Gov. Christie Claims Fox News Chief Roger Ailes As ‘Confidential Adviser’

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Another day, another sign that Fox News is the media arm of the Republican Party. Gawker has discovered that New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has a very interesting “confidential adviser” — Fox chairman Roger Ailes. The reason why Christie is designating Ailes as an “adviser?” So their communications can remain secret.

The office of Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey is claiming that Fox News chairman Roger Ailes is a confidential adviser whose interactions with the governor should remain secret under New Jersey’s executive privilege.
Last month, after New York magazine reported that Ailes met with Christie last summer and called him this year to urge him to run for president, Gawker filed a request under New Jersey’s Open Records Act seeking any correspondence between the two men, as well as any records of meetings or phone calls with Ailes from Christie’s schedule or call logs.

Last week we received a rather surprising response: While declining to confirm the existence of any such records, Christie’s office said they “would be exempt from disclosure…based upon the executive privilege and well-settled case law.” In other words, Christie’s staff refused to search for any records—which, given the undisputed reports of a dinner and phone call, almost certainly exist—on the basis that Ailes is a confidential adviser whose comments should be shielded from public scrutiny.

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170 comments
1 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 1:53:27pm

Fair and balanced!

2 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 1:58:09pm

Clearly satire.

3 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:01:15pm

It was obviously never a secret that Ailes, who spent most of his career as a communications guru to right-wing politicians, is still a communications guru to right-wing politicians. But it’s strange to see it spelled out in writing.

And most of us will not see the forest for the trees on this.

This deeply unsettling. Taken in context with Citizens United it does not bode well.

4 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:01:33pm

So, what we’ve got here is a borderline rage-oholic being advised by a paranoid ideologue.

No wonder they want to keep what was said secret.

5 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:05:31pm

I’d quote Ben Franklin on how three can keep a secret, but it might be misinterpreted.

6 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:06:14pm

Hey as long as their weren’t sexting…

7 BishopX  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:06:20pm

re: #3 BigPapa

It’s the same stuff Cheney was doing in 2001. Citizens United just makes it worse.

8 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:07:32pm

Is this even legal? I guess you’d have to prove that Ailes used Fox resources to give his client free promotion.

9 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:08:39pm

wait, he’s going the ‘executive privilege’ route? Seems to me that just using the term evokes shadows he really doesn’t want to deal with.

10 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:09:07pm

Just posted an article on Ethanol subsides not being renewed. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:09:41pm

If it seems like I’m ignoring Andrew Breitbart’s latest stunt (crashing the Netroots conference) it’s because I am.

Oops. I guess I’m not ignoring it if I comment about it. OK, but just this once. Because this was so predictable it’s just tedious.

12 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:11:21pm

re: #11 Charles

If it seems like I’m ignoring Andrew Breitbart’s latest stunt (crashing the Netroots conference) it’s because I am.

Oops. I guess I’m not ignoring it if I comment about it. OK, but just this once. Because this was so predictable it’s just tedious.

Refusing to credential him as a journalist was a nice touch, though.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:12:14pm

ssshhh… don’t tell anybody… I’m rigging the Twitter counter again…

14 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:13:54pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Is this even legal? I guess you’d have to prove that Ailes used Fox resources to give his client free promotion.

Probably a dozen (or so) ways why it is (legal)

If they don’t meet/ talk while Ailes is in his “FOX” office, or Christie in the governors mansion
As long as they don’t agree on some quid=pro-quo deal (i.e. Chrsitie getting discounted ad space or preferential time slots on FOX affiliates come campaign time)

What ,,, you think this is the `1st Media Big Wig/ Politician Alliance !?!?!


((cough copugh Jefferey Immelt/ Barack Obama cough cough)))

15 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:14:24pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Is this even legal? I guess you’d have to prove that Ailes used Fox resources to give his client free promotion.

beats me…these people buy and sell each other constantly…the lines between political advantage and MSM agenda is pretty well blurred

16 freetoken  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:15:21pm

re: #10 PhillyPretzel

Certainly a worthwhile topic, though I’d be more circumspect than copying a whole article that is labeled “for subscribers only”.

17 darthstar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:16:56pm

re: #11 Charles

If it seems like I’m ignoring Andrew Breitbart’s latest stunt (crashing the Netroots conference) it’s because I am.

Oops. I guess I’m not ignoring it if I comment about it. OK, but just this once. Because this was so predictable it’s just tedious.

Breitbart went to Netroots Nation? Well, I’m sure he was welcomed with open arms…

18 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:16:57pm

Citizens United & Roger Ailes = proving once again that all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

19 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:17:02pm

re: #16 freetoken
I put that note on it because that was the only way I could get it.

20 freetoken  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:18:11pm

I always wondered why Gov. Christie had, apparently, so many supporters around the country and why he has become the center of attention.

Knowing that Ailes is communications guy… I think it all makes sense now. Ailes has been pimping Christie through the usual means, and as expected the crowd has been following.

21 MarkAM  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:22:17pm

Immelt and Ailes are not equivalent. Immelt is the CEO of a company that owns a network. Ailes is the president of a “news’ organization. Huge difference.

While it may be legal for Ailes to play and advisory role, I have my doubts about the executive privilege claim, although I’m not familiar with the New Jersey statute.

re: #14 sattv4u2

Probably a dozen (or so) ways why it is (legal)

If they don’t meet/ talk while Ailes is in his “FOX” office, or Christie in the governors mansion
As long as they don’t agree on some quid=pro-quo deal (i.e. Chrsitie getting discounted ad space or preferential time slots on FOX affiliates come campaign time)

What ,,, you think this is the `1st Media Big Wig/ Politician Alliance !?!?!

((cough copugh Jefferey Immelt/ Barack Obama cough cough)))

22 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:24:18pm

re: #7 BishopX

It’s the same stuff Cheney was doing in 2001. Citizens United just makes it worse.

Yah I remember coziness but not this clear of a relationship.

FOX NEWS BOSS AILES TO BE INDICTED?

23 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:26:00pm

re: #14 sattv4u2


((cough copugh Jefferey Immelt/ Barack Obama cough cough)))

Balance Fairy wielding the Sceptre of Equivalence. Immelt is not Ailes.

24 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:26:20pm

re: #21 MarkAM

Immelt and Ailes are not equivalent. Immelt is the CEO of a company that owns a network. Ailes is the president of a “news’ organization. Huge difference.

While it may be legal for Ailes to play and advisory role, I have my doubts about the executive privilege claim, although I’m not familiar with the New Jersey statute.

So Immelt has no sway, no pull at media side of of the “company that owns a newtork”
(and please look at the attached list,, it’s much more than ‘a network’)

You really want to try to argue that? Really??

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:26:59pm

re: #21 MarkAM

Immelt is the CEO of a company that owns a network (which owns a gigantic news network). Ailes is the president of a “news’ organization. Huge Little difference.

26 BishopX  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:27:31pm

re: #21 MarkAM

NJ.com has an article up which discusses the claims of executive privledge:

It’s not unusual for New Jersey governors to claim exemptions from the Open Public Records Law (known as OPRA) under executive privilege.

Former Gov. Jon Corzine used executive privilege to withhold emails between him and Carla Katz, a former girlfriend and union attorney. Christie claimed executive privilege involving records about the failed Race to the Top application, but ultimately turned many of them over when threatened with a subpoena by lawmakers.

Seems like this is par for the course.

27 MarkAM  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:27:50pm

I stand by it. Ailes is directly involved in the day-to-day operations of Fox news and in fact oversees it. Not the same thing at all.

28 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:27:52pm

re: #23 BigPapa

Balance Fairy wielding the Sceptre of Equivalence. Immelt is not Ailes.

see #24,

And saying “Balance Fairy” does not negate the fact of Immelts
A) power
and
B) access to the President

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:28:23pm

re: #23 BigPapa

Precisely what I was talking about yesterday.

Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn.

30 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:29:08pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Precisely what I was talking about yesterday.

Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn.


I was thinking of you (and what you posted yesterday) when I was typing it

31 BishopX  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:29:33pm

re: #22 BigPapa

I was speaking more about the energy task force…but yeah.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:29:54pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When done by the right it is MBF.

When done by left it’s “well, that’s different.”

33 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:30:25pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

see #24,

And saying “Balance Fairy” does not negate the fact of Immelts
A) power
and
B) access to the President

And where is the comparative record of Immelt’s comments and networks under Immelt’s sphere of influence having a record of bias?

Ride this one out.

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:31:00pm

re: #27 MarkAM

I stand by it. Ailes is directly involved in the day-to-day operations of Fox news and in fact oversees it. Not the same thing at all.

Immelt hires and fires the guys that oversee NBC.

35 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:31:03pm

OK the Immelt thing totally baffles me.

People would have better luck going back to Soros.

36 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:31:33pm

these people operate in a elitist netherworld way over our heads…executive privilege is a bump in the road…just go around or over it

37 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:31:59pm

re: #27 MarkAM

I stand by it. Ailes is directly involved in the day-to-day operations of Fox news and in fact oversees it. Not the same thing at all.

And Immelt is relatively sane. Ailes is a meltdown waiting to happen.

38 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:32:04pm

{sigh}

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:32:14pm

All the power guys have their dark sekrit overlords.

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:32:39pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

HOLY FUCK, BATMAN!

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:32:46pm

re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All the power guys have their dark sekrit overlords.

Ah, but who controls the dark sekrit overlords?

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:33:13pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, but who controls the dark sekrit overlords?

A guy named Eddie.

43 MarkAM  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:33:17pm

False equivalence and as Big Papa pointed out, where’s the evidence of bias and agenda or influencing the content at NBC when it comes to Immelt. It’s abundant when it comes to Ailes.

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Immelt hires and fires the guys that oversee NBC.

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:34:07pm

SONOFABITCH!

45 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:34:21pm

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A guy named Eddie.

Geezz ,, and I owe him twenty bucks!

46 allegro  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:34:49pm

re: #43 MarkAM

False equivalence and as Big Papa pointed out, where’s the evidence of bias and agenda or influencing the content at NBC when it comes to Immelt. It’s abundant when it comes to Ailes.

Has Obama claimed Immelt is one of his advisors?

47 BishopX  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:35:33pm

The New York Magazine published an article on 5/22 talking about Ailes’s aspirations to be a republican kingmaker. I think it got some play here. In this article (which is a very good), there are a few more details about some of the meeting:

A few months ago, Ailes called Chris Christie and encouraged him to jump into the race. Last summer, he’d invited Christie to dinner at his upstate compound along with Rush Limbaugh, and like much of the GOP Establishment, he fell hard for Christie, who nevertheless politely turned down Ailes’s calls to run.

48 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:35:57pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist
Reminds me of, “Who will guard the guardians?”

49 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:36:29pm

re: #46 allegro

Has Obama claimed Immelt is one of his advisors?

Huh !?!?

[Link: www.ibtimes.com…]

Immelt, chairman of President Barack Obama’s Jobs and Competitiveness Council,

Whats that called,, , an,, umm,, ADVISOR perhaps !?!?

nnaaahhhh

50 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:36:57pm

{sigh}

51 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:37:24pm

re: #50 sattv4u2

quit doing that :p

52 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:37:46pm

Blockquote>Last summer, he’d invited Christie to dinner at his upstate compound along with Rush Limbaugh, and like much of the GOP Establishment, he fell hard for Christie, who nevertheless politely turned down Ailes’s calls to run.

I call BS. Christie and politeness have, by all indications, never met.

53 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:38:03pm

re: #51 windsagio

quit doing that :p

would you prefer I burp
,,, or fart!?!?!

54 blueraven  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:38:16pm

re: #21 MarkAM

Immelt and Ailes are not equivalent. Immelt is the CEO of a company that owns a network. Ailes is the president of a “news’ organization. Huge difference.

While it may be legal for Ailes to play and advisory role, I have my doubts about the executive privilege claim, although I’m not familiar with the New Jersey statute.

The new joint venture, dubbed NBCUniversal, LLC, is 51% owned by Comcast (CMCSA, Fortune 500) and 49% owned by GE (GE, Fortune 500). Comcast will manage the company.

55 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:38:54pm

re: #52 makeitstop

Blockquote>Last summer, he’d invited Christie to dinner at his upstate compound along with Rush Limbaugh, and like much of the GOP Establishment, he fell hard for Christie, who nevertheless politely turned down Ailes’s calls to run.

I call BS. Christie and politeness have, by all indications, never met.

why do you hate Christie so much…how is he much different than any other pol?

56 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:39:38pm

re: #55 albusteve

that’s a jump :p

57 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:41:02pm

re: #54 blueraven

NBCUniversal, LLC,

That is one SMALL part of the NBC family

Again, look at the list (under MEDIA)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

58 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:41:13pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

No, it’s not called an adviser.

59 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:42:01pm

{sigh}

(((sorry, wind)))

60 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:42:18pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

What point are you actually trying to make? Are you actually trying to claim that NBC and its subsidiaries are connected to the Democrats in the same way that Fox is connected to the GOP?

61 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:43:02pm

re: #55 albusteve

why do you hate Christie so much…how is he much different than any other pol?

I don’t like him very much, that’s true. The guy is a boor, an elitist and I wake up every morning thankful that he’s not my governor after seeing the shape Jersey is in.

But ‘hate?’ Nah. ‘Wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire’ is probably closer to it.

62 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:43:02pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Try to show that the guy does any direction of NBC’s editorial stance at all :p “CEO of the Parent company” isn’t nearly enough on its own.

63 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:43:06pm

And as expected no continuance of the debate. Just a quick superficial equivalence and let’s move on. That’s what happens in AGW ‘debates,’ ironically, on Fox News. Cast doubt, blunt thorough examination or discussion, cloud the issue. Good job.

So I guess I’ll leave and go do some work.

64 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:43:31pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

the problem being that you don’t say what you’re pretending to sigh about, so its just kind of general condescension :p

65 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:44:54pm

re: #64 windsagio

the problem being that you don’t say what you’re pretending to sigh about, so its just kind of general condescension :p

Just tired,, and hurting ,,,

long day(s)

Didn’t know I had to ‘splain every {sigh}, or that my {sigh}s would even be noticed

66 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:45:16pm

re: #60 Obdicut

What point are you actually trying to make? Are you actually trying to claim that NBC and its subsidiaries are connected to the Democrats in the same way that Fox is connected to the GOP?

I don’t know Satt. He never really comes out and says what he means, just sorta feigns and parries with equivalents and wise cracks.

Sorta the same thing Fox does regularly.

But I have work to do so I’ll come back in a few hours and see if this went anywhere. I’d love to see this Ailes/Immelt comparison.

67 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:46:08pm

re: #65 sattv4u2

mmhmm, I bet :P

I for my part are just trying to break through your schtick to whatever it is is actually underneath :P

68 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:46:33pm

re: #67 windsagio

but we’ll have to play later, its warm enough for my walk now.

69 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:46:41pm

re: #63 BigPapa

And as expected no continuance of the debate. Just a quick superficial equivalence and let’s move on. That’s what happens in AGW ‘debates,’ ironically, on Fox News. Cast doubt, blunt thorough examination or discussion, cloud the issue. Good job.

So I guess I’ll leave and go do some work.

That you didn’t like my “continuance of the debate” does not mean I didn’t.

70 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:46:51pm

christie fullfills the desire of the right wing for the kind of candidate who will yell “go the fuck to sleep!” at his children

71 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:47:45pm

re: #66 BigPapa

I don’t know Satt. He never really comes out and says what he means, just sorta feigns and parries with equivalents and wise cracks.

Sorta the same thing Fox does regularly.

But I have work to do so I’ll come back in a few hours and see if this went anywhere. I’d love to see this Ailes/Immelt comparison.

sere #69

(sorry if I’m not as fast on the keys as you need me to be,, I do this (chat) between work set ups)

72 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:49:19pm

re: #70 engineer dog

christie fullfills the desire of the right wing for the kind of candidate who will yell “go the fuck to sleep!” at his children

There’s a clip going around where a constiuent asks about the fairness of his slashing school budgets while sending his kids to private schools. His immediate response is ‘It’s none of your business.’

Dude is openly hostile just about all the time. I can only imagine what he puts his wife and kids through.

73 allegro  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:50:09pm

re: #70 engineer dog

christie fullfills the desire of the right wing for the kind of candidate who will yell “go the fuck to sleep!” at his children

Oh dear. I’m afraid I did that just last night (this morning?) when my bad boy terrier decided to get playful and gift me with wet willies at 2:30am.

74 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:50:26pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

That you didn’t like my “continuance of the debate” does not mean I didn’t.

You did not continue the debate. You inferred something, and…. made some jokes and sighs. We all know of Immelt, and he does have connections to Obama.

But you’re comparing that to Ailes, are you not? You’ve not furthered the comparison. You made an equivalence that sorta inferred that Immelt/Obama is the same thing.

Really, is that it? One and done?

75 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:51:05pm

re: #67 windsagio

mmhmm, I bet :P

I for my part are just trying to break through your schtick to whatever it is is actually underneath :P

No “schtick”

I made a point

Whether you (or others) like it or not, I stand by that “a” Immelt has influence over the NBC family

Ailes advises Christie
Immelt advises Obama ,,(oh ,, wait ,, I can’t use “advise”,, geee ,, I wonder how the jobs council communicates its,, umm,, advice to the President)

76 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:52:14pm

re: #74 BigPapa

You inferred something,

I inferred nothing

I stated flat out that Immelt advises Obama

77 MarkAM  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:53:08pm

Continuing the debate would involve coming up with some actual evidence to support your claim that Immelt plays a role that in any way resembles Ailes’s, or in fact does anything to influence the news department at NBC, not just referring to his position as CEO at GE as if that were the same thing.

Similarly, the fact that Immelt chairs an economic council established by Obama is in no way the same as or even remotely similar to Ailes (who started out as a political consultant) giving Christie political guidance and encouraging him to run for President.

re: #69 sattv4u2

78 allegro  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:58:01pm

re: #77 MarkAM

Continuing the debate would involve coming up with some actual evidence to support your claim that Immelt plays a role that in any way resembles Ailes’s, or in fact does anything to influence the news department at NBC, not just referring to his position as CEO at GE as if that were the same thing.

Similarly, the fact that Immelt chairs an economic council established by Obama is in no way the same as or even remotely similar to Ailes (who started out as a political consultant) giving Christie political guidance and encouraging him to run for President.

It may also be safe to presume that Ailes has instructed influenced his news staff to promote the reputation and credibility of Christie who would be otherwise pretty much unknown outside of NJ.

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:58:12pm

We need so sick Assanage and Wikileaks on these guys…

80 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:58:22pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

You inferred something,

I inferred nothing

I stated flat out that Immelt advises Obama

…in a thread about Christie invoking executive privilege with Rober Ailes. The inference is that it’s the same thing. There is a history of executives advising Presidents of many things, nothing inherently wrong with that.

By ‘stating flat out Immelt advises Obama’ you are inferring that it happens all the time, what Ailes/Christie are doing is just like all the rest.

Or so I’m led to believe since you won’t elaborate any further.

81 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:58:26pm

Hi Lizards!
Winston and I are on a road trip.. We went through Joplin a few hours ago..
Looks like it got bombed.. Very sobering

82 blueraven  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:58:49pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

You inferred something,

I inferred nothing

I stated flat out that Immelt advises Obama

Yes it is true, Immelt advises Obama. He took over for Paul Volker on the outside economic advisory board. This was announced some time ago.

When was the announcement that Ailes was on an Advisory board for Christie?
Must have missed it.

83 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:00:20pm

re: #79 ralphieboy

We need so sick Assanage and Wikileaks on these guys…

Sorry,l but he (and his backers) seems to be busy lamenting his house arrest

[Link: www.tgdaily.com…]

84 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:00:51pm

re: #81 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
Winston and I are on a road trip.. We went through Joplin a few hours ago..
Looks like it got bombed.. Very sobering

:(

stay safe

and give Winston a treat

85 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:01:04pm

re: #82 blueraven

Yes it is true, Immelt advises Obama. He took over for Paul Volker on the outside economic advisory board. This was announced some time ago.

When was the announcement that Ailes was on an Advisory board for Christie?
Must have missed it.

I’ll also be looking up on the Executive Privilege between Immelt/Obama, if it exists at all. But later, I have to sign off and do some galavantin around in the Wiremunky Chariot.

86 darthstar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:01:09pm

Wow…the balance in here…it’s just…magical!

87 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:06:13pm

re: #81 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
Winston and I are on a road trip.. We went through Joplin a few hours ago..
Looks like it got bombed.. Very sobering

You’re supposed to sober up before you hit the road!

I had a customer today tell me that he reads books while he’s driving. I said, “you mean you listen to them?” He said, “No, I read them. I also do Sudoku, with my left hand so it’s more challenging.”

So be careful out there. There are some real nuts on the road.

88 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:08:11pm

bbl

Gotta go squeeze a 25 mbt fiber into an 18 mbt satellite space

(sorta like fitting a Full Size Van into a “compact car” parking space)

Major League Baseball

Why pay the extra $200 for the satellite space when they can BUG THE SHYT OUT OF ME!!!

89 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:15:17pm

Here is a list of the reforms being offered by the King of Morocco:

-Enshrining the principle of separation of powers

-Handing a number of rights from the monarch to the PM, including dissolution of parliament

-Allowing parliament to grant amnesty, up to now a privilege of the monarch
making Tamazight an official language alongside Arabic

-Guaranteeing freedom of belief while affirming Islam as the state religion.

90 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:16:05pm

Correcting for Clarity:

-Enshrining the principle of separation of powers

-Handing a number of rights from the monarch to the PM, including dissolution of parliament

-Allowing parliament to grant amnesty, up to now a privilege of the monarch

-Making Tamazight an official language alongside Arabic

-Guaranteeing freedom of belief while affirming Islam as the state religion.

91 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:17:16pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

You’re supposed to sober up before you hit the road!

I had a customer today tell me that he reads books while he’s driving. I said, “you mean you listen to them?” He said, “No, I read them. I also do Sudoku, with my left hand so it’s more challenging.”

So be careful out there. There are some real nuts on the road.

Poor Winston..He’s not really a car dog…As soon as we stopped at a motel he jumped on the bed and went asleep…He won’t wake up until I go get dinner…

92 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:17:28pm

re: #85 BigPapa

The comparison is stupid at every level.

Someone who sits on a public board as a chairman doing reports and stuff on an economic board is not related in the least to someone who’s acting as a political adviser. There’s not the slightest point of comparison.

One is a public adviser. The other isn’t. One is advising on an issue that’s the responsibility of the president. The other is a political adviser, who’s advice is for the benefit solely of Christie. One has shown, demonstrated, and stated a wild partisan bias. The other has not. One of them controls a news network famous for inaccuracy, distortion, and serving the GOP agenda. The other controls, at a remove, network stations that are known for being wishy-washy ‘let’s hear from all sides’ types.

There’s simply no comparison. It’s really dumb bullshit.

93 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:18:38pm

re: #92 Obdicut

One is a public adviser. The other isn’t. One is advising on an issue that’s the responsibility of the president

I thought you told me he isn;’t an advisor!

94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:22:14pm

re: #17 darthstar

Breitbart went to Netroots Nation? Well, I’m sure he was welcomed with open arms…

Never know…some of them are just as hate-obama as the HotAir/Breitbart/Big________ types are.

95 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:23:46pm

re: #35 windsagio

OK the Immelt thing totally baffles me.

People would have better luck going back to Soros.

Some people are so desperate, they will invent anything.

96 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:25:47pm

re: #89 ProLifeLiberal

97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:26:29pm

The only reason I post at LGF is so my communications will be sekrit.
/

98 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:28:23pm

re: #96 engineer dog

hmmm

-Enshrining the principle of separation of powers

-Handing a number of rights from the monarch to the PM, including dissolution of parliament

-Allowing parliament to grant amnesty, up to now a privilege of the monarch

-Making Tamazight an official language alongside Arabic

-Guaranteeing freedom of belief while affirming Islam as the state religion.

-let bob hope and dorothy lamour come back to the united states

-make princess shalmar marry bing crosby

99 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:31:40pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

One is a public adviser. The other isn’t. One is advising on an issue that’s the responsibility of the president

I thought you told me he isn;’t an advisor!

He’s not a political adviser. You’re right that he gives advice— on economic issues. Not on his own political career. In that realm, he is not an adviser.

Do you really not get the difference?

100 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:31:56pm
another sign that Fox News is the media arm of the Republican Party.


It’s actually the other way around; the GOP is the political arm of the right-wing media (including Fox).

101 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:33:53pm

re: #99 Obdicut

He’s not a political adviser. You’re right that he gives advice— on economic issues. Not on his own political career. In that realm, he is not an adviser.

Do you really not get the difference?

I would think only BO knows what sort of advice he gets from Immelt…

102 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:35:36pm

re: #101 albusteve

I would think only BO knows what sort of advice he gets from Immelt…

By that logic, Steve, anyone on earth could be Obama’s seecrit adviser.

Immelt is chairman of a couple of his boards. Not a political adviser.

Totally goddamn different animals.

103 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:35:59pm

re: #98 engineer dog

Apparently, that comes from “Road to Morocco”

104 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:36:24pm

re: #102 Obdicut

By that logic, Steve, anyone on earth could be Obama’s seecrit adviser.

Immelt is chairman of a couple of his boards. Not a political adviser.

Totally goddamn different animals.

yup, exactly

105 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:36:24pm

An interesting perspective….
Jihad: The end of an era

To me, Fazul’s death, together with the sinking of Osama bin Laden to watery depths, signals the beginning of the end of the epoch of the war on terror. The end will not be tidy. Iraq has not recovered; the Taliban and the drug runners of Afghanistan will outlast foreign intervention. In their weakness the jihadists in Somalia are even more likely to strike Kenya, Ethiopia or perhaps South Africa and Europe. Since Fazul’s death suicide bombers have already blown up the interior minister of Somalia. It is more a matter of drift: the narrative of jihad will no longer command the attention of foreign editors. It is spent. Other stories are taking over—China versus the rest, the anthropocene and climate change; a new epoch for today’s foreign correspondents.


I also think another factor is the lack of successful terrorist plots in the West. The problem will linger but the global Jihad against the West is running out of steam.

106 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:36:42pm

re: #101 albusteve

I would think only BO knows what sort of advice he gets from Immelt…

I guess he could give good advice on programming Thursday night prime-time.
/

107 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:37:54pm

re: #106 makeitstop

I guess he could give good advice on programming Thursday night prime-time.
/

help!…how does this VCR work?

108 makeitstop  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:38:53pm

re: #107 albusteve

help!…how does this VCR work?

Exactly!

‘I’ve been in this office for nearly three years and the stupid display is still flashing ‘12:00!’ :)

109 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:41:12pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

In addition, the Arab Spring may help.

The way I think of it, the last 90 years have been an Islamic Dark Age. Progress ceased, and in some cases went in horrific reverse. This bears some similarity to what happened in the Christian Dark Age. The Arab Spring might be a sign of recovery from it.

Will everything work out fine revolution wise? No. But many revolutions screw up. Look at France, and how long it took to get where it is now.

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:42:47pm

re: #107 albusteve

help!…how does this VCR work?


I can remember recording “The Young Ones” on a VCR. Had to hit “record” along with the play button.

111 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:45:34pm

re: #109 ProLifeLiberal

I think South America might be an even better example. You’ve got a lot of corruption, a lot of war still, but things have actually been improving there. Dictators have actually been pushed back, societies have reformed somewhat.

It’s still far from good, but progress is at least believable.

112 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:47:07pm

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can remember recording “The Young Ones” on a VCR. Had to hit “record” along with the play button.

113 freetoken  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:47:58pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Played out. It’s just played out.

Terrorism isn’t over; it’s not a new thing, and it will be around long after you and I are gone.

But as a “movement”, the whole “Jihad” thing has clearly run into reality - people in the end care more about a safe place to sleep and food in their bellies than they do about abstract religio-political ideology-driven “movements”.

Islam involved conflict with non-islamic groups: of the inter-tribal warfare on the west end of the Himalayas, i.e., the nebulous Afghan-Pakistan border, and the Gaza/West-Bank border/religious fights, and secessionist tribes in a few regions of sub-Saharan Africa and perhaps a handful of spots in SE Asia … these are all regional conflicts and it is only in the minds of those who have a need to dwell on some monster global conspiracy (Beck, Geller) that a grand-master “Jihad” is taking place.

114 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:48:05pm

re: #111 Obdicut

True, but what happened is South America is alot more on the surface than in the Middle East. I still think that Dark Ages Europe is a better analog. It took a long time for things to solidify, even after the Dark Age ended.

115 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:50:37pm

re: #114 ProLifeLiberal

True enough. In the end, they’re both analogies; there’s all sorts of unique forces at work in Middle East, from the remnants of the devastation from the Mongols to the natural resources. It’s its own deal.

116 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:54:38pm

re: #115 Obdicut

I’d say the major difference between the current ME and the S.America model is the utter annihilation of any meaningful political/tribal power structure in the Americas.

You don’t have the Quecha and the Achuar fighting it out over their borders.

117 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:55:43pm

re: #116 windsagio

Good point.

118 mikec6666  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:59:07pm

I used to be that rules were there to protect the people’s right to know and see how their government works. Now it seems like every day government officials come up with a way to pervert the intent of every law. We’re undoing the fabric of our Republic.

119 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:59:25pm

re: #116 windsagio

The Azamigh (known in the West as the Berbers) still exist. And the old Levantine culture isn’t completely gone, nor the Egyptian, They were absorbed created different Arabic cultures.

North Africa and the Levent, for example, are as different as Norway and Germany.

120 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:00:41pm

re: #117 Obdicut

It’s a really cool/interesting discussion, isn’t it? You could also compare it to the old problem of trying to apply Latin grammar rules to non-romance languages (Which, for instance, is what makes german grammar such a bitch to learn).

I think the Decline of the ME is a bit longer than 90 years tho’, it has links to the decline and corruption of the late Ottoman Empire.

121 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:01:12pm

re: #119 ProLifeLiberal

That’s my point :p

122 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:05:26pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

It’s actually the other way around; the GOP is the political arm of the right-wing media (including Fox).

I’m afraid you may be right.

123 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:16:39pm

Poor me! Julian Assange bemoans six months of house arrest and electronic tagging

His former lawyer Mark Stephens, who did not know about the video release, said: ‘The restrictions on him are unduly burdensome. I have felt for some time that they were unduly restrictive.

heart wrenching…

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

124 zora  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:16:57pm

Texas Lawmaker Yells Down Man For Speaking Messican In State Senate

The Mexicans might be taking over the rest of America with their anchor babies and their Taco Bells, but God help Texas GOP Sen. Chris Harris if they will try to oppress him with their devil language while he is at work trying to oppress them. Texas lawmakers are busy trying to pass an Arizona-style bill giving law enforcement the right to ask anyone who looks Hispanic for proof of citizenship, which has the 37% of Texas residents who are Hispanic pretty annoyed. Speaking through a translator, immigrant rights activist Antolin Aguirre was trying to testify in Messican against the law when Harris interrupted him and demanded to know why he was using a lack of English to explain himself.

from wonkette. with video.

[Link: wonkette.com…]

125 zora  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:17:48pm

re: #123 albusteve

quick. get a tiny violin.

126 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:20:05pm

re: #124 zora

That is… kind of agonizing to listen to.

WTF is wrong with him?

127 kirkspencer  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:25:01pm

re: #124 zora

Texas Lawmaker Yells Down Man For Speaking Messican In State Senate

from wonkette. with video.

[Link: wonkette.com…]

Assuming Perry doesn’t veto it, that law will probably turn Texas Democratic in time for the next elections.

35 to 40% of Latinos voted R this last time, and they form about 1/3 (35%) of the total voting population of the state. In other words, this will move about 12% of the total voting population from R to D. Perry won with a total of 55%. McCain won the state in 2008 with just over 55% of the vote. Subtract 12 and give it to the D (who got about 44%) and it gets pretty obvious.

And it is just as significant at the state legislation elections.

Idiots.

128 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:25:22pm

re: #126 windsagio

(from wiki)

Harris just about always runs unopposed.

It’s kind of creepy that there are places in the US that you can get 100% votes.

129 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:25:25pm

re: #124 zora

Texas Lawmaker Yells Down Man For Speaking Messican In State Senate

from wonkette. with video.

[Link: wonkette.com…]

That’s a good example of why I am glad that bilingualism is in the New Mexico Constitution. That rude f’in Texan can go to hell, where he will be forced to listen to every language on or under Earth, except English, unless it is with such a heavy Scottish accent that he can’t understand that either.

130 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:28:59pm

A little horn tooting on my part, but here’s my page about the UN Human Rights Council’s resolution on gay rights. It includes the text of the resolution and who and how they voted on it.

131 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:32:19pm

re: #124 zora

Texas Lawmaker Yells Down Man For Speaking Messican In State Senate

from wonkette. with video.

[Link: wonkette.com…]

What a FIRST CLASS DICK HEAD. omg

132 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:32:49pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

That’s a good example of why I am glad that bilingualism is in the New Mexico Constitution. That rude f’in Texan can go to hell, where he will be forced to listen to every language on or under Earth, except English, unless it is with such a heavy Scottish accent that he can’t understand that either.

bueno!

133 zora  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:33:31pm

re: #127 kirkspencer

Assuming Perry doesn’t veto it, that law will probably turn Texas Democratic in time for the next elections.

35 to 40% of Latinos voted R this last time, and they form about 1/3 (35%) of the total voting population of the state. In other words, this will move about 12% of the total voting population from R to D. Perry won with a total of 55%. McCain won the state in 2008 with just over 55% of the vote. Subtract 12 and give it to the D (who got about 44%) and it gets pretty obvious.

And it is just as significant at the state legislation elections.

Idiots.

i can’t wait for them to see the fruits of their labor. their numbers will also plummet with women voters, imo.

134 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:36:15pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

What a FIRST CLASS DICK HEAD. omg

I declare Comanche as the official Texas state language west of the Brazos River

135 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:37:35pm

Oh by the way, the police harassment bill passed anyways.

Go texas!

136 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:38:23pm

re: #134 albusteve

I declare all of Texas now has Scottish replace English as the official language.

137 darthstar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:38:44pm
138 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:42:59pm

97deg
5% humidity here in ABQ…
to hydrate myself I use this combination of fluids…
1 half pint of cheap vodka
2 shots of Powerade
stir, serve over ice

139 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:47:08pm

I went bowling last night for the first time in years. Hit a 7-10 split in a freak of luck. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] My friends went nuts & so did I!

140 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:49:24pm

One more before Shabbos:

Google’s float in the Tel Aviv gay pride parade:

Image: 5841965318_993455ee1c_b.jpg

141 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:50:34pm

Elsewhere in Texas, Goodhair has vetoed a ban on texting while driving, but only as long as the texts are in English.

(Ok, I made up part of that)

142 darthstar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:51:31pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Elsewhere in Texas, Goodhair has vetoed a ban on texting while driving, but only as long as the texts are in English.

(Ok, I made up part of that)

Mui bueno!

143 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:52:18pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

I love the names for some of the splits:

“The Greek Church”!

144 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:55:13pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Elsewhere in Texas, Goodhair has vetoed a ban on texting while driving, but only as long as the texts are in English.

(Ok, I made up part of that)

How about playing Sudoku left handed while driving?

145 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:59:14pm

I have a Libyan Update Page! I just did some major tweaking to it.

146 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:00:59pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

I would go nuts too. I’ve never seen one of those being knocked down.

147 darthstar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:04:45pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

I went bowling last night for the first time in years. Hit a 7-10 split in a freak of luck. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] My friends went nuts & so did I!

Congrats!

148 windsagio  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:06:35pm

re: #147 darthstar

this one (from the page too) is the best I think, the doubletake at 50 seconds is EPIC.

149 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:08:21pm

re: #146 ProLifeLiberal

I would go nuts too. I’ve never seen one of those being knocked down.

That’s what I was told!!! LOL, blind luck. I never broke 100 (hell, 85) all night.

150 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:09:23pm

Religious bigot thwarted in plan to enrage more Muslims, also railed against blacks (headline mine):

After railing at Dearborn City Hall against Muslims and African-Americans, Quran-burning Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters were thwarted today in their plans to speak out some more at a nearby Arab festival after a group of angry protesters confronted him.

“Dearborn has made it clear: racist bigots aren’t welcomed here,” shouted members of a small group of protesters who surrounded Jones as he tried to walk up Schaefer Avenue near City Hall. Earlier, Jones had led a rally against Islam, where pastors and a rabbi spoke about what they saw as the threat of Islam in the U.S.

Jones sported sunglasses, a bulletproof vest, and a T-shirt that read: “Everything I ever needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11.”

1) What the fuck are you railing against black for, you loose p***y?

2) All anyone needs to know about this loose p***y is the shirt he wore.

/I’d say “Fuck you, Jones”, but no hole of his would provide enough resistance to make it worth while.

151 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:12:19pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

That’s what I was told!!! LOL, blind luck. I never broke 100 (hell, 85) all night.

it’s a shot you can practice over and over and the pros do…an eagle on a par 4 hole in golf is far more difficult

152 Kragar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:21:08pm

MSNBC covers Rick Perry’s prayer rally and its associations to Bryan Fischer and the AFA.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:21:24pm

Update on that burka ban…
French burka ban descends into farce

France’s burka ban descended into farce when the first women to be summoned before a European court for illegally wearing the garments were refused entry, because they would not remove their face coverings.


Conundrum!

154 Kragar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:29:24pm

Fischer: criticism of AFA a hate crime

155 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:30:11pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: criticism of AFA a hate crime

[Video]

pffft..he is a hate crime

156 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:30:35pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Update on that burka ban…
French burka ban descends into farce


Conundrum!

That reminds me of when Bagwan Shree Rajneesh took a vow of silence and would not testify when subpoenaed (I can’t believe I spelled that right—if I can trust the spellcheck). The judge told the bailiff to arrest him, and the bailiff walks over and says, “You have the right to remain silent…”

157 Kragar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:36:17pm

re: #155 albusteve

pffft..he is a hate crime

A man so full of shit, if he were to pop, he’d fertilize the entire state of Texas.

158 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:39:00pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A man so full of shit, if he were to pop, he’d fertilize the entire state of Texas.

everybody want’s their recognition via the net…and they get it
Yogi Berra makes more sense

159 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:40:45pm

the future ain’t what it used to be…
Y Berra

160 boxhead  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:49:40pm

re: #11 Charles

If it seems like I’m ignoring Andrew Breitbart’s latest stunt (crashing the Netroots conference) it’s because I am.

Oops. I guess I’m not ignoring it if I comment about it. OK, but just this once. Because this was so predictable it’s just tedious.

That guys face makes me ill. What a complete douche bag!

161 boxhead  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:52:03pm

re: #150 commadore183

Religious bigot thwarted in plan to enrage more Muslims, also railed against blacks (headline mine):

1) What the fuck are you railing against black for, you loose p***y?

2) All anyone needs to know about this loose p***y is the shirt he wore.

/I’d say “Fuck you, Jones”, but no hole of his would provide enough resistance to make it worth while.

LOL….. Either Jones is loose, or you need to look into Extenze!

//

162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:53:01pm

re: #150 commadore183

Religious bigot thwarted in plan to enrage more Muslims, also railed against blacks (headline mine):

1) What the fuck are you railing against black for, you loose p***y?

2) All anyone needs to know about this loose p***y is the shirt he wore.

/I’d say “Fuck you, Jones”, but no hole of his would provide enough resistance to make it worth while.

Wow, an anti-Muslim white conservative Christian bigot who also wants to burn a Talmud is also anti-Black?

Nooo, say it ain’t so.

163 Kragar  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:53:52pm

re: #162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wow, an anti-Muslim white conservative Christian bigot who also wants to burn a Talmud is also anti-Black?

Nooo, say it ain’t so.

What are the odds?
/

164 boxhead  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:55:19pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

It’s actually the other way around; the GOP is the political arm of the right-wing media (including Fox).

And most of media is the tool of large corporations.

165 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:56:08pm

re: #162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wow, an anti-Muslim white conservative Christian bigot who also wants to burn a Talmud is also anti-Black?

Nooo, say it ain’t so.

no doubt he hates the Cowboys too

166 boxhead  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:57:03pm

re: #165 albusteve

no doubt he hates the Cowboys too

Well I must admit I am not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys either…. wait, what are we talking about?

167 albusteve  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 5:58:54pm

re: #166 boxhead

Well I must admit I am not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys either… wait, what are we talking about?

anything you want

168 boxhead  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 6:02:46pm

re: #167 albusteve

anything you want

hmmmm… anything? lol

Why won’t Frank McCourt just go away and sell the Dodgers to someone who both cares and has money? arrrrarrarararrararrrrrrgggg

169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 6:06:35pm

re: #165 albusteve

no doubt he hates the Cowboys too

Anybody’s guess, with today’s crop of dumb, conservative bigots.

170 Hector1980  Sat, Jun 18, 2011 12:56:57am

“Another day, another sign that Fox News is the media arm of the Republican Party.”

I read a quote from someone saying it’s the other way around: The Republican Party is the political arm of Fox News.

Sadly, I think it’s true.


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