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Once I built a railroad, I made it run,
made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad; now it’s done.
Brother, can you spare a dime?
— Yip Harburg, “Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?”
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Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 7, 2011 10:57:10pm |
Richard Thompson w/ his new band (and playing a Tele) — Man in Need
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Kragar Fri, Jan 7, 2011 10:59:43pm |
Game day tomorrow. Kids are playing a match and I got an Apocalypse battle.
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Mr Pancakes Fri, Jan 7, 2011 11:16:41pm |
re: #1 Conservative Moonbat
Richard Thompson w/ his new band (and playing a Tele) — Man in Need
[Video]
He’s great….. I saw Fairport Convention at the Coach House. Their bass player Dave Pegg sat down with my brother in law and I after I asked him for an autograph. We talked, and drank, and laughed for about 30 minutes before the show started. The Coach House serves Mexican food…. Dave said he loved “Mexi” I had never heard it called that before.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:03:41am |
One lemon drop, a pint of Guinness, and another pint of whatever my $3 could buy and here I am, still wonderfully buzzed.
Okay, I’ll admit it, the $3 got me a pint of draft Pabst Blue Ribbon.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:13:22am |
so that’s where this line comes from
We look hard
We look through
We look hard to see for real
Such things I hear, they don’t make sense
I don’t see much evidence
I don’t feel. I don’t feel. I don’t FeelA long train held up by page on page
A hard reign held up by rage
Once a railroad
Now it’s done…I hear the roar of a big machine
Two worlds and in between
Hot metal and methedrine
I hear empire down..
-Sisters of Mercy, Lucretia My Reflection
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:13:46am |
re: #4 eclectic infidel
One lemon drop, a pint of Guinness, and another pint of whatever my $3 could buy and here I am, still wonderfully buzzed.
Okay, I’ll admit it, the $3 got me a pint of draft Pabst Blue Ribbon.
cue blue velvet line
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:43:42am |
A band that will latch onto a riff and not let go……… good band though.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:48:55am |
Speaking of the desperately unemployed, while the unemployment rate in this country improved a bit in the last report, it should be noted that this “improvement” was accompanied with another decrease in the participation rate. In other words, more people are just choosing to not be part of the labor force, so they don’t show up as “unemployed.”
I see people all over the place begging - several tonight in front of the supermarket.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:50:58am |
re: #9 freetoken
Speaking of the desperately unemployed, while the unemployment rate in this country improved a bit in the last report, it should be noted that this “improvement” was accompanied with another decrease in the participation rate. In other words, more people are just choosing to not be part of the labor force, so they don’t show up as “unemployed.”
I see people all over the place begging - several tonight in front of the supermarket.
Right… I heard it quoted somewhere that if you added all those unreported people it might be as high as 17%.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:57:02am |
re: #10 Mr Pancakes
Be sure to differentiate unreported from those deciding to simply not be part of the labor force anymore. There is “under-reporting” due to both lack of people applying for unemployment compensation, and people choosing simply to not work anymore (except perhaps for those “under the table”.)
That latter idea - of people working for pay but neither party reporting it - is something that might become critical. I’m beginning to think that we could be on the verge of a major break down in legitimacy as far as taxes and law keeping is concerned. It’s always been a there, of course, but if the US becomes dominated by the “black market” as other countries have at certain times and places then that means quite a change in our society.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:01:50am |
re: #11 freetoken
Be sure to differentiate unreported from those deciding to simply not be part of the labor force anymore. There is “under-reporting” due to both lack of people applying for unemployment compensation, and people choosing simply to not work anymore (except perhaps for those “under the table”.)
That latter idea - of people working for pay but neither party reporting it - is something that might become critical. I’m beginning to think that we could be on the verge of a major break down in legitimacy as far as taxes and law keeping is concerned. It’s always been a there, of course, but if the US becomes dominated by the “black market” as other countries have at certain times and places then that means quite a change in our society.
Understood…. there’s also the self employed that aren’t making it…… they aren’t eligible either.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:08:16am |
re: #11 freetoken
(except perhaps for those “under the table”.)
That latter idea - of people working for pay but neither party reporting it - is something that might become critical. I’m beginning to think that we could be on the verge of a major break down in legitimacy as far as taxes and law keeping is concerned. It’s always been a there, of course, but if the US becomes dominated by the “black market” as other countries have at certain times and places then that means quite a change in our society.
I always thought a laundromat would be a perfect business…..
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:08:44am |
re: #12 Mr Pancakes
Most of the self-employed people I know have really struggled over the last two years.
I’m of the opinion that only a significant change in “life-style” (i.e., reducing the excessiveness of American consumption) coupled with a sustained, multi-decade reinvestment in infrastructure (built to last) for the purpose of making our cities/towns more efficient will be able to see the US social fabric through to the end of the decade.
Point is - a diminished lifestyle will come one way or another. Either we prepare for it and build for a congenial simplicity, or, we suffer from creeping crises that will see many people returning to a condition similar to the rural poor of the 1930’s.
Call me a doomer if you like, but there is no way for us to keep consuming such a disproportionate share of global energy and material resources.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:09:32am |
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:10:35am |
re: #13 Mr Pancakes
I always thought a laundromat would be a perfect business…
Until the gubmint takes away the coins and makes us all use EBT.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:12:04am |
Speaking of work, I must go and spend some time on a project….
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:14:48am |
re: #14 freetoken
Most of the self-employed people I know have really struggled over the last two years.
I’m of the opinion that only a significant change in “life-style” (i.e., reducing the excessiveness of American consumption) coupled with a sustained, multi-decade reinvestment in infrastructure (built to last) for the purpose of making our cities/towns more efficient will be able to see the US social fabric through to the end of the decade.
Point is - a diminished lifestyle will come one way or another. Either we prepare for it and build for a congenial simplicity, or, we suffer from creeping crises that will see many people returning to a condition similar to the rural poor of the 1930’s.
Call me a doomer if you like, but there is no way for us to keep consuming such a disproportionate share of global energy and material resources.
I’m self employed and you can add me to that list……. we live in a very frugal manner……. my wife is very good in that way….. supporting her two kids in TJ on $40 a week 15 years ago when I met her.
I’m kinda sitting back waiting to see what happens.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:15:31am |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:19:05am |
Hi Ed…. ICU
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:29:32am |
re: #7 Mr Pancakes
Honestly, the First and Last and Always record is way more complex sonically, lots of layered guitar, Vision Thing is nice but it’s not very deep, it’s sorta getting closer to industrial music
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:30:42am |
re: #14 freetoken
Most of the self-employed people I know have really struggled over the last two years.
I’m of the opinion that only a significant change in “life-style” (i.e., reducing the excessiveness of American consumption) coupled with a sustained, multi-decade reinvestment in infrastructure (built to last) for the purpose of making our cities/towns more efficient will be able to see the US social fabric through to the end of the decade.
Point is - a diminished lifestyle will come one way or another. Either we prepare for it and build for a congenial simplicity, or, we suffer from creeping crises that will see many people returning to a condition similar to the rural poor of the 1930’s.
Call me a doomer if you like, but there is no way for us to keep consuming such a disproportionate share of global energy and material resources.
I’m a self-employed web programmer and designer. Over the past few years I’ve gotten maybe 4 good gigs a year plus google adsense income from sites I run myself. I used to hook up small time mom and pop businesses with basic websites for fairly cheap because I can’t do anything super fancy and they aren’t looking to spend a lot of money. Now people with computer science degrees and 10 years of experience in industry are competing for that same kind of work.
I’m going back to school, finishing my philosophy degree, and trying to get into a masters of social work program after that. Maybe I can find work taking peoples kids away from them for $25k a year.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:34:05am |
re: #14 freetoken
Most of the self-employed people I know have really struggled over the last two years.
I’m of the opinion that only a significant change in “life-style” (i.e., reducing the excessiveness of American consumption) coupled with a sustained, multi-decade reinvestment in infrastructure (built to last) for the purpose of making our cities/towns more efficient will be able to see the US social fabric through to the end of the decade.
Point is - a diminished lifestyle will come one way or another. Either we prepare for it and build for a congenial simplicity, or, we suffer from creeping crises that will see many people returning to a condition similar to the rural poor of the 1930’s.
Call me a doomer if you like, but there is no way for us to keep consuming such a disproportionate share of global energy and material resources.
I’m self employed and I’ve really never done better, but I’m sorta not a case that can be easily quantified. I will say consumption is becoming less and less rewarding as I get older, I just want to make stuff . And the “consumption” I engage is copious amounts of beer, a car payment for a car I barely ever drive, and stuff to make art. That’s about it, I’m looking forward to having both vehicles free and clear *_*
Eventually, we are killing off the car in America. As much as I LOVE cars, and I am almost obsessed with certain model years of cars, it’s ending, we just cannot afford to be rolling around in 5000 lb vehicles as the population multiplies
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:34:54am |
re: #14 freetoken
I’m of the opinion that only a significant change in “life-style” (i.e., reducing the excessiveness of American consumption) coupled with a sustained, multi-decade reinvestment in infrastructure (built to last) for the purpose of making our cities/towns more efficient will be able to see the US social fabric through to the end of the decade.
Call me a doomer if you like, but there is no way for us to keep consuming such a disproportionate share of global energy and material resources.
You are un-American! Why do you hate our freedom to consume prolifically and ostentatiously and what is the use of more government “interference” in the form of public construction projects?
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:35:13am |
re: #23 Conservative Moonbat
I worked very near social workers, being in grunt health care for a DD program, social work is ROUUUGH, the hours are long, the stress is massive, but you’re The Good Guys in every way, good luck
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:36:24am |
re: #25 ralphieboy
You are un-American! Why do you hate our freedom to consume prolifically and ostentatiously and what is the use of more government “interference” in the form of public construction projects?
/
I DEMAND my death panels, I’m repaneling my office you see, I heard death panels are a rich dark hardwood, with handcrafted inlaid sigils of His Infernal Majesty
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:38:32am |
in the next fifty years, car use will decrease, and motorsports will increase. The fetishization of cars will increase as their use becomes more difficult, expensive, and unnecessary.
You heard it here first :D
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:39:48am |
re: #14 freetoken
Point is - a diminished lifestyle will come one way or another.
You make a great ‘one sentence’ point. It’s either on our terms or not.
I still have the more cynical view and think my children or their children will know deep tragedy returning to the stone age. If it takes that long.
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EdDantes Sat, Jan 8, 2011 1:45:08am |
re: #23 Conservative Moonbat
“Maybe I can find work taking peoples kids away from them for $25k a year”.
You mean taking away the children of unfit parents only?
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 3:48:11am |
re: #23 Conservative Moonbat
Now people with computer science degrees and 10 years of experience in industry are competing for that same kind of work.
Yeah, no kidding. I recently saw a self printed advert of someone offering math tutoring … for $6/hr !! For years the bottom line rate around here was around $10/hr for tutoring by someone with a batchelors level, but now people are advertising at below minimum wage.
Too many people have hung out their shingles as a “website developer”. I know of people at the local CC who have just taken an intro class to “the web” and now want to sell themselves as web developers (on the cheap, of course.) It’s just all to absurd to me, especially since I have a graduate degree in CS and spent years in project management of multi-million dollar ventures.
People are selling their lives way too cheaply.
Again I say - reduce one’s cost of living! Frugality has definitely returned to the menu. I had hopes that by now I would have had my own little business in Japan, but that came to naught. So now I lurk for an opportunity to come hither or yon; one thing for certain, I’m not globe-trotting anymore.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 3:59:16am |
re: #28 WindUpBird
Americans will give up their cars only when you pry their cold, dead hands from the steering wheels.
Seriously, the one thing that will have to happen is a move to much better fuel mileage. And, that will happen. So I expect, in 30 years, that Americans will still lust for automobiles, though they’ll be half as heavy and get twice the mileage.
You do make a point though - motorcycles ought to become more popular. Also, one thing I thought was great in Japan was the proliferation of small, three wheeled motorcycles, used usually by local deliveries of small shops. One seater, they come with a tiny flatbed to haul boxes.
Compare that to my local Domino’s, where the delivery folk are driving their sedans and pickup trucks around to deliver a measly $12 pizza a mile away. Totally stupid and wasteful.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:01:07am |
re: #31 freetoken
Yeah, no kidding. I recently saw a self printed advert of someone offering math tutoring … for $6/hr !! For years the bottom line rate around here was around $10/hr for tutoring by someone with a batchelors level, but now people are advertising at below minimum wage.
Too many people have hung out their shingles as a “website developer”. I know of people at the local CC who have just taken an intro class to “the web” and now want to sell themselves as web developers (on the cheap, of course.) It’s just all to absurd to me, especially since I have a graduate degree in CS and spent years in project management of multi-million dollar ventures.
I’ve got 3/4ths of a philosophy degree and nothing formal in IT at all. I just started hacking around on Apple IIs and C64s and never stopped. I managed to get salaried positions with startups during both web booms but now, zilch.
It doesn’t help that half my experience is on porn sites that I can’t put down on a resume.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:08:22am |
re: #4 eclectic infidel
One lemon drop, a pint of Guinness, and another pint of whatever my $3 could buy and here I am, still wonderfully buzzed.
Okay, I’ll admit it, the $3 got me a pint of draft Pabst Blue Ribbon.
heh,,, I (fondly) recall when $3 got me six-pack of Pabst!
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:09:29am |
re: #33 Conservative Moonbat
I’ve got 3/4ths of a philosophy degree and nothing formal in IT at all. I just started hacking around on Apple IIs and C64s and never stopped. I managed to get salaried positions with startups during both web booms but now, zilch.
It doesn’t help that half my experience is on porn sites that I can’t put down on a resume.
Work experience is more important than formal training for jobs. Actually, who you know has always been the most important.
Look, I love academia and have always liked to study, but the reality is that the “academy” is over flowing and frankly too many people just go because they are told they ought to, or they just want more money and think getting letters after their name is the path to gold.
Love knowledge for its own sake.
If you like philosophy by all means follow your heart.
If you want to make money, get connected into the right circles.
As for the Pr0n site experience - just call it “entertainment websites” on resume.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:12:10am |
The lovely Dorothy Kirsten, from 1944, singing Villa-Lobos:
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:25:10am |
re: #35 freetoken
Work experience is more important than formal training for jobs. Actually, who you know has always been the most important.
[snip]
That doesn’t seem to be the case in my situation. I have 25 years of business orientated application development… as part of my resume header states…
Have programmed custom software applications from analysis to finished product. Applications developed include commercial products and custom in-house systems for health care, finance, affirmative action, human resources, work order tracking, POS, inventory and legal systems. Also responsible for documentation, training, manuals and testing plans.
I have had multiple applications that I have designed and programmed for employers on the commercial market. I was programming computers when all we had were those wood framed things with the little beads. There is barely a business process that I haven’t already programed. An employer can say “I want this” or ” I want that” and sometime in the last 25 years, I’ve already done it.
My platform for the last 10 years or so is Oracle, writing custom Oracle applications in PL/SQL using Oracle Forma and Reports. I’m also an expert in the mid-size programming language platforms Visual Basic, Access and Visual Foxpro.
I haven’t been able to get a full time position since 2005. Two of the recruiters I have worked through over the last 6 years for occasional contract work has told be the same thing off the table… it’s my age… I’m now 58. And I have talked to enough people in my same situation and I hear the same thing over and over… ageism.
So, I’m not sure what you base your statement above on, but at least in the Denver, I have not found that to be true in any way. The companies are more interested in someone who will work 70 hours a week, for half of what the work is really worth, as long as you promise not to die in your cube.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:27:42am |
Next week is the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society (this year in Seattle.)
The big news will be a slew of planet discoveries, mostly from the Kepler team. Ought to grab some headlines. There are quite a few presentations planned, of which the two most general and covering the Kepler mission as a whole are:
Super-Earths and Terrestrial Planets: Latest Results from the Kepler Mission
Kepler: Opening New Doors in Astronomy
Ought to be interesting stuff. The latter might be recorded.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:29:13am |
re: #37 Walter L. Newton
Addendum… I have no formal training… ever.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:31:04am |
re: #37 Walter L. Newton
So, I’m not sure what you base your statement above on,…
I was simply ordering the importance, from top on down:
Who you know
What you’ve done
What schooling you’ve had
There is no guarantee of a job just because one has many years of experience. There are many people in your situation, or similar, Walter. That’s why we all lament the economy here - so many of us have plenty experience and/or education and yet find opportunities to be far and wide.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:31:13am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:34:12am |
re: #40 freetoken
I was simply ordering the importance, from top on down:
Who you know
What you’ve done
What schooling you’ve had
Not really
The “who you know” can be an advatage if you’re going up against someone with the same (or even just a tad more) experience and/ or training. The “who you know” certainly gets you into the door, but the “what you’ve done/ schooling” KEEPS you in the door, ESPECIALLY in a professional corporate environment (i.e. not a small mom/pop operation)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:37:31am |
re: #40 freetoken
I was simply ordering the importance, from top on down:
Who you know
What you’ve done
What schooling you’ve hadThere is no guarantee of a job just because one has many years of experience. There are many people in your situation, or similar, Walter. That’s why we all lament the economy here - so many of us have plenty experience and/or education and yet find opportunities to be far and wide.
First off, I wasn’t lamenting… and did I ever indicate that there are any guarantee’s… you must be mistaking me for some whining liberal.
If anyone knows me from LGF, then one knows that I make due, and I’m quite happy. I am resourceful enough to make lemonade out of lemons, and I actually find most of my strength from my stubbornness… my happiness and fulfillment is not based on anything other than the way I approach life.
ALL I was responding to was your statement, and putting it into my perspective… I don’t find your comment to hold water IN REGARDS TO ME.
That’s all I was commenting on.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:39:30am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:39:52am |
re: #43 Walter L. Newton
I am resourceful enough to make lemonade out of lemons
Build a stand by the road
Job problem solved!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:41:21am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 4:58:23am |
So… on another topic… I’m so anal. There’s six days left before the girlfriend and I leave for Paris… I’m already packed. Got one medium sized piece of roll around luggage for check in, and a Man Bag (yes, that’s a real product) as my “purse” for carry on.
The check in luggage is really sized right to be usable as a carry on, but CGD airport has some long walks from the gate to the curb where I get the city bus, and the luggage carousels are just inside the doors from the bus, so it’s really much easier to check the bag and let the baggage system bring you bag almost to the front door.
My girlfriend is getting excited about the trip, for a number of different reasons. One, she’s never been to France. She studied Spanish in Spain, and has been to Germany, but never Paris. The other reason she’s excited is because she’s “rattled” by the fact that I am an expert is bad French. I can bring the “english” out of the most stoic French person.
I’ve always taken the Rick Steves approach to communicating in a foreign country. Use few descriptive words to say whole paragraphs, use your hands and body english to convey your thoughts and jump in feet first… go ahead and talk, they will correct you and they will appreciate the fact that you are trying to communicate in their language.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:01:57am |
It’s snowing.
It’s the end of the world.
Morning.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:02:01am |
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researchok Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:02:59am |
re: #47 Walter L. Newton
So… on another topic… I’m so anal. There’s six days left before the girlfriend and I leave for Paris… I’m already packed. Got one medium sized piece of roll around luggage for check in, and a Man Bag (yes, that’s a real product) as my “purse” for carry on.
The check in luggage is really sized right to be usable as a carry on, but CGD airport has some long walks from the gate to the curb where I get the city bus, and the luggage carousels are just inside the doors from the bus, so it’s really much easier to check the bag and let the baggage system bring you bag almost to the front door.
My girlfriend is getting excited about the trip, for a number of different reasons. One, she’s never been to France. She studied Spanish in Spain, and has been to Germany, but never Paris. The other reason she’s excited is because she’s “rattled” by the fact that I am an expert is bad French. I can bring the “english” out of the most stoic French person.
I’ve always taken the Rick Steves approach to communicating in a foreign country. Use few descriptive words to say whole paragraphs, use your hands and body english to convey your thoughts and jump in feet first… go ahead and talk, they will correct you and they will appreciate the fact that you are trying to communicate in their language.
You guys will have a blast. Hopefully there will be no major weather surprises.
The good news is some of the outdoor markets are open year round- best cheese, bread, charcuerie, etc.
I’m hungry.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:03:41am |
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researchok Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:03:49am |
re: #50 Varek Raith
It’s snowing.
It’s the end of the world.
Morning.
So far so good, here. But it is overcast and gray.
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researchok Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:04:13am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:04:23am |
re: #50 Varek Raith
It’s snowing.
It’s the end of the world.
Morning.
You start singing that annoying song and I’ll thrash you!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:05:39am |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
Sorry…
Bonjour… ça va?
Phrases needed for you trip
“Wheres the bathroom’
“Wheres the bus stop”
“Wheres the American consulate”
“Wheres the French Post Cards”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:05:47am |
re: #55 researchok
Comme d’habitude
And ruin my excellent bad french… come on, you’re taking all the fun out of it.
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researchok Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:06:43am |
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
And ruin my excellent bad french… come on, you’re taking all the fun out of it.
I know, but I have an excuse.
I’m one of of those maudit anglais.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:08:57am |
re: #57 sattv4u2
Phrases needed for you trip
“Wheres the bathroom’
“Wheres the bus stop”
“Wheres the American consulate”
“Wheres the French Post Cards”
I’ve always told people you only need 5 phrases (or words) to get around Paris…
Bonjour (or Bonsoir)
Toilette
Merci
si vous plait
au revoir
That’s enough to keep you from being arrested.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:09:07am |
re: #59 researchok
I know, but I have an excuse.
I’m one of of those maudit anglais.
Indeed you are.
:P
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researchok Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:10:35am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:13:16am |
re: #60 Walter L. Newton
I’ve always told people you only need 5 phrases (or words) to get around Paris…
Bonjour (or Bonsoir)
Toilette
Merci
si vous plait
au revoirThat’s enough to keep you from being arrested.
Restroom tips…
That’s not a phone booth on the street… it’s a toilette.
If the crowd is big enough, or the establishment you are at is busy enough… you will find females in the mens room with you… if you can even find a “men only” restroom.
Those marks on the flow are for placement of your feet… now squat.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:14:52am |
re: #60 Walter L. Newton
I’ve always told people you only need 5 phrases (or words) to get around Paris…
Bonjour (or Bonsoir)
Toilette
Merci
si vous plait
au revoirThat’s enough to keep you from being arrested.
Depends
If you’re saying Bounjour to someone who didn’t want you in THEIR Toilette without them asking you to be there, they’ll be au revoiring you to emprisonner
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:15:59am |
My platform for the last 10 years or so is Oracle, writing custom Oracle applications in PL/SQL using Oracle Forma and Reports. I’m also an expert in the mid-size programming language platforms Visual Basic, Access and Visual Foxpro.
Those are platforms in decline. The database landscape is going batshit with innovation right now and there’s no new demand for Oracle guys. Those are all legacy Microsoft technologies for the most part. Break down and take out a loan and retrain if you can’t do it from books.
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Baboon Cheeks Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:16:31am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:17:05am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:17:43am |
re: #66 Jimmah
Love can move mountains. Yes it can!
[Video]
Morning folks :)
So can dynamite~~~
Morning back atchya
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Baboon Cheeks Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:20:59am |
re: #67 Varek Raith
How ya two doin’?
Doing great! Very busy, but very happy. How have things been around here? (Haven’t been around since before the holidays)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:23:56am |
re: #64 sattv4u2
Depends
If you’re saying Bounjour to someone who didn’t want you in THEIR Toilette without them asking you to be there, they’ll be au revoiring you to emprisonner
The first time I went to Europe, for what ever reasons, I was most fascinated with the restroom culture. The unisex public restroom, the fact that even if there is a male/female restroom, you will have crossover if they are busy, the multiple type of toilets, sit downs and Turkish style.. and the multiple kinds of systems… one button for low flush, one button for heavy flush, buttons on the floors to operate the water faucet instead of a handle to turn water off and on in the sink… all sort of toilet innovations that we don’t see here in the states.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:28:19am |
re: #70 Walter L. Newton
The first time I went to Europe, for what ever reasons, I was most fascinated with the restroom culture. The unisex public restroom, the fact that even if there is a male/female restroom, you will have crossover if they are busy, the multiple type of toilets, sit downs and Turkish style.. and the multiple kinds of systems… one button for low flush, one button for heavy flush, buttons on the floors to operate the water faucet instead of a handle to turn water off and on in the sink… all sort of toilet innovations that we don’t see here in the states.
Japanese toilets scare me
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:29:13am |
re: #50 Varek Raith
It’s snowing.
It’s the end of the world.
Morning.
We should be getting some snow starting tomorrow through Monday… could be anywhere from 3-4 inches or 5-10 inches… the weather geeks are still working out the details.
And by Monday overnight, we should be down to around -5 degrees (f).
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:31:05am |
Took a bunch of American girlscouts camping in a Korean park. For many it was their first experience with “bombsight” toilets. It went OK after we told them the little tubs in the floor weren’t footbaths.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:31:45am |
re: #50 Varek Raith
re: #72 Walter L. Newton
We should be getting some snow starting tomorrow through Monday… could be anywhere from 3-4 inches or 5-10 inches… the weather geeks are still working out the details.
And by Monday overnight, we should be down to around -5 degrees (f).
We’re even suppose to get a couple of inches of sbow here inAtlanta tonight/ tomorrow
My son is already making plans with friends for Monday anticipating that schools will be closed
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:33:34am |
re: #71 Conservative Moonbat
Japanese toilets scare me
That’s actually wonderful. I really love bidets to start with, and that was certainly a high-tech bidet. I think Americans are neanderthals when it comes to toilet and bathroom equipment.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:36:02am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
Why do you hate America American plumbing?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:37:24am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
That’s actually wonderful. I really love bidets to start with, and that was certainly a high-tech bidet. I think Americans are neanderthals when it comes to toilet and bathroom equipment.
re: #76 Decatur Deb
Why do you hate
AmericaAmerican plumbing?
What is this “toilet” and “bathroom equipment” and “plumbing” of which you speak?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:38:43am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:41:07am |
re: #78 Decatur Deb
In my day all we needed was an entrenching tool an some poison ivy leaves.
In your day?
In all your years, you’ve only pooped one day?
Thats some serious constipation you’ve got going on there! Have you contacted The Guiness people??
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:43:28am |
re: #79 sattv4u2
A mayfly only copulates once, but it satisfies the need. Makes for dull mayfly literature, though.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:43:53am |
re: #76 Decatur Deb
Why do you hate
AmericaAmerican plumbing?
I don’t know… fashionable I guess?
Really, the first time I went to Europe, I stated to actually pay attention to the toilet and bathroom “culture” there. I was fascinated by the environmental innovations of the fixtures and toilets, even down to the timed lighting in some restrooms.
The FIRST bathroom I ever used in Europe was at a cafe, we had arrived at the airport, when to our hotel and hit the streets right away for lunch.
I went into the restroom at this cafe, turned on the light and sat down. About 3 minutes later the light went off. Pitch black, no windows to an alley or something, and the light switch was not with in arms reach.
Didn’t realize at that moment that you will find numerous types of lighting innovations there designed to save resources. Zoned lighting that turns off and on as you move from one part of the house to another, timed lighting, all sorts of technology.
I stumbled around until I found the switch, and quickly finished up before it went out again.
Ask me about the fist unisex restroom I encountered?
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:43:57am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
That’s actually wonderful. I really love bidets to start with, and that was certainly a high-tech bidet. I think Americans are neanderthals when it comes to toilet and bathroom equipment.
Have fun in France.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:44:26am |
Dog Gammit!!
I just realized ,, the NFL playoffs start today/ tonight
I’m supposed to be going to a dinner party!!
“{cough cough},, gee honey ,, I don’t feel to well,, I think I’ll just have to stay home and lay on the couch,, no no ,, you go, I wouldn’t want you to missi it , and oh, can you hand me the remote ,, and a beer {cough cough} !!”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:45:32am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:45:37am |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
Ask me about the fist unisex restroom I encountered
Must we?
Okay ,,, whats the 1st uni bathrom you encountered?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:46:33am |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
I don’t know… fashionable I guess?
…snip
Ask me about the fist unisex restroom I encountered?
Gopher it. (It was always funny to travel the Italian autostradas with groups of young GIs, when they encountered the little old ladies handing out towels in the johns.)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:46:33am |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
Thanks… gonna love finding a bidet :)
You know ,, you COULD save a ton of money by just staying home and having your girfreind aim the hose at your ass!!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:47:31am |
re: #85 sattv4u2
Ask me about the fist unisex restroom I encountered
Must we? Okay ,,, whats the 1st uni bathrom you encountered?
(funny you should ask… from an article I wrote about it)
I found a unisex restroom today. It was Sunday, June 10th 2001 and we were eating lunch at La Gourmandiere in the little town of Germangy. This was the first Sunday of our trip. The restaurant was filled with after-church families, children in their Sunday clothes and young French couples.
After eating lunch, nature called. I didn’t have a clue. I scanned the room and saw a door marked “Toilettes” (pronounced “twah-lets” in French). Clue number one should have been that the word was PLURAL. So I passed through the door into a rather large room. On the other side of the room was a stall marked “Hommes.” I was so proud of myself. I had been studying my French before I left the states and I knew that “Hommes” translated to “men.”
I open the door and went in and sat down. My second clue should have been “why is the word men hanging on the stall door INSIDE OF THE RESTROOM.”
So here I am sitting, waiting for that great big one, when I hear the restroom door open and two chatty restaurant patrons walk in.
They are women! I figured that my limited knowledge of French had failed me and then at that moment my bladder failed me. I couldn’t control it. Now I know why the French call restrooms “water closets.” I almost pissed all over myself. I tucked my feet up on the toilet seat, wrapped my arms around my knees and assumed a fetal position balanced on top of the shit can. I didn’t want them to get a peek of a pair of men’s shoes planted on the floor tiles of the stall.
I broke out into a cold sweat and went on an auto pilot prayer vigil. “Please God, don’t let them find me in the woman’s restroom. I don’t want to get to know the local police and end up wasting away in some rural version of the Bastille.”
I heard another stall door open and shut, two minutes of silence, toilet flush, door open and shut again and then the whole sequence repeated. If I were paying any attention my third clue would have been the fact the two women had used the SAME stall, never even peeking into my little cell.
They left the restroom. I wipe, zip up and bolt out of the stall. I looked around the room to make sure that one of the women had not stayed behind to powder up or fix her makeup.
And then I saw the light. A sign on the other stall read “Femmes.” Of course, this is a typical European co-ed restroom. I sauntered out and sat down with my fellow travelers, bragging about how much I understood the French culture.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:48:35am |
re: #87 sattv4u2
You know ,, you COULD save a ton of money by just staying home and having your girfreind aim the hose at your ass!!
Ok… that actually made me laugh out loud… and my laughter also scared Maisey the Parrot and she feel off her perch.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:49:46am |
re: #90 Walter L. Newton
Ok… that actually made me laugh out loud… and my laughter also scared Maisey the Parrot and she feel off her perch.
“It’s dead, Jim”
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Baboon Cheeks Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:51:48am |
Yaay! Elder Scrolls V announcement from Bethesda’s Todd Howard:
New game “Skyrim” to harness power of Max Von Sydow:
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 5:58:38am |
re: #93 Decatur Deb
Ingmar would be so proud!
Oh ,, I thought the 1st video was just showing us a way to blow smoke up peoples asses!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:00:31am |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:03:19am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:05:42am |
And on a related note…
What Is Your Toilet Posture?
European or Iranian-Style? Results of 2002 Landmark Clinical Study
One of the most remarkable clinical studies on toilet posture was carried out in 2002. The study was spearheaded by Dr Rad Saeed, an Iranian radiologist at Tabriz University of Medical Sciences.
Dr Rad’s main goal was to compare the effectiveness of European (sitting) and Iranian (squatting) habits of emptying the bowels by using x-ray imaging techniques.
What I find really interesting is a menu option at that web site… “Share your Story.” I didn’t dare click on it.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:05:47am |
re: #96 Decatur Deb
Just a simple merge of the technology of the censer and the bidet.
Ahh ,, so ,, NOT smoke ,, MIST !!
Excellent!
(Walter ,,, are you getting excited by the possibilities!?!?!))
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Baboon Cheeks Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:05:48am |
re: #93 Decatur Deb
Ingmar would be so proud!
Release date is 11/11/11. Won’t come a moment too soon for all those who got hopelessly addicted to Oblivion. Like this guy:
Later folks!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:06:59am |
re: #98 sattv4u2
Ahh ,, so ,, NOT smoke ,, MIST !!
Excellent!
(Walter ,,, are you getting excited by the possibilities!?!?!))
I’m sitting on pins and needles… oh… that’s exciting too!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:08:20am |
re: #99 Jimmah
Release date is 11/11/11. Won’t come a moment too soon for all those who got hopelessly addicted to Oblivion. Like this guy:
[Video]Later folks!
Games are still pop culture. I could imagine a time when they develop into Classical, Folk, and Pop. I can also imagine a time when entertainment will be hand shadows on the bunker wall.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:08:43am |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
I’m sitting on pins and needles… oh… that’s exciting too!
Well, ,no need to go see a doctor
That explains the anal leakage!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:21:09am |
re: #90 Walter L. Newton
Ok… that actually made me laugh out loud… and my laughter also scared Maisey the Parrot and she feel off her perch.
Just had a thought
If you turn her over, are you flipping the bird?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:21:23am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:21:47am |
re: #105 sattv4u2
Just had a thought
If you turn her over, are you flipping the bird?
You’re lonely… aren’t ya?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:22:30am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:22:47am |
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:26:29am |
Will someone please help us in Maine! Gov. LePage has stated he will put people before politics, but has signed an EO demanding all people who want welfare money to keep themselves alive during the cold winters here…they must provide proof of citizenship (he may find that all immigrants in our state are documented. He’ll be shocked!). Not only that, but he’s put a CASINO DEVELOPER in charge of Maine’s Department of Environmental Protection and our new right wing controlled House and Senate has lost their mind….well…in the House anyway: the wingers were passing out the New Testament to the Maine House members the other day, which means, they will be advocating for those who adhere to this religion over those who have darker than pasty white skin who adhere to another religion in our state. Ugh! *cringe*
[end rant]
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:30:47am |
re: #110 KayInMaine
A) ,, Heaven forbid state and fedearl monies go to needy people that are ,, well ,, CITIZENS
B) casinos bring in lots of money and jobs to a state (see Connecticut)
C) Someone givesd someone a “New Testament” only means someone now has a new “New Testament”
I doubt it’s going to influence their vote!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:31:38am |
re: #110 KayInMaine
Will someone please help us in Maine! Gov. LePage has stated he will put people before politics, but has signed an EO demanding all people who want welfare money to keep themselves alive during the cold winters here…they must provide proof of citizenship (he may find that all immigrants in our state are documented. He’ll be shocked!). Not only that, but he’s put a CASINO DEVELOPER in charge of Maine’s Department of Environmental Protection and our new right wing controlled House and Senate has lost their mind…well…in the House anyway: the wingers were passing out the New Testament to the Maine House members the other day, which means, they will be advocating for those who adhere to this religion over those who have darker than pasty white skin who adhere to another religion in our state. Ugh! *cringe*
[end rant]
Help yourselves (novel idea.. huh?)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:32:35am |
re: #110 KayInMaine
re: #111 sattv4u2
A) ,, Heaven forbid state and fedearl monies go to needy people that are ,, well ,, CITIZENS
B) casinos bring in lots of money and jobs to a state (see Connecticut)
C) Someone givesd someone a “New Testament” only means someone now has a new “New Testament”
I doubt it’s going to influence their vote!
Forgot to mention the Gulf shore area of Alabama and Mississippi also
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:35:30am |
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:36:16am |
re: #114 Walter L. Newton
Where is this closet? I don’t want Maine to become New Jersey! :D
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:37:13am |
re: #115 KayInMaine
Anyone got some very large bootstraps? LOL
Yup ,, a casino on an island in Casco Bay with a hotel that has a King James bible in and end table drawer means staffed by legal ciotizens of the USA =’s NAZIS !!
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:37:32am |
I just got back from the DMV. My drivers license still does not look like me. :(
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:37:46am |
Just like all states in the Union, all religions are represented in our state. I find it very offensive that the republican controlled House passed out the Christian bible! I would have been fine if the bozos had passed out the pocket Constitution for them to read! :D
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:37:49am |
re: #116 KayInMaine
Where is this closet? I don’t want Maine to become New Jersey! :D
Don’t worry… if anyone moved from Maine to New Jersey, the intelligence level of both state would increase.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:38:05am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:38:46am |
re: #119 KayInMaine
Just like all states in the Union, all religions are represented in our state. I find it very offensive that the republican controlled House passed out the Christian bible! I would have been fine if the bozos had passed out the pocket Constitution for them to read! :D
Bullshit… the liberals were screaming about reading the constitution in the House last week.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:40:14am |
re: #117 sattv4u2
I would be fine with the casino being on an island off the coast of Maine, but since it will be two towns over from me, well, I’m cringing! Beautiful spot they’ve chosen to put it and now because LeTeaBag has put a casino developer in charge of the MDEP, that means all permits for the casino will fly through without interruption. Scary to think about for those of us who love the serenity and beautiful landscape of our state!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:40:39am |
re: #115 KayInMaine
Anyone got some very large bootstraps? LOL
((trying this again for clarity, only because I botched so bad the 1st time))
Yup ,, a casino on an island in Casco Bay with a hotel that has a King James bible in an end table drawer staffed by legal citizens of the USA =’s NAZIS !!
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:42:47am |
re: #122 Walter L. Newton
This liberal wasn’t! :D The irony is as it was being read, two dingbats didn’t take their oath which violates the Constitution and another one was yelling about President Obama, which if she had shut up for 5 seconds, she would have heard the qualifications: born on American soil (Obama was!) and a citizen of the country for 14 years (he has lived here way longer than that!). But I digress. I never tire of hearing the US Constitution being read or reading it. As a paralegal, I welcome it. :D
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:42:51am |
re: #123 KayInMaine
I would be fine with the casino being on an island off the coast of Maine, but since it will be two towns over from me, well, I’m cringing! Beautiful spot they’ve chosen to put it and now because LeTeaBag has put a casino developer in charge of the MDEP, that means all permits for the casino will fly through without interruption. Scary to think about for those of us who love the serenity and beautiful landscape of our state!
on an island, off the coast, out in the ocean…how convenient
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:43:07am |
re: #123 KayInMaine
I would be fine with the casino being on an island off the coast of Maine, but since it will be two towns over from me, well, I’m cringing! Beautiful spot they’ve chosen to put it and now because LeTeaBag has put a casino developer in charge of the MDEP, that means all permits for the casino will fly through without interruption. Scary to think about for those of us who love the serenity and beautiful landscape of our state!
Especially since all those rich bastards will be making lots of money off of that casino… it should be against the law.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:43:08am |
re: #123 KayInMaine
I would be fine with the casino being on an island off the coast of Maine, but since it will be two towns over from me, well, I’m cringing!
At least you admit your a NIMBY
“yeah ,, I want the benefits but put it over there where someone ELSE has to deal with it”
Beautiful spot they’ve chosen to put it
Hard to draw high rollers (and regular people for that matter) to a casino if they put it in a GHETTO!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:43:43am |
re: #128 sattv4u2
I would be fine with the casino being on an island off the coast of Maine, but since it will be two towns over from me, well, I’m cringing!
At least you admit your a NIMBY“yeah ,, I want the benefits but put it over there where someone ELSE has to deal with it”
Beautiful spot they’ve chosen to put it
Hard to draw high rollers (and regular people for that matter) to a casino if they put it in a GHETTO!
imagine trying to park
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:44:08am |
re: #126 albusteve
on an island, off the coast, out in the ocean…how convenient
Actually, the islands ofv the coast of Portland (Casco Bay) are convenient, and very nice too
Ferries take people and cars there hourly
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:45:03am |
re: #126 albusteve
It would be great for the islanders because their cost of living is so much higher than those of us on the mainland.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:45:14am |
re: #125 KayInMaine
This liberal wasn’t! :D The irony is as it was being read, two dingbats didn’t take their oath which violates the Constitution and another one was yelling about President Obama, which if she had shut up for 5 seconds, she would have heard the qualifications: born on American soil (Obama was!) and a citizen of the country for 14 years (he has lived here way longer than that!). But I digress. I never tire of hearing the US Constitution being read or reading it. As a paralegal, I welcome it. :D
Evidently you don’t welcome this dingbat’s freedom of speech?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:45:26am |
re: #130 sattv4u2
Actually, the islands ofv the coast of Portland (Casco Bay) are convenient, and very nice too
Ferries take people and cars there hourly
okay…nobody will become seasick then
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:45:26am |
re: #129 albusteve
imagine trying to park
“I KNOW I left my car here. I gave a guy 5 bucks to watch it!!
HEY , where’s the guy!!!”
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:46:41am |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
Did anyone stop her? Nope! I had wished someone had yelled, “You LIE!” when John Boehner was speaking, but the Democrats are too reserved for that kind of outburst. LOL
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:47:22am |
re: #131 KayInMaine
It would be great for the islanders because their cost of living is so much higher than those of us on the mainland.
ummm,, not it’s not
I had property on Peaks Island for DECADES
My tax rate was no higher than Portlands (Peaks being PART of Portland)
Ferry was cheap as a land/homeowner,,,,, didn’t have to register/ tag a car that stayed on the island ,,groceries were comparable to intown
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:48:16am |
another partisan, tooling up for todays slamfest, like stretching exercises
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:48:32am |
re: #133 albusteve
If you think about it…..the large cruise ships that come to Portland to spend their money every year would have a casino to spend it there too! The casino will not be on an island, of course. It’s going to be an hour north of Portland near the New Hampshire border.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:49:45am |
re: #136 sattv4u2
Yep, Peaks Island was part of Portland therefore enjoying the same tax rates. I don’t believe all the islands (and there are a ton as you know!) enjoy this same luxury.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:50:54am |
re: #138 KayInMaine
If you think about it…the large cruise ships that come to Portland to spend their money every year would have a casino to spend it there too! The casino will not be on an island, of course. It’s going to be an hour north of Portland near the New Hampshire border.
I must not be thinking straight at this hour….cruise ships stop in Maine?…we are screwed for certain
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:50:59am |
re: #139 KayInMaine
Yep, Peaks Island was part of Portland therefore enjoying the same tax rates. I don’t believe all the islands (and there are a ton as you know!) enjoy this same luxury.
All the islands in Casco Bay are not part of Portland, but all of them do NOT have (as you say) a “much higher cost of living”
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:53:00am |
re: #138 KayInMaine
It’s going to be an hour north of Portland near the New Hampshire border.
ummm,, an hour north of Portland is NOT “near the New Hampshire border”
(Portland being about an hour north of the NH border itself!)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:53:41am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:54:07am |
people that emote :D should start a club….call it the :D Club….everytime I see a happy face, I want to smash it
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:54:31am |
re: #141 sattv4u2
Chebeague Islanders will differ with you I suspect. When you have more than one child who has to take the ferry inland to go to school or you have property in the family for years where the taxes for it are almost unmanageable, times are not easy. The wealthy on the islands don’t feel the hardship.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:56:06am |
re: #143 sattv4u2
Really? Go look at the map and find Oxford, Maine. That’s an hour north of Portland (or Northwest to be exact). The closest turnpike exits are at least 30 minutes away to get to the new casino.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:57:10am |
re: #147 albusteve
You can make fun of me if you need to. :D LOL
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:58:23am |
re: #146 KayInMaine
Chebeague Islanders will differ with you I suspect. When you have more than one child who has to take the ferry inland to go to school or you have property in the family for years where the taxes for it are almost unmanageable, times are not easy. The wealthy on the islands don’t feel the hardship.
Tax rate for Chebeague is not that different than the rates paid by people living near the waterfront in Portland
As far as taking the ferry to school ,,, thats only when they go to middle/ high school as grammer schools are on the island(s)
As far as having to pay for the ferry,, agian, (A) residents get a break from the CAsco Bay lines (discounted commuter passes) and (B) it’s someones choice to live on the islands knowing their commute will include the ferry!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 6:58:57am |
re: #148 KayInMaine
Really? Go look at the map and find Oxford, Maine. That’s an hour north of Portland (or Northwest to be exact). The closest turnpike exits are at least 30 minutes away to get to the new casino.
Yes ,, and an hour NORTH of Portland is NOT an hour north of the NH border!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:00:33am |
Dolan gathered with other religious leaders on Thursday to draw attention to the city’s high abortion rate. The city health department last month released statistics that showed 39 percent of pregnancies ended with induced termination in 2009.
wow…sounds like a mill, a factory
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:01:15am |
And on that note (again), the long quiet drive home beckons
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:02:31am |
re: #152 albusteve
Hey… were fixing to get 5-10 inches of snow Sunday through Monday, and -5 degrees (f) temps over night… is any of that coming your way?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:02:43am |
re: #151 sattv4u2
I never said an hour north of the New Hampshire border. WHERE I LIVE (two towns over from Oxford) WE ARE 30 MINUTES FROM GORHAM, NEW HAMPSHIRE. Gees. Why are you arguing with me over such a stupid point. I travel to Portland 5 days a week from the Oxford area and it always takes at least an hour to get there (depending on traffic!). Travel it some day. From Portland go to Gray Maine, take Route 26 NORTH and see how long it takes you to get to Oxford on Route 26 (the main road to the area!).
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:03:59am |
If you live on an island and have to take the ferry to Portland to start your travel to Oxford, Maine, it’s going to take even longer!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:04:07am |
After years of papering over severe budget shortfalls, Illinois lawmakers Friday were closing in on a plan to raise the state income tax by 75 percent and refinance roughly $8.5 billion in debt in an effort to stabilize the state’s finances.
look for another exodus out of another dem controlled state….backfire!
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:05:07am |
re: #146 KayInMaine
Chebeague Islanders will differ with you I suspect. When you have more than one child who has to take the ferry inland to go to school or you have property in the family for years where the taxes for it are almost unmanageable, times are not easy. The wealthy on the islands don’t feel the hardship.
According to the Sperling’s Best Places website, the cost of living in Portland is about 17% higher than the rest of the country.
Chebeague Island is 32% higher than the rest of the country.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:08:48am |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
Hey… were fixing to get 5-10 inches of snow Sunday through Monday, and -5 degrees (f) temps over night… is any of that coming your way?
don’t think so….we have to have a pretty stout front down from the NE to get much snow and icy temps…but a week ago we had exactly that
we don’t get much change down here…lower winter temps temps, but still usually sunny and dry….low 50s today and blue skies
at altitude is another matter…mountains all across NM are covered with good snow
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:09:46am |
re: #159 albusteve
don’t think so…we have to have a pretty stout front down from the NE to get much snow and icy temps…but a week ago we had exactly that
we don’t get much change down here…lower winter temps temps, but still usually sunny and dry…low 50s today and blue skies
at altitude is another matter…mountains all across NM are covered with good snow
This should be a fun weekend for you… football playoff stuff… yes?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:10:39am |
re: #158 BongCrodny
It’s expensive to live here. No doubt about it, but we have awesome schools, our towns are very communal, and we have a landscape that most visitors long to go back to. Of course, some will argue: “My child got a rotten education from [insert name of school here]!”, but as my mother would say, “You can get an education in any school as long as you apply yourself”.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:14:45am |
re: #160 Walter L. Newton
This should be a fun weekend for you… football playoff stuff… yes?
yeah, that’s about it…life around here is very restricted, but I’m moving foreward
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:17:06am |
re: #161 KayInMaine
It’s expensive to live here. No doubt about it, but we have awesome schools, our towns are very communal, and we have a landscape that most visitors long to go back to. Of course, some will argue: “My child got a rotten education from [insert name of school here]!”, but as my mother would say, “You can get an education in any school as long as you apply yourself”.
I’m from the hellhole of Maine — if you’re a native, you probably won’t have to guess too hard to know which town I’m talking about.
I love Portland, however. :-)
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:19:09am |
re: #127 Walter L. Newton
By the way, how many people working at casinos retire from there with a nice pension who aren’t part of upper management? Just curious. This is an honest question that I don’t know the answer to.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:20:53am |
“What we can’t do is refight the battles of the past two years that distract us from the hard work of moving our economy forward. What we can’t do is engage in the kinds of symbolic battles that so often consume Washington while the rest of America waits for us to solve problems,” the president said. “The tax cuts and other progress we made in December were a much-needed departure from that pattern. Let’s build on that admirable example.”
bunch of disconnected spewage…in another article he clearly stated that the tax cuts will stimulate job growth...LOL!….liberals here are not gonna like that talk because for them it’s just not true…anyway, what hard work is he referring to?…wtf does he want the public to do?…cheer up to his campaign blab?…govt gets us into these messes then can’t fix it…I hate the feds
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:23:13am |
re: #163 BongCrodny
I’ve lived every single minute of my 42 years in this state. I love it here! I don’t know anyone who has come to our state to live who outright hates it. Maine is a great place to raise children. I can’t count how many times I’ve read letters to the newspapers by out-of-staters who now live here and who can’t believe how the town they live in wraps their arms around them to help when needed. They are so thankful that they write a letter to show how much they appreciate it!
I think I know where you live. LOL I grew up on the coast of Maine near Portland and was raised by my Army Sargent father who retired from a large paper mill (Union no less!). :D
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:24:07am |
re: #164 KayInMaine
By the way, how many people working at casinos retire from there with a nice pension who aren’t part of upper management? Just curious. This is an honest question that I don’t know the answer to.
“In addition most employees receive a standard benefits package that includes medical, dental, and vision coverage, as well as a 401(k) pension plan after being employed for six months to a year.”
But, I suspect that a place like Vegas or Atlantic City, where there has been establish gambling for a long period of time, would offer more benefit opportunities than more shorter term installations …just due to the permanency and longevity of the operation.
I’ve know people in Vegas who have worked for 20-30 years for the same gaming corporations.
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:26:25am |
re: #166 KayInMaine
I’ve lived every single minute of my 42 years in this state. I love it here! I don’t know anyone who has come to our state to live who outright hates it. Maine is a great place to raise children. I can’t count how many times I’ve read letters to the newspapers by out-of-staters who now live here and who can’t believe how the town they live in wraps their arms around them to help when needed. They are so thankful that they write a letter to show how much they appreciate it!
I think I know where you live. LOL I grew up on the coast of Maine near Portland and was raised by my Army Sargent father who retired from a large paper mill (Union no less!). :D
You remember the Wicked Good Band?
They did a song about my hometown.
Wish I could remember the lyrics, but one line went “…and the air smelled like boiled cabbage…”
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:27:42am |
re: #165 albusteve
Since 2002, how many jobs have been created? 10 million? Nope. 20 million? Nope. 5 million? Nope. Less than 2 million? That’s about right! These tax cuts have been in effect for a very long time and we Americans have seen more jobs go overseas than have been created here. Sad. Funny how the Chamber of Commerce sided with the republicans, but are now coming out in support of keeping the stimulus money flowing out there for road work, because it’s creating jobs and improving our nation at the same time.
The republicans gave President Obama a week to start creating jobs after he was sworn in in 2009, so the republicans have to create 7 million jobs over the course of the next two weeks (we’ll give them one week longer to be fair!) or we’ll consider them job killers.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:31:02am |
re: #168 BongCrodny
You’re not talking about Westbrook are you? LOL! Hey, my Daddy’s paycheck came out of that smokestack. :D Yes, I remember the Wicked Good Band. Remember Tim Sample? Youtube Video
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:32:33am |
re: #167 Walter L. Newton
Most of us who will be living in the community around the Oxford Casino don’t feel that there will be many good paying full-time jobs being offered by the casino to the locals. We could be wrong! Time will tell.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:35:10am |
re: #169 KayInMaine
Since 2002, how many jobs have been created? 10 million? Nope. 20 million? Nope. 5 million? Nope. Less than 2 million? That’s about right! These tax cuts have been in effect for a very long time and we Americans have seen more jobs go overseas than have been created here. Sad. Funny how the Chamber of Commerce sided with the republicans, but are now coming out in support of keeping the stimulus money flowing out there for road work, because it’s creating jobs and improving our nation at the same time.
The republicans gave President Obama a week to start creating jobs after he was sworn in in 2009, so the republicans have to create 7 million jobs over the course of the next two weeks (we’ll give them one week longer to be fair!) or we’ll consider them job killers.
I think you missed my point
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:37:36am |
re: #170 KayInMaine
You’re not talking about Westbrook are you? LOL! Hey, my Daddy’s paycheck came out of that smokestack. :D Yes, I remember the Wicked Good Band. Remember Tim Sample?
[Video]
Nah, Westbrook had it good compared to us.
Head to Lewiston-Auburn and then drive north-northwest about an hour.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:39:14am |
re: #172 albusteve
Actually, I was using the moment to make my point. President Obama seems to believe the right wing rhetoric and it’s unfortunate to say the least. I did hear the other day that a round-table of businessmen have decided that they will increase their workforces this year, which I find so suspect. What have they been waiting for? *sigh* Maybe they’re bored of hoarding their tax cut savings? LOL
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:41:22am |
re: #173 BongCrodny
Oh okay. I’ll never forget the time I rented an apartment on the main drag in Lewiston. Woke up one morning and went out on the deck and instantly my eyes were burning, tears were running, and my throat got dry! Needless to say, I didn’t live there too long. Not sure what chemical was in the air, but it was offensive to my senses! :D
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:41:30am |
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:43:59am |
re: #171 KayInMaine
Most of us who will be living in the community around the Oxford Casino don’t feel that there will be many good paying full-time jobs being offered by the casino to the locals. We could be wrong! Time will tell.
I also doubt the jobs will be good ones, at least by what one would consider a traditional definition of “good.” Most of the jobs up at the Hollywood Slots casino in Bangor pay in the $9.00/hr. range. If the company is picking up the cost of the benefits that’s not so awful, but if you have to pitch in a chunk of your salary I think you’re getting down to subsistence level living.
Still, I’m of the opinion that even bad jobs are better than no jobs, and after having been unemployed the past eight months, the *minute* the Oxford Casino starts accepting resumes I’ll be sending in mine. :-)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:44:02am |
re: #171 KayInMaine
Most of us who will be living in the community around the Oxford Casino don’t feel that there will be many good paying full-time jobs being offered by the casino to the locals. We could be wrong! Time will tell.
Then where are they going to get their work force from? Ship them in? Here in Colorado, at the casino, the work force are Colorado people. I suspect since Colorado didn’t have a gaming industry for decades, that when we started, some outside professionals were brought in by the corporate entities, but the majority of the jobs were filled by locals.
Why would it be any different in you location. Do you really think they are going to “import” dealers and other mid-level employees, and only offer part time janitorial type jobs to the locals.
That wouldn’t make any business sense.
Normally, a whole industry will grow up around your casino industry. Casino employees, support services, schools to teach dealers, work for contractors, new outlet for food and beverage suppliers and so on.
It’s not a traveling road show… whether you like the impact a casino has on the community, one thing you can be sure of, it will create jobs and new employment opportunities.
I’ve seen it happen here in Colorado over the last 20 years.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:48:52am |
“If you widen the lens, the public is being sold a big lie — that our problems owe to unions and the size of government and not to fraud and deregulation and vast concentration of wealth. Obama’s failure is that he won’t challenge this Republican narrative, and give people a story that helps them connect the dots and understand where we’re going.”
BO just wants to be populat and have a good time, rather than dig in and provide leadership…so he waffles to the middle, looking at re-election, and looking more like Bush every day….the rag tag progs are gonna blow sooner or later
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:52:21am |
re: #177 BongCrodny
And when you do, look me up! Would love to meet ya. :D Working two part-time jobs means one will not have health care insurance and they most likely will make too much money from these jobs to qualify for Medicaid or they won’t be able to afford private insurance. It’s a vicious circle and it’s played out every day across our nation. As much as I’m against the casino, I hope the casino people are correct when they say it will be the best thing to happen to the Oxford area. Time will tell. I wonder if the value of my house will go down when the casino is finished? Anyone know?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:54:40am |
re: #179 albusteve
I can’t argue with you there! He makes me proud one day and then I’m cringing the next. He’s too middle of the road for me and like I’ve always said the middle of the road is the most dangerous place to be standing. He does need to be more aggressive in some areas. Thankfully the Senate is where the madness will go to die a slow death. :D (sorry! Just habit!)
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 7:59:20am |
re: #178 Walter L. Newton
Trust me….you don’t want Ma & Pa Kettle from Oxford running the craps tables. :D The casino developers are telling us they will hire the best and the brightest from the local community. I don’t think they will. Why spend the money training a local when they can bring in highly qualified dealers from another state? But hey, maybe they will spend the money. Again, the casino hasn’t been built yet and at first everyone thought it would take 4-5 years for all the permits to go through before it would be up and running, but now that a casino developer will be in charge of the MDEP, I suspect it will be much sooner than that. We really don’t know what is going to happen, but one thing is for sure, stuff that was promised in the beginning almost never comes to fruition! Lots of things are said and promised to get a casino in.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:02:08am |
some ultra cool pics from outer space…check out Peking
dailymail.co.uk
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:02:38am |
re: #183 albusteve
some ultra cool pics from outer space…check out Peking
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
I thought Peking was on earth?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:02:53am |
The Oxford Casino is going to be built miles from the hubbub of neighboring towns. Will patrons of the casino travel past the casino to spend their money if they have any left? I talked with one Oxford County Commissioner on election night this year proposing to him in bringing a high speed rail to entice people (a cheaper alternative would be buses) to go downtown. He liked it and went even further with the idea of having one from Portland to the Oxford area. I liked that idea too!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:04:22am |
re: #155 KayInMaine
I never said an hour north of the New Hampshire border.
Your reference point was (from #138) was “It’s going to be an hour north of Portland near the New Hampshire border.”
Yes, Oxford is near the NH border, due straight east of it from the North Conway area on NH. But again, your reference point was Portland
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:04:46am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:06:13am |
re: #158 BongCrodny
According to the Sperling’s Best Places website, the cost of living in Portland is about 17% higher than the rest of the country.
Chebeague Island is 32% higher than the rest of the country.
Thats due to real estate costs around the Portland waterfront and on an island itself
Compare the “cost of living” for Chebeague against other comparable sized islands
(say a Marthas Vineyard!)
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:09:37am |
re: #37 Walter L. Newton
So, I’m not sure what you base your statement above on, but at least in the Denver, I have not found that to be true in any way. The companies are more interested in someone who will work 70 hours a week, for half of what the work is really worth, as long as you promise not to die in your cube.
And here, in my opinion, is the central cause of the North American Conundrum.
People are no longer human beings. They are human resources. Created in nine months by unskilled labor, designed and built to serve a function in the economy, disposed of when obsolete or worn out. Our purpose is as producing/consuming economic entities and no more.
And we bash the Marxists for being economically deterministic.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:13:18am |
re: #186 sattv4u2
Draw a line from Portland to Oxford. Is it north, south, east, or west of Portland? It’s north. Oxford is 40 minutes from Gorham, New Hampshire and where I live it is 30 minutes from there. You can argue with me all you want, but why?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:15:09am |
Here’s a map that includes Portland and Oxford. You might have to scroll to make the map smaller so you can see the two towns and how they’re situated:
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:15:18am |
re: #189 Romantic Heretic
And here, in my opinion, is the central cause of the North American Conundrum.
People are no longer human beings. They are human resources. Created in nine months by unskilled labor, designed and built to serve a function in the economy, disposed of when obsolete or worn out. Our purpose is as producing/consuming economic entities and no more.
And we bash the Marxists for being economically deterministic.
I guess this is the opposite of the Western Europe Conundrum where even if you are totally a worthless employee, you’re guaranteed employment for life… Oh wait… we have the same thing here… it’s called union workers.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:17:17am |
re: #190 KayInMaine
Draw a line from Portland to Oxford. Is it north, south, east, or west of Portland? It’s north. Oxford is 40 minutes from Gorham, New Hampshire and where I live it is 30 minutes from there. You can argue with me all you want, but why?
I’m not arguing
YOU never stated Oxford
YOU did state Portland and the NH border as a reference
YOU also stated an “hour north of Portland”
NH border to Portland =’s 1 hour
1 hour “north of that” =’s 2 hours north of (that part) of the NH border
IF you had stated Oxford I would not have exptrapolated the abve
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:18:14am |
re: #190 KayInMaine
Draw a line from Portland to Oxford. Is it north, south, east, or west of Portland? It’s north. Oxford is 40 minutes from Gorham, New Hampshire and where I live it is 30 minutes from there. You can argue with me all you want, but why?
It;s actually North by NoryhWest
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:19:06am |
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:19:32am |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
I guess this is the opposite of the Western Europe Conundrum where even if you are totally a worthless employee, you’re guaranteed employment for life… Oh wait… we have the same thing here… it’s called union workers.
I think the financial industry has them beat now.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:21:56am |
re: #119 KayInMaine
Just like all states in the Union, all religions are represented in our state. I find it very offensive that the republican controlled House passed out the Christian bible! I would have been fine if the bozos had passed out the pocket Constitution for them to read! :D
If it’s the Christian Bible that so offends, if I felt as strongly about it as you do, I’d go buy a bunch of copies of (book of whichever faith floats your boat) and pass those out, as well.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:23:35am |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
I’d just prefer if those legislators read the bits in the Bible about being charitable, and kind to the weak and the oppressed.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:24:24am |
House Republicans have President Obama’s “czars” in their crosshairs once again, introducing a bill this week that would effectively shut down their offices.
The bill, authored by Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., is a revamped version of a proposal that went nowhere in the last Congress. But with Republicans in charge of the House this year and a particularly combative Republican in charge of the committee that will be considering the measure, the proposal might have a fighting chance this time around.
“We’re hopeful for this one,” Scalise spokesman Stephen Bell told FoxNews.com.
hit the ground running, cutting directly to the important stuff
Read more: foxnews.com
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:26:03am |
re: #198 Obdicut
I’d just prefer if those legislators read the bits in the Bible about being charitable, and kind to the weak and the oppressed.
And here I thought it was a legislators job to follow and abide by the laws of the land (fed,, state,, etc)
I didn’t know giving gov’t assistance to illegals was part of that pledge
NOW ,, what/ how they do with their own time and money as far as being “charitable”, hell, I’m ALL for that!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:27:04am |
re: #198 Obdicut
I’d just prefer if those legislators read the bits in the Bible about being charitable, and kind to the weak and the oppressed.
yeah, like a middle school project…fuck the childish grandstanding and govern
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:28:39am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
And here I thought it was a legislators job to follow and abide by the laws of the land (fed,, state,, etc)
I didn’t know giving gov’t assistance to illegals was part of that pledge
NOW ,, what/ how they do with their own time and money as far as being “charitable”, hell, I’m ALL for that!
This is the most convoluted post I’ve read in a while. The job of a legislator is to simply follow the law? I thought they we were there to represent the will of their constituents when passing, repealing or modifying laws! Who knew?
Rabble Rabble Rabble…
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:29:24am |
re: #198 Obdicut
I’d just prefer if those legislators read the bits in the Bible about being charitable, and kind to the weak and the oppressed.
Anyone who wants can pass out whatever literature they wish to legislative offices.
There are no restrictions on it. I think it’s silly to pass out Bibles the way they did, but it’s not illegal, as far as I know. I also think it’s silly to be so upset about it. If they’re Christian, they already have a Bible, it’s not like this is anything new to them. These are going into a drawer somewhere and nobody will look at them. And Kay seemed very specific that it was the Christian Bible that offended. Again, if they’re Christian they already have a copy of the Bible, it’s nothing new to them. Is Kay just generally offended that Christians are serving in the legislature?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:29:41am |
re: #202 McSpiff
This is the most convoluted post I’ve read in a while. The job of a legislator is to simply follow the law? I thought they we were there to represent the will of their constituents when passing, repealing or modifying laws! Who knew?
Rabble Rabble Rabble…
waytomissthepoint
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:30:20am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:30:32am |
Interesting stuff in the pages this morning. Looks like Israel-gaza might be heating up again.
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:30:41am |
re: #203 reine.de.tout
Is there such thing as a non-Christian bible?
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:31:55am |
re: #207 McSpiff
Is there such thing as a non-Christian bible?
Hebrew Bible, which is Old Testament, I believe.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:32:13am |
re: #205 McSpiff
Explain your point
KAY was bemoaning how the Maine leg wants to make sure people receiving state assistance are (shudder) CITIZENS!!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:32:45am |
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:04am |
re: #208 reine.de.tout
Hebrew Bible, which is Old Testament, I believe.
But is it actually referred to by Jewish people as the Hebrew Bible? I’m familiar with various holy books, but to the best of my knowledge only Christians call theirs the bible.
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lawhawk Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:08am |
re: #206 Killgore Trout
It’s been simmering for a good long time now.. a couple of incidents a week, and it began just before the anniversary of Cast Lead. What’s interesting is that you not only had Gazan terrorists firing mortars into Israel, but you had incidents in the West Bank as well - and it will be interesting to see which terror group claims responsibility for the West Bank incident with the pipe bombs.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:13am |
From Portland, you have to travel NORTH to get to Oxford and if you want to go to New Hampshire you have to travel WEST! re: #194 sattv4u2
And it’s only 30 minutes off center! If you live in New Hampshire, you will travel West to get to the Oxford casino. If you live in Portland, you will travel NORTH on Route 26 whether you get off Exit 63 in Gray, Maine to get on Route 26 or not. If you read my comments above, I said:
If you think about it…the large cruise ships that come to Portland to spend their money every year would have a casino to spend it there too! The casino will not be on an island, of course. It’s going to be an hour north of Portland near the New Hampshire border.
I then said a few comments later that the casino will be in Oxford Maine. Oxford is 2 towns south of where I live and to travel to Portland from this area you have to travel SOUTH to get there and NORTH to get back home. If you live in Oxford, New Hampshire isn’t too far away. You have to travel WEST (or Northwest/Southwest depending on where you want to go in NH) to get there.
Not sure why you all are stuck on this point!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:15am |
re: #207 McSpiff
Is there such thing as a non-Christian bible?
The Satanic Bible was written by Anton LaVey in 1969.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:42am |
re: #203 reine.de.tout
I’m not upset about it.
Is Kay just generally offended that Christians are serving in the legislature?
That is a huge, huge leap. Where are you getting that from?
I think it’s somewhat mildly crass to pass out religious literature in what is supposed to be a secular body. I don’t want to outlaw the practice, but I do feel that a legislative body passing out one religious work is an endorsement of that religious work above others. If Kay goes there and passes out whatever religious literature she wants to, it does not have the same effect as the legislature itself passing out that religious literature.
As you say, if they’re Christian, they already have the bible. So what is the point of passing it out?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:55am |
re: #207 McSpiff
re: #209 sattv4u2
KAY was bemoaning how the Maine leg wants to make sure people receiving state assistance are (shudder) CITIZENS!!
From #110
Maine! Gov. LePage has stated he will put people before politics, but has signed an EO demanding all people who want welfare money to keep themselves alive during the cold winters here…they must provide proof of citizenship
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:33:56am |
re: #210 reine.de.tout
Oh cool, learn something new today.
re: #214 Walter L. Newton
The Satanic Bible was written by Anton LaVey in 1969.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
D’oh, obvious one.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:34:21am |
re: #211 McSpiff
But is it actually referred to by Jewish people as the Hebrew Bible? I’m familiar with various holy books, but to the best of my knowledge only Christians call theirs the bible.
Hebrew Bible is a term that refers to the common/shared portions of the Tanakh (Jewish canon) and the Christian biblical canons. In its Latin form, Biblia Hebraica, it traditionally serves as a title for printed editions of the Masoretic Text.
Many scholars advocate use of the term Hebrew Bible when discussing these books in academic writing, as a neutral substitute to terms with religious connotations (e.g., the non-neutral term “old testament”).[1] The Society of Biblical Literature’s Handbook of Style, which is the standard for major academic journals like Harvard Theological Review and conservative Protestant journals like Bibliotheca Sacra and Westminster Theological Journal, suggests that authors “be aware of the connotations of alternative expressions such as … Hebrew Bible [and] Old Testament” without prescribing the use of either.[2]
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:35:53am |
re: #216 sattv4u2
re: #209 sattv4u2
From #110
Maine! Gov. LePage has stated he will put people before politics, but has signed an EO demanding all people who want welfare money to keep themselves alive during the cold winters here…they must provide proof of citizenship
I’m not opposed to some social support for immigrants, i.e heating rebates… so that’s probably something I’d fight against as well.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:35:58am |
re: #215 Obdicut
I’m not upset about it.
That is a huge, huge leap. Where are you getting that from?
I think it’s somewhat mildly crass to pass out religious literature in what is supposed to be a secular body. I don’t want to outlaw the practice, but I do feel that a legislative body passing out one religious work is an endorsement of that religious work above others. If Kay goes there and passes out whatever religious literature she wants to, it does not have the same effect as the legislature itself passing out that religious literature.
As you say, if they’re Christian, they already have the bible. So what is the point of passing it out?
I don’t know.
I said I thought it was silly, for just that reason.
I wouldn’t have made such a leap if Kay had made the point that passing out religious or religious-themed materials in general is not a good idea. And I think it is NOT a good idea.
That’s not the point she made.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:36:47am |
re: #206 Killgore Trout
Interesting stuff in the pages this morning. Looks like Israel-gaza might be heating up again.
yeah, but I’d prefer they spend their energy in southern Lebenon….Gaza is a dead end unless the IDF wants to occupy it, which they should have done last time around
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:37:00am |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
I guess this is the opposite of the Western Europe Conundrum where even if you are totally a worthless employee, you’re guaranteed employment for life… Oh wait… we have the same thing here… it’s called union workers.
Government unions, that’s the case. In the private sector you can still get fired if you screw up badly enough.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:37:09am |
re: #195 sattv4u2
LOL And can you tell us all where Pueblo, Colorado is in conjunction with it? Thanks! You are a master! Yep, if you live in Lewiston, you will travel in a northeasterly direction to get to the casino in Oxford! From Portland, you will travel NORTH on ROUTE 26, unless you want to travel through New Hampshire first, but some would think you’re insane if time is of the essence!
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:39:08am |
re: #209 sattv4u2
And I also said LeTeaBag is going to be shocked to find out almost all immigrants in our state who are getting welfare are documented! You missed that point apparently, but go ahead and shoot me down to make the hair on your chest darker, more plenty and sharp enough to shred cheese! *rolling eyes*
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:39:38am |
re: #220 reine.de.tout
That’s not the point she made.
But it wasn’t religious-themed materials in general that was passed out. It was the Christian bible in particular.
Leaping from that to asking if Kay is opposed to Christians serving in the legislature is a ginormous stretch.
If someone says “I don’t think that kids should be forced to recite the Lord’s Prayer in public school”, I assume this is because they are against prayer of any sort in school, not particularly the Lord’s Prayer, and not particularly Christian prayers.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:40:07am |
re: #220 reine.de.tout
I don’t know.
I said I thought it was silly, for just that reason.I wouldn’t have made such a leap if Kay had made the point that passing out religious or religious-themed materials in general is not a good idea. And I think it is NOT a good idea.
That’s not the point she made.
And to clarify, in case it isn’t clear:
I think it’s a terrible idea for lawmakers to pass out any religious texts while at the Capitol to engage in their lawmaking duties. But it’s not illegal, as far as I know. A bad idea, but not illegal, and in this case, a silly thing to do because those who are Christian will already have their own family Bibles and won’t need these, they’ll go into a drawer somewhere and collect dust. A waste of paper, time and effort. Worth noting that it happened; not worth being offended by it.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:40:42am |
re: #226 Obdicut
But it wasn’t religious-themed materials in general that was passed out. It was the Christian bible in particular.
Leaping from that to asking if Kay is opposed to Christians serving in the legislature is a ginormous stretch.
If someone says “I don’t think that kids should be forced to recite the Lord’s Prayer in public school”, I assume this is because they are against prayer of any sort in school, not particularly the Lord’s Prayer, and not particularly Christian prayers.
OK, well, that’s you.
I’m not you.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:41:16am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:41:46am |
re: #224 KayInMaine
And I also said LeTeaBag is going to be shocked to find out almost all immigrants in our state who are getting welfare are documented! You missed that point apparently, but go ahead and shoot me down to make the hair on your chest darker, more plenty and sharp enough to shred cheese! *rolling eyes*
Then no harm, no foul
So what if they find a handful (or more) that are NOT documented?
You need an ID to drive,, to make a credit card purchase,, to conduct a banking transaction.
Then why not to get gov’t services?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:42:05am |
re: #224 KayInMaine
And I also said LeTeaBag is going to be shocked to find out almost all immigrants in our state who are getting welfare are documented! You missed that point apparently, but go ahead and shoot me down to make the hair on your chest darker, more plenty and sharp enough to shred cheese! *rolling eyes*
of course they are…undocumented illegal immigrants are the people that have issues
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:43:58am |
re: #223 KayInMaine
LOL And can you tell us all where Pueblo, Colorado is in conjunction with it? Thanks! You are a master! Yep, if you live in Lewiston, you will travel in a northeasterly direction to get to the casino in Oxford! From Portland, you will travel NORTH on ROUTE 26, unless you want to travel through New Hampshire first, but some would think you’re insane if time is of the essence!
We have three casino towns in Colorado, Central City, Black Hawk and Cripple Creek. Central City and Black Hawk are only a mile apart from each other and about 40 miles west of Denver. Cripple Creek is about 50 miles west of Colorado Springs. All of these are mountain towns.
Most residents and casino worker living in any of the major cities up and down the Front Range, have bus access to the casinos if they need it. We have a number of private bus companies that run shuttle almost every 45 minutes, twelve or more hours a day, back and forth from numerous locations in the cities. If you live between Douglas County south of Denver up to Boulder Country north of Denver, you have bus access to Central City and Black Hawk. If you live in Colorado Springs south to Trinidad, you have bus access to Cripple Creek.
That’s about 175 miles of front range locations that have easy access to the casinos, both visitors and employees.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:44:15am |
re: #226 Obdicut
What if Maine had elected a Muslim for our governor and his or her House & Senate members decided to pass out the Quran to the legislators? That is my point, of course. Passing out the New Testament is insinuating that this religion is above all others and it makes me cringe. Personally, I don’t think any religious book should be passed out at all. :D
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:46:28am |
re: #233 KayInMaine
What if Maine had elected a Muslim for our governor and his or her House & Senate members decided to pass out the Quran to the legislators? That is my point, of course. Passing out the New Testament is insinuating that this religion is above all others and it makes me cringe. Personally, I don’t think any religious book should be passed out at all. :D
My response is the same.
It’s a silly thing to do, and inappropriate, IMO, to pass out any religious texts in this context.
But not worth being offended by it.
Would you have posted of your being offended if it happened to have been the Quran?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:47:24am |
Of all the claims deployed in favor of ObamaCare, and there are many, the most preposterous is that a new open-ended entitlement will somehow reduce the budget deficit. Insure 32 million more people, and save money too! The even more remarkable spectacle is that Washington seems to be taking this claim seriously in advance of the House’s repeal vote next week. Some things in politics you just can’t make up.
this mess of a bill is never going to get straightened out…the Pelosi/Reid landmark legislation is gonna be under fire all the way down the line…if and when the planets align favoring the GOP, this thing is sunk….I’d bet my next box of Oreos BO never even read it himself….what a zany bunch in DC
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:47:43am |
re: #230 sattv4u2
While at the same time, if I came upon someone starving and I said, “Sorry! Can’t help you because you’re not part of my family’s bloodline!”, what kind of person would that make me be? I’m not religious at all (proudly Atheist), but I find it so disgusting that those who say they’re religious and honor the teachings of Jesus feel the need to allow someone to starve or go without shelter just because they’re not one of us or of the same. Not sure of the name of the part of Judaism that says it, but there’s the idea that the life you live today and how you are will be what your heaven will be for you. If you’re denying the care of others, that will be your fate as well. Again, not sure the name but it’s a great way to live one’s life!
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:48:13am |
re: #233 KayInMaine
Reine is specifically asking you this question:
Is Kay just generally offended that Christians are serving in the legislature?
I realize it’s kind of out of the blue, but you might put her mind at ease by answering it.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:48:25am |
re: #223 KayInMaine
If you are so worried about the casinos impact or lack of impact on local employment and community benefits , then maybe you gaming commission needs to study the Colorado model…
“The casino gaming industry provides over 9,000 jobs to Colorado citizens, and annual employment surveys continue to reflect that the casino industry consistently pays higher wages than similar jobs in the metro-Denver or Colorado Springs areas. In addition to above-average wages, casino employees receive rich fringe benefits in the areas of tuition reimbursement, transportation and meals, retirement and pension plans, health and life insurance, and exceptional promotional opportunities.”
Be my guest… pass on this URL…
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:48:48am |
July 2009 - CAIR launches nationwide campaign to distribute Qurans to political officials and leaders
I’m not a bit offended by that.
Is Kay as offended by this as she is the passing out of the Christian Bible?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:49:26am |
re: #234 reine.de.tout
Yes I would have. I truly support the separation of church and state and I don’t even like it when a prayer is said on the floor of any legislative body in this country! Can I stop it from happening? Obviously not. Did anyone die as a result of the New Testament being passed out to those legislators in Maine? Nope, but some of us feel this is a foreshadow of things to come. Not a good way to start. That’s all. :D
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:51:05am |
re: #237 Obdicut
My mind is fine. If I felt that person deserved a response I would have given it to him or her. :D
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:51:11am |
re: #240 KayInMaine
Pockets of resistance still existed. Such as this one, an old fashioned revival tent, complete with a cross and little American flag topping the center support pole. The flag drooped lazily in the dead still air. The tent was set up right in the middle of Lamar street in downtown Dallas, tent stakes driven into the sweating asphalt. A preacher was nailing a sign over the tent’s front entrance…
“Revival meeting tonight – 8:00 pm – All come. This may be your last chance to be saved.”
It almost looked festive, reminiscent of a circus tent, waiting for giggling children and haggard parents out for a days adventure. But no parade had announced the coming of this show. It was just another group of Fundy’s determined to carry out the will of god.
A Council Cleaning Crew waited at the west end of the street, a few blocks away from the tent. Three personal carriers, two tanks and a media van. It was 6:00pm and the hot August sun was hovering a few degrees above Interstate 35. The CCC had orders to wait until the meeting had started. On the nightly news, a tent full of Fundy’s looks better than a half empty one in the videos, and Ronnie Mars, standing at his camera on top of the van was ready to film the whole operation.
Ronnie grew up with the backlash against religious tyranny. He was in grammar school when The Council was installed along with the Senate and the House in Washington. During his high school years, he saw the conquest of churches and other hot beds of subversive activity and it was while he was in college, when the final laws relevant to religious worship were installed, that he made his decision to go to work for The Council. He was accepted as an intern in the Council’s Media Relations Department and advanced his way to a position as a Subversive Activity Documenter. This was his first professional assignment.
The wait was unbearable. He was both excited and apprehensive. “This was the right thing to do” he thought. He was born and raised in Dallas, one of the most popular students on the campus of Southern University, a home town favorite, but he didn’t want to be recognized by anyone he knew, not here, not tonight, not for his first operation. That would unnerve him.
The final remnants of the rush hour traffic slipped out of downtown Dallas by 7:00pm. The few spectators who had watched the tent raising had quickly vanished, well aware of what was going to happen next. The minister and his small staff were inside the tent making their final preparations for the meeting. A tape player, somewhere inside the tent, produced the muffled strains of some long forgotten gospel song.
The first worshipper arrive at 7:45pm. She parked her old Chevy on the east side of Lamar street, across from the tent’s main entrance. She opened her car door and two metal poles touched the pavement before she swung her helpless atrophied legs between the crutches. With great effort, she raised herself off of the car seat, closed the car door, looked both ways for oncoming traffic and hobbled across the street toward the tent. She saw the personal carriers and Ronnie saw her.
The preacher had heard the car pull up and he appeared at the door of the tent and greeted her, a bible in his right hand, and he used his free hand to steady her. A quick hug from the preacher and she continued into the tent. The preacher stayed outside, waiting to greet the other arriving sheep. Twenty more people arrived, mostly female, mostly old and mostly handicapped.
“A chance for big miracles tonight” the preacher mused. “A lot of good footage tonight” Ronnie imagined. And as a coda to his though, he added “…and a lot of shit to clean up too.”
(cont.)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:51:21am |
The CCC started to move down Lamar street toward the tent at 8:20pm. “We Have A Friend In Jesus” echoed out from the tent, supplying a sort of strange movie music background for the advancing tanks and personal carriers. Ronnie check the settings on his camera, making sure he had enough battery power to get the whole operation in one take. For his first CCC shoot, he didn’t want to have to go back and set up insert shots. It wasted time and money, and always looked contrived. He wanted to get the footage cold and hard.
The vehicles stopped 20 feet short of the tent’s entrance and thirty armed crew members jumped out of the personal carriers and stood waiting, weapons ready. The singing inside continued as the preacher came out and faced the Council Cleaning Crew. Ronnie started filming. Still holding the bible, he thrust up his right hand into the air in a silly-assed school crossing pose shouting in his best preacher voice… “May the hand of god be against you.”
A crew member pulled off a few rounds, popping off three fingers of the preachers right hand, causing him to drop the bible. Ronnie was pulling a close up on the preachers hand and then he panned the camera down to the book on the pavement, smeared blood obscuring the words “The Bible.”
The preacher reeled back, put his left hand into the pocket of his frock, and pulled out a small pistol. He fired into the clutch of crew members.
“Fuck… he’s left handed” Ronnie steamed and quickly pulled the camera off the bible shot and adjusted for a wide shot of the gun-toting preacher. One of the crew members got off six shots which parted the preachers head cleanly in half. Ronnie beamed, this couldn’t have been any better footage if it had been rehearsed.
A group of ten crew members entered the tent, sending a steady stream of bullets into the scattering worshipers. Ronnie order the van driver to follow right behind the crew, filming over their heads and getting a point of view shot of the chaos inside the tent. On his headphones, Ronnie could monitor the sounds of the screams and clanging of crutches and metal walkers. Someone tried to slip out under the back of the tent but the remainder of the crew has positioned themselves at various points around the tent, making it impossible for anyone to flee.
Around midnight, a dump truck rolled up to the now silent tent. By 2:00am, all signs of the tent and it’s occupants had disappeared. Ronnie and his media van had stayed to document the clean up, but he had already uploaded the earlier exciting footage of the action on the rebellious Fundy’s. And by noon the next day, the sweating asphalt sealed up the places where the tent stakes had been set in. It was a normal lunch hour in Dallas.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:51:54am |
re: #236 KayInMaine
if I came upon someone starving and I said, “Sorry! Can’t help you because you’re not part of my family’s bloodline!”
You do realize that there is a difference between someone VOLUNTEERING to give to a charitable cause as opposed to being mandated to take care of CITIZENS of the “state”, right?
I can help anyone thats “starving”, be they my bloodline or not
What I can’t do is force YOU to do the same thing!
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:52:16am |
re: #239 reine.de.tout
Yep! I find it disgusting, but will I point out the hypocrisy of the Christians who will be against this! Yep you betcha. :D
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:53:24am |
Religion should not be a part of politics.
Unfortunately, it is.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:54:33am |
re: #240 KayInMaine
Yes I would have. I truly support the separation of church and state and I don’t even like it when a prayer is said on the floor of any legislative body in this country! Can I stop it from happening? Obviously not. Did anyone die as a result of the New Testament being passed out to those legislators in Maine? Nope, but some of us feel this is a foreshadow of things to come. Not a good way to start. That’s all. :D
So, are you claiming that we are going down the road as seen in Pakistan with Blasphemy laws and killings related to offending Jesus to Christan’s?
wow.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:54:33am |
re: #242 KayInMaine
My mind is fine. If I felt that person deserved a response I would have given it to him or her. :D
I’m a her.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:55:54am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:56:10am |
re: #244 Walter L. Newton
Good stuff, Walter. Is it original?
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:56:30am |
re: #250 sattv4u2
The lack of an Adams apple was the dead giveaway to me!
I always think the “reine” is a dead give-away.
But - well - I wasn’t “deserving” of a response, so what the heck.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:56:39am |
re: #248 Ericus58
So, are you claiming that we are going down the road as seen in Pakistan with Blasphemy laws and killings related to offending Jesus to Christan’s?
wow.
This morning is Gigantic Leap of Logic morning, I guess.
How about that we’re going down the road where the bible is seen as someone to base legislation from, since we’re already down that road?
And you can use Ireland as well as Pakistan as an example of a country with blasphemy laws.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:57:22am |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
Wonderful. Is there any other way to make money in America or will our nation become a casino nation where the rest of the world comes here to spend the money they made from our companies overseas? Yes, I hope those who own the casinos make tons of money and that everyone lives happily ever after! I love the idea.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:57:25am |
re: #247 Varek Raith
Religion should not be a part of politics.
Unfortunately, it is.
There’s no way the two things can be divorced. Religion informs people’s morality, and their morality is a part of what they think the law should do.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:57:49am |
re: #252 reine.de.tout
I always think the “reine” is a dead give-away.
But - well - I wasn’t “deserving” of a response, so what the heck.
Are you going to get any wintry weather out of this next storm?
I hear parts of the south are in for a bad ice storm.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:57:55am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
Good stuff, Walter. Is it original?
Can’t you tell… check some of my crappy English usage? Yes, it’s from a novel I’m working on right now. Thought it was appropriate to the conversation at hand. Also, I’m a blatant self-serving promoter. DOn’t you love me?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:58:00am |
re: #252 reine.de.tout
I always think the “reine” is a dead give-away.
But - well - I wasn’t “deserving” of a response, so what the heck.
damn ,, now I don’t know whether or not to respond!
SHIT ,, I just did !!
You tricked me!
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:58:02am |
re: #252 reine.de.tout
For some reason some people think I am a male. They are wrong I am a female.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:58:26am |
re: #249 reine.de.tout
Oh. I thought you were asking sattv4u2 to put my mind at ease by answering his or her own question that he or she asked me. Sorry! Completely missed your point!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:58:43am |
re: #254 KayInMaine
Wonderful. Is there any other way to make money in America or will our nation become a casino nation where the rest of the world comes here to spend the money they made from our companies overseas? Yes, I hope those who own the casinos make tons of money and that everyone lives happily ever after! I love the idea.
Funny… you keep moving your rhetorical target. You’re wasting my time.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:58:52am |
Obama strongly backs US trials for terror suspects
“The prosecution of terrorists in federal court is a powerful tool in our efforts to protect the nation and must be among the options available to us,” the president said. “Any attempt to deprive the executive branch of that tool undermines our nation’s counterterrorism efforts and has the potential to harm our national security.”
yeah sure…go get em BO, what are you waiting for?…why so insecure and unsure of yourself?….drop the blabola and explain your Gitmo/KSM Twofer to the American people…wimp
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 8:59:06am |
re: #253 Obdicut
This morning is Gigantic Leap of Logic morning, I guess.
How about that we’re going down the road where the bible is seen as someone to base legislation from, since we’re already down that road?
And you can use Ireland as well as Pakistan as an example of a country with blasphemy laws.
Now you see, I think taking the passing out of Bibles, as silly an idea as it was, and making the leap that it will be used as the basis for legislation, as HUGE a leap as anything else.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:00:35am |
re: #253 Obdicut
This morning is Gigantic Leap of Logic morning, I guess.
How about that we’re going down the road where the bible is seen as someone to base legislation from, since we’re already down that road?
And you can use Ireland as well as Pakistan as an example of a country with blasphemy laws.
I’m wondering why you are taking the defense of Kay so vigorously.
Feel free to add Ireland, I have contempt for their abortion stance against women also.
Kay made a specific reference to Christan’s fomenting hate to the point of violence against un-believers. I found it one-sided in targeting only one faith when there’s more than several with issue’s.
You know, Kay being an Atheist and all….
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:00:58am |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Can’t you tell… check some of my crappy English usage? Yes, it’s from a novel I’m working on right now. Thought it was appropriate to the conversation at hand. Also, I’m a blatant self-serving promoter. DOn’t you love me?
no, but your girlfriend is pretty special
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:01:24am |
re: #261 Walter L. Newton
Well, you keep discounting what I’m saying. Isn’t that the same thing as you’re accusing me of? I think it’s wonderful that 9,000 jobs were created as a result of ANY casino. Do I still support a casino coming to my area of Maine? Nope! I don’t have to. You all can and you do. That’s fine. I’m not arguing that point, but you all believe that I should submit to your thinking.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:01:25am |
re: #256 Varek Raith
Are you going to get any wintry weather out of this next storm?
I hear parts of the south are in for a bad ice storm.
The “dividing line” in the current prediction between the ice and the merely cold rain seems to be right above where Baton Rouge is located. So it actually could go either way for us, less likely that we’ll have anything more than a messy cold rain, but we ALWAYS cross our fingers for a bit of sneaux!
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:01:27am |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
Now you see, I think taking the passing out of Bibles, as silly an idea as it was, and making the leap that it will be used as the basis for legislation, as HUGE a leap as anything else.
No, it’s not a huge leap. We have passed laws frequently in this country using the Bible (or rather, their own faith’s interpretation of that Bible) as the basis of legislation, and we have many, many legislators who explicitly say that the bible informs their legislative agenda. This really happens.
And I think it sucks as much for Christians, if not more, as for anyone else.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:02:32am |
I’m going to post the latest ad from the National Republican Trust (which is not actually part of the Republican Party). This latest ad is against raising the Debt Ceiling. We’ve discussed the matter here and we all know why voting not to raise the ceiling is a Bad Idea. But that’s just what Scott Wheeler and his merry bad want to do. Keep a special eye out at the 0:20 mark for footage of a poor, black crack addict that has no place in the ad. It seems like a racial dog whistle to me, but I want to know what the group thinks:
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:02:35am |
re: #264 KayInMaine
Nope. You are.
My point exactly. That’s why I posted that excerpt in #243, #244. My scenario is no more fanatical than Kay’s statement ” Nope, but some of us feel this is a foreshadow of things to come. Not a good way to start. That’s all.”
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:03:08am |
re: #268 reine.de.tout
The “dividing line” in the current prediction between the ice and the merely cold rain seems to be right above where Baton Rouge is located. So it actually could go either way for us, less likely that we’ll have anything more than a messy cold rain, but we ALWAYS cross our fingers for a bit of sneaux!
We got a quarter of an inch of snow this morning. Heard nothing but sirens and screeching tires.
Ah, people driving in snow.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:03:43am |
re: #265 Ericus58
One thing I didn’t mention is the person who said the prayer on the floor of the Maine House after the New Testament was passed out to those who wanted it was a minister who was part of the YES ON 1 campaign, which was against same-sex marriage and for repealing the law Governor Baldacci put in place. *sigh* Hopefully passing out the bible won’t effect the legislating of our state, but it was not a good foot to start the next 4 years on!
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:05:06am |
re: #265 Ericus58
I’m wondering why you are taking the defense of Kay so vigorously.
Because I feel that she’s been unfairly attacked for expressing a completely correct antipathy for the distribution of religious materials by a legislature.
In return, she has been asked if she objects to Christians serving in that legislature, and questioned closely about whether she’s particularly antagonistic towards Christians— on the basis of nothing substantial at all.
Feel free to add Ireland, I have contempt for their abortion stance against women also.
Kay made a specific reference to Christan’s fomenting hate to the point of violence against un-believers. I found it one-sided in targeting only one faith when there’s more than several with issue’s.
I guess you haven’t bothered to read all her replies, then? Like the one where she called CAIR’s distribution of the Koran disgusting?
Can you cite the specific reference of this fomenting of hate? I can’t find it.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:05:20am |
re: #269 Obdicut
No, it’s not a huge leap. We have passed laws frequently in this country using the Bible (or rather, their own faith’s interpretation of that Bible) as the basis of legislation, and we have many, many legislators who explicitly say that the bible informs their legislative agenda. This really happens.
And I think it sucks as much for Christians, if not more, as for anyone else.
For any person of any faith, their religious texts will form the basis of their moral philosophy. I don’t know how you tell people to completely dismiss that. The solution is to vote ‘em out, and vote only for those who do not subscribe to any faith, or whose faith is one you approve. There’s just no way around it.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:06:43am |
re: #265 Ericus58
I’m wondering why you are taking the defense of Kay so vigorously.
Feel free to add Ireland, I have contempt for their abortion stance against women also.
Kay made a specific reference to Christan’s fomenting hate to the point of violence against un-believers. I found it one-sided in targeting only one faith when there’s more than several with issue’s.You know, Kay being an Atheist and all…
Exactly my point, as well.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:07:38am |
re: #265 Ericus58
Even though I’m an Atheist it doesn’t mean there are no people in my life who aren’t religious. Trust me…I am a rarity in my circle! I respect them all, but I think our legislature went beyond what they’re job is. No harm was done in passing out the bibles, but I think to our citizens who are Muslim or what have you, they’re uneasy about it and I don’t blame them.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:07:43am |
re: #272 Varek Raith
We got a quarter of an inch of snow this morning. Heard nothing but sirens and screeching tires.
Ah, people driving in snow.
Oh, hell.
When it sneauxs here, we don’t drive in it.
Everything shuts down until that 2 inches of sneaux has melted away.
LOL.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:08:05am |
re: #265 Ericus58
You know, Kay being an Atheist and all…
Eh?
If you’d like I could blaspheme against every religion I can find via google.
That make you feel better?
:P
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:08:42am |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Can’t you tell… check some of my crappy English usage? Yes, it’s from a novel I’m working on right now. Thought it was appropriate to the conversation at hand. Also, I’m a blatant self-serving promoter. DOn’t you love me?
I thought it was, but I had it make sure. As for your self-promotion, its actually an endearing quality. It’s evidence of your commitment to succeed.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:09:11am |
re: #278 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell.
When it sneauxs here, we don’t drive in it.Everything shuts down until that 2 inches of sneaux has melted away.
LOL.
Around DC we drive in it like it’s dry pavement.
Snow?
What snow? Full speed ahead!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:10:21am |
re: #277 KayInMaine
Even though I’m an Atheist it doesn’t mean there are no people in my life who aren’t religious. Trust me…I am a rarity in my circle! I respect them all, but I think our legislature went beyond what they’re job is. No harm was done in passing out the bibles, but I think to our citizens who are Muslim or what have you, they’re uneasy about it and I don’t blame them.
Yes, the legislature very well may have gone beyond what their job is.
What’s not clear to me is who purchased the Bibles - was it the Christian equivalent of a group like CAIR, who purchased Qurans to make available to all state officials and legislators?
Neither one particularly offends me, MAINLY because it’s an an exercise in futility, this passing out of religious materials. Just a waste of time, effort, paper.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:10:29am |
re: #274 Obdicut
Why would anybody call the “distribution of the [insert your religious text of choice] disgusting”?
Disgusting would be FORCING someone to live by a religious tenet not of their choice. Passing out literature/books can be ignored or refused.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:10:39am |
re: #272 Varek Raith
We got a quarter of an inch of snow this morning. Heard nothing but sirens and screeching tires.
Ah, people driving in snow.
People where you live are wusses. Here in Chicagoland we actually know how to drive in snow and a quarter inch doesn’t affect things at all.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:11:02am |
re: #277 KayInMaine
Even though I’m an Atheist it doesn’t mean there are no people in my life who aren’t religious. Trust me…I am a rarity in my circle! I respect them all, but I think our legislature went beyond what they’re job is. No harm was done in passing out the bibles, but I think to our citizens who are Muslim or what have you, they’re uneasy about it and I don’t blame them.
For the record, it would bother me also. As much as it bothers me when I get religious material stuffed in my mailbox, door or on my car.
Wherever a person’s morality comes from shouldn’t matter in this country. And atheists can be (and are, of course) just as moral and ethical as anyone else. The argument, for me, revolves around that pesky “separation of church and statement” amendment.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:11:13am |
re: #281 Varek Raith
Around DC we drive in it like it’s dry pavement.
Snow?
What snow? Full speed ahead!
As a native New Englander, what a shock it was our 1st “snowstorm” in Georgia how many things (schools, businesses, gov’t offices, etc) shut down, and for how long,, and for how little “snow” there was
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:11:28am |
Damn.
BBL, much later actually.
Just as things are getting interesting.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:12:24am |
re: #281 Varek Raith
Around DC we drive in it like it’s dry pavement.
Snow?
What snow? Full speed ahead!
As much as Colorado is a place where you would expect drivers to know better, we have a good number of natives that still think that 4 wheel drive offers some sort of advantage on sheets of ice. I haven’t found one person that thinks like that to have proven themselves correct.
I’ve tried. I’ve stopped and after extracting them from their rolled over SUV, I’ve asked.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:12:48am |
re: #283 Ericus58
Why would anybody call the “distribution of the [insert your religious text of choice] disgusting”?
Because they found it disgusting.
Can you please explain this bit?
Kay made a specific reference to Christan’s fomenting hate to the point of violence against un-believers. I found it one-sided in targeting only one faith when there’s more than several with issue’s.
I can’t find this post. Can you please point it out?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:13:04am |
re: #271 Walter L. Newton
LOL I’m being fanatical now! Ummmm….you should see me when I am truly fanatical like the time I drove AN HOUR NORTH TO AUGUSTA (post your maps please to dispute this!) to protest Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council who was here to spew his hatred against the gays of our state (whom I believe should have equal rights and I’m not even gay! Neat, huh?)! And guess what? I was the only Mainer out of 1.3 million of us to protest him. Why? Because I mean what I say and say what I mean and I back up what I say too. The Maine media was glad to see me there (I made the news) because they too were disgusted at what was being said inside the Augusta Civic Center on behalf of some in our state. I bet the minister who read the prayer in the Maine House the other day was there to hear Perkins spew it!
Oh wait. I’ve been more fanatical than that! I am very true to myself and believe my time here on earth is spread peace, because as an Atheist it’s “lights out!” when I’m dead and I want to make sure I made my mark before those lights are darkened!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:13:26am |
re: #283 Ericus58
Why would anybody call the “distribution of the [insert your religious text of choice] disgusting”?
Disgusting would be FORCING someone to live by a religious tenet not of their choice. Passing out literature/books can be ignored or refused.
I’m “disgusted” that someone had the temerity to put a sales flier on the windshield of my car in the mall parking lot. Now I’ll HAVE to patronize that gym!!
DAMN!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:13:48am |
re: #284 Dark_Falcon
People where you live are wusses. Here in Chicagoland we actually know how to drive in snow and a quarter inch doesn’t affect things at all.
it can’t….car tires will melt 1/4in as they pass over it…someone is bullshitting
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:15:02am |
re: #290 KayInMaine
LOL I’m being fanatical now! Ummm…you should see me when I am truly fanatical like the time I drove AN HOUR NORTH TO AUGUSTA (post your maps please to dispute this!) to protest Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council who was here to spew his hatred against the gays of our state (whom I believe should have equal rights and I’m not even gay! Neat, huh?)! And guess what? I was the only Mainer out of 1.3 million of us to protest him. Why? Because I mean what I say and say what I mean and I back up what I say too. The Maine media was glad to see me there (I made the news) because they too were disgusted at what was being said inside the Augusta Civic Center on behalf of some in our state. I bet the minister who read the prayer in the Maine House the other day was there to hear Perkins spew it!
Oh wait. I’ve been more fanatical than that! I am very true to myself and believe my time here on earth is spread peace, because as an Atheist it’s “lights out!” when I’m dead and I want to make sure I made my mark before those lights are darkened!
You’re almost as self important as I am.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:15:45am |
re: #292 albusteve
it can’t…car tires will melt 1/4in as they pass over it…someone is bullshitting
Yeah, it melts it. Wet roads + idiots going too fast = crashes.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:15:51am |
Hey all!
Why is it when you finally sit down, the dog tells you he is in urgent need to go outside?
How are you all this morning?
bbiab
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:18:55am |
I’m also against religious lessons being taught in public schools, but am not against religious lessons being taught in a church, at a person’s home/apartment, or in a secular school set up for the purpose! But that’s me. :D If the religious continue to insist on religious ideas being taught in public schools, then I will be forced to insist that churches/places of worship be teaching the subjects of a typical public school! LOL
Okay, I’ll wait for the tomatoes to fly my way again. That’s okay. I played 3rd base for a lot of years and I’m very good at catching the line drives!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:19:24am |
re: #294 Varek Raith
Yeah, it melts it. Wet roads + idiots going too fast = crashes.
the problem drivers up there have nothing to do with the weather…they are over aggressive, self centered assholes…been there plenty of times
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:20:35am |
re: #288 Walter L. Newton
As much as Colorado is a place where you would expect drivers to know better, we have a good number of natives that still think that 4 wheel drive offers some sort of advantage on sheets of ice. I haven’t found one person that thinks like that to have proven themselves correct.
I’ve tried. I’ve stopped and after extracting them from their rolled over SUV, I’ve asked.
As my Dear old Dad used to state:
With a 4WD you can go faster in bad weather, but you can’t stop any faster.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:20:38am |
re: #296 KayInMaine
You laugh a lot. That’s a sign of insecurity. And annoying.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:21:00am |
re: #297 albusteve
the problem drivers up there have nothing to do with the weather…they are over aggressive, self centered assholes…been there plenty of times
And inclement weather makes all those traits worse.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:22:14am |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
You laugh a lot. That’s a sign of insecurity. And annoying.
Maybe she’s just a happy person.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:23:31am |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:24:14am |
re: #301 marjoriemoon
Maybe she’s just a happy person.
this is no place for happy people…we must maintain as negative a vibe as possible, so lets get back to the GOP
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:24:40am |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
I’m going to post the latest ad from the National Republican Trust (which is not actually part of the Republican Party). This latest ad is against raising the Debt Ceiling. We’ve discussed the matter here and we all know why voting not to raise the ceiling is a Bad Idea. But that’s just what Scott Wheeler and his merry bad want to do. Keep a special eye out at the 0:20 mark for footage of a poor, black crack addict that has no place in the ad. It seems like a racial dog whistle to me, but I want to know what the group thinks:
[Video]
Yeah, I think that was poorly executed.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:25:03am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:25:10am |
re: #301 marjoriemoon
Maybe she’s just a happy person.
Maybe. As an atheist myself, and strongly in favor of a reasonable separation of church and state, I actually agree with a lot of Kay’s opinions. But I learned a long time ago that playing the part of the radical atheist doesn’t accomplish much, and most people can’t hear what you have to say over how noisily you are saying it.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:25:15am |
re: #302 Varek Raith
Happy people are the worse.
especially if they’re religious, handing out literature!
/
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:25:48am |
re: #303 albusteve
this is no place for happy people…we must maintain as negative a vibe as possible, so lets get back to the GOP
*snicker*
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:26:25am |
re: #306 Walter L. Newton
“most people can’t hear what you have to say over how noisily you are saying it.”
That, sir, is a quote worthy of being mis-attributed to Mark Twain.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:28:49am |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
I am a very happy person who has a lot of living to do! Thanks for noticing. You on the other hand are an angry person when a woman doesn’t submit to your way of thinking. Very annoying!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:28:54am |
re: #309 ggt
“most people can’t hear what you have to say over how noisily you are saying it.”
That, sir, is a quote worthy of being mis-attributed to Mark Twain.
He may have said it already, or something close. The problem in trying to say anything cleverly is the fact that it has probably already been said, said better and by someone who will be heard better than you.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:30:17am |
re: #311 KayInMaine
I am a very happy person who has a lot of living to do! Thanks for noticing. You on the other hand are an angry person when a woman doesn’t submit to your way of thinking. Very annoying!
so how does being a woman fit into this discussion?….give us your extrapolation
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:30:54am |
re: #306 Walter L. Newton
Maybe. As an atheist myself, and strongly in favor of a reasonable separation of church and state, I actually agree with a lot of Kay’s opinions. But I learned a long time ago that playing the part of the radical atheist doesn’t accomplish much, and most people can’t hear what you have to say over how noisily you are saying it.
I don’t think she’s really being radical. She’s basically expressing a lot of thought that has been expressed here for a long time, the separation of religion and politics.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:31:14am |
re: #306 Walter L. Newton
I am direct and to the point and to some that means I’m yelling. I’m not. Just trying to get my points across as clear as I can because I can’t stand it when some are so ambiguous their meaning is lost. Since you say you’re an Atheist too, you would understand this concept.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:31:17am |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:32:01am |
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:32:25am |
re: #313 albusteve
An assumption on my part. When others were reiterating above that they agreed with me, he didn’t go after them in attack mode. Of course, I don’t know the gender of all people here, but I assumed they’re male. :D
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:32:39am |
SO
Whats the difference if I hand out a bible, a koran, a torah
OR
if I hand out pro-abortion literature, or anti-gun lit, or pro-nuclear power plant lit, or pro-new-mall-developement lit
It’s not that I handed it TO you
It’s what YOU care to do with it , be it read it, keep it or toss it in the trash
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:32:42am |
re: #314 marjoriemoon
I don’t think she’s really being radical. She’s basically expressing a lot of thought that has been expressed here for a long time, the separation of religion and politics.
I’m back for a few.
Yes, Kay has clarified that’s what she intended.
But it started out as what appeared to be offense at specifically Christian Bibles being passed out.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:32:58am |
re: #320 Varek Raith
Because it’s important to me.
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:33:26am |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:33:29am |
Republicans have followed through on a promise to cut congressional staff budgets, but the 5 percent reduction is more symbolic than real. Some 23,000 people work for congressional members and committee offices, at a cost of roughly $4 billion, according to Vital Statistics on Congress, which is published by the Brooking Institution.
holy shit!
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:33:30am |
re: #311 KayInMaine
I am a very happy person who has a lot of living to do! Thanks for noticing. You on the other hand are an angry person when a woman doesn’t submit to your way of thinking. Very annoying!
Oh no she didn’t! lol
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:33:41am |
re: #311 KayInMaine
I am a very happy person who has a lot of living to do! Thanks for noticing. You on the other hand are an angry person when a woman doesn’t submit to your way of thinking. Very annoying!
Wow… you pegged me right on… where did you get you extraordinary observational skills? You mentioned up thread that you were a paralegal… yes? Did you ever think of changing careers and becoming an internet psychologist?
Anyone who knows me after 7 years on LGF knows how full of shit that statement is. And I don’t hide behind any screen names or virtual personalities. Anything, everything, or nothing you want to know about me is full bore out in the open.
Don’t quite your day job.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:33:43am |
re: #321 KayInMaine
An assumption on my part. When others were reiterating above that they agreed with me, he didn’t go after them in attack mode. Of course, I don’t know the gender of all people here, but I assumed they’re male. :D
Oh, no.
La Reine is definitely a gal.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:34:30am |
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:34:43am |
re: #321 KayInMaine
Walter loves a sharp tussle.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:34:43am |
re: #322 sattv4u2
SO
Whats the difference if I hand out a bible, a koran, a torah
OR
if I hand out pro-abortion literature, or anti-gun lit, or pro-nuclear power plant lit, or pro-new-mall-developement litIt’s not that I handed it TO you
It’s what YOU care to do with it , be it read it, keep it or toss it in the trash
Which is what happens to most of the stuff, whatever it is, that’s passed out.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:35:22am |
re: #321 KayInMaine
An assumption on my part. When others were reiterating above that they agreed with me, he didn’t go after them in attack mode. Of course, I don’t know the gender of all people here, but I assumed they’re male. :D
bullshit, your no gender victim….stupid assumption, and telling
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jaunte Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:35:28am |
re: #320 Varek Raith
Why capitalize “atheist”?
Capitalization shows Respect. Insist on your right to Capitalize Randomly.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:35:35am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
Wow… you pegged me right on… where did you get you extraordinary observational skills? You mentioned up thread that you were a paralegal… yes? Did you ever think of changing careers and becoming an internet psychologist?
Anyone who knows me after 7 years on LGF knows how full of shit that statement is. And I don’t hide behind any screen names or virtual personalities. Anything, everything, or nothing you want to know about me is full bore out in the open.
Don’t quite your day job.
(and don’t correct my typos :)
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:35:51am |
re: #333 reine.de.tout
Which is what happens to most of the stuff, whatever it is, that’s passed out.
Here in Chicagoland, all I get is flyers for tanning salons or new pizza parlors.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:35:56am |
re: #333 reine.de.tout
Which is what happens to most of the stuff, whatever it is, that’s passed out.
Hell, I wouldn’t throw away any religious texts if someone gave me some.
I’d just give it to someone who’d appreciate it.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:36:08am |
re: #333 reine.de.tout
Hi
*waving from the coast your way*
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:36:15am |
re: #335 jaunte
Capitalization shows Respect. Insist on your right to Capitalize Randomly.
okeLy dOkelY.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:36:25am |
re: #304 ggt
Yeah, I think that was poorly executed.
The problem is I think it was done deliberately.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:36:35am |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
(and don’t correct my typos :)
Not to worry, Walter, My hands don’t spell to well either.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:37:04am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
The problem is I think it was done deliberately.
I agree. Really, Really obvious too!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:37:35am |
re: #338 Varek Raith
Hell, I wouldn’t throw away any religious texts if someone gave me some.
I’d just give it to someone who’d appreciate it.
Well, that’s what I might do as well.
But, and I hope I don’t go to hell for this - if I have a better copy (and I do), and I can’t find a home for a book of any kind, I’ve got no problem tossing it (or what I usually do, donate it to a thrift store).
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:37:54am |
re: #322 sattv4u2
You can do it on public sidewalks, on your front lawn….but when it’s done in a legislative body that’s where I draw the line. You don’t have to draw the same line, but if someone decides to pass the Quran out on the floor of the Maine House to the legislators next week, I expect you and others to give the same respect!
There’s a guy in Portland who stands on the sidewalk yelling his Jesus quotes for all that pass by. Does he have a right to do it? Yep. Would a Muslim be able to get away with yelling out the words of Mohammad on the same sidewalk? Nope! He would be arrested most likely or the Christians would be freaking out! The End.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:38:02am |
re: #339 Rightwingconspirator
Hi
*waving from the coast your way*
Hey, RWC!
Hope your New Year is going well!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:38:24am |
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:39:20am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
LOL Hey, you’re the one who has gone after me on this thread! You believe you have me pegged to a tee. But you are Walter L. Newton! *applause*
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:40:04am |
re: #345 KayInMaine
You can do it on public sidewalks, on your front lawn…but when it’s done in a legislative body that’s where I draw the line. You don’t have to draw the same line, but if someone decides to pass the Quran out on the floor of the Maine House to the legislators next week, I expect you and others to give the same respect!
There’s a guy in Portland who stands on the sidewalk yelling his Jesus quotes for all that pass by. Does he have a right to do it? Yep. Would a Muslim be able to get away with yelling out the words of Mohammad on the same sidewalk? Nope! He would be arrested most likely or the Christians would be freaking out! The End.
Actually, Christians do indeed get arrested.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:40:07am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
The problem is I think it was done deliberately.
Playing on the old “worst fear” of Southern Whites. Archaic in our part of the world, but, I guess, sadly still true with some people.
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Flounder Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:40:18am |
Hello everyone! I just finished clearing a foot of snow with no breakdowns! (I usually run something thru the blower) The kids are off snowboarding, shredding it up. I hope everyone is having a great day.
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Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:41:01am |
Maybe I should just go stand on a busy street corner and do my radio voice.
/
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:41:02am |
re: #334 albusteve
I am never a gender victim! I am woman hear me roar! LOL
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:41:32am |
re: #348 KayInMaine
LOL Hey, you’re the one who has gone after me on this thread! You believe you have me pegged to a tee. But you are Walter L. Newton! *applause*
Your style of debate is most irritating.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:41:59am |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:42:21am |
re: #310 ggt
BTW, Walter, did you replenish the Oreos?
FRENCH FRIES!!!11ty
How many times I gotta tell you?
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:42:32am |
re: #348 KayInMaine
Sometimes it is better not to feed the attention seeking house trolls who seek to make the threads all about themselves.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:42:39am |
re: #353 Gus 802
Maybe I should just go stand on a busy street corner and do my radio voice.
/
Put on a “The End Is Near” sandwich sign and you’re gold.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:42:47am |
re: #357 reine.de.tout
FRENCH FRIES!!!11ty
How many times I gotta tell you?
Well, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. :)
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:43:17am |
Someone is quite the chatty-cathy this morning.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:43:44am |
re: #348 KayInMaine
LOL Hey, you’re the one who has gone after me on this thread! You believe you have me pegged to a tee. But you are Walter L. Newton! *applause*
You’ve just about trotted out every liberal meme available in the “Debating Techniques for Liberals” (can’t find the link). I hate strong woman, I went after you, so on and so on.
Look, you brought up the subject, people are debating you, some people agree with you, so people don’t agree with you, some people agree with you but don’t like you’re hyperbolic ranting… what ever.
But stop whining.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:43:50am |
re: #358 Reginald Perrin
Sometimes it is better not to feed the attention seeking house trolls who seek to make the threads all about themselves.
Thattaboy
Call someone a Troll!! That way, you marginalize them.
That makes YOU feel better, right?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:43:50am |
re: #345 KayInMaine
They don’t “freak out” because he’s not a Christian, they get concerned because of the havoc wrecked by Radical Islam. Given that damage caused and the potential risk, yes a fanatical Muslim street preacher is going to attract law enforcement attention that a Christian one would not draw. It’s not bigotry, its a proper risk assessment.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:43:52am |
re: #358 Reginald Perrin
Sometimes it is better not to feed the attention seeking house trolls who seek to make the threads all about themselves.
Dr Reg is in the house!
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:44:17am |
re: #350 reine.de.tout
You can blame the police for that arrest: “It’s apparent that these arrests were a retaliatory action over the embarrassing video of the strong arm tactics used last year by Festival Security Guards,” Thompson said. “This time, the first thing police officers did before making the arrests was to confiscate the video cameras in order to prevent a recording of what was actually happening.”
They should not have been arrested. If the KKK has protected speech and I can stand on a sidewalk yelling about how much I hate whatever, then religious people can do the same! It’s the right of citizens of this country. These people were arrested because the police were in the wrong.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:44:24am |
re: #353 Gus 802
Maybe I should just go stand on a busy street corner and do my radio voice.
/
Really Walter should…or do Radio.. He has a great voice..Nice tone…
/sorry Walter..It’s true
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:44:56am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
They don’t “freak out” because he’s not a Christian, they get concerned because of the havoc wrecked by Radical Islam. Given that damage caused and the potential risk, yes a fanatical Muslim street preacher is going to attract law enforcement attention that a Christian one would not draw. It’s not bigotry, its a proper risk assessment.
It is also out of concern for the individual’s safety. Anyone behaving in such a way is making him/herself a target.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:45:24am |
re: #368 Reginald Perrin
I call them like I see them.
Your next “call” should be to an optometrist, then
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:45:44am |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:45:51am |
re: #348 KayInMaine
LOL Hey, you’re the one who has gone after me on this thread! You believe you have me pegged to a tee. But you are Walter L. Newton! *applause*
Kay - what makes LGF interesting is the back and forth and especially, IMO, the disagreements. Lots of different folks here.
It’s most interesting when there are disagreements, IMO. When there isn’t, it might be a fun thread for a bit, but it gets boring after a bit.
You’ve clarified what you intended to say, at least to my satisfaction.
But (unsolicited advice), you may want to try to be as specific and clear as possible; otherwise, yeah, folks are going to question you hard.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:46:22am |
re: #367 HoosierHoops
Really Walter should…or do Radio.. He has a great voice..Nice tone…
/sorry Walter..It’s true
I give anyone credit who finds honest work.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:46:31am |
re: #358 Reginald Perrin
Sometimes it is better not to feed the attention seeking house trolls who seek to make the threads all about themselves.
I’m developing a Iphone app, it doesn’t really do much, just sits installed on your phone, waiting, and occasionally it pops up, with a ugly icon, and says something stupid. And then the app goes into sleep mode until the app finds the next opportunity to interject some worthless drivel. The app has no redeeming value, but it’s good for a laugh.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:46:34am |
re: #356 sattv4u2
Great question! I have no idea. I doubt they would be arrested, but if they were, it would be for something that later charges would be dropped because of lack of evidence.
The person yelling religious quotes into a microphone has never been arrested, but I wonder at times what would happen if an Arab Muslim stood in the same spot yelling the words and teachings of Mohammad would be accepted? What do you think would happen?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:47:06am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:47:14am |
re: #373 reine.de.tout
Kay - what makes LGF interesting is the back and forth and especially, IMO, the disagreements. Lots of different folks here.
It’s most interesting when there are disagreements, IMO. When there isn’t, it might be a fun thread for a bit, but it gets boring after a bit.
You’ve clarified what you intended to say, at least to my satisfaction.
But (unsolicited advice), you may want to try to be as specific and clear as possible; otherwise, yeah, folks are going to question you hard.
Did you, or did you not, kill Colonel Mustard in the dining room with the revolver?
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:47:22am |
re: #373 reine.de.tout
Kay - what makes LGF interesting is the back and forth and especially, IMO, the disagreements. Lots of different folks here.
It’s most interesting when there are disagreements, IMO. When there isn’t, it might be a fun thread for a bit, but it gets boring after a bit.
You’ve clarified what you intended to say, at least to my satisfaction.
But (unsolicited advice), you may want to try to be as specific and clear as possible; otherwise, yeah, folks are going to question you hard.
It’s a tough room.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:47:45am |
re: #378 Varek Raith
Did you, or did you not, kill Colonel Mustard in the dining room with the revolver?
YIKES!
I’ve been found out!
You know, that is still one of my favorite board games.
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:47:50am |
re: #372 albusteve
I never claimed to be anything special, what is wrong with being an ordinary everyday hard working stiff?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:48:02am |
re: #351 ggt
Playing on the old “worst fear” of Southern Whites. Archaic in our part of the world, but, I guess, sadly still true with some people.
Sadly, it still has some adherents even around here. Not full-on racists, but more the “scared of black people suburbanite”.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:48:08am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
I’m developing a Iphone app, it doesn’t really do much, just sits installed on your phone, waiting, and occasionally it pops up, with a ugly icon, and says something stupid. And then the app goes into sleep mode until the app finds the next opportunity to interject some worthless drivel. The app has no redeeming value, but it’s good for a laugh.
That was masterful.
Well written smackdown.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:48:23am |
re: #376 KayInMaine
Great question! I have no idea. I doubt they would be arrested,
But you clearly stated they would be arrested
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:48:41am |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
I’m back for a few.
Yes, Kay has clarified that’s what she intended.
But it started out as what appeared to be offense at specifically Christian Bibles being passed out.
I didn’t read into her statements what a lot of folks did here and if other religious material was passed out at a legislative meeting, I’m sure she (and I and lots of others here) would be upset.
The thing you posted about the Korans is not quite the same. The idea there was to educate legislators about the Koran, noted here (a better link than to the WND). It’s not the same because it didn’t happen at legislative meeting BY legislators. CAIR claims they didn’t want to proselytize, just educate and the whole thing was inspired by Obama’s speech in Cairo. I’m not so sure about that. Sending people religious material, to me, always will be considered proselytizing. The better way to deal with it is to meet face to face with these folks and talk to them. Ease their fears.
But it was a private group so in that way, it’s different.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:48:50am |
re: #382 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, it still has some adherents even around here. Not full-on racists, but more the “scared of black people suburbanite”.
Yeah, I do run across it occassionally.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:48:57am |
re: #376 KayInMaine
Great question! I have no idea. I doubt they would be arrested, but if they were, it would be for something that later charges would be dropped because of lack of evidence.
The person yelling religious quotes into a microphone has never been arrested, but I wonder at times what would happen if an Arab Muslim stood in the same spot yelling the words and teachings of Mohammad would be accepted? What do you think would happen?
I think unless it can be shown to have happened, we can’t really speculate or predict what would happen.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:49:22am |
re: #373 reine.de.tout
Oh I know! I didn’t expect my first post on this thread to make some necks start turning and spewing green goo! LOL But hey, it happened and I think anyone reading this thread who isn’t participating is seeing a very good debate. :D Every day is a learning experience. Today is no exception! I love the fact that LGF is a sane place to have a discussion with all the different ideologies to boot. Thanks!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:50:43am |
re: #385 marjoriemoon
I didn’t read into her statements what a lot of folks did here and if other religious material was passed out at a legislative meeting, I’m sure she (and I and lots of others here) would be upset.
OK.
We’re all different.
And it makes for interesting conversations, n’est-ce pas?
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:50:47am |
I have to take my HP lame-top to the guys at Geek Squad soon. I hate dealing with those guys.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:51:16am |
re: #380 reine.de.tout
YIKES!
I’ve been found out!You know, that is still one of my favorite board games.
Just played it night before last with son and wifey
As usual, son won 3 times ,, wifey once ,, me, NADA
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:51:50am |
re: #392 sattv4u2
Just played it night before last with son and wifey
As usual, son won 3 times ,, wifey once ,, me, NADA
{{{satt}}}
Poor you, the loser.
*snicker*
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:53:06am |
I would have sworn, under oath, it was Mr. Peacock!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:53:06am |
re: #366 KayInMaine
You can blame the police for that arrest: “It’s apparent that these arrests were a retaliatory action over the embarrassing video of the strong arm tactics used last year by Festival Security Guards,” Thompson said. “This time, the first thing police officers did before making the arrests was to confiscate the video cameras in order to prevent a recording of what was actually happening.”
They should not have been arrested. If the KKK has protected speech and I can stand on a sidewalk yelling about how much I hate whatever, then religious people can do the same! It’s the right of citizens of this country. These people were arrested because the police were in the wrong.
I’ve never seen the point of that. If you know doing something is going to anger the police, don’t do it. But on matters like this I’m a fairly submissive type: I’m not going to “fight the power” because all I feel I’d get is arrested. Better to just concede the issue than risk getting a conviction.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:53:07am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
And I am one who believes Glenn Beck should get a proper risk assessment, because he has 2 national microphones a day to spew his scary ideologies and his lies. I think he’s more dangerous than Van Jones or Bill Ayers could ever dream of being! But that’s my opinion. The fact that every single Muslim in America is considered by some to be “scary radical terrorists” makes me sad. This kind of thinking has to stop, because by those standards, we could say George Bush the Evangelical killed more Muslims than Muslims killed Christians on 9/11, so therefore all Evangelicals are scary radical terrorist murderers! See?
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Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:53:11am |
re: #359 Varek Raith
Put on a “The End Is Near” sandwich sign and you’re gold.
Or maybe I can do it at an Arab festival in Dearborn and shout out Acts17 and Apologetics rhetoric.
/
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:53:18am |
re: #385 marjoriemoon
I didn’t read into her statements what a lot of folks did here and if other religious material was passed out at a legislative meeting, I’m sure she (and I and lots of others here) would be upset.
The thing you posted about the Korans is not quite the same. The idea there was to educate legislators about the Koran, noted here (a better link than to the WND). It’s not the same because it didn’t happen at legislative meeting BY legislators. CAIR claims they didn’t want to proselytize, just educate and the whole thing was inspired by Obama’s speech in Cairo. I’m not so sure about that. Sending people religious material, to me, always will be considered proselytizing. The better way to deal with it is to meet face to face with these folks and talk to them. Ease their fears.
But it was a private group so in that way, it’s different.
Interesting enough, I agree with kay’s premise.
I just don’t like the delivery of it.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:53:41am |
re: #392 sattv4u2
Just played it night before last with son and wifey
As usual, son won 3 times ,, wifey once ,, me, NADA
I’d kick your ass in Monopoly!
:P
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:54:19am |
re: #396 KayInMaine
And I am one who believes Glenn Beck should get a proper risk assessment, because he has 2 national microphones a day to spew his scary ideologies and his lies. I think he’s more dangerous than Van Jones or Bill Ayers could ever dream of being! But that’s my opinion. The fact that every single Muslim in America is considered by some to be “scary radical terrorists” makes me sad. This kind of thinking has to stop, because by those standards, we could say George Bush the Evangelical killed more Muslims than Muslims killed Christians on 9/11, so therefore all Evangelicals are scary radical terrorist murderers! See?
I don’t know, I don’t think Glenn Beck has ever built a bomb.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:54:33am |
re: #398 Varek Raith
Interesting enough, I agree with kay’s premise.
I just don’t like the delivery of it.
I said the same thing up thread.
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Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:55:03am |
You got the brains.
I’ve got the cash.
Let’s build lots of strawmen.
//
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:55:21am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:56:21am |
re: #401 ggt
I don’t know, I don’t think Glenn Beck has ever built a bomb.
Building one is simple.
Take 1000 gallons of coke.
Take 10 tons of Mentos.
Mix.
BOOM!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:56:26am |
re: #398 Varek Raith
Interesting enough, I agree with kay’s premise.
I just don’t like the delivery of it.
I also agree it was a silly and untoward thing to do, more because of the appearance of it, though, not from any danger to the community that people who are Christian are going to take this particular Bible delivery and suddenly insert their faith into their jobs where they had not done it before.
And really, not worth being offended by. It was a silly thing to do.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:56:57am |
re: #400 Varek Raith
I’d kick your ass in Monopoly!
:P
Maybe that three dimensional, Star Ship Enterprise type one you have with the holographic characters, but not the traditional one
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:57:04am |
re: #405 Varek Raith
Building one is simple.
Take 1000 gallons of coke.
Take 10 tons of Mentos.
Mix.
BOOM!
Didn’t they do that on Mythbusters with a Pig stomach? It’ didn’t explode.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:57:15am |
re: #390 reine.de.tout
I am one of those annoying Americans when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance who omits “under God” :D And you know what I’ve found? I’m not the only one. I spent a lot of time fighting my town’s Selectboard over the year 2008 and part of 2009 and I can attest that when the Pledge was being said at the town meetings, the room would quiet noticeably when it was time for those words to be said. And I know for a fact that most in the room were not Atheists!
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:57:38am |
re: #408 ggt
Didn’t they do that on Mythbusters with a Pig stomach? It’ didn’t explode.
That was pop rocks and soda.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:58:24am |
re: #409 KayInMaine
I am one of those annoying Americans when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance who omits “under God” :D And you know what I’ve found? I’m not the only one. I spent a lot of time fighting my town’s Selectboard over the year 2008 and part of 2009 and I can attest that when the Pledge was being said at the town meetings, the room would quiet noticeably when it was time for those words to be said. And I know for a fact that most in the room were not Atheists!
you’re pretty awesome…have you considered an autobiography?
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:58:25am |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:58:25am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:58:40am |
re: #409 KayInMaine
Did you do that while wearing your Tye Died T-Shirt and eating a pint of Ben and Jerrys Cherry Garcia!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:58:50am |
re: #400 Varek Raith
I’d kick your ass in Monopoly!
:P
Not if I get the Oranges. Then I’ll run you into the poor house in short order.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:58:56am |
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:59:04am |
re: #389 KayInMaine
Don’t let the bastards grind you down….
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:59:10am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:59:57am |
re: #417 Reginald Perrin
Don’t let the bastards grind you down…
Trolls,,, bastards,,,
Interesting “debating” style you have there!
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:00:24am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:00:32am |
re: #417 Reginald Perrin
Don’t let the bastards grind you down…
She doing a very good job of grinding down on her own with out your help. But if you insist.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:00:38am |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:00:43am |
re: #419 sattv4u2
Trolls,,, bastards,,,
Interesting “debating” style you have there!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:01:19am |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:01:34am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:01:51am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:02:09am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:03:24am |
re: #429 Gus 802
Did you watch any of the marathon that was on News Years Eve/Day?
I love when they do that
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:03:30am |
re: #430 sattv4u2
He was telling the class that everything I post should be updinged!
Nooooooo he wasn’t.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:03:55am |
re: #401 ggt
Maybe not, but his words and subliminal text he screams each day has got to be warping the minds of those in our country! We know it is. We’ve already seen some of it such as the guy who walked into a liberal/lefty church a couple years ago and killed 2 liberals. And then there was this that had Fox News/Beck/O’Reilly written all over it: peoplesworld.org
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Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:04:05am |
re: #431 sattv4u2
Did you watch any of the marathon that was on News Years Eve/Day?
I love when they do that
Nah. When I do watch it’s usually at the NBC site.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:04:11am |
re: #430 sattv4u2
He was telling the class that everything I post should be updinged!
Ok…
Oopps!
Wrong one!
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:04:42am |
re: #416 ggt
true, but I think a different set of parameters.
True, if we’re being specific. But I think Kay’s point about Beck has some validity in that he has a negative effect, and whackos have done crazy stuff then shared that they were Beck fans.
But Beck never tells anybody to do anything, at least not directly. But he does just ask questions and shrug a lot to about 5 million people a week.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:05:18am |
re: #411 albusteve
Just scroll past my comments. I can tell they’re having a detrimental effect on ya! *slapping my hand over my mouth* There I go again..Ms. Internet Psychologist! LOL
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:05:31am |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:05:31am |
re: #433 KayInMaine
Maybe not, but his words and subliminal text he screams each day has got to be warping the minds of those in our country! We know it is. We’ve already seen some of it such as the guy who walked into a liberal/lefty church a couple years ago and killed 2 liberals. And then there was this that had Fox News/Beck/O’Reilly written all over it: [Link: www.peoplesworld.org…]
So, you want to legislate free speech? If you don’t like what someone is saying, don’t listen. If you don’t like the books someone gives you, don’t read them.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:05:40am |
So now, Reggie is downdinging!!
Childish Debate Technique Part Two!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:06:47am |
re: #438 KayInMaine
Just scroll past my comments. I can tell they’re having a detrimental effect on ya! *slapping my hand over my mouth* There I go again..Ms. Internet Psychologist! LOL
I can’t….you have me in a mesmerizing clutch, I’m your prisoner
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:07:07am |
re: #419 sattv4u2
Wally has been gunning for a fight since the first night I posted here.
I find his trollish behavior to be rather pathetic for a so called grown man.
My advice to Kate is to do what I generally do….scroll down to the next comment.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:07:58am |
re: #436 BigPapa
I’ll never forget the time Beck told his listeners about a book he read (it was a European book) about a violent overthrow of that country’s government. Beck went on and on and on and then said near the end, (paraphrasing), “But I don’t want YOU to do a violent overthrow of OUR country! I want peace! I’m all about peaceful conclusions!”.
His fans have brains like a bowling ball: those little places for the fingers is where Beck’s words fall into and his words stay there despite what Beck just said!
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:16am |
Breaking news: Gabrielle Giffords and some aides were shot in Arizona. No link yet. Was on NPR national news update.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:16am |
BDS has reared it’s ugly head I see. Right on target,
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:21am |
re: #436 BigPapa
True, if we’re being specific. But I think Kay’s point about Beck has some validity in that he has a negative effect, and whackos have done crazy stuff then shared that they were Beck fans.
But Beck never tells anybody to do anything, at least not directly. But he does just ask questions and shrug a lot to about 5 million people a week.
Under the law, which I think is what we are discussing, individuals are responsible for the acts they commit. Unless Beck puts a gun to their heads (or it can be proven he actively brainwashed, drugged etc them), the is not responsible.
As long as he has advertisers, the network will continue to broadcast him.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:25am |
re: #443 Reginald Perrin
Wally has been gunning for a fight since the first night I posted here.
I find his trollish behavior to be rather pathetic for a so called grown man.
My advice to Kate is to do what I generally do…scroll down to the next comment.
So to counteract that you resort to name calling!
Fascinating!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:30am |
re: #433 KayInMaine
Maybe not, but his words and subliminal text he screams each day has got to be warping the minds of those in our country! We know it is. We’ve already seen some of it such as the guy who walked into a liberal/lefty church a couple years ago and killed 2 liberals. And then there was this that had Fox News/Beck/O’Reilly written all over it: [Link: www.peoplesworld.org…]
Now we found something we could agree on. I was at the gym last night, on the tread mill machine, and I was watching the late night repeat of Glen’s show. The oddest thing happened. First off, the treadmill starting running backwards, which almost threw me off it, but since I was totally wasted on some conifer tea, I was able to just reverse my walk and never missed a beat… anyway… then Glen started talking backwards… and I had to listen closely, but after a while it became evident… he was repeating over and over… “Tony the Tiger is really gay… Tony the Tiger is really gay… eat more Lucky Charms… eat more Lucky Charms.”
With in minutes… I wanted to blow up a grain silo.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:33am |
re: #443 Reginald Perrin
Wally has been gunning for a fight since the first night I posted here.
I find his trollish behavior to be rather pathetic for a so called grown man.
My advice to Kate is to do what I generally do…scroll down to the next comment.
he doesn’t know who he’s messing with …thanks for holding back
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:08:51am |
re: #398 Varek Raith
Interesting enough, I agree with kay’s premise.
I just don’t like the delivery of it.
LGF is often accused of being a small tent. I don’t think it is at all. We have more diversity of thought here than most political blogs, maybe any of them. I think we should be a bit more accommodating of “sometime posters.”
Her initial post indicated her fear of promoting one religion over another, or just promoting a religion, period, by passing out religious material in the state senate. Certainly, it’s a concern and the whole reason behind “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:09:01am |
re: #438 KayInMaine
Just scroll past my comments. I can tell they’re having a detrimental effect on ya! *slapping my hand over my mouth* There I go again..Ms. Internet Psychologist! LOL
There you go again laughing out loud.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:09:26am |
re: #440 ggt
Never said that, but that’s what you thought! See? I’m not going to allow you to speak for me. Thanks though! It was fun playing!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:10:04am |
I’ve got to head out to run some errands and do some work. BBL
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:10:33am |
re: #455 Dark_Falcon
I’ve got to head out to run some errands and do some work. BBL
Here ,, take my grocery list with you. It’ll save me the trip!
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:10:46am |
re: #452 marjoriemoon
LGF is often accused of being a small tent. I don’t think it is at all. We have more diversity of thought here than most political blogs, maybe any of them. I think we should be a bit more accommodating of “sometime posters.”
Her initial post indicated her fear of promoting one religion over another, or just promoting a religion, period, by passing out religious material in the state senate. Certainly, it’s a concern and the whole reason behind “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
I know.
I should’ve just stayed out of this one.
:/
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:11:13am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:11:45am |
re: #446 wrenchwench
Breaking news: Gabrielle Giffords and some aides were shot in Arizona. No link yet. Was on NPR national news update.
Here’s the (uninformative) link:
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:12:05am |
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:12:24am |
re: #440 ggt
So, you want to legislate free speech?
Though that question is not posed to me I’ll answer for myself. Nowhere do I hear anybody talking of legislating speech to impede Glenn Beck. We are executing our rights to free speech by commenting on his speech.
At some point I still have to hear his speech because I get to hear his memes being spouted to me by other people. It’s their right to speak and my right to ignore or bypass what they say, just as it is my right to speak freely that they are fucking morons for listening to a pseudo entertainment preacher who comments on politics and sells gold.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:12:31am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:12:33am |
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:12:51am |
re: #459 Obdicut
Here’s the (uninformative) link:
[Link: www.npr.org…]
The (unreliable) twitterers are saying she was shot in the head.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:13:18am |
re: #454 KayInMaine
Never said that, but that’s what you thought! See? I’m not going to allow you to speak for me. Thanks though! It was fun playing!
Ah, yes, this is the point. You didn’t say it, so you are not responsible for my interpretation or the actions I may have taken based on the interpretation.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:13:38am |
re: #465 ggt
Ah, yes, this is the point. You didn’t say it, so you are not responsible for my interpretation or the actions I may have taken based on the interpretation.
ouch (again)
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:13:42am |
I don’t consider this a reliable source: twitter.com
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:13:50am |
re: #446 wrenchwench
Breaking news: Gabrielle Giffords and some aides were shot in Arizona. No link yet. Was on NPR national news update.
OMG this is terrible!!!!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:13:57am |
re: #446 wrenchwench
Breaking news: Gabrielle Giffords and some aides were shot in Arizona. No link yet. Was on NPR national news update.
good god…hope she’s okay
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:14:57am |
re: #460 Walter L. Newton
You drive an Explorer… figures… rich capitalist pig.
like who cares?…fool doesn’t drive a Jetta, that’s what that says
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:15:27am |
re: #470 albusteve
like who cares?…fool doesn’t drive a Jetta, that’s what that says
We actually had a VW Cabrio for a number of years
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:15:41am |
re: #468 marjoriemoon
The link I posted has updated with a little more info:
U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, an eyewitness reported Saturday.
Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first “Congress on Your Corner” event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting. At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.
Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Her condition was not immediately known.
Michaels said Giffords was talking to a couple when the man ran up, firing indiscriminately, and then ran off. He was tackled by a bystander and presumably taken into custody.
At least they got the guy.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:16:21am |
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:16:43am |
re: #446 wrenchwench
Awful! This news has taken my breath away!
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:17:08am |
re: #472 Obdicut
The link I posted has updated with a little more info:
At least they got the guy.
This is so wrong. Very tragic.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:17:27am |
re: #471 sattv4u2
We actually had a VW Cabrio for a number of years
well for that, you get a reduced sentence
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:17:48am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:17:53am |
re: #472 Obdicut
At least they got the guy.
Lets hope they did
He was tackled by a bystander and presumably taken into custody.
And if they did, I hope he gets a swift trial followed by a short appeals process followed by decades of hell
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:18:52am |
re: #465 ggt
You’re turning everything I say around, so therefore, I will no longer chat with you. I’d rather chat with Walter at this point anyway! We have more fun. :D
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:18:58am |
re: #478 sattv4u2
At least they got the guy.
Lets hope they did
He was tackled by a bystander and presumably taken into custody.
And if they did, I hope he gets a swift trial followed by a short appeals process followed by decades of hell
I think the death sentence is appropriate in this case
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:19:03am |
re: #448 ggt
Under the law, which I think is what we are discussing, individuals are responsible for the acts they commit. Unless Beck puts a gun to their heads (or it can be proven he actively brainwashed, drugged etc them), the is not responsible.
Under the court of public opinion of which LGF is under jurisdiction Beck is guilty of Incitement to Moronic Zombification.
Beck has committed no crime (but Manson did). However from a certain aspect there are some similarities by which they influence/d people. You had said ‘Beck didn’t build any bombs’ and I replied ‘Manson didn’t do any murders.’ My point was that they both still influence people and should not be discounted, though specifically and correctly, Beck has broken no law whereas Manson did.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:19:45am |
re: #479 KayInMaine
You’re turning everything I say around, so therefore, I will no longer chat with you. I’d rather chat with Walter at this point anyway! We have more fun. :D
be careful, wally is just looking for a fight
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:20:17am |
re: #481 BigPapa
Under the court of public opinion of which LGF is under jurisdiction Beck is guilty of Incitement to Moronic Zombification.
Beck has committed no crime (but Manson did). However from a certain aspect there are some similarities by which they influence/d people. You had said ‘Beck didn’t build any bombs’ and I replied ‘Manson didn’t do any murders.’ My point was that they both still influence people and should not be discounted, though specifically and correctly, Beck has broken no law whereas Manson did.
There should definitely be a law! :)
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:20:54am |
re: #472 Obdicut
The link I posted has updated with a little more info:
At least they got the guy.
OMG this is dreadful! My mom knows her. I just tried to call her, but she’s at synagogue.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:20:59am |
re: #482 albusteve
be careful, wally is just looking for a fight
And he is much, much better at smacking than I am! He is a professional writer after all. …:)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:21:29am |
re: #480 albusteve
I think the death sentence is appropriate in this case
Absolutely
Just didn’t know what the “death sentence’ requirements are in Arizona (ie, does there have to be a murder, or is an attempt enough)
Obviously premeditated no matter who was the target
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:21:36am |
re: #481 BigPapa
Under the court of public opinion of which LGF is under jurisdiction Beck is guilty of Incitement to Moronic Zombification.
Beck has committed no crime (but Manson did). However from a certain aspect there are some similarities by which they influence/d people. You had said ‘Beck didn’t build any bombs’ and I replied ‘Manson didn’t do any murders.’ My point was that they both still influence people and should not be discounted, though specifically and correctly, Beck has broken no law whereas Manson did.
and the dems do not confront him in honest debate, presuming he is damaging the GOP with his nonsense…..AmIdol politics
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:21:36am |
re: #479 KayInMaine
You’re turning everything I say around, so therefore, I will no longer chat with you. I’d rather chat with Walter at this point anyway! We have more fun. :D
What did I do to deserve this?
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:21:48am |
re: #482 albusteve
She has nothing to worry about, I believe she has a lot of experience with his type and is up to the challenge.
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:21:57am |
Tuscon Citizen is reporting that Rep. Giffords was shot in the head, but the link isn’t loading. I imagine everybody in Arizona is trying to load that page right now.
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:22:07am |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:22:51am |
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:22:57am |
Oh Lord please, I hope she’s ok. She’s an amazing woman and a voice for sanity in Arizona.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:23:07am |
re: #490 BongCrodny
Tuscon Citizen is reporting that Rep. Giffords was shot in the head, but the link isn’t loading. I imagine everybody in Arizona is trying to load that page right now.
Everyone across the county is - no other national news has this as yet.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:23:21am |
re: #489 Reginald Perrin
She has nothing to worry about, I believe she has a lot of experience with his type and is up to the challenge.
then why did you say those words?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:23:39am |
re: #485 ggt
And he is much, much better at smacking than I am! He is a professional writer after all… .:)
Tell that to my accountant :) I did’t sell the right to a single play last year. It was the first year since 2004 that at least one of my plays wasn’t being performed at least in one theatre some where.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:24:43am |
re: #496 Walter L. Newton
Tell that to my accountant :) I did’t sell the right to a single play last year. It was the first year since 2004 that at least one of my plays wasn’t being performed at least in one theatre some where.
There is always an exception to the rule. 2010 was a dismal year in many regards. But, this year you are going to PARIS!
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:24:52am |
re: #493 marjoriemoon
Oh Lord please, I hope she’s ok. She’s an amazing woman and a voice for sanity in Arizona.
Of course I hope she is OK, this is horrific.
But just as yesterday with the mail bombs, a thought immediately jumped into my head as to what type of person may have done this.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:24:55am |
re: #488 Walter L. Newton
What did I do to deserve this?
It was this mornings Toilettes/ bidet talk!
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:25:23am |
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:26:06am |
re: #446 wrenchwench
Oh no! Shot in the head, north Tucson, Damn this is awful.
tucsoncitizen.com
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:26:44am |
CNN:
“Several people shot at grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, according to Pima County Sheriff’s Department.”
no link as yet - hell, they can’t even get it right at to “who”.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:27:03am |
Wow… that was out of left field.., I’m listening to a live feed of a Paris radio station… and suddenly there is some bumper music, and they are playing Country Joe and the Fish.
Just an odd audible juxtaposition between the throaty French I was hearing spoken and then Joe’s tinny falsetto voice… whew…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:27:53am |
re: #499 sattv4u2
It was this mornings Toilettes/ bidet talk!
No kidding… this all did start very early this morning with talk of toilets and shit… we’ve moved on…
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:28:24am |
re: #502 Ericus58
CNN:
“Several people shot at grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, according to Pima County Sheriff’s Department.”no link as yet - hell, they can’t even get it right at to “who”.
It just happened 30 minutes ago.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:28:26am |
re: #504 Walter L. Newton
No kidding… this all did start very early this morning with talk of toilets and shit… we’ve moved on…
to Congress?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:28:27am |
re: #488 Walter L. Newton
LOL We had a bad day today and with the new of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords being shot point blank in the head, I feel it’s best to move on because there is ugliness out there that we need to tackle! Besides, I enjoy reading your thoughts and was taken a little back today, but as goes with most people in my life, we can agree to disagree and can continue arguing at another time when we’re drinking again! :D
My heart stopped beating at the news of Congresswoman Gifford. So freaking awful! I’m speechless for the first time in a long time!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:28:38am |
re: #504 Walter L. Newton
No kidding… this all did start very early this morning with talk of toilets and shit… we’ve moved on…
Not really!!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:28:44am |
re: #500 Reginald Perrin
Because they are true.
you advise her to be cautious of a person, then turn around and say she has nothing to worry about….so why be cautious?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:29:55am |
re: #509 albusteve
you advise her to be cautious of a person, then turn around and say she has nothing to worry about…so why be cautious?
When you’re foot is nailed to the floor, you have little choice but to walk around in circles!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:30:28am |
re: #507 KayInMaine
LOL We had a bad day today and with the new of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords being shot point blank in the head, I feel it’s best to move on because there is ugliness out there that we need to tackle! Besides, I enjoy reading your thoughts and was taken a little back today, but as goes with most people in my life, we can agree to disagree and can continue arguing at another time when we’re drinking again! :D
My heart stopped beating at the news of Congresswoman Gifford. So freaking awful! I’m speechless for the first time in a long time!
The Congresswoman shooting is awful… and please, I think you understand now, I’m not angry or trying to be hurtful… it’s a style… a style with a few people after all the years on LGF, still haven’t been able to figure out.
Peace out.
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Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:30:41am |
re: #507 KayInMaine
LOL We had a bad day today and with the new of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords being shot point blank in the head, I feel it’s best to move on because there is ugliness out there that we need to tackle! Besides, I enjoy reading your thoughts and was taken a little back today, but as goes with most people in my life, we can agree to disagree and can continue arguing at another time when we’re drinking again! :D
My heart stopped beating at the news of Congresswoman Gifford. So freaking awful! I’m speechless for the first time in a long time!
Are you drinking already?!
/soft nudge to your ribs
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:30:44am |
re: #510 sattv4u2
When you’re foot is nailed to the floor, you have little choice but to walk around in circles!
Look, it’s not our fault you shot yourself with a nail gun, mmmkay?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:31:52am |
re: #507 KayInMaine
P.S. I don’t smoke, drink or do any stimulants anymore. I was a professional… I’ve retired.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:32:20am |
re: #510 sattv4u2
When you’re foot is nailed to the floor, you have little choice but to walk around in circles!
I guess
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:32:52am |
re: #511 Walter L. Newton
*thumbs up* Trust me….there are many online who detest my style and have spent years trying to take me down! You can find out who I am pretty quickly now thanks to the river rats of the Internet posting my real name, address, and telephone number online in the hopes someone will shoot me point blank one day (just a guess but why post my information on a site that hates me and wants me and all liberals to die!). We’ve some interesting phone calls over the last 2 years!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:33:12am |
re: #500 Reginald Perrin
Because they are true.
You see Reggie how adults act. We had our say, we all kissed and made up. Learn something from it.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:33:17am |
re: #513 Varek Raith
Look, it’s not our fault you shot yourself with a nail gun, mmmkay?
Wait, who pulled the trigger?
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:33:20am |
re: #509 albusteve
His entry in the Book of Trolls was finished long before I first posted at here.
Wally Y Newman: harmless
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:34:09am |
re: #518 ggt
Wait, who pulled the trigger?
We can’t say, but what I can tell you is that there was a puff of smoke coming from the grassy knoll
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:34:16am |
re: #516 KayInMaine
*thumbs up* Trust me…there are many online who detest my style and have spent years trying to take me down! You can find out who I am pretty quickly now thanks to the river rats of the Internet posting my real name, address, and telephone number online in the hopes someone will shoot me point blank one day (just a guess but why post my information on a site that hates me and wants me and all liberals to die!). We’ve some interesting phone calls over the last 2 years!
are you actually the most interesting man in the world?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:34:37am |
re: #512 Ericus58
LOL Just a joke, but hey, I’m sure all of us can say we’ve woken up and had a cocktail just for the sheer pleasure of being able to do it! *thumbs up* I’m not drinking, but when my friends and I get together and politics comes up, well, it’s a bahn burnah! :D
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:34:48am |
re: #516 KayInMaine
I had a hunch LGF is far from your first blog to chat on. Your style has a certain air of experience about it.
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:35:03am |
re: #520 Gus 802
Oh! *trying to catch my breath*
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:35:20am |
re: #519 Reginald Perrin
His entry in the Book of Trolls was finished long before I first posted at here.
Wally Y Newman: harmless
It’s like a Tourettes Syndrome tic with you, huh!
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:35:34am |
re: #519 Reginald Perrin
His entry in the Book of Trolls was finished long before I first posted at here.
Wally Y Newman: harmless
Yes, but Ford Prefect was able to get that amended to “mostly harmless” for the second edition.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:35:55am |
re: #519 Reginald Perrin
His entry in the Book of Trolls was finished long before I first posted at here.
Wally Y Newman: harmless
you are really unhappy for some reason…try to lighten up and have some fun…nobody gives a damn about your agenda otherwise
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:36:36am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:36:46am |
re: #502 Ericus58
CNN:
“Several people shot at grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, according to Pima County Sheriff’s Department.”no link as yet - hell, they can’t even get it right at to “who”.
Sounds like maybe a robbery gone wrong?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:36:54am |
re: #524 Rightwingconspirator
I had a hunch LGF is far from your first blog to chat on. Your style has a certain air of experience about it.
maybe you could get an autograph?
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:37:27am |
The Tucson Citizen link finally came up, but it’s pretty sketchy. No one else said she was shot in the head either.
Gabrielle Giffords shot in head in Tucson
by Three Sonorans on Jan. 08, 2011, under Headline newsUS Congresswoman Gabby Giffords from Tucson has just been shot point blank in the head on the north side of Tucson. No word on if she survived.
More as it develops…
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:37:43am |
GGT,,,
Want a good laugh?
Thanks for the UPDING on #521
Now for the “laugh” part
Someone DOWNdinged it!!
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HoosierHoops Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:37:57am |
Wow..Just got back from the store and heard 12 people shot in Arizona
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allegro Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:38:39am |
Giffords and 12 others shot according to Fox - nothing on CNN I’ve seen. Just saying Giffords is injured so far.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:38:41am |
re: #530 Killgore Trout
Sounds like maybe a robbery gone wrong?
That seems unlikely to me. I’m guessing this is political violence. It seems too much of a coincidence that a robber would choose a Safeway, in broad daylight, and just happen to shoot a Congresswoman.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:38:59am |
re: #533 sattv4u2
GGT,,,
Want a good laugh?
Thanks for the UPDING on #521
Now for the “laugh” part
Someone DOWNdinged it!!
You are welcome. It was a good come-back. I’d upding you again if I could.
| 539 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:39:02am |
re: #524 Rightwingconspirator
Well, besides having my own blog for the past 5 years and spending much time on the large liberal blogs, I’ve found my voice. :D I never comment on right wing sites, but when LGF changed (I had no idea how long ago it was, but an online friend told me to check LGF out recently), I felt it was the best way to have an actual dialogue with some sane conservatives online (I have a few in my life), because despite my persona online I really do want to find some common ground. As you can imagine, it’s been very difficult. Not even my local newspaper online will allow me to comment (hysterical!). Most days I read LGF and do post some of the articles to my Facebook and use them in posts I do on my blog occasionally.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:39:18am |
| 541 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:39:25am |
re: #529 Reginald Perrin
oop
correctionre: #521 sattv4u2
That was really not necessary!
A woman being shot in the head is no laughing matter.
Have you no sense of decency, Sir?
Reggie… take a deep breath and try using some reading comprehension. Sattv4u was talking about a TOTALLY different subject, and so was Vairth and GGT… and the shooting remarks had NOTHING to do with the congress woman.
Go back up thread and pay attention.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:39:38am |
re: #532 marjoriemoon
The Tucson Citizen link finally came up, but it’s pretty sketchy. No one else said she was shot in the head either.
too horrible
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:39:55am |
re: #529 Reginald Perrin
oop
correctionre: #521 sattv4u2
That was really not necessary!
A woman being shot in the head is no laughing matter.
Have you no sense of decency, Sir?
Try to follow along
VAREK teased ME about shooting myself in the foot with a nail gun
I teased back
GGT asked if it was self inflicted
I teased ANOTHER answer
NONE of it had ANYTHING to do with the shooting
Put a rubber band around your head and snap out of it
| 544 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:39:58am |
re: #530 Killgore Trout
Oh man! Let’s hope she wasn’t a target! I did hear she was at a public event. Was it in a grocery store?
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:40:01am |
re: #540 EmmmieG
That wasn’t about the Tucson shooting. They were joking about Lizards shooting themselves in the foot with a nail gun.
Which I came very, very, close to doing.
| 546 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:40:20am |
re: #533 sattv4u2
GGT,,,
Want a good laugh?
Thanks for the UPDING on #521
Now for the “laugh” part
Someone DOWNdinged it!!
So you think it is appropriate to make a joke about a woman’s being shot?
| 547 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:40:32am |
re: #538 ggt
You are welcome. It was a good come-back. I’d upding you again if I could.
Check out 529!
geeezzzz
| 548 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:40:39am |
| 549 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:41:08am |
re: #546 Reginald Perrin
So you think it is appropriate to make a joke about a woman’s being shot?
See #543 ,, and try , REALLY try to pay attention
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:41:22am |
re: #546 Reginald Perrin
So you think it is appropriate to make a joke about a woman’s being shot?
literacy: it’s what’s for dinner.
| 551 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:41:51am |
| 552 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:41:59am |
re: #546 Reginald Perrin
So you think it is appropriate to make a joke about a woman’s being shot?
When one person responds to another using the respond button, you can click on it to go back and see the original comment.
| 553 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:42:16am |
re: #551 albusteve
close don’t count…try again
And remember, you are responsible for the actions you take. :)
| 554 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:42:21am |
re: #546 Reginald Perrin
So you think it is appropriate to make a joke about a woman’s being shot?
Are you being dense on purpose, or is it uncontrollable? Varek, GGT and Sattv4u were not discussing the congresswoman shooting. Go back up thread and pay attention.
| 555 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:42:37am |
re: #546 Reginald Perrin
So you think it is appropriate to make a joke about a woman’s being shot?
c’mon Reg….you can do better
| 556 |
Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:42:45am |
re: #530 Killgore Trout
Sounds like maybe a robbery gone wrong?
I would say not even a possibility. Sounds too targeted.
This feels bad.
| 557 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:43:05am |
re: #556 Ericus58
I would say not even a possibility. Sounds too targeted.
This feels bad.
very bad.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:43:07am |
re: #546 Reginald Perrin
Go back to your stealth downdinging
You weren’t making such a spectacle of yourself then!
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:44:10am |
re: #539 KayInMaine
Welcome.
There is a good bunch of sensible conservatives around here.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:44:28am |
KOLD has streaming video up (looks like you have to use Windows Media Player, but it could just be me):
| 562 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:44:34am |
re: #558 sattv4u2
Go back to your stealth downdinging
You weren’t making such a spectacle of yourself then!
I love the rubber nose!….and those shoes!
| 563 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:44:46am |
Huffpo is doing live blogging which is pretty well summing up everything so far.
| 564 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:45:19am |
re: #530 Killgore Trout
Sounds like maybe a robbery gone wrong?
Public event AT a grocery store
Who would walk up to it, see all the people and think “hey, I think this is a good place to rob”
Nahh,, this was targeted imho
| 565 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:45:54am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:46:15am |
re: #562 albusteve
I love the rubber nose!…and those shoes!
I was surprised how many of them came out of that lil car!!
| 567 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:46:18am |
re: #543 sattv4u2
As today’s Ms. Internet Psychologist, I’m going to guess that Reginald Perrin is as horrified with what has happened to Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords as the rest of us are and is upset with any kind of violent talk, even though, you weren’t making a joke about Giffords being shot. We all react differently in a crisis! :D
| 568 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:46:53am |
re: #566 sattv4u2
I was surprised how many of them came out of that lil car!!
oh noez!…more than one?
| 569 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:47:09am |
I hope Congresswoman Giffords is okay or will come out of this okay.
| 570 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:47:11am |
| 571 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:47:57am |
re: #567 KayInMaine
As today’s Ms. Internet Psychologist, I’m going to guess that Reginald Perrin is as horrified with what has happened to Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords as the rest of us are and is upset with any kind of violent talk, even though, you weren’t making a joke about Giffords being shot. We all react differently in a crisis! :D
quite true. could happen to anyone. of course, most would then apologize and make amends for having wrongfully accused someone of making such an insensitive remark. *drums fingers*
| 572 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:48:04am |
re: #565 albusteve
too bad there wasn’t another legally armed shooter to take this guy out
I thought the same thing. It is Arizona. But, I don’t know the laws, may not be able to “carry” into a grocery store. Anyone with a permit, in many places, has to leave the firearm in the car. Not enough time to retrieve the firearm and return to the shooter.
YET, a bystander did tackle the shooter! I hope that person isn’t hassled by the police.
| 573 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:48:06am |
re: #565 albusteve
One report said a bystander took him down. I’d really rather we get to see what his motive was, the speculation will get ugly fast.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:48:17am |
re: #567 KayInMaine
As today’s Ms. Internet Psychologist, I’m going to guess that Reginald Perrin is as horrified with what has happened to Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords as the rest of us are and is upset with any kind of violent talk, even though, you weren’t making a joke about Giffords being shot. We all react differently in a crisis! :D
As Walter said, keep your day job
Reggie has been ‘on” me since I slapped him earlier, so he was looking for ANYTHING to make me look bad
| 576 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:48:54am |
re: #571 Aceofwhat?
quite true. could happen to anyone. of course, most would then apologize and make amends for having wrongfully accused someone of making such an insensitive remark. *drums fingers*
that ,, right there
| 577 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:49:16am |
re: #558 sattv4u2
In light of the fact that a Congresswoman was possible the victim of an assassination attempt, the joke making reference to Kennedy’s assassination is in extreme poor taste, regardless of the context. Timing is important and now is not the time being light of shootings.
| 578 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:49:16am |
NPR seems to be confirming now she was shot in the head.
| 579 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:49:51am |
re: #571 Aceofwhat?
Good point, but some don’t think clearly when a crisis is happening. How many people on the morning of 9/11 were concerned with apologizing to their husband/wife for yelling at them as the events were unfolding? :D
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:49:57am |
re: #572 ggt
No worries on that score. Tucson PD is far more sensible than that. I happen to know a bunch because the local PD does all the security at the big annual gem show.I would see the same cops year after year.
| 581 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:50:05am |
| 582 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:50:29am |
re: #562 albusteve
Go ahead and laugh Steve, I have to go back to work.
| 583 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:50:33am |
re: #501 Rightwingconspirator
Oh no! Shot in the head, north Tucson, Damn this is awful.
[Link: tucsoncitizen.com…]
The site is crashing.
| 584 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:50:43am |
re: #577 Reginald Perrin
In light of the fact that a Congresswoman was possible the victim of an assassination attempt, the joke making reference to Kennedy’s assassination is in extreme poor taste, regardless of the context. Timing is important and now is not the time being light of shootings.
bullshit. it was a separate discussion.
why are you being such an asshole today?
| 585 |
Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:50:53am |
The suspect was tackled by a bystander and taken into custody. He was not injured. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:50:57am |
re: #401 ggt
I don’t know, I don’t think Glenn Beck has ever built a bomb.
His job isn’t to build bombs. It’s to rile up the rubes. Rubes build bombs.
| 587 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:51:00am |
re: #577 Reginald Perrin
In light of the fact that a Congresswoman was possible the victim of an assassination attempt, the joke making reference to Kennedy’s assassination is in extreme poor taste, regardless of the context. Timing is important and now is not the time being light of shootings.
WE can and do have several lines of conversation here. Keep up.
| 588 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:51:25am |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
bullshit. it was a separate discussion.
why are you being such an asshole today?
Today?
| 589 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:51:26am |
I’m remembering the Newberg bombing. Like that, this could be any number of things, so I will say only God be with this woman and her family.
| 590 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:51:41am |
| 591 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:51:46am |
re: #575 jaunte
March 2010: Rep. Giffords’ Tucson office vandalized after health care vote
Coincidentally we were talking of Beck, who while breaking now law, foments agitation with charged rhetoric. When will it be accepted that there is a link?
| 592 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:52:13am |
re: #591 BigPapa
We’ll have to wait and see what the shooter says.
| 593 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:52:28am |
re: #586 Amory Blaine
His job isn’t to build bombs. It’s to rile up the rubes. Rubes build bombs.
His job is to make money.
| 594 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:52:28am |
re: #563 marjoriemoon
Huffpo is doing live blogging which is pretty well summing up everything so far.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Thanks for the link….
NPR reports that Giffords was shot at a public event at a grocery store in Tucson, Ariz. Peter Michaels of of Arizona Public Media tells NPR that at least five others, including staff, were hurt as well.
Hmmm..looks like she may have been intentionally targeted.
| 595 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:53:06am |
re: #574 sattv4u2
And you’ve deserved it! In the meantime, can you put your imaginary dukes down long enough for the rest of us to breathe? Many here for months have been talking about the anarchists and how they’re driving themselves insane with lies and ridiculous fears and now we have a US Congresswoman shot in a grocery store. Would it help if we nominated you to be the “Thread King” for today? Would it calm you for a bit? :D
| 596 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:53:34am |
re: #594 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the link…
Hmmm..looks like she may have been intentionally targeted.
I’m afraid this will have a chilling effect.
| 597 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:53:47am |
re: #581 sattv4u2
Not going to happen.
Would you be making jokes about assassinations on a this thread if it was a Republican shot by a Muslim?
I have my doubts that you would.
| 598 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:54:10am |
re: #593 ggt
His job is to make money.
He could make money profiling acts of kindness. He is a lying propagandist.
| 599 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:54:19am |
I hereby nominate sattv4u2 for Thread King,
do I hear any seconds?
| 600 |
HoosierHoops Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:54:24am |
re: #594 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the link…
Hmmm..looks like she may have been intentionally targeted.
Yes it appears so..along with 3 staffers…
I’m shocked…When was the last time this has happened?
| 601 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:54:28am |
re: #577 Reginald Perrin
In light of the fact that a Congresswoman was possible the victim of an assassination attempt, the joke making reference to Kennedy’s assassination is in extreme poor taste, regardless of the context. Timing is important and now is not the time being light of shootings.
Get over yourself
Now you;re just trying to cover up an embarrassing screed
There are tragic things that happen every day, every hour. The world doesn’t end. One had nothing to do with the other, and EVERY SINGLE OTHER poster here knew it
You were just laying in wait HOPING I would post something you could jump on because I exposed you earlier. YOU messed up. Own it
| 602 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:55:11am |
New (again) Gov Jerry Brown is cutting his security force, staff, eliminated the First Lady office and Sec Of Education. In light of this shooting-I’d like him to re think the security thing.
tucsoncitizen.com
| 603 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:55:18am |
re: #582 Reginald Perrin
Go ahead and laugh Steve, I have to go back to work.
you bring it on yourself…I’ve never, once had a beef with you….you attack me for little or no reason including name calling and even threats…what would you expect?
| 604 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:55:21am |
re: #591 BigPapa
8/10/09:
Town hall disruptions around the country have led to some outbreaks of violence. Unions participating in town halls have received death threats. At an event held by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) last week, the threat of violence led her aides to call the police after one attendee dropped a gun.
huffingtonpost.com
| 605 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:55:24am |
re: #579 KayInMaine
Good point, but some don’t think clearly when a crisis is happening. How many people on the morning of 9/11 were concerned with apologizing to their husband/wife for yelling at them as the events were unfolding? :D
i am horrified at the shooting, and i sincerely pray that the congresswoman will survive and that the correct suspect is about to pay for his actions.
that is not equivalent to the sort of crisis that gives us carte blanche for poor behavior. Lord knows that i’ve said some things that i wish i could take back, here and in other places. Since i couldn’t take them back, i apologized for them instead, as sincerely as possible. It happens to all of us; how we amend for our mistakes is often as or more telling than the mistakes themselves, you know?
| 606 |
Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:55:33am |
re: #601 sattv4u2
Dude, jokes about political assassinations at the same time there may have been a political assassination aren’t cool. Sure, you were joking about something else, but think about it a little bit. This is not the time.
| 607 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:55:56am |
re: #592 jaunte
We’ll have to wait and see what the shooter says.
Yes, I’ll have to wait and see if the facts support my pre-conceived opinions. In the mean time TV news isn’t any more informative than the web.
This is truly chilling and has negative effects on the democratic process.
| 608 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:56:35am |
re: #602 Rightwingconspirator
Darn wrong link!
sacbee.com
| 609 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:57:04am |
re: #579 KayInMaine
Good point, but some don’t think clearly when a crisis is happening. How many people on the morning of 9/11 were concerned with apologizing to their husband/wife for yelling at them as the events were unfolding? :D
wtf you talking
people are sure getting confused
| 610 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:57:18am |
re: #606 Obdicut
Dude, jokes about political assassinations at the same time there may have been a political assassination aren’t cool. Sure, you were joking about something else, but think about it a little bit. This is not the time.
Man up.
| 611 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:57:59am |
re: #588 Walter L. Newton
Today?
Every day is a new day for each of us. Sorry if that sounds a little cuddly, and i don’t always succeed in applying it, but it’s where i try to come from. I want to be able to disagree with someone today without losing the opportunity to agree with them tomorrow.
| 612 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:58:32am |
re: #594 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the link…
Hmmm..looks like she may have been intentionally targeted.
I have no doubts.
Wasn’t she in Palin “sights” on her little map?
She has so many people praying for her. God please let her make it.
| 613 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:58:33am |
re: #606 Obdicut
Dude, jokes about political assassinations at the same time there may have been a political assassination aren’t cool. Sure, you were joking about something else, but think about it a little bit. This is not the time.
Not everyone’s pages load at the same speed. 12 posts about one topic could be up before a person finishes typing their reply to a totally separate topic. A poster is responsible for the order in which the posts appear. AS long as the property “reply” reference is there, no inferences should be made.
Its over, it’s upthread and has run it’s course.
| 614 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:58:56am |
re: #611 Aceofwhat?
Every day is a new day for each of us. Sorry if that sounds a little cuddly, and i don’t always succeed in applying it, but it’s where i try to come from. I want to be able to disagree with someone today without losing the opportunity to agree with them tomorrow.
That’s a parents creed.
| 615 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:59:08am |
re: #611 Aceofwhat?
Every day is a new day for each of us. Sorry if that sounds a little cuddly, and i don’t always succeed in applying it, but it’s where i try to come from. I want to be able to disagree with someone today without losing the opportunity to agree with them tomorrow.
Oh… you are so cuddly… I can’t argue with you, you, you… well… you big cuddly you.
| 616 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:59:16am |
re: #605 Aceofwhat?
I haven’t been part of LGF long enough to understand the different personalities and if there’s any ongoing arguments between any of you. I will stay out of this from here on out! :D
| 617 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:59:20am |
Tarkloon retweet:
RT @EdEspinoza: Giffords in hospital, condition unknown. Also shot was her district director and local press secretary.
| 618 |
FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:59:23am |
re: #613 ggt
Not everyone’s pages load at the same speed. 12 posts about one topic could be up before a person finishes typing their reply to a totally separate topic. A poster is NOT responsible for the order in which the posts appear. AS long as the property “reply” reference is there, no inferences should be made.
Its over, it’s upthread and has run it’s course.
pimf
| 619 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:59:47am |
re: #593 ggt
His job is to make money.
So are drug dealers.
The fact that your goal is to make money for your employer does not preclude you from acting responsibly in the best interest of all. Acting in the best interest of your employer is supposed to be balanced with acting the best interest of the community which in Beck’s case is the entire nation.
| 620 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 10:59:53am |
KOLD reports that the AP confirms that Congresswoman Giffords has be shot in the head.
| 622 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:00:26am |
| 623 |
Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:00:30am |
re: #620 commadore183
What a fucking coward that guy is. What a goddamned wimp.
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:00:43am |
re: #530 Killgore Trout
Sounds like maybe a robbery gone wrong?
The shot was at point blank range in the head at an event according to some tweets. She’s in the hospital, condition unknown. Also in the hospital are her District director and local press secretary. This wasn’t a robbery gone awry. Reports of 15-20 shots being fired according to some witnesses.
| 625 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:00:53am |
re: #616 KayInMaine
I haven’t been part of LGF long enough to understand the different personalities and if there’s any ongoing arguments between any of you. I will stay out of this from here on out! :D
Yeah, there’s a long history here.
| 626 |
Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:01:33am |
re: #624 Thanos
NPR has updated the number of other people injured to at least nine.
| 627 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:01:33am |
| 628 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:01:33am |
re: #603 albusteve
When did I specifically call YOU names?
| 629 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:01:57am |
re: #624 Thanos
The shot was at point blank range in the head at an event according to some tweets. She’s in the hospital, condition unknown. Also in the hospital are her District director and local press secretary. This wasn’t a robbery gone awry. Reports of 15-20 shots being fired according to some witnesses.
more than 12 shots would mean 2 pistols or an extra mag…premeditated mayhem
| 630 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:01:59am |
She was shot from 4 feet away. This is no robbery!!
Giffords was talking to a couple when the suspect ran up and fired indiscriminately from about four feet away, Michaels said.
| 631 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:02:29am |
| 632 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:02:35am |
re: #616 KayInMaine
I haven’t been part of LGF long enough to understand the different personalities and if there’s any ongoing arguments between any of you. I will stay out of this from here on out! :D
no, i am saying that ongoing arguments are detrimental to lively discussion! who cares what some of us disagreed about yesterday…today’s a new day-
| 634 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:01am |
re: #628 Reginald Perrin
When did I specifically call YOU names?
in previous threads, your troll gig gets old….go pester someone else, I’m not your punching bag
| 635 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:28am |
re: #615 Walter L. Newton
Oh… you are so cuddly… I can’t argue with you, you, you… well… you big cuddly you.
oh, that was your hand on my ass…look…it’s not you, it’s me…
| 636 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:29am |
re: #616 KayInMaine
I haven’t been part of LGF long enough to understand the different personalities and if there’s any ongoing arguments between any of you. I will stay out of this from here on out! :D
Don’t sweat it, we’re extremely mellow on the Great Intertubes Scale.
| 637 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:30am |
re: #632 Aceofwhat?
no, i am saying that ongoing arguments are detrimental to lively discussion! who cares what some of us disagreed about yesterday…today’s a new day-
Then why are last night’s dishes still there?
| 638 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:31am |
re: #626 Obdicut
ABC has up to twelve. Lots of shots fired. Mass shooting? This guy was really determined to create all the mayhem he could. Sick bastard. I have a bad feeling about the delay in hearing about her condition.
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Ojoe Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:33am |
re: #630 marjoriemoon
Extremely bad news, I am dismayed for our country.
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:51am |
re: #616 KayInMaine
I haven’t been part of LGF long enough to understand the different personalities and if there’s any ongoing arguments between any of you. I will stay out of this from here on out! :D
The day crew can be a little ornery at times, this place is a lot more fun in the evenings.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:03:57am |
re: #635 Aceofwhat?
oh, that was your hand on my ass…look…it’s not you, it’s me…
Oh… that was you ass in my hand… I thought it was…
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:04:02am |
re: #626 Obdicut
NPR has updated the number of other people injured to at least nine.
sounds like he just strolled up to a tightly packed group and opened fire…good god
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:04:05am |
re: #612 marjoriemoon
“Wasn’t she in Palin “sights” on her little map?”
If that is true, I will hate that atrocious woman more than I already do! She’s another one who is dangerous. She’s good looking, yes, but because she is she is able to brainwash some into doing atrocious things to “save the lovely lady tied to the railroad tracks” to be the hero. Ugh!
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:04:17am |
re: #629 albusteve
Some guns hold 15, and witnesses are notorious for getting things like shot counts wrong. I wager some of the stuff I typed was wrong, initial reporting at a horrific event like this almost always gets a few things wrong.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:04:18am |
re: #622 Aceofwhat?
hah! Amen, sister-
Dude, I read this week that Ohio is experiencing a high incidence of bed bugs.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:04:47am |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:06am |
re: #632 Aceofwhat?
no, i am saying that ongoing arguments are detrimental to lively discussion! who cares what some of us disagreed about yesterday…today’s a new day-
you mean I can’t hold a grudge?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:23am |
re: #625 EmmmieG
I figured as much. All blogs/websites are like this. Even mine….a few are pissed at me for posting my most favorite rant that happened after the 2004 election by someone else, and now they’re not posting on my blog. Do I care? Nope. I’m not the Internet Babysitter! :D
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:28am |
Breaking news…
NIGER: Two Frenchmen kidnapped in Niamey killed: security sources
The two French nationals kidnapped on Friday night by armed men in a restaurant in the Niger capital, Niamey, have been killed, security sources say.
As the World Turns.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:33am |
re: #606 Obdicut
Dude, jokes about political assassinations at the same time there may have been a political assassination aren’t cool. Sure, you were joking about something else, but think about it a little bit. This is not the time.
Again, the back and forth between myself and a few other posters was going on simultaneous to the news flash
As a matter of fact (and VAREK will verify) the Shooting Myself With a NAIL GUN reference was something between he and I a day or so ago.
He revisited it now (off another comment) and we just went with it
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:41am |
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:48am |
The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s.
That’s interesting.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:53am |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:05:53am |
re: #637 EmmmieG
Then why are last night’s dishes still there?
because my wife didn’t do them?
*ducks*
i kiiid…i kiiid…
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:06:11am |
re: #643 KayInMaine
“Wasn’t she in Palin “sights” on her little map?”
If that is true, I will hate that atrocious woman more than I already do! She’s another one who is dangerous. She’s good looking, yes, but because she is she is able to brainwash some into doing atrocious things to “save the lovely lady tied to the railroad tracks” to be the hero. Ugh!
Targeted and named.
I have no words for this. I’m on pins and needles waiting for news. And I hope to high heaven my mother didn’t attend that rally.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:06:12am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:06:27am |
re: #644 Thanos
Some guns hold 15, and witnesses are notorious for getting things like shot counts wrong. I wager some of the stuff I typed was wrong, initial reporting at a horrific event like this almost always gets a few things wrong.
Also counting wounds or victims can be deceiving. A bullet can go through someone’s hand and hit someone else in the foot.
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:06:38am |
re: #634 albusteve
So you are carrying an old grudge in spite of the fact you have been mostly left alone.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:06:41am |
re: #643 KayInMaine
May I suggest we hold off on motive? It’s really too soon. Sure could be a Palin or Beck fan, could be a disgruntled ex employee could be anything. Targeting politicians for electoral defeat or campaign ads is a very long way from sending a killer.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:06:48am |
re: #650 sattv4u2
Again, the back and forth between myself and a few other posters was going on simultaneous to the news flash
As a matter of fact (and VAREK will verify) the Shooting Myself With a NAIL GUN reference was something between he and I a day or so ago.He revisited it now (off another comment) and we just went with it
Well, you should have thought of that days ago when you brought up the subject in the first place.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:01am |
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:03am |
KOLD reports 4 killed in the shooting. No word on Congresswoman Giffords’ condition. FBI is in-route to the shooting scene.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:23am |
re: #661 Killgore Trout
6 according to NPR. Including the Congresswoman.
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and six others died after a gunman opened fire at a public event on Saturday, the Pima County, Ariz., sheriff’s office confirms
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:30am |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:32am |
re: #655 marjoriemoon
Targeted and named.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
I have no words for this. I’m on pins and needles waiting for news. And I hope to high heaven my mother didn’t attend that rally.
They really don’t get it do they?
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:47am |
re: #655 marjoriemoon
Targeted and named.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
I have no words for this. I’m on pins and needles waiting for news. And I hope to high heaven my mother didn’t attend that rally.
She is a widely respected conservative. Why? That’s another question.
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Ojoe Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:50am |
re: #661 Killgore Trout
MSNBC reports congresswoman shot in head, that’s not a good sign.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:07:53am |
re: #644 Thanos
Some guns hold 15, and witnesses are notorious for getting things like shot counts wrong. I wager some of the stuff I typed was wrong, initial reporting at a horrific event like this almost always gets a few things wrong.
yeah, your right about the 15 or even more, but they are far from typical…as for the rest, it does sound like he really went full auto with whatever he was packing….he meant business
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:08:23am |
This occurred at a Safeway store in Tucson, I’m recalling the miltia guys who showed up at the Obama speech toting assault rifles and several other things atm. But… 24 hour rule in effect
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:08:27am |
re: #658 Reginald Perrin
So you are carrying an old grudge in spite of the fact you have been mostly left alone.
Old grudge. Dictionary definition : Pot Calling The Kettle Black ; see “Wally has been gunning for a fight since the first night I posted here.”
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:08:36am |
re: #659 Rightwingconspirator
May I suggest we hold off on motive? It’s really too soon. Sure could be a Palin or Beck fan, could be a disgruntled ex employee could be anything. Targeting politicians for electoral defeat or campaign ads is a very long way from sending a killer.
ANd using gun sites in your propaganda is just plain stupid. There are some very unhinged literal thinking people out there.
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:08:46am |
A few comments from the Fox News website on this story:
I urge the people of Arizona to use deadly force against illegals crossing the border. America is with you.
She was on the side of Republicans when it came to illegal immigrants because she knew the damage illegals were doing to her state!
Yes…the Rat is most likely an illegal who crossed the open border because our illegal muzzzlome prezzzident refuses to seal the borders
It’s only a matter of time before gun-grabbers blame Arizona’s no-permit-to-carry law.
Nice try but the Alinsky acolytes and their ilk are who beat the drum for violent overthrow with much greater desperation and regularity.
To be fair, they’re not all like that — there are a lot of comments wishing Rep. Giffords a quick recovery.
However, the comments that are *specifically* political…
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:08:49am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:00am |
re: #672 Walter L. Newton
Old grudge. Dictionary definition : Pot Calling The Kettle Black ; see “Wally has been gunning for a fight since the first night I posted here.”
ouch
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:05am |
re: #659 Rightwingconspirator
May I suggest we hold off on motive? It’s really too soon. Sure could be a Palin or Beck fan, could be a disgruntled ex employee could be anything. Targeting politicians for electoral defeat or campaign ads is a very long way from sending a killer.
I agree. I don’t see any strong clues so far. She was a moderate Dem so it could have been a nut from either side. The immigration debate complicates things further.
I skimmed some comments on wingnut sites and fox news. Even they’re nervous that it could be one of their own.
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Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:15am |
Congresswoman, 6 Others, Killed By Gunman
January 8, 2011
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and six others died after a gunman opened fire at a public event on Saturday, the Pima County, Ariz., sheriff’s office confirms. The 40-year-old Democrat was outside a Tucson grocery store when a gunman ran up and began firing indiscriminately. The suspect was taken into police custody.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:25am |
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:44am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:44am |
re: #650 sattv4u2
Again, the back and forth between myself and a few other posters was going on simultaneous to the news flash
As a matter of fact (and VAREK will verify) the Shooting Myself With a NAIL GUN reference was something between he and I a day or so ago.He revisited it now (off another comment) and we just went with it
Good grief, people!
Damn, I’ll just be a good, humorless robot from now on.
/
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:09:45am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:10:04am |
re: #659 Rightwingconspirator
May I suggest we hold off on motive? It’s really too soon. Sure could be a Palin or Beck fan, could be a disgruntled ex employee could be anything. Targeting politicians for electoral defeat or campaign ads is a very long way from sending a killer.
In the Newberg bombing, they were just jerks. On this one, I’ll wait to here what the story is, but in the meantime, pray for the doctors to do their jobs to the best of their abilities.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:10:10am |
re: #682 Varek Raith
Good grief, people!
Damn, I’ll just be a good, humorless robot from now on.
/
two words
DO NOT!
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:10:24am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:10:30am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:10:46am |
re: #682 Varek Raith
Good grief, people!
Damn, I’ll just be a good, humorless robot from now on.
/
From now on?
/
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:10:49am |
re: #645 prairiefire
Dude, I read this week that Ohio is experiencing a high incidence of bed bugs.
yeah. it’s a really interesting pickle; they were denied an exemption for a particular pesticide, propexur or something like that in 2010, so as with other areas who are battling this resurgence, they find themselves short of effective chemical solutions.
i hate pesticides, but i’m sure that i’d hate bedbugs, too.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:11:02am |
re: #658 Reginald Perrin
So you are carrying an old grudge in spite of the fact you have been mostly left alone.
not at all…I don’t even dislike you, just want you to keep your distance
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Peter Kaufman Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:11:07am |
Palin indeed have this congresswoman’s district in her ‘crosshairs’ map.
This incident makes me feel sick - literally. And I can’t wait for Palin’s tweet telling everyone to pray for Congresswoman Giffords.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:11:15am |
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:11:34am |
re: #672 Walter L. Newton
I have no grudge against you, that is why I mainly ignore what you write and scroll down.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:11:43am |
re: #674 BongCrodny
A few comments from the Fox News website on this story:
To be fair, they’re not all like that — there are a lot of comments wishing Rep. Giffords a quick recovery.
However, the comments that are *specifically* political…
FOX news comments will be the last place I look for reason. A broken clock is right twice a day. Whoopee.
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BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:12:22am |
re: #677 Killgore Trout
Even they’re nervous that it could be one of their own.
They should be if they have any sense of fucking decency and responsibility. The football fan mentality in politics hops up the kooks.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:12:29am |
re: #695 Reginald Perrin
I have no grudge against you, that is why I mainly ignore what you write and scroll down.
Thank god.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:13:14am |
re: #682 Varek Raith
Good grief, people!
Damn, I’ll just be a good, humorless robot from now on.
/
so. how about that weather, huh/
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:13:23am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
Your new avatar
Is that one of the “pins and needles” you were sitting on this morning?
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KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:14:18am |
I truly hope this isn’t a political target, whether by an immigrant making a statement or by a person who hates the Dems and did it just because!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:14:20am |
re: #703 sattv4u2
Your new avatar
Is that one of the “pins and needles” you were sitting on this morning?
I took that pic in Jan. 2007.
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Ojoe Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:14:53am |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:14:53am |
bad news for everyone…I’m hoping that Americans get the wakeup call
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:15:19am |
We don’t know who, or why, but this is domestic terrorism.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:15:29am |
Gotta go deal with the Geek Squad.
Try to have a good day all!
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:16:01am |
If it is a political motive what then? Anyone think this will change the elimination rhetoric coming from the right? BS
| 712 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:16:05am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:16:10am |
re: #704 KayInMaine
I truly hope this isn’t a political target, whether by an immigrant making a statement or by a person who hates the Dems and did it just because!
Sorry, but it has all the marking of one.
A POLITICIAN at a POLITICAL EVENT targeted at point blank range
This wasn’t a random shooting where the killer is just out for ANY blood
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:16:52am |
re: #692 albusteve
I have always kept my distance, my policy is to avoid those who often exhibit troll like behavior.
Do not feed the trolls is the best way to deal with those who are not here for a fair honest debate. Six people have been murdered and someone making jokes about assassinations is in very poor taste.
| 715 |
wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:17:06am |
re: #704 KayInMaine
I truly hope this isn’t a political target, whether by an immigrant making a statement or by a person who hates the Dems and did it just because!
It would not be an immigrant. Giffords was pro-immigrant. It might be a tea partier. They targeted her in the election, made it a close race.
| 716 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:17:45am |
re: #708 Thanos
We don’t know who, or why, but this is domestic terrorism.
Too soon. If they keep the guy alive, we’ll know.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:17:49am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:17:55am |
re: #708 Thanos
I’m really hoping this wasn’t some extremist protesting her stance against illegal immigrants, because I think vigilante reprisals will follow if that is the case.
Fuck. I mean, there’s no good outcome. Holy hell.
| 720 |
Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:18:05am |
re: #714 Reginald Perrin
I have always kept my distance, my policy is to avoid those who often exhibit troll like behavior.
Do not feed the trolls is the best way to deal with those who are not here for a fair honest debate. Six people have been murdered and someone making jokes about assassinations is in very poor taste.
I’m sorry I brought that up.
| 721 |
recusancy Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:18:34am |
“The man was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” our source said.”
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:18:50am |
re: #715 wrenchwench
People aren’t rational, though. She wasn’t completely pro-immigrant; she was one of the people saying that the Arizona law showed that the federal government wasn’t doing enough.
Anything is possible at this point.
| 723 |
Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:19:11am |
re: #716 Decatur Deb
Too soon. If they keep the guy alive, we’ll know.
No, not too soon. Whatever the rationale shooting a politician and several others at a public event is terrorism.
| 724 |
KayInMaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:19:17am |
Please tell me she did not die because she supports health care reform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| 725 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:19:24am |
re: #714 Reginald Perrin
Do not feed the trolls is the best way to deal with those who are not here for a fair honest debate. Six people have been murdered and someone making jokes about assassinations is in very poor taste.
So is accusing someone of making jokes about the event in question, which was decidedly not the case. Having already failed to interpret the original comment correctly, perhaps you aren’t an effective messenger on this narrow point? Just a thought.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:20:18am |
re: #720 Varek Raith
I’m sorry I brought that up.
Don’t be
As I stated, he was laying in wait gunning for me since I slapped him down earlier
Prior to that he was downdinging even my most innocuous posts!
One (our back and forth) had nothing to do with the other!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:20:47am |
re: #723 Thanos
No, not too soon. Whatever the rationale shooting a politician and several others at a public event is terrorism.
No. Hinckley.
| 731 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:21:15am |
re: #727 BigPapa
I feel so bad for her family and friends.
Add in her constituents and the country and I’m with you
| 733 |
wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:22:37am |
re: #722 Obdicut
Thanks. I did not have the facts.
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:23:25am |
re: #720 Varek Raith
I was floored when I read she was shot and missed the nail gun joke.
It wouldn’t have bothered me because I would have understood the context, shooting myself in the foot.
There was nothing offensive about your comment at all.
A joke about the Kennedy assassination was in extreme poor taste, considering the sad event that had just occurred.
| 735 |
Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:23:39am |
CNN confirms that Congresswoman Giffords has been killed.
| 736 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:24:03am |
Now I really want to hear who this bastard is. Captured uninjured.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:24:19am |
re: #733 wrenchwench
Thanks. I did not have the facts.
I think it’s far more likely she was shot by someone on the anti-immigrant side, but anything is possible.
The young age of the shooter makes me think of white supremacists, however.
But mostly I just hope that there isn’t any violence in the wake of this, regardless of the identity and affiliation of the shooter.
| 739 |
Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:24:32am |
re: #730 Decatur Deb
No. Hinckley.
Hinckley shot the President after the event. When you shoot several during a public event it’s more than just being crazy.
| 741 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:25:49am |
Anyone have a list of the local right wing nutjob radio personalities in that part of AZ?
| 742 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:26:29am |
re: #739 Thanos
Hinckley shot the President after the event. When you shoot several during a public event it’s more than just being crazy.
crazy is right…he might have saved ammo or packed another gun for his escape….wtf was he thinking?….let himself be tackled?, a crude mind
| 743 |
Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:26:38am |
re: #741 Amory Blaine
Anyone have a list of the local right wing nutjob radio personalities in that part of AZ?
Throttle back, Big Rig.
| 746 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:05am |
How could a moderate earn that kind of anger?
| 747 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:07am |
re: #726 jaunte
From that article:
“Gabrielle Giffords has betrayed southern Arizona by refusing to secure the border,” Kelly said.
“Bipartisanship in Washington means Republicans selling out their conservative principles in order to appear nice on MSNBC,” he told a town-hall meeting at the Oro Valley Country Club.
Charged hyperbole defined as practiced by a populist moron.
Moving back to the incident, this absolutely is terrorism.
| 748 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:10am |
re: #741 Amory Blaine
Anyone have a list of the local right wing nutjob radio personalities in that part of AZ?
please…speculation means nothing
| 749 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:15am |
re: #737 Obdicut
But mostly I just hope that there isn’t any violence in the wake of this, regardless of the identity and affiliation of the shooter.
qft
| 750 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:34am |
re: #739 Thanos
Hinckley shot the President after the event. When you shoot several during a public event it’s more than just being crazy.
Or it has to do with the situation and opportunity. I’ve got quick theories, but guessing wrong adds to the harm.
| 751 |
Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:47am |
re: #746 Rightwingconspirator
How could a moderate earn that kind of anger?
By being a moderate in an immoderate time.
| 752 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:27:52am |
| 753 |
Meitantei Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:28:04am |
I’ll freely admit, I don’t want to assume it’s political just yet. Wait until the SOB is apprehended. Could after all be another pathetic scum seeking fame like Oswald was.
| 754 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:28:38am |
Watching the KOLD stream and they report that Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was killed during the shooting at a Safeway on Ina and Oracle.
755 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:28:41am |
And there you have it. Foxnews, are you happy now? Glenn Beck, is this your idea of a conservative uprising?? Bullits were shot. People died.
What a sad day.
| 756 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:28:43am |
re: #753 Meitantei
I’ll freely admit, I don’t want to assume it’s political just yet. Wait until the SOB is apprehended. Could after all be another pathetic scum seeking fame like Oswald was.
FYI… he has been apprehended.
| 757 |
wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:28:56am |
| 758 |
allegro Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:28:57am |
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
| 759 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:29:48am |
This ends the days of the casual meet and greet for our congress people, which is a big loss as well. I mean that’s the great thing about the congress. Accessible, far more than your Senator.
| 760 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:30:02am |
re: #758 allegro
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
Nicely played by Fox. The bastards are consistent.
| 761 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:30:05am |
re: #758 allegro
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
seems like a legit question…same thing the cops will ask
| 762 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:30:07am |
re: #758 allegro
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
Unbelievable.
| 763 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:30:22am |
re: #754 commadore183
Watching the KOLD stream and they report that Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was killed during the shooting at a Safeway on Ina and Oracle.
I’m watching that too. They also reported that they she’s still in surgery.
| 764 |
Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:31:09am |
re: #763 Gus 802
It would be wonderful if the initial reports were wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:31:27am |
re: #758 allegro
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
And do you think that is any more or less wrong then some of the stupid unconfirmed accusations that are going on here?
| 766 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:31:29am |
Apparently, no security staff at all on site, at a public event. OMG.
| 767 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:31:33am |
re: #758 allegro
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
Wow. Gearing up for a patsy already. They do like to create the narrative, but heaven forbid anyone else speculate what might be going on. As long as that speculation targets minorities it’s A OK.
| 769 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:31:51am |
| 770 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:31:54am |
well, since the guy has been pinned here as a Fox/Beck operative…I’ll mosey over to the football games…good work folks, to hell with the facts eh?
| 771 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:03am |
re: #764 Obdicut
It would be wonderful if the initial reports were wrong.
| 772 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:06am |
Tech question.
Could someone split up the pages please? So many reactions to this crime makes the page very slow. A 200 post limit to a page would be nice.
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mr.fusion Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:13am |
re: #764 Obdicut
MSNBC just had a Sheriff on……he said she’s in surgery.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:20am |
re: #763 Gus 802
Local radio in Philly KYW1060 Gifford is dead. This is very sad.
| 775 |
recusancy Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:25am |
tweet from yglesias:
Fun campaign event: “Help remove Gabrille Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly”yfrog.com
| 776 |
allegro Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:35am |
re: #765 Walter L. Newton
I see no accusations going on here. Are you seeing things?
| 777 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:32:46am |
re: #766 Rightwingconspirator
Apparently, no security staff at all on site, at a public event. OMG.
Fox reported that security was there and they returned fire hitting the suspect. No word on his injuries other than he is in custody.
| 778 |
wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:33:12am |
re: #766 Rightwingconspirator
Apparently, no security staff at all on site, at a public event. OMG.
Repost from Jaunte [this is from August]:
Town hall disruptions around the country have led to some outbreaks of violence. Unions participating in town halls have received death threats. At an event held by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) last week, the threat of violence led her aides to call the police after one attendee dropped a gun.“Yelling and screaming is counterproductive,” she told the Sierra Vista Herald at a Congress on Your Corner event last week. There, one visitor dropped a gun at the meet n’ greet held in a Douglas Safeway, her staff says.
That has aides, who called police to the event, concerned for her safety.“We have never felt the need before to notify law enforcement when we hold these events,” said spokesman C.J. Karamargin.
One of the callers to the Service Employees International Union said, “I suggest you tell your people to calm down, act like American citizens, and stop trying to repress people’s First Amendment rights… That, or you all are gonna come up against the Second Amendment.”
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:33:19am |
re: #761 albusteve
seems like a legit question…same thing the cops will ask
Here’s another legitimate question. Is the shooter a right wing nutjob that is driven by hateful rhetoric ?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:33:38am |
re: #772 William of Orange
Tech question.
Could someone split up the pages please? So many reactions to this crime makes the page very slow. A 200 post limit to a page would be nice.
I found that when I’m on Internet Explorer it does that at around 300+/- posts
I have been using FireFox for LGF for awhile now and don’t have that issue anymore
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:33:47am |
re: #771 Gus 802
There is hope, then. Not so much, but hope.
| 782 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:33:50am |
re: #758 allegro
Fucking Fox… said the shooter reportedly shouted something just before or when he shot. The announcer asks: Any word on what he said and in what language?
Probably English….
gawker.com
The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He was “not particularly well-dressed”; he didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.
| 784 |
Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:34:02am |
Between KT, Gus, Myself and a couple of others we could come up with quite a list of extremists in the PHX area, but you won’t see us do it because speculation just blows up in your face.
I don’t think it’s speculation to call it terrorism, regardless of whodunnit. Not terror due to reasons of insanity doesn’t fly with me since almost all terrorists who act on their notions are insane.
| 785 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:34:58am |
re: #776 allegro
I see no accusations going on here. Are you seeing things?
Speculation of Tea Party and/or Glen Beck and/or Sara Palin having the congresswoman “targeted” being the push that made the shooter do it
| 786 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:35:00am |
Who is the shooter?
re: #777 BigPapa
Well, that conflicts with other reports. With all due respect to the non believers around here, we at my home pray for the wounded to survive. And for the souls of the departed.
| 788 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:35:30am |
re: #776 allegro
I see no accusations going on here. Are you seeing things?
And there you have it. Foxnews, are you happy now? Glenn Beck, is this your idea of a conservative uprising?? Bullits were shot. People died.
And I am one who believes Glenn Beck should get a proper risk assessment, because he has 2 national microphones a day to spew his scary ideologies and his lies. I think he’s more dangerous than Van Jones or Bill Ayers could ever dream of being!
Wasn’t she in Palin “sights” on her little map?
(You want more?)
| 789 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:35:46am |
No official confirmation of Congresswoman Giffords’ death, but KOLD is reporting that she’s in surgery at University Medical Center at Tucson. There’s a press conference scheduled at 1:30 local time.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:35:57am |
On Twitter:
SamSifton Sam Sifton
Grim business. Giffords’ opponent held target-shooting events to “target” her during election. Daily Kos: dailykos.com
sigh.
I hope we find out that the shooter was just some crazy person and that their facebook/blog/twitter is not full of violent political rants from either side.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:36:06am |
re: #773 mr.fusion
MSNBC just had a Sheriff on…he said she’s in surgery.
NPR is now saying there’s conflicting info and MSNBC says she’s still alive in critical condition.
| 792 |
recusancy Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:36:18am |
re: #788 Walter L. Newton
Why do you bring up Van Jones with Bill Ayers?
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:36:27am |
re: #772 William of Orange
Tech question.
Could someone split up the pages please? So many reactions to this crime makes the page very slow. A 200 post limit to a page would be nice.
Switch to “spy” mode. Click on the magnifying glass between “donate” and “spinoff links” at the top.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:36:38am |
Come on guys and gals, let’s tone down the speculation to the motives.
| 795 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:37:01am |
re: #792 recusancy
Why do you bring up Van Jones with Bill Ayers?
Hey stupid head… go up thread and see who made those comments, they are not mine.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:37:48am |
CNN is also now saying that they are not sure if she has died or in surgery that there are too many conflicting stories.
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Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:38:14am |
Faux is still reporting that she’s dead.
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mr.fusion Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:38:29am |
re: #794 Varek Raith
Good call….don’t forget the “B” girl from the ‘08 campaign or the census worker who hung himself in TN
| 800 |
allegro Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:38:40am |
re: #785 sattv4u2
In my dictionary “speculation” and “accusation” are not synonymous or interchangeable. Of course people are going to speculate. It’s the direction that speculation takes - such as Fox asking “what language” - that one can find telling about the beliefs or agenda of the speculator.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:38:48am |
re: #796 webevintage
CNN is also now saying that they are not sure if she has died or in surgery that there are too many conflicting stories.
KOLD had spoke to a representative of the UMC where Congresswoman Giffords’ is at, and the rep said that she’s in surgery at this moment.
| 802 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:38:57am |
Congresswoman shot, alive in Arizona
TUCSON, AZ (RNN) -U.S. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, D-AZ, was shot at point-blank range at a public event in Tuscon, AZ.
Seven people were injured and four were killed in the incident.
According to Darci Slaten, University Medical Center public affairs officer, Gifford’s death has not been confirmed.
“She is alive and in surgery right now,” Slaten said.
Earlier, CNN and Fox News had both confirmed Giffords’ death.
The third-term congresswoman was reportedly shot in the head, according to the “Tuscon Citizen.”The shooting happened just after 10 a.m. at the Safeway on Ina and Oracle, Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Jason Ogan said.
The injured were taken to University Medical Center (UMC) in Tucson.
Darci Slaten confirmed that five to seven patients have been admitted.
Slaten said there were four fatalities, but would not confirm the identities.
Representative Giffords, D-Arizona, has served Arizona’s eighth district in Congress since 2007.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:38:58am |
| 804 |
mr.fusion Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:39:12am |
re: #791 marjoriemoon
NPR is now saying there’s conflicting info and MSNBC says she’s still alive in critical condition.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Someone from the Tucson Hospital just confirmed…..in surgery
| 806 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:40:24am |
We’re trying to track this minute-by-minute. There’s too much slack in the news stream.
| 807 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:40:25am |
re: #803 sattv4u2
So is NPR
[Link: www.npr.org…]
OMG , NPR is JUST like Fox!
NPR just changed it to “conflicting reports” but MSNBC is reporting she died, so I don’t know. I’m still praying.
| 808 |
Ericus58 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:40:37am |
Her poor children and husband.
As well as the families of those injured and killed.
A most tragic day.
I hope this will cause many to pause and reflect in their level of vitriol. On all sides and not just for today’s issue’s.
Words have impact.
| 809 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:40:49am |
re: #807 marjoriemoon
NPR just changed it to “conflicting reports” but MSNBC is reporting she died, so I don’t know. I’m still praying.
Did you get a hold of your mom?
| 810 |
scrodd Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:40:49am |
Sarah Palin is gonna be in bigger trouble for her “crosshairs” map - a map which happened to have Giffords’s name on it.
| 811 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:41:31am |
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
Did you get a hold of your mom?
I didn’t, but she goes to synagogue and out to lunch after so I’m assuming that’s where she is. She doesn’t keep her cell on. She should be home within the hour.
| 812 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:42:04am |
re: #807 marjoriemoon
NPR just changed it to “conflicting reports” but MSNBC is reporting she died, so I don’t know. I’m still praying.
Yes ,, some news orgs change faster than others, depending on THEIR sources
Did you locate your mom?
| 813 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:42:07am |
re: #811 marjoriemoon
I didn’t, but she goes to synagogue and out to lunch after so I’m assuming that’s where she is. She doesn’t keep her cell on. She should be home within the hour.
Let us know… just for the heck of it… when you know.. ok?
| 814 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:42:29am |
It should be noted that a gunshot wound to the head does not mean imminent death, it all depends on the caliber of the bullet and where the victim was shot at.
Right now, let’s wait until we heard confirmation from either the UMC or the Pima County Sheriffs Office as there’s way too much conflicting information about Giffords’ condition. At least, that’s what I’ll be doing.
| 816 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:42:43am |
| 817 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:42:43am |
re: #800 allegro
In my dictionary “speculation” and “accusation” are not synonymous or interchangeable. Of course people are going to speculate. It’s the direction that speculation takes - such as Fox asking “what language” - that one can find telling about the beliefs or agenda of the speculator.
Right. A democratic politician at a political rally is shot point blank in the head and we aren’t supposed to question who or why the fuck this happened. Yeah, it could be an illegal immigrant, and monkey might also fly out of my ass. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
| 818 |
mr.fusion Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:42:43am |
re: #810 scrodd
Sarah Palin is gonna be in bigger trouble for her “crosshairs” map - a map which happened to have Giffords’s name on it.
I’m not going to leap to any conclusions…..but damn that’s chilling
| 819 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43:15am |
University Medical Center will hold a press conference at 1:30 PM MST.
| 820 |
Meitantei Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43:19am |
Amid the concerns over whether she is alive or not, have we had a politician get murdered since RFK?
Jesus, this is scary. Hope for the best, not assume the worst.
| 821 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43:36am |
Gabrielle has come to her synagogue many times to speak and my mom adores her. LIke I say, she’s a voice of sanity in that crazy state. If the worst has happened, it would be an epic tragedy for so many people who love her and what she stands for.
| 822 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43:37am |
She and her husband hve two children. She is Jewish.
They like to hike.
| 823 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43:49am |
re: #813 Walter L. Newton
Let us know… just for the heck of it… when you know.. ok?
Will do and thanks for asking!
| 824 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:44:02am |
re: #818 mr.fusion
Chilling doesn’t begin to describe how I feel after seeing that. That is absolutely irresponsible, and people actually think she can win the presidency.
| 825 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:44:42am |
re: #772 William of Orange
I rarely speculate what Charles will post, but this time I’m really pretty sure this will have it’s own thread momentarily. He’s not logged in yet. Has anyone recommended any of these post to get his or the monitors attention?
| 826 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:44:42am |
re: #807 marjoriemoon
NPR just changed it to “conflicting reports” but MSNBC is reporting she died, so I don’t know. I’m still praying.
tell her she was in our prayers when you talk to her!
| 827 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:44:45am |
Still mixed messages. Some report of her death, others mention her condition is unknown or she’s in the operating theater.
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Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:45:30am |
re: #820 Meitantei
Amid the concerns over whether she is alive or not, have we had a politician get murdered since RFK?
Jesus, this is scary. Hope for the best, not assume the worst.
WestWingReport
If there is official confirmation of Giffords death - it would be the first killing of a member of Congress in 32 years
| 829 |
BishopX Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:45:36am |
re: #820 Meitantei
There was a state DNC chairman killed a few years a go. car bomb I think. Harvey milk was killed after rfk as well.
| 830 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:46:13am |
CNN “conflicting reports” on Giffords’ condition.
| 831 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:46:33am |
re: #817 Amory Blaine
What good comes of ill informed speculation?
| 832 |
Randall Gross Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:46:43am |
March last year
| 833 |
recusancy Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:46:45am |
| 834 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:47:03am |
re: #825 Rightwingconspirator
I rarely speculate what Charles will post, but this time I’m really pretty sure this will have it’s own thread momentarily. He’s not logged in yet. Has anyone recommended any of these post to get his or the monitors attention?
Yes including the crosshairs map.
| 835 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:47:11am |
We are free to speculate all we want. What should not be done is assume the speculation as fact and continue discussion from that point on before facts are confirmed.
I fully suspect rabid winger influence, that’s the most likely cause. Whether or not it’s true do not mean the speculation is unwarranted, only that it was incorrect.
| 837 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:48:05am |
re: #820 Meitantei
A congressman was killed in this incident-Remember Jim Jones?
| 839 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:48:27am |
She only twittered 2 hours ago telling how eager she was to go the Concress on the corner event….
What a sad day.
| 840 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:48:37am |
re: #835 BigPapa
We are free to speculate all we want. What should not be done is assume the speculation as fact and continue discussion from that point on before facts are confirmed.
I fully suspect rabid winger influence, that’s the most likely cause. Whether or not it’s true do not mean the speculation is unwarranted, only that it was incorrect.
I agree. I don’t think the speculation I’ve seen so far has been outrageous or unfounded.
| 841 |
Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:48:59am |
This is just so fucked up. What a horrible Saturday morning.
| 842 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:49:14am |
Faux now reporting “alive in critical condition.”
| 844 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:50:01am |
re: #841 Stanley Sea
This is just so fucked up. What a horrible Saturday morning.
and here i’d just gone and gotten my hair cut to look nice for you;)
| 845 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:50:26am |
re: #844 Aceofwhat?
and here i’d just gone and gotten my hair cut to look nice for you;)
I’m still interested.
| 847 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:51:02am |
“I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country.” — John Boehner
| 848 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:51:47am |
| 849 |
webevintage Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:51:55am |
re: #829 BishopX
There was a state DNC chairman killed a few years a go. car bomb I think. Harvey milk was killed after rfk as well.
Our state DNC chair, Bill Gwatney, was killed by being shot point blank in the offices of the Arkansas Dem offices in Little Rock. 2008.
| 850 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:52:33am |
| 851 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:52:36am |
| 852 |
BishopX Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:53:18am |
re: #814 commadore183
A former ER doc on the scene said that She was able to move her hands after being shot. Presumably that means she was conscious and her spinal colum wasn’t severed.
| 853 |
Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:53:22am |
re: #844 Aceofwhat?
and here i’d just gone and gotten my hair cut to look nice for you;)
OK, I’m half better now. Thanks Ace!
| 855 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:54:20am |
In case there are those that want to watch the local news coverage:
Just click the “Streaming Live” banner at the top.
| 856 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:55:23am |
re: #850 Walter L. Newton
I don’t pay for sex.
dude, dinner barely gets you a cuddle. i have standards.
| 857 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:55:25am |
KOLD: reports of an aide to Giffords has died.
| 858 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:55:33am |
re: #840 Killgore Trout
I agree. I don’t think the speculation I’ve seen so far has been outrageous or unfounded.
No matter what happens there should be no moment to grab pitchforks. The last thing I want to see is charged rhetoric attacking conservatives who have irresponsibly wielded charged rhetoric. It perpetuates the football team mentality.
When somebody stated the RW blogs showed concern it may be one of their own that actually gave me hope. I would hope that they would own it and come to their senses about their rhetoric, political maps with scope sights on it, all the imagery about ‘taking our country back’ and ‘fighting’ and other assorted terms. It’s a really bad situation and I don’t know if we’re capable of moving past it.
| 859 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:56:16am |
re: #857 commadore183
KOLD: reports of an aide to Giffords has died.
Just heard that. This is very confusing at this point. Guess we’ll get the final confirmation during the press conference.
| 860 |
BishopX Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:56:16am |
re: #847 Gus 802
Good for him. I’m not normally in favor of demanding that moderates preface everything they say with condemnations of extremists, but I feel like a whole bunch of people need to stand up and say shit like this isn’t okay.
861 |
HAL2010 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:56:37am |
Dont know if this has been posted but here goes.
| 862 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:57:20am |
re: #855 commadore183
In case there are those that want to watch the local news coverage:
[Link: www.kold.com…]
Just click the “Streaming Live” banner at the top.
Good link. Thank you.
| 863 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:57:36am |
re: #861 HAL2010
Yeah, that was posted a while ago, but the more people get to see it the better. Thanks for posting it. It’s absolutely disgraceful.
| 864 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:57:42am |
re: #861 HAL2010
DCdebbie tweets:
4 of the 5 top Twitter Tweets on Gifford’s assassination reference Sarah Palin’s map.
| 865 |
Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:57:49am |
Fast action.
SarahPAC is down and takebackthe20.com where the a gun scope was on Gifford’s district has been scrubbed.
| 866 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:58:18am |
re: #862 marjoriemoon
No problem. Hope you get in touch of your mother.
| 867 |
Political Atheist Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:58:35am |
re: #865 Stanley Sea
Good. Leaving it up would just be terrible.
| 868 |
HAL2010 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:58:46am |
| 869 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:59:16am |
re: #851 sattv4u2
In him,, or his hair?
it is a nice haircut. i found a locally owned shop…sat down, and she said “would you like a beer”? nicer words have hardly been uttered in a hair cuttery.
to make sure that i heard her correctly, i asked if she meant that i could order one during the haircut. she said no, ordering was not necessary; the price of the haircut included one beer.
needless to say, i’m now a customer for life.
(she also did a great job cutting, so apparently they aren’t sipping beers themselves while they’re not cutting hair…although in retrospect, i probably should have made more certain of that fact before i let her pull out the straight razor…)
| 871 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:59:31am |
re: #865 Stanley Sea
Whoa! It’s still there!
Your text to link…
| 872 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:59:41am |
re: #856 Aceofwhat?
dude, dinner barely gets you a cuddle. i have standards.
I was wondering what you got for Christmas
Good to see it was something you needed and didn’t already have!
873 |
CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:59:45am |
re: #865 Stanley Sea
Fast action.
SarahPAC is down and takebackthe20.com where the a gun scope was on Gifford’s district has been scrubbed.
I’m sure it wasn’t fast enough. No doubt there were many screenshots taken.
| 874 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:00:09pm |
re: #858 BigPapa
I agree. The problem is that when acts of terrorism like the incendiary packages earlier this week or a political assassination like this the conspiracies and overblown rhetoric from Alex Jones and Fox News become an issue. They’ve been playing with fire and have refused all warnings about dangerous incitement. We’ve been very lucky so far.
| 875 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:00:11pm |
re: #865 Stanley Sea
Fast action.
SarahPAC is down and takebackthe20.com where the a gun scope was on Gifford’s district has been scrubbed.
| 876 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:01:04pm |
A quick reminder that the Pima County Sheriffs Office will have a press conference on the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and 11 others at 1:30 MST (a half hour from now).
| 877 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:01:06pm |
re: #872 sattv4u2
I was wondering what you got for Christmas
Good to see it was something you needed and didn’t already have!
touché
| 878 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:01:22pm |
re: #869 Aceofwhat?
it is a nice haircut. i found a locally owned shop…sat down, and she said “would you like a beer”? nicer words have hardly been uttered in a hair cuttery.
to make sure that i heard her correctly, i asked if she meant that i could order one during the haircut. she said no, ordering was not necessary; the price of the haircut included one beer.
needless to say, i’m now a customer for life.
(she also did a great job cutting, so apparently they aren’t sipping beers themselves while they’re not cutting hair…although in retrospect, i probably should have made more certain of that fact before i let her pull out the straight razor…)
A barber shop with a liquor license? COOL!
(umm, unless, of course, they don’t HAVE a license, in which case ,, shhhhhh!!!!!!))
| 879 |
HAL2010 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:01:27pm |
“Help us prescribe the solution”
With crosshairs. Is anyone really surprised?
Its from the Take Back the 20 website.
| 880 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:01:48pm |
re: #875 Gus 802
“We’ve diagnosed the problem…” “Help us prescribe the solution.”
Totally fucked up.
| 881 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:01:58pm |
re: #866 commadore183
No problem. Hope you get in touch of your mother.
Thanks. I’m not all that worried, I mean, if my mom was at the rally. She most likely was not and I just googled the location of that Safeway and it’s not in my mom’s area, but I sure would feel better if I heard from her.
| 882 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:02:08pm |
re: #878 sattv4u2
A barber shop with a liquor license? COOL!
(umm, unless, of course, they don’t HAVE a license, in which case ,, shhh!!!))
the license is only required to sell them…they are allowed to give them away.
| 883 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:02:26pm |
re: #882 Aceofwhat?
the license is only required to sell them…they are allowed to give them away.
wow,, cool again
| 884 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:02:26pm |
886 |
bluecheese Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:02:54pm |
re: #879 HAL2010
we also have her brilliant tweet;
Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: “Don’t Retreat, Instead – RELOAD!
| 888 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:03:45pm |
re: #886 bluecheese
I can not WAIT to hear what that twit tweets about this.
| 889 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:03:58pm |
re: #883 sattv4u2
wow,, cool again
right? locally owned, $16, nice décor, nice people, beer, and a quality haircut. i’ll never go anywhere else.
| 890 |
HAL2010 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:04:06pm |
re: #886 bluecheese
Well here’s hoping she is happy about the atmosphere she has helped create.
| 891 |
Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:04:25pm |
re: #889 Aceofwhat?
right? locally owned, $16, nice décor, nice people, beer, and a quality haircut. i’ll never go anywhere else.
Need photo.
892 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:04:34pm |
Hey Angle, this is what your “Second Amendment solution” looks like, you evil piece of trash.
re: #865 Stanley Sea
Fast action.
SarahPAC is down and takebackthe20.com where the a gun scope was on Gifford’s district has been scrubbed.
Freerepublic is down too. Conservative bloggers are afraid they can’t control their own posters.
| 893 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:04:48pm |
re: #881 marjoriemoon
Thanks. I’m not all that worried, I mean, if my mom was at the rally. She most likely was not and I just googled the location of that Safeway and it’s not in my mom’s area, but I sure would feel better if I heard from her.
You probably will… “Honey… you never call anymore… what did I do wrong? Didn’t you like that chicken I knitted for you for Hanukkah? You never call… you want I should call you… don’t feel guilty… I don’t want you to feel guilty… ok… I’ll hang up now… even thought I wasn’t finished talking…”
| 894 |
researchok Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:05:24pm |
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona.
On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.
- Sarah Palin
| 896 |
webevintage Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:06:13pm |
Palin on Facebook
facebook.com
Quick, before the comments are scrubbed…..
| 897 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:06:18pm |
Sarah’s Facebook page.
On the tragedy in Arizona
by Sarah Palin on Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 3:02pmMy sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona.
On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.
- Sarah Palin
Really, Sarah? REALLY?? That despicable lying woman.
| 899 |
Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:06:48pm |
joanwalsh
Her father Spencer Giffords, 75, wept when asked if his daughter had any enemies. “Yeah,” he told NYPost. “The whole tea party.”
| 900 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:06:55pm |
| 902 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:07:28pm |
How’s this for a comment?
How was he shot? By the mexicans the president of his poltiical party wants to flood into America?
Feel the love people, feel the love.
| 903 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:07:30pm |
10 minutes ago.
| 904 |
BishopX Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:07:34pm |
re: #897 marjoriemoon
She needs to say it. Even if she doesn’t really believe it, she needs to say it.
| 905 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:07:45pm |
re: #897 marjoriemoon
Sarah’s Facebook page.
Really, Sarah? REALLY?? That despicable lying woman.
Sorry, but you think she’s HAPPY someone got shot (and possibly killed?)
| 906 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:07:51pm |
| 907 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:08:14pm |
re: #865 Stanley Sea
Fast action.
SarahPAC is down and takebackthe20.com where the a gun scope was on Gifford’s district has been scrubbed.
Fucking cowardly scum.
| 908 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:08:21pm |
re: #904 BishopX
She needs to say it. Even if she doesn’t really believe it, she needs to say it.
Maybe she should post the crosshair map too then to show us how sincere she really is.
909 |
Locker Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:08:33pm |
That bucket head at Red State is getting out in front of the ball crying about how the left is using this for political reasons. Maybe he figures he’ll just say it before it happens and get the ball rolling to prove his own statement.
| 911 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:09:08pm |
Here’s a post on Palin’s Facebook page. This guy is my hero.
Dominic Prado: praying is not enough, repent for all the malice you spread.
| 913 |
bluecheese Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:09:22pm |
re: #905 sattv4u2
Sorry, but you think she’s HAPPY someone got shot (and possibly killed?)
idk…. but i wish that she would back the fuck off her her insane rhetoric from here on out.
| 914 |
Gus Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:09:23pm |
OK So they just said one of her aides died. That might have been confused earlier as “aide reports that Giffords has died.”
| 915 |
HAL2010 Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:09:39pm |
re: #905 sattv4u2
Sorry, but you think she’s HAPPY someone got shot (and possibly killed?)
I think this may very well be a consequence of the vile rhetoric that (amongst others) Sarah Palin has been using. And now she feels sorry for her?
Bit late for that I’m afraid.
| 916 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:10:04pm |
re: #905 sattv4u2
Sorry, but you think she’s HAPPY someone got shot (and possibly killed?)
Advocating violence against the Congress? How am I to know if she’s happy or not?
littlegreenfootballs.com
| 917 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:11:10pm |
re: #879 HAL2010
“Help us prescribe the solution”
With crosshairs. Is anyone really surprised?
Its from the Take Back the 20 website.
I think their server is smoking. “Internam server error 500”.
| 918 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:11:20pm |
Another good one…
Lee McLeary: I know this will be deleted but I have to say it - you cannot flippantly talk about “reloading” and putting people on your TARGET list and not expect some nut to take you literally. This is on you partially whether you like it or not.
| 919 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:11:57pm |
| 920 |
BigPapa Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:12:49pm |
re: #874 Killgore Trout
I agree. The problem is that when acts of terrorism like the incendiary packages earlier this week or a political assassination like this the conspiracies and overblown rhetoric from Alex Jones and Fox News become an issue. They’ve been playing with fire and have refused all warnings about dangerous incitement. We’ve been very lucky so far.
I think accountability needs to be brought to bear with great vigor. Yet if that effort to ply accountability is wielded as sloppy as the wingers have done with their hyperbole then they’ll just dig in an play the victims and it will perpetuate the problem if not making it worse.
We need moderate conservatives from within to make the stand and the rest of us need to support them. All 83 of them.
| 921 |
Kid Hail Satan Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:14:20pm |
And this from Palin’s facebook page..
Michael Collier: Im sorry but I am betting this was some left wing nut who loves obama and wears chev rivera shirts. I pray for her and all the victims of this. This is the payback we get for our TPARTY adhearing to peacful means of rejecting the comminust infiltrationof our country. Stand ready countrymen, this is just the beginning..
| 922 |
William of Orange Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:15:02pm |
re: #917 William of Orange
I think their server is smoking. “Internam server error 500”.
Internal….
Meanwhile, in a link posted above the same sick picture is posted.
An assassination?…
Really, really…… really sick.
| 923 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:18:19pm |
re: #891 Stanley Sea
Need photo.
nevermind, i’m an idiot, this is my old laptop (no webcam). my nic is blue if you want an email, though!
| 924 |
Fear the Blah People Sat, Jan 8, 2011 12:32:46pm |
re: #923 Aceofwhat?
Not working. My crappy laptop probably.
925 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 9, 2011 5:01:26am |
re: #440 ggt
So, you want to legislate free speech? If you don’t like what someone is saying, don’t listen. If you don’t like the books someone gives you, don’t read them.
?
Not legislating free speech is not possible. There is no absolute free speech, nor should there be. Libel and slander, state secrets, underage porn and quite a lot of other speech is limited or prohibited. The question is only about the boundaries of legislation, not about the fact of legislation.
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