Video: What the Ice Cores Tell Us, and How Deniers Distort It

Greenland vs. Antarctica

Peter Sinclair’s newest is a look at how climate change deniers distort and misrepresent the climatic evidence from Antarctic ice cores, by falsely comparing them to Greenland ice records.

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I mean absolutely no disrespect to Dr. Richard Alley and his groundbreaking work, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t note his resemblance to Jerry Lewis in The Nutty Professor.

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1 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:19:06pm

That’s Jerry Lewis as Professor Julius Kelp, not as Buddy Love.

2 bratwurst  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:21:04pm

Care to wager how many posts until “this winter has been SO bad, how could there POSSIBLY be such a thing as global warming?”

3 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:21:26pm

Imagine if the time, energy, and money spent spreading anti-science propaganda were instead devoted to new energy and sustainability research.

4 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:22:46pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Care to wager how many posts until “this winter has been SO bad, how could there POSSIBLY be such a thing as global warming?”

We actually don’t see that here much. However, something about Al Gore will appear within 100 comments.

5 bratwurst  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:25:22pm

re: #4 Renaissance_Man

We actually don’t see that here much. However, something about Al Gore will appear within 100 comments.

Oh, there is at least one old time LGFer who doesn’t understand the difference between weather and climate.

6 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:43:40pm

Sinclair and Potholer are rock stars. I give Sinclair $ when I can.

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:45:09pm

re: #4 Renaissance_Man

We actually don’t see that here much. However, something about Al Gore will appear within 100 comments.

I will mention Al Gore in the following context: he thought he could retire from politics and embrace the cause of climate change objectively.

But his very role as an advocate of action against climate change turned out as a major impetus to rally rabid support for AGW activists.

And how about all them bizzards this winter, anyhoo?

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:45:48pm

In Moscow a former road cop committed a suicide by a grenade. He drove near a shop and offered the people to record what happens with their phonecams or to get away so as not to get hurt. Then he exploded. Crazy.

9 Kid A  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:54:57pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Care to wager how many posts until “this winter has been SO bad, how could there POSSIBLY be such a thing as global warming?”

Three years ago I would’ve been one of those people. Thanks to LGF and other resources, I can happily declare that I’m a recovering denier.

10 Kid A  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:57:32pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Imagine if the time, energy, and money spent spreading anti-science propaganda were instead devoted to new energy and sustainability research.

Because it’s much more productive to pander to your base to raise money by pushing the klimate change konspiracy.
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11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:57:46pm

re: #9 Kid A

Never a denier, I at first didn’t give a shit, then was kinda wondering what the consensus was, alternating between the good sites and sites like Junk Science. I don’t really remember at what point my view solidified.

12 Kid A  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:59:52pm

re: #11 Sergey Romanov

Never a denier, I at first didn’t give a shit, then was kinda wondering what the consensus was, alternating between the good sites and sites like Junk Science. I don’t really remember at what point my view solidified.

Yeah, that would describe me as well. I never said “This climate change stuff is rubbish,” I just didn’t think about it all that much. Now, my curiosity is much stronger, and I understand thie issue much better.

13 Kid A  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:27:55pm

Harpy, you are one in a million, I tell you that.
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14 samgak  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:49:15pm

Thanks for posting this. It’s getting quite hard to find good resources to debunk or fact-check anti-GW propaganda, because the Internet is so swamped with it and any Google search seems to return hundreds of anti-GW sites all repeating the same thing.

A lot of anti-GW stuff seems superficially plausible, if you take their data at face value. I think that’s why so many otherwise smart people fall for it. It’s often not so much that there are flaws in the reasoning that a smart person should be able to see through on the face of it, it’s that they are plain lying and misrepresenting data. That can be a lot harder to check. Many pro-GW sources originate in the MSM or government and are dumbed down for public consumption, so it can be hard to find the data you need to debunk the nonsense.

15 S'latch  Sun, Feb 27, 2011 7:47:10am

I can’t figure out why Peter Sinclair says, at 10:16, that “The changes are local, not global, as climate deniers would have you believe.”

Wouldn’t climate deniers have you believe just the opposite, that the changes are local, not global?

Are the scientists not saying that the changes are global, not local?

Did Peter Sinclair mean to say that “The changes are global, not local, as climate deniers would have you believe.”

I am rather confused by this apparent contradiction. (I am not engaging in climate denial. I am just confused by what I expected Peter Sinclair to say at that point and what it appears that he said.)

16 copernic  Mon, Feb 28, 2011 8:43:02am

Ice core sampling, oddly enough is as ripe for humor as anything else. Sometimes the only major controversy in this topic is about who’s next up for kitchen duty in these isolated labs.

Study: Researchers discover that they can’t stand each other

17 copernic  Mon, Feb 28, 2011 8:47:22am

re: #15 Lawrence Schmerel

The issue here is that climate deniers have pointed to higher temperatures in Greenland ice cores and decried that this local data is indicative of higher global temperatures in the past. What Sinclair is saying is that 1) higher historical temps in Greenland were countered by lower temps in the southern hemisphere, and 2) One must look at the average temperature readings from multiple lines of evidence. When you do that, while Greenland may have demonstrated higher average temps, the global temps were much lower.
It is the same as someone saying that because it was a bit colder in New England this year, global climate change is a hoax, particularly since average global temperatures might be much higher. Local does not mean global.

18 S'latch  Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:44:06am

re: #17 copernic

“… climate deniers have pointed to higher temperatures in Greenland ice cores and decried that this local data is indicative of higher global temperatures in the past.”

So, that is why Peter Sinclair says, at 10:16, that “The changes are local, not global, as climate deniers would have you believe.”

Peter Sinclair is talking about higher historical temps in Greenland, and, as you say, “while Greenland may have demonstrated higher average temps, the global temps were much lower.”

Thank you for taking the time to clear that up for me.


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