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— Jonathan Swift
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:26:10pm |
The 6 (now seven) most offensive and/or psychotic gingerbread houses we could find.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:26:49pm |
“Nobody has a more sacred obligation to obey the law than those who make the law” (Sophokles)
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freetoken Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:47:27pm |
Possession isn't nine-tenths of the law. It's nine-tenths of the problem.
- John Lennon
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:49:46pm |
re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth
That's nothing. When I was in high school, our German class would make gingerbread houses for orphans every Christmas. One year we had this guy from way down in Mexico in our class who claimed to be descended from Montezuma and Pancho Villa. His contribution that year was a gingerbread concentration camp involving animal crackers in gas chambers. That was not long after Columbine happened. Yeah, he got in deep shit.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:50:01pm |
re: #3 freetoken
Interesting quote, though I don't agree with it. And given John Lennon's support for the IRA, I don't think he really believed it either.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:51:38pm |
Well, I don't have any highfalutin quotes about the law from high minded philosophers or artists or what not, so I'll just link my favorite Star Trek quote.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:54:53pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
Alright, it's time for you to put that whiskey bottle down.
/and slid it in my direction, you selfish, bogarting bastard!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:56:02pm |
re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth
Alright, it's time for you to put that whiskey bottle down.
/and slid it in my direction, you selfish, bogarting bastard!
You got that right. I think I'm done.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:57:20pm |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
That's nothing. When I was in high school, our German class would make gingerbread houses for orphans every Christmas. One year we had this guy from way down in Mexico in our class who claimed to be descended from Montezuma and Pancho Villa. His contribution that year was a gingerbread concentration camp involving animal crackers in gas chambers. That was not long after Columbine happened. Yeah, he got in deep shit.
I used to hang out in Palomas, on the NM border, and every third person was related to Villa...hillarious
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:59:32pm |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
Interesting quote, though I don't agree with it. And given John Lennon's support for the IRA, I don't think he really believed it either.
John was a bit mixed, ideologically....he had his good moments tho, a was truly a gentle soul
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:01:58pm |
re: #11 Gus 802
You got that right. I think I'm done.
Hey! I didn't mean stop, I meant share damn it.
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kreyagg Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:10:03pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
What is amazing about this song is that it still manages to be beautiful with a puppet singing it.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:10:12pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
There is probably a better cover out there. I don't know what it is.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:11:39pm |
Kids got their first solo games this weekend. Should be interesting.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:14:07pm |
re: #16 albusteve
did someone turn off the generator?
Gus took the whiskey and went home. The bastard.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:18:24pm |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
That's nothing. When I was in high school, our German class would make gingerbread houses for orphans every Christmas. One year we had this guy from way down in Mexico in our class who claimed to be descended from Montezuma and Pancho Villa. His contribution that year was a gingerbread concentration camp involving animal crackers in gas chambers. That was not long after Columbine happened. Yeah, he got in deep shit.
Why the hell would orphans want gingerbread houses?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:22:21pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Who knows why orphans want what they want?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:22:39pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno, we'd each make one, then they'd get shipped off to the orphan place for them to eat. Candy cheers kids up?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:23:36pm |
OK, insane story of the week: the Spanish teacher told the fourth graders that there was no Santa Claus, and that believing in Santa was a form of idolatry.
For those of you listening at home, do NOT try this in a lower-middle-class suburban Catholic school setting. The principal spent much of yesterday dealing with various hysterical parents on the phone.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:25:24pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, insane story of the week: the Spanish teacher told the fourth graders that there was no Santa Claus, and that believing in Santa was a form of idolatry.
For those of you listening at home, do NOT try this in a lower-middle-class suburban Catholic school setting. The principal spent much of yesterday dealing with various hysterical parents on the phone.
What business was it of hers to tell the kids that? I fucking hate people who ruin holidays for kids.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:26:03pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, insane story of the week: the Spanish teacher told the fourth graders that there was no Santa Claus, and that believing in Santa was a form of idolatry.
For those of you listening at home, do NOT try this in a lower-middle-class suburban Catholic school setting. The principal spent much of yesterday dealing with various hysterical parents on the phone.
(For the record, I am a huge fan of the Spanish teacher, who told MY class that self-discipline was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, a lesson that I think they need to get through their skulls as soon as humanly possible.)
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:26:07pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, insane story of the week: the Spanish teacher told the fourth graders that there was no Santa Claus, and that believing in Santa was a form of idolatry.
For those of you listening at home, do NOT try this in a lower-middle-class suburban Catholic school setting. The principal spent much of yesterday dealing with various hysterical parents on the phone.
that's over the line....wtf are people thinking with the war on Christmas...some things you just let go and move on...probably an atheist
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:26:35pm |
re: #27 albusteve
that's over the line...wtf are people thinking with the war on Christmas...some things you just let go and move on...probably an atheist
Hardcore evangelical, actually.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:27:04pm |
can i go teach spanish at your school some time
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:27:12pm |
re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist
(For the record, I am a huge fan of the Spanish teacher, who told MY class that self-discipline was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, a lesson that I think they need to get through their skulls as soon as humanly possible.)
Santa is exactly as probable as any Holy Spirit
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:27:25pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
From a strict Catholic perspective, I suppose she might be right.
Oh, but the implications, to tell children that the idea that there is someone who watches everything you do and either rewards or punishes you is false.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:27:45pm |
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:27:47pm |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What business was it of hers to tell the kids that? I fucking hate people who ruin holidays for kids.
Fourth graders? Aren't they 10? Who believes in Santa at this age?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:28:13pm |
re: #30 albusteve
Santa is exactly as probable as any Holy Spirit
And the Holy Spirit does not travel with six to eight black men.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:29:15pm |
re: #33 Mark Winter
Fourth graders? Aren't they 10? Who believes in Santa at this age?
Doesn't matter if its even one. Its not her place to do it.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:30:27pm |
man i totally want to go teach kids for a few days. spanish or german or religion or something.
would be fun. funner than this damn paper im doing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:30:28pm |
re: #33 Mark Winter
Fourth graders? Aren't they 10? Who believes in Santa at this age?
Nine or ten. I don't know. My sixth graders were polling one another today to find out who believes in Santa. I think I was six or so when my mom explained he was 'just pretend'. She told me this evening that my father was furious about that, because you're supposed to say that Santa is 'magic'. Thirty years after the fact, she wanted to make sure I wasn't traumatized.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:31:04pm |
re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist
Hardcore evangelical, actually.
hardcore ass too....common sense should dictate that's a family matter and out of bounds...and a teacher at that....damned UNIONS!
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:31:09pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Why the hell would orphans want gingerbread houses?
It's better than Chinese drywall?
re: #23 SpaceJesus
Dunno, we'd each make one, then they'd get shipped off to the orphan place for them to eat. Candy cheers kids up?
Wait, this is what we feed orphans, high school class projects?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:31:11pm |
re: #29 SpaceJesus
can i go teach spanish at your school some time
Well, "Hey-Zeus", you failed epically at teaching it to the last bunch of defectors here who got their panties in such a twisted wad over your nic, so I'd say "no".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:31:40pm |
re: #39 albusteve
hardcore ass too...common sense should dictate that's a family matter and out of bounds...and a teacher at that...damned UNIONS!
Catholic school. We ain't unionized.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:31:52pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
And the Holy Spirit does not travel with six to eight black men.
that would be Snoop Dog
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:33:02pm |
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kreyagg Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:33:58pm |
re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth
From a strict Catholic perspective, I suppose she might be right.
Oh, but the implications, to tell children that the idea that there is someone who watches everything you do and either rewards or punishes you is false.
From a strict Catholic perspective, where is the threshold for idolatry?
From the rosary to the various statues of saints, and in some cases, really gruesome depictions of the crucifixion. Or even the medallions and such.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:36:02pm |
re: #35 SpaceJesus
actually i just know a bunch of random phrases in mexican spanish, but that's important to know
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:37:12pm |
re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist
A buddy of mine has raised all five of his kids, from the get-go, that there is no such thing as Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc.
They're all pretty good, well adjusted kids. Yet, I think his progeny is made of sterner stuff than the average kid.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:38:28pm |
re: #45 kreyagg
Valid point.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:42:32pm |
re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Doesn't matter if its even one. Its not her place to do it.
Yes I was not questioning that. Just wondering. Kids really don't need teachers to find out about certain things.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:46:16pm |
re: #37 SpaceJesus
man i totally want to go teach kids for a few days. spanish or german or religion or something.
would be fun.
I'm not sure they'd ever recover - scarred for life.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:48:21pm |
re: #50 freetoken
harry potter was scarred for life and he turned out ok
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:50:28pm |
re: #51 SpaceJesus
harry potter was scarred for life and he turned out ok
Also, a fictional character, so he had that going for him too.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:50:50pm |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
Catholic school. We ain't unionized.
I was told all teachers are day walking vampires, is this true?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:51:28pm |
re: #53 goddamnedfrank
I was told all teachers are day walking vampires, is this true?
And on that note, I'm goin' to bed.
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kreyagg Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:51:48pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Also, a fictional character, so he had that going for him too.
And Harry Potter lives in a universe where supernatural forces do exist.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:52:09pm |
re: #51 SpaceJesus
harry potter was scarred for life and he turned out ok
Are we talking about this Harry Potter?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:54:40pm |
re: #53 goddamnedfrank
I was told all teachers are day walking vampires, is this true?
I was told they were homo-sex recruiters. Yet, considering the development of the "Twilight" series, there may be some convergence there.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:55:36pm |
re: #53 goddamnedfrank
I was told all teachers are day walking vampires, is this true?
Here be dragons
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SpaceJesus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 12:05:21am |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
that'll be enough mr. kragar. three points from slytherin!
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 12:09:08am |
re: #59 SpaceJesus
that'll be enough mr. kragar. three points from slytherin!
Then the prophet spake: saying "Frak this, this, for my faith is a shield proof against your blandishments."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 17, 2010 12:26:39am |
Laters y'all. I'll leave you with my favorite scene from the film "Excalibur"
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 12:31:19am |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
Laters y'all. I'll leave you with my favorite scene from the film "Excalibur"
Excalibur is a lot different than I remember it.
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Summer Seale Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:38:10am |
Just one word:
SNOW!!! =)
[Link: plixi.com...]
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:30:19am |
Hi folks!
Just a quick fly-by post to say that Ice-ski and I will be taking a break for the holidays, so we won't be seen round these parts for a while. Along the way there will be much visiting of 'rellies', and some travelling of Scotland in winter.
Hope everyone here has a great holiday, and a happy new year!
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:03:24am |
re: #68 Jimmah
Hi folks!
Just a quick fly-by post to say that Ice-ski and I will be taking a break for the holidays, so we won't be seen round these parts for a while. Along the way there will be much visiting of 'rellies', and some travelling of Scotland in winter.
Hope everyone here has a great holiday, and a happy new year!
Give em hell and yell Ice I blame her.
For everything.
//
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:07:53am |
Heh. This is in relations to the CCC objecting to a black dude playing the "Aryan" God Thor.
I was googling for good pictures of Aryan Indians to show what morons they were, and I found this ridiculously cute kid:
Three years until I get to have a kid. I can't wait.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:11:34am |
Good Morning to Charles Personal Private Reptilian Battalion!
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:12:49am |
re: #72 Obdicut
Heh. This is in relations to the CCC objecting to a black dude playing the "Aryan" God Thor.
I was googling for good pictures of Aryan Indians to show what morons they were, and I found this ridiculously cute kid:
Three years until I get to have a kid. I can't wait.
Kids are the best thing ever.
Really.
Do it right and in a few years, you'll write your own chapter..
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:14:59am |
re: #74 researchok
I'm also really happy I have two awesome brothers who will make great Uncles. One of them is a 2nd grade teacher who is probably going to enter the civil or foreign service, the other is an animal wildlife biologist. They're both great people who will love being uncles.
My parents will simply melt into puddles of happy, sticky goo.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:15:49am |
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:16:10am |
re: #75 Obdicut
I'm also really happy I have two awesome brothers who will make great Uncles. One of them is a 2nd grade teacher who is probably going to enter the civil or foreign service, the other is an animal wildlife biologist. They're both great people who will love being uncles.
My parents will simply melt into puddles of happy, sticky goo.
That is exactly how it unfolds.
Man, I loved the dad thing.
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:17:48am |
re: #76 rwdflynavy
WikiLeaks: Swedish government 'hid' anti-terror operations with America from Parliament
He He He.
That alone is a justification for keeping secrets, secret.
Now, the Swedes will have a harder stime with security matters.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:29:28am |
For anyone who's never seen it, here's some random scenes from The American Astronaut. I can't recommend this insane movie enough:
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:33:15am |
re: #73 rwdflynavy
Good Morning to Charles Personal Private Reptilian Battalion!
Indeed.
You will address me as "Imperator".
:)
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:33:54am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:35:42am |
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:36:34am |
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:40:32am |
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:42:05am |
re: #86 Varek Raith
More government cost overruns:
Emergency Budget Hearing for Funding of the Battlecruiser Golgothus Imperator
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:44:07am |
re: #87 Obdicut
More government cost overruns:
Emergency Budget Hearing for Funding of the Battlecruiser Golgothus Imperator
Rofl...
Image: graphofskulls.gif
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:51:18am |
re: #87 Obdicut
More government cost overruns:
Emergency Budget Hearing for Funding of the Battlecruiser Golgothus Imperator
Though...
That is one sexy ship.
XD
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sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:52:30am |
re: #83 rwdflynavy
You got it Limperator!
What happens when the "Imperator". foregts to take his lil' blue pill!
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:52:36am |
re: #89 Varek Raith
I forget, have you read the Culture series by Ian M. Banks?
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:54:18am |
re: #91 Obdicut
I forget, have you read the Culture series by Ian M. Banks?
Nope.
I take I would be interested?
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:56:42am |
re: #92 Varek Raith
Nope.
I take I would be interested?
Yes. They're amazingly good. Start with Consider Phlebas.
There's a great line in one of the books. A girl laughs when seeing a warship, and says, "It looks like a dildo!". The response is, "That's appropriate. It can fuck solar systems."
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:57:40am |
re: #93 Obdicut
Yes. They're amazingly good. Start with Consider Phlebas.
There's a great line in one of the books. A girl laughs when seeing a warship, and says, "It looks like a dildo!". The response is, "That's appropriate. It can fuck solar systems."
Heh!
Added to reading list.
Thanks
:)
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sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:05:58am |
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garhighway Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:23:17am |
Morning all.
Per Krugman, some commentary on how the Congressional inquiry into the credit crisis is going. It ain't pretty.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:24:11am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:25:45am |
re: #92 Varek Raith
Nope.
I take I would be interested?
Fuck dude, The Culture series is about the best sci-fi writing I have ever read
It doesn't even fuck around, it's nasty savage super-far-future conceptual sci-fi. Iain Banks is a dark dude. DARK
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:27:42am |
re: #100 WindUpBird
Fuck dude, The Culture series is about the best sci-fi writing I have ever read
It doesn't even fuck around, it's nasty savage super-far-future conceptual sci-fi. Iain Banks is a dark dude. DARK
Cool.
I got so far behind on my reading, it's embarrassing.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:29:56am |
heh,, Blake Edwards died
Thank you Mr Edwards, for lots of very good films
[Link: www.boston.com...]
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:47:12am |
re: #98 garhighway
Yeah, what the GOP have been doing on that committee is deeply, deeply asinine.
Then the bubble burst, with hugely disruptive consequences. It turned out that Wall Street had created a web of interconnection nobody understood, so that the failure of Lehman Brothers, a medium-size investment bank, could threaten to take down the whole world financial system.
It’s a straightforward story, but a story that the Republican members of the commission don’t want told. Literally.
Last week, reports Shahien Nasiripour of The Huffington Post, all four Republicans on the commission voted to exclude the following terms from the report: “deregulation,” “shadow banking,” “interconnection,” and, yes, “Wall Street.”
When Democratic members refused to go along with this insistence that the story of Hamlet be told without the prince, the Republicans went ahead and issued their own report, which did, indeed, avoid using any of the banned terms.
That report is all of nine pages long, with few facts and hardly any numbers. Beyond that, it tells a story that has been widely and repeatedly debunked — without responding at all to the debunkers.
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Flounder Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:00:28am |
re: #98 garhighway
I read tha article and thought it was a fluff piece.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:03:20am |
re: #104 Shropshire_Slasher
In what possible way was it a fluff piece?
Can you define 'fluff piece'?
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Flounder Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:05:29am |
re: #105 Obdicut
He is basically telling you what you want to hear, and offers little actual information.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:07:31am |
re: #106 Shropshire_Slasher
He is basically telling you what you want to hear, and offers little actual information.
That doesn't match up with reality, though. He is offering actual information. Like what I posted above.
You seem to simply be knee-jerking rejecting it; I think you're projecting. It appears you're rejecting it because it tells you what you don't want to hear-- and backs it up with actual information.
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Flounder Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:09:15am |
re: #107 Obdicut
Then why not report what is in the Republican's
report?
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:13:11am |
re: #108 Shropshire_Slasher
I'm sorry, what are you talking about? Are you saying Krugman should have included the 9 page Republican report?
He does report on what he sees in the Republican report:
In the world according to the G.O.P. commissioners, it’s all the fault of government do-gooders, who used various levers — especially Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored loan-guarantee agencies — to promote loans to low-income borrowers. Wall Street — I mean, the private sector — erred only to the extent that it got suckered into going along with this government-created bubble.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:17:18am |
Reid: Obama 'Stealing Power'
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:17:52am |
re: #3 freetoken
I'm now remembering the old Larry Niven story about the problems with the word 'my'.
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Flounder Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:18:14am |
re: #109 Obdicut
Exactly, he's telling you what you want to hear.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:19:08am |
re: #112 Shropshire_Slasher
Exactly, he's telling you what you want to hear.
That is not a response that makes any sense. I asked you a question.
Do you think that the Republican report does not, in fact, place the blame on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and other government programs promoting low-income housing?
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Flounder Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:25:35am |
re: #113 Obdicut
Please refer to my fluff comment. This article couldn't any information either way to decide, hence, fluff.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:28:13am |
re: #87 Obdicut
More government cost overruns:
Emergency Budget Hearing for Funding of the Battlecruiser Golgothus Imperator
Okay, that was funny.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:29:03am |
re: #114 Shropshire_Slasher
You are going in circles. The article does, in fact, contain information. If you have reason to believe that Krugman is misrepresenting the Republican position, say so. If you don't, then the article does, in fact, contain information.
That it references the Republican report without reproducing it in full does not mean that it's not conveying information.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:40:29am |
Models in short skirts, lab coats scammed bone marrow donors: claim
A New England bone marrow registry is under investigation after using models in short skirts and lab coats to convince members of the public to submit to a bone marrow sample.
What the models allegedly did not tell the donors -- who were told they could potentially save a life by signing up -- is that their health insurance would be charged $4,300 for the procedure.
Caitlin Raymond International Registry, a group that works to match bone marrow donors with those in need of a transplant, allegedly spent $40,000 to $50,000 a week hiring models to work booths at malls and sports events, convincing passersby -- mostly men -- to submit a to a DNA swab, the Nashua Telegraph reports.
People who volunteered for the test say the models told donors they wouldn't be charged for the test -- but under state law, the full cost of the test would be charged to the person's insurer.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:42:22am |
re: #120 NJDhockeyfan
Man. We really, really need people to register with bone marrow depositories, but doing it sneakily is not going to work. How many of those people will no be willing to actually donate bone marrow, after getting hoodwinked?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:54:06am |
And now some news from the gaming world...
SEGA's New Urinal-Based Gaming Interface Lets You Pee for Points
There was a time when you had to go down to the arcade or pizza shop and pump quarters into machines if you wanted to enjoy a video game experience. Then computers and home gaming consoles brought video game entertainment into our living rooms. Now Sega is cornering the niche bathroom gaming market with a gaming interface named “Toirettsu” in which the user controls the game by peeing on sensors in a urinal.
If you can’t go standing up, perhaps Toirettsu isn’t for you (sorry ladies, but your hands-free method allows you to play Angry Birds on the can anyhow). Toirettsu targets restaurant and retail environments, ostensibly in hopes that by giving users goal-oriented mini-games to focus on, their men’s room floors might stay a bit cleaner as gents have somewhere to aim. And, of course, it gives establishments (and Sega) somewhere to place an ad.
We’re not so sure that urinal gaming is going to keep floors any cleaner – in fact, it’s not difficult to imagine it making floors dirtier (ever thrown your controller during a particularly frustrating round of Halo?). But it will make peeing in public toilets more fun. Layer in a multiplayer, head-to-head (pun intended) function and pretty soon men will be going to the bathroom in pairs too.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:59:33am |
and here is the video...
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:03:06am |
re: #122 NJDhockeyfan
And now some news from the gaming world...
SEGA's New Urinal-Based Gaming Interface Lets You Pee for Points
O_o
We have passed the point of no return.
Humanity is dooomed!
XD
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:04:54am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:06:39am |
This is good...
WikiLeaks sparks push for tighter controls.
The United Nations is considering whether to set up an inter-governmental working group to harmonise global efforts by policy makers to regulate the internet.
Establishment of such a group has the backing of several countries, spearheaded by Brazil.
At a meeting in New York on Wednesday, representatives from Brazil called for an international body made up of Government representatives that would to attempt to create global standards for policing the internet - specifically in reaction to challenges such as WikiLeaks.
The Brazilian delegate stressed, however, that this should not be seen as a call for an "takeover" of the internet.
[Link: www.itnews.com.au...]
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:15:53am |
re: #121 Obdicut
"The Immortal Life Of Henrietta Lacks" by Rebecca Skloot has stirred a lot of debate about anonymity and cell/tissue donation. Most folks don't know that when they have a growth or some tissue removed in a medical procedure, it is then oftentimes studied by researchers with out their knowledge. Polls have shown that folks are mostly ok with that as long as they give consent. Without consent, not to much. [Link: rebeccaskloot.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:43:31am |
Just check the temp outside... 10 degrees (f)... about 1/2 inch of fluffy champagne powder snow on the ground... looks very Christmasy... I love older computers (like mine) that put out a lot of heat... comes in handy on days like this.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:44:01am |
Lego Antikythera Mechanism
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:45:48am |
re: #129 NJDhockeyfan
Lego Antikythera Mechanism
[Video]
HAve you ever seen the reconstruction... goes to show you, once again, that our ancestors were not a bunch of knuckle dragging oafs...
[Link: www.antikythera-mechanism.gr...]
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:47:33am |
re: #130 Walter L. Newton
Because so many people say that Socrates was a knuckle-dragging oaf.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:50:29am |
Larry Flint's HuffPo post:
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:54:36am |
re: #131 Obdicut
Because so many people say that Socrates was a knuckle-dragging oaf.
I remember the immortal words of Socrates who said: "I drank what?"
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:55:29am |
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Man in Black: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:57:28am |
re: #134 rwdflynavy
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Man in Black: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Dick: I made the front page of The Daily Badgerian again.
Tommy: What's it say?
Sally: [reading headline] "Physics professor calls Einstein idiot; proclaims self much smarter."
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:06:36am |
Lots of cool pictures at the link...
A long-lost Roman statue buried for thousands of years has been unearthed by massive winter storms that have lashed the coast of Israel this week.
The mysterious white-marble figure of a woman in toga and 'beautifully detailed' sandals was found in the remains of a cliff that crumbled under the force of 60mph winds and enormous 40ft waves.
The statue, which lacks a head and arms, is about 4ft tall and weighs 440lbs. It was found at the ancient port of Ashkelon, around 20 miles south of Tel Aviv.
It dates back to the Roman occupation of what was western Judea, between 1,800 and 2,000 years ago.
The incredible find, which was discovered by a passer-by, will now be put on display in a museum.
'The sea gave us this amazing statue', researcher Yigal Israeli said. 'The statue fell into the sea when the ancient maritime cliff collapsed'.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:13:02am |
re: #131 Obdicut
Because so many people say that Socrates was a knuckle-dragging oaf.
I'm talking from personal experience. I collect ancient artifacts and Roman and Greek coins, and frequently, when showing some of these items and articles to people, I get a general reaction that they are surprised that anyone, two or three thousand years ago, could have produced something of that quality.
I'm not sure what you are talking about, since I never mentioned Socrates... I guess you just felt a need to make a snide comment... lonely or something?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:14:53am |
re: #137 Walter L. Newton
I'm talking from personal experience. I collect ancient artifacts and Roman and Greek coins, and frequently, when showing some of these items and articles to people, I get a general reaction that they are surprised that anyone, two or three thousand years ago, could have produced something of that quality.
I'm not sure what you are talking about, since I never mentioned Socrates... I guess you just felt a need to make a snide comment... lonely or something?
Here's the trope it sounds like you're running into when you talk with people Walter, if you're interested in taking a look...
[Link: tvtropes.org...]
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garhighway Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:14:54am |
re: #118 Obdicut
You are going in circles. The article does, in fact, contain information. If you have reason to believe that Krugman is misrepresenting the Republican position, say so. If you don't, then the article does, in fact, contain information.
That it references the Republican report without reproducing it in full does not mean that it's not conveying information.
How about this: does it sound like a good idea that the GOP refuses to use the word "interconnection" in describing the credit crisis? Is there any reasonable explanation for what happened in 07 - 08 that doesn't include a recognition that our financial system was highly interconnected in ways that were not well understood prior to then?
Is it not rather Orwellian that they refuse to use that word and run from the concept that it represents?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:22:29am |
re: #138 jamesfirecat
Here's the trope it sounds like you're running into when you talk with people Walter, if you're interested in taking a look...
[Link: tvtropes.org...]
Thanks... I've had this conversation with people for years. I've been into numerous phases of collecting artifacts, fueled by my current interest and my financial ability (currently I'm relegated to lowly pottery shards and an occasional bronze ancient coin), and I have had collections of Greek and Roman artifacts, both pottery items and metal items, at one time a large collection of Meso-American and Pre-Columbian artifacts... but anyway...
It's interesting how some people see our ancestors. Some people just can't grasp the cultural levels that these people reached. Instead they have to credit achievements with ancient astronauts or mystic beings (that includes religious mythology).
But over and over, our ancestors give us a little shake and say "really... well look at this" and we discover something like the Antikythera Mechanism.
Refreshing.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:28:59am |
Looks like we're in for some snow tonight.
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:32:46am |
Beck isn't the only idiot in town. The Red Cross in Britain has banned mention and observance of Christmas- and has the gall to blame Muslims!
Naturally, the Muslim community is offended.
Stupid is one deep canyon.
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:35:54am |
re: #130 Walter L. Newton
HAve you ever seen the reconstruction... goes to show you, once again, that our ancestors were not a bunch of knuckle dragging oafs...
[Link: www.antikythera-mechanism.gr...]
I saw a show on that a while back. It was quite fascinating.
It took some guy a long time to duplicate the thing- it was that sophisticated.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:39:04am |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Looks like we're in for some snow tonight.
England is look at up to a foot of snow tonight... the five day forecast for Paris (as of yesterday when I looked)... showed snow flurries for 5 days straight (a bit unusual for Paris)... and I read an article a few months ago that was predicting a cooler and snowier winter for Europe in general.
And east and south of the continental divide here in Colorado... almost no snow for the season so far... jet stream is further north this year than usual. That happens every so many years... but that also bodes for a really heavy spring snow season.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:39:58am |
re: #144 researchok
I saw a show on that a while back. It was quite fascinating.
It took some guy a long time to duplicate the thing- it was that sophisticated.
Cool thing. Never heard of it before.
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:41:06am |
re: #145 Walter L. Newton
England is look at up to a foot of snow tonight... the five day forecast for Paris (as of yesterday when I looked)... showed snow flurries for 5 days straight (a bit unusual for Paris)... and I read an article a few months ago that was predicting a cooler and snowier winter for Europe in general.
And east and south of the continental divide here in Colorado... almost no snow for the season so far... jet stream is further north this year than usual. That happens every so many years... but that also bodes for a really heavy spring snow season.
Eastern Europe got hammered that past few years. The winter snows/weather and spring floods were almost biblical.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:42:55am |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
Cool thing. Never heard of it before.
I remember back in the 60's, when I was heavy into paranormal stuff, Fortean topics and cryptozoology, the Antikythera Mechanism was getting a lot of press in the pseudo-science press. They were attributing it to everything from ancient astronauts to the lost civilization of Atlantis or Mu.
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:43:37am |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
Cool thing. Never heard of it before.
INCREDIBLE!
They found the mechanism all encrusted on the Med sea floor. They had no idea for the longest time what it was.
Turns out it was some kind sextant/navigation tool that used various gears, wheels, etc. The damn thing was as sophisticated as a Swiss watch,
Check out Walter's link.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:44:44am |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
Cool thing. Never heard of it before.
A Google image search will give you a good look at the original mechanism and the many reconstructions...
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:45:39am |
re: #148 Walter L. Newton
I remember back in the 60's, when I was heavy into paranormal stuff, Fortean topics and cryptozoology, the Antikythera Mechanism was getting a lot of press in the pseudo-science press. They were attributing it to everything from ancient astronauts to the lost civilization of Atlantis or Mu.
I read a novel in which this device was the key to some ancient mystery. I can't recall the title or the author, but it was one of those "Da Vinci Code" type thrillers. James Rollins maybe?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:45:59am |
Councilwoman Alexander Criticizes Barry’s Reality Show
Ward 7 Councilwoman Yvette Alexander is on the attack—nothing to do with city business, but rather her Council peers’ appearance on Marion Barry’s “Mayor for Life” reality show.According to Alexander, who has called the show “cheesy,” City Council members and staff need to stick to their duties serving the District and forget about visions of Hollywood stardom. Also, and considering possible legal ramifications, Alexander has been poised to fire a former Barry communications director that switched over to work for her. The way Alexander tells it, Andre Johnson lied to her about his involvement with show, which has yet to find a sponsoring network and has been described in online blogs as poorly done with substandard acting.
Alexander was not immediately available for comment, but the City Paper reported that Johnson appears to have filmed scenes for the show when he no longer worked as a contracted employee for Barry. However, at the time, he was a full-time employee for Alexander. The councilwoman said she had asked Johnson repeatedly whether he was involved in the show, and he told her no. However, he repeatedly asked Alexander—at Barry's request, Johnson alleges —if she would consent to being filmed for the show, the councilwoman said. Alexander’s response was that only if she could be filmed firing Johnson.
Alexander has also criticized appearances by several other Council peers, saying she couldn’t believe elected officials would be involved in a reality project. “I am truly shocked," she said told City Paper. "Please stick to the Council. Hollywood is not in the stars for you. I think reality TV…seems to be for people who hit rock bottom.”
Meanwhile, since “Mayor for Life” debuted last week on YouTube, it has been marked for private viewing only.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:46:01am |
re: #141 Walter L. Newton
I think the point is rather that even without thinks like the Antikythera mechanism, which is a rather singular artifact, that the Ancient Greeks founded philosophy, mathematics, architecture, etc. etc. etc. It doesn't take astounding finds to show us that they weren't knuckle-dragging oafs; it simply takes a moment's thought and the most cursory knowledge of history.
You often find that people ascribe the opposite trait to people from that time period, as well; that they assume that they had a lot of the same technology we do now, or knew a lot of the same things. It's hard for a lot of people to imagine, for example, a time before germ theory was well-known.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:46:07am |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Would you or anyone have a suggestion for where to host mp3 to share here? I have some more music.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:46:17am |
I imagine you guys have seen the lego recreation of the mechanism? (If not i'll hunt it down, but I know I saw it here.)
Fascinating stuff.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:47:29am |
re: #151 Alouette
I read a novel in which this device was the key to some ancient mystery. I can't recall the title or the author, but it was one of those "Da Vinci Code" type thrillers. James Rollins maybe?
Cool... I never heard of a novel built around it. That would be interesting. Even though I've drifted away from those topics (masquerading as science) , I still enjoy a good fiction using those themes.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:47:36am |
re: #155 Fozzie Bear
NJDhockeyfan already posted it in the thread. He kicked us off on the topic with it.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:48:14am |
And yes, of course there are huge numbers of people who think that before microwave ovens, humans were just this side of lower primates. It allows us to think our problems are unique, and our chances of avoiding the inevitable much higher.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:48:31am |
re: #157 Obdicut
NJDhockeyfan already posted it in the thread. He kicked us off on the topic with it.
That's what I get for skimming the beginning of the thread.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:49:18am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:49:19am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:50:09am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:50:12am |
re: #153 Obdicut
I think the point is rather that even without thinks like the Antikythera mechanism, which is a rather singular artifact, that the Ancient Greeks founded philosophy, mathematics, architecture, etc. etc. etc. It doesn't take astounding finds to show us that they weren't knuckle-dragging oafs; it simply takes a moment's thought and the most cursory knowledge of history.
You often find that people ascribe the opposite trait to people from that time period, as well; that they assume that they had a lot of the same technology we do now, or knew a lot of the same things. It's hard for a lot of people to imagine, for example, a time before germ theory was well-known.
Well, maybe for you, since you are such a lofty intellect, but I was talking about the common ordinary people that I come across in life, down here in the real world.
So, no amount of your pedantic rhetoric diminishes the statement I made, nor the facts behind them.
Boring.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:51:04am |
re: #154 Rightwingconspirator
Would you or anyone have a suggestion for where to host mp3 to share here? I have some more music.
Hmmm, I'm not sure which sites to use for hosting mp3's. Maybe check Flickr. I know they support video formats. Maybe audio too,
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jaunte Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:51:10am |
re: #158 Fozzie Bear
After the internet was invented, we began to walk upright...
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:52:18am |
re: #165 jaunte
After the internet was invented, we began to walk upright...
I give all the credit to Al Gore!
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:55:16am |
re: #165 jaunte
After the internet was invented, we began to walk upright...
After the Internet was invented, we grew four additional legs and a back, that taken together look surprisingly like a chair.
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elizajane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:56:47am |
Hey! I just managed to post my FIRST page to LGF.
##Beams at own technical expertise##
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:56:57am |
re: #166 NJDhockeyfan
I give all the credit to Al Gore!
You know, he never claimed to have invented the Internet, just that he helped promote the idea. I don't know where the inventor meme came from.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:57:19am |
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:57:29am |
re: #136 NJDhockeyfan
The same storm that uncovered that Roman statute has also caused serious damage to the breakwater at Caesarea.
Israeli archaeologists declared a "national disaster" after gale-force winds that battered the coast over the weekend destroyed breakwaters protecting the remains of the city, which was built by Herod the Great shortly before the birth of Christ."The damage is tremendous and dramatic," said Shuka Dorfman, the head of the Israel Antiquities Authority after touring the site. "With the collapse of the breakwater, the antique treasures in the Caesarea National Park are exposed to harm from the Ocean."
While Roman and crusader fortifications were damaged in the gale, it is the loss of the modern breakwater that has archaeologists most worried.
The barrier affords Caesarea, fragile because of erosion and a lack of natural sand, crucial protection from the waves. Officials warned that further heavy rain could easily cause the excavations to slide into the Mediterranean.
Israeli officials are likely going to have to build a replacement breakwater, and soon so as to protect the historical treasures.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:57:32am |
re: #169 b_sharp
You know, he never claimed to have invented the Internet, just that he helped promote the idea. I don't know where the inventor meme came from.
Me neither but it created some funny jokes.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:58:09am |
re: #167 b_sharp
Heh. Spines are fading away...
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:59:03am |
re: #172 NJDhockeyfan
Me neither but it created some funny jokes.
LIke the "I can see Russia from my house!", that Palin never said - great jokes, based on something the person never said.
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KingKenrod Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:00:36am |
re: #154 Rightwingconspirator
Would you or anyone have a suggestion for where to host mp3 to share here? I have some more music.
I think you can share files from a google/gmail account. You just upload it and change the sharing option to "anyone with the link".
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:01:34am |
re: #167 b_sharp
Can I get nosey? You frequently mention your "two hour drive" home from work. In general, evidently with out divulging too much info, what is the circumstances of living so far from employment. Just curious, because that sound brutal. When I was living in the New York/New Jersey area, I knew people who drove into the city, or took public transportation, but it was generally, at the most, an hour and fifteen minute trek...
Like I said... brutal.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:01:34am |
re: #174 reine.de.tout
LIke the "I can see Russia from my house!", that Palin never said - great jokes, based on something the person never said.
Tina Fey said it while impersonating Sarah on SNL.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:02:37am |
re: #175 KingKenrod
I'll try that. I tried Google docs and no luck... So far.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:02:48am |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
Well, maybe for you, since you are such a lofty intellect, but I was talking about the common ordinary people that I come across in life, down here in the real world.
.
It's been my experience that most people understand that a lot of science and math got started in ancient times, and that they're not purely a modern invention. There's certainly quite a bit of ignorance on the topic, but, as I said, a lot of it is of the other kind; thinking that the ancients were rather more advanced than they were.
So, no amount of your pedantic rhetoric diminishes the statement I made, nor the facts behind them.
Well, what I'm pointing out is that the mechanism is extraordinary by the standards of its time. It's a highly unique and unusual piece that reflects the accomplishments of a very individual genius. It certainly reflects an obviously high background level of technology and sophistication, but the reason its so interesting to researchers is because it is quite a step above most of the technology of its day.
Boring
Really? It's all pretty fascinating, to me.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:03:15am |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
Can I get nosey? You frequently mention your "two hour drive" home from work. In general, evidently with out divulging too much info, what is the circumstances of living so far from employment. Just curious, because that sound brutal. When I was living in the New York/New Jersey area, I knew people who drove into the city, or took public transportation, but it was generally, at the most, an hour and fifteen minute trek...
Like I said... brutal.
I'm so spoiled. I live 15 minutes away from my job.
But this summer the freeway will be closed off for construction, then my commute will probably be 30-40 minutes.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:03:40am |
re: #168 elizajane
That's gonna help "de-Beck" some older relatives... Thanks.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:05:06am |
re: #174 reine.de.tout
LIke the "I can see Russia from my house!", that Palin never said - great jokes, based on something the person never said.
This page consists of things that many people think are correct quotations but are actually incorrect. This does not include quotations that were actually blunders by the people that said them.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:06:08am |
re: #180 Alouette
I'm so spoiled. I live 15 minutes away from my job.
But this summer the freeway will be closed off for construction, then my commute will probably be 30-40 minutes.
I'm even more spoiled. I suspect most Lizards know, I live 5 miles from work, and since I live in the mountains, I don't even have to traverse the usual 25 or more miles down and up hill that most of the people up here have to attempt to get into the metro Denver area for work.
I was doing that trek when I worked at the theatre, and then when I worked at the thrift store. The supermarket is certainly not my favorite job, but there are some advantages, like being close to home.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:06:35am |
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:06:56am |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
Can I get nosey? You frequently mention your "two hour drive" home from work. In general, evidently with out divulging too much info, what is the circumstances of living so far from employment. Just curious, because that sound brutal. When I was living in the New York/New Jersey area, I knew people who drove into the city, or took public transportation, but it was generally, at the most, an hour and fifteen minute trek...
Like I said... brutal.
I'm an IT guy for 17 First Nations bands and the closest one is about 1.25 hours away, the farthest about 3.25 hours away. The band I most frequently work at is almost exactly 2 hours away and is the only one with paved roads all the way there.
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elizajane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:09:13am |
re: #177 Alouette
Tina Fey said it while impersonating Sarah on SNL.
Really? I didn't know that.
I had gone back and read the original interview where she said something to the effect of "There are parts of Alaska where you can actually see Russia," which is true although only slightly less relevant to foreign policy experience than 24 hours in Haiti holding hands with sick children.
It bothers me when people mangle the quotation because I think Palin is enough of an idiot on her own terms without making things up about her. That just gives fuel to her claims of victimhood.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:10:16am |
re: #186 b_sharp
I'm an IT guy for 17 First Nations bands and the closest one is about 1.25 hours away, the farthest about 3.25 hours away. The band I most frequently work at is almost exactly 2 hours away and is the only one with paved roads all the way there.
Got it... (had to look up "First Nation" bands)... yep, I pegged that... that's rural... to the max... brutal.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:10:47am |
re: #185 Obdicut
I get prompted to open with Itunes, so sorta, but I was hoping to embed in the comment as I have seen here before.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:11:17am |
re: #187 elizajane
Exactly. The things she has said are at least as stupid as the things she didn't but were attributed to her.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:11:19am |
re: #189 Rightwingconspirator
Oooh, That I don't know how to do.
What I did was what KingKenrod said, upload the file and change the link to anyone allowed.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:12:25am |
re: #191 Obdicut
Aaah the learning continues.
Never ends does it? :)
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:14:05am |
Google docs is neato. Thanks for sharing that trick. I'll remember that.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:15:16am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:16:47am |
How badass is this? Easier than sticking a fish in your ear!
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:16:55am |
re: #186 b_sharp
I'm an IT guy for 17 First Nations bands and the closest one is about 1.25 hours away, the farthest about 3.25 hours away. The band I most frequently work at is almost exactly 2 hours away and is the only one with paved roads all the way there.
Where in Canada are you?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:18:56am |
Wikileaks Supporters Rally in San Francisco
Martin MacKerel wanted to make sure no one got confused about the location of a hastily organized rally in favor of Wikileaks and its founder, Jullian Assange. Around 50 demonstrators rallied outside the British consulate at Sutter and Sansome last night.
But the original demonstration was set for noon Thursday at the Powell Street BART station -- so, opting to go low-tech, MacKerel, a self-described "organizer," stood around at the station with a sign informing all who cared to look of the change of plans.
"I was contacted by Rainey Reitman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation after I started doing invites on Facebook and other sites online," Said MacKerel, a Western Addition resident. "She then really kicked it off by spreading it on the EFF Twitter feed."
MacKerel, Reitman and others stood at the steps of the building housing the consulate demanding that the government not censor the free speech of Wikileaks and whistleblowers. "This goes beyond Wikileaks," said Rietman, whose job title at the EFF is actually categorized as "activist."
"This will affect everything from the New York Times down to anything anyone decides to publish on the Internet."
Other demonstrators were calling for the release of Manning from his solitary confinement at Quantico. They held up signs and banners that read "Free Bradley Manning" and "Bradley Manning is a hero."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:19:49am |
I'm thinking of selling my fancy pocket watch fob to buy a nice set of combs for my wife for Christmas.
Sometimes I find myself wishing I were always middle income. That way being middle income wouldn't hurt so much.
200 grand a year (both of us) to under a hundred grand (both of us) in two years. Not Obama's fault either. But this fucking sucks.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:19:55am |
re: #197 NJDhockeyfan
50? Pathetic. You can get more people to protest a bent Frisbee in San Francisco than that.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:20:42am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm just glad I'm not dirt poor anymore.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:21:25am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of selling my fancy pocket watch fob to buy a nice set of combs for my wife for Christmas.
Sometimes I find myself wishing I were always middle income. That way being middle income wouldn't hurt so much.
200 grand a year (both of us) to under a hundred grand (both of us) in two years. Not Obama's fault either. But this fucking sucks.
I make half of that and I'm happy for it!
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:22:39am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of selling my fancy pocket watch fob to buy a nice set of combs for my wife for Christmas.
Don't do it! She'll cut her hair!
/I've seen and read that one
{Mr. & Mrs. FBV}
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:24:31am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:26:01am |
re: #204 Walter L. Newton
I'm confused... you now stick an Iphone in your ear?
Yeah, they seriously need to make them smaller. /
(It was a HHGTTG reference.)
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:26:55am |
War on Christmas update in pages!
Yes, the wicked grinches, scrooges, and sekrit Muslims at the British Red Cross have banned Christmas, at least according to a shrill headline in the Daily Mail.
The post includes some contrary evidence it took me about 15 seconds to find, but I predict O'reilly, Beck, etc. will pay no more attention to this than the Mail did.
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:30:24am |
re: #207 Shiplord Kirel
War on Christmas update in pages!
Yes, the wicked grinches, scrooges, and sekrit Muslims at the British Red Cross have banned Christmas, at least according to a shrill headline in the Daily Mail.The post includes some contrary evidence it took me about 15 seconds to find, but I predict O'reilly, Beck, etc. will pay no more attention to this than the Mail did.
Hockeyfan posted that earlier but I expected the original news release to be wrong in some way.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:30:40am |
re: #206 Fozzie Bear
Yeah, they seriously need to make them smaller. /
(It was a HHGTTG reference.)
So long, and thanks for all the fish / So sad that it should come to this / We tried to warn you all, but, oh, dear / You may not share out intellect / Which might explain your disrespect / For all the natural wonders that grow around you / So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish! The world's about to be destroyed / There's no point getting all annoyed / Lie back and let the planet dissolve around you / Despite those nets of tuna fleets / We thought that most of you were sweet / Especially tiny tots and your pregnant women / So long, so long, so long, so long, so long! So long, so long, so long, so long, so long! So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!/ If I had just one last wish / I would like a tasty fish!/ If we could just change one thing / We would all have learnt to sing!/ Come one and all / Man and mammal / Side by side / In life's great gene pool!/ So long, so long, so long, so long, so long / So long, so long, so long, so long / So long, so long and thanks for all the fish!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:31:02am |
re: #197 NJDhockeyfan
Other demonstrators were calling for the release of Manning from his solitary confinement at Quantico. They held up signs and banners that read "Free Bradley Manning" and "Bradley Manning is a hero."
ugh
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:32:15am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of selling my fancy pocket watch fob to buy a nice set of combs for my wife for Christmas.
Sometimes I find myself wishing I were always middle income. That way being middle income wouldn't hurt so much.
200 grand a year (both of us) to under a hundred grand (both of us) in two years. Not Obama's fault either. But this fucking sucks.
Welcome to the club. I bet you're still happy... yes? Maybe happier?
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:32:52am |
What's the chance we could go a few threads without mentioning Wikileaks?
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:36:14am |
re: #212 b_sharp
What's the chance we could go a few threads without mentioning Wikileaks?
My guess: Zero.
I could self-fulfill that prophecy, couldn't I.
I wouldn't, though.....
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:36:28am |
It's looking like the health care bill may face more legal problems...
Another judge may reject health care overhaul
Could President Obama's health care overhaul be struck down by a second federal judge?
That's a distinct possibility. Roger Vinson, a federal district court judge in Florida, said yesterday it would take "a giant leap" to accept the Obama administration's argument that requiring almost all Americans to buy health care is constitutional, reports the New York Times.
"People have always exercised the freedom to choose whether to buy or not buy a commercial product," Vinson added.
His comments came in a hearing for a lawsuit brought by a coalition of 20 state attorneys general, all but one Republican.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:38:08am |
re: #212 b_sharp
What's the chance we could go a few threads without mentioning Wikileaks?
About as nil as the chance that we go 100 comments without mentioning Sarah what's her face.
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:38:55am |
re: #215 Walter L. Newton
About as nil as the chance that we go 100 comments without mentioning Sarah what's her face.
Who?
Must have slipped my mind.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:39:58am |
re: #214 NJDhockeyfan
It's looking like the health care bill may face more legal problems...
What are your thoughts about this NJD?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:41:29am |
re: #217 jamesfirecat
What are your thoughts about this NJD?
I agree with the judge. The government has no right to force us to buy a commercial product.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:41:48am |
re: #218 NJDhockeyfan
I agree with the judge. The government has no right to force us to buy a commercial product.
Can they impose a flat tax?
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:42:33am |
re: #217 jamesfirecat
What are your thoughts about this NJD?
Although you didn't ask me, my thoughts are that thoughts frequently lead to questions without answers and not having answers to questionable thoughts gives me a headache.
Any questions?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:43:19am |
re: #219 jamesfirecat
Can they impose a flat tax?
I don't know anything about that. Is the new health care bill considered a flat tax now?
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kingkenrod Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:43:24am |
re: #214 NJDhockeyfan
It's looking like the health care bill may face more legal problems...
In this Bloomberg article, it sounds like the government is trying to claim health insurance is "not a product".
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:43:31am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of selling my fancy pocket watch fob to buy a nice set of combs for my wife for Christmas.
Sometimes I find myself wishing I were always middle income. That way being middle income wouldn't hurt so much.
200 grand a year (both of us) to under a hundred grand (both of us) in two years. Not Obama's fault either. But this fucking sucks.
Oh! Henry.
Hang in there, FBV. My husband's industry took a big hit when Enron imploded. "No more bonuses for you!" I know you know all about belt tightening. It will get better.
Merry Christmas to you and yours, FBV.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:43:57am |
re: #221 NJDhockeyfan
I don't know anything about that. Is the new health care bill considered a flat tax now?
Don't try to understand it... just ignore it.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:44:35am |
re: #221 NJDhockeyfan
I don't know anything about that. Is the new health care bill considered a flat tax now?
Its a flat tax, with tax credits if you preform certain actions (buy health insurance)
If the government can
A) Impose a flat
And
B) Give tax credits for purchasing certain goods?
Then why can't the do B in relation to A?
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Ericus58 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:45:52am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:46:06am |
re: #225 jamesfirecat
Its a flat tax, with tax credits if you preform certain actions (buy health insurance)
If the government can
A) Impose a flat
And
B) Give tax credits for purchasing certain goods?
Then why can't the do B in relation to A?
Are you saying the health care bill is now a flat tax? Got a link for that?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:47:40am |
re: #227 NJDhockeyfan
Are you saying the health care bill is now a flat tax? Got a link for that?
I'm saying the part you don't like works just like a flat ta with tax credits to cover said flat tax if you buy insurance.
Do you dispute this point?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:48:11am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of selling my fancy pocket watch fob to buy a nice set of combs for my wife for Christmas.
Sometimes I find myself wishing I were always middle income. That way being middle income wouldn't hurt so much.
200 grand a year (both of us) to under a hundred grand (both of us) in two years. Not Obama's fault either. But this fucking sucks.
still no drilling permits being issued offshore Louisiana.
There are enough inshore jobs going on right now that many folks still have a job (thank goodness). No clue how long it will last, though.
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Ericus58 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:48:31am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:48:55am |
I'm going downhill to the discount movie theater today to see "Red." Anyone see it? Recommendation? No spoilers please. Even if it stinks, I'm going anyway, it's cheap... and the theater is warm... it's 15 degrees (f) up here right now.
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:49:11am |
re: #227 NJDhockeyfan
Are you saying the health care bill is now a flat tax? Got a link for that?
It may not be explicitly stated that way, but that is pretty much the case.
Everyone is subject to the $500 tax (it isn't associated to one's economic status to my knowledge). You can avoid that tax by buying health insurance.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:49:36am |
re: #232 Walter L. Newton
I'm going downhill to the discount movie theater today to see "Red." Anyone see it? Recommendation? No spoilers please. Even if it stinks, I'm going anyway, it's cheap... and the theater is warm... it's 15 degrees (f) up here right now.
I saw it.
If you like action movies it's pretty decent. If nothing else it's amusing to see so many famous dramatic actors doing something a bit more popcorn flicky...
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:50:10am |
re: #229 jamesfirecat
I'm saying the part you don't like works just like a flat ta with tax credits to cover said flat tax if you buy insurance.
Do you dispute this point?
Why do you keep comparing it with a flat tax? I haven't read anything about that. Is that what the government is saying?
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:50:44am |
re: #232 Walter L. Newton
I'm going downhill to the discount movie theater today to see "Red." Anyone see it? Recommendation? No spoilers please. Even if it stinks, I'm going anyway, it's cheap... and the theater is warm... it's 15 degrees (f) up here right now.
I've read it is alright. Enjoy the popcorn.
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:50:57am |
re: #234 jamesfirecat
I saw it.
If you like action movies it's pretty decent. If nothing else it's amusing to see so many famous dramatic actors doing something a bit more popcorn flicky...
Like most movies anymore, I'll wait to see them at home. Since I got a larger TV the urge to go pay outrageous amounts for a bag of popcorn and a small drink has lessened considerably.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:52:02am |
re: #229 jamesfirecat
I'm saying the part you don't like works just like a flat ta with tax credits to cover said flat tax if you buy insurance.
Do you dispute this point?
The President does...
Shapiro pointed out that even President Obama stressed that the minimum care provision of Affordable Care Act is not a tax. And, he said, the mandate involves no money; it’s just telling American citizens to do something. “If it works perfectly the amount of revenue to be raised is zero because everyone will have complied with it,” he said.
[Link: knowledgecenter.csg.org...]
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:52:22am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
Why do you keep comparing it with a flat tax? I haven't read anything about that. Is that what the government is saying?
How is a fine on people who don't buy something different economically from a tax on everyone with tax credits for those who do buy something?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:52:50am |
re: #232 Walter L. Newton
I'm going downhill to the discount movie theater today to see "Red." Anyone see it? Recommendation? No spoilers please. Even if it stinks, I'm going anyway, it's cheap... and the theater is warm... it's 15 degrees (f) up here right now.
The movie with Helen Mirren?
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:53:43am |
re: #237 PT Barnum
Like most movies anymore, I'll wait to see them at home. Since I got a larger TV the urge to go pay outrageous amounts for a bag of popcorn and a small drink has lessened considerably.
The pop corn at this theater is even cheap. Of course, considering that any bag of popcorn contains about 5 cents worth of product, you could say any bag of popcorn is overpriced.
But I like to get out and get some sun occasionally.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:54:23am |
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:55:46am |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
The President does...
[Link: knowledgecenter.csg.org...]
Well then quite honestly (brace yourselves) I disagree with President Obama.
The provision may have been invented to influence behavior to garner revenue unlike most takes, but intent is not enough to differ from end result in my opinion...
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:56:31am |
re: #241 Walter L. Newton
The pop corn at this theater is even cheap. Of course, considering that any bag of popcorn contains about 5 cents worth of product, you could say any bag of popcorn is overpriced.
But I like to get out and get some sun occasionally.
what? and lose my ghostly pallor?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:57:13am |
re: #239 jamesfirecat
How is a fine on people who don't buy something different economically from a tax on everyone with tax credits for those who do buy something?
I like the judge's simple question...
PENSACOLA, Fla. — In a federal courtroom Thursday, Judge Roger Vinson questioned how far Congress’s authority would go if it can legally require nearly all Americans to purchase health insurance.
Could they "mandate everybody has to buy a certain amount of broccoli?” Vinson questioned, comparing the positive impact both could have on health.
I think it would be ludicrous for the government to fine people who refuse to buy broccoli or health care insurance.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:58:05am |
re: #244 PT Barnum
what? and lose my ghostly pallor?
I refer to my skin tone as my ethereal albedo. /
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:59:41am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
I like the judge's simple question...
I think it would be ludicrous for the government to fine people who refuse to buy broccoli or health care insurance.
Ludicrous? Yes I agree with you.
But if the government can give you tax credits for buying solar panels, why not for buying health care insurance, or a certain kind of broccoli?
Ludicrous != Unconstitutional.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:01:52am |
re: #247 jamesfirecat
Ludicrous? Yes I agree with you.
But if the government can give you tax credits for buying solar panels, why not for buying health care insurance, or a certain kind of broccoli?
Ludicrous != Unconstitutional.
If you don't buy solar panels you don't get fined, do you?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:02:08am |
Single payer would have made a lot more sense, but I don't get why are people claiming that what is essentially a flat tax with an exemption is unconstitutional. It's very similar to a lot of other taxes on the books in structure.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:03:43am |
re: #248 NJDhockeyfan
If you don't buy solar panels you don't get fined, do you?
No, but if you don't buy solar panels you still end up paying more than the guy next door who did.
Lets say you owe $800 in taxes and your neighbor owes $600
Does it make a difference to you if that is because you got fined for $200 dollars or because he got a $200 dollar tax credit?
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:03:49am |
re: #241 Walter L. Newton
The pop corn at this theater is even cheap. Of course, considering that any bag of popcorn contains about 5 cents worth of product, you could say any bag of popcorn is overpriced.
But I like to get out and get some sun occasionally.
I've heard vampires should do that.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:05:41am |
re: #250 jamesfirecat
No, but if you don't buy solar panels you still end up paying more than the guy next door who did.
Lets say you owe $800 in taxes and your neighbor owes $600
Does it make a difference to you if that is because you got fined for $200 dollars or because he got a $200 dollar tax credit?
Yes, very much. The government has no business fining Americans for not buying a commercial product. Period.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:06:40am |
re: #252 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, very much. The government has no business fining Americans for not buying a commercial product. Period.
But you'd be okay if the thing was a tax with exemptions?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:08:06am |
re: #253 jamesfirecat
But you'd be okay if the thing was a tax with exemptions?
It isn't a tax so you are making a mute point.
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:09:01am |
re: #252 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, very much. The government has no business fining Americans for not buying a commercial product. Period.
Then we will say health insurance is for national security. Think about it.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:09:02am |
re: #254 NJDhockeyfan
It isn't a tax so you are making a mute point.
But if it was a tax it would work the exact same way economically you'd still pay more than your neighbor who buys the item in question...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:09:27am |
re: #211 Walter L. Newton
Welcome to the club. I bet you're still happy... yes? Maybe happier?
Absolutely not. Money does buy happiness.
At least I don't feel pathetic.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:10:58am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Absolutely not. Money does buy happiness.
At least I don't feel pathetic.
Well, I'm sorry... for the first time on LGF, I disagree with you.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:11:07am |
re: #256 jamesfirecat
But if it was a tax it would work the exact same way economically you'd still pay more than your neighbor who buys the item in question...
But it's not a tax. What if it was a cheeseburger? What if it was a snow shovel? What if it was a banana split? Does that mean anything?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:11:45am |
re: #259 NJDhockeyfan
But it's not a tax. What if it was a cheeseburger? What if it was a snow shovel? What if it was a banana split? Does that mean anything?
So you'd be okay if the obamacare was rewritten as a flat tax on everyone with exemptions if you buy health insurance?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:12:18am |
re: #232 Walter L. Newton
I'm going downhill to the discount movie theater today to see "Red." Anyone see it? Recommendation? No spoilers please. Even if it stinks, I'm going anyway, it's cheap... and the theater is warm... it's 15 degrees (f) up here right now.
I LOVED IT! TALKED ABOUT IT HERE LAST NIGHT.
Malkovich? Deliciously psychotic. Helen Mirren? Yum. Morgan Freeman? Gravitasious. Bruce Willis? He's fuckin' Bruce Willis.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:13:11am |
re: #258 Walter L. Newton
Oh of course you're right. Having to step off of the success = happiness thingy. Takes a while.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:13:44am |
re: #260 jamesfirecat
So you'd be okay if the obamacare was rewritten as a flat tax on everyone with exemptions if you buy health insurance?
It's not a flat tax!
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:15:15am |
re: #263 NJDhockeyfan
It's not a flat tax!
But would you be okay with a flat tax with credits if you buy healthcare?
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Slap Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:15:55am |
re: #207 Shiplord Kirel
Speaking of the war on christmas, it's time for another Friday edition of Tom Tomorrow:
And btw -- Happy 107th Anniversary of the First Powered Flight!
(Quite possibly the last time the names Orville and Wilbur were considered "cool".....)
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:17:04am |
re: #264 jamesfirecat
But would you be okay with a flat tax with credits if you buy healthcare?
I will make that decision if they change it. Right now it's not a flat tax or a roller coaster or even a pine tree.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:17:57am |
re: #265 Slap
Heh... was sporting a "purple nurple" the day he flew for the first time.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:18:20am |
re: #266 NJDhockeyfan
I will make that decision if they change it. Right now it's not a flat tax or a roller coaster or even a pine tree.
Dude why can't you answer a hypothetical until it becomes a reality?
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b_Snark Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:22:41am |
re: #266 NJDhockeyfan
I will make that decision if they change it. Right now it's not a flat tax or a roller coaster or even a pine tree.
Are you sure about the pine tree thing? Everywhere I go these days I smell pine trees.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:42:49am |
Single payer would have made a lot more sense, but I don't get why are people claiming that what is essentially a flat tax with an exemption is unconstitutional. It's very similar to a lot of other taxes on the books.
You can look at it as a $500 penalty for not buying a commercial product, or you can look at it as a $500 flat tax with an exemption for those who purchase health insurance. It's really a semantic argument.
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garhighway Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:49:10am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
I like the judge's simple question...
I think it would be ludicrous for the government to fine people who refuse to buy broccoli or health care insurance.
Can we make renters pay more tax than homeowners?
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garhighway Fri, Dec 17, 2010 11:05:03am |
re: #270 Fozzie Bear
but I don't get why are people claiming that what is essentially a flat tax with an exemption is unconstitutional.
There's two things going here, i think. There is one group of people that do not and never have bought into the Commerce Clause and think that regulating interstate commerce is no one's business. They are just nuts.
Then there are those who insist that this is "the government making me do something" and feel that such compulsion is unconstitutional. They miss the point that the government is not making and cannot make you buy insurance. It can say that it wants you to, and that if you don't, various things might happen (like a higher tax, for example), but as noted above, it does that via the tax code for all sorts of issues.
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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