoners, short term prisoners (STPs) and a small selection of long term prisoners (LTPs). This hall consists of mainly shared accommodation with electric power in cells and integral sanitation facilities.

It's looking like the entire West needs the biggest Cialis pill those evvill pharm companies can produce.

re: #38 Killgore Trout

As I recall this deal was cut a few years ago. The Libyans stopped their nuke program and paid some sort of monetary reparations for the Lockerbie bombing. In return we eased sanctions gave them international recognition and agreed to release the bombers. I think this all came out about 2-3 years ago.

So much for the deal we made with the UK to have them tried in Scotland as long as their sentence was served (in full) in Scotland.

Boy, that hopey-changey-the world's-gonna-respect-and-love-us thing sure is working out well, isn't it?

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

The words are from Cato the Elder, the real one, I just thought it said something in this case.

:D ... didn't know that ... :D !

re: #64 HelloDare

Or we'll what?

Pout and shout and stomp our little feet.

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

I thought comments that mention violence and the death of someone was not allowed here?

This is over the edge.

I think Cato is quoting there.

re: #203 FightingBack

I may be wrong. It might have been 27 years, unless he got sick, in which case he would be flown to Libya to enjoy a hero's welcome.

Yeah, Jim Lehrer News Hour had an interview with a Libyan who obviously thought his release meant he was found innocent.

The misunderstanding is (probably) not the Scotts' fault, but none-the-less not a good message.

If the Scottish authorities did this because of lingering doubts about Megrahi's guilt, they should say so.
That is a very different issue and would cast an entirely different light on the decision: He is terminally ill, there is no time for the appeals process to work itself out, and it would therefore be better to err on the side of caution and let him go home.
Is this not reasonable?

'Cojones' is a concept thoroughly lost on British and Scottish public figures. Not to mention morale.

Long lost are the days of a Churchill.

re: #80 Fast Eddie

I haven't read all the threads so I don't know if someone else has already made this point, but this is precisely the reason why we should never allow the Gitmo prisoners to be jailed in the US.

If we do -- eventually, some liberal lawyer is going to convince some liberal judge that they need to be released, for reasons of [fill in the blank.]

And God help us all, the rule of law is the last thing we need.

//

re: #200 Erik The Red

Besides food, another topic we can find common ground on KT.

I cruised into the office at 10am on 911. Wasn't there a Monday night football game on the night before? I forget..I slept in..Had not even turned on the news..Just a sleepy morning..When I walked into the office
There were some people high fiving by my cube...Contractors from India...Soon a TV was set up...We let those contractors go...There were private words spoken...
I will never forget 911...

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

If the Scottish authorities did this because of lingering doubts about Megrahi's guilt, they should say so.
That is a very different issue and would cast an entirely different light on the decision: He is terminally ill, there is no time for the appeals process to work itself out, and it would therefore be better to err on the side of caution and let him go home.
Is this not reasonable?

Reasonable, if they could be trusted not to hail him as a hero.
How did that work out?

re: #212 quickjustice

Whatever his involvement, I think this guy was a scapegoat for a bigger fish, i.e., Qaddafi himself. Qaddafi had lost children in Reagan's bombing. It was time for revenge on innocent Americans.

No, he did not. He lost what could be described as a foster child.

Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi is a sick man, I think we should send him a care package, some tooth paste, toothbrush, a comb, maybe a manicure kit, oh, a a radio cassette player.

re: #226 MandyManners

No, he did not. He lost what could be described as a foster child.

Ah, he did it "for the children."
/

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

If the Scottish authorities did this because of lingering doubts about Megrahi's guilt, they should say so.
That is a very different issue and would cast an entirely different light on the decision: He is terminally ill, there is no time for the appeals process to work itself out, and it would therefore be better to err on the side of caution and let him go home.
Is this not reasonable?

No, it's not reasonable. You don't get to unilaterally decide who is innocent and guilty. That's why we have a court system. He wasn't pardoned, he was set free.

re: #222 callahan23

'Cojones' is a concept thoroughly lost on British and Scottish public figures. Not to mention morale.

Long lost are the days of a Churchill.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

re: #112 pleaseandthankyou

This incident caused me to read the wikipedia entry on the bombing and the trial. First off, I don't know what the consensus is on whether wikipedia is a reliable source, but here is the passage that I was surprised (shocked) to read, regarding the prosecutions key piece of evidence:

Elsewhere, it states the circuit board was never tested for bomb residue for "budgetary reasons". Seriously?!

I, like all of you, am outraged to this day by this crime, and want justice to be done, but this casts doubt on the verdicts, no? I'm hoping someone will debunk this because I want to believe that they at least got one of the guys responsible for this atrocity.

Wikipedia is absolute crap as a source, which doesn't mean that any given piece of info in it is wrong. Just that any given piece of info COULD be wrong.

My suggestion is to use it as a jumping-off point, but double-check anything it tells you.

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

The mass murderer had to take back his appeal -- it's the way getting released from prison works -- if there's an appeal pending then the mass murderer couldn't have been set free -- hence the withdrawal of the appeal motion.

re: #196 Joshua Cohen

Ah sure.
These people declared war on us and these guys are following orders...so the are no civilians. Or at least legitimate targets under the war conventions, that includes civilians who work at weapon factories or to enable military adventures.

Just because we act like there is not war and no danger out there it does not become the truth.

And sorry, Gazans vote Hamas into power and cheer about any rocket that kills jews, they are aiding the enemy, hiding weapons in there houses, let them fire from there backyard, provide help and care - so I am sorry if I feel not gulity to label them as not innocent anymore.

I presume you believe in the rule of law, at least our law?

Libya has not declared war (at least not since this attrocity when we should have bombed the hell out of them), and even in this country people who refused to operate a flight for political beliefs would be out of a job.

You still sound like Tariq Ramadan, and having the name Cohen doesn't make that any more pleasant.

re: #222 callahan23

'Cojones' is a concept thoroughly lost on British and Scottish public figures. Not to mention morale.

Long lost are the days of a Churchill.

Shit, The Won even gave the bust of him back !

Nevermore.

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Show of strength! Bomb Lockerbie now!

You are a tired fool. Nothing more.

Mercy and Justice do not occupy the same place.

There was no justice and mercy would have been letting him be buried in Libya once he had expired.

Of course it could be that the Scottish Health care system was making cuts and he was no longer eligible to receive benefits...

Why is it that every terrorist act is now some grand conspiracy?

By the way, Capitalist Piglet just gave me his pity, which I don't need. I'm offering ten free successive updings (regardless of whether I agree with your comment or not) to the one who takes it off my hands. You are responsible for shipping, insurance, pickup and storage charges. Any takers?

re: #106 Sharmuta

The crew is innocent, you know.

One of Niven's Laws: If there is one thing dumber than throwing a bag of (excrement) at a cop, it's standing next to the idiot throwing the bags.

re: #34 Cato the Elder

I for one couldn't care less whether this man dies in prison or in Libya. It's over.

If justice had truly been served, this piece of s**t would have been at the end of a rope 8 years ago...

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

Hmm, so a convicted multi-murderer on California's death row, suffering from what is thought to be terminal cancer (< than 3 months to live), should be released because his 2nd or 3rd or 4th appeal would not be completed before he would likely pass away from the disease?

No, treat him in the prison hospital and let the appeal move forward. As in the case of anyone in CA's death row, and this prisoner, he's already had and lost at least 1 appeal. Unless that 'new' evidence is very compelling (release it then), there is no reason why the sentence should be commuted pending a future death.

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

Shit, The Won even gave the bust of him back !

Nevermore.

Which proves his lack of morals.

re: #237 Wendya

Why is it that every terrorist act is now some grand conspiracy?

Terrorism requires lots of people. It is a conspiracy.

Thanks a lot, Scotland. Bastards.

re: #161 capitalist piglet

We will never "act as they do", and you know it.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we don't have to consistently discipline ourselves to achieve that result. It doesn't happen naturally just because we're the good guys.

That said, I fail to see any good reason for sending this guy home, except for deal-making purposes.

re: #243 SasquatchOnSteroids

Terrorism requires lots of people. It is a conspiracy.

There are exceptions to every rule. Think Tim McVeigh or Baruch Goldstein.

Terror comes in many forms.

re: #229 Wendya

No, it's not reasonable. You don't get to unilaterally decide who is innocent and guilty. That's why we have a court system. He wasn't pardoned, he was set free.

I am not endorsing this decision as it stands, but proposing a hypothetical alternative. He is out either way. Again, if doubt about his guilt was the reason, the Scottish authorities should have said so. But they didn't.

re: #224 HoosierHoops

I cruised into the office at 10am on 911. Wasn't there a Monday night football game on the night before? I forget..I slept in..Had not even turned on the news..Just a sleepy morning..When I walked into the office
There were some people high fiving by my cube...Contractors from India...Soon a TV was set up...We let those contractors go...There were private words spoken...
I will never forget 911...

You are kidding; not I presume. Contractors from India? I've known plenty of Indians (the other kind) in my time and that is not their persuasion. Are you sure they weren't Pakistanis? Americans are not good on these distinctions unless they are watching Fox. //

Eagles vs Colts on right now. Any chance of seeing "Mad Dog Vick" tonight?

re: #241 Athos

Hmm, so a convicted multi-murderer on California's death row, suffering from what is thought to be terminal cancer (< than 3 months to live), should be released because his 2nd or 3rd or 4th appeal would not be completed before he would likely pass away from the disease?

No, treat him in the prison hospital and let the appeal move forward. As in the case of anyone in CA's death row, and this prisoner, he's already had and lost at least 1 appeal. Unless that 'new' evidence is very compelling (release it then), there is no reason why the sentence should be commuted pending a future death.

I agree. Everyone dies eventually. Should they all be released when this is imminent?
Is it a "life sentence" or a "life sentence unless life seems a little short?"

re: #243 SasquatchOnSteroids

Terrorism requires lots of people. It is a conspiracy.

What I meant was the propensity for certain people of a certain mindset to look back at every terrorist attack and absolve the people responsible while concocting some grand plot to show who was "really behind it".

re: #140 Cato the Elder

There's another explanation, too, which is that internet lynch-mob mentality makes me retch.

You are a one man lynch mob, all by yourself.

I wrote a lengthy research paper about the Reagan Administration's propaganda against Qadaffi for a 400-level propaganda course taught by a retired propagandist for the CIA.

re: #241 Athos

I actually don't buy the "compassion" crap -- and for all anyone actually knows, is the alleged cancer diagnosis real or yet another claim by the Lord Fontyasses?

re: #252 Wendya

What I meant was the propensity for certain people of a certain mindset to look back at every terrorist attack and absolve the people responsible while concocting some grand plot to show who was "really behind it".

OK, misread that. I see your point.

I do not enjoy the amount of sheer hate that is coursing through my veins tonight.

This is not what I am about, but, I can't help it.

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel

I am not endorsing this decision as it stands, but proposing a hypothetical alternative. He is out either way. Again, if doubt about his guilt was the reason, the Scottish authorities should have said so. But they didn't.

That son of a bitch shouldn't get one happy moment in his home surrounded by his family. He denied that to his victims. This isn't compassion, it's pure idiocy.

re: #250 Erik The Red

Eagles vs Colts on right now. Any chance of seeing "Mad Dog Vick" tonight?

Let me know if he gets blindsided.
You'll get an upding for it.

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do not enjoy the amount of sheer hate that is coursing through my veins tonight.

This is not what I am about, but, I can't help it.

You have the gene for Social Justice, eh?

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

Curiously, these are the same people who want terrorist problems handled entirely by the courts.

These same people are also the one's to use the - One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter - as justification for lenient treatment within the courts for these actual or attempted mass murderers.

re: #155 Cato the Elder

They hold us in contempt whatever we do. I'd rather earn their contempt for showing mercy for Osama Bin Laden than their respect for acting as they do.

FTFY Seems more fitting for you.

re: #238 Cato the Elder

By the way, Capitalist Piglet just gave me his pity, which I don't need. I'm offering ten free successive updings (regardless of whether I agree with your comment or not) to the one who takes it off my hands. You are responsible for shipping, insurance, pickup and storage charges. Any takers?

Once again, Cato, you have shown you can be an insufferable prick at times...

re: #216 Wendya

So much for the deal we made with the UK to have them tried in Scotland as long as their sentence was served (in full) in Scotland.

Boy, that hopey-changey-the world's-gonna-respect-and-love-us thing sure is working out well, isn't it?

I don't think we'd started that program when this deal was cut, if I understand the background correctly.

re: #255 J.S.

I actually don't buy the "compassion" crap -- and for all anyone actually knows, is the alleged cancer diagnosis real or yet another claim by the Lord Fontyasses?

I'm sure the diagnosis is real. Of course what passes for terminal under the NHS isn't a done deal in many other parts of the world.

re: #240 talon_262

If justice had truly been served, this piece of s**t would have been at the end of a rope 8 years ago...

Part of the problem is treating terrorism as a law enforcement problem.

Capture, try and hang just doesn't and can't work. It's reactive.

To flip the bumper sticker. Terrorism is War. We need to treat it as such. In war not only are the ones conducting operations targeted, so is the entire supply and command and control structure. The point is to make the opponents decide to continue the war untenable.

In the big picture, if the Libyan government (Qaddafi) was responsible for the bombing, then this guy is a small fish who was "only obeying orders". (He's still a murderer, of course.) If done by a foreign government, that was an act of war against the U.S. and Scotland.

Rather than declare war against Libya, we (Bush the Elder and then Clinton and Albright) chose to treat it as a diplomatic and legal matter. This is the disgraceful outcome. Qadaffi escapes entirely, his henchman takes the fall, and gets an early release from the Scots, and a hero's welcome.

Oh, and a verbal condemnation by Secretary of State Clinton, which means she already knew this was happening, and warning from President Obama not to celebrate, which is roundly ignored by the Libyans.

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

If the Scottish authorities did this because of lingering doubts about Megrahi's guilt, they should say so.
That is a very different issue and would cast an entirely different light on the decision: He is terminally ill, there is no time for the appeals process to work itself out, and it would therefore be better to err on the side of caution and let him go home.
Is this not reasonable?

Are we nations of law or nations that 'err on the side of caution?'