Overnight Open Thread
An era can be said to end when its basic illusions are exhausted.
— Arthur Miller
An era can be said to end when its basic illusions are exhausted.
— Arthur Miller
2 | freetoken Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:51:33pm |
An era can be said to end when its basic illusions are exhausted.
Applies to so much of pop culture of America.
3 | freetoken Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:52:52pm |
Gardening.
I propose that if more Americans had to grow a noticeable amount of their own food then we'd be much better off, not just health-wise but with our social interactions and cultural dynamics.
4 | Kragar Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:42:03pm |
Adam Sandler sets a new record
Adam Sandler broke one of Hollywood's most undesirable records Sunday: He received the most Razzie nominations ever by a star in one year. The annual Golden Raspberry Awards, now in their 32nd year, reward the worst in film, and Sandler received a record 11 nods for his work as a writer, actor, and producer in a trio of critically-ravaged 2011 films — Jack and Jill, Just Go With It, and Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star. Though Sandler's been branded "the patron saint of scathing critical responses," he nevertheless remains one of Hollywood's few reliable box office stars.
5 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:08:24am |
re: #4 Kragar
that guy's laughing all the way to the bank
It'd be like giving GWAR a razzie, they'd just make a razzie costume and sodomize it
6 | freetoken Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:34:42am |
1961 - a year in American pop music in which the billboard top hits have proven to have good staying power as iconic American music. Among those with hits that year was Connie Francis:
7 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:23:33am |
So Mitt can start venturing back to the middle now, or does he wait until after Super Tuesday just to be sure?
9 | researchok Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:32:20am |
re: #6 freetoken
Great music, great lyrics.
I do wonder about the nostalgia thing- was life really so much simpler back then?
10 | EdDantes Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:36:13am |
re: #9 researchok
Great movie too. I saw at the theater when I was six. Probably the first spring break movie.
11 | freetoken Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:37:36am |
re: #9 researchok
I do wonder about the nostalgia thing- was life really so much simpler back then?
"An era can be said to end when its basic illusions are exhausted."
The assassinations and the Vietnam war exhausted the illusions, and that era is gone forever.
As they said back in 1961, "milk and honey on the other side":
12 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:46:15am |
I vaguely remember the Cuban missile Crisis as a kid, I thought it would be totally cool to have a bunker in the backyard to use as a playhouse.
13 | researchok Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:52:06am |
re: #11 freetoken
It's true- the assassinations and Vietnam changed everything.
There is a seminal point in every life where we come to realize our parents are less than perfect- they can be wrong in a big way.
Until then, we blame ourselves, defend them and do their bidding- and if we don't or things go wrong, the fault is our own.
Then we start to grow up.
14 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:00:40am |
re: #6 freetoken
very very few of these songs speak to me at all: [Link: www.musicoutfitters.com...]
1961 might have been good for you, but eh, not so much for me ;-) when i think of iconic american music, I often go to punk bands and seminal rock, Social Distortion, The Stooges, Springsteen
15 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:02:45am |
My older sister was really big into Beatlemania but lost interest in them when they grew long hair and went psychedelic.
I did not "rediscover" them until after they had broken up.
17 | EdDantes Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:53:17am |
No, my friend. As long as there is the spirit of patriotism and honor, this thread is not dead. As long as men yearn and hunger for justice and truth and righteousness this thread is not dead. As long as men lift up their eyes to heaven and with tears streaming down their cheeks and their hands reaching to God vowing fidelity to American ideals, this thread is not dead!
(unless I just killed it.)
18 | Obdicut Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:53:57am |
re: #17 EdDantes
As long as men lift up their eyes to heaven and with tears streaming down their cheeks and their hands reaching to God vowing fidelity to American ideals, this thread is not dead!
Gee, I hope they're not driving.
19 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:55:38am |
I am just killing time waiting for a proofreading job to show up...
20 | EdDantes Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:56:13am |
re: #18 Obdicut
That would be unfortunate, but entertaining.
21 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:04:52am |
If given a choice between fidelity to American ideals and fidelity to his current wife, we all know what a true patriot would choose!
22 | Obdicut Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:09:06am |
re: #21 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
I hope America holds an aspirin between her knees.
23 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:09:15am |
Morning Folks. My jury duty ended before it even got a chance to get started. I'm actually a little sad.
24 | EdDantes Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:13:26am |
25 | Obdicut Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:20:36am |
This is getting really ridiculous.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
Basically, corporations are people, unless you want to sue them for violations of some laws, like the ones against, oh, piracy, kidnapping, and torture. Then you can only sue 'natural persons'.
26 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:22:11am |
re: #25 Obdicut
It's all about having the best of both legal forms and the disadvantages of neither...
27 | EdDantes Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:26:40am |
Good for Stephen Hawking. He's a perv like the rest of us.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
28 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:41:40am |
re: #27 EdDantes
Good for Stephen Hawking. He's a perv like the rest of us.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
not at all concerned at all unless he was doing it at the taxpayers' expense
29 | A Mom Anon Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:42:58am |
re: #3 freetoken
Victory Gardens. I don't think that's ever gone away,but I think you're right that food and the growing,prepping and cooking of it could help bring people together.
30 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:46:29am |
re: #29 A Mom Anon
The problem with an extreme Free Market ideology is that it often ignores the inherent values of certain activities that cannot be quantified by the market.
Food is not just a commodity, it is a vital part of our existence. We see this in our overreaction to anything to do with eating, from popular infatuation with the latest diet trend to right-wing outrage over Michelle Obama's nutritional advice.
31 | EdDantes Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:54:47am |
re: #28 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
not at all concerned at all unless he was doing it at the taxpayers' expense
I'm not in the least bit concerned either. I meant, "good for stephen Hawking." He's a man and having fun.
32 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:54:53am |
re: #28 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
not at all concerned at all unless he was doing it at the taxpayers' expense
I've already seen the video:
33 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:57:13am |
re: #31 EdDantes
I'm not in the least bit concerned either. I meant, "good for stephen Hawking." He's a man and having fun.
Well, men are allowed and encouraged to do such things. Women who do so are sluts who need to be shamed in public, though...
/
34 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:59:02am |
Joan Walsh uses Mormon joke, quickly retracts:
Salon’s Joan Walsh Draws Controversy After Tweeting Mormon ‘Joke’ Targeting Romney
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Salon Editor-In-Chief Joan Walsh ignited a firestorm of controversy after she tweeted a joke critical of Mormons at Mitt Romney‘s expense. Alluding to the Mormon tradition of post-mortem baptisms, Walsh derisively wrote “Romney’s saving the soul of America – so he doesn’t have to baptize us after we’re dead.”
Personally I think that's funny.
35 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:02:41am |
re: #34 RogueOne
This is the standard tactic of various religions: they shove their odd beliefs in our faces until we react.
And even if we do so light-heartedly and wittily, they take it as an offense and intolerance towards their deeply-held religious beliefs that you can retroactively baptize dead Holocaust victims.
36 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:08:03am |
re: #35 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
I don't know that I'd say that but if you're spending your time "baptizing" dead people you should expect a little teasing about it. Also, I don't feel the need to agree with a persons political viewpoints to recognize a good zinger and Joan's was a good one.
37 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:11:15am |
Fears grow of Israel-Iran missile shootout
[Link: openchannel.msnbc.msn.com...]
The emerging consensus among current and former U.S. officials and other experts interviewed by NBC News is that that an Israeli attack would be a multi-faceted assault on key Iranian nuclear installations, involving strikes by both warplanes and missiles. It could also include targeted attacks by Israeli special operations forces and possibly even the use of massive explosives-laden drones, they say.
....
“Two words: Jericho missiles,” said one former White House and Pentagon official, speaking on condition of anonymity, when asked how Israel would attack Iranian targets at great distances. “They are conventionally armed, have a very small CEP (circular error of probability, meaning they are highly accurate) and can be used in conjunction with a strike fighter operation.”
What a great name for a missile platform "Jericho".
38 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:11:43am |
The point that needs to be made about the Mormon Church is that they are a very secretive, patriarchal and socially conservative organization. One that actively excluded blacks until threatened with loss of their tax-exempt status.
Although I appreciate their emphasis on the family, I still have some concerns about aspects their own private agenda that they are not sharing with the rest of the world.
39 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:18:55am |
re: #38 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
The point that needs to be made about the Mormon Church is that they are a very secretive, patriarchal and socially conservative organization. One that actively excluded blacks until threatened with loss of their tax-exempt status.
Although I appreciate their emphasis on the family, I still have some concerns about aspects their own private agenda that they are not sharing with the rest of the world.
They did not exclude blacks. They did not let blacks be ordained to any priesthood offices. I.e. what the Catholic and Orthodox churches and many Jewish and Muslim denominations do to women.
40 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:19:56am |
re: #36 RogueOne
I don't know that I'd say that but if you're spending your time "baptizing" dead people you should expect a little teasing about it. Also, I don't feel the need to agree with a persons political viewpoints to recognize a good zinger and Joan's was a good one.
If you spend your time baptizing people, praying or taking any scriptures seriously, you should expect a little teasing about it.
41 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:21:52am |
re: #40 Sergey Romanov
If you spend your time baptizing people, praying or taking any scriptures seriously, you should expect a little teasing about it.
Again, I don't know about that, generally baptisms involve live people making conscious decisions. It's the baptizing dead people that I find amusing.
43 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:24:05am |
re: #41 RogueOne
Again, I don't know about that, generally baptisms involve live people making conscious decisions. It's the baptizing dead people that I find amusing.
I thought the point was the absurdity of rites. And baptizing the dead doesn't strike me any more absurd than baptizing the living.
As for decisions, again, if you believe that stuff, the dead will make a decision in the afterlife whether to accept the baptism or not.
44 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:29:26am |
re: #39 Sergey Romanov
They did not exclude blacks. They did not let blacks be ordained to any priesthood offices. I.e. what the Catholic and Orthodox churches and many Jewish and Muslim denominations do to women.
I see inded that there wre black Mormons, just second-class Mormons, like women are second-class Catholics and Muslims...
The point is that the LDS church's views on women, blacks and family, although just fine for themselves, are very far removed from what most Americans have come to accept over the past decades.
45 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:33:21am |
re: #43 Sergey Romanov
Generally christian denominations believe once you die, it's too late to save your soul. ("Anyone who rejects the Holy Spirit's convicting influence and does not repent will not be forgiven, 'neither in this world, neither in the world to come'". ) I guess the Mormon baptizing the dead rituals is sort of similar to the catholic beliefs re: purgatory, a belief which is a handy way for the church to make some money. I wonder if the Mormon church charges a fee for their after-death baptismals or if they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.
46 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:35:21am |
re: #45 RogueOne
I wonder if the Mormon church charges a fee for their after-death baptismals or if they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.
Where would they send the bill? To Switzerland, where they are still hoarding Jewish gold?
/
47 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:37:17am |
re: #44 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Oh, that is true. This also concerns attitudes to LGBT. The point is, most traditional, conservative religions are like that, just with different quirks (tho admittedly, discrimination of blacks was in addition to discrimination of women). I just don't think a Mormon merits "more" scrutiny as a Mormon than a Catholic. It still boils down to an individual. E.g. I don't care if Jon Huntsman is a Mormon - he is undoubtedly better than the rest of the current field regardless.
48 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:38:30am |
re: #47 Sergey Romanov
And Mormon Harry Reid fought against DADT.
49 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:38:56am |
re: #47 Sergey Romanov
Unless Harry Reid and Mitt Romney are going to team up and mandate "Mormon Bloomers Friday" I don't really care how they spend their sunday mornings.
50 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:43:05am |
re: #45 RogueOne
No, they don't charge anything of course, since nobody asks them to do that. Mormon eschatology is pretty good compared to traditional Christian views. E.g. only a very few people go to "outer darkness"/hell - murderers. The rest go to 3 degrees of the celestial glory - terrestrial, telestial and celestial kingdoms. Usual sinners, non-believers etc. etc. end up on the lower degree, but that is still part of a celestial kingdom, not hell. Which is kinda more humane than unbaptized infants going to hell.
Supposedly, the necro-baptism opens the door for anyone (except presumably murderers - altho Hitler was necro-baptized too) to enter the highest degrees of glory. The dead can choose, of course.
51 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:47:34am |
Religion alone is not a reason to vote for or against anyone, but that is the sort of reaction that any discussion of a candidate's religion is likely to provoke.
I am not anti-religious, I am just very anti-clerical and highly suspicious of hierarchically organized religions like the Catholics and Mormons.
52 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:49:34am |
And when the hierarchies and conventions start playing political influence and direct lobbying games they will and should come under greater scrutiny.
53 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:59:36am |
Especially when, as we all know, Catholicism and Papism are inseparable in nature, as are Islam and Islamism.
/
54 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:00:08am |
I have some uncles and aunts and cousins who are LDS. They're the least frightening folks I know. (They don't even listen to Donnie and Marie).
55 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:05:38am |
Mitt is entirely un-scary. But the reason I would not vote for him has almost nothing to do with his religion.
56 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:06:28am |
The LDS church, by proxy, is going to be demonized out of them over the next several months.
It's gonna be Romney's Jeremiah Wright.
57 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:08:52am |
re: #55 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Mitt is entirely un-scary. But the reason I would not vote for him has almost nothing to do with his religion.
Unscary until his biological film covering takes sufficient damage and the T-850 Corporate Terminator underneath is revealed.
//
58 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:10:00am |
re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The LDS church, by proxy, is going to be demonized out of them over the next several months.
It's gonna be Romney's Jeremiah Wright.
It hasn't happened yet, and we're dealing with wingnutties Christianist wingnuts here, Santorum and Gingrich. Which surprises me. So I'm not completely sure it will be that big a deal in the general. But who knows.
59 | Aye Pod Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:10:16am |
Morning folks! Bought some asafoetida as it was recommended by a recipe. Opened the lid and had a sniff. No way is that stuff going anywhere near my food.
60 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:11:27am |
re: #59 Jimmah
Morning folks! Bought some asafoetida as it was recommended by a recipe. Opened the lid and had a sniff. No way is that stuff going anywhere near my food.
Something that has "foetid" in the name is bad? Color me surprised! ///////
61 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:12:09am |
re: #59 Jimmah
Morning folks! Bought some asafoetida as it was recommended by a recipe. Opened the lid and had a sniff. No way is that stuff going anywhere near my food.
I had to look it up.
Asafoetida (Ferula assafoetida), alternative spelling asafetida,(play /æsəˈfɛtɨdə/)[1] (also known as devil's dung, stinking gum, asant, food of the gods, giant fennel, Jowani badian, hing and ting) is the dried latex (gum oleoresin) exuded from the living underground rhizome or tap root of several species of Ferula, which is a perennial herb.
I'll eat anything once but I think I'll pass on satan poop.
62 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:12:13am |
re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The LDS church, by proxy, is going to be demonized out of them over the next several months.
It's gonna be Romney's Jeremiah Wright.
It will put him in the position of having to dance around his religion and its tenets, which will further enhance his image as a man of no fixed principles.
63 | Aye Pod Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:12:17am |
re: #60 Sergey Romanov
It's also known as 'devil's dung' - guess I just didn't read the signs.
64 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:13:01am |
re: #59 Jimmah
Morning folks! Bought some asafoetida as it was recommended by a recipe. Opened the lid and had a sniff. No way is that stuff going anywhere near my food.
it is entirely different once it has been fried up. trust me. a key engredient in a lot of turkish/oriental dishes.
65 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:14:05am |
Mmm, fried devil's dung. Just rolls off the tongue!///////
66 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:14:22am |
re: #62 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
It will put him in the position of having to dance around his religion and its tenets, which will further enhance his image as a man of no fixed principles.
I don't know. It's sure to be an issue in some circles but I don't think it will be an issue for the majority of the voters....I hope.
67 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:15:36am |
re: #62 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Just like President Obama had to do with the church he attended.
I think it's a non-issue. But it will be made into an issue.
68 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:16:42am |
Just saw a funny line on FB...
"Voting for President is exactly like choosing which STD is best for you."
69 | Aye Pod Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:17:50am |
Speaking of food - we've been watching Top Chef again. Some of the challenges have been getting really silly lately - so much that I joked to ice a few weeks ago that they'll end up having a Nordic skiing event with an archery round. Last week they actually had that on the show so I suppose they're now officially beyond parody.
70 | Aye Pod Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:21:07am |
re: #64 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
it is entirely different once it has been fried up. trust me. a key engredient in a lot of turkish/oriental dishes.
Ok - I'll maybe give it a try then. (It's for a curry).
71 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:23:36am |
re: #66 RogueOne
I don't know. It's sure to be an issue in some circles but I don't think it will be an issue for the majority of the voters...I hope.
For a small, very vocal minority it will become an object of fixation. And this small, vocal minority is one that has a lot of influence in politics, especially in the GOP...
72 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:24:24am |
re: #70 Jimmah
Ok - I'll maybe give it a try then. (It's for a curry).
Try it, really. If you don't like it, send it to me. I am fresh out and have some chickpeas that I want to curry up.
73 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:25:20am |
Good morning!
This is my last day at the old job so they can make me a "farewell" party and then I am going on to bigger and better things and double the pay rate!
Job search always sucks, but this was the least sucky job search of my entire career, including Y2K.
In recovering Detroit economy, job applies for you!
75 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:26:34am |
Morning Lizardim. So, working from home yesterday was an oops, but today, it's a necessity. This is what happens when you trust the weather forecasters instead of waiting to check conditions for yourself. Oh well. Hopefully the bosses won't be too upset about it.
76 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:27:15am |
re: #69 Jimmah
Speaking of food - we've been watching Top Chef again. Some of the challenges have been getting really silly lately - so much that I joked to ice a few weeks ago that they'll end up having a Nordic skiing event with an archery round. Last week they actually had that on the show so I suppose they're now officially beyond parody.
That just sounds like a lower tech version of biathlon.
Now, combine ski jumping with crossbow shooting (while in the air) and I'd be willing to watch that, if just for the laughs.
77 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:28:08am |
re: #61 RogueOne
I had to look it up.
Asafoetida (Ferula assafoetida), alternative spelling asafetida,(play /æsəˈfɛtɨdə/)[1] (also known as devil's dung, [snip]
I'll eat anything once but I think I'll pass on satan poop.
But you can pass me a hit of that Devils Crabgrass!
78 | compound_Idaho Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:29:06am |
Utah bill requires that at least two drinkers be on the state liquor commission.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
If you think their underwear is funny, wait until you see their liquor laws.
79 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:29:18am |
re: #61 RogueOne
I had to look it up.
Asafoetida (Ferula assafoetida), alternative spelling asafetida,(play /æsəˈfɛtɨdə/)[1] (also known as devil's dung, stinking gum, asant, food of the gods, giant fennel, Jowani badian, hing and ting) is the dried latex (gum oleoresin) exuded from the living underground rhizome or tap root of several species of Ferula, which is a perennial herb.
I'll eat anything once but I think I'll pass on satan poop.
Why would somebody eat that? To win a bet?
80 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:31:05am |
81 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:31:55am |
re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion
Why would somebody eat that? To win a bet?
Counter-question: why would someone eat human ears? ;)
82 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:32:15am |
One of the arguments that drives me nuts is...."If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't mind willingly giving up your rights to prove it..."
CSPD SWAT Team Raids MMJ Patients' Home
No Charges Filed
[Link: www.krdo.com...]
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- The Colorado Springs Police SWAT team raids the home where two medical marijuana patients live, but no arrests are made or charges filed. The raid was caught on security cameras, and the patients tell TARGET 13 they believe excessive force was used.
The video shows at least 13 SWAT officers coming to the door of the home. After the first officer reaches the door, about 15 seconds pass before another officer rams it open and a flash bang is thrown inside.
......
Ball said the raid was prompted by tips to investigators from his roommate's estranged ex who told police that there was an illegal number of medical marijuana plants in the house. Police first came to his door on Christmas night. Police agree, he and his roommate showed their medical marijuana cards, but refused to let officers in the house without a search warrant."If you have nothing to hide, most people would open the door and say, 'Yes, please come in and and let's dispel any information you have because it's false'," said Colorado Springs Police spokesperson Barbara Miller.
Either willingly give up your rights or a judge will allow 13 SWAT members to toss in a flash-bang grenade and swarm your house based on nothing more than the word of one informant which could be your "estranged ex".
83 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:33:24am |
re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion
Why would somebody eat that? To win a bet?
Same reason people eat insects, sea creatures, brains, eyeballs, tongues, stomachs, and intestines: because they think it's delicious are fucking insane.
84 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:34:00am |
re: #82 RogueOne
Lots of luck getting Colorado Springs to pay for the door replacement. Or for any other damage inflicted by the raid.
85 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:34:19am |
re: #83 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
Same reason people eat insects, sea creatures, brains, eyeballs, tongues, stomachs, and intestines: because they
think it's deliciousare fucking insane.
Who was the first person to eat a lobster?
Who was the first person to realize that lobster is delicious when it's cooked alive?
86 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:34:57am |
re: #81 Sergey Romanov
Counter-question: why would someone eat human ears? ;)
I don't know. Why do you?
87 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:35:22am |
re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion
Why would somebody eat that? To win a bet?
Asafetida is used as a medicinal in Eastern Kentucky. The only people I knew put it in an "asafetidy bag" and hung it around babies' and grownups' necks as a prevention. (Not a good way to prevent infant strangulation.) No one ate it IIRC.
88 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:35:37am |
89 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:35:40am |
re: #85 Learned Mother of Zion
Who was the first person to eat a lobster?
Who was the first person to realize that lobster is delicious when it's cooked alive?
Right after someone's fishing boat caught on fire and burned.
90 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:38:42am |
Most of the classic dishes come from when society was dirt poor. Poor, hungry people will eat anything and everything.
In a modern society there is no excuse for eating chickens feet./
91 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:41:30am |
re: #88 Sergey Romanov
I don't eat Haman's ears! ;)
Those are not real ears; those are just triangular-shaped filled pastries.
Maybe in Russia they are real ears?//
92 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:42:07am |
re: #91 Learned Mother of Zion
Those are not real ears; those are just triangular-shaped filled pastries.
Just as asafoetida is not really devil's dung. There's no devil!
93 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:42:10am |
Since we're talking food discovery, is everyone familiar with Charles Lamb's "A Dissertation Upon Roast Pig"?
94 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:42:13am |
re: #89 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Right after someone's fishing boat caught on fire and burned.
Why would someone fill a fishing boat with lobster, if lobster weren't known to be safe to eat?
95 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:42:31am |
re: #94 Learned Mother of Zion
Why would someone fill a fishing boat with lobster, if lobster weren't known to be safe to eat?
Maybe it was the only thing biting that day.
96 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:42:38am |
re: #94 Learned Mother of Zion
Why would someone fill a fishing boat with lobster, if lobster weren't known to be safe to eat?
by-catch of course.
97 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:43:25am |
Anyone following the Dharun Ravi "cyberbullying" trial?
Dharun Ravi cyberbullying trial: Clementi's unnamed guest prepares to testify
[Link: blog.nj.com...]
This story out of the New Yorker is a few weeks old but it's a very good write-up:
The Story of a Suicide
Two college roommates, a webcam, and a tragedy.
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
98 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:45:22am |
re: #93 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Since we're talking food discovery, is everyone familiar with Charles Lamb's "A Dissertation Upon Roast Pig"?
If that's the story of a burning barn in ancient China, and a boy who licks his burned fingers, I've been confusing him with Chesterton.
99 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:45:43am |
re: #82 RogueOne
Guh, Colorado Springs, of course, where the apex megachurch scum make their headquarters
I'd sooner live in my car
100 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46:30am |
re: #98 Decatur Deb
If that's the story of a burning barn in ancient China, and a boy who licks his burned fingers, I've been confusing him with Chesterton.
Not familiar with the story. What happened next? He liked the taste and became a cannibal? /
101 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46:41am |
Lobster was once considered a "trash food" fit only for prisoners, slaves and the destitute:
Dirt-cheap because they were so copious, lobsters were routinely fed to prisoners, apprentices, slaves and children during the colonial era and beyond. In Massachusetts, some servants allegedly sought to avoid lobster-heavy diets by including stipulations in their contracts that they would only be served the shellfish twice a week.
102 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:48:02am |
re: #100 Sergey Romanov
Not familiar with the story. What happened next? He liked the taste and became a cannibal? /
Nope--he just becomes the first to discover the rich, treif-y taste. (Very ancient China.)
103 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:51:40am |
re: #101 Learned Mother of Zion
Lobster was once considered a "trash food" fit only for prisoners, slaves and the destitute:
And that's how they found out it was edible. "Here, slave, roast this for your dinner. Let me know if it kills you."
104 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:51:49am |
This is a law I can get behind!
Fines may increase for left-lane campers on N.J. highways
[Link: www.nj.com...]
Drivers who hate it when fellow travelers clog the left lane, take heart. The New Jersey Senate Transportation Committee Monday advanced a proposal to increase fines for drivers who fail to stay right except to pass — from $50 to $200 now, to $100 to $300, with $50 to go toward signs reminding motorists entering New Jersey about the stay right law.
"Having conversations with law enforcement, they refer to this as one of the triggers for road rage," state Sen. Donald Norcross (D-Camden), the bill sponsor, said of left-lane campers.
He got to experience express lane obstructions first-hand on his way to Trenton Monday, saying, "Certainly, driving here today just reminds me why this is a good bill."
105 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:53:54am |
OK, I'll spoil it. But it's still worth reading.
In Ancient China...
1. Farmer's barn burns down with pig inside
2. Son accidently pokes finger into cooked/burnt pig
3. Son licks burnt fingers and discovers excellent taste
4. Repeat of #2 and #3 - done on purpose
5. Rest of family converted after some plot development
6. Family and other farmers start burning down barns with pigs inside
7. Profit!!!
106 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:55:09am |
re: #105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
OK, I'll spoil it. But it's still worth reading.
In Ancient China...
1. Farmer's barn burns down with pig inside
2. Son accidently pokes finger into cooked/burnt pig
3. Son licks burnt fingers and discovers excellent taste
4. Repeat of #2 and #3 - done on purpose
5. Rest of family converted after some plot development
6. Family and other farmers start burning down barns with pigs inside
7. Profit!!!
Yes--that's the one I was mis-attributing.
107 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:55:36am |
re: #104 RogueOne
This is a law I can get behind!
Fines may increase for left-lane campers on N.J. highways
[Link: www.nj.com...]
I thought the road-rage injection was gotten by default upon getting onto the NJ Turnpike or Garden State Parkway*.
* - A road very capable of living up to its literal title.
108 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:56:17am |
re: #105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
6. Family and other farmers start burning down barns with pigs inside
That doesn't seem like something ancient Chinese would do ;)
109 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:56:42am |
re: #105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
OK, I'll spoil it. But it's still worth reading.
In Ancient China...
1. Farmer's barn burns down with pig inside
2. Son accidently pokes finger into cooked/burnt pig
3. Son licks burnt fingers and discovers excellent taste
4. Repeat of #2 and #3 - done on purpose
5. Rest of family converted after some plot development
6. Family and other farmers start burning down barns with pigs inside
7. Profit!!!
Well, that begs the question: why was the farmer keeping a pig in the first place? What other use would they have for it if they didn't eat it?
110 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:57:08am |
re: #106 Decatur Deb
Yes--that's the one I was mis-attributing.
OK, you should've mentioned that there was pig juice on the fingers ;)
111 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:57:31am |
re: #109 Learned Mother of Zion
Well, that begs the question: why was the farmer keeping a pig in the first place? What other use would they have for it if they didn't eat it?
A pet.
112 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:58:01am |
re: #104 RogueOne
This is a law I can get behind!
Fines may increase for left-lane campers on N.J. highways
[Link: www.nj.com...]
Part of the reason for "left-lane campers" is because the density of entrance ramps on the right-hand side is such that, for people who are going further than a couple of miles, it's easier to just sit in the left lane rather than dealing with merging traffic. This happens a lot on I-394 here in Minneapolis, which runs from downtown out to the city's western limits. There's multiple exit ramps per mile for the full 10-mile stretch, and you'll see most people just camp out in the left-hand lane until they get close enough to their exit. I can't really blame them for it.
113 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:58:19am |
114 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:58:52am |
115 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:59:08am |
re: #109 Learned Mother of Zion
Well, that begs the question: why was the farmer keeping a pig in the first place? What other use would they have for it if they didn't eat it?
Why was there a herd of pigs in the Upper Galilee, handy to receive the demons driven out by Christ?
116 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:59:49am |
re: #115 Decatur Deb
Why was there a herd of pigs in the Upper Galilee, handy to receive the demons driven out by Christ?
For some non-Jewish neighbors, presumably.
117 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:59:56am |
re: #112 thedopefishlives
That's a lousy design. In Indy all the exits are on the right, it confuses the hell out of me when I travel to other cities that have a lot of exits on the left.
118 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:00:24am |
re: #109 Learned Mother of Zion
Well, that begs the question: why was the farmer keeping a pig in the first place? What other use would they have for it if they didn't eat it?
Let's see. A pet, milk, guard, truffle finder, or simply garbage disposal could be possibilities.
It could have been a very special pig as well. But the spider did not survive to tell us.
119 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:00:47am |
re: #116 Sergey Romanov
For some non-Jewish neighbors, presumably.
My Russian butcher in Netanya sold a lot of 'White Steak".
120 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:00:53am |
re: #117 RogueOne
That's a lousy design. In Indy all the exits are on the right, it confuses the hell out of me when I travel to other cities that have a lot of exits on the left.
No, the exits are all on the right. People stay to the left because of all the people entering on the right, which occurs so frequently that it would be a pain to have to switch lanes every quarter mile and equally painful to merge with the streams of traffic coming down the entrance ramps.
121 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:01:26am |
re: #113 Learned Mother of Zion
People don't eat their pets.
What I meant to say, would you have a pet that you can eat?
My grandkids want a pet. When my kids were growing up, they wanted pets, but I didn't want the bother of cleaningup and feeding a pet, so, we had tropical fish in a tank.
Now my daughter-in-law has this idea that you can't have an animal for a pet unless it's a kosher animal, which means dogs and cats and potbelly pigs are right out, but a "pigmy goat" would be OK. So would those goats that are always falling over.
They problem is they are still goats, and smell like goats, and the neighbors would complain.
122 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:02:05am |
re: #115 Decatur Deb
Why was there a herd of pigs in the Upper Galilee, handy to receive the demons driven out by Christ?
When you aren't allowed to eat them they start to pile up. Supposedly India has almost 1/3 of the worlds cattle. I guess that's a direct contradiction of my "poor people will eat anything" meme.
123 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:02:12am |
re: #119 Decatur Deb
My Russian butcher in Netanya sold a lot of 'White Steak".
Yeah, I hear many Russian Jews do not keep kosher, and of course there are lots of non-Jewish members of families. Anyway, from that font of all knowledge:
Many New Testament manuscripts refer to the "Country of the Gadarenes" or "Gerasenes" rather than the Gergesenes. Both Gerasa and Gadara were cities to the east of the Sea of Galilee. They were both Gentile cities filled with citizens who were culturally more Greek than Semitic; this would account for the pigs in the biblical account.
124 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:02:24am |
re: #115 Decatur Deb
Why was there a herd of pigs in the Upper Galilee, handy to receive the demons driven out by Christ?
Jews didn't keep pigs, but Romans, Greeks and Syrians did.
125 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:03:05am |
There was an old ethnographic study about "Why Are There No Old Cows in India?"
126 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:03:50am |
re: #121 Learned Mother of Zion
We're joking around. I assume the burned fingers story is just a story. Of course it wasn't a pet.
127 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:04:29am |
re: #122 RogueOne
When you aren't allowed to eat them they start to pile up. Supposedly India has almost 1/3 of the worlds cattle. I guess that's a direct contradiction of my "poor people will eat anything" meme.
Muslims will eat all the cows that Hindus don't eat, and Hindus will eat all the pigs that Muslims don't eat.
Win-win.
128 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:05:18am |
re: #127 Learned Mother of Zion
Muslims will eat all the cows that Hindus don't eat, and Hindus will eat all the pigs that Muslims don't eat.
Win-win.
Yup. That was the finding.
129 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:07:15am |
As long as we are on the topic of Pigs in Palestine:
130 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:08:07am |
re: #122 RogueOne
When you aren't allowed to eat them they start to pile up. Supposedly India has almost 1/3 of the worlds cattle. I guess that's a direct contradiction of my "poor people will eat anything" meme.
The classical anthro answer to the 'cow taboo' is that a cow produces far more calories as an agricultural tractor and transport than it is worth as an entree.
131 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:09:43am |
re: #129 Learned Mother of Zion
Heh, that's sweet.
133 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:11:27am |
re: #132 Decatur Deb
Talking of pets--dog time--BBL
I count on all pets returning from the walk no matter how hungry you may be! /
134 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:12:28am |
Iran’s underground nuclear sites not immune to U.S. bunker-busters, experts say
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Western spy agencies for years have kept watch on a craggy peak in northwest Iran that houses of one the world’s most unusual nuclear sites. Known as Fordow, the facility is built into mountain bunkers designed to withstand aerial attack. Iran’s civil-defense chief has declared the site “impregnable.”
But impregnable it is not, say U.S. military planners who are increasingly confident of their ability to deliver a serious blow against Fordow, should the president ever order an attack.
....
Yet as a matter of physics, Fordow remains far more vulnerable than generally portrayed, said current and former military and intelligence analysts. Massive new “bunker buster” munitions recently added to the U.S. arsenal would not necessarily have to penetrate the deepest bunkers to cause irreparable damage to infrastructure as well as highly sensitive nuclear equipment, likely setting back Iran’s program by years, officials said.
I wonder how many of those bombs we've already delivered to Israel.
135 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:14:00am |
re: #134 RogueOne
That could give a false hope, though. Who knows how distributed the program is?
136 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:15:23am |
re: #134 RogueOne
Iran’s underground nuclear sites not immune to U.S. bunker-busters, experts say
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]I wonder how many of those bombs we've already delivered to Israel.
If they're that brand new, they may not have any yet. The US is a little bit shy about handing out brand-new military tech, even to our closest allies.
137 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:15:36am |
BREAKING: James Murdoch stepping down from News Corp
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) February 29, 2012
138 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:16:17am |
re: #137 Gus
Well, it's a good start.
140 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:17:19am |
re: #138 Sergey Romanov
Well, it's a good start.
Only the first step in the eventual destruction of News Corp! Bwahahaha! My plan is coming together nicely! Now where's my Naproxin Sodium?
141 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:18:27am |
re: #139 Targetpractice
With or without cuffs?
With cuffs no doubt. Gold plated retirement cuff links.
142 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:19:25am |
In other morning news!
Ron Paul: 'We're very pleased with our strategy'
Yep. Whatever you say Ron. It's coming together nicely.
143 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:20:53am |
re: #142 Gus
And why not? What he does is a political equivalent of masturbation. ;)
144 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:21:35am |
re: #143 Sergey Romanov
And why not? What he does is a political equivalent of masturbation. ;)
Spreading the "Gospel of Ron Paul!"
Derp.
145 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:21:45am |
House votes to overturn Supreme Court decision on eminent domain
[Link: thehill.com...]
The House on Tuesday afternoon approved legislation that overturns a 2005 Supreme Court decision that affirmed the ability of states to take control of private property under the doctrine of eminent domain and hand it to another private developer.
That decision, Kelo v. City of New London, led to sharp complaints in particular from Republicans, who argued that the Court ignored the normal "public use" standard. Under that standard, eminent domain was seen as permissible only when the land or property taken would be retooled for public use.
....
House Republicans brought up the bill under a suspension of House rules, and after a brief debate, members passed it by voice vote. In addition to chief sponsor Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) spoke in favor of the bill, as did two Democrats, Reps. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas).Waters co-sponsored the bill with Sensenbrenner, and both members noted that this rare alliance alone should prompt members to support the bill.
"This is a Sensenbrenner-Waters bill," Sensenbrenner said. "You will never see another Sensenbrenner-Waters bill, and that is probably one of the best reasons to vote in favor of it."
146 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:23:40am |
re: #145 RogueOne
Wait, they can't do that. So I assume it's some sort of a loophole?
147 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:23:44am |
re: #137 Gus
BREAKING: James Murdoch stepping down from News Corp— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) February 29, 2012
Deploying the golden parachute a little earlier than planned, I see.
148 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:23:44am |
America: musical saw, washboard and the one string bass.
[Dobro slide]
Burp. More coffee!
149 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:27:14am |
re: #147 thedopefishlives
Deploying the golden parachute a little earlier than planned, I see.
He quite the fossil. Won't mean much in the long run. Fox News will continue to be the trashy "Entertainment Tonight" of the genre for a long time to come.
150 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:27:33am |
re: #146 Sergey Romanov
Wait, they can't do that. So I assume it's some sort of a loophole?
I'm not sure. Usually when both parties say "Hey, we have a great idea!" I get nervous.// I'm not sure why they think the federal govt has the authority to decide the issue for the states. Weirdly I think I'm in agreement with John Conyers:
Judiciary Committee Ranking Member John Conyers (D-Mich.) was the only member to speak against the bill. He argued that it has been seven years since the Kelo decision, and that many states have adjusted their own eminent domain laws in reaction.
"Congress should not now come charging in after seven years of work and presume to sit as a national zoning board, advocating to our national government the right to decide which states have gotten the balance right, and deciding which project are or are not appropriate," he said.
151 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:29:38am |
re: #149 Gus
He quite the fossil. Won't mean much in the long run. Fox News will continue to be the trashy "Entertainment Tonight" of the genre for a long time to come.
Yeah. It's basically a feel-good measure to try and swing public opinion back the other way. Will it work? Maybe. But either way, Murdoch gets his millions and is set for life. This, by the way, is why I despise the whole concept of the golden parachute; but managers (especially sleazy ones) have been trained to require them in their contracts.
153 | Interesting Times Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:30:39am |
re: #145 RogueOne
House votes to overturn Supreme Court decision on eminent domain
[Link: thehill.com...]
On that note:
Keystone XL Pipeline Relies on Eminent Domain for Success
Take for instance, Randy Thompson, a Nebraska landowner featured in The New York Times. NYT reports that if Thompson did not sell his land, Keystone would use the force of eminent domain to secure an easement to his land. How can a company, not even based in the United States, use the U.S. Federal Government to seize land? He is only one of many individuals fighting the fight against eminent domain.
You said yesterday you think you'll benefit from Keystone. But what of all the landowners in various states being bullied by a foreign corporation into giving up their land for said pipeline?
154 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:32:31am |
re: #145 RogueOne
House votes to overturn Supreme Court decision on eminent domain
[Link: thehill.com...]
Is that like a 1,000-year piece of legislation?
//
155 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:32:42am |
Happy Leap Day everybody.
Any conclusions at hand to leap to?
156 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:33:50am |
re: #150 RogueOne
I'm just saying that the way it is framed is wrong, the House can't override the Supreme Court, unless there are some ways to do that embedded in the decision itself (i.e. it is dependent on existence of some laws).
157 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:35:36am |
re: #156 Sergey Romanov
I'm just saying that the way it is framed it's wrong the House can't override the Supreme Court, unless there are some ways to do that embedded in the decision itself (i.e. it is dependent on existence of some laws existing).
Well, technically, they can. Congress can pass a law that goes against established judicial precedent, if they like. The Supreme Court can turn right around and smack it down, if they so choose. They sort of counterbalance each other that way. Actually, this is one of the things that's commonly brought up in bad court decisions; "If you don't like it, call your Congresscritter and get him to make a law that changes things."
158 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:37:24am |
re: #157 thedopefishlives
Yeah, they can pass unconstitutional laws which will then be smacked down, but they can't explicitly "vote to overturn the Supreme Court". But I get what you're saying.
159 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:39:24am |
re: #158 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, they can pass unconstitutional laws which will then be smacked down, but they can't explicitly "vote to overturn the Supreme Court". But I get what you're saying.
But a law is generally constitutional until deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. It could go in either direction from here.
160 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:40:05am |
re: #158 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, they can pass unconstitutional laws which will then be smacked down, but they can't explicitly "vote to overturn the Supreme Court". But I get what you're saying.
Not without the thankfully cumbersome constitutional amendment route.
161 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:40:35am |
Maybe this is old news but I'm happy about it.
25 Anon members arrested.
162 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:40:36am |
re: #159 Gus
But a law is generally constitutional until deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. It could go in either direction from here.
So a law barring blacks from voting would be constitutional until the SCOTUS said so?
163 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:40:44am |
In any event. The archaic system we have will take care of things. Eventually.
164 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:40:52am |
re: #153 Interesting Times
I go back and forth on the eminent domain issue, there's a lot of gray area in it for me. That's partly why I agree with Conyers on the bill I mentioned above. I think Kelo was a horrible decision based on the particulars but there are times when the govt has an actual need and a right to take property. I'd prefer the locals determine when those times are and not a federal law making the decision for everyone.
In the case of the pipeline I don't know enough to decide how I feel just yet. On one hand they just want access for an easement, the property owner isn't really losing much. OTOH, it is their property and they should be allowed to decide if they want to take the money or not. It sort of reminds me of the fight during the building of the Appalachian trail in the 90's.
165 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:41:08am |
re: #162 Sergey Romanov
So a law barring blacks from voting would be constitutional until the SCOTUS said so?
Or a lower court, lets not forget.
166 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:41:13am |
re: #162 Sergey Romanov
So a law barring blacks from voting would be constitutional until the SCOTUS said so?
Seems to be the case. Look at DOMA.
167 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:42:09am |
re: #162 Sergey Romanov
So a law barring blacks from voting would be constitutional until the SCOTUS said so?
Essentially, yes. If Congress passes it (presumably by overriding the Presidential veto), it would have to be challenged in court and overturned.
168 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:43:00am |
re: #155 Daniel Ballard
Happy Leap Day everybody.
Any conclusions at hand to leap to?
Gonna Leap on a chance to pick up a cheap Ishapore 2A1 7.62x51 bolt action rifle. Should be a fun old milsurp.
170 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:44:34am |
re: #167 thedopefishlives
The other alternative is that the executive branch could refuse to enforce it. Because enforcement powers do not belong to Congress, but to the President and the governors of the individual states, they could just absolutely refuse to do anything to enforce the enacted legislature, stalling the measure until it is repealed or overturned in court.
171 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:46:11am |
re: #168 William Barnett-Lewis
Nice relic gun. Probably shoots pretty straight. Old school ways. Iron sight.
172 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:46:16am |
What about a law (let's call it L) prohibiting the SCOTUS from revising both a certain law previously passed and the law L? If it's constitutional until the SCOTUS decides, the SCOTUS cannot even begin to decide on that case, can it? (Yes, I'm asking just for lulz.)
173 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:46:38am |
re: #169 Gus
Yes, the entire federal government is paralyzed because of a document, written by a twelve year old, in 1968. -- Samantha Bee
174 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:49:41am |
re: #172 Sergey Romanov
What about a law (let's call it L) prohibiting the SCOTUS from revising both a certain law previously passed and the law L? If it's constitutional until the SCOTUS decides, the SCOTUS cannot even begin to decide on that case, can it? (Yes, I'm asking just for lulz.)
Then the "Tree of Liberty" would have to be watere...
//
175 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:50:17am |
re: #174 Gus
Then the "Tree of Liberty" would have to be watere...
//
Decatur Deb's dogs to the rescue!
177 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:50:29am |
re: #172 Sergey Romanov
What about a law (let's call it L) prohibiting the SCOTUS from revising both a certain law previously passed and the law L? If it's constitutional until the SCOTUS decides, the SCOTUS cannot even begin to decide on that case, can it? (Yes, I'm asking just for lulz.)
It'd be up to the designated enforcement entity to actually prevent the Supremes from reviewing it, which is not likely to happen. Congress can't actually tell the SCOTUS to do anything.
178 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:50:49am |
Hey all!
I have no illusions. I am exhausted. Curs-ed Virus!
How is everyone this am?
179 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:51:51am |
re: #177 thedopefishlives
It'd be up to the designated enforcement entity to actually prevent the Supremes from reviewing it, which is not likely to happen. Congress can't actually tell the SCOTUS to do anything.
Yes, by the Constitution. But we're under assumption it is being deliberately ignored while under the air of constitutionality ;) I just like these hypotheticals, I know it won't happen.
180 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:52:24am |
45% - Americans, Western Europeans Differ Sharply on Conditions for Using Military Force
America! Fuck ya! Rambo and Freedom Fries!
181 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:53:07am |
re: #162 Sergey Romanov
So a law barring blacks from voting would be constitutional until the SCOTUS said so?
Congress has no enforcement role. If a compliant Executive tried to enforce Law L, it would effectively be a coup. (Andrew Jackson danced with that in the mid-1800s.) I'm sure there are a hundred subtleties I don't know about this hypothetical.
182 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:53:10am |
Although now that I think of it, there's that whole issue of the alleged Taney arrest warrant...
183 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:53:13am |
re: #180 Gus
45% - Americans, Western Europeans Differ Sharply on Conditions for Using Military Force
America! Fuck ya! Rambo and Freedom Fries!
184 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:53:50am |
re: #171 Daniel Ballard
Nice relic gun. Probably shoots pretty straight. Old school ways. Iron sight.
Yep. I prefer my Mausers to SMLEs, but this way I can have a good representative of the type while being able to afford to shoot it.
185 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:54:30am |
re: #179 Sergey Romanov
Yes, by the Constitution. But we're under assumption it is being deliberately ignored while under the air of constitutionality ;) I just like these hypotheticals, I know it won't happen.
It is an interesting case study, and in actual point of fact, this is how the power of judicial review came into effect in the United States to begin with. See, for example, Marbury v. Madison.
186 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:54:58am |
re: #185 thedopefishlives
Thanks!
187 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:55:42am |
Time for me to hit the road. Enjoy your day people!
188 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:56:48am |
re: #187 RogueOne
Time for me to hit the road. Enjoy your day people!
Hit the road, Rogue, but you'll be coming back for more, for more, for more and more! /
189 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:56:59am |
re: #180 Gus
45% - Americans, Western Europeans Differ Sharply on Conditions for Using Military Force
America! Fuck ya! Rambo and Freedom Fries!
Strange poll --no?
If one's country is directly attacked and in imminent danger of being attacked again, one has to ask permission of the UN to defend it?
190 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:57:23am |
Yo Rick! Here, read this.
94% - Most Parents Expect Their Children to Attend College
College remains a near universal aspiration in this country, even in the face of steeply rising costs. Among parents of a child ages 17 or younger, 94% say they expect their child (or children) to attend college, according to a survey conducted March 15-29, 2011.
191 | BongCrodny Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:59:06am |
re: #14 windupbird is in the gravity well
very very few of these songs speak to me at all: [Link: www.musicoutfitters.com...]
Social Distortion
I was fortunate enough to see Springsteen live in D.C. in 2003 the week after Johnny Cash died and he opened with "I Walk The Line."
It was probably one of my top-three concert moments in 40 years of going to concerts, and I think I still like Social Distortion's version of "Ring of Fire" more than that.
192 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:59:23am |
re: #189 ggt
Strange poll --no?
If one's country is directly attacked and in imminent danger of being attacked again, one has to ask permission of the UN to defend it?
Not strange. Half of America thinks we can be the world honey badger. IOW, we'd still likely invade Iraq all over again. ;) 50/50 so it's not really a complete majority. Sure, people can question the UN. But there's a great deal of that good old fashioned American arrogance or hubris at play here. Call it a Palinist view of the world if you will. More like the Bush-doctrine. Would it make sense sometimes? Sure it would.
193 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:01:12am |
re: #192 Gus
Not strange. Half of America thinks we can be the world honey badger. IOW, we'd still likely invade Iraq all over again. ;) 50/50 so it's not really a complete majority. Sure, people can question the UN. But there's a great deal of that good old fashioned American arrogance or hubris at play here. Call it a Palinist view of the world if you will. More like the Bush-doctrine. Would it make sense sometimes? Sure it would.
I don't know. I think there are situations in which we should ask permission --when we are not acting in our direct defense. I don't think anyone needs permission for self-defense.
194 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:01:13am |
195 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:02:16am |
re: #193 ggt
I don't know. I think there are situations in which we should ask permission --when we are not acting in our direct defense. I don't think anyone needs permission for self-defense.
We had no trouble going bi-partisan apeshit after 9/11.
196 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:02:20am |
re: #193 ggt
I don't know. I think there are situations in which we should ask permission --when we are not acting in our direct defense. I don't think anyone needs permission for self-defense.
See what I typed out which includes:
Would it make sense sometimes? Sure it would.
197 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:03:59am |
re: #195 Decatur Deb
We had no trouble going bi-partisan apeshit after 9/11.
It's pretty easy to "make up" threats in this society. I think anyone that's at least watched many a Frontline program can see that.
199 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:09:52am |
re: #195 Decatur Deb
We had no trouble going bi-partisan apeshit after 9/11.
I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders.
200 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:09:54am |
202 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:14:37am |
203 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:15:10am |
re: #202 Learned Mother of Zion
You can't milk cats.
You can't milk male goats. They still like it though. /
204 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:16:56am |
Breaking: Nasdaq Composite tops 3000 for the first time since December 2000.on.wsj.com/wPkeS0
— Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) February 29, 2012
205 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:17:48am |
OMG, I have PILES of paperwork to do and I don't wanna.
Weren't computers supposed to eliminate paperwork?
206 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:17:52am |
re: #203 Sergey Romanov
You can't milk male goats. They still like it though. /
Cats like to milk blankets, pillow and sleeping bags.
Do blankets produce milk?
//
207 | BongCrodny Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:18:01am |
208 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:18:16am |
re: #189 ggt
Strange poll --no?
If one's country is directly attacked and in imminent danger of being attacked again, one has to ask permission of the UN to defend it?
Maybe the Syrians, Libyans. Egyptians, and Iranians should ask permission before they rise up and take their countries back from the dictators. With Russia and China with permanent veto power on the Security council there's no chance they'd be granted permission. The UN Human Rights Council is loaded with the worst abusers from Saudi Arabia, MAuritania, and Q'Daffy's Lybia.
What a perverse concept to have a body where dictators are allowed to vote on world affairs while oppressing their own populations at home. The UN is a joke.
209 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:18:42am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
Maybe the Syrians, Libyans. Egyptians, and Iranians should ask permission before they rise up and take their countries back from the dictators. With Russia and China with permanent veto power on the Security council there's no chance they'd be granted permission. The UN Human Rights Council is loaded with the worst abusers from Saudi Arabia, MAuritania, and Q'Daffy's Lybia.
What a perverse concept to have a body where dictators are allowed to vote on world affairs while oppressing their own populations at home. The UN is a joke.
[Dobro slide]
210 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:19:04am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
Maybe the Syrians, Libyans. Egyptians, and Iranians should ask permission before they rise up and take their countries back from the dictators. With Russia and China with permanent veto power on the Security council there's no chance they'd be granted permission. The UN Human Rights Council is loaded with the worst abusers from Saudi Arabia, MAuritania, and Q'Daffy's Lybia.
What a perverse concept to have a body where dictators are allowed to vote on world affairs while oppressing their own populations at home. The UN is a joke.
I'd like to think the UN does some good. I understand there is a purpose for diplomats --haven't quite figured out what it is tho.
:0
211 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:19:40am |
re: #198 Obdicut
You can't milk pigs.
I won't treat it as authoriative but it's done in a Prattchett novel. (Nation)
212 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:19:52am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
Maybe the Syrians, Libyans. Egyptians, and Iranians should ask permission before they rise up and take their countries back from the dictators. With Russia and China with permanent veto power on the Security council there's no chance they'd be granted permission. The UN Human Rights Council is loaded with the worst abusers from Saudi Arabia, MAuritania, and Q'Daffy's Lybia.
What a perverse concept to have a body where dictators are allowed to vote on world affairs while oppressing their own populations at home. The UN is a joke.
Actually. You might want to read up on the UN involvement with taking down "Q'Daffy's Lybia." You know. Like the facts.
213 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:19:55am |
re: #210 ggt
I'd like to think the UN does some good. I understand there is a purpose for diplomats --haven't quite figured out what it is tho.
:0
They give you time to spin the fuzes into the ordnance.
214 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:21:13am |
re: #206 Gus
Cats like to milk blankets, pillow and sleeping bags.
Do blankets produce milk?
//
Is that milking, or kneading?
(Makes one wonder if a cat can be given sufficient incentive to do a good bread dough. Or lacking that, maybe walking and kneading sore backs.)
;)
215 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:22:07am |
re: #214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Is that milking, or kneading?
(Makes one wonder if a cat can be given sufficient incentive to do a good bread dough. Or lacking that, maybe walking and kneading sore backs.)
;)
Mankind's never-ending quest to find a use for cats.
216 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:22:16am |
re: #213 Decatur Deb
They give you time to spin the fuzes into the ordnance.
Medical care? Vaccinations for children?
I think it is difficult for those in the US to understand how much the UN does for the small countries around the world. These countries just don't have the resources to the things we have our government do for us.
I know I am speaking (writing) in generalities, but it is still morning and I am on my first cuppa.
217 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:22:42am |
re: #210 ggt
I'd like to think the UN does some good. I understand there is a purpose for diplomats --haven't quite figured out what it is tho.
:0
Go spend a pile of money and bribe an enemy city (and garrison) away from an opposing civilization.
218 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:22:58am |
re: #215 Decatur Deb
Mankind's never-ending quest to find a use for cats.
Which would be the the problem.
WE are here to serve THEM. We can only hope they find a use for us if we want to survive.
:0
219 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:23:20am |
Just to follow up on Congress trying to undo the results of Kelo, even though people have moved on.
In this case, it's not really that they're making a law to "overrule" the Supreme Court. What was ruled in Kelo was that the seizure by eminent domain was allowed by the Constitution. That is, the power of the government extends that far. The government can still say "Well, we won't use that power.", which is what the federal government is basically considering here.
220 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:23:34am |
Because the world worked so fine before the UN.
[dobro slide]
221 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:24:02am |
re: #216 ggt
Medical care? Vaccinations for children?
I think it is difficult for those in the US to understand how much the UN does for the small countries around the world. These countries just don't have the resources to the things we have our government do for us.
I know I am speaking (writing) in generalities, but it is still morning and I am on my first cuppa.
All true--I'm more fer the UN than agin' it. My old Army boss now works for the UN, on the chemical weapons elimination side.
222 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:24:12am |
United Nations Authorizes Military Action Against Libya
Late today, the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution authorizing military action in support of the Libyan rebellion...
[Convulsions]
223 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:27:12am |
re: #219 Simply Sarah
Just to follow up on Congress trying to undo the results of Kelo, even though people have moved on.
In this case, it's not really that they're making a law to "overrule" the Supreme Court. What was ruled in Kelo was that the seizure by eminent domain was allowed by the Constitution. That is, the power of the government extends that far. The government can still say "Well, we won't use that power.", which is what the federal government is basically considering here.
I thought the thing about the Kelo Decision was less about the power of eminent domain than a locality using it to transfer property from one set of private hands to another set of private hands simply under the basis that the latter party would carry out development that would benefit the community. Which stretched the normal use of eminent domain where the conversion is generally into public use. (And I'm sure I'm generalizing here a bit.)
224 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:28:32am |
re: #218 ggt
Which would be the the problem.
WE are here to serve THEM. We can only hope they find a use for us if we want to survive.
:0
It's part of the subtle control system they have in place. Implied that we're in charge, therefore no thoughts that it is actually slavery to potentially be rebelled against.
225 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:28:34am |
re: #223 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Yep. And it seems like a mighty stinky decision too.
226 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:29:17am |
re: #220 Sergey Romanov
Because the world worked so fine before the UN.
[dobro slide]
Get off my lawn!
//
227 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:29:52am |
228 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:30:52am |
229 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:31:20am |
re: #223 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I thought the thing about the Kelo Decision was less about the power of eminent domain than a locality using it to transfer property from one set of private hands to another set of private hands simply under the basis that the latter party would carry out development that would benefit the community. Which stretched the normal use of eminent domain where the conversion is generally into public use. (And I'm sure I'm generalizing here a bit.)
Well, yes. It basically said it was a valid use of eminent domain to take the property for transfer to private developers. The reaction of the vast majority of states to this was to pass laws which ban the taking of property by eminent domain for transfer to private developers. I assume the federal law in question here basically does the same thing. The only potential constitutional question here would be "Is Congress overreaching if the bill applies to entities other than the federal government?"
230 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:31:45am |
re: #228 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Is that what they used to call Poland?
;)
Yep. "We had to invade Poland because they posed a threat to our national security."
//I was just following orders.
//
231 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:31:57am |
Was that a godwin right there?/
232 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:33:32am |
re: #231 Sergey Romanov
Was that a godwin right there?/
I would say not since Russia and other European powers chopping up or establishing Poland as a buffer state goes back to well before the 20th century.
235 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:34:24am |
re: #232 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I would say not since Russia and other European powers chopping up or establishing Poland as a buffer state goes back to well before the 20th century.
Hey. Eminent domain! /
236 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:35:36am |
I sense a wingnut disturbance in the Force./
237 | kirkspencer Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:35:51am |
re: #229 Simply Sarah
Well, yes. It basically said it was a valid use of eminent domain to take the property for transfer to private developers. The reaction of the vast majority of states to this was to pass laws which ban the taking of property by eminent domain for transfer to private developers. I assume the federal law in question here basically does the same thing. The only potential constitutional question here would be "Is Congress overreaching if the bill applies to entities other than the federal government?"
Except...
When railroads and interstates were built, that's exactly how eminent domain worked. It's how they were intended.
My impression of the Kelo decision was more nuanced. Not that government took private property and gave it to other private developers, but rather that the recipients had to be using it for a result that was predominately if not solely to the common good. NOT to build a supermall or a stadium or such.
238 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:36:02am |
re: #229 Simply Sarah
Well, yes. It basically said it was a valid use of eminent domain to take the property for transfer to private developers. The reaction of the vast majority of states to this was to pass laws which ban the taking of property by eminent domain for transfer to private developers. I assume the federal law in question here basically does the same thing. The only potential constitutional question here would be "Is Congress overreaching if the bill applies to entities other than the federal government?"
Well, could the state laws be considered an overreach as well applying the same reasoning?
IIRC, zoning and property use control is usually a county or township level issue. But personally I'd want eminent domain controls defined at a higher level than that because I can easily visualize a wealthy developer buying sufficient control of a local zoning board in order to get them to carry out manipulations at his beck and call.
240 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:37:13am |
241 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:37:56am |
242 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:38:14am |
re: #229 Simply Sarah
Well, yes. It basically said it was a valid use of eminent domain to take the property for transfer to private developers. The reaction of the vast majority of states to this was to pass laws which ban the taking of property by eminent domain for transfer to private developers. I assume the federal law in question here basically does the same thing. The only potential constitutional question here would be "Is Congress overreaching if the bill applies to entities other than the federal government?"
I think that in these cases it is important to remember that the government isn't "taking". The individuals get paid for their land. It's more like a "forced sale."
243 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:38:24am |
My goal in life was to make a decent living and live happily ever after. Not to be some part of the great global protectorate. I miss the Clinton years. Before the walls fell on 9/11.
Fire up the gunboats!
244 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:39:00am |
There's a headline.
"Venezuelan Vuvuzelers attack Venetia!"
Would be some sort of soccer riot story obviously.
245 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:39:03am |
re: #240 Sergey Romanov
Venezuelans attack!/
The Brazilians are coming the Brazilians are coming!
//
246 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:39:28am |
re: #237 kirkspencer
Except...
When railroads and interstates were built, that's exactly how eminent domain worked. It's how they were intended.
My impression of the Kelo decision was more nuanced. Not that government took private property and gave it to other private developers, but rather that the recipients had to be using it for a result that was predominately if not solely to the common good. NOT to build a supermall or a stadium or such.
Well, yes, it's certainly more nuanced. It's about the private use of the property for private good. I was trying to be less focused on the specifics of what the ruling did and more on the fact that it was a ruling that laws, constitutionally, can be changed to effectively nullify.
247 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:39:52am |
re: #243 Gus
My goal in life was to make a decent living and live happily ever after. Not to be some part of the great global protectorate. I miss the Clinton years. Before the walls fell on 9/11.
Fire up the gunboats!
Life is much easier when you have a well-defined enemy.
Batman and the Joker
Superman and ??
US and Russia.
US and the GOP.
248 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:40:18am |
We must bomb Buenos Aires before the Argies invade the Falklands!
249 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:41:08am |
re: #248 Gus
Get off that hill./
250 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:41:34am |
re: #238 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Well, could the state laws be considered an overreach as well applying the same reasoning?
IIRC, zoning and property use control is usually a county or township level issue. But personally I'd want eminent domain controls defined at a higher level than that because I can easily visualize a wealthy developer buying sufficient control of a local zoning board in order to get them to carry out manipulations at his beck and call.
No. States are the sovereign power and are generally considered to have total (Or near total) control over laws inside the state, including overruling any local ordinances or laws or decisions.
251 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:41:36am |
252 | jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:42:06am |
re: #247 ggt
Life is much easier when you have a well-defined enemy.
Batman and the Joker
Superman and ??
US and Russia.
US and the GOP.
Superman and Lex Luthor, now go tear up your geek card.
254 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:42:36am |
re: #252 jamesfirecat
Superman and Lex Luthor, now go tear up your geek card.
Superman didn't have a TV that aired afterschool when I was young.
255 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:42:39am |
re: #244 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
There's a headline.
"Venezuelans Vuvuzelers attack Venetia!"
Would be some sort of soccer riot story obviously.
Vicenza will come to the aid Serene Venezia. Dust off zombie Baggio!
256 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:43:02am |
re: #255 Decatur Deb
Vicenza will come to the aid Serene Venezia. Dust off zombie Baggio!
What about the Vizlas?
257 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:43:30am |
258 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:43:32am |
re: #242 ggt
I think that in these cases it is important to remember that the government isn't "taking". The individuals get paid for their land. It's more like a "forced sale."
Sort of. The Fifth Amendment does specifically say "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation", so "taken" is actually the proper term.
259 | darthstar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:43:35am |
Fuckin' awesome pic of the President...he must be listening to Boehner.
Good morning, everyone.
260 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:43:38am |
I approve a preemptive strike to prevent the blowing of vuvuzelas!
//
261 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:44:36am |
re: #257 Sergey Romanov
Superman and the Ja... panese.
Eeek! Whew. You know. That just gave me a flashback. We had a few old Lizards that used to use the 4 letter form of Japanese.
262 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:44:40am |
re: #260 Gus
I approve a preemptive strike to prevent the blowing of vuvuzelas!
//
Can you play that word in scrabble. I'm horrible with "v's"
263 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:45:01am |
re: #242 ggt
I think that in these cases it is important to remember that the government isn't "taking". The individuals get paid for their land. It's more like a "forced sale."
True. But generally held as being undervalued when paid off.
And this is a major reason you won't see high-speed rail in the Northeast Corridor. Getting the right-of-way while keeping the current rails operational would involve eminent domain seizures of what is considered very valuable property locations. The fighting of which in court would keep any such system being started tied up for years.
264 | BongCrodny Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:45:03am |
re: #259 darthstar
Fuckin' awesome pic of the President...he must be listening to Boehner.
Good morning, everyone.
"You don't like that, pal? I got another one for ya right here on the other hand."
265 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:45:59am |
re: #261 Gus
Eeek! Whew. You know. That just gave me a flashback. We had a few old Lizards that used to use the 4 letter form of Japanese.
Who, if not a secret?
266 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:46:05am |
re: #256 ggt
What about the Vizlas?
(Had to look it up.) Venice is very much a cat town--few dogs.
Vicenzans, however are called "magnagatti", The Cat Eaters, because of a misunderstanding.
267 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:46:13am |
re: #263 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
True. But generally held as being undervalued when paid off.
And this is a major reason you won't see high-speed rail in the Northeast Corridor. Getting the right-of-way while keeping the current rails operational would involve eminent domain seizures of what is considered very valuable property locations. The fighting of which in court would keep any such system being started tied up for years.
And it would be very expensive even ignoring any legal issues.
268 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:46:54am |
re: #263 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
True. But generally held as being undervalued when paid off.
And this is a major reason you won't see high-speed rail in the Northeast Corridor. Getting the right-of-way while keeping the current rails operational would involve eminent domain seizures of what is considered very valuable property locations. The fighting of which in court would keep any such system being started tied up for years.
As Simply Sarah stated, "taken" is the word used in the Constitution. Yet, the way the media is today, I think "taken" produces more hysteria than is necessary. You aren't thrown out on the street with your stuff.
269 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:47:32am |
re: #265 Sergey Romanov
Who, if not a secret?
I don't remember now. Wasn't many. Sure was strange. The excuse they used was some lame wingnut context. "My dad used to call them that." Same few that used to compare the National Council of La Raza to the KKK. Malkinites.
270 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:48:16am |
re: #267 Simply Sarah
And it would be very expensive even ignoring any legal issues.
Yep. But the NE Corridor is also the zone that would be the most economically profitable if you ever got it going. High number of potential passengers over the shortest distances.
271 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:48:19am |
re: #266 Decatur Deb
(Had to look it up.) Venice is very much a cat town--few dogs.
Vicenzans, however are called "magnagatti", The Cat Eaters, because of a misunderstanding.
I've never understood the thing with cats and boats. Cat's hate water, so why are there so many when there are ships and boats around. I know they eat the varments that are the bane of ships, but it seems awful nice that they'd (the cats) would hang around the water at all.
272 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:48:44am |
re: #268 ggt
As Simply Sarah stated, "taken" is the word used in the Constitution. Yet, the way the media is today, I think "taken" produces more hysteria than is necessary. You aren't thrown out on the street with your stuff.
Well, if you can't find another place to stay, you kinda are.
273 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:49:30am |
re: #271 ggt
I've never understood the thing with cats and boats. Cat's hate water, so why are there so many when there are ships and boats around. I know they eat the varments that are the bane of ships, but it seems awful nice that they'd (the cats) would hang around the water at all.
Fishermen--fishguts--cats.
274 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:49:54am |
re: #270 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Yep. But the NE Corridor is also the zone that would be the most economically profitable if you ever got it going. High number of potential passengers over the shortest distances.
Oh, it by far makes the most sense for that kind of service. It's just also an area where putting it in place would be extra complicated.
275 | jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:50:12am |
re: #271 ggt
I've never understood the thing with cats and boats. Cat's hate water, so why are there so many when there are ships and boats around. I know they eat the varments that are the bane of ships, but it seems awful nice that they'd (the cats) would hang around the water at all.
Once you get the cat on the boat and get out to sea, the cat doesn't have much choice but to stay on the boat does it?
276 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:50:12am |
re: #272 Simply Sarah
Well, if you can't find another place to stay, you kinda are.
That would be the main issue --people who have paid-off their home after 30+ years and can't afford to move because of housing prices.
Which isn't as much of an issue these days . . . .
278 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:51:21am |
re: #275 jamesfirecat
Once you get the cat on the boat and get out to see, the cat doesn't have much choice but to stay on the boat does it?
Yeah, but that wouldn't last long if the cat isn't cooperative. It has gone on for centuries and centuries.
I think the Cat Overlord is a benelvolent creature in this regard anyway.
279 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:51:51am |
re: #271 ggt
I've never understood the thing with cats and boats. Cat's hate water, so why are there so many when there are ships and boats around. I know they eat the varments that are the bane of ships, but it seems awful nice that they'd (the cats) would hang around the water at all.
For supervisory purposes obviously.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
280 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:52:06am |
re: #275 jamesfirecat
Once you get the cat on the boat and get out to see, the cat doesn't have much choice but to stay on the boat does it?
It could use its demonic basement-cat powers to sink the foolish ship that took it aboard.
281 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:54:25am |
re: #280 erik_t
It could use its demonic basement-cat powers to sink the foolish ship that took it aboard.
Given his record you'd half-expect the UK to have capsized by 1950.
;)
282 | Renaissance_Man Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:54:27am |
re: #215 Decatur Deb
Mankind's never-ending quest to find a use for cats.
Not totally sure. They aren't very tasty, and are usually a bit small to make a decent rug.
283 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:55:22am |
re: #259 darthstar
Fuckin' awesome pic of the President...he must be listening to Boehner.
Good morning, everyone.
Favorited. My wife laughed when she saw it, was like, "Oh, man, that's not Photoshopped, is it."
284 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:56:18am |
re: #280 erik_t
It could use its demonic basement-cat powers to sink the foolish ship that took it aboard.
Why isn't that a Disney movie?
285 | jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:57:16am |
re: #280 erik_t
It could use its demonic basement-cat powers to sink the foolish ship that took it aboard.
Here's the Cracked piece about him and a few other famous cats...
286 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:00:33am |
re: #285 jamesfirecat
Here's the Cracked piece about him and a few other famous cats...
DAMNIT CRACKED STOP TAKING AWAY THE ARCANE-NESS OF MY KNOWLEDGE
I KNEW ABOUT UNSINKABLE SAM BEFORE IT WAS COOL
287 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:01:25am |
re: #277 Gus
Yeah, I did a search for Nov 2008 to April 2009. Got 3 pages of results.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
288 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:03:41am |
re: #286 erik_t
DAMNIT CRACKED STOP TAKING AWAY THE ARCANE-NESS OF MY KNOWLEDGE
I KNEW ABOUT UNSINKABLE SAM BEFORE IT WAS COOL
For a humor site, Cracked has some really awesome history articles.
289 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:04:23am |
re: #270 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
To have a completely dedicated HSR along the NEC would mean separating the slow speed trains that NJ Transit, Metro North and others operate along the same routes. The infrastructure costs to do so are incredibly high as it is around the NYC metro area even without eminent domain.
For instance, separating Amtrak from NJT and Metro North/LIRR train traffic to improve traffic flow through Sunnyside Yards is a $354 million project. That's a project requiring no eminent domain condemnations - it "only" requires keeping the trains moving all through construction phases 24/7 to build a bypass allowing Amtrak to avoid congestion due to local train traffic.
Amtrak's Gateway Tunnel project is likely to be $9-12 billion - to build 2 new Hudson River tunnels that would significantly increase traffic into Manhattan (and NJ Transit to a lesser extent). Eminent domain isn't a major cost factor as compared to total cost.
Portal Bridge is a $1.3 billion project to replace old bridge. No significant eminent domain considerations there.
290 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:04:48am |
re: #287 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, I did a search for Nov 2008 to April 2009. Got 3 pages of results.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
This user is blocked.
This user is blocked.
This user is blocked.
This user is blocked.
Yeah. I was surprised when I first saw them use it. Down right disgusting considering none of them had any excuse for it -- like some old codger and Pacific theater veteran.
291 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:04:52am |
re: #288 Learned Mother of Zion
For a humor site, Cracked has some really awesome history articles.
They do, although occasionally they'll delve into my area of expertise and make me want to rip out my own eyes.
Also known as '60-Minutes-ing'.
292 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:04:55am |
re: #288 Learned Mother of Zion
For a humor site, Cracked has some really awesome history articles.
Yes, yes they do. You can learn a lot from reading Cracked.
293 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:06:04am |
re: #290 Gus
And that creature, "MandyManners", seemed like reveling in ethnic insults.
294 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:07:44am |
re: #105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
OK, I'll spoil it. But it's still worth reading.
In Ancient China...
1. Farmer's barn burns down with pig inside
2. Son accidently pokes finger into cooked/burnt pig
3. Son licks burnt fingers and discovers excellent taste
4. Repeat of #2 and #3 - done on purpose
5. Rest of family converted after some plot development
6. Family and other farmers start burning down barns with pigs inside
7. Profit!!!
Why do people keep pigs if they don't know they're edible?
295 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:07:58am |
re: #290 Gus
This user is blocked.
This user is blocked.
This user is blocked.
This user is blocked.Yeah. I was surprised when I first saw them use it. Down right disgusting considering none of them had any excuse for it -- like some old codger and Pacific theater veteran.
My dad was a WW2 Pacific vet, and I never heard him use that word.
296 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:08:25am |
297 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:08:54am |
re: #294 SanFranciscoZionist
Why do people keep pigs if they don't know they're edible?
Truffle hunting.
298 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:09:05am |
re: #294 SanFranciscoZionist
Why do people keep pigs if they don't know they're edible?
There's yet another explanation, but something compels me to be silent.
///
299 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:09:29am |
re: #298 Sergey Romanov
There's yet another explanation, but something compels me to be silent.
///
O_o
300 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:10:39am |
re: #299 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Google Vase de Noces. ;)
301 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:11:08am |
re: #298 Sergey Romanov
There's yet another explanation, but something compels me to be silent.
///
Yours is probably most plausible, as pigs are expensive to raise.
302 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:11:39am |
re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist
Yours is probably most plausible, as pigs are expensive to raise.
Garbage disposal?
303 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:12:44am |
304 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:12:51am |
re: #293 Sergey Romanov
And that creature, "MandyManners", seemed like reveling in ethnic insults.
Mandy was one that kinda went both ways. Sometimes she made some good comments, and sometimes she went way off the derp end. She did seem to be a glutton for deliberately offending people, though.
305 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:12:53am |
re: #295 Learned Mother of Zion
My dad was a WW2 Pacific vet, and I never heard him use that word.
It, and worse, were common language in our 1950s schoolyard. Many of us were in the school because our fathers didn't come back. It was an indulgence we outgrew, mostly.
306 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:14:04am |
re: #293 Sergey Romanov
And that creature, "xxxx", seemed like reveling in ethnic insults.
Hey, I remember that name. Kept driving me away from my lurking on about a monthly basis for several years, never mind registering.
307 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:14:27am |
heh. General subject of the last 200 comments seems to be "How did someone decide _Object X_ was useful, or actually find a purpose for it?"
As applied to:
1. Lobster
2. Pigs
3. The UN
4. Eminent Domain
5. Cats
Plus the observation of some people thinking our foreign policy should be based on "The US is a honey badger".
308 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:14:41am |
re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think that's what he's implying no.
Not Googling Sergey's phrase. I'm at work, OK it's my last day at this job, but still...probably blocked anyway.
309 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:15:22am |
re: #308 Learned Mother of Zion
Not Googling Sergey's phrase. I'm at work, OK it's my last day at this job, but still...probably blocked anyway.
Actually the first result should be a wiki article. Although that could stain one's mind too.
311 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:18:14am |
re: #309 Sergey Romanov
Actually the first result should be a wiki article. Although that could stain one's mind too.
"Is he/she pretty?"
"She/he has a face like a pig."
314 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:24:20am |
re: #300 Sergey Romanov
I was actually reminded of this flick by a recent LJ entry by a Nashi (Putinist youth group) press-secretary. But I knew about it years before. There was actually sort of a niche genre of Soviet lit - books about the decadent West, and specifically about the decadent cinema. I don't know if that was the intent or not, but these books were actually very interesting to read, with descriptions, screenshots and all. So it was in one of those books that I learned about Zardoz, Exorcist, Godfather, Deliverance, and many other expressions of the filtyh bourgeois mind, including, yes, Vase de Noces. A topic of its own, I guess.
315 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:25:32am |
Guantanamo detainee Majid Khan admits terror charges
The first "high value" prisoner held at the US's Guantanamo Bay detention centre has pleaded guilty to terror charges at a war crimes tribunal.
Pakistani Majid Khan, who had lived in the US, agreed to enter the plea in exchange for leniency.
He faces charges which include conspiring with al-Qaeda, murder and attempted murder.
The 32 year old has been in secret US custody since 2003 and alleges that he has been psychologically tortured.
According to a plea bargain document released by the US government, Khan's sentence would be capped at 25 years in exchange for pleading guilty...
Splodey heads!
316 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:26:26am |
re: #295 Learned Mother of Zion
My dad was a WW2 Pacific vet, and I never heard him use that word.
This genre of comics kept the language and the ideas behind it alive. (I remember one from about 1955 in which the Viet Mihn were the 'good guys'.)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
317 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:29:11am |
re: #315 Gus
Guantanamo detainee Majid Khan admits terror charges
Splodey heads!
Mmm, wingnut tears. Now I'm hungry.
318 | darthstar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:30:27am |
re: #315 Gus
Guantanamo detainee Majid Khan admits terror charges
Splodey heads!
Fine, fine, I'm guilty. Get me the fuck out of here and I'll serve 17 years in one of those fancy prisons with beds and shit.
319 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:30:45am |
re: #317 thedopefishlives
Mmm, wingnut tears. Now I'm hungry.
Don't worry. I'm sure the wingnuts will take this calmly.
//
320 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:30:48am |
re: #315 Gus
'splody heads, part II:
North Korea agrees to moratorium nuclear weapons and missile programs in exchange for food aid.
The United States said Wednesday North Korea has agreed to suspend nuclear activities and accept a moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile tests, in a breakthrough in negotiations with the secretive communist nation.
The announcement comes little more than two months after the death of longtime ruler Kim Jong Il, and suggests North Korea has met the key U.S. preconditions for restarting multi-nation disarmament-for-aid talks that the North withdrew from in 2009.
State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the North has agreed to allow International Atomic Energy inspectors to verify and monitor the moratorium on uranium enrichment and confirm disablement of its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon.
Her statement says the US will meet with North Korea to finalize details for a proposed package of 240,000 metric tons of food aid.
North Korea issued a similar, although differently worded statement released simultaneously in Pyongyang.
Trust but verify still plays a role here, but that the regime is willing to go this route suggests that the agricultural situation (famine) is far worse than the regime is letting on. May mean that the regime is beginning to shift away from the more militaristic tone taken by Jong-il (could be wishful thinking on my part).
321 | darthstar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:31:31am |
re: #319 Gus
Don't worry. I'm sure the wingnuts will take this calmly.
//
GEORGEBUSHWASRIGHT! REINVADEIRAQ!
322 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:32:10am |
re: #320 lawhawk
'splody heads, part II:
North Korea agrees to moratorium nuclear weapons and missile programs in exchange for food aid.
Trust but verify still plays a role here, but that the regime is willing to go this route suggests that the agricultural situation (famine) is far worse than the regime is letting on. May mean that the regime is beginning to shift away from the more militaristic tone taken by Jong-il (could be wishful thinking on my part).
Yep. I see the news out of North Korea as good news. Much work to be done but this is a good start.
323 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:33:54am |
re: #319 Gus
Don't worry. I'm sure the wingnuts will take this calmly.
//
Don't do that. I'm on a teleconference, you bastard.
324 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:34:39am |
“Man was put on this earth to eat meat...The Bible says so dumbbell...I mean look it up will ya? All them old bible peoples, they was always eating meet; soon as they found out eating apples was wrong...It's true, on special occasions: goats and lambs. Who the hell ever hear of sacrificing a head of lettuce? You?” -- Archie Bunker
325 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:35:44am |
re: #105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
OK, I'll spoil it. But it's still worth reading.
In Ancient China...
1. Farmer's barn burns down with pig inside
2. Son accidently pokes finger into cooked/burnt pig
3. Son licks burnt fingers and discovers excellent taste
4. Repeat of #2 and #3 - done on purpose
5. Rest of family converted after some plot development
6. Family and other farmers start burning down barns with pigs inside
7. Profit!!!
sure it was much older than that:
1. Paleolithic hunters come across pig which has been killed and baked in forest fire
2. Pig taste good!
3. Hunters learn to drive pigs into burning forests...
327 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:37:00am |
re: #324 Gus
“Man was put on this earth to eat meat...The Bible says so dumbbell...I mean look it up will ya? All them old bible peoples, they was always eating meet; soon as they found out eating apples was wrong...It's true, on special occasions: goats and lambs. Who the hell ever hear of sacrificing a head of lettuce? You?” -- Archie Bunker
Archie could have continued the thought by quoting Genesis 4:
3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
328 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:38:24am |
Lord God is a meat-eater. Take that, vegans.
329 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:38:53am |
re: #328 Sergey Romanov
Lord God is a meat-eater. Take that, vegans.
Ya gotta eat meat! Sez so in the bible.
//
330 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:40:38am |
re: #320 lawhawk
This just looks like the same old cycle from North Korea of sabre-rattling, backing down a bit in exchange for oil, food, etc. and then starting over again a few years later.
331 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:40:45am |
re: #325 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
sure it was much older than that:
1. Paleolithic hunters come across pig which has been killed and baked in forest fire
2. Pig taste good!
3. Hunters learn to drive pigs into burning forests...
70s Anthropology classic (inspired an album by Fine Young Cannibals)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
332 | darthstar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:42:22am |
333 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:42:33am |
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered his government to draft a new law punishing denial of the Armenian genocide after a top court struck down a previous bill.
*sigh*
335 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:43:03am |
336 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:43:17am |
re: #334 Gus
Works for me.
337 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:43:35am |
re: #330 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
That's surely a possibility - that they're playing games and that this step allows the regime to take the pressure off it by having a starving populace and once the famine lets up, they go back to their old ways.
Or, it could be a real breakthrough and change in policy that has a lasting effect.
Hope for the latter - prepare for the former.
338 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:43:54am |
re: #325 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
sure it was much older than that:
1. Paleolithic hunters come across pig which has been killed and baked in forest fire
2. Pig taste good!
3. Hunters learn to drive pigs into burning forests...
Of course. Lamb was being a bit facetious. Though not to the jaw-dropping level of Swift's "A Modest Proposal".
339 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:44:01am |
341 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:45:59am |
re: #339 Gus
Reminds me of Mark Ryden's "The Meat Show - Paintings about children, God and USDA Grade A Beef".
342 | darthstar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:46:33am |
re: #332 darthstar
okay... now I broke it.
Image: 412JcqtSo1L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU02_.jpg
Try that one.
343 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:46:42am |
re: #341 Sergey Romanov
Reminds me of Mark Ryden's "The Meat Show - Paintings about children, God and USDA Grade A Beef".
Funny.
346 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:48:33am |
Carla, my love.
348 | Obdicut Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:54:43am |
350 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:55:52am |
re: #332 darthstar
...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu...
351 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 8:56:03am |
re: #348 Obdicut
It says "embryo".
355 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:01:51am |
re: #353 Gus
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
There are actually closeups on Ryden's site. "Please click here for detail views"
356 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:02:10am |
re: #355 Sergey Romanov
There are actually closeups on Ryden's site. "Please click here for detail views"
Ah. Thanks.
357 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:03:38am |
Dunno, I think there's place both for Mario and Luigi there.
358 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:03:49am |
Holy hell, this is good news:[Link: www.reuters.com...]
359 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:04:33am |
re: #358 prairiefire
Holy hell, this is good news:[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Yeah, except the GOP will find some way to complain about it, I'm sure. I imagine their reaction will show up on the front page here on LGF.
360 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:05:25am |
re: #359 thedopefishlives
"But but but what did Obama promise in return? Surely Alaska!"
361 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:06:44am |
re: #357 Sergey Romanov
Dunno, I think there's place both for Mario and Luigi there.
More Wednesday Addams. The others reminds me of Christina Ricci.
362 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:07:47am |
363 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:07:58am |
re: #360 Sergey Romanov
"But but but what did Obama promise in return? Surely Alaska!"
Give 'em Texas. Nobody will miss that.
364 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:08:47am |
re: #359 thedopefishlives
Yeah, except the GOP will find some way to complain about it, I'm sure. I imagine their reaction will show up on the front page here on LGF.
Something like Obama is cuddling Korean terrorist supporting government the same as Clinton did whereas any red-blooded real American POTUS would invade and put their rabid cult of personality down without suffering a single casualty.
While ignoring that the basic US foreign policy vis-a-vis North Korea has been roughly this policy for the last 20+ years. "Axis of Evil" rhetoric aside, we've been cajoling and buying them off the whole time and hoping for internal change to take hold.
365 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:10:59am |
I've got three nickels on a 'negotiatin' with the enemy' line.
366 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:12:48am |
re: #365 erik_t
I've got three nickels on a 'negotiatin' with the enemy' line.
Good times!
Obama is teh appeasing presudent!
367 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:13:38am |
re: #359 thedopefishlives
Yeah, except the GOP will find some way to complain about it, I'm sure. I imagine their reaction will show up on the front page here on LGF.
I got it, and I am almost ready to take bets on how long it takes this meme to come up:
"Obama, not content to the the greatest US Food-Stamp President, expands program to include North Korea"
368 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:14:18am |
re: #358 prairiefire
Holy hell, this is good news:[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Sort of but N Korea has been playing games with UN inspectors long before the Iranians started. They get some concessions for offering things that they have no plans to deliver on. Buried further down in your article....
"This puts an element of control back on the North Koreans' nuclear development program as well as their existing capabilities that we have not had for almost four years," said Jack Pritchard, a former U.S. negotiator with North Korea who heads the Korea Economic Institute.
But Pritchard said he believed it was unlikely that Pyongyang's young and untested new leader Kim Jong-un was ready to comply with demands that he scrap the entire nuclear program.
"How does a 28-year-old give up the only legitimate piece of leverage that he has in dealing with the superpowers to preserve the survivability of his regime? He's not going to do that," Pritchard said.
They've been doing this for a long time...
North Korea agreed to curtail its nuclear activities under a an aid-for-denuclearization agreement reached in September 2005 by six-party talks bringing together North and South Korea, China, Japan, Russia and the United States.
Under the agreement, the North agreed to abandon its nuclear programs in exchange for economic and diplomatic incentives to be provided by the other parties involved in the negotiations.
But the embryonic deal was never fully implemented.
Instead, the North held two nuclear test blasts -- in 2006 and 2009 -- and later disclosed a uranium enrichment program, giving it a second path to obtaining fissile material for bombs, in addition to its long-standing program of producing plutonium.
369 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:14:28am |
re: #367 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
I got it, and I am almost ready to take bets on how long it takes this meme to come up:
"Obama, not content to the the greatest US Food-Stamp President, expands program to include North Korea"
You win an Internet for your wingnut-speak.
370 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:15:48am |
re: #3 freetoken
Gardening.
I propose that if more Americans had to grow a noticeable amount of their own food then we'd be much better off, not just health-wise but with our social interactions and cultural dynamics.
I agree, although I will not be working on my gardening today.
It's snowing.
371 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:17:23am |
re: #360 Sergey Romanov
"But but but what did Obama promise in return? Surely Alaska!"
If we "return" Alaska, I'm sure the Inuits, Eskimos, and Native Americans would be happy to take it back.
372 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:21:09am |
Am I guilty of thread-o-cide?
373 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:21:40am |
re: #372 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Am I guilty of thread-o-cide?
Not really. I'm kinda quiet at the moment because I'm on a conference call. Stupid work.
374 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:27:32am |
re: #372 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Am I guilty of thread-o-cide?
Lost connection. Went to wash some dishes.
375 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:29:04am |
re: #358 prairiefire
Holy hell, this is good news:[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Breathing space for a short while is all. That regime is composed of psychopaths. They don't change.
376 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:29:15am |
re: #357 Sergey Romanov
Dunno, I think there's place both for Mario and Luigi there.
That's so cute!
378 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:30:34am |
Derp...
There were never school shootings when prayer was in school. Nothing even remotely like it. But now, for the most part, God has been thrown out of our public schools, and they have had to install the metal detector instead. Even that is not fail-proof ... I find it ironic that yesterday’s shooting would occur in the shadow of the 50th anniversary of the infamous school prayer decision. In June 1962, in Engel v. Vitale, the Supreme Court ruled that schools could not officially participate in prayer.
Specifically, the High Court banned this seemingly innocuous prayer: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessing upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country."
...
As long as our schools don’t have a prayer, I suppose some of them need to have a sign installed out in front: Enter at your own risk.
See Newcombe: School Prayer Would Have Prevented Ohio School Shooting
379 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:31:06am |
re: #370 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Snowing here as well. Along with a 14 (gusting to 23) mph wind out of the west.
[Link: lb.511.idaho.gov...]
380 | AK-47% Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:32:02am |
re: #378 Gus
This is an article of faith this these people and is not subject to any sort of argument.
381 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:32:53am |
382 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:33:39am |
re: #381 erik_t
Quite so. Back in the good old days, nary a child was harmed in a school shooting.
Yeah, but back in those days, kids carried guns to school. 2ND AMENDMENT FOR MY PRECIOUS LITTLE SNOWFLAKE!
383 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:34:09am |
re: #381 erik_t
Quite so. Back in the good old days, nary a child was harmed in a school shooting.
Thanks! Was about to look some history up.
385 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:38:20am |
re: #381 erik_t
Quite so. Back in the good old days, nary a child was harmed in a school shooting.
Busted!
386 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:38:25am |
May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.
387 | compound_Idaho Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:38:35am |
re: #379 Bubblehead II
Snowing here as well. Along with a 14 (gusting to 23) mph wind out of the west.
[Link: lb.511.idaho.gov...]
Not a good day for base jumping.
388 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:38:46am |
389 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:39:27am |
re: #387 compound_Idaho
Not a good day for base jumping.
Screw that, I wouldn't even drive over that...
:/
390 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:39:54am |
391 | Obdicut Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:41:52am |
Newt's new web ad looks like he's making Fabio sniff his armpit.
[Link: googleads.g.doubleclick.net...]
393 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:42:47am |
394 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:42:55am |
re: #392 Gus
Right about now someone would bring up Stalin and atheism.
//
Gus's Law, as a variation of Godwin's Law.
395 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:43:49am |
re: #388 thedopefishlives
That Wyoming aircraft carrier? Yeah, y'all just got trolled.
Bastards.
Heh,
396 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:44:22am |
re: #388 thedopefishlives
That Wyoming aircraft carrier? Yeah, y'all just got trolled.
Bastards.
Lol.
397 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:45:13am |
398 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:47:01am |
re: #396 Varek Raith
Lol.
But a few of them were really considering it:
HB0085HW001/A
Page 3-line 19 Delete "." insert ";".
Page 3-after line 19 Insert:
"(vii) Conditions under which the state of Wyoming should implement a draft, raise a standing army, marine corps, navy and air force and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.". BROWN
[Link: legisweb.state.wy.us...]
399 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:47:23am |
re: #396 Varek Raith
Lol.
I love the part where he says, "And I would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids the media attention it got."
400 | Gus Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:47:35am |
re: #398 Gus
But a few of them were really considering it:
[Link: legisweb.state.wy.us...]
And here:
[Link: legisweb.state.wy.us...]
401 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:48:33am |
re: #395 Killgore Trout
Heh,
Wouldn't it make sense for governments to have a filing cabinet somewhere with plans for things like: natural disasters, riots, war, etc?
I like the idea that if a tsunami hit the Oregon coast, someone in Salem has thought about what to do and how to handle it.
402 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:49:25am |
re: #401 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Wouldn't it make sense for governments to have a filing cabinet somewhere with plans for things like: natural disasters, riots, war, etc?
I like the idea that if a tsunami hit the Oregon coast, someone in Salem has thought about what to do and how to handle it.
FEMA!
403 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:50:57am |
re: #401 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Wouldn't it make sense for governments to have a filing cabinet somewhere with plans for things like: natural disasters, riots, war, etc?
I like the idea that if a tsunami hit the Oregon coast, someone in Salem has thought about what to do and how to handle it.
There are tsunami signs and warnings all up and down the coast.
Unless you mean a tsunami that reached Salem, in which case I think the plan could reasonably be summarized as 'kiss your ass goodbye'.
404 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:52:15am |
re: #403 erik_t
There are tsunami signs and warnings all up and down the coast.
Unless you mean a tsunami that reached Salem, in which case I think the plan could reasonably be summarized as 'kiss your ass goodbye'.
If the people in Salem don't have a tsunami plan in place what am I paying them for.
Also, a sign up on the wall doesn't really help for things like getting food, shelter and supplies to the survivors. That's what the state government is supposed to do.
406 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:53:24am |
re: #403 erik_t
There are tsunami signs and warnings all up and down the coast.
Unless you mean a tsunami that reached Salem, in which case I think the plan could reasonably be summarized as 'kiss your ass goodbye'.
"Well, that plan sucks"
-Jack O'Neill.
407 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:53:53am |
re: #404 To hold my temper, most of the time.
If the people in Salem don't have a tsunami plan in place what am I paying them for.
Also, a sign up on the wall doesn't really help for things like getting food, shelter and supplies to the survivors. That's what the state government is supposed to do.
Huh? Sirens and evacuation routes are probably all that is necessary for the relatively meager population along the coast, which is itself located almost entirely within a mile of quite high hills.
408 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:56:10am |
re: #392 Gus
Right about now someone would bring up Stalin and atheism.
//
Your wish is my command.
Stalin, the ex-seminarian, may never have entirely lost his faith. He told the British ambassador that, in his own way, ‘he too believed in God’. The word began to appear in Pravda with a capital letter.
Richard Overy, Russia's War, 1998, p. 162.
409 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:00:26am |
re: #407 erik_t
Huh? Sirens and evacuation routes are probably all that is necessary for the relatively meager population along the coast, which is itself located almost entirely within a mile of quite high hills.
Coos Bay alone has nearly 16,000 people. Plus, in places like Seaside, the official population is nowhere near the actual count of how many people might be in Seaside at that moment.
That's a lot of people to have suddenly homeless and possibly jobless, even if the sirens get everyone out of dangers way quickly.
410 | Kragar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:01:33am |
411 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:02:19am |
412 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:02:47am |
413 | Simply Sarah Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:03:14am |
414 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:03:15am |
Damn tornadoes, again.[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
415 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:04:27am |
re: #406 Varek Raith
"Well, that plan sucks"
-Jack O'Neill.
Well, y'know, Salem is +150ft elevation and like 40mi inland, 100mi if you're going around the coast range. If they're getting tsunami'd, Wyoming may need a navy.
Wait.
416 | Kragar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:06:21am |
re: #411 prairiefire
Kilgore has his doubts.
Obviously its a communist plot to help Obama in an election year.
417 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:10:31am |
re: #414 prairiefire
Damn tornadoes, again.[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
Usually the "lake effect" from Table Rock Lake helps keep tornadoes from hitting right around Branson, with them then bouncing north. I think the Walmart in the video is higher on the bluff. I hope the 5 & Dime in old Branson didn't get hit, but it looks like it did. That store still had the metal & fabric collapsible shopping baskets. Packed to the rafters with stuff.
419 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:12:43am |
re: #401 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Wouldn't it make sense for governments to have a filing cabinet somewhere with plans for things like: natural disasters, riots, war, etc?
I like the idea that if a tsunami hit the Oregon coast, someone in Salem has thought about what to do and how to handle it.
Every state has an Army/Airforce National Guard. And they have filing cabinets.
420 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:14:41am |
re: #419 Decatur Deb
Every state has an Army/Airforce National Guard. And they have filing cabinets.
If all else fails, one can always jump in a refrigerator and try to ride it out.
421 | Obdicut Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:15:05am |
re: #401 To hold my temper, most of the time.
This is having a plan in case the US government collapses. It's a pretty remote possibility, and if it does happen, I doubt that paying legislators an extra $18,000 a year to think real hard about it is going to help prepare.
422 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:16:19am |
re: #419 Decatur Deb
Every state has an Army/Airforce National Guard. And they have filing cabinets.
Every state should have a natural disaster plan.
Every state should have a pandemic plan.
Every state should have a riot plan.
The government should coordinate on this.
I remember in my teens, there was a kerfuffle down in Salem over a regulation of the bread sold in Oregon--they mandated a minimum weight, which would have outlawed baguettes. If the state government can spend time on this, they can spend time on things that might actually affect real people.
423 | Kragar Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:16:43am |
re: #421 Obdicut
This is having a plan in case the US government collapses. It's a pretty remote possibility, and if it does happen, I doubt that paying legislators an extra $18,000 a year to think real hard about it is going to help prepare.
I sure hope the states have been stocking up on gold coins and survival seeds.
424 | erik_t Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:18:10am |
Ah, excellent. A leak in the roof. Right over my desk.
This won't promise to be irritating or anything.
425 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:20:09am |
re: #421 Obdicut
This is having a plan in case the US government collapses. It's a pretty remote possibility, and if it does happen, I doubt that paying legislators an extra $18,000 a year to think real hard about it is going to help prepare.
This is a pretty remote possibility, you are right. I was thinking more of two or three people in an office whose job it is to prepare plans and coordinate with local people to keep the citizenry aware that they should prepare for disasters.
426 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:20:22am |
re: #422 To hold my temper, most of the time.
Every state should have a natural disaster plan.
Every state should have a pandemic plan.
Every state should have a riot plan.The government should coordinate on this.
I remember in my teens, there was a kerfuffle down in Salem over a regulation of the bread sold in Oregon--they mandated a minimum weight, which would have outlawed baguettes. If the state government can spend time on this, they can spend time on things that might actually affect real people.
Between FEMA and the NG, the plans are pretty good. The level of preparedness at the town level can be very spotty. I was on the Army task force for Hurricane Andrew (got the t-shirt), and we saw some towns flat on their backs, others up and running.