In today’s news of the Boehner, the Speaker of the House has just broken off debt ceiling talks with President Obama. And in return, Obama is now speaking; he just announced:
I will sign an extension of the debt limit through 2013, if that’s the best Congress can do…
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makeitstop Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:37:04pm |
I don't believe I've ever seen the man so irritated.
You go, Mr. President. Despite what Boehner and Cantor believe, the American people are behind you.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:37:35pm |
Attn: GOP
The longer you screw around and play games the more of these press conferences Obama is going to give.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:38:03pm |
Through 2013...which takes it away from the Republicans as a political football for the 2012 elections. They'll totally hate that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:39:22pm |
Utoeya island eyewitness: 'I saw two people shot dead'
Including video of what appears to be children swimming away from the island.
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jc717 Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:39:29pm |
Wow, the GOP is ridiculous. They were offered 90% of what they wanted in return for bread crumbs and they wanted to keep the bread crumbs as well. Talk about over reach. I hope that Obama grows a spine at this point and start playing hardball. He's been way too much of a pushover.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:39:29pm |
Boehner just handed Obama a small victory. Tonight and over the weekend, any American that's been paying attention will only think about "Boehner
'walking out' of a meeting."
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darthstar Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:39:29pm |
re: #1 makeitstop
I don't believe I've ever seen the man so irritated.
You go, Mr. President. Despite what Boehner and Cantor believe, the American people are behind you.
Irritated? He looked fucking pissed, and after answering one question on a down note, pointed and said, "Next." with such sharpness the poor bastard could barely say, "Uh...Mr. President..." with the kind of deference he deserves.
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ElCapitanAmerica Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:39:49pm |
Debt ceiling raised, and the Republicans don't get their cuts.
Sounds like the best outcome to me.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:39:56pm |
Böhner et al have to be being blackmailed. Their behavior doesn't make much sense, otherwise.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:40:06pm |
Wait. Somebody explain to me in simple words why there was all the brouhaha if he simply could do this all along? I'm missing something, and I don't know what.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:41:01pm |
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:41:04pm |
I have never seen the President look so angry.
I think the teabaggers are thrilled. They want to crash thed country and they are getting their way. Eric son of eric was pushing this again just today.
I guess me and my wife are screwed on our financial aid and my Social Security disability.
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Stanghazi Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:42:27pm |
Boehner's got a golf game w/a big time donor this weekend. Country be damned.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:42:40pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Wait. Somebody explain to me in simple words why there was all the brouhaha if he simply could do this all along? I'm missing something, and I don't know what.
Negotiating in good faith?
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:43:14pm |
re: #13 Stanley Sea
Boehner's got a golf game w/a big time donor this weekend. Country be damned.
The House isn't even meeting over the weekend.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:43:31pm |
re: #1 makeitstop
I don't believe I've ever seen the man so irritated.
You go, Mr. President. Despite what Boehner and Cantor believe, the American people are behind you.
What an amazing press conference.
I've been waiting for him to make many of these statements. Pointing out the Repubs can't take yes as an answer, calling out Boehner for not taking on the extremists in his own party, pointing squarely at the Tea Party caucus in the House and shaming them.
Very compelling.
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SpaceJesus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:44:03pm |
fox has single-handedly hijacked the discourse in this country and probably ruined the economy and the united states with it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:44:11pm |
re: #14 Gus 802
The way I saw it presented was either a deal, or an imminent catastrophe. Turns out there was no chance of a catastrophe all along? Why all the talk of cutting SS, MC and all that?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:44:11pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Wait. Somebody explain to me in simple words why there was all the brouhaha if he simply could do this all along? I'm missing something, and I don't know what.
Because it's an unprecidented move. Never in our history has congress refused to increase the debt ceiling. There's some doubt that the President has the authority to do it on his own. It would only be a short term solution if he did.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:44:49pm |
after all this shitting around, we get a temporary extension....
I want my money back
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:46:03pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Wait. Somebody explain to me in simple words why there was all the brouhaha if he simply could do this all along? I'm missing something, and I don't know what.
Do what?
He first called for a clean debt ceiling vote (no revenues, cuts, just raise the debt ceiling) months ago. The Republicans said no. They said they wanted deficit reduction.
President Obama said "fine....how's $4 trillion sound?" The Republicans said no. No tax increases.
The President said, "okay, $3 trillion package, with no tax "increases," just changes to the tax code. The Republicans said no.
Where does that leave us?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:46:45pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
Because it's an unprecidented move. Never in our history has congress refused to increase the debt ceiling. There's some doubt that the President has the authority to do it on his own. It would only be a short term solution if he did.
I don't think we have ever been in this spot, where we're in danger of default and there are a bunch of seething, states rights utter lunatics in Congress.
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Kragar Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:47:18pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
Because it's an unprecidented move. Never in our history has congress refused to increase the debt ceiling. There's some doubt that the President has the authority to do it on his own. It would only be a short term solution if he did.
I think Constitutional experts said it was possible due to Section 4 of the 14th Amendment:
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
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SpaceJesus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:47:28pm |
meanwhile, another murdoch paper apparently has its priorities in order:
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kirkspencer Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:48:06pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Wait. Somebody explain to me in simple words why there was all the brouhaha if he simply could do this all along? I'm missing something, and I don't know what.
I'm guessing he's speaking of one of the theoretical options. There are two floating around.
Note that the 14th amendment solution got a weasel-like downvote by his attorneys, not a hard downturn. Paraphrased: "So long as other options remain, it's a bad idea."
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andres Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:48:14pm |
re: #3 darthstar
Through 2013...which takes it away from the Republicans as a political football for the 2012 elections. They'll totally hate that.
Think of it this way: it will guarantee them another fight before the 2014 elections.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:48:26pm |
re: #21 mr.fusion
You're describing negotiations. Turns out no negotiations were needed in the first place and O can do it on his own? (KT's version explains it, but somehow I doubt Obama will do a legally dubious move.)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:49:26pm |
re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think Constitutional experts said it was possible due to Section 4 of the 14th Amendment:
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
I hope it does not come to that. But personally, nothing would satisfy me more than to watch the states rights crybabies to have their noses rubbed in the 14th Amendment, of all Amendments. /Schadenfreude
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:50:36pm |
re: #27 Sergey Romanov
You're describing negotiations. Turns out no negotiations were needed in the first place and O can do it on his own? (KT's version explains it, but somehow I doubt Obama will do a legally dubious move.)
I've heard White House Counsel doesn't believe the 14th gives them the right to raise the debt ceiling. I know he said before that they wouldn't pursue the constitutional option.
The McConnell plan may be the only way to get it done at this point
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:51:05pm |
re: #18 Sergey Romanov
The way I saw it presented was either a deal, or an imminent catastrophe. Turns out there was no chance of a catastrophe all along? Why all the talk of cutting SS, MC and all that?
I suppose because it became intertwined with reducing the debt. The Republicans were saying "cut all of this or else we won't raise the debt ceiling!" Obama also wanted to cut the debt and tried "in good faith" to negotiate with House to attain those goals.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:51:41pm |
re: #26 andres
Think of it this way: it will guarantee them another fight before the 2014 elections.
Honestly, I don't think trying to deprive them of fights is a good motivation. They will always come up with some reason to kick and scream, whether real or invented.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:52:31pm |
re: #29 mr.fusion
So the announcement of the extension means Obama accepts the Turtle's plan?
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:53:30pm |
re: #32 Sergey Romanov
So the announcement of the extension means Obama accepts the Turtle's plan?
It's turtles all the way down.
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Kid A Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:53:37pm |
re: #17 SpaceJesus
fox has single-handedly hijacked the discourse in this country and probably ruined the economy and the united states with it.
We report. You concur.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:54:28pm |
Ya know, when you think about what's going on right now.........
.......teetering on the edge of financial disaster due to a purely manufactured crisis coming from the freaking tea party. It's so insane.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:54:54pm |
From oslogin, who posts on the prev. thread:
According to the sources of TV2, the arrested man belongs to extreme right-wing circles in Eastern Norway, and he has two registered weapons, an automatic weapon and a Glock handgun. Armed police raided the man's home on the western side of Oslo this evening.
I'm shocked, I tells ya, shocked. Still could be an Islamist though! ///
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moose9t9 Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:55:06pm |
Quick question... what capacity do republican voters have to vote out the tea party members of congress, or at least threaten them into changing their ways?
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andres Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:55:29pm |
re: #26 andres
Sorry, got it wrong.
re: #31 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Honestly, I don't think trying to deprive them of fights is a good motivation. They will always come up with some reason to kick and scream, whether real or invented.
I thought that there was some sort of agreement that extended the debt ceiling thru 2013, which would allow the Republicans to play chicken a second time, this time with the midterms, which would, theoretically speaking, "favor" them.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:55:37pm |
re: #32 Sergey Romanov
So the announcement of the extension means Obama accepts the Turtle's plan?
He said during the PC that he would go along with the McConnell plan as long as it goes through '13
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:56:10pm |
re: #37 Sergey Romanov
From oslogin, who posts on the prev. thread:
I'm shocked, I tells ya, shocked. Still could be an Islamist though! ///
The far Right in Scandinavia make the English Defence League look like they wouldn't say "boo" to a Muslim.
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andres Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:56:15pm |
BTW, anyone has the video of Obama's press conference?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:56:25pm |
re: #17 SpaceJesus
fox has single-handedly hijacked the discourse in this country and probably ruined the economy and the united states with it.
Fox News is the victory mosque.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:56:26pm |
re: #41 mr.fusion
He said during the PC that he would go along with the McConnell plan as long as it goes through '13
Thanks, that seems to clear it up!
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sagehen Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:56:42pm |
I made the mistake of watching on Fox (MSNBC is my preferred station) to see the after-commentary.
Krauthammer: "I don't like the imperious way he demanded House and Senate leaders come to the White House tomorrow to keep working on a deal. Who does he think he is?"
grrrr.
who does he think he is!?!?! The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, asshole. The leader of the free world. These "uppity" dogwhistles do bad things to my blood pressure.
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Stanghazi Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:56:47pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
Because it's an unprecidented move. Never in our history has congress refused to increase the debt ceiling. There's some doubt that the President has the authority to do it on his own. It would only be a short term solution if he did.
Never in our history. Seriously these idiologues are really fucked up.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:57:08pm |
re: #31 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Honestly, I don't think trying to deprive them of fights is a good motivation. They will always come up with some reason to kick and scream, whether real or invented.
At least when it was "death panels" fiscal armageddon wasn't the result
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:57:28pm |
re: #38 moose9t9
Quick question... what capacity do republican voters have to vote out the tea party members of congress, or at least threaten them into changing their ways?
None. Crossroads GPS and The Club For Growth call the shots. The GOP is very much a top-down kind of party. Notice how GOP insiders infiltrated Tea party leadership from the very beginning.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:57:50pm |
re: #37 Sergey Romanov
From oslogin, who posts on the prev. thread:
I'm shocked, I tells ya, shocked. Still could be an Islamist though! ///
Boom! Pop! I think I see splodey heads over at Gate of Vienna, et al.
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:58:18pm |
re: #41 mr.fusion
He said during the PC that he would go along with the McConnell plan as long as it goes through '13
What chance does that have of getting through the House?
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Kragar Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:58:54pm |
Speaking of Fox:
Fox News Host: Affordable birth control is liberal plot to wipe out poor people
GUTFELD: If you're talking about free birth control, who's going to use free birth control? The people who can't afford it. So the left has figured out a way to eradicate the poor, and it's by eradicating the poor!
You fucking idiots.
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moose9t9 Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:59:14pm |
re: #49 celticdragon
thanks for that sobering reply. Gin will make me feel better...short term at least.
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kirkspencer Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:59:18pm |
Just for amusement I'll mention the other 'wild plan' that is kicking around. Google the Trillion Dollar Coin solution.
Bottom line, the mint is NOT restricted from coining (vs printing) in any denomination. There is no cap on seigniorage (nominal value vs metal value of coin). So: mint a couple of platinum coins with a face value of a Trillion Dollars, then deposit the coin(s) into the Fed's account with the Treasury.
It's as shaky as the 14th amendment solution but avoids the potential constitutional crisis.
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webevintage Fri, Jul 22, 2011 3:59:51pm |
re: #46 sagehen
who does he think he is!?!?! The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, asshole. The leader of the free world. These "uppity" dogwhistles do bad things to my blood pressure.
I hate saying this, but THIS....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:00:03pm |
And I'm presenting to you the moron of the day:
Winny Spencer Fri, Jul 22, 2011 10:59:03am replyquote* -10
* down
* up
* favorite
* reportre: #5 Sergey Romanov
> Could be Islamists, or could be some neo-Nazis...
No, it really couldn't be anything but Islamists.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:00:13pm |
re: #46 sagehen
I made the mistake of watching on Fox (MSNBC is my preferred station) to see the after-commentary.
Krauthammer: "I don't like the imperious way he demanded House and Senate leaders come to the White House tomorrow to keep working on a deal. Who does he think he is?"
grrr.
who does he think he is!?!?! The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, asshole. The leader of the free world. These "uppity" dogwhistles do bad things to my blood pressure.
Krauthammer = asshole.
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:00:40pm |
re: #46 sagehen
who does he think he is!?!?! The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, asshole. The leader of the free world. These "uppity" dogwhistles do bad things to my blood pressure.
Repeated for truth.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:00:45pm |
re: #51 celticdragon
What chance does that have of getting through the House?
I'm not really familiar with the specifics of it....but my understanding is they send some weird bill to the President saying they don't raise the debt ceiling, but if he vetoes it then the ceiling gets raised. So he vetoes it and they can't get the 66% they need to overturn the veto.
That way they get to vote against it twice and Obama takes all the responsibility.
Republicanism--- all the perks of governing with none of the responsibility!!!
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:00:51pm |
Damn. It's not Chris Matthews on Hardball.
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sagehen Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:01:25pm |
re: #38 moose9t9
Quick question... what capacity do republican voters have to vote out the tea party members of congress, or at least threaten them into changing their ways?
Before November 2012? Zero.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:02:06pm |
re: #43 andres
BTW, anyone has the video of Obama's press conference?
C-span will have his "remarks" online "soon"
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:02:17pm |
there will be no credit armageddon, there will be no downfall of America...there is no debt precipice to be dragged over...it's all manufactured....have a beer and stay out of the sun
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:03:12pm |
re: #45 Sergey Romanov
Thanks, that seems to clear it up!
I also think that Obama really did want to use this as an opportunity for deficit reduction.
As to whether his intent was for political expediency or because he really thinks that the sacrifices were worth the benefits, I'm agnostic. But his actions do make sense.
Another possibility is that this was a beautiful rope-a-dope. He winds up with the debt ceiling raised, no cuts, and the Republicans looking obstinate and unyielding.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:04:33pm |
Somebody should totally scour RW sites and copy/paste all the preliminary reactions about Norwegian Jihad. Too bad I'm lazy/tired myself.
PS: and the way LGF handled this case is exemplary. No drama.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:04:35pm |
re: #56 Sergey Romanov
And I'm presenting to you the moron of the day:
what bullshit dude...what good can come of that?
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:04:52pm |
re: #64 Talking Point Detective
I also think that Obama really did want to use this as an opportunity for deficit reduction.
As to whether his intent was for political expediency or because he really thinks that the sacrifices were worth the benefits, I'm agnostic. But his actions do make sense.
Another possibility is that this was a beautiful rope-a-dope. He winds up with the debt ceiling raised, no cuts, and the Republicans looking obstinate and unyielding.
I think he's seen the way the debt has been a real albatross around the neck of his Presidency......a $4 trillion reduction puts him in great shape for a second stimulus, infrastructure bank, high speed rail etc etc. Completely removes the GOP's argument against building our country.
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:05:31pm |
re: #63 albusteve
there will be no credit armageddon, there will be no downfall of America...there is no debt precipice to be dragged over...it's all manufactured...have a beer and stay out of the sun
Pretty fucking easy for you to shoot off your mouth when you are not on disability or applying for federal student aid.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:05:41pm |
re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think Constitutional experts said it was possible due to Section 4 of the 14th Amendment:
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
As I understand he can't really do that
before
default, because imminent danger has not occurred.
My guess is that it will be put to vote and enough Republicans with brains will vote for it with Democrats to pass. The brainless can still say they stood on their principle of stupidity. Those who vote for it can still blame the president for not negotiating in a timely manner and then the negotiations will continue until the next election, and the markets may very well downgrade the US anyway because of the uncertainty, and my interest rate will go up.....
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:06:32pm |
re: #68 celticdragon
Pretty fucking easy for you to shoot off your mouth when you are not on disability or applying for federal student aid.
my what a nice reply
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:06:44pm |
re: #68 celticdragon
Pretty fucking easy for you to shoot off your mouth when you are not on disability or applying for federal student aid.
It's not just the people receiving checks.
Take the 70,000 checks the government writes a month or week, or whatever the number is and every single American will feel the effect. No way to spin it.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:06:50pm |
re: #41 mr.fusion
He said during the PC that he would go along with the McConnell plan as long as it goes through '13
Oh. I've lost count. Which plan was that one?
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Kragar Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:07:12pm |
re: #69 Naso Tang
As I understand he can't really do that
default, because imminent danger has not occurred.
My guess is that it will be put to vote and enough Republicans with brains will vote for it with Democrats to pass. The brainless can still say they stood on their principle of stupidity. Those who vote for it can still blame the president for not negotiating in a timely manner and then the negotiations will continue until the next election, and the markets may very well downgrade the US anyway because of the uncertainty, and my interest rate will go up...
Of course then it comes down to defining imminent.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:07:42pm |
re: #70 albusteve
my what a nice reply
It's about all you deserved. The only people saying that this isn't a catastrophe waiting to happen are the ones relying on their horse sense.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:08:14pm |
re: #72 Naso Tang
re: #59 mr.fusion
I'm not really familiar with the specifics of it...but my understanding is they send some weird bill to the President saying they don't raise the debt ceiling, but if he vetoes it then the ceiling gets raised. So he vetoes it and they can't get the 66% they need to overturn the veto.
That way they get to vote against it twice and Obama takes all the responsibility.
Republicanism--- all the perks of governing with none of the responsibility!!!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:08:23pm |
re: #66 albusteve
What bothers you, exactly? Yeah, it got a bit personal. (S)he'll live. Maybe will get better.
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allegro Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:08:46pm |
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:08:57pm |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Of course then it comes down to defining imminent.
Maybe imminent wasn't the word. I'm just repeating something I heard.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:09:01pm |
re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think Constitutional experts said it was possible due to Section 4 of the 14th Amendment:
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Yeah, but since it's never been done and the court has never ruled on it we can't be sure. I think it upsets the balance of power and basically gives the presidency free reign to make his own budget and fund it with debt instead of the usual appropriations bills from congress. It's a line I'd rather not cross.
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:09:42pm |
re: #70 albusteve
my what a nice reply
I am not going to waste niceness on deliberate ignorance. Don't like it? Call someone who cares. You are not my landlord, you do not bill me for electricity and you sure as hell don't share my bed. Your feelings are the least of my worries.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:10:18pm |
re: #75 mr.fusion
It's about all you deserved. The only people saying that this isn't a catastrophe waiting to happen are the ones relying on their horse sense.
the catastrophe is trumped up, and will just as easily go away....this is high political theater...the US will not default, bet me
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:10:53pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Yeah, but since it's never been done and the court has never ruled on it we can't be sure. I think it upsets the balance of power and basically gives the presidency free reign to make his own budget and fund it with debt instead of the usual appropriations bills from congress. It's a line I'd rather not cross.
The line i'd rather not cross is from AAA to junk.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:11:37pm |
re: #82 albusteve
the catastrophe is trumped up, and will just as easily go away...this is high political theater...the US will not default, bet me
We will see soon enough, but there is a strong chance this political incompetence will affect US standing in financial markets anyway.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:11:58pm |
re: #63 albusteve
there will be no credit armageddon, there will be no downfall of America...there is no debt precipice to be dragged over...it's all manufactured...have a beer and stay out of the sun
Political showbiz.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:12:14pm |
re: #67 mr.fusion
I think he's seen the way the debt has been a real albatross around the neck of his Presidency...a $4 trillion reduction puts him in great shape for a second stimulus, infrastructure bank, high speed rail etc etc. Completely removes the GOP's argument against building our country.
Yeah - that's the generous take on political expediency.
The other take is that he's moving to the center to hold on to the independent vote, and as a cave to interests that want to see corporate taxes and upper end income taxes reduced.
Maybe, it all boils down to whether he really increases revenue by closing loopholes even as corporate and upper end income taxes are reduced. If he gets more corporations and filthy rich people to pay more taxes - regardless of the "rates," then I'm with him all the way. It's all about effective tax rates.
I have mixed feelings about the loss of a mortgage deduction. Yeah - it hits me personally but I'll take that hit. The question is whether the middle class as a whole can take that hit.
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Kragar Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:12:18pm |
re: #78 allegro
Here's more...
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
O'Reilly is such an ignorant ass.
I can't believe he fucking said that.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:12:19pm |
re: #82 albusteve
the catastrophe is trumped up, and will just as easily go away...this is high political theater...the US will not default, bet me
If the GOP vote down any measure to increase the debt ceiling - and Obama acts unilaterally to assure the full faith and credit of the US debt - will you be pissed about him saving whats left of the shattered economy?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:13:08pm |
re: #83 wozzablog
The line i'd rather not cross is from AAA to junk.
Agreed, in this situation I'd support it to avoid default. However, I'd rather not have the precedent on record when President Palin decides to use the military to reconquer the Holy Land.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:13:38pm |
Now you've done it Steve! You killed 12 people with your comment! You will burn in hell for that, comment! Praise Jesus!
//
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Spocomptonite Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:13:41pm |
I'm going to school next year! I need federal financial aid!
I'm flying to Albuquerque next month, I need the FAA!
I'm driving to Seattle next weekend, I need the Department of Transportation!
I use money, I need the Federal Reserve!
I live next to Canada, I need U.S. Customs, Border Patrol, and Homeland Security!
And these are just the things I can immediately think off the top of my head.
Maybe I can look for engineering exchange programs with, like, New Zealand or something.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:14:19pm |
In other news - Major Garrett leaving fox has not made him any less of a GOP pansy.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:14:46pm |
re: #85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Political showbiz.
yes, but of the worst sort...the GOP had signed the deal now and there will be retribution...it's ugly and it's stupid and I think the folks that suffer the most are going to be the ones that perped this thing on us...the GOP
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:15:23pm |
re: #85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Political showbiz.
If you have followed the stock markets this year you would notice that the biggest ups and downs have been due to uncertainty about the debt crisis in Europe, starting with Greece, then Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland.
The US is not in the same boat as Greece, yet, but I think the inability to come to terms with the debt issue is going to be bad news for us if it continues. It makes us look like Iraq.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:15:38pm |
re: #71 mr.fusion
It's not just the people receiving checks.
Take the 70,000 checks the government writes a month or week, or whatever the number is and every single American will feel the effect. No way to spin it.
Someone should notify the dumb, stupid, conservative teabagger dupes, working for privately-owned government contractors yet waving Obama-is-a-monkey pickets on the weekends.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:15:39pm |
re: #81 celticdragon
I am not going to waste niceness on deliberate ignorance. Don't like it? Call someone who cares. You are not my landlord, you do not bill me for electricity and you sure as hell don't share my bed. Your feelings are the least of my worries.
whatever...still, there will be no armageddon
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makeitstop Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:16:12pm |
It's Friday and I'm not thinking entirely straight from the heat, so here's an idea straight outta left field...
What about an Executive Order?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:16:20pm |
Boehner tells GOP lawmakers House would need to vote on debt ceiling by Wednesday to meet deadline
A Republican source familiar with the negotiations tells CNN that Speaker Boehner told Republican lawmakers Friday that to get the debt ceiling raised by August 2nd, the House must vote on legislation by next Wednesday-and that means it must be posted online this coming Monday.
Tick tock
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Alexzander Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:16:49pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:16:56pm |
re: #88 wozzablog
If the GOP vote down any measure to increase the debt ceiling - and Obama acts unilaterally to assure the full faith and credit of the US debt - will you be pissed about him saving whats left of the shattered economy?
no...I kind of like his cowboy mentality so far
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:17:08pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:17:19pm |
re: #94 Naso Tang
If you have followed the stock markets this year you would notice that the biggest ups and downs have been due to uncertainty about the debt crisis in Europe, starting with Greece, then Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland.
The US is not in the same boat as Greece, yet, but I think the inability to come to terms with the debt issue is going to be bad news for us if it continues. It makes us look like Iraq.
Well, Iraq after we went and trashed it worse than it was already trashed by our bastard.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:18:09pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Agreed, in this situation I'd support it to avoid default. However, I'd rather not have the precedent on record when President Palin decides to use the military to reconquer the Holy Land.
LOL!...the point, exactly
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:18:09pm |
re: #82 albusteve
the catastrophe is trumped up, and will just as easily go away...this is high political theater...the US will not default, bet me
Glad you're so sure. Me, not so much. I don't actually know 100% what would happen if the debt ceiling isn't raised. I think there are some pretty knowledgeable people who say it will have a deleterious effect.
But I'm glad that you're 100% certain that in this time of a fragile economy, the impact of no raised debt ceiling will be insignificant.
But cause even if there is a slight chance of damaging effects, then this grandstanding about not raising the debt ceiling as a political gesture by politicians to pander to the Tea Party is a completely irresponsible gamble all for the sake of holding onto votes.
But you're 100% confident - so I guess we should all just relax and know that it will all work out no matter what.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:18:25pm |
oh good grief - Boner was pushing a flat tax?
Jeebus. Thats a recipe to kill the working class, flatten the middle class and push up the incomes of the rich.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:18:47pm |
Comment at GoV:
If this turns out to be a right winger then the left, not just in Norway, will have been handed a major political victory which it is sure to exploit to the hilt. Given their control of the media this could be a major disaster for European civilisation.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:19:25pm |
Maybe it's just my bias but Boehner is much less convincing than Obama. I think most voters will feel the same way
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:20:11pm |
re: #108 Sergey Romanov
Teh sky is falling! /
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:20:23pm |
re: #107 wozzablog
oh good grief - Boner was pushing a flat tax?
Jeebus. Thats a recipe to kill the working class, flatten the middle class and push up the incomes of the rich.
And it'll never happen! He was expecting to push this through over 2 weeks of negotiations involving the debt ceiling?!?!?! Good Lord
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:20:24pm |
re: #108 Sergey Romanov
Comment at GoV:
A major disaster for European civilization? Huh? Jeez. Someone must be wet behind the ears.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:20:33pm |
Obama's remarks from earlier -
[Link: c-span.org...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:21:20pm |
re: #107 wozzablog
oh good grief - Boner was pushing a flat tax?
Jeebus. Thats a recipe to kill the working class, flatten the middle class and push up the incomes of the rich.
Why do you think they push for flat tax? //
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:21:20pm |
re: #106 Talking Point Detective
Shush. He lives in a cave and counts gold bars. You are preaching to the nonconvertible.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:00pm |
"i'm not going to get into the partisan sniping....."
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:04pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
Maybe it's just my bias but Boehner is much less convincing than Obama. I think most voters will feel the same way
so far Bone is a huge failure...he just can't seem to crack the whip like Pelosi did....Cantor played him like a fiddle last week
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Alexzander Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:14pm |
This guy is such an ass.
He is totally incoherent.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:15pm |
@BreakingNews Breaking News
Utoya shooting-Oslo bombing suspect reportedly named Anders Behring Breivik, a right-winger [Link: bit.ly...]
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celticdragon Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:51pm |
re: #107 wozzablog
oh good grief - Boner was pushing a flat tax?
Jeebus. Thats a recipe to kill the working class, flatten the middle class and push up the incomes of the rich.
Good God. Somebody resurrected that zombie?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:53pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
"i'm not going to get into the partisan sniping..."
"That went on earlier". What an asshole.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:22:58pm |
Boenher -
"the president never had a plan" - that's not his job, idiot. The budget is the Congress' responsibillity.re: #104 mr.fusion
...and here comes Boehner!!!
He seems a little flaccid.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:23:18pm |
Hmmm. That was fast...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Anders Behring Breivik is suspected of being the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks.[1] He is a 32-year old right-wing extremist.[2]
Behring studied at the Oslo Handelsgymnasium, and is a self-described Christian. He maintaned a blog entitled "Fluxblog".
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:23:18pm |
re: #108 Sergey Romanov
Given their control of the media this could be a major disaster for European civilisation.
I thought the Muslims taking over was going to be the major disaster for civilization. Now the disaster is that it's NOT Muslims who attacked? They've found the recipe for perpetual panic. Great for fundraising!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:23:42pm |
re: #119 Gus 802
@BreakingNews Breaking News
Utoya shooting-Oslo bombing suspect reportedly named Anders Behring Breivik, a right-winger [Link: bit.ly...]
And that's even coming from Sky News.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:23:46pm |
re: #123 Gus 802
Even if that is the guy's name, might be a totally different dude with the same name.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:23:49pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
Maybe it's just my bias but Boehner is much less convincing than Obama. I think most voters will feel the same way
Except for the commenters at hotair, of course
A new secret about Obama revealed –he’s a stilted same-sex bride!
JPlunket on July 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM
What a lying c0cksucker. I absolutely loath that guy.BacaDog on July 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM
Obama is pitching a snit fit…on the floor kicking and screaming…he may blow a gasket.d1carter on July 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM
Obama’s press conference is a complete farce so far, he pretends like Cut, Cap and Balance doesn’t even exist. What a shyster.FloatingRock on July 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:24:14pm |
re: #115 Naso Tang
Shush. He lives in a cave and counts gold bars. You are preaching to the nonconvertible.
I have an opinion that diverges from the consensus, so I'm snarked into the gutter....hahaha!...good old LGF
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Spocomptonite Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:24:25pm |
re: #102 wozzablog
Boenher isn't crying - yet.
It sounds like a few more days of wearing on Obama's nerves and I bet lots of people will be crying. /
If/When Obama opens a can of intelligent yet enraged whoop-ass onto everyone who has been against his proposals simply because they are his proposals, I hope there's a camera there to catch it in all it's glory. They really need to receive one, he really needs to give one, and everyone not a Republican would like to watch it go down.
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otoc Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:24:39pm |
I think no tax increases with over $1.5 trillion in program cuts makes for a GOP PR loss in the long run. Boehner had a chance to drive a wedge between Democrats and Obama and blew it. Boehner's letter still mentions a constitutional ammendment which is something that takes a lot longer than the deadline to initiate. Plus reality shows we have control over Congress through the voting process which is something proven the last election as to spending habits. Boehner walking away shows how the House GOP is inflexible to compromize while holding the debt ceiling as hostage to budget talks. All I can say if the program cuts that Obama mentioned are enacted, then tax increases for those making over $1 Million should be part of it for additional deficit reductions. I am speechless that the GOP got what they wanted with no tax increases yet dug their heels in as if no one figure this out for what it is.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:24:45pm |
boenher just went flat out anti-tax and full on anti-regulation.
There is no negotiating with that.
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thecommodore Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:25:44pm |
re: #16 mr.fusion
What an amazing press conference.
I've been waiting for him to make many of these statements. Pointing out the Repubs can't take yes as an answer, calling out Boehner for not taking on the extremists in his own party, pointing squarely at the Tea Party caucus in the House and shaming them.
Very compelling.
Very compelling indeed. If this Obama were present during the 2010 campaign, maybe these nimrods wouldn't have taken over.
Nice work Mr. President!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:26:10pm |
Norway bomber/shooter is reported to be a man named Anders Behring Breivik, who has a twitter account containing a single message:
One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:26:39pm |
Considering how obnoxious I found Winny's insistence on Islamists being responsible for today's horrible events in Norway, I expected to be happy that she was apparently wrong. Unfortunately, I'm not because:
1.) It's only a matter of time before Islamists DO pull off something else.
2.) It means there are potentially MORE groups who are willing to use the same murderous means to reach their ends.
Neither thought gives me any pleasure.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:26:47pm |
re: #128 albusteve
I have an opinion that diverges from the consensus, so I'm snarked into the gutter...hahaha!...good old LGF
I thought that was a funny poke. No offense was meant.
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:27:03pm |
re: #126 Obdicut
Even if that is the guy's name, might be a totally different dude with the same name.
Proceed with caution.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:27:25pm |
Image: article-2017709-0D1F33FB00000578-704_306x512.jpg
Wait. He looks like a mason.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:27:55pm |
Between the budget talks, NFL negotiations taking a turn for the worse, and it being Friday......I think it's time to open the bottle of Jack
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:28:30pm |
re: #137 Sergey Romanov
Image: article-2017709-0D1F33FB00000578-704_306x512.jpg
Wait. He looks like a mason.
That's him?!?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:28:56pm |
re: #135 Naso Tang
I thought that was a funny poke. No offense was meant.
I never owned gold bars....just Krugerrands and jewlery....but I do live in a cave
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:29:22pm |
re: #119 Gus 802
@BreakingNews Breaking News
Utoya shooting-Oslo bombing suspect reportedly named Anders Behring Breivik, a right-winger [Link: bit.ly...]
No shit. Well, I guess that settles it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:29:32pm |
re: #139 Gus 802
That's him?!?
Acc. to Daily Fail.
I'm counting seconds before this appears at prisonplanet... I could write the text myself.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:29:39pm |
re: #132 thecommodore
Very compelling indeed. If this Obama were present during the 2010 campaign, maybe these nimrods wouldn't have taken over.
Nice work Mr. President!
I don't think so.
These nimrods had been gunning for 2010 since late night Nov 4, 2008, it's not unusual for one house of the sitting president's party to lose during midterms, and you have numbnuts like FDL, HP and Ed Schultz lefties doing stupid shit like writing in Matthew Sheppard to protest DADT not being ended on January 20, 2009.
Lots of reasons went into the 2010 vote, including the perception of Caveman Obama.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:29:47pm |
(It could be just a college garb, of course.)
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:29:49pm |
re: #140 albusteve
I never owned gold bars...just Krugerrands and jewlery...but I do live in a cave
Gotcha. I'll remember that for the future.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:30:54pm |
re: #123 Gus 802
Hmmm. That was fast...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I was just checking that. I doubt that's his facebook and I can't find a "fluxblog" that seems to be from him.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:31:08pm |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
No shit. Well, I guess that settles it.
Maybe, maybe not, still unconfirmed. But if so he's the guy in the Facebook page then he's a self identified Christian and a fan of the show Dexter.
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:31:39pm |
re: #145 Sergey Romanov
(It could be just a college garb, of course.)
Freemasonry is listed under his 'Activities and Interests'. If that's our guy...
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Kid A Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:32:11pm |
re: #142 Sergey Romanov
Acc. to Daily Fail.
I'm counting seconds before this appears at prisonplanet... I could write the text myself.
The truth will set you free!
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:32:16pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
I was just checking that. I doubt that's his facebook and I can't find a "fluxblog" that seems to be from him.
Just says he "maintained" "fluxblog". Could mean that was just a form of employment without any ideological meaning.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:32:33pm |
If it were, I'd never go by FB profiles for clues. People can say anything on those.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:32:42pm |
re: #143 Gus 802
Possibly the worst chin beard I've ever seen.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:33:26pm |
OK, if it's him, every nutso out there will have the same script.
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Alexzander Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:33:43pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:34:32pm |
re: #155 Alexzander
LOL
What happened to RedState?
[Link: www.redstate.com...]
Maybe it died of embarrassment.
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Kid A Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:34:39pm |
re: #155 Alexzander
LOL
What happened to RedState?
[Link: www.redstate.com...]
Just another RedState: Where the VRWC Conspires Online site
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:34:58pm |
And here's LGF's good friend fjordturd:
Indeed it could. It would be the absolutely worst possible news in the current situation and will have repercussions far beyond my tiny nation for many years to come. It will have evil people from George Soros via the Muslim Brotherhood to Bill Ayers grinning with joy.
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:35:20pm |
re: #152 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If it were, I'd never go by FB profiles for clues. People can say anything on those.
Looks like the page was made July 17th and 18th. And no friends!
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:36:14pm |
GOP - lets screw the little guy so Grover Norquist keeps filling our campaign coffers.........
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:36:34pm |
re: #158 Sergey Romanov
And here's LGF's good friend fjordturd:
Projection. He would have been sooo happy to have a real Islamist terrorist attack to make himself look right.
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Kid A Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:38:30pm |
Indeed it could. It would be the absolutely worst possible news in the current situation and will have repercussions far beyond my tiny nation for many years to come. It will have evil people from George Soros via the Muslim Brotherhood to Bill Ayers grinning with joy.
Soros plant!
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:39:32pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:39:37pm |
re: #162 Kid A
Apparent right-wing white terrorist attacks, and it gets blamed on a Jew why?
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Gus Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:40:09pm |
Clearly "Anders Behring Breivik" is a product of gender feminism!!11ty
//
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Kid A Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:40:13pm |
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Spocomptonite Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:40:14pm |
re: #138 mr.fusion
Between the budget talks, NFL negotiations taking a turn for the worse, and it being Friday...I think it's time to open the bottle of Jack
No sir, I respectfully disagree. This plus this makes everything in the world seem just fine and dandy. Trust me. Plus its cold, so unless you're over here in Washington Statethe only place not having a heat wave, it will give you the feel-good trifecta of taste, temperature, and excessive alcohol.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:41:23pm |
re: #161 wrenchwench
Projection. He would have been sooo happy to have a real Islamist terrorist attack to make himself look right.
Literally so (another turd):
I'm sorry to say that i'm almost cryng of happiness. Better to shake up now and save your country than to fool yourself and let your country be destroyed!My condolences to the Norwegian people! Long live Norway!
But the most important one:
WAKE UP NORWAY!
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:41:34pm |
re: #163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Hah. Some admin's wishlist apparently is now accessible.
Among the items he wants is a guide to MegaMan.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:41:57pm |
re: #164 Obdicut
If he was a mason, it _will_ get blamed on Jews.
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:42:29pm |
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:42:48pm |
For anyone who missed the Presidents remarks.....
[Link: c-span.org...]
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:44:26pm |
re: #170 Sergey Romanov
If he was a mason, it _will_ get blamed on Jews.
What the hell? Why?
I've never run into this one before. People seriously think that the Freemasons, of George Washington and Nicolae Bălcescu fame, is somehow controlled by Jews?
What the fuck don't we own already?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:45:16pm |
re: #167 Spocomptonite
No sir, I respectfully disagree. This plus this makes everything in the world seem just fine and dandy. Trust me. Plus its cold, so unless you're over here in
Washington Statethe only place not having a heat wave, it will give you the feel-good trifecta of taste, temperature, and excessive alcohol.
my new thing is vodka mixed with 'berry flavored' Splash
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:45:36pm |
Still doesn't make sense. If the guy was a right wing Christian extremist I can understand the government bombing but why the summer camp filled with Swedish kids? Why not immigrants or Jews? These guys usually want to make a point but I don't see the right wing motivation for attacking a summer camp.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:46:06pm |
re: #171 wrenchwench
Screenshots prove nothing nowadays. I gots betta:
[Link: www.webcitation.org...]
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:46:23pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Still doesn't make sense. If the guy was a right wing Christian extremist I can understand the government bombing but why the summer camp filled with Swedish kids? Why not immigrants or Jews? These guys usually want to make a point but I don't see the right wing motivation for attacking a summer camp.
It was the summer camp of the left-wing party that's in control of Norway.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:46:57pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Still doesn't make sense. If the guy was a right wing Christian extremist I can understand the government bombing but why the summer camp filled with Swedish kids? Why not immigrants or Jews? These guys usually want to make a point but I don't see the right wing motivation for attacking a summer camp.
totally illogical to butcher the very people it seems you want to protect
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:46:59pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Still doesn't make sense. If the guy was a right wing Christian extremist I can understand the government bombing but why the summer camp filled with Swedish kids?
The summer camp was organised by the Left/Labour party.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:47:15pm |
re: #175 Obdicut
Eh, Obdi, Judeo-Masonic conspiracy is the *classic* of the genre. E.g. look up "zhidomasony".
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albusteve Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:47:57pm |
re: #179 Obdicut
It was the summer camp of the left-wing party that's in control of Norway.
and then maybe he just hates kids...seriously, there is no bottom to that pit...who knows wtf he was thinking
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:48:33pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:49:36pm |
re: #182 Sergey Romanov
Eh, Obdi, Judeo-Masonic conspiracy is the *classic* of the genre. E.g. look up "zhidomasony".
I see from a quick look at Wiki that the Nazis killed freemasons too, on that assumption.
I could imagine Freemasons by dint of their professions and education might have been less anti-Semitic than others, but they're still nearly all white.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:50:14pm |
re: #175 Obdicut
What the hell? Why?
I've never run into this one before. People seriously think that the Freemasons, of George Washington and Nicolae Bălcescu fame, is somehow controlled by Jews?
What the fuck don't we own already?
Two additional points.
1. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
2. In the RGVA (the Russian State Military Archive), in the section with the trophy materials, there are millions of pages - literal tons - of materials on masonry. They've all been captured from the Nazis (Rosenberg etc.). Just to give you a glimpse of how the Nazis saw it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:51:35pm |
re: #182 Sergey Romanov
Eh, Obdi, Judeo-Masonic conspiracy is the *classic* of the genre. E.g. look up "zhidomasony".
I blame Nesta Webster.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:52:30pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Still doesn't make sense. If the guy was a right wing Christian extremist I can understand the government bombing but why the summer camp filled with Swedish kids? Why not immigrants or Jews? These guys usually want to make a point but I don't see the right wing motivation for attacking a summer camp.
Copycat crazies. Fame.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 22, 2011 4:53:04pm |
re: #188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I blame Nesta Webster.
The Jesuits were as smokescreen for Jews?
Only in the sense of being present at burning pyres.
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Lidane Fri, Jul 22, 2011 5:24:17pm |
re: #68 celticdragon
Pretty fucking easy for you to shoot off your mouth when you are not on disability or applying for federal student aid.
Seriously.
I'm damn near broke right now as it is. If the federal student loans don't come through, not only is school out of my reach, but so are my rent and my bills. I NEED those loans to have a place to live past August.
If the GOP fucks this up, I can't imagine any scenario where I'd ever vote for them again, no matter what happens in the future.
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simoom Fri, Jul 22, 2011 6:45:18pm |
re: #91 Spocomptonite
I'm flying to Albuquerque next month, I need the FAA!
Actually, there's probably no avoiding that one. FAA funding expires tonight and employees will be furloughed.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration will halt some operations at midnight after the House of Representatives and Senate adjourned today without agreeing on legislation to extend the agency’s authority.The disagreement means the FAA has to furlough as many as 4,000 workers tomorrow and stop collecting about $200 million a week in airplane-ticket and other taxes until it is resolved, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said yesterday. Air- traffic controllers, considered essential employees, would remain on the job.
The agency has been without long-term funding legislation since 2007 and has operated on a series of short-term extensions, the most recent of which expires at midnight.
...
The House on July 19 approved a bill to keep the FAA funded through Sept. 16. Written by Representative John Mica, a Florida Republican who chairs the House transportation committee, it includes a provision restricting subsidies to small airports that has drawn the ire of leading Senate Democrats.
The House bill would eliminate assistance for air service to 13 rural communities, including towns in Nevada, home state of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid; West Virginia, whose senior senator is Mica’s counterpart, Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller; and Montana, whose senior senator, Max Baucus, chairs the Finance Committee.
Rockefeller wrote to Mica on July 19 saying, “Your attempt to punish the Senate by hurting small community air service has backfired -- this language only guarantees that the Senate will reject the FAA extension.”
Baucus and Senator Lisa Murkowski, an Alaska Republican, today urged their colleagues to back extension legislation without the rural airports language. Republicans blocked that bill, offered by Baucus and Rockefeller, from a floor vote. Democrats then thwarted Republicans’ attempt to bring Mica’s version to a vote.
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