Video: The People Behind Doug Hoffman’s Candidacy

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Michael Long is chairman of the New York state Conservative Party. This is Long’s speech to supporters on the steps of the Capitol Building in Albany (on June 9, 2009).

A glimpse of the agenda of the people behind Doug Hoffman’s candidacy in New York’s 23rd congressional district.

Youtube Video

Another video from this rally:

Youtube Video

(Hat tip: Thanos.)

UPDATE at 10/28/09 7:27:40 pm:

Chris Matthews tries to corner Michael Long into expressing a real opinion:

Youtube Video

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413 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:11:38pm

I guess this explains Buchanan’s endorsement:
Newt, Sarah and a New GOP

by Patrick J. Buchanan

3 Kragar  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:15:11pm

So pretty much the people we expected. Right wing wackos.

4 lawrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:15:20pm

Headline: Myopic fools continue to enjoy cutting off nose, spiting face.
/sigh

5 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:15:57pm

Thanks for the h/t but never needed in my case at least.

Here’s Chris Matthews trying to corner the Chairman of the NY Conservative party, this is hilarious

Youtube Video

6 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:16:25pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I guess this explains Buchanan’s endorsement:
Newt, Sarah and a New GOP

by Patrick J. Buchanan

I see ‘rogue’ is the new ‘maverick.’

7 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:16:34pm

Interesting how the horses ass (the statue that is) faces the steps of the Capitol Building.

8 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:16:49pm

The second video is creepy with the militaristic and nationalistic imagery and soundtrack. A coat of arms? This just reeks of fascism, to be frank.

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:16:55pm

“They want nothing more than a secular society. We can’t let that happen!”

Uhhh, Founding fathers? Hello?

10 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:17:15pm

I couldn’t help but notice that he pulled the typical secular meme paranoia.

11 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:17:38pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

They also want to make English the official language, coupled with the above this demonstrates that they are also into the nativist/ identity/ culture war politics movement.

12 Kragar  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

“They want nothing more than a secular society. We can’t let that happen!”

Uhhh, Founding fathers? Hello?

Separation of Church and State? Nope, just a typo, they’ll fix it.

///

13 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:18:24pm

Shades of Anita Bryant.

14 subliminator  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:18:31pm

OK. I watched the videos. They are tagged as “Extremism”. If this is extreme, then being an American is extreme. Go Hoffman.

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #11 Thanos

Wow, this is going to get interesting.

16 albusteve  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:19:33pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

Shades of Anita Bryant.

Jack Blacks for me

17 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:20:24pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

The second video is creepy with the militaristic and nationalistic imagery and soundtrack. A coat of arms? This just reeks of fascism, to be frank.

That’s a nationwide youth group I believe, I’ve seen some other strange vids on them.
/*cough*linite.

18 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:20:50pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

“They want nothing more than a secular society. We can’t let that happen!”

Uhhh, Founding fathers? Hello?

Buncha damn commies ;)
When I was at Monticello a couple weeks back. I read many a quote by Jefferson that would have the Christian Right cringing and demonizing him.

19 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:21:10pm

re: #14 subliminator

For NY, it’s very extreme.

20 countrockulot  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:21:14pm

There are a lot of people I don’t think should be doing lots of different things. Thank God the founders set it up so I couldn’t tell them what to do and they can’t tell me what to do.

This incredible piece of wisdom is one I wish the Christian right could embrace.

21 lawrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:21:15pm

Oh crap, Realclearpolitics just linked to RS McCain.

22 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:21:54pm
We do not want to be a European society. We came to this country for religious freedom. We came to theis country to practice our religion, and we came to this country to speak out of what is morally right and morally wrong.

Bull. How many people in that crowd left Europe for religious freedom in the USA. I say not even one.

23 Kragar  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:22:04pm

re: #14 subliminator

So you’re in favor of white nationalist militias who favor a theocratic interpretation of the Constitution?

24 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:22:16pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wow, this is going to get interesting.

If you watch the Chris Matthews vid you can see him ducking abortion, gay marriage, and evolution questions as well.

25 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:23:05pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They aren’t quite militia, they are more like the VDARE tea cup racialists.

26 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:23:09pm

re: #21 lawrior

Oh crap, Realclearpolitics just linked to RS McCain.

Are they blind, or just stupid?

27 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:23:33pm

re: #14 subliminator

OK. I watched the videos. They are tagged as “Extremism”. If this is extreme, then being an American is extreme. Go Hoffman.

Imposing religion through laws is what theocracy is all about. Thats extremism.

28 subliminator  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:23:46pm

re: #19 Thanos

For NY, it’s very extreme.

I will grant that. For NY, it is indeed very extreme.

29 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:23:58pm

They should rename this party the Keyhole Party. That is they seem to be intent on looking through other people keyholes and into their bedrooms.

30 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:24:30pm

re: #14 subliminator

OK. I watched the videos. They are tagged as “Extremism”. If this is extreme, then being an American is extreme. Go Hoffman.

Extremism is one of the tags.

I consider attacks on secularism to be extreme. And I’m a practicing Catholic. Leave the church in the village and don’t shove it into politics, thank you very much. Not when we have so many different churches in this great country.

And why do we have such a vibrant religious life? Because the government is secular.

31 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #11 Thanos

They also want to make English the official language, coupled with the above this demonstrates that they are also into the nativist/ identity/ culture war politics movement.

No wonder agent Stacy McCain of the vlaams belang went to cover this story.

32 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:25:52pm

re: #6 jaunte

I see ‘rogue’ is the new ‘maverick.’

Thought that was lipstick and rouge.

33 kobra_55  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:25:54pm

Here’s to hoping that this latest round of stubborn and closed-minded rants by the religious right against gay marriage (among other things) is what finally marginalizes them within the Republican party.

*raises beer*

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:26:00pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

Extremism is one of the tags.

I consider attacks on secularism to be extreme. And I’m a practicing Catholic. Leave the church in the village and don’t shove it into politics, thank you very much. Not when we have so many different churches in this great country.

And why do we have such a vibrant religious life? Because the government is secular.

Quite Concur.

35 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:27:31pm

A slightly OT aside on Michael Long and his personal politics and worldview.

A few years back, his son, FDNY firefighter Matthew Long was nearly killed in a bike accident. The accident occurred because his son was biking to work during the transit strike called by TWU Local 100; Long blamed the union for his son’s injuries. I have no doubt that this seriously affects his views on unions and political views in general.

His dissatisfaction with the GOP these days is running so deep that he’s calling on conservatives to stop contributing to the NRCC. This too may be a personal catfight between top conservative/GOP leaders in NYS; and that’s spilling over into the national GOP schism developing between right wing and all others.

36 rollwave87  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:27:43pm

props to charles and thanos for shining a spotlight onto the cretins behind hoffman’s candidacy. i hope people like pawlenty are aware of the kind of hateful cavemen they got in bed with when they endorsed the joke hoffman…who according to dede’s site dodged another debate today.

37 Athens Runaway  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:27:55pm

re: #33 kobra_55

Here’s to hoping that this latest round of stubborn and closed-minded rants by the religious right against gay marriage (among other things) is what finally marginalizes them within the Republican party.

*raises beer*

“And we’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces, singing…”

38 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:28:39pm

Hoffman: Carrying the endorsement of a white supremacist neo-confederate, the extreme religious right, and a hitler apologist. Great candidate …

/not

39 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:29:09pm

“God’s Marriage”?

I didn’t even know he was engaged. Does this mean I’m not invited to the wedding?

40 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:29:09pm

re: #37 Athens Runaway

“And we’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces, singing…”

whiskey for my men, and beer for my horses.

41 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:29:20pm
42 Athens Runaway  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:29:41pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder

“God’s Marriage”?

I didn’t even know he was engaged. Does this mean I’m not invited to the wedding?

It’ll be a hell of a party?

43 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:29:54pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder

“God’s Marriage”?

I didn’t even know he was engaged. Does this mean I’m not invited to the wedding?

What would you get as a gift? It’s kind of intimidating when you think about it.

44 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:30:00pm

re: #35 lawhawk

A slightly OT aside on Michael Long and his personal politics and worldview.

A few years back, his son, FDNY firefighter Matthew Long was nearly killed in a bike accident. The accident occurred because his son was biking to work during the transit strike called by TWU Local 100; Long blamed the union for his son’s injuries. I have no doubt that this seriously affects his views on unions and political views in general.

His dissatisfaction with the GOP these days is running so deep that he’s calling on conservatives to stop contributing to the NRCC. This too may be a personal catfight between top conservative/GOP leaders in NYS; and that’s spilling over into the national GOP schism developing between right wing and all others.

So he’s really trying to destroy the Republicans in NY. Out of 31 congressional offices in NY I think we hold like three? He’s trying to lose us one here.

45 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:30:06pm

I went to check on agent stacy mccain of the vlaams belang tonight to find him almost exclusively covering this NY 23 race for hoffman. Are any of these “true conservatives” in NY bothered by this association?

46 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:30:46pm

re: #36 rollwave87

props to charles and thanos for shining a spotlight onto the cretins behind hoffman’s candidacy. i hope people like pawlenty are aware of the kind of hateful cavemen they got in bed with when they endorsed the joke hoffman…who according to dede’s site dodged another debate today.

I would say he and palin knew exactly what they were doing.

47 lawrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:31:00pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I hoping for ignorant on this one.

48 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:31:55pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

“They want nothing more than a secular society. We can’t let that happen!”

Uhhh, Founding fathers? Hello?

I thought the desire was for a secular government.

49 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:32:02pm

re: #36 rollwave87

props to charles and thanos for shining a spotlight onto the cretins behind hoffman’s candidacy. i hope people like pawlenty are aware of the kind of hateful cavemen they got in bed with when they endorsed the joke hoffman…who according to dede’s site dodged another debate today.

He’s dodging debates because he knows he’s unelectable in NY if people get any inkling of what he’s really about.

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:32:31pm

re: #14 subliminator

OK. I watched the videos. They are tagged as “Extremism”. If this is extreme, then being an American is extreme. Go Hoffman.

I predict your time here will be very eventful!

51 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:32:42pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

I went to check on agent stacy mccain of the vlaams belang tonight to find him almost exclusively covering this NY 23 race for hoffman. Are any of these “true conservatives” in NY bothered by this association?

f true conservatives don’t mind being associated with Robert Stacy McCain, then mark me down as a RINO.

52 subliminator  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:32:59pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So you’re in favor of white nationalist militias who favor a theocratic interpretation of the Constitution?

No. I am in favor of people being able to peaceably assemble and express their freedom of political speech. Looks to me that is what was happening here.

53 Kragar  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:33:12pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

f true conservatives don’t mind being associated with Robert Stacy McCain, then mark me down as a RINO.

SPLITTER!

54 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:33:14pm

re: #41 MandyManners

Which is a rather archaic position on their part especially since they are “applying” this to adult women.

Found that while browsing here if anyone else want to do the same.

55 Cato the Elder  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:33:53pm

re: #41 MandyManners

CPNY on the Pill.

[…] Party Position: Health coverage for individuals is an important issue facing New York residents as well as all Americans. The fact that government is about to mandate that employers provide contraceptives to their employees oversteps its role in requiring what kind of coverage employees need to be healthy. […]

As if it had anything to do with businesses. It’s the insurance companies that would be required to offer birth-control coverage, not “businesses providing contraceptives to their employees”.

And if you don’t like birth control, don’t use it.

56 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:34:34pm

re: #5 Thanos

Thanks for the h/t but never needed in my case at least.

Here’s Chris Matthews trying to corner the Chairman of the NY Conservative party, this is hilarious


[Video]

Updated with this one too. Gracias.

57 SteveC  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:35:17pm

re: #6 jaunte

I see ‘rogue’ is the new ‘maverick.’

Who is Goose?

58 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:35:54pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

As if it had anything to do with businesses. It’s the insurance companies that would be required to offer birth-control coverage, not “businesses providing contraceptives to their employees”.

And if you don’t like birth control, don’t use it.

And I’m pretty sure that contraception coverage is also more cost effective not only for insurance companies but for businesses in the long run.

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:36:44pm

re: #41 MandyManners

Wh-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-WOW.

Next up, the CPNY takes a stance that is pro-buckle shoes, and hey, whatever happened to the horse and buggy? Bring those back too! What’re these new fangled aut-yo-moe-biles?

60 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:37:02pm

re: #57 SteveC

Isn’t that Hoffman in the middle?
Image: goose-and-maverick.jpg

61 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:37:58pm

re: #5 Thanos

Thanks for the h/t but never needed in my case at least.

Here’s Chris Matthews trying to corner the Chairman of the NY Conservative party, this is hilarious


Wow, that guy doesn’t like answering questions.

62 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:38:16pm

Traditional Family and Property?

Why is it that I get the feeling that women are the “property”?

63 SteveC  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:38:32pm

re: #60 jaunte

Isn’t that Hoffman in the middle?
[Link: www.amoeba.com…]

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

64 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:38:53pm

re: #57 SteveC

Who is Goose?

Goose is the outreach ability of the GOP. Like Goose, its a decent thing that does an important job and does it well and like Goose its getting killed.

65 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:39:40pm

re: #41 MandyManners

It’s very common for fascists to be misogynists. It’s a woman’s place to help her nation by producing more citizens.

Good find, Gus, and thanks for sharing it again, Mandy.

66 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:40:26pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Wow, that guy doesn’t like answering questions.

He commented on property taxes. Which I believe are too high in the Northeast. However, what does that have to do with a federal congressional election?

67 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:40:53pm
68 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:41:11pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Really not answering, not at all. But he’s sure got his Pat Toomey Talking points lined up. I bet he’s doing the dirty tricks campaign against Scozzafava.

69 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:41:30pm

re: #67 MandyManners

re: #55 Cato the Elder

re: #59 WindUpBird

As I speculated in the previous thread, I wonder what the party’s position is on Viagra.

Head back. Mouth open.

70 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:41:38pm

re: #67 MandyManners

I’m sure they are firmly pro-business.

71 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:42:50pm
72 Athens Runaway  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:43:05pm

re: #68 Thanos

Really not answering, not at all. But he’s sure got his Pat Toomey Talking points lined up. I bet he’s doing the dirty tricks campaign against Scozzafava.

Pat Toomey? I’m not sure I follow.

73 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:43:16pm

re: #70 jaunte

Dede’s more pro business, if you watched her interview that was in spinoffs last night

74 avanti  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:44:13pm

re: #67 MandyManners

re: #55 Cato the Elder

re: #59 WindUpBird

As I speculated in the previous thread, I wonder what the party’s position is on Viagra.

Pro erection, anti condom.

75 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:44:29pm

Right about now the 23rd District probably wishes that Rep. McHugh wasn’t picked to be Secretary of the Army.

76 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:44:57pm

re: #72 Athens Runaway

Pat Toomey? I’m not sure I follow.

Pat Toomey == Club for Growth Decay

77 Ferris  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:45:11pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

I went to check on agent stacy mccain of the vlaams belang tonight to find him almost exclusively covering this NY 23 race for hoffman. Are any of these “true conservatives” in NY bothered by this association?

I doubt true conservatives are any more concerned about it than liberals were that Obama hosted a group called “Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama” on his official campaign website.

Now, I don’t think that makes Obama a Communist, so I’m not sure why the fact McCain supports Hoffman is supposed to tell us anything about Hoffman.

Guilt by association is a dangerous thing and often works both ways.

78 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:45:54pm

re: #71 MandyManners

I’m sure there’ll be some stiff competition in the puns.

Club for Growth?

79 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:46:10pm

re: #71 MandyManners

I’m sure there’ll be some stiff competition in the puns.

It’ll be interesting to see how Hoffman does in the upcoming erection.

80 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #77 Ferris

During a campaign it’s fair grist for the mill, and all of Obama’s associations were pointed out here, and sometimes here was the first place to point them out.

81 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:47:08pm

I see Gus found another link that is typical of fascism- anti-intoxicants:

CONSERVATIVES CAST CANNABIS AS DANGEROUS DRUG

The New York State Conservative Party is urging the Members of the Legislature to reject efforts to legalize the use of medical cannabis. The following legislative memo in opposition, stating the Party’s concerns follows:

The justification section of the senate support memo states that “medical evidence has shown that medical cannabis, commonly know as “medical marihuana” can prove effective in treating the side effects and pain of certain serious diseases and conditions.” However, no where in the memo does it site where the “medical evidence” is from. The Federal Drug Administration? The Institute of Medicine?

Both of these organizations are opposed to sanctioning medical marihuana. In fact those who promote it to assist desperately ill people reveal their true intent to legalize marihuana for recreational use by opposing the further development of safe and effective cannabis-based, laboratory engineered medicines that would reduce or eliminate the dangerous hallucinogenic side effects of crude marihuana.

82 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #78 jaunte

Club for Growth?

Now I’m wondering that they might not be flaccid in Lake Placid.

/My bad.

/

83 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:47:31pm

re: #33 kobra_55

Here’s to hoping that this latest round of stubborn and closed-minded rants by the religious right against gay marriage (among other things) is what finally marginalizes them within the Republican party.

*raises beer*

As much as I disagree with them, I fear that their methods will be fruitful. They are getting really average folks to openly declare intolerance they once hid. The leaders may not be grass roots but those who react with agreement I think are.

The books are open for political re-alignment in the US. I think the only thing marginalized is the political poles before summer of 2008. What’s going on now is attempts to carve new cleavages from any weak spot.

84 Athens Runaway  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:47:56pm

re: #76 Thanos

Pat Toomey == Club for Growth Decay

Oh, that.

I’ve actually had the opportunity to speak with him in depth, he seemed quite sane, and full of some great ideas. Fiscally conservative, but not irrationally so.

85 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:48:34pm
86 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:48:48pm

re: #79 bosforus

Or should I say ‘up and coming’?

gotta wash my mouth out with soap after that one

87 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:49:00pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

I see Gus found another link that is typical of fascism- anti-intoxicants:

CONSERVATIVES CAST CANNABIS AS DANGEROUS DRUG

Recently I came across another conservative opinion that at least supported medical marijuana.

88 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:49:46pm

re: #85 MandyManners

Doood.

Hallucinogenic marijuana. Damn, that must be some strong stuff.

89 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:50:16pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

I see Gus found another link that is typical of fascism- anti-intoxicants:

CONSERVATIVES CAST CANNABIS AS DANGEROUS DRUG

To be fair, Sharm, that link is inexact. I’m anti-intoxicant, but I’m not a fascist. Sometimes there are personal matters in play that sway people to oppose intoxicants.

90 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:50:18pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Right about now the 23rd District probably wishes that Rep. McHugh wasn’t picked to be Secretary of the Army.

Right about now that move by Obama looks almost Rovian.

91 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:50:22pm
92 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:50:27pm

re: #14 subliminator

26 posts or so in the past 5 years…sounds like you’ve been biding your time for something.

/I wonder what that could be…smells like dirty socks

93 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:50:58pm
94 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:51:22pm

re: #14 subliminator

OK. I watched the videos. They are tagged as “Extremism”. If this is extreme, then being an American is extreme. Go Hoffman.

You’re right. Surge is extreme. This is just nuckin’ futs!

95 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:51:37pm

re: #84 Athens Runaway

Oh, that.

I’ve actually had the opportunity to speak with him in depth, he seemed quite sane, and full of some great ideas. Fiscally conservative, but not irrationally so.

They are funding this fundy campaign in NY, and probably funding the dirty tricks on Scozzafava. 300K iirc.

96 Thirty Eight  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:51:58pm

Sharmuta:
It’s very common for fascists to be misogynists. It’s a woman’s place to help her nation by producing more citizens.
Encouraging women to have more children is extremely common even in liberal democracies. For example in Australia the government pays a “baby bonus” to mothers of around $3000. Obviously women should not be coerced, but birth rates have obvious social and economic consequences and it’s legitimate for the government to take an interest in a woman’s reproductive decisions and incentivise some behaviours over others. It’s not strictly a fascist thing.

97 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:52:07pm

re: #90 Mich-again

Right about now that move by Obama looks almost Rovian.

True. I was listening to McHugh speak in a video at Army dot mil. All of this increased my appreciation for him even though my knowledge of him is rather limited.

98 rollwave87  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:52:28pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

how many degrees of separation do you think there are between the CPNY and neo-nazis? is it possible to have negative degrees of separation? in other words, it seems to me they’re the same thing.

99 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:53:33pm

re: #98 rollwave87

I’m wagering that the leadership of NYCP are regular readers of Takimag.

100 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:54:19pm

Chris Matthews pwned Long.

101 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:55:40pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, Sharm, that link is inexact. I’m anti-intoxicant, but I’m not a fascist. Sometimes there are personal matters in play that sway people to oppose intoxicants.

DF- it’s a combination of their entire platform I find having fascist odors, not one position by itself. I knew that would bother you too, and that’s not my position at all to make you feel that way.

You can’t point out one aspect and yell “fascism!” and that’s not what I do. I’m quite willing to say it when the combined elements are there, and that’s what I saw standing out like a sore thumb from the videos and links. Combined with other positions to create a whole picture- I felt comfortable stating I think they reek of fascism.

To think pointing out one element means I think that of you or others who share that position for other reasons isn’t my intent ever. My apologies.

102 SteveC  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:56:38pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Recently I came across another conservative opinion that at least supported medical marijuana.

Pain can be a hell of a convincer. After my last pacemaker replacement the docs prescribed a painkiller and restarted my bloodthinning medication. I think the blood thinning started just a little too soon, I had a bruise from just below my ribs to my waist; and from my navel all the way around to the small of my back. The painkiller didn’t do a damn thing except make me sleepy.

I slept sitting up in an unpadded chair - I couldn’t lie down or sit back up without aching to high heaven and getting out of a recliner hurt too much. I did this for nine nights while waiting for a doctor’s appointment so he could examine me and prescribe a different painkiller.

I hurt so bad that I told him that if it was going to hurt like this, then when this pacemaker battery ran down, I’d just take my chances. And I was serious.

103 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:57:04pm

re: #96 Thirty Eight

Sharmuta:
It’s very common for fascists to be misogynists. It’s a woman’s place to help her nation by producing more citizens.
Encouraging women to have more children is extremely common even in liberal democracies. For example in Australia the government pays a “baby bonus” to mothers of around $3000. Obviously women should not be coerced, but birth rates have obvious social and economic consequences and it’s legitimate for the government to take an interest in a woman’s reproductive decisions and incentivise some behaviours over others. It’s not strictly a fascist thing.

We had a sort of discussion here the other day on the reverse of this - giving credits for NOT having children (some environmentalists believe this measure could help save the environment) - and I have to say - my position for that is the same as for the one you stated here ( … it’s legitimate for the government to take an interest in a woman’s reproductive decisions and incentivise some behaviors… ) -
I think it’s an awful idea. Either way.

104 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:57:08pm

re: #96 Thirty Eight

Sharmuta:
It’s very common for fascists to be misogynists. It’s a woman’s place to help her nation by producing more citizens.
Encouraging women to have more children is extremely common even in liberal democracies. For example in Australia the government pays a “baby bonus” to mothers of around $3000. Obviously women should not be coerced, but birth rates have obvious social and economic consequences and it’s legitimate for the government to take an interest in a woman’s reproductive decisions and incentivise some behaviours over others. It’s not strictly a fascist thing.

But that’s not restricting a woman’s choice, that’s offering an incentive she can freely choose or not choose. Denying women the opportunity to have birth control when they want it isn’t the same principle at all.

105 Athens Runaway  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:58:11pm

re: #95 Thanos

They are funding this fundy campaign in NY, and probably funding the dirty tricks on Scozzafava. 300K iirc.

Not saying that I agree with those tactics, but does that spill over to the PA Senate race?

106 rollwave87  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:58:15pm

tonight sucks. the Yankees are getting schooled by this Lee douche and brownshirts are taking over the NY GOP.

107 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:58:43pm

re: #49 Thanos

He’s dodging debates because he knows he’s unelectable in NY if people get any inkling of what he’s really about.

The more word gets out about this, the less likely it will be that he gets elected.

108 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 7:59:10pm

re: #101 Sharmuta

DF- it’s a combination of their entire platform I find having fascist odors, not one position by itself. I knew that would bother you too, and that’s not my position at all to make you feel that way.

You can’t point out one aspect and yell “fascism!” and that’s not what I do. I’m quite willing to say it when the combined elements are there, and that’s what I saw standing out like a sore thumb from the videos and links. Combined with other positions to create a whole picture- I felt comfortable stating I think they reek of fascism.

To think pointing out one element means I think that of you or others who share that position for other reasons isn’t my intent ever. My apologies.

Thank you for that, Sharm.

109 rollwave87  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:00:20pm

re: #107 Surabaya Stew

The more word gets out about this, the less likely it will be that he gets elected.

I agree. I don’t think the voters Upstate are stupid people. and the media up there (Watertown Daily Times?) seems to be doing a good job of pointing out what a joke Hoffman is. Rachel Maddow did a really good expose last night about this.

110 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:00:20pm

re: #105 Athens Runaway

It doesn’t; but be aware that the “Fiscon exterior” for this group is just their cloaking device. If someone were to get Pat Toomey on and ask him questions on abortion, ID, Evolution, etc I would bet he’d have a struggle in that interview as well. You can bet someone will try soon.

111 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:01:57pm

I find it telling he won’t participate in the debate. His campaign in the article I read said it was because they say Dede’s no longer a relevant candidate and that the real campaign is between him and the Democratic candidate but they can’t say that with a straight face. Yeah there are polls that have him leading the race but they come from the Club for Growth who is one of his biggest backers. Another poll I saw had the Democrat leading followed by Dede and then Hoffman. Plus, you would think that a debate would be a good way to get his message across.

112 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:03:47pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

That’s the point: like the guy in the interview he can’t tell the voters in NY his real message and expect to get elected.

113 abbyadams  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:04:01pm

re: #41 MandyManners

Hey, as long as Viagra’s covered.

(I want to put a sarcasm tag, but I’ve heard of too many insurance plans that covered Viagra and not bcps.)

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:05:04pm

re: #112 Thanos

That’s the point: like the guy in the interview he can’t tell the voters in NY his real message and expect to get elected.

Oh no doubt. I am just trying to try to impartially understand his campaign’s motivation which is honestly hard to do.

115 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:05:55pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

I hear you, that’s what happens when someone runs a stealth campaign.

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:06:04pm

re: #33 kobra_55

I hope so, but I think it’ll take more than that :P And I’m a double bock and tripel man myself!

117 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:06:33pm

re: #110 Thanos

It doesn’t; but be aware that the “Fiscon exterior” for this group is just their cloaking device. If someone were to get Pat Toomey on and ask him questions on abortion, ID, Evolution, etc I would bet he’d have a struggle in that interview as well. You can bet someone will try soon.

I wonder sometimes. For a Constitutional democracy how we ended up with so many politicians that feel compelled to control human behaviors, sciences, etc. Even recently, people claiming to be “Constitutionalists” seem to be intent on “controlling” human behavior. The very same people that spread the “you can’t legislate morality” talking point are the same ones that want to legislate morality in their own view.

118 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:06:34pm

Check out the kooks behind the second video.


And this is who the GOP wants to let into the party.

Warning : Incredibly idiotic website

119 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:07:17pm

re: #112 Thanos

He has to avoid clear language and instead rely on phrases like “saving the sanctity of marriage” to say ‘some people can’t have what I can have.’

120 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:07:21pm

If you watch that Matthews interview to the end you see that the real point is to lose the Republican seat so NYCP gets veto rights over all future candidates. They want to be the power broker for Republican seats in NY.

121 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:08:33pm

re: #118 erraticsphinx

Hrmm. Why are there exactly 88?

122 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #118 erraticsphinx

Check out the kooks behind the second video.

And this is who the GOP wants to let into the party.

Warning : Incredibly idiotic website

They really ought to read “Flags of Our Fathers.”

123 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:09:01pm

re: #112 Thanos

That’s the point: like the guy in the interview he can’t tell the voters in NY his real message and expect to get elected.

I don’t think they want a lot of media spotlight. They’d rather campaign on the down-low where their fans will spread the word among their friends and like-minded people but below the radar of the MSM.

124 Bagua  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:09:24pm

Chris Matthews is an offensive jerk, Mr. Long came across as the reasonable one.

125 SteveC  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:09:36pm

re: #113 abbyadams

Hey, as long as Viagra’s covered.

(I want to put a sarcasm tag, but I’ve heard of too many insurance plans that covered Viagra and not bcps.)

In certain cases, Viagra is a legitimate drug used to treat Pulmonary Hypertension. When it is prescribed as such they use the actual drug name, Sildenafil.

Sildenafil

126 kobra_55  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:09:45pm

My prediction is that Hoffman is going to lose support the more people get to know him and hear his talking points. This was also the case with Sarah Palin- she seemed great until she opened her mouth.

If I were Hoffman right now my strategy would be to keep my mouth shut as much as possible until election day and let the conservative pundits talk me up all day on their TV shows and blogs.

127 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:09:55pm

re: #118 erraticsphinx

Check out the kooks behind the second video.

And this is who the GOP wants to let into the party.

Warning : Incredibly idiotic website

ahhh… they were part of the Crazy Alan Keyes and Bloody Randall Terry hysterical theater when Obama spoke.

128 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:10:27pm

re: #118 erraticsphinx

Check out the kooks behind the second video.

And this is who the GOP wants to let into the party.

Warning : Incredibly idiotic website

And surprise, surprise: They’re creationists too.

129 Thirty Eight  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:10:37pm
We had a sort of discussion here the other day on the reverse of this - giving credits for NOT having children (some environmentalists believe this measure could help save the environment) - and I have to say - my position for that is the same as for the one you stated here ( … it’s legitimate for the government to take an interest in a woman’s reproductive decisions and incentivise some behaviors… ) -
I think it’s an awful idea. Either way.

IMHO environmentally-motivated discincentives are pointless, because any reduction in population will be compensated for by an influx of immigrants to make up the numbers. Economic realities more or less dictate that. Incidentally that’s why a lot of these nativists/rightists take such an interest in reproductive issues, they figure that if the birth rate goes down then more immigrants will be brought in to balance out a demographically top-heavy “aging” population.

130 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:10:51pm

re: #126 kobra_55

My prediction is that Hoffman is going to lose support the more people get to know him and hear his talking points. This was also the case with Sarah Palin- she seemed great until she opened her mouth.

If I were Hoffman right now my strategy would be to keep my mouth shut as much as possible until election day and let the conservative pundits talk me up all day on their TV shows and blogs.

But isn’t the election in a scant five days?

131 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:11:23pm

re: #122 Gus 802

They ought to learn how to read, judging by their “10 reasons to oppose homosexuality” on the issues page.


Disgusting. This is an absolutely theocratic, fanatic group that is now rallying for Republican issues.

132 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:11:43pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

And surprise, surprise: They’re creationists too.

The Sunset of Darwinism!

Cripes.

133 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #115 Thanos

I hear you, that’s what happens when someone runs a stealth campaign.

Is there such a thing as a campaign free of stealth?

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #127 Thanos

ahhh… they were part of the Crazy Alan Keyes and Bloody Randall Terry hysterical theater when Obama spoke.


But Alan Keyes is MAKING SENSE!! (also, Michael Moore got him to crowdsurf a mosh pit)

135 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:12:16pm

re: #124 Bagua

I’m sorry, but you are wrong. Anyone who refuses to answer a simple straight up question deserves the grilling.

136 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:12:51pm

re: #109 rollwave87

I agree. I don’t think the voters Upstate are stupid people. and the media up there (Watertown Daily Times?) seems to be doing a good job of pointing out what a joke Hoffman is. Rachel Maddow did a really good expose last night about this.

As a native New Yorker (of Manhattan) I second that. Upstaters may be more conservative in general than the rest of the Empire state, but none of them (at least those that I have met) was dealing with anything less than a full brain. As for Ms. Maddow, its good to hear someone in the MSM is keeping tabs on Hoffman, from what is being dug up (after much shoveling), he’s not a good choice for any district!

137 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:13:20pm

Okay, this made me LOL.

On the the sidebar of the home page it says “Did you know that 96 Catholic colleges have pro-homosexual clubs?”

Oh.
My.
God.


Teh childrens!

138 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:03pm

I predict the 23rd district will go to the Democrat. Unless Markos is endorsing him.

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:06pm

re: #124 Bagua

Chris Matthews is an offensive jerk, Mr. Long came across as the reasonable one.

The show’s called HARDBALL, for goodness sake! You expect Matthews to serve tea and crumpets to the guy wearing a pinafore? :D

140 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:11pm

re: #136 Surabaya Stew

As another native of NY, I second your second. (Thirded?)

141 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:14pm

It’s pretty obvious the direction they’re pushing the Republican party. In a word: fundie. When even the RNC Chairman ends his support [of Scozzafava] with a question mark, it certainly doesn’t appear there is any plan whatsoever for the GOP to cease its direction into the abyss of a backasswards, intolerant, misogynist theocracy.

142 kobra_55  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:32pm

re: #130 Thanos

It is, but there seems to be an especially high number of undecided voters, or people simply jumping on the Hoffman bandwagon because it’s trendy without knowing much about him.

A gaffe by Hoffman could really cost him big time.

143 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:49pm

re: #124 Bagua

Chris Matthews is an offensive jerk, Mr. Long came across as the reasonable one.

I am a leftie, but I also happen to find Matthews grating and generally unwatchable…but there is nothing reasonable about Mr. Long.

144 subliminator  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:14:59pm

re: #102 SteveC

Pain can be a hell of a convincer. After my last pacemaker replacement the docs prescribed a painkiller and restarted my bloodthinning medication. I think the blood thinning started just a little too soon…

OT - SInce 2006 I’ve nursed my Dad through one pacemaker, heperin/hemmorage, a MSRA, second pacemaker, coumadin, painkillers…it was tough. And I was just a spectator. Amen, God bless you, and glad you are hanging in there.

145 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

And surprise, surprise: They’re creationists too.



A growing number of scientists have been expressing serious doubt about the veracity of Darwinism, once a great weapon in the culture war against Christianity.


Science is not seen as politically neutral, but as a tool to impose a worldview.

146 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:15:53pm

re: #137 erraticsphinx

Okay, this made me LOL.

On the the sidebar of the home page it says “Did you know that 96 Catholic colleges have pro-homosexual clubs?”

Oh.
My.
God.

Teh childrens!

Yeah. Pro. That’s like saying “those pro-homosexual groups will turn heterosexuals into homosexuals.” And other some such paranoia and delusions.

147 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:16:50pm

re: #140 erraticsphinx

As another native of NY, I second your second. (Thirded?)


Thirded? I guess thats the word for it; too bad you can’t trademark like three-peat was!

148 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:16:52pm

re: #129 Thirty Eight

Hi, Newbie. Try the reply and quote function. They’re your friends.

You bring up a great point. While the dominionist aspect certainly means they want to control female sexuality, coupled with the nativist aspect, they certainly don’t want reduced birthrates to turn into increased immigration, even if certain segments of those immigrants would be fellow Christians with strong family values. It’s not enough to be culturally similar- they’re not white people, you know.

149 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:16:54pm

re: #145 jaunte

Science is not seen as politically neutral, but as a tool to impose a worldview.

I would love to see an engineering text book with Democrat formulas and Republican formulas side by side.

150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:17:09pm

re: #143 bratwurst

I am a leftie, but I also happen to find Matthews grating and generally unwatchable…but there is nothing reasonable about Mr. Long.

Hardball is like eating cheetoes. You know the stuff’s bad for you, but sometimes you just keep digging into that bag, and getting orange cheese dust all over the couch…

…actually, it’s not in any way like eating cheetoes.

151 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:17:33pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Hey, it can happen! I’m bisexual until graduation now, after attending the meetings of the satanic pro-gay club.

152 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:18:11pm

re: #142 kobra_55

He’s not going to put himself in a position where he can get caught saying what he means between now and election day.

153 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:18:18pm

re: #145 jaunte

Science is not seen as politically neutral, but as a tool to impose a worldview.

It’s a typical creationist talking point, one which Charles has been giving the backhand to for years. All in all, I’d have to say that that site spikes the meter:

Youtube Video

154 SteveC  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:18:30pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Yeah. Pro. That’s like saying “those pro-homosexual groups will turn heterosexuals into homosexuals.” And other some such paranoia and delusions.

AH HA! So that’s why they are so pro-Viagra!

//Let the boys sow their wild oats and they’ll keep playing for our team!

155 SteveC  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:19:18pm

re: #144 subliminator

OT - SInce 2006 I’ve nursed my Dad through one pacemaker, heperin/hemmorage, a MSRA, second pacemaker, coumadin, painkillers…it was tough. And I was just a spectator. Amen, God bless you, and glad you are hanging in there.

Thank you!

156 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:19:32pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

AAeeii! The B word!

157 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:19:52pm

re: #149 bosforus

I would love to see an engineering text book with Democrat formulas and Republican formulas side by side.

The math is the same, its the assumptions that differ.

158 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:20:03pm

re: #156 jaunte

AAeeii! The B word!

Here we go again…

159 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:20:22pm

re: #150 WindUpBird

Hardball is like eating cheetoes. You know the stuff’s bad for you, but sometimes you just keep digging into that bag, and getting orange cheese dust all over the couch…

…actually, it’s not in any way like eating cheetoes.

I hear ya. I do watch MSNBC sometimes, but find myself just as agitated as if I had been watching Fox News.

160 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:21:05pm

re: #157 Mich-again

The math is the same, its the assumptions that differ.

Any monetary multiplier for application purposes would undoubtedly be different as well, I’m sure.

161 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:23:12pm

re: #160 bosforus

Any monetary multiplier for application purposes would undoubtedly be different as well, I’m sure.

True. If a government department budget had been originally projected to increase 10% but in reality could only be increased 5%, the Dems would call that a 50% budget cut.

162 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:23:28pm

re: #151 erraticsphinx

Hey, it can happen! I’m bisexual until graduation now, after attending the meetings of the satanic pro-gay club.

Gadzooks! They’re an all male team.

Hmmm.

163 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:24:38pm

What’s always amused me about social cons is how they talk about how gays and secularists are ruining their freedom of religion but these are the same people who support things like banning or making hard to access pornography, banning gay marriage, and banning gambling. I am against abortion personally and politically but I really hate the rhetoric that the Christian right uses on that issue.

164 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:24:54pm

re: #131 erraticsphinx

They ought to learn how to read, judging by their “10 reasons to oppose homosexuality” on the issues page.

Disgusting. This is an absolutely theocratic, fanatic group that is now rallying for Republican issues.

Slight correction- “conservative” issues since they call themselves “conservatives”.

But these people are not the conservatives that Barry Goldwater described in his book The Conscience of a Conservative at all. In fact, he’s rolling in his grave that these people hijacked his movement and nade a mockery of what he stood for. They would call him a RINO today, but I bet not a single one of them have read the man’s book, so I have to wonder if these people have any idea what a “conservative” is. Do they even know what a republican is to call other people RINOs?

I’m actually all in favor of these people leaving the party for the theocratic nativist parties. They will be replaced by the RINOs and Reagan democrats who will come back to the GOP once we kick the kooks to the curb. Might take a few election cycles, but it’s long since time the cleaning was done.

165 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:25:31pm
166 Baier  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:27:06pm

re: #21 lawrior

Oh crap, Realclearpolitics just linked to RS McCain.

I saw that too. WTF?

167 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:27:30pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

I’m actually all in favor of these people leaving the party for the theocratic nativist parties. They will be replaced by the RINOs and Reagan democrats who will come back to the GOP once we kick the kooks to the curb. Might take a few election cycles, but it’s long since time the cleaning was done.

Unfortunately I think you are correct.

168 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:27:59pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Recently I came across another conservative opinion that at least supported medical marijuana.

I’m willing to bet 25% of the people supporting Ron Paul do so only because he favors drug legalization. It’s not a stupid position for Republicans to take in order to try and win some of the independent vote, plus it’s consistent with the idea of a non-obtrusive government.

169 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:28:11pm

Why Dede thinks she’s a conservative:

Dede Scozzafava is a lifelong resident of the North Country, a businesswoman, former Mayor of the Village of Gouverneur, and has served in the New York Assembly since 1998. She calls herself a “fiscal conservative” who’s been endorsed by the New York State United Teachers, the National Rifle Association and Newt Gingrich.

Like other Republicans, Scozzafava says she supports lower taxes, less government spending and health care reform. She also supports same-sex marriage and abortion rights.

While in the Assembly, Scozzafava twice voted in favor of bills that would allow same-sex marriage in New York. She sees it as upholding the Constitution and not inconsistent with conservative values. “I believe individuals have choices to make not government. That’s a conservative position to have” “If you go back to the core principals of the Republican Party, they were founded on individual freedoms, less government in our lives. I believe I’m a true Republican.”

Some political ads have portrayed Scozzafava as a liberal, who voted many times to increase taxes and spending. She calls that a distortion. Scozzafava says she voted against Governor Paterson’s tax and fee hikes. She added the so-called tax increases she did approve, were for such things as sales tax extensions requested by local governments.

Obviously, none of that matters, since she’s pro-choice and pro-gay.

170 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:29:11pm

re: #166 Baier

Speaking to La Raza!?

171 Jack Burton  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:29:13pm

OT: Charles, I’m having that problem where someone else’s URL is showing in the Web site field in the comment form again.

I’m getting The Sanity Inspector’s web site URL now put in there now. Leading up to it the only thing I can think of that I did that might cause this was that I clicked on the reference to his comment in your #173 two threads down (The Obama UN one) to see what you were talking about and just saw a deleted post. I think I clicked on the football from there too. Perhaps that can help track down a bug of some kind. I’m on Safari 4.0.3 on Win 7.

172 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:29:19pm

Here’s a pic of TFP with scumbag ex-Kansas AG Phil Kline

facebook.com

173 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:29:25pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Would you be surprised if I told you they also run an all boys academy?

Well, they do. Have a martyr cookie!

I’m starting to feel bad for these kids. They mix this hate and victimhood into their curriculum, it’s pretty effed up.

174 Bagua  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:30:18pm

re: #143 bratwurst

I am a leftie, but I also happen to find Matthews grating and generally unwatchable…but there is nothing reasonable about Mr. Long.

Agreed on Matthews, as far as Mr. Long, he didn’t get much of a chance to speak so it is difficult to judge him.

Matthews is a annoying creep, I’d feel that way regardless of who he was interviewing ambushing. He is also a partisan propagandist, on par with Beck, Olberman and the other nitwits that have infested the media.

175 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:30:24pm

re: #169 theheat

Why Dede thinks she’s a conservative:

Obviously, none of that matters, since she’s pro-choice and pro-gay.

*gasp* She sounds like that RINO Goldwater!

176 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:30:28pm

re: #171 ArchangelMichael

I had that happen on my FF just yesterday…

177 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:31:12pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Shhh. Don’t let that get in the way of a good railroading.

178 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:31:17pm
179 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:31:19pm

re: #173 erraticsphinx

Would you be surprised if I told you they also run an all boys academy?

Well, they do. Have a martyr cookie!

Building the next generation of Pat Buchanans.

180 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:31:19pm

re: #169 theheat

“If you go back to the core principals of the Republican Party, they were founded on individual freedoms, less government in our lives. I believe I’m a true Republican.”

Good quote.

181 Jack Burton  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:32:16pm

re: #171 ArchangelMichael

Also Iceweasel’s URL shows up as Thanos’ blog URL. I don’t know if she intended that or if it’s the same thing going on with her… FYI to Charles and iDub.

182 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:32:21pm

re: #178 MandyManners

But of course. The bad news here is that it’s a student group that hangs with the crazies who encouraged Scott Roeder.

183 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:33:20pm

re: #181 ArchangelMichael

hey, I resent that, maybe she just loves my conservative blog…

/wait a minute…

184 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:34:07pm
185 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:35:04pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

What’s always amused me about social cons is how they talk about how gays and secularists are ruining their freedom of religion but these are the same people who support things like banning or making hard to access pornography, banning gay marriage, and banning gambling. I am against abortion personally and politically but I really hate the rhetoric that the Christian right uses on that issue.

The entire “Christian right” position, I found, hinges on the question: Is life special or not? They believe yes. And every time something like this is discovered, it’s a little less special. I think life is special, but after that breakthrough, I can imagine it as a commodity in the not too distant future. The “Christian right,” whatever that means, is scared, and in an un-terse way, probably reasonably so.

186 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:35:05pm

re: #181 ArchangelMichael

This is correctable by logging out or by having no link in the nic. This also happens with spinoff links.

187 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:35:18pm

re: #184 MandyManners

WTF?

Randall Terry is Op Rescue, Phil Kline was on several O’Reilly “Tiller the Baby Killer” segments.

188 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:36:22pm
189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:36:46pm

I’m sure the Yankees are better than this.

I don’t necessarily hope the Yankees are better than this.

But, I’m sure the Yankees are better than this.

190 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:37:21pm

re: #188 MandyManners

I don’t keep up with those nuts except what I see here.

It’s widely believed the Phil was the source of the leaked abortion records that O’Reilly used on his show. Never proven however.

191 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:38:45pm

re: #185 NotForYou

The entire “Christian right” position, I found, hinges on the question: Is life special or not? They believe yes.

I say beware of Christians who cite religious reasons for opposing abortion but OTOH support the death penalty. A logical disconnect there.

192 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:40:05pm
193 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:40:33pm

Part of what makes this depressing for me is that Scozzafava sounds like the kind of candidate I’d really get behind and volunteer for if she were to run in my district. She’s further left than some of the Blue Dog Democrats such as Lincoln Davis who voted against stem cell research.

194 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:40:40pm

re: #192 MandyManners

I don’t watch him, either.

Me neither, but I saw the vids Charles posted.

195 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:40:41pm

Okay, I might go insane if I keep doing this, but I’ve just spent a few minutes at their theocratic freak-site.

My diagnosis :

Projection. A very, very acute case.

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:40:55pm

re: #174 Bagua

Agreed on Matthews, as far as Mr. Long, he didn’t get much of a chance to speak so it is difficult to judge him.

Matthews is a annoying creep, I’d feel that way regardless of who he was interviewing ambushing. He is also a partisan propagandist, on par with Beck, Olberman and the other nitwits that have infested the media.

He mostly blows which way the wind blows. Wind is blowing with Democrats these days, so that’s where he heads. In years past he’s done megachurch tours that were quite kind to the religious right. And he’s said a lot of pro-Bush stuff in the past, before Bush’s approval ratings slid down into steerage. Google “sunny nobility”. Would a left-wing partisan propagandist say something like that?

It’s not really good television, at any rate. It’s a lot of soundbites and yelling and it’s only interesting as sport. But he’s not a liberal table pounding partisan like Olbermann, and he’s not tossing movie prop gasoline on interns and going Birch-apalooza like Beck.

197 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:41:05pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

I sometimes ask myself, “since when are we electing members of the clergy.” And since when are people like Michael Long, or Doug Hoffman the standard bearers of moral purity or even role models to that effect. We know nothing of them other then there (pseudo) theologically tinged rhetoric.

To that end if one seeks moral guidance they go to a rabbi, priest, philosopher, or imam. Not to a politician, let alone Michael Long or Doug Hoffman.

198 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:41:12pm

re: #191 Mich-again

I say beware of Christians who cite religious reasons for opposing abortion but OTOH support the death penalty. A logical disconnect there.

Not entirely. You can make a case that the death penalty is different than abortion, because capital punishment ends kives that are far from innocent. In fact, its a case I believe.

199 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:42:03pm

re: #197 Gus 802

It’s about power, not morals. Simple as that.

200 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:43:38pm

re: #191 Mich-again

I say beware of Christians who cite religious reasons for opposing abortion but OTOH support the death penalty. A logical disconnect there.

This is another thing I am curious about. I’ve known many Catholics over the years who oppose both abortion and the death penalty but it seems to me in my observations that conservative Christians tend to be supporters of the DP and opponents of abortion. Just seems contradictory to me. Plus, I’ve never understood why they feel the need to ban things like gay marriage and gambling. No one is for as far as I know forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Plus what do they say to the churches who want to perform gay marriages.

201 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:43:51pm

re: #199 erraticsphinx

It’s about power, not morals. Simple as that.

I know. But the populace in certain demographics see them as moral leaders. That’s part of their “sales pitch” which is to present themselves as “men of the cloth” even though they are not.

202 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:44:57pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Not entirely. You can make a case that the death penalty is different than abortion, because capital punishment ends lives that are far from innocent. In fact, its a case I believe.

PIMF

203 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:45:02pm

re: #201 Gus 802

That’s part of their “sales pitch” which is to present themselves as “men of the cloth” even though they are not.

A lot of them get way more extramarital and same-sex tail as men of the cloth.

204 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:46:05pm

It is a different issue but isn’t the phrasing that abortion opponents often argue is that “every life is precious.” Plus with the DP there is always the chance of executing an innocent which personally is my reason for opposing it for the record.

205 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:46:18pm

The next row is going to be in Texas, same players, different candidates. Dick Cheney is going to endorse Kay Bailey Hutchison and not Perry so it will be interesting to see how that plays.

206 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:46:39pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Yep, people who take advantage of faith have always existed. Now we have teh internets an teh google and we can see them in their full hypocrisy.

207 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:46:58pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

Slight correction- “conservative” issues since they call themselves “conservatives”.

But these people are not the conservatives that Barry Goldwater described in his book The Conscience of a Conservative at all. In fact, he’s rolling in his grave that these people hijacked his movement and nade a mockery of what he stood for. They would call him a RINO today, but I bet not a single one of them have read the man’s book, so I have to wonder if these people have any idea what a “conservative” is. Do they even know what a republican is to call other people RINOs?

I’m actually all in favor of these people leaving the party for the theocratic nativist parties. They will be replaced by the RINOs and Reagan democrats who will come back to the GOP once we kick the kooks to the curb. Might take a few election cycles, but it’s long since time the cleaning was done.

A fine point. These are wedge issue “conservatives”. As a Texas Dem, this what I see in general in this State. Would that there were an alternative. I have voted for local Rs who are folks I know and trust. At the State level, they tend to be loons.

208 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:47:35pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Yes, the context they intent is to counter the “just tissue” argument.

209 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:47:56pm

PIMP
Intend

210 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:48:05pm

My prediction is that you have the same people endorsing Perry as you see here endorsing Hoffman.

211 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:49:04pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Not entirely. You can make a case that the death penalty is different than abortion, because capital punishment ends kives that are far from innocent. In fact, its a case I believe.

Only if you assume that that the judicial system is infallible. That’s a stretch. Killing an innocent man is horrific. And it happens.

212 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:49:48pm

re: #197 Gus 802

I sometimes ask myself, “since when are we electing members of the clergy.” And since when are people like Michael Long, or Doug Hoffman the standard bearers of moral purity or even role models to that effect. We know nothing of them other then there (pseudo) theologically tinged rhetoric.

To that end if one seeks moral guidance they go to a rabbi, priest, philosopher, or imam. Not to a politician, let alone Michael Long or Doug Hoffman.

Usually “morals” and “politician” aren’t two words people associate with each other. Pretty much the opposite, and it’s pretty much universal. Politics and corruption go together like stink on poo. I’m not sure why we elect lawyers, and I’m not sure why we elect those who claim to be morally sound.

213 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:49:57pm
214 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:50:02pm

re: #210 Thanos

My prediction is that you have the same people endorsing Perry as you see here endorsing Hoffman.

Wouldn’t doubt it. I was honestly surprised to see Cheney endorse Hutchison. Then again he’s probably more familiar with her than he is Perry.

215 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:50:23pm

re: #210 Thanos

He’s already mentioned secession so I’m sure this is the noise we will be hearing from the theocratic/teabagging base:

fap fap fap fap fap fap

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:50:47pm

re: #211 austin_blue

Only if you assume that that the judicial system is infallible. That’s a stretch. Killing an innocent man is horrific. And it happens.

Gotta love people who totally distrust the government! Government sucks! Government is incompetent! Inefficient! Constantly screwing up!

EXCEPT when it comes to executing people. Then it’s fine.

217 XopXproxyX  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:51:02pm

Yikes Chris Matthews was on fire. That it was pretty hilarious!
I think I’ve seen too many Beck clips recently; a pundit can be animated and enthusiastic without coming across as plain crazy.

218 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:51:16pm

re: #191 Mich-again

I say beware of Christians who cite religious reasons for opposing abortion but OTOH support the death penalty. A logical disconnect there.

re: #191 Mich-again

I agree. I could do without the death penalty. But the abortion argument (unlike the death penalty) is connected up to the war on science.

219 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:51:35pm

re: #205 Thanos

The next row is going to be in Texas, same players, different candidates. Dick Cheney is going to endorse Kay Bailey Hutchison and not Perry so it will be interesting to see how that plays.

Next!

From Wiki:

Hutchison supports the legality of abortion but has frequently voted for restricting abortion. Hutchison has often been rated highly by pro-life organizations receiving a 94% rating from the National Right to Life Committee. She is opposed to taxpayer-funded abortion and supports restrictions such as parental notification and making it illegal to transport a minor across state lines in order to circumvent parental notification laws. She also believes that the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade was appropriate and should not be overturned, but is opposed to the Freedom of Choice Act because it would restrict the right of states to impose restrictions on abortion. In the past years NARAL has given her ratings of 0%, 7%, 20%, and 0%, indicating that her voting record mostly favored enacting proposed abortion restrictions…

Kay Bailey Hutchison is a far left extremist!

/Malkin mode off.

/

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:52:46pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I don’t remember Cheney ever really going whole hog with the dominionist crowd. The Bush administration made use of them to win elections, but they didn’t really give them all they wanted. And his daughter is gay, so that probably sours the full on snake-handler Randall Terry loons on him.

221 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:53:01pm
222 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:53:44pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Not entirely. You can make a case that the death penalty is different than abortion, because capital punishment ends kives that are far from innocent. In fact, its a case I believe.

I agree that a case can be made that the death penalty is different than abortion.

However, I’m anti-abortion - and also anti-death penalty. It’s not actually something I had thought about very much, until one day my daughter asked me if I was on a jury in a death-penalty case, would I be able to vote for the death penalty? And I realized that I would not be able to be even that much a part of the taking of another life. Punishment yes, imprisonment yes - but I would not be able to vote to impose the death penalty.

223 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:54:07pm

re: #210 Thanos

My prediction is that you have the same people endorsing Perry as you see here endorsing Hoffman.

Exactly my point. He is going for the fringe, big time. Kay Bailey is now being publicly referred to as “Kay Bailout”. Ha ha! That’s so funny, considering that Texas took enough Stimulus Bucks to balance it’s budget.

Since then, the Gov and the Light Gov have been saying that they didn’t use that money to do so. Liars.

224 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:54:10pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t doubt it. I was honestly surprised to see Cheney endorse Hutchison. Then again he’s probably more familiar with her than he is Perry.

Cheney’s always been a moderate Republican, which made the left trying to demonize him hilarious.

225 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:54:10pm

re: #220 WindUpBird

His daughter is gay and a parent. Two strikes.

226 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:54:52pm

re: #223 austin_blue

Exactly my point. He is going for the fringe, big time. Kay Bailey is now being publicly referred to as “Kay Bailout”. Ha ha! That’s so funny, considering that Texas took enough Stimulus Bucks to balance it’s budget.

Since then, the Gov and the Light Gov have been saying that they didn’t use that money to do so. Liars.

Yeah, Fiscon is just the Grover Norquist cloaking device.

227 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:55:19pm

re: #220 WindUpBird

I don’t remember Cheney ever really going whole hog with the dominionist crowd. The Bush administration made use of them to win elections, but they didn’t really give them all they wanted. And his daughter is gay, so that probably sours the full on snake-handler Randall Terry loons on him.

He’s also pro-gay marriage. Yet one more strike.

228 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:56:07pm

re: #225 theheat

His daughter is gay and a parent. Two strikes.

Nothing would surprise me at this point considering what they’re saying about Newt Gingrich.

229 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:57:08pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

Let’s say a woman is on death row, then she becomes pregnant a few months before her execution. If she had decided on aborting the baby anyway, would it be ok to just continue with the death sentence?
/let’s have this discussion.

230 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:57:33pm

re: #224 Thanos

Cheney’s always been a moderate Republican, which made the left trying to demonize him hilarious.

Thought I had heard he had a solidly conservative record in Congress. Not trying to diss him there or imply that I thought he was a far right winger but I had always assumed Cheney exempting gay marriage was a solid conservative.

231 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:57:50pm

Unfortunately I think Charles predicted exactly right, the Republicans are in for a long trek through the desert. This is from New Majority, commenting on a Kristol article:

Interesting column today by Bill Kristol in the Washington Post.

[F]ully 72 percent of Republicans say they’re conservative. …

The implications of this for the Republican Party over the remaining three years of the Obama presidency are clear: The GOP is going to be pretty unapologetically conservative. There aren’t going to be a lot of moderate Republican victories in intra -party skirmishes. And — with the caveat that the political world can, of course, change quickly — there will be a conservative Republican presidential nominee in 2012.

That seems right. But one addition to the math: Since only about 20% of Americans currently identify as Republicans, Bill’s numbers imply that conservative Republicans currently constitute about 14.4% of the population.

So while Bill’s predictions of continuing conservative/populist dominance within the GOP look accurate, the future looks much bleaker for the GOP itself. As Bill himself acknowledges:

In last week’s Post-ABC News poll, a plurality of respondents disapproved of Obama-type health-care reform. In other words, they agree with the Republicans in Congress. But when asked how much confidence they had in congressional Republicans to make the right decisions for the country’s future, only 19 percent of respondents expressed much confidence in the GOP — well behind the confidence levels in congressional Democrats (34 percent) and Obama (49 percent).

232 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:57:58pm

re: #228 Gus 802

The fun thing about purges is that they’ll eventually turn on each other a la Robespierre.

Can’t come soon enough. You reap what you sow. And there has been plenty of sowing of this the last few years.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:57:58pm

re: #224 Thanos

Cheney’s always been a moderate Republican, which made the left trying to demonize him hilarious.

Some of us weren’t too pleased about his stance on torture and his uncomfortable connections to contractors, but that’s for another day. I wouldn’t characterize Cheney as moderate or far right. He’s sort of his own genre of Republican, if you will.

234 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:58:02pm

re: #228 Gus 802

Newt’s a total piece of poop as a person, but he happens to be backing the right horse with Scozzafava, IMO. She might not win, but she’s the right choice for the GOP.

235 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:58:03pm

re: #227 reine.de.tout

He’s also pro-gay marriage. Yet one more strike.

Guess they’ll have to pull out the morally pure. Like David Kokesh and Chris Simcox.

//

236 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:58:51pm

re: #221 MandyManners

How so?

We have a good definition of human death in relation to organ donors. No functioning forebrain, no human. They are legally no longer human. If the same criteria were placed on fetuses, well, you can see where that would lead. Anything earlier than 20 - 24 weeks (the science is still out) would also classify as not human.

237 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:59:01pm

re: #228 Gus 802

Nothing would surprise me at this point considering what they’re saying about Newt Gingrich.

No kidding! Whatever happened to love for the “Contract with America”? When those of us left of center start seeing Newt as the voice of reason, things have gone SERIOUSLY haywire.

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:59:20pm

re: #227 reine.de.tout

He’s also pro-gay marriage. Yet one more strike.

There goes the coveted Chick Tract reader demographic!

239 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:59:47pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

I agree that a case can be made that the death penalty is different than abortion.

However, I’m anti-abortion - and also anti-death penalty. It’s not actually something I had thought about very much, until one day my daughter asked me if I was on a jury in a death-penalty case, would I be able to vote for the death penalty? And I realized that I would not be able to be even that much a part of the taking of another life. Punishment yes, imprisonment yes - but I would not be able to vote to impose the death penalty.

I’m pro-death penalty myself. I see it as throwing out the trash. People like serial killers should not be allowed to go on living and I’d vote to impose the death penalty on someone who had committed a heinous murder without any hesitation.

240 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:00:49pm

re: #238 WindUpBird

There goes the coveted Chick Tract reader demographic!

LOL

The giant faceless supreme being is not amused. HAW HAW!

241 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:01:11pm

The Death Penalty? In some states they can’t even keep violent offenders in jail for life, much less get the death penalty. I would settle for that- life with no parole, especially for some of these sex offenders.

That’s one reason why I favor decriminalizing marijuana- so that we can free up space in our prisons for the people who are the most dangerous to society.

But then you have the theo-cons who want to make practically everything a crime. If you don’t believe me, look up Rushdoony. We were discussing the UN blasphemy resolution- these people would make the OIC look tame. Blasphemy would be a capital crime under dominionist law. And you wonder why they favor the death penalty?

242 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:01:49pm

re: #191 Mich-again

I say beware of Christians who cite religious reasons for opposing abortion but OTOH support the death penalty. A logical disconnect there.

FWIW I used to be a pretty big anti death penalty activist. The movement is overwhelmingly Christian based. There are a lot of people who are consistent on this issue and stil otherwise conservative. At vigils on execution nights I’d often be one of the few non-Christians there. I’m just opposed to it because I don’t believe the state should have the right to put people to death in the name of justice. I don’t want my tax money sponsoring it. If you want to talk about government reaching too far, it doesn’t get much farther than that. I’m a bit sympathetic to lynch mobs and vigilantes though.

243 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:01:54pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

A professor of mine, a Scott, called the death penalty “Basic social hygiene.”

I suppose the human race has benefited from it, genetically, over the millenia.

Good night all.

244 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:01:56pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Thought I had heard he had a solidly conservative record in Congress. Not trying to diss him there or imply that I thought he was a far right winger but I had always assumed Cheney exempting gay marriage was a solid conservative.

He is a conservative. It’s the far-right wingers who are not.

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:02:10pm

re: #237 bratwurst

No kidding! Whatever happened to love for the “Contract with America”? When those of us left of center start seeing Newt as the voice of reason, things have gone SERIOUSLY haywire.

I KNOW RITE?!?!?!

Seriously, Newt by comparison is like a hippie playing hacky-sack next to the co-op compared to the people vying for supremacy in the GOP now. They’re trying to cast Kay Bailey Hutchison as a RINO. I occasionally have to look outside and make sure the moon isn’t square and the streets aren’t filled with Bizarro Supermans.

246 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:02:19pm

re: #237 bratwurst

No kidding! Whatever happened to love for the “Contract with America”? When those of us left of center start seeing Newt as the voice of reason, things have gone SERIOUSLY haywire.

Or the “Reagan Democrats.” Won’t get those with this crowd. Not even close. I think we’re seeing a lot of reactionary responses. Similarly, I find it odd that I also see Newt as a voice of reason. He is getting older and if we look back at Goldwater he too became more reasonable with age.

247 erraticsphinx  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:03:27pm

Good night, everybody.

248 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:04:06pm

re: #229 bosforus

Let’s say a woman is on death row, then she becomes pregnant a few months before her execution. If she had decided on aborting the baby anyway, would it be ok to just continue with the death sentence?
/let’s have this discussion.

heh.
No.
discussion over.

249 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:05:04pm

re: #242 Conservative Moonbat

I don’t quite get the cognitive dissonance there, since extrajudicial mob violence gets the wrong guy a lot more often than judicial executions do.

250 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:06:24pm

re: #246 Gus 802

Or the “Reagan Democrats.” Won’t get those with this crowd. Not even close. I think we’re seeing a lot of reactionary responses. Similarly, I find it odd that I also see Newt as a voice of reason. He is getting older and if we look back at Goldwater he too became more reasonable with age.

Oh, you will continue to get the southern ex-Dems in that bunch. That was the whole point of Nixon’s Southern Strategy. It worked damn well. Sadly, in many areas, that’s all the Rs have left. That’s what the Governor’s fight in Texas is this year. Rick is trying to out goober Kay.

251 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #221 MandyManners

How so?

The death penalty will never cause a book burning. Executions have happened throughout history. The commoditization of the reproductive process…that change in the moral calculus, scares otherwise reasonable people into a religous argument.

The war on science is an attempt to shut-in by the religious groups. They would rather stick with the morals (devil) you know than what might emerge. Same argument for evolution. The more the makings of life (bacteria, babies, or otherwise) are technologically feasible, the less value it has. It’s economic theory shrouded in religion. It’s the only way they can get their message across.

252 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:08:55pm

re: #248 reine.de.tout

heh.
No.
discussion over.

I may have to change my political platform then… and some of my campaign posters as well.

253 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:08:55pm

re: #249 Thanos

I don’t quite get the cognitive dissonance there, since extrajudicial mob violence gets the wrong guy a lot more often than judicial executions do.

The point is that it’s not the state doing the killing.

254 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:09:30pm

re: #231 Thanos

Unfortunately I think Charles predicted exactly right, the Republicans are in for a long trek through the desert. This is from New Majority, commenting on a Kristol article:

I’m starting to think it might be a very long trek. There’s always been a regressive instinct with conservatives but it seems that they’re retreating from American public opinion at an increasing rate. On issues like evolution, science, gay marriage, global warming, race issues, immigration, etc they are simply going to find themselves on the wrong side of history. Even with the fiscal conservatives it seems that they are going to end up wrong on economic stimulus and TARP. I wonder how long this is going to go on. I seriously doubt any of the conservative players today are going to survive politically to see the future of conservatism. Whatever the future is, this ain’t it.

255 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:10:46pm

re: #250 austin_blue

Oh, you will continue to get the southern ex-Dems in that bunch. That was the whole point of Nixon’s Southern Strategy. It worked damn well. Sadly, in many areas, that’s all the Rs have left. That’s what the Governor’s fight in Texas is this year. Rick is trying to out goober Kay.

Hutchison would be an improvement over Perry. Not that I’m endorsing her but thinking generally. Perry’s gone full tilt with the Tea Party mode and his frequent talk about succession.

256 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:11:22pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Secession. Darn spell check. ;)

257 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:11:28pm

re: #229 bosforus

Let’s say a woman is on death row, then she becomes pregnant a few months before her execution. If she had decided on aborting the baby anyway, would it be ok to just continue with the death sentence?
/let’s have this discussion.

Given that parthenogenesis is not available, what would one do with the father?

258 theheat  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:11:42pm

OT - Skull of huge sea monster that could have eaten T. rex found in Dorset

The skull belongs to a pliosaur, one of a group of giant aquatic reptiles which roamed the warm seas over what is now southern Britain 150 million years ago. ..

…With an estimated weight of between seven and 12 tonnes, the Dorset pliosaur could rival the largest known specimens in the world.

Here fishy, fishy, fishy…

259 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:12:20pm

re: #258 theheat

OT - Skull of huge sea monster that could have eaten T. rex found in Dorset

Here fishy, fishy, fishy…

Wow that’s a big fish.

260 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:13:19pm

re: #257 austin_blue

Given that parthenogenesis is not available, what would one do with the father?

Details, schmetails!

261 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:14:08pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to think it might be a very long trek. There’s always been a regressive instinct with conservatives but it seems that they’re retreating from American public opinion at an increasing rate. On issues like evolution, science, gay marriage, global warming, race issues, immigration, etc they are simply going to find themselves on the wrong side of history. Even with the fiscal conservatives it seems that they are going to end up wrong on economic stimulus and TARP. I wonder how long this is going to go on. I seriously doubt any of the conservative players today are going to survive politically to see the future of conservatism. Whatever the future is, this ain’t it.

Well said. They will do well in some local, maybe even State elections, but they are rapidly losing the national electorate.

262 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:15:04pm

re: #236 austin_blue

We have a good definition of human death in relation to organ donors. No functioning forebrain, no human. They are legally no longer human. If the same criteria were placed on fetuses, well, you can see where that would lead. Anything earlier than 20 - 24 weeks (the science is still out) would also classify as not human.

I am for biodiversity. Does gigabytes of unborn DNA have rights? Considering that DNA emerged as a process of the universe is good enough for me.

263 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Hutchison would be an improvement over Perry. Not that I’m endorsing her but thinking generally. Perry’s gone full tilt with the Tea Party mode and his frequent talk about succession.

No guarantee that Perry won’t win.

264 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:16:06pm

Sorry, driving by and not caught up on stuff— did people see this? Hoffman’s cronies setting up a fake blog? WTF?

Why are half the articles on Draft Dede about how clever it would be to trick people into voting for her and the other half about what a disaster she is?

Why would a Democrat write something like:

It took years for one of ours to finally infiltrate the National Republican Party apparatus and wreak civil war within the GOP. Call it the Socialist Watergate of 2009, but with Scozzafava as the Republican nominee in NY-23 we will finally have the keys to the National Republican Party — and with it — almost certain access to all its ugly organs of operation…
When Dede wins, she will carry our water and also give us greater insight into the broader internal workings of the right-wing nuts running the corrupt partisans, otherwise known as the Republican House Caucus (talk about a self-inflicted wound)…
Dede Scozzafava, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. This could be one of the greatest “Alinksy” coups of all time.

… and I’m telling you all this, Mr. Bond, because you won’t be alive to see it.

Why would anyone write anything like that?

Except to rat fuck someone.

In The Man Who Was Thursday, a secret organization of anarchists disguises itself as a secret organization of anarchists, but I’m pretty sure Chesterton was kidding. I think Draft Dede only exists in some creepy liar’s head and the Hoffman campaign either knows, or should know.

Article here


Draft Dede blog here

265 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:16:38pm

re: #263 austin_blue

No guarantee that Perry won’t win.

Yep. It all boils down to election day. Regardless of polls.

266 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:16:49pm

re: #250 austin_blue

Oh, you will continue to get the southern ex-Dems in that bunch. That was the whole point of Nixon’s Southern Strategy. It worked damn well. Sadly, in many areas, that’s all the Rs have left. That’s what the Governor’s fight in Texas is this year. Rick is trying to out goober Kay.

Speaking of outgoobering, have you seen the secessionist candidate, Larry Kilgore? This is the first time I’ve read a strategy for piecemeal, county-by-county Dominionism.

Does Mr. Kilgore want Texas to have freedom of religion? Yes. Each county undoubtedly reflects a unique set of beliefs and values and each county needs the freedom to create legislation that reflects that diversity. While Mr. Kilgore values Biblical Law, he realizes that Biblical Law must be embraced by individuals in a society. To move from the evils of statism to the evils of ecclesiocracy is no improvement at all. Biblical Law puts both church and state under God’s authority to maximize liberty for all. Therefore, those counties whose citizens value Biblical Law must be free to govern themselves according to it; those whose citizens reject Biblical Law must be free to create their own forms of legislation.facebook.com
267 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:17:19pm

re: #261 austin_blue

Well said. They will do well in some local, maybe even State elections, but they are rapidly losing the national electorate.

On the other hand they are close to taking both the house and senate in Tennessee for the first time since Reconstruction. They are very much becoming a regional party.

268 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:17:49pm

re: #256 Gus 802

Secession. Darn spell check. ;)

Some words just insist on being difficult.

269 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:17:54pm

Time for me to get some sleep, see you all on the morrow.

Youtube Video

270 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:18:24pm

re: #262 NotForYou

I am for biodiversity. Does gigabytes of unborn DNA have rights? Considering that DNA emerged as a process of the universe is good enough for me.

Um…sorry…but what the hell does that mean? Since when does cell tissue have any equivalence to machine storage?

Really, first night and all, but that gets a down ding.

271 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:18:36pm

re: #264 iceweasel

Sorry, driving by and not caught up on stuff— did people see this? Hoffman’s cronies setting up a fake blog? WTF?

Article here


Draft Dede blog here

Stick around, ice. We need you here if you’ve got the time.

272 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:19:34pm

re: #264 iceweasel

Sorry, driving by and not caught up on stuff— did people see this? Hoffman’s cronies setting up a fake blog? WTF?

Article here


Draft Dede blog here

And not even a good ratfucking. I heard about the blog but hadn’t read the actual content. That’s just laughable. Do they really think Democrats think and talk like that? Are we characters out of a bad movie?

273 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:21:23pm

re: #267 Conservative Moonbat

On the other hand they are close to taking both the house and senate in Tennessee for the first time since Reconstruction. They are very much becoming a regional party.

And that will serve Tennessee *so* well! Stupid is as stupid does and you get what you deserve.

274 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:21:32pm

re: #262 NotForYou

I am for biodiversity. Does gigabytes of unborn DNA have rights? Considering that DNA emerged as a process of the universe is good enough for me.

Slugs have DNA too you know.

275 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:22:17pm

re: #272 Conservative Moonbat

And not even a good ratfucking. I heard about the blog but hadn’t read the actual content. That’s just laughable. Do they really think Democrats think and talk like that? Are we characters out of a bad movie?

Maybe their ghost writer was that eminent satirist from jumping in pools sewage

276 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:22:25pm

re: #270 austin_blue

re: #274 Conservative Moonbat

Slugs have DNA too you know.

And PETA would be mad if you killed one.

277 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:22:58pm

re: #273 austin_blue

And that will serve Tennessee *so* well! Stupid is as stupid does and you get what you deserve.

Gotta down ding you, as a sane politically active Tennessean.

278 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:23:18pm

re: #276 NotForYou

re: #274 Conservative Moonbat

And PETA would be mad if you killed one.

So would you, by your own argument.

279 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:23:25pm

re: #272 Conservative Moonbat

And not even a good ratfucking. I heard about the blog but hadn’t read the actual content. That’s just laughable. Do they really think Democrats think and talk like that? Are we characters out of a bad movie?

Apparently so. Bad Bond villians, I guess. Look at this:

Scozzafava Successfully Infiltrates the Republican Apparatus:
The Left Finally Cracks Into the National GOP Establishment and Dede Scozzafava is Already Turning All the Right-Wing Animals Loose on Themselves!!!

But here is the real question: Why is Hoffman’s site promoting that as if it were real???

Here’s something less amusing — but more revealing — about Doug Hoffman’s website: It contains an Internet era update of a dirty trick Nixon’s men used to call “rat fucking.”

Dems love Dede
According to the Draft Dede as a Democrat blog, “we will have her on all of our key issues from card check, to health care, to taxes, social issues and who knows what else.”

And then it has the web address of a blog called PlanetAlbany, linking to a blog called Draft Dede as a Democrat. Pretty damning stuff, right? Dede Scozzafava - Hoffman’s Republican opponent - is actually a Democrat! And the proof is right there in this blog that links to this other blog, by some Democrats so proud of Dede Scozzafava that they prefer to remain completely anonymous.

280 avanti  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:23:54pm

Excellent prospective on gays in the military:

Grave marker.

281 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:23:56pm

re: #277 Conservative Moonbat

Gotta down ding you, as a sane politically active Tennessean.

Understood. You guys have *got* to take your party back from the loons.

282 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:23:57pm

re: #275 Thanos

Maybe their ghost writer was that eminent satirist from jumping in pools sewage

I hear stacy’s on hand…

283 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:24:39pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Stick around, ice. We need you here if you’ve got the time.

Hey DF! — multitasking, trying to pop in and out. What’s going on here?

284 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:25:23pm

re: #279 iceweasel

Seen this?

285 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:25:26pm

re: #274 Conservative Moonbat

Slugs have DNA too you know.

And sea slugs have Adam…

286 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:26:14pm

night, I mean it this time.

287 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:26:19pm

re: #281 austin_blue

Understood. You guys have *got* to take your party back from the loons.

Hell, I’m a democrat. We’ve got to take our government back from those loons.

288 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:27:53pm

re: #284 Conservative Moonbat

Seen this?

No! WTF?? They’re totally without shame.

289 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #276 NotForYou

re: #274 Conservative Moonbat

And PETA would be mad if you killed one.

You know, I’m getting a sniff of Moby with this one.

Dude, if it’s so, wake the fuck up. This board isn’t what it was a year ago. It is now a community of anti-idiotarions, the vast majority of whom are interested in the nuance of discussion, rather than the nuclear option.

Your coy bullshit doesn’t feed the bulldog.

Respectfully, A-B.

290 NotForYou  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:28:31pm

re: #278 Conservative Moonbat

So would you, by your own argument.

I should have put a :) on that one. If someone indifferently or “for fun” killed slugs I would have a problem. I do loves me a tasty burger. Preferably from a free range cow and definetively not from “extra veal” cow fetus. :)

291 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:33:45pm

re: #283 iceweasel

Hey DF! — multitasking, trying to pop in and out. What’s going on here?

Just us fighting the good fight as always.

292 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:34:16pm

re: #290 NotForYou

WTF?

293 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:34:36pm

re: #283 iceweasel

Hey DF! — multitasking, trying to pop in and out. What’s going on here?

How many “that’s what she said” jokes are allowed in one day?

294 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:35:19pm

re: #293 bosforus

In bed.

295 Cheechako  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:36:04pm

Another Gringrich quote”

“If you seek to be a perfect minority, you’ll remain a minority.” (Newsweek 11/02/09)

296 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:36:07pm

re: #293 bosforus

How many “that’s what she said” jokes are allowed in one day?

Heh. Well, since I missed any others made today, I reckon you’re all right. With me, that is.

/that’s what she said.

297 Gus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:36:31pm

re: #284 Conservative Moonbat

Seen this?

Damn. That’s low.

298 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:37:42pm

Laup Norian land scam: The Freedom County project

One variable trait I’ve encountered in my years as a newspaper reporter, editor and blogger has been that libertarians like to get scammed. They really do. They ultimately like to get scammed out of money and or donate money to a cause they won’t see any real investment on.

Take for instance the latest “project,” the Freedom County, Texas movement. Move a bunch of people on one plot of land, get everyone off the grid, grow your own food, take care of your own family, don’t trust the governnment, etcetera. One must not be a member of the lunatic fringe to participate. There are actually some states that were founded on this notion (Vermont, to give one example.)

But one must pay Linda Hunnicutt, the so-called Ron Paul “Granny Warrior,” $1,000 for a “camp site” and $5,000 for one acre of land in a 50-acre spread for property that is worth $325 an acre in some parts where this project is eyeing.elliscountyobserver.com

299 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:38:09pm

re: #296 iceweasel

I guess a pretty good rule of thumb is if it feels like too much for me, everyone else has probably gotten tired of it a while ago.
that’s what she said
Done now. I swear.

300 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:38:40pm

This’ll make you squirt a few…
Parents share diary of child’s cancer battle

Elena Desserich, 6, left notes behind for her parents to find after she died

301 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:38:44pm

re: #292 Sharmuta

WTF?

Yup. Newbie. WTF is appropriate.

302 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:40:04pm

re: #298 jaunte

Laup Norian land scam: The Freedom County project

I think there was an article here at LGF about something like that. Let me look.

303 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:44:35pm

re: #298 jaunte

Indeed it was at LGF, Jaunte. Is that west Texas?

Saving America, One Gated Community At a Time

304 Jack Burton  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:47:48pm

re: #298 jaunte

Laup Norian land scam: The Freedom County project

So they took the Free State Project which was a joke, and made a nano-version of it that was a scam.

305 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:48:27pm

Obama Heads To Dover Air Force Base To Honor Fallen Soldiers


President Barack Obama made an overnight dash Wednesday to Dover Air Force Base to honor the return of fallen soldiers, absorbing the ultimate cost of war as the United States endures its deadliest month of the Afghanistan campaign.

On a clear fall night, Obama flew by Marine One helicopter directly to Delaware to greet the flag-draped caskets of 18 Americans killed in action this week.

The unannounced trip began around midnight and was expected to have the president back at the White House before dawn on Thursday.

306 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:48:49pm

re: #303 Sharmuta

Indeed it was at LGF, Jaunte. Is that west Texas?

Saving America, One Gated Community At a Time

Sounds very much like a backhanded resurrection of the old Republic of Texas movement.

Oh, dear.

307 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:49:27pm

re: #303 Sharmuta

I think the first ‘Paulville’ concept was out west (if the photo can be believed, within sight of the Guadalupe mountains. The one I linked is a later try, in Ellis County (south of Dallas and Waxahachie).

308 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:50:22pm

re: #306 austin_blue

Sounds very much like a backhanded resurrection of the old Republic of Texas movement.

Oh, dear.

Seems like it’s alive and well.

309 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:50:43pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Obama Heads To Dover Air Force Base To Honor Fallen Soldiers

About damned time that a President greeted the dead at Dover to honor them.

310 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:51:18pm

re: #308 Sharmuta

Seems like it’s alive and well.

Well, it’s close to Halloween…

311 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:51:50pm

re: #307 jaunte

I think the first ‘Paulville’ concept was out west (if the photo can be believed, within sight of the Guadalupe mountains. The one I linked is a later try, in Ellis County (south of Dallas and Waxahachie).

So there are multiple scams popping up all around Texas. Lovely.

312 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:52:28pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

Welcome to Barnumville, leetle lady!

313 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:53:33pm

re: #312 jaunte

Welcome to Barnumville, leetle lady!

Outstanding comment! Always someone there to take ‘em!

314 jaunte  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:55:38pm

Must go get sleeps. Goodnight all, thanks for the conversation.

315 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:55:42pm

re: #312 jaunte

Welcome to Barnumville, leetle lady!

Never give a Paulian an even break.

316 webevintage  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:55:44pm

re: #143 bratwurst

I am a leftie, but I also happen to find Matthews grating and generally unwatchable…but there is nothing reasonable about Mr. Long.


True dat.
BUT I love when he goes after someone who refuses to answer a simple question. Just answer the damn question…

317 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:56:50pm

re: #314 jaunte

Must go get sleeps. Goodnight all, thanks for the conversation.

Good night!

318 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:00:14pm

Hmmm…the “show users” page still has re: #314 jaunte

Must go get sleeps. Goodnight all, thanks for the conversation.

Night, my fellow thinking human. Sleep well.

319 deadletterboy  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:02:53pm

Slightly OT but after viewing the videos (second in particular) how many kittens do you think those people each popped out after hearing about the hate crime legislation that passed today?

320 bosforus  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:07:34pm

Buenas noches, amigos mios.
Hasta manana!

321 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:08:52pm

re: #316 webevintage

True dat.
BUT I love when he goes after someone who refuses to answer a simple question. Just answer the damn question…

Matthews is a tool, for sure. Not because he’s partisan— long before Obama made his leg tingle, he was rhapsodising about how Bush ‘glimmers with sunny nobility’ (in 2005)— but because he’s a vacuous hack whose only guiding principle is the Beltway ethos of repeating the standard narratives and worrying only about retaining access to cocktail parties and whoever is in power.

That being said, every once in a while he does seem to have a moment of clarity where he corners someone and hammers them, and those are cool. Pity it’s so seldom.

322 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:10:50pm

re: #319 deadletterboy

Slightly OT but after viewing the videos (second in particular) how many kittens do you think those people each popped out after hearing about the hate crime legislation that passed today?

Lots. Heads have been exploding all over the wingnutsphere about it.

323 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:11:22pm

re: #319 deadletterboy

Slightly OT but after viewing the videos (second in particular) how many kittens do you think those people each popped out after hearing about the hate crime legislation that passed today?

Oh, twenty or thirty. Hate Crime legislation is all about thought crime, dontcha know. It has no place in modern society. Stringing up negroes or beating down queers is all about keeping them in their place. This whole concept of Hate Crimes is completely unnecessary.

///I just can’t put enough sarc tags on this post!///

324 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:14:37pm

Can’t think of a good headline for this

Some days ago these extremists carried out a strange operation: they arrested a Somali woman and whipped her in public because she was wearing a bra. They announced clearly that wearing these bras was unIslamic because it is a form of fraud and deception.
325 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:15:04pm

Proof of fascism: Oppressing Hippies

326 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:16:13pm

Zodiacal Light Over Laguna Verde

327 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:16:25pm

re: #309 austin_blue

Dubbya probably did it too.

328 deadletterboy  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:18:19pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Am I allowed to get a little chuckle out of the look on the hippie’s face?

329 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:19:38pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Dubbya probably did it too.

No, so far as I know and can find on the web, GW never went to Dover. He went to some individual funerals (very few), but he never went to Dover.

330 austin_blue  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:21:44pm

And good night all! Have sweet scaly dreams.

331 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:22:06pm

re: #328 deadletterboy

Am I allowed to get a little chuckle out of the look on the hippie’s face?

Yes, I’ve become a fan of healthcare reform but I still enjoy oppressing hippies. Ironic, eh?

332 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:22:25pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Oppressing Hippies

I see no proof that man is a hippie and I grew up around them.

333 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:22:43pm

re: #329 austin_blue

He probably did but it wasn’t publicized.

334 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:23:09pm

re: #329 austin_blue

No, so far as I know and can find on the web, GW never went to Dover. He went to some individual funerals (very few), but he never went to Dover.

And he (or rather the Pentagon under him) enforced a ban on all media photographs of coffins and bodybags leaving the war zone or arriving in the US.

335 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:23:19pm

re: #326 Racer X

Zodiacal Light Over Laguna Verde

Just beautiful! Thanks for sharing it, 10.

336 lastlaugh  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:23:52pm

Way OT: fun read for basketball fans and conspiracy theorists.
deadspin.com

337 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:24:06pm

More proof of fascism: Gardening

338 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:25:25pm

re: #334 iceweasel

And he (or rather the Pentagon under him) enforced a ban on all media photographs of coffins and bodybags leaving the war zone or arriving in the US.

Just to be fair, do we know if Obama has made any personal calls to the families of troops killed in action? I know Bush did not.

339 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:25:25pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Yes, I’ve become a fan of healthcare reform but I still enjoy oppressing hippies. Ironic, eh?

I think most people are OK with heath care reform. Its the consequences if it gets screwed up worse than what we got that worries me.

340 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:26:18pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

You’re welcome! I never get tired of APOD.

341 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:26:34pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

More proof of fascism: Gardening

With golden shovels! When will this hedonist fascism end?!?!1!

342 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:27:22pm

In fact, Bush went to extraordinary lengths to avoid ever confronting the human cost of the Iraq War.

Over the past 39 1/2 months, more than 2,500 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq. Yet during this entire time — well more than three years — George W. Bush has not attended a single funeral for a soldier who perished during the Iraq conflict. Not one.

My source? That hippie rag Stars and Stripes.

re: #338 Conservative Moonbat

Just to be fair, do we know if Obama has made any personal calls to the families of troops killed in action? I know Bush did not.


That I don’t know. Bush did write personal letters, I know that.

343 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:27:28pm

re: #339 Racer X

I’m pretty nervous about it myself but the counter arguments of death panels and fascism lead me to believe it will probably be ok. If it sucks it probably won’t be because of the reasons that people are objecting to.

344 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:28:09pm

re: #322 iceweasel

Lots. Heads have been exploding all over the wingnutsphere about it.

Reposrts are now coming in of widespread spluttering and monocle loss on the

Wingnut central is reporting heavy casualties due to exploding heads, with widespread spluttering and monocle loss outside the main killzone.

345 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:29:44pm

re: #338 Conservative Moonbat

Just to be fair, do we know if Obama has made any personal calls to the families of troops killed in action? I know Bush did not.

You forget a sarc tag?

346 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty nervous about it myself but the counter arguments of death panels and fascism lead me to believe it will probably be ok. If it sucks it probably won’t be because of the reasons that people are objecting to.

What’s going to suck is the fact that it will take so long to kick in. People won’t see the benefits until after the 2012 election so Obama is going to have to run on “I did this great thing for you that’s going to happen later.”

347 Silvergirl  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:32:45pm

OT: Halloween yummyness

Gruesome and delicious.

348 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:33:08pm

re: #345 Racer X

You forget a sarc tag?

Clinton did it. GHB did it. It’s something presidents should do. GWB was the exception to the norm. I’m just wonder if Obama has returned to the tradition or let GWB set the precedent.

349 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:37:08pm

re: #344 Jimmah

Reposrts are now coming in of widespread spluttering and monocle loss on the

Wingnut central is reporting heavy casualties due to exploding heads, with widespread spluttering and monocle loss outside the main killzone.

What percentage of the non-fatal casualties were caused by bone fragments from the exploding heads? ;)

350 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:37:15pm

re: #348 Conservative Moonbat

How Bush Deals With Grieving Military Families

In emotional private meetings with the families of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, President Bush offers solace—and seeks some of his own.

Read the whole story - its from MSLSD no less.

Aug. 22, 2005 issue - The grieving room was arranged like a doctor’s office. The families and loved ones of 33 soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan were summoned to a large waiting area at Fort Bragg, N.C. For three hours, they were rotated through five private rooms, where they met with President George W. Bush, accompanied by two Secret Service men and a photographer. Because the walls were thin, the families awaiting their turn could hear the crying inside.

President Bush was wearing “a huge smile,” but his eyes were red and he looked drained by the time he got to the last widow, Crystal Owen, a third-grade schoolteacher who had lost her husband in Iraq. “Tell me about Mike,” he said immediately. “I don’t want my husband’s death to be in vain,” she told him. The president apologized repeatedly for her husband’s death. When Owen began to cry, Bush grabbed her hands. “Don’t worry, don’t worry,” he said, though his choking voice suggested that he had worries of his own. The president and the widow hugged. “It felt like he could have been my dad,” Owen recalled to NEWSWEEK. “It was like we were old friends. It almost makes me sad. In a way, I wish he weren’t the president, just so I could talk to him all the time.”

Yeah, that prick Bush could care less about our fallen soldiers.

Read the story.

Then get back to me.

351 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:41:40pm

re: #350 Racer X

Yeah, that prick Bush could care less about our fallen soldiers.

Read the story.

Then get back to me.

Downding. Nowhere did he claim that Bush couldn’t care less about it.

352 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:42:46pm

re: #351 iceweasel

Downding.

Heh.

I expected no less from you.

/semantics my ass.

353 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:44:00pm

re: #350 Racer X

Yeah, that prick Bush could care less about our fallen soldiers.

Read the story.

Then get back to me.

He didn’t do it enough. Maybe because he couldn’t deal with it. During ‘Nam LBJ made it a point of making personal calls every day.

354 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:44:36pm

Supermodels Take It Off For Climate Change

Youtube Video

Oh man, I am so on board with reducing my carbon footprint.

355 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:46:20pm

re: #353 Conservative Moonbat

He didn’t do it enough. Maybe because he couldn’t deal with it. During ‘Nam LBJ made it a point of making personal calls every day.

I read somewhere once that Bush personally contacted every single fallen soldier’s family. I’m sorry I cannot find the link - but it sounds to me like something he would do.

356 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:46:22pm

My crush on Megan McCain is Reaffirmed

she sent this out herself

357 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:46:48pm

If it’s extremism to oppose gay marriage, that must make California a hotbed of reactionary fascism. Good grief. There are legitimate reasons to limit marriage to one man, one woman. And not related.

358 freetoken  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:47:43pm

re: #354 Racer X

Hmmm… warmer temps ➪ supermodels with fewer clothes on…

Probably not a good case for controlling CO2 emissions…

359 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:47:49pm

re: #356 Conservative Moonbat

My crush on Megan McCain is Reaffirmed

she sent this out herself

Very nice use of photoshop there.

360 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:48:23pm

re: #354 Racer X

That last one didn’t look to be so *ahem* natural.

361 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:49:00pm

For the record, Stars and Stripes is run by liberals, and isn’t “pro military”. Their angle is acting like the military is a union and they pretend to be the union shop rag. Here’s what Michael Yon says about them:

Some things are not as they seem. Many people, for instance, seem to think Stars & Stripes is a military lapdog, but this is untrue. If Washington had a yearbook, Stars & Stripes might be voted “most apt to slam the military.” Stars & Stripes is a watchdog.

Now I’m back off to bed, Kasey had to chase the neighborhood possum up a tree again. Let’s hope it gets down before dawn so that we don’t have the same standoff in the AM.

362 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:49:44pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Very nice use of photoshop there.

I was gonna say - I don’t think those are real.

363 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:50:47pm

re: #361 Thanos

For the record, Stars and Stripes is run by liberals, and isn’t “pro military”. Their angle is acting like the military is a union and they pretend to be the union shop rag. Here’s what Michael Yon says about them:

Now I’m back off to bed, Kasey had to chase the neighborhood possum up a tree again. Let’s hope it gets down before dawn so that we don’t have the same standoff in the AM.

For the record, if you check around you will find that Bush never attended any funeral, not merely in the first 39 1/2 months.

364 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:51:31pm

re: #362 Racer X

I was gonna say - I don’t think those are real.

The boobs are real; in the original pic she was reading something about or by warhol though.

365 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:51:37pm

re: #338 Conservative Moonbat

Just to be fair, do we know if Obama has made any personal calls to the families of troops killed in action? I know Bush did not.

See, now I’m curious. How do you know?

366 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:52:05pm

re: #354 Racer X

Supermodels Take It Off For Climate Change


Oh man, I am so on board with reducing my carbon footprint.

good vid, but not practical. Carbon levels are not going down to what they’d be without industry. We’ll have to strike a compromise, but I hope we can still induce the models in question to provide a full-frontal photo if viable changes are made.

/sorry about the shameless oogling, but I’m a guy.

367 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:52:06pm

re: #363 iceweasel

For the record, if you check around you will find that Bush never attended any funeral, not merely in the first 39 1/2 months.

I wasn’t talking about Bush. I was talking about Stars and Stripes.

/for the record.

368 freetoken  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:52:38pm

Get ready for more truther type of movements…

CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH JESSE VENTURA

He’s undertaken some of the most dangerous missions in the world as a Navy SEAL, body slammed giants in the wrestling ring as a WWE superstar, and even conquered the political machine as the governor of Minnesota. Now, Jessie Ventura is about to face his greatest challenge yet; uncovering the truth behind the most compelling modern day conspiracy theories. In each episode he will travel across the country investigating cases, hearing from both conpiracy believers and skeptics to make a final determination about the theory’s validity.

Just what we need… the former governor of MN going around feeding the conspiracy nuts…

369 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:53:47pm

re: #352 Racer X

Heh.

I expected no less from you.

/semantics my ass.

You characterised him as thinking that Bush was a prick who couldn’t care less about the dead soldiers. Nowhere did he say anything at all that suggested that. Semantics? More like blatant mischaracterisation and hyperbole. Not cool.

370 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:54:00pm

re: #368 freetoken

Get ready for more truther type of movements…

CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH JESSE VENTURA

Just what we need… the former governor of MN going around feeding the conspiracy nuts…

I ain’t got time to bleed think rationally.

371 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:54:31pm

re: #368 freetoken

If there’s money in it, Jesse is there.

372 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:54:57pm

re: #367 Thanos

I wasn’t talking about Bush. I was talking about Stars and Stripes.

/for the record.

I took you to be implying that what they’d reported wasn’t true. My apologies.

/both on and off and for the record. Sorry!

373 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:55:46pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

I ain’t got time to bleed think rationally.

Upding for the Predator reference.

/time to take ‘old painless’ outta the bag.

374 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:56:33pm

re: #369 iceweasel

More like blatant mischaracterisation and hyperbole. Not cool.

Dang it!

I hate when I do that.

375 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:58:17pm

Here’s Snopes on the issue, I don’t know why people are still talking about this nontroversy, we do have a new president you know.

snopes.com

Scroll down for what they say. Bush did not attend the funerals, but his reasoning seems sound on the matter.

Now I really am off to bed.

376 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:59:02pm

re: #365 Racer X

See, now I’m curious. How do you know?

It was reported a few different times in various places. My current level of intoxication makes precise google searches difficult but I can find that information for you at a later point in time.

377 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:00:34pm

re: #375 Thanos


Scroll down for what they say. Bush did not attend the funerals, but his reasoning seems sound on the matter.

That’s the part there’s disagreement about, and we’re not ever going to agree on.
goodnight. Sorry again for misreading you above.

378 Silvergirl  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:02:46pm

KT, odd that I posted the same horrible meatloaf hand that you did in another thread. I just saw yours. Oops.

379 freetoken  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:04:04pm

It should be noted that TruTV is part of Turner Broadcasting, and here is the press page for the new Ventura show:

news.turner.com

Ventura is the executive producer.

The presser doc (available at that link) says:

Ventura has a reputation as a rebel and free-thinker. He’s passionate about the world of conspiracy theories, holds many non-mainstream opinions and has no qualms about questioning authority. He’ll plunge viewers into a world of secret meetings, midnight surveillance, shifty characters and dark forces.

CONSPIRACY THEORY puts Ventura on the road with investigative producers June Sarpong and Alex Piper and executive producer Michael Braverman. They’re on a mission to examine possible conspiracies surrounding secret societies, global warming, alleged 9/11 cover-ups, a research center in Alaska that could be a secret government weapon and apocalyptic prophecies, to name a few. They talk to experts, eyewitnesses and examine available evidence.

“This is my personal journey to prove that there is more to these stories than you know about,” Ventura said. “We have credible sources stating their beliefs, and we look into those theories, but ultimately, you will have to be the judge.”

Oh… eech…

380 Racer X  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:05:06pm

This is where I think Bush has shown class. He truly cared about the families. Every fallen soldier ate him up. He could care less about a photo op.

IMHO

381 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:05:15pm

re: #379 freetoken

and has no qualms about questioning authority.

That’s what made him such a great state executive. LOL

382 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:06:14pm

re: #379 freetoken

It should be noted that TruTV is part of Turner Broadcasting, and here is the press page for the new Ventura show:

[Link: news.turner.com…]

Ventura is the executive producer.

The presser doc (available at that link) says:

Oh… eech…

It’s weird to think that the same people who elected him Governor elected Al Franken as a senator. It must be a really odd state.

383 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:08:30pm

re: #378 Silvergirl

KT, odd that I posted the same horrible meatloaf hand that you did in another thread. I just saw yours. Oops.

I hadn’t seen it, so I was glad you posted it anyway. creepy!

384 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:08:50pm

re: #382 Conservative Moonbat

It’s weird to think that the same people who elected him Governor elected Al Franken as a senator. It must be a really odd state.

Don’t forget Bachmann! ;-)

385 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:08:54pm

re: #382 Conservative Moonbat

It’s weird to think that the same people who elected him Governor elected Al Franken as a senator. It must be a really odd state.

Not really. Those two have two major things in common:

1. They are both entertainers.

2. They both come from backgrounds not usually leading to public office, which leads to them being viewed as “outsiders”, which is helpful in appealing to voters.

386 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:11:09pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

Don’t forget Bachmann! ;-)

We can’t forget about Bachmann. Ice and Jimmah made sure of that:

Youtube Video

387 Silvergirl  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:12:12pm

re: #382 Conservative Moonbat

It’s weird to think that the same people who elected him Governor elected Al Franken as a senator. It must be a really odd state.

When it was pointed out to me that Mitt Romney, Harry Reid, and Glenn Beck are all Mormons, I had to think that was really odd!

388 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:15:03pm

Youtube Video

389 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:15:43pm

re: #382 Conservative Moonbat

It’s weird to think that the same people who elected him Governor elected Al Franken as a senator. It must be a really odd state.

It’s the winters- frostbite on the brain. Possibly coupled with a lot of Cheeseheads moving to Minnesota for school or jobs.

Anyways- what’s going on with the state these days is a Paulian infestation within the GOP structure, and they will continue to flock to Bachmann. Look for her to possibly run for Senate. They’ll keep trying to go with this chick until she’s milked for all she’s worth. She won’t even mind because her husband told her God said.

390 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:16:10pm

Does Tru TV still have that oil rig show?

391 el brujo  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:16:31pm

Breaking: Iman shot by FBI in Detroit after he opens fire. Eleven other detained.

392 el brujo  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:17:31pm

Breaking: Iman shot dead by FBI in Detroit after he opens fire. Eleven other detained.

393 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:18:55pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

Well that’s odd! How in the world did Walter’s website get into my profile?
/How’d I manage to do that!? Multitasking is baaad!
//ZOMG, I haz bin haked1!!1
///Lol.

394 freetoken  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:19:15pm

re: #390 Fenway_Nation

Does Tru TV still have that oil rig show?

Don’t know… since I don’t have a TV I am spared quite a bit of our culture’s inanity… The Ventura blurb I found on a different web site that was commenting on new entertainment.

395 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:20:55pm

re: #391 el brujo

Breaking: Iman shot by FBI in Detroit after he opens fire. Eleven other detained.

I hope he enjoys his 72 virgins goats. I thank the FBI for untangling this Islamist scumbags web of crime and then flatlining him when he decided on defiance and gunfire. Good riddance to Islamist rubbish.

396 Bagua  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:21:00pm

re: #379 freetoken


Ventura is the executive producer.
.

Ah yes, Mr. Ventura.

Does your brother have a long history of mental illness?

As long as I’ve known him.

Youtube Video

397 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:21:38pm

re: #392 el brujo

Breaking: Iman shot dead by FBI in Detroit after he opens fire. Eleven other detained.

old news

398 Jack Burton  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:24:02pm

re: #392 el brujo

Breaking: Iman shot dead by FBI in Detroit after he opens fire. Eleven other detained.

Iman as in the Supermodel or Imam?

399 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:24:07pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

I don’t know if ya’ll saw this or not but one of DKos’s first front page contributors quit to go work for Bachman’s opponent. I’m not sure if that’s the kiss of death or not.

dailykos.com

400 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:25:00pm

re: #351 iceweasel

re: #353 Conservative Moonbat

Cripes…Didn’t know Bush was running for re-election in 2010. But way to revisit 2004’s talking points.

/remember kids- vote Kerry-Edwards!

401 simoom  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:33:32pm

re: #368 freetoken

Get ready for more truther type of movements…

CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH JESSE VENTURA

Just what we need… the former governor of MN going around feeding the conspiracy nuts…

I’d expect no less from “America’s own Captain Freedom” :P :
Youtube Video

402 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:34:58pm

re: #401 simoom

I’d expect no less from “America’s own Captain Freedom” :P :

Upding for The Running Man clip.

403 iceweasel  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:41:35pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

re: #353 Conservative Moonbat

Cripes…Didn’t know Bush was running for re-election in 2010. But way to revisit 2004’s talking points.

/remember kids- vote Kerry-Edwards!

Meh, the topic came up. Raised by other people entirely, I might add, and it’s been a remarkably acrimony-free conversation, considering that this is a blog with commenters all across the political spectrum and issues around the Iraq War are even now going to be probably the most bitter.

In short, ask not for whom the butthurt tolls…it may toll for thee.

Youtube Video

404 Silvergirl  Wed, Oct 28, 2009 11:42:20pm

re: #338 Conservative Moonbat

Just to be fair, do we know if Obama has made any personal calls to the families of troops killed in action? I know Bush did not.

Along those lines, Obama to meet plane carrying fallen soldiers in Afghanistan

405 drcordell  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:35:16am

Just got around to watching the Hardball video. I love this guy, he’s against “the government” intruding into anything. Unless that intervention is to prevent abortions, or restrict the civil rights of gays. Then they LUUURVE the government interjecting itself. I also enjoyed watching him dance around Matthew’s evolution questions.

406 Yashmak  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:22:38am

re: #45 Sharmuta

I went to check on agent stacy mccain of the vlaams belang tonight to find him almost exclusively covering this NY 23 race for hoffman. Are any of these “true conservatives” in NY bothered by this association?

I kinda doubt it. Most of them are probably of the sort that defended Vlaams Belang back in the LGF vs. Gateway Pundit squabbling days.

407 filetandrelease  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:30:14am

This will put me out of step here, but if the choice is between a Theocon and a Rino, my money and vote go to the Theocon. I don’t believe the majority of conservatives want any type of theocracy, nor will they allow it. Worst case we have the courts to protect us against it. We have no such buffer with Rinos.

I have read Hoffmans website and a few of his speech’s and have found no indication he is a Theocon, but rather a successful business man with conservative values. It would bother me if he supports teaching ID in the science class, but in these troubling times in Washington I can’t afford to be a single issue voter.

408 drcordell  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:02:31am

re: #407 filetandrelease

This will put me out of step here, but if the choice is between a Theocon and a Rino, my money and vote go to the Theocon. I don’t believe the majority of conservatives want any type of theocracy, nor will they allow it. Worst case we have the courts to protect us against it. We have no such buffer with Rinos.

I have read Hoffmans website and a few of his speech’s and have found no indication he is a Theocon, but rather a successful business man with conservative values. It would bother me if he supports teaching ID in the science class, but in these troubling times in Washington I can’t afford to be a single issue voter.

How exactly is Scozzafezza a RINO? Because she isn’t pro-life?

409 maxwellp  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:18:46pm

What’s the problem with English being the official language?

410 filetandrelease  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:47:49pm

re: #408 drcordell

How exactly is Scozzafezza a RINO? Because she isn’t pro-life?

Well, I have to admit. Other than opinions I can’t corroborate that she is a Rino. Her voting record, now that I took the time to read it, appears fairly conservative. As is her stance on energy. She seems pro business.

Pro life and gay marriage are two issues that frankly I wish the GOP would just put to rest.

So, unless I can find some substantiating information to establish her Rino creed, I will recant my previous post.

In fact, I will take it one step further, if the only reason Palin endorsed Hoffman was the issues of abortion and gay marriage, she will also loose my support.

411 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:15:01pm

What impressed me is that Matthews gave Long every chance to come out for “conservative values” like repealing abortion laws and banning gay marriage and Long just danced around on them

412 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:40:14pm

I wish I had the means to fly myself and a few other folk out for a counter-demonstration across the street. Just to annoy them. To videotape their disgust and rage would be quite the joy.

413 rikzilla  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 5:30:45am

Sorry to comment on a dead thread but I just got to see this. The second video starts with a shot of a very archaic flag of some sort…it looked real familiar to me though…I’m something of a medieval history buff. The flag is a near replica of the Oriflamme. It was the flag that the French unfurled on the battlefield which signaled that there were to be no prisoners taken. It was last used on the battlefield in the 15th century…which seems right about where these morons have their heads.

-z


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