Right Wing Blogger RS McCain: ‘Slut Joins N-Word on List of Forbidden Terms’

Robert Stacy McCain is being persecuted again
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Of all the many disgusting posts at right wing blogs about Rush Limbaugh’s misogynistic attacks on Sandra Fluke, this may be the most revealing; from racist pig Robert Stacy McCain:

While We Were Out, Rush Limbaugh Apologized and Romney Won the Washington State GOP Caucuses : The Other McCain.

So “slut” joins the “n-word” on the List of Forbidden Terms, and we are now at a loss for any way to describe Meghan McCain.

Nobody’s stopping you from using the “N-word” all you like, Mr. McCain. Why not let the hatred flow? Think how free you’ll feel.

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1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:17:39am

THOU SHALT NOT INSULT THE MEGHAN!!!

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:19:24am

So, RSM, you're just itching to say the n-word, aren't you? What with you writing articles for racist magazines and all...

3 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:19:24am

It was not so very long ago that we had at least one regular poster HERE who was upset that this word was frowned upon at LGF. Misogyny is a terrible thing.

4 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:19:41am

Dan Riehl sure likes to think about child molesting. A lot.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:19:52am

re: #3 bratwurst

It was not so very long ago that we had at least one regular poster HERE who was upset that this word was frowned upon around here. Misogyny is a terrible thing.

Who?

6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:06am

re: #5 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Ah. I think I remember.

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:14am

re: #4 jaunte

Projection.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:45am

re: #4 jaunte

Dan Riehl sure likes to think about child molesting. A lot.

I would suggest people to avoid Dan Riehl. Esp. if you have children. Just in case.

9 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:54am

How do these people not get that it's not about the word, it's about the inaccuracy? Sandra Fluke is no more a slut than she is a Smurf.

And why do people talk about sluts like it's a bad thing? I've had nothing but positive experiences with sluts.

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:21:46am

Yes Robert, believe it or not, it's 2012, not 1952...hell, what am I saying, even back then screaming "slut!" was seen as classless and disgusting.

11 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:23:21am

re: #6 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Ah. I think I remember.

If you are thinking about someone named after one of the five boroughs who later lost his account for his inability to abide by rules here against using terms widely considered to be ethnic slurs, give yourself a prize!

12 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:24:13am

re: #9 Charleston Chew

They're trying again to change the subject, just as Issa did with his "religious freedoms" hearing. It's not about sex, it's about equality of health insurance coverage for women, but they can't let that be the topic.

13 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:24:38am

An obvious and clear admission that Robert Stacy McCain is disappointed that he can no longer use the n-word.

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:24:49am

re: #11 bratwurst

That makes 2 of them. Also I think there was some story about some bullshitmonkey, but I'm not sure this particular word was involved...

15 fubar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:25:32am

So, who is going to be the first to call President Obama a n*****? You know it is coming, they just can't help themselves. I predict....wait for it....ta dah....The Newtster!

16 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:25:39am

re: #14 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

That makes 2 of them. Also I think there was some story about some bullshitmonkey, but I'm not sure this particular word was involved...

Wasn't he the "women's panties" expert also?

17 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:28:10am

So...what word are we going to use for unmarried men who get a Viagra prescription?

18 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:29:32am

re: #17 To hold my temper, most of the time.

So...what word are we going to use for unmarried men who get a Viagra prescription?

Manslut.

19 M. Dubious  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:30:01am

WTF? Is RSM lamenting the loss of the n-word as a acceptable descriptive term? He is now at a loss for any way to describe black people? Good grief.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:30:29am

Oh--and check this out. Totally normal news article about the problems of the Chevy Volt. Read the comments. Somehow, admitting you use birth control means you "bonk half the campus."

We need to teach logic in the schools, and cover the whole "making crap up" fallacy.

[Link: thehill.com...]

21 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:30:37am

re: #17 To hold my temper, most of the time.

So...what word are we going to use for unmarried men who get a Viagra prescription?

Quagmire.

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:31:47am

Forgot to add the link. Link added.

23 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:32:09am

re: #21 Targetpractice

Quagmire.

24 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:32:27am

re: #17 To hold my temper, most of the time.

So...what word are we going to use for unmarried men who get a Viagra prescription?

Delusional?

25 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:32:46am

re: #24 kirkspencer

Delusional?

Oh snap.

26 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:35:56am
27 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:38:50am

I wonder which party he belongs to

28 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:39:03am
29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:39:40am

re: #26 jaunte

On Friday, Santorum said he shouldn't have used the word "snob" to describe the president, but blamed it on the fact that he doesn't have a speech writer and that he got a little passionate in the moment.

"I don't have someone to tell me what I should be saying. Elect me for your next President".

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:40:34am

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

"I don't have someone to tell me what I should be saying. Elect me for your next President".

Help me out here--who was telling Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson what they should say?

31 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:41:26am
32 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:41:40am

re: #30 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Satan. Or Jesus. It depends on who you ask.

33 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:41:54am

re: #30 To hold my temper, most of the time.

There's nothing wrong with having a speechwriter.

There's a lot wrong if you can't talk well without a speechwriter.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:42:13am

re: #31 Gus

Worst. Pr0n. Evar.

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:43:04am

re: #33 Obdicut

B-b-b-but TELEPROMPTER!!!11ty
/

37 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:43:13am

re: #31 Gus

Robert Stacy McCain with Ed Morrissey of Hot Air.

Seriously? I didn't realize these assholes were so comfortable being out in the open with white supremacists.

38 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:43:18am

Free from work for the day!

^_^

39 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:43:49am

re: #37 Obdicut

Seriously? I didn't realize these assholes were so comfortable being out in the open with white supremacists.

Heck yeah. Dave Weigel is friends with RS McCain.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:44:25am

re: #37 Obdicut

Seriously? I didn't realize these assholes were so comfortable being out in the open with white supremacists.

You didn't know McCain was a noted HotAir blogger?

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:45:09am

re: #35 Gus

Fine. If I'm having nightmares tonight, you're having nightmares tonight!!!

42 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:45:16am

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. The GOP is freaking scared of actually talking to Obama live ever since he beat their asses during that Q&A session.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

43 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:45:35am

re: #37 Obdicut

Seriously? I didn't realize these assholes were so comfortable being out in the open with white supremacists.

When I first started criticizing McCain, the entire right wing blogosphere united to defend him -- including Pajamas Media, the site that I helped launch. It was a real eye-opener.

44 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:45:41am

RS McCain is part of the right wing and Republican party "new media" inner circle.

45 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:46:32am

re: #44 Gus

And not for his writing talents, if the linked post is representative.

46 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:46:47am

re: #40 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

You didn't know McCain was a noted HotAir blogger?

No. I rarely go over there. Wow.

Racial supremacists are some of the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. They don't understand genetics, they don't understand child development, they don't understand jack shit.

47 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:48:06am

re: #46 Obdicut

No. I rarely go over there. Wow.

Racial supremacists are some of the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. They don't understand genetics, they don't understand child development, they don't understand jack shit.

Isn't it normal to hate that which we don't understand?

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:48:39am

re: #46 Obdicut

I don't know if McCain is a white supremacist. I suspect he is, but I haven't seen evidence of that. I call him a racist and a white nationalist.

49 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:49:18am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Isn't it normal to hate that which we don't understand?

Stupid quantum mechanics.

50 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:49:39am

re: #48 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I don't know if McCain is a white supremacist. I suspect he is, but I haven't seen evidence of that. I call him a racist and a white nationalist.

How about just calling him an a hole and be done with it. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

51 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:49:57am

Tweet this to the RW slut-shamers:

It's Not A Controversy Unless The President's Barack Obama:
Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years

In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.

52 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:49:57am

re: #49 Varek Raith

Stupid quantum mechanics.

Vector Calculus is the Debil!

53 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:49:58am

re: #48 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I don't know if McCain is a white supremacist. I suspect he is, but I haven't seen evidence of that. I call him a racist and a white nationalist.

Heh. I've generally found very few racists who aren't supremacists, in the end. But point taken.

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:50:08am

re: #50 Iwouldprefernotto

He is an asshole racist.

55 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:50:48am

Tribalism at its worst ...

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:50:54am

re: #53 Obdicut

I don't mind when others call him that. I don't because this kind of "nitpicking" is important to me. I appreciate it's not so important in the big picture.

57 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:51:36am

re: #51 jaunte

Tweet this to the RW slut-shamers:

It's Not A Controversy Unless The President's Barack Obama:
Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years

I've brought that up before to wingnuts, and they always pick the same two word answer: "States rights."

58 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:53:05am

re: #57 Targetpractice

I've brought that up before to wingnuts, and they always pick the same two word answer: "States rights."

Then you bring up gay marriage.
Round and round we go!!!

59 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:53:15am

re: #57 Targetpractice

So they're opposed to the whole Constitution, balance of powers, etc.

60 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:57:08am

David Limbaugh thinks The Left is being unfair to his brother:

[Link: twitter.com...]

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:57:21am

re: #51 jaunte

Maddow had a segment a while back in which she pointed out the several states where Catholic institutions already offer insurance that includes coverage for the pill, and has for some time.

Let me see if I can dig that up.

62 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:57:41am

re: #59 jaunte

So they're opposed to the whole Constitution, balance of powers, etc.

They seem to believe that the only thing the Constitution does is serve as a long list of "Thou Shalt Not" for the feds, that the states can trample all over your rights...so long as they agree with it.

63 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:57:50am

Speaking of racists: We had protesters at our church this morning protesting the fact that our church supports Israel's right to exist. Wackadoodles.

64 majii  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:57:53am

I grew up in a segregated America, and even though we were called many things at the time, the use of derogatory terms were forbidden by our parents. To this day, I don't use the term n----- to refer to myself or any other Black American. I also don't use derogatory terms to refer to whites, Hispanic persons, Muslims, Asians, etc. I owe a debt to my parents for explaining to me at a young age that there is never a reason to refer to anyone, even ourselves, in a disparaging way. This rule has allowed me to have an open mind and to make friends without relying on old stereotypes and negative words. If anyone in this country should have reason to use derogatory terms to refer to others, my name should be first on the list. Having parents that took the time to actually parent and raise their kids with the sure feeling that the world would be different as their kids got older was a gift that has benefited me in many ways. I only wish more parents would teach their kids to view the world in the same way that my parents did.

65 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:00:01am

re: #64 majii

Great post, but you might want to edit to remove the exclamation point, as there's a filter here that blocks out the word and that kind of dodges around it.

But great post.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:00:07am

re: #53 Obdicut

Heh. I've generally found very few racists who aren't supremacists, in the end. But point taken.

I've remembered another reason why I avoid calling him that:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

ICK! By the way: Why is it that "white supremacists" who go around talking about "Aryan superiority" are ALWAYS so manifestly inferior?

This, of course, could be just a lip service.

67 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:00:41am

George Will Blasts GOP Candidates’ Meek Response To Rush: ‘They Want To Bomb Iran, But They’re Afraid Of Limbaugh’

Will mocked Speaker John Boehner for calling Rush’s language “inappropriate ” as comically weak, noting “using a salad fork for your entree, that’s inappropriate.”

68 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:00:52am

re: #20 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Oh--and check this out. Totally normal news article about the problems of the Chevy Volt. Read the comments. Somehow, admitting you use birth control means you "bonk half the campus."

We need to teach logic in the schools, and cover the whole "making crap up" fallacy.

[Link: thehill.com...]

In the age of the internet, education needs to be entirely redesigned. The focus should be on teaching children thinking rather than memorization. This was always true, but now more than ever facts can be looked up, but thinking can only happen inside each individual person's brain.

It also follows the "Teach a man to fish..." principle. You can't design education to account for every possible situation a person will encounter in the future, but if you teach a kid to think, they're prepared for anything that comes their way.

69 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:00:56am

Occupy AIPAC using antisemitic imagery
[Link: twitter.com...]
I'm shocked!
/

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:02:41am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

That's a known neo-Nazi image too, the upper part. I forgot the name of the "artist".

71 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:03:19am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Ugh.

72 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:03:56am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Occupy AIPAC using antisemitic imagery
[Link: twitter.com...]
I'm shocked!
/

Interesting.
[Link: garrisongraphics.blogspot.com...]

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:04:14am

Who is Ben Garrison?

74 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:04:50am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Occupy AIPAC using antisemitic imagery
[Link: twitter.com...]
I'm shocked!
/

Notice that whoever that asshole is, he's being denounced in the replies to his tweet.

75 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:05:08am

re: #73 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Who is Ben Garrison?

A Paulian.

76 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:05:26am

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

On Friday, Santorum said he shouldn't have used the word "snob" to describe the president, but blamed it on the fact that he doesn't have a speech writer and that he got a little passionate in the moment.

In other words, "I sometimes do really stupid things, but only when there's no one to stop me. Now elect me to be the guy with the nuclear launch codes!"

77 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:06:31am

What is amazing to me every time this kind of foot/bullet post appears on the Right is the utter lack of any kind of empathy or self awareness of how others might view what they are saying. McCain as usual will profess utter bafflement and shock that many people find his post objectionable and then attack those that do for being the real racists for even thinking in that way.

Nothing that anyone says is going to put so much as a tiny dent in the wall of denial he has erected around himself.

Ultimately that is probably the saddest thing about this...

78 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:07:03am

re: #70 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

That's a known neo-Nazi image too, the upper part. I forgot the name of the "artist".

It's a famous one. Not sure where it originated from.

79 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:08:16am

re: #78 Killgore Trout

It's a famous one. Not sure where it originated from.

Ah, I remembered. "A. Wyatt Mann". Don't google if you have a weak stomach.

80 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:08:35am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Occupy AIPAC using antisemitic imagery
[Link: twitter.com...]
I'm shocked!
/

Disgusting pictures. But why are you pinning that on "Occupy AIPAC?"

It's one moron on Twitter, and he's being denounced by lots of other people.

81 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:08:48am

re: #77 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I have no idea how someone's identity can be so shallowly formed that they have to rely on 'race' to prop themselves up. Even leaving all the nastiness aside, it's like identifying with other people with brown hair or who sunburn easily.

82 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:09:54am

The head in that cartoon is modeled after those used in White Supremacist Tom Metzger's site.

During his years of activism, Metzger has been adept at using several kinds of media to spread his message, including a monthly Internet-based newspaper, radio and television shows and appearances, videos, books, stickers, cartoons, a telephone hotline, a Web site, and an e-mail newsletter.

Metzger's Internet-based newspaper, The Insurgent describes itself as “the most racist newspaper on earth.” A typical issue consists of an editorial written by Metzger; letters to the editor; excerpts from Metzger's telephone and Internet messages; articles contributed by “associates,” which have included Sister Lisa Turner of the white supremacist World Church of the Creator (now the Creativity Movement) and Albion Wolf of the White Dragon (many more contributions are printed anonymously); cartoons featuring grotesque caricatures of blacks, Jews, Hispanics and gays; and listings of audio and video tapes, books and racist stickers for sale. In most issues, Metzger publishes a platform of statements, delineating in brief his stance on a host of issues, including race, environment, abortion, religion, international affairs, economics, women and gays...

83 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:10:00am

Here's an old cartoon that echoes McCain's verboten words complaint:
Image: hitlerfips.jpg

For a period in the 1920’s, Hitler was forbidden to address public meetings in much of Germany, which was a major blow to the Nazi propaganda apparatus. This poster, by cartoonist Philipp Rupprecht (most known for his cartoons for Julius Streicher’s Der Stürmer) is captioned: He alone of two billion people on earth may not speak in Germany.”

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:10:05am

Occupy AIPAC = buncha idiotic assholes.
Whether this originates with them I don't know and needs evidence.
But I wouldn't be surprised.

85 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:11:05am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Disgusting pictures. But why are you pinning that on "Occupy AIPAC?"

It's one moron on Twitter, and he's being denounced by lots of other people.

We were discussing Occupy AIPAC's use of antisemitic Latuff cartoons on their website earlier this morning.

86 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:11:49am

Expel the Zionist scum!
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:11:58am

BTW, "A. Wyatt Mann" is so radical he thinks David Duke is a sellout.

88 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:12:00am

re: #82 Gus

The head in that cartoon is modeled after those used in White Supremacist Tom Metzger's site.

Tom Metzger (white supremacist)

Thomas Metzger (born April 9, 1938) is an American white supremacist who founded White Aryan Resistance (WAR). His far-right activist groups, including WAR, have been monitored by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an American organization that tracks hate groups. He has been incarcerated in Los Angeles County, California and Toronto, Ontario, and has been the subject of several lawsuits and government inquiries. Metzger has also been involved with the Republican and Democratic parties, as an activist and a candidate. A neo-Nazi, who was also the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1970s, Metzger has voiced strong opposition to U.S. immigration...

89 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:12:54am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

When I first started criticizing McCain, the entire right wing blogosphere united to defend him -- including Pajamas Media, the site that I helped launch. It was a real eye-opener.

The right wing's "Achilles' heel" is that they're mindless wagon-circlers. They are constantly "circling the wagons" in fear of enemies real and imaginary, and each time they do it, the circle gets a little smaller and a few more people end up outside of it. Eventually the people outside of the circle constitute a majority.

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:12:54am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

We were discussing Occupy AIPAC's use of antisemitic Latuff cartoons on their website earlier this morning.

OK, can you point to Occupy AIPAC using this cartoon? Not to show that they're good guys wrongly maligned, but for the sake of accuracy.

91 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:13:19am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

We were discussing Occupy AIPAC's use of antisemitic Latuff cartoons on their website earlier this morning.

Well, I think you should keep in mind that there's a lot of criticism coming from lefties for this kind of crap, instead of assuming it's a common leftist viewpoint.

I don't support Occupy AIPAC, I just think it's not accurate to try to pin this antisemitic garbage on the whole left wing.

92 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:13:27am
93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:18:16am

re: #75 Obdicut

A Paulian.

Aha:

Unfortunately, Nazi crackpots have stolen some of my cartoons and hacked them up and added in offensive Jewish caricatures drawn by an anonymous racist artist--and they leave my name on them. These cartoons are not...I repeat, NOT mine. They are done by vicious, libelous smear merchants out to ruin my reputation. Please help me remove these offensive, libelous cartoons. Thank you. Ben Garrison

94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:18:24am

re: #91 Charles Johnson

Well, I think you should keep in mind that there's a lot of criticism coming from lefties for this kind of crap, instead of assuming it's a common leftist viewpoint.

I don't support Occupy AIPAC, I just think it's not accurate to try to pin this antisemitic garbage on the whole left wing.

It seems fairly representative of Occup AIPAC. Anon's involvement with the Occupy movement is not a secret. I never blamed this on "the whole left wing". If there are so many lefties speaking out against open displays of antisemitism then why can't I join them in denouncing it?

95 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:18:57am

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still losing advertisers despite his "apology."

ProFlowers just announced they're dropping the pig. I think that's the 8th major advertiser who's bailed out.

96 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:19:01am

re: #93 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Aha:

That's right. Just finished reading that. So this idiot is also libeling Ben Garrison.

97 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:20:10am

re: #89 Charleston Chew

I've never figured out where racists even start from, anyway. If you're "English", you're a mix of Roman, Angle, Celtic, Saxon, Jute, Norman, and probably other ancillary 'races'. So where is the 'race' component?

If you're Spanish, you're a mix of North African, Roman, Celtic, Greek, etc. So where is the 'race'?

There is nowhere on earth-- not even Japan, that has a stable gene pool.

Racists are idiots.

98 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:20:25am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

You can, just be accurate, as you have advised me when I called ChenZhen a truther. This cartoon was not used by OccupyAIPAC, bad as they are.

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:20:37am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Maddow had a segment a while back in which she pointed out the several states where Catholic institutions already offer insurance that includes coverage for the pill, and has for some time.

Let me see if I can dig that up.

Damn it. Never mind. I can't seem to find the one I had in mind.

100 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:20:43am

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still losing advertisers despite his "apology."

ProFlowers just announced they're dropping the pig. I think that's the 8th major advertiser who's bailed out.

Great! I think this points to a new term.. Rush! You got Beck'd!

101 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:20:56am

[Dracula sees Igor poking the werewolf with a cattle prod]
Count Vladislaus Dracula: Igor!
Igor: Yes, Master?
Count Vladislaus Dracula: Why do you torment that thing so?
Igor: It's what I do.

102 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:22:00am

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still losing advertisers despite his "apology."

ProFlowers just announced they're dropping the pig. I think that's the 8th major advertiser who's bailed out.

Should be interesting to see what fat boy does tomorrow. Will he acknowledge that nobody's taking his "apology" seriously or plow on as though nothing's happening because he expects they'll sneak back in after the controversy has died down?

103 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:22:21am

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still losing advertisers despite his "apology."

ProFlowers just announced they're dropping the pig. I think that's the 8th major advertiser who's bailed out.

Ironically, each time I hear about a company dropping Limbaugh, I have a less favorable view of them because now I know they were sponsoring him in the first place.

104 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:22:26am

Losing advertisers is the only reason Rush "apologized" to begin with.
Because, frankly, he's said even worse things in the past.

105 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:22:33am
106 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:22:57am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Cree-py.

107 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:24:36am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

"Irrelevant." They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

108 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:24:44am

re: #106 Obdicut

Cree-py.

Image: group-hug.jpg

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:24:55am

re: #97 Obdicut

I've never figured out where racists even start from, anyway. If you're "English", you're a mix of Roman, Angle, Celtic, Saxon, Jute, Norman, and probably other ancillary 'races'. So where is the 'race' component?

If you're Spanish, you're a mix of North African, Roman, Celtic, Greek, etc. So where is the 'race'?

There is nowhere on earth-- not even Japan, that has a stable gene pool.

Racists are idiots.

For that matter, what is "White Culture?"

Mayonnaise growing mold?

110 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:26:17am

re: #97 Obdicut

I've never figured out where racists even start from, anyway. If you're "English", you're a mix of Roman, Angle, Celtic, Saxon, Jute, Norman, and probably other ancillary 'races'. So where is the 'race' component?

If you're Spanish, you're a mix of North African, Roman, Celtic, Greek, etc. So where is the 'race'?

There is nowhere on earth-- not even Japan, that has a stable gene pool.

Racists are idiots.

Not knowing things makes life simpler.

There's something sad about the metaphorical idea of siblings who move far away from each other and then years later their children hate each other because they mistake their cousins for aliens.

111 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:28:21am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Well, I have nothing to do with those people. People are free to protest AIPAC if they so desire. I already said my part to this anonymous Twitter account...

112 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:28:49am

re: #104 Varek Raith

Losing advertisers is the only reason Rush "apologized" to begin with.
Because, frankly, he's said even worse things in the past.

This gets my vote for his lowest moment ever.

113 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:29:19am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Occupy AIPAC using antisemitic imagery
[Link: twitter.com...]
I'm shocked!
/

When did Occupy AIPAC use this image?

114 Charleston Chew  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:29:27am

re: #109 To hold my temper, most of the time.

For that matter, what is "White Culture?"

Mayonnaise growing mold?

The only thing of value unique to white people that I can think of is lactase persistence.

115 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:29:29am

Ugh. Had to delete those Tweets. That cartoon was showing up in here.

116 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:30:03am

re: #97 Obdicut

I've never figured out where racists even start from, anyway. If you're "English", you're a mix of Roman, Angle, Celtic, Saxon, Jute, Norman, and probably other ancillary 'races'. So where is the 'race' component?

If you're Spanish, you're a mix of North African, Roman, Celtic, Greek, etc. So where is the 'race'?

There is nowhere on earth-- not even Japan, that has a stable gene pool.

Racists are idiots.

I picked up the perfect term to describe myself a few years ago: "American Mutt." Seriously, I don't even had to go more than three generations in my family lineage to find out "non-White" ancestors. Just off the top of my head, my family gene pool includes English, French, "Black Dutch" (i.e. German), Irish, Scottish, etc. So hearing all these "White Supremacist" dipshits talking about "racial purity" is fucking hilarious.

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:30:10am

Everything is "Occupy" now. There's a local tribal dispute going on that has been dubbed "Occupy Chukchansi".

118 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:30:42am

re: #115 Gus

Ugh. Had to delete those Tweets. That cartoon was showing up in here.

Anyway my Tweets are here and here.

119 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:31:04am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

It seems fairly representative of Occup AIPAC. Anon's involvement with the Occupy movement is not a secret. I never blamed this on "the whole left wing". If there are so many lefties speaking out against open displays of antisemitism then why can't I join them in denouncing it?

It may be representative of Occupy AIPAC, I don't know, I haven't been paying attention to them. Yeah, that's some pretty hateful stuff. But this is the fringiest of fringe groups, not some mass movement on the left.

120 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:31:59am

re: #98 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

You can, just be accurate, as you have advised me when I called ChenZhen a truther. This cartoon was not used by OccupyAIPAC, bad as they are.

Anon is acting in solidarity with Occupy AIPAC and claims to have shut down the AIPAC website today. The fact they they are using antisemtic imagery today against AIPAC is not a coincidence.

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:33:21am

re: #109 To hold my temper, most of the time.

For that matter, what is "White Culture?"

Mayonnaise growing mold?

Rotating title nomination!

122 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:33:49am

re: #121 William Barnett-Lewis

Rotating title nomination!

Nah, not short and pithy enough.

123 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:34:30am

Anonymous antisemites who can use the word Occupy.

124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:35:41am

re: #122 Targetpractice

Nah, not short and pithy enough.

Okay:

White culture: Mayonnaise growing mold.

Seriously, though, as I have said before: my husband is "white," and so am I. His ancestors never ate Wiener schnitzel. Mine never ate Lutefisk. We eat neither; we eat Chinese and Italian and Mexican, and are very happy that way.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:36:41am

re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth

Everything is "Occupy" now. There's a local tribal dispute going on that has been dubbed "Occupy Chukchansi".

Err... anyway. Point being that "Occupy Whatever" should no longer be seen as being synonymous with concerns about income disparity in this country. There have been a shit ton of "Occupy Whatevers" that are not even remotely about that issue.

126 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:36:57am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

So that's a 'no, I can't show where Occupy AIPAC used this', right?

I mean, fuck Occupy AIPAC, I haven't seen anything resembling a cogent point from them, but you can't just say that Anon = Occupy. Because they don't.

From Occupy AIPAC:

CODEPINK Women for Peace is coordinating Occupy AIPAC, in partnership with the Institute for Policy Studies, Just Foreign Policy, US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN), Interfaith Peace-builders, Jewish Voice for Peace,

So yeah, a bunch of the usual fringe haters. Fuck 'em.

127 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:37:00am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Expel the Zionist scum!
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

Seems like a bit more than one guy on twitter to me...still judging by the ages of those in photo I'd have to hazard a guess that most were indoctrinated into the "Far Left" back during the days when the ultimate goal was world Communism and Jews were still one of the major enemies/scapegoats for that movement.

I guess no matter how old one gets that no one can actually force you to grow up, the Left does seem to still have a problem with a fair share of embarrassing children hanging onto it's coattails. I suppose the difference is that ours were created 30+ years ago mostly while the Right is creating theirs today while we speak.

128 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:37:07am

re: #119 Charles Johnson

It may be representative of Occupy AIPAC, I don't know, I haven't been paying attention to them. Yeah, that's some pretty hateful stuff. But this is the fringiest of fringe groups, not some mass movement on the left.

Occupy Wall St. stands in solidarity with Occupy AIPAC

Occupy Wall St. GA: Any blocks? No! We have consensus about standing in solidarity against AIPAC. #ows #nycga. Additionally, OWS occupiers will be joining the hundreds of others at Occupy AIPAC>

See the entire GA livetweets here: [Link: livetweets.occupy.net...]

Not sure what the latest rules are but it probably passed with at least 90% (in not unanimous) support. This is why I don't support the Occupy Movement. If more people spoke out maybe the movement could make something of itself.

129 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:37:12am

The Celtics lead the Knicks 62-60 ... Players of all races and ethnicities are working well together.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:37:17am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

All good, but does not equal "OAIPAC uses this cartoon".

131 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:37:59am

I forgot that Spaniards are German, too. Race is just so gosh-darned hard to keep track of. I wonder how the race-obsessed idiots like McCain do it.

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:38:14am

re: #123 jaunte

Anonymous antisemites who can use the word Occupy.

In the background of that twitter page you can actually see the whole range of OWS. Does that mean that "OWS used antisemitic cartoon"?

133 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:38:52am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

There isn't any one Occupy movement, though, which I think you know, right?

134 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:38:59am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Because a single group from Georgia represents all of OWS.

Glad we cleared that up.

///

135 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:39:31am

re: #133 Obdicut

There isn't any one Occupy movement, though, which I think you know, right?

He doesn't care. It's all chance to paint everyone on the left with the same broad brush about OWS.

136 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:39:43am

re: #129 _RememberTonyC

The Celtics lead the Knicks 62-60 ... Players of all races and ethnicities are working well together.

Pretty sloppy game today.. Looking forward to heat-Lakers game

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:40:00am

BTW, current OWS sucks goats' balls. Doesn't mean you can pin just anything on them.

138 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:40:23am

re: #131 Obdicut

I forgot that Spaniards are German, too. Race is just so gosh-darned hard to keep track of. I wonder how the race-obsessed idiots like McCain do it.

Even worse when you venture into the family trees of sort parts of this country. My mother's family is from backwoods Kentucky, and nobody has the first clue where to start charting out the relations. You just sorta grow up knowing that you're "kin," without worrying about looking too hard into how exactly close you are.

139 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:40:26am

re: #134 Lidane

Occupy WS at this point I think is probably irredeemable; those that are left are hard-core ideologues of one stripe or another. That isn't what they were at the beginning, though, and it's important to distinguish between now and then.

140 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:41:03am

re: #137 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

BTW, current OWS sucks goats' balls. Doesn't mean you can pin just anything on them.

There you go, defending OWS, just like a good little liberal!

141 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:41:04am

re: #132 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Given the variety of protests, I don't think Occupy is functioning as a coherent group; it's difficult to say who's responsible for anything labeled by the name.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:41:11am

re: #137 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

OWS doesn't even represent "OWS" now. It's spiraled out, spewing smoke.

143 recusancy  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:41:18am

Jesus.. I see Occupy Derangement Syndrome is still going strong.

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:41:53am

re: #140 Targetpractice

Hey, it's between them and goats! //

145 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:42:04am

re: #139 Obdicut

Occupy WS at this point I think is probably irredeemable; those that are left are hard-core ideologues of one stripe or another. That isn't what they were at the beginning, though, and it's important to distinguish between now and then.

I know that. But every time KT starts with his insufferable concern trolling about OWS, it's only to say that everyone on the left is colluding with and/or agrees with some fringe nutjobs who use the Occupy name.

It's tiring.

146 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:42:25am

And "Anon" is still just something anyone can call themselves, it's a bunch of assholes on the internet that occasionally get motivated by some jerks or another to a specific goal. But the same fucktards still do shit like harassing 14 year old girls, too.

Anon simultaneously spread child porn and attacked pedophiles.

147 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:42:25am

re: #141 jaunte

Given the variety of protests, I don't think Occupy is functioning as a coherent group; it's difficult to say who's responsible for anything labeled by the name.

"Occupy" these days is sorta like a brand name, something you slap onto any movement in some hope of making it seem "official," but just makes the whole concept even less coherent. Granted, the "Occupy" movement wasn't exactly all that consistent to begin with.

148 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:42:51am

re: #134 Lidane

Because a single group from Georgia represents all of OWS.

Glad we cleared that up.

///

GA stands for General Assembly. That feed is from the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street in New York City.

149 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:43:03am

re: #143 recusancy

Jesus.. I see Occupy Derangement Syndrome is still going strong.

Code Pink is happy Killgore still thinks they're relevant, anyway.

150 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:43:09am

re: #147 Targetpractice

It's about as meaningful as the word Natural applied to food labels.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:43:20am

re: #143 recusancy

Occupy Infatuation Syndrome is rampant out there, with everyone and their mother calling their protest movement "Occupy Flibertyjibbet" or whatever.

152 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:44:21am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

That's like shooting oneself in the foot at this stage.

153 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:44:28am

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Pretty sloppy game today.. Looking forward to heat-Lakers game

I'm glued ... iPad on LGF and laptop on espn.com

154 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:44:28am
155 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:44:57am

re: #149 Obdicut

Code Pink is happy Killgore still thinks they're relevant, anyway.

Much like Saul Alinsky, if those on the right didn't throw around this name NOBODY WOULD KNOW IT AT ALL.

156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:45:57am

Here's Occupy AIPAC twitter:

[Link: twitter.com...]

If you want to pin twitter stuff on them, go through it, not through third-party stuff.

157 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:46:04am

re: #141 jaunte

Given the variety of protests, I don't think Occupy is functioning as a coherent group; it's difficult to say who's responsible for anything labeled by the name.

The only defined OWS group was the original one, with the folks in Zuccotti Park. All the rest of them were copycat offshoots of the original, each with their own separate agendas.

Branding all of OWS with the actions of a few fringe nutjobs that slapped the word Occupy on their protest is pointless.

158 recusancy  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:46:40am

re: #149 Obdicut

Code Pink is happy Killgore still thinks they're relevant, anyway.

And I suspect the reverse is true as well. Everyone needs a reason to feel relevant.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:46:46am

re: #152 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I'm off to "Occupy Shower", then perhaps see if I can get a couple of eggs interested in the "Occupy Behemoth's Stomach" movement.

160 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:46:52am

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

I'm glued ... iPad on LGF and laptop on espn.com

And TV on ABC

161 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:47:27am

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm off to "Occupy Shower", then perhaps see if I can get a couple of eggs interested in the "Occupy Behemoth's Stomach" movement.

Good ideas. You should start your own Occupy.

162 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:48:03am

re: #149 Obdicut

Code Pink is happy Killgore still thinks they're relevant, anyway.

I'm still amazed that anyone gives a shit about Code Pink. There are maybe a few thousand folks all across the country that even know or care who Code Pink is.

Here in Austin, which has its share of hippies and college students, Code Pink can barely manage over a dozen people. They're about as relevant as a Jonas Brothers fan club.

163 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:48:09am

Preocupado.

164 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:48:20am

Celtics SMOKING the Knicks ...

165 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:48:37am

re: #157 Lidane

The only defined OWS group was the original one, with the folks in Zuccotti Park. All the rest of them were copycat offshoots of the original, each with their own separate agendas.

Branding all of OWS with the actions of a few fringe nutjobs that slapped the word Occupy on their protest is pointless.

A lot of whole lack of coordination had to do with the idea that each was "independent," which looked good on paper, but in practice meant that each was operating on little more than mob mentality. And when all you have to do to run a camp is get enough useless idiots to vote the way you want, then it's easy for the fringe movements to creep in and grab the reins.

166 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:49:26am

re: #157 Lidane

The only defined OWS group was the original one, with the folks in Zuccotti Park. All the rest of them were copycat offshoots of the original, each with their own separate agendas.

Branding all of OWS with the actions of a few fringe nutjobs that slapped the word Occupy on their protest is pointless.

The New York General Assembly voted to endorse Occupy AIPAC.

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:50:26am

To conclude this topic:

1. Occupy AIPAC = idiots and assholes, with antisemites in the mix, and with potential to grow more antisemitism.

2. OWS = rotten and extremist at this stage, not worth supporting at this stage. Not always was rotten and extremist.

3. Just because Occupy AIPAC and OWS are extremists doesn't mean you can accuse them of just anything. Claims should still be tied to facts.

Thatisall.

168 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:51:39am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

That's about 300 people, right?

169 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:51:39am

re: #165 Targetpractice

There's about a billion and a half reasons why Occupy didn't have staying power-- the main ones just being that the logistics of occupying public spaces is fucking daunting, and that if you have ideological non-voters around they're going to clash with the actual political activists.

They may or may not have inspired the 99%/1% rhetoric, the discussion about income inequality. I don't know how to figure out if they inspired it, or they just rode the wave.

But now they're a tiny remnant, of interest mainly to right-wing bloggers, while we have actual bonafide racist insane fuckheads like Sheriff Joe in real, actual power over other human beings. We have Romney, elite liar grade 19, possibly winning the presidency and able to appoint Supreme Court judges who will further break down separation of church and state and further deny civil rights to many Americans.

We have many systemic problems in this country. Occupy is not one of them.

170 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:51:46am

re: #146 Obdicut

And "Anon" is still just something anyone can call themselves, it's a bunch of assholes on the internet that occasionally get motivated by some jerks or another to a specific goal. But the same fucktards still do shit like harassing 14 year old girls, too.

Anon simultaneously spread child porn and attacked pedophiles.

There are very good reasons why /b is called the armpit of the internet.

171 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:52:14am

re: #165 Targetpractice

A lot of whole lack of coordination had to do with the idea that each was "independent," which looked good on paper, but in practice meant that each was operating on little more than mob mentality. And when all you have to do to run a camp is get enough useless idiots to vote the way you want, then it's easy for the fringe movements to creep in and grab the reins.

Well yeah. Because at its heart it was a leaderless, rudderless movement. The folks in Zuccotti Park had a defined goal, but once it got out of their hands and the copycats started cropping up all over the place, the original message was lost.

It's like the Tea Party. Yeah, Faux News astroturfed a fair amount of it, but there are plenty of fringe groups that slapped the words Tea Party on their fan club and who have their own agendas too.

172 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:54:03am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

The New York General Assembly voted to endorse Occupy AIPAC.

Because those are the same people who were in Zuccotti Park from the beginning, and there was some sort of official election and stuff.

Honestly, I know you get off on tying everyone and everything that you don't like to OWS, but give it a fucking rest already.

173 erik_t  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:55:54am

re: #172 Lidane

I commend you and others for fighting the good fight. At this point it's a lot easier to just scroll on by.

174 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:56:03am

re: #169 Obdicut

There's about a billion and a half reasons why Occupy didn't have staying power-- the main ones just being that the logistics of occupying public spaces is fucking daunting, and that if you have ideological non-voters around they're going to clash with the actual political activists.

They may or may not have inspired the 99%/1% rhetoric, the discussion about income inequality. I don't know how to figure out if they inspired it, or they just rode the wave.

But now they're a tiny remnant, of interest mainly to right-wing bloggers, while we have actual bonafide racist insane fuckheads like Sheriff Joe in real, actual power over other human beings. We have Romney, elite liar grade 19, possibly winning the presidency and able to appoint Supreme Court judges who will further break down separation of church and state and further deny civil rights to many Americans.

We have many systemic problems in this country. Occupy is not one of them.

Honestly think that the ultimate problem with Occupy was the very concept, namely of camping out in one spot indefinitely. Yeah, it meant the movement got a lot of press, but the very logistics of long-term occupation ultimately weighed against them. It would have been better had they limited it, say to weekends or so many days in the week itself, instead of turning parks into the modern equivalent of hobo camps.

175 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:57:40am

From the Nation, Sept. 29, 2011:

How many people have responded to the Adbusters call? How large is the group? And how large has it ever been?

The original Adbusters call envisioned 20,000 people flooding the Financial District on September 17. A tenth of that probably ended up being there that day. Despite a massive Anonymous-powered online social media blitz, lots of people simply didn’t know about it, and traditional progressive organizations like labor unions and peace groups were uncomfortable signing on to so amorphous an action. Over the course of a difficult first week, with arrests happening just about every day, new faces kept coming, as others filtered out to take a break. The media coverage after last weekend’s mass arrests and alleged police brutality has brought many more. Now, during the day and into the night, one finds 500 or more people in the plaza, and maybe half that sleeping over.* At any given time, several thousand people around the world are watching the occupation’s 24/7 livestream online.
[Link: www.thenation.com...]

*This was in September of last year. There are probably many fewer now in the grandly titled "OWS General Assembly."

176 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:57:55am

re: #145 Lidane

I know that. But every time KT starts with his insufferable concern trolling about OWS, it's only to say that everyone on the left is colluding with and/or agrees with some fringe nutjobs who use the Occupy name.

It's tiring.

Every single day.

177 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:00:16pm

Commentary commentator did not like Obama's AIPAC speech:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

178 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:02:42pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

The New York General Assembly voted to endorse Occupy AIPAC.

When did Occupy AIPAC use that image you linked to?

179 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:02:50pm

re: #177 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Commentary commentator did not like Obama's AIPAC speech:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

Right wing nutjobs are right wing nutjobs.

180 dragonfire1981  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:05:03pm

Check out this Breitbart article posted by a Yahoo! "Contributor" that, among other things, credits Breitbart with drawing young people to conservatism.

181 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:05:21pm

re: #177 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Commentary commentator did not like Obama's AIPAC speech:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

Surprise!

//

182 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:05:26pm

re: #175 jaunte

From the Nation, Sept. 29, 2011:

*This was in September of last year. There are probably many fewer now in the grandly titled "OWS General Assembly."

At this point, probably no more than a dozen in this "Grand Assembly", if that.

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:06:39pm

re: #181 Gus

Not hawkish enough! :PP

184 recusancy  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:06:52pm

re: #177 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Commentary commentator did not like Obama's AIPAC speech:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

They won't be happy until Iran is a parking lot.

185 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:08:17pm

re: #183 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Not hawkish enough! :PP

He obviously didn't pound the podium enough. I knew this was coming of course. While listening to it I thought of the usual suspects on the far-left and the far-right. The latter being more mainstreamed. So for one group he went "too far" and the other would say "he didn't go far enough."

SNAFU

186 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:08:57pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still losing advertisers despite his "apology."

ProFlowers just announced they're dropping the pig. I think that's the 8th major advertiser who's bailed out.

Don't insult pigs. They're gentle, intelligent creatures, who happen to like rolling in the mud.

Giant slug, perhaps. But even slugs I suppose have their good qualities.

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:09:50pm

re: #185 Gus

He obviously didn't pound the podium enough. I knew this was coming of course. While listening to it I thought of the usual suspects on the far-left and the far-right. The latter being more mainstreamed. So for one group he went "too far" and the other would say "he didn't go far enough."

SNAFU

He should have taken off his boot and pounded it on the podium while screaming "We'll bury them!".

188 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:10:40pm

re: #187 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

He should have taken off his boot and pounded it on the podium while screaming "We'll bury them!".

Image: Blog_Khrushchev_Shoe.jpg

189 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:11:03pm

re: #184 recusancy

They won't be happy until Iran is a parking lot.

idiot RW warmongers, with thei kids all tucked safely away.

190 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:12:07pm

re: #187 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

He should have taken off his boot and pounded it on the podium while screaming "We'll bury them!".

Wingnut alternative reality:

My fellow Americans and those gathered here at AIPAC this morning, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Iran forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

191 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:12:47pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still losing advertisers despite his "apology."

ProFlowers just announced they're dropping the pig. I think that's the 8th major advertiser who's bailed out.

Offending half the population, and their parents, just isn't a good marketing move, it seems. I guess Rush didn't consult with the focus groups beforehand.

192 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:12:49pm

re: #186 Tigger2005

Limbaugh is a giant, bloated snake, too lazy from gorging itself on rodents to actually move to much.

Instead, it drools venom.

193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:13:14pm

That's spooky.

The cat is in the other room meowing. And his meows are perfectly in time with the Stevie Ray Vaughn song playing right now.

Walkin' the tightrope (meow) every day and every night (meow)
Walkin' the tightrope (meow) bring it all around (meow)

Kept time for about 2-2 1/2 minutes.

194 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:14:06pm

re: #191 Tigger2005

Offending half the population, and their parents, just isn't a good marketing move, it seems. I guess Rush didn't consult with the focus groups beforehand.

And I should say that Rush offended far more than half the population, he also offended those men who consider themselves GENTLEMEN. There are more of them than he thinks.

195 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:14:35pm

re: #186 Tigger2005

Don't insult pigs. They're gentle, intelligent creatures, who happen to like rolling in the mud.

Giant slug, perhaps. But even slugs I suppose have their good qualities.

And if you give pigs roaming room rather than being kept penned in a sty they're quite a bit cleaner than normally portrayed.

196 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:14:38pm

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's spooky.

The cat is in the other room meowing. And his meows are perfectly in time with the Stevie Ray Vaughn song playing right now.

Walkin' the tightrope (meow) every day and every night (meow)
Walkin' the tightrope (meow) bring it all around (meow)

Kept time for about 2-2 1/2 minutes.

It'll never happen again! Seriously. I once had a cat that tried to talk to me once. Wasn't really human talk but he was yapping away with mouth like he was talking to me. Was really strange.

197 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:15:05pm

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You should have video taped it. That would be a good 200k views on Youtube easy.

Also, talented cat. You might be able to make money off of him.

198 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:16:46pm

re: #197 ProGunLiberal

You should have video taped it. That would be a good 200k views on Youtube easy.

Also, talented cat. You might be able to make money off of him.

He would have stopped the moment I went into the other room. He's like the tap dancing frog and my niece. No performance if there is an audience present.

199 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:17:24pm

re: #196 Gus

It'll never happen again! Seriously. I once had a cat that tried to talk to me once. Wasn't really human talk but he was yapping away with mouth like he was talking to me. Was really strange.

"HEY GUYS! I THINK HE'S ABOUT TO MEOW! IT'S LIKE HE'S TRYING TO COMMUNICATE!" - The Cat

200 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:18:47pm

re: #196 Gus

It'll never happen again! Seriously. I once had a cat that tried to talk to me once. Wasn't really human talk but he was yapping away with mouth like he was talking to me. Was really strange.

Dropped your speed pills into his milk bowl, did ya?

201 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:18:55pm

re: #198 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

It's like the frog from that one old Warner Bros. cartoon then?

202 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:21:01pm

re: #196 Gus

It'll never happen again! Seriously. I once had a cat that tried to talk to me once. Wasn't really human talk but he was yapping away with mouth like he was talking to me. Was really strange.

It could have been, like, an Einstein among cats.

203 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:21:28pm

re: #202 Tigger2005

It could have been, like, an Einstein among cats.

heh,, thats the name of our oldest dog

204 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:21:59pm

re: #202 Tigger2005

It could have been, like, an Einstein among cats.

"I have just discovered the Unified Field Theory! If only I can make this human understand..."

205 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:22:58pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

GA stands for General Assembly. That feed is from the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street in New York City.

A list of evil supporters of Occupy AIPAC: (part one)

Endorsers

ORGANIZATIONAL ENDORSEMENTS
14 Friends of Palestine
Adalah-NY: The Coalition for Justice in the Middle East
Al- Nakba Awareness Project
Alliance for Global Justice
Americans & Palestinians for Peace (AMPAL)
American Jews for a Just Peace
American Jews for a Just Peace – Boston
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) – DC
American Muslims for Palestine
American Muslim Voice Foundation
Americans United for Palestinian Human Rights
Arab American Forum
Arab Americans of Central Ohio
Arizona Alliance for Peace and Justice (AAPJ)
Artists Against Apartheid
BAKA: Students United for Middle Eastern Justice at Rutgers University
Bay Area Women in Black
Birthright Unplugged
Brooklyn for Peace
Build Bridges Not Walls
California Israel Divestment Campaign
Carolina Peace
Central New York Working for a Just Peace in Palestine and Israel
Chicago Faith Coalition on Middle East Policy (CFCMEP)
Christians for Palestinian Rights, Maine
Christian Peacemaker Teams – Palestine
Citizens for Justice in the Middle East
Citizens for Palestinian Self-Determination
Coalition for Palestinian Rights
Coalition of Community Organizations (COCO)
Coalition to Stop $30 Billion to Israel
CODEPINK Women For Peace
Committee for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine
Committee for Palestinian Rights
Committee for Peace in Israel and Palestine
Corvallis Palestine Action Group
Council for the National Interest
Cultures of Resistance Network
Ella’s Daughter’s and Arab-Jewish Partnership
End the Occupation- Northern Illinois
Dorothy Day Catholic Worker Movement
Faculty for Israeli-Palestinian Peace
Fairmont State University Young Democrats
Fast Times in Palestine
Fellowship of Reconciliation
Free Palestine Movement
Friends of Palestine
Friends of Sabeel -North America
Friends of Sabeel -NorCal
Front Range Coalition for Mideast Justice & Peace
Global Exchange
Hilton Head for Peace
If Americans Knew
Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy, Inc
InterDenominational Advocates for Peace
Interfaith Community for Palestinian Rights
Interfaith Community for Palestinian Rights, Austin, TX
Interfaith Peace-Builders
International Solidarity Movement
International Solidarity Movement, Bard College
International Solidarity Movement, Northern California
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions USA (ICHAD-USA)
Israeli Occupation Archive
It is Apartheid
Jews Say No
Jewish Voice for Peace
Jewish Voice for Peace, Bay Area
Jewish Voice for Peace, Boston
Jewish Voice for Peace, Chicago
Jewish Voice for Peace, Portland, OR
Jewish Voice for Peace, DC Metro Chapter
Justice First Foundation
JustPeace
Kalamazoo Nonviolent Opponents of War (KNOW)
LA Jews for Peace
MADRE
MAS (Muslim American Society) Freedom
Methodist Federation for Social Action
Middle East Children’s Alliance
Middle East Fellowship
MidEast: JustPeace
Middle East Peace Now
Middle East Policy Advisory Committee (MEPAC)
Minnesota Break the Bonds
Muslim Student Union – University of California, Irvine
National Lawyers Guild, Free Palestine Committee
Network of Spiritual Progressives
New Orleans Palestinian Solidarity
Nonviolence International
Northfielders for Justice in Palestine/Israel
North Shore Coalition for Peace and Justice
Olympia BDS
Palestine-Israel Action Group- Quakers, Ann Arbor, MI
Peace Action
Peace Action New York State
Peace Action of San Mateo County
Peace Action Montgomery (MD)
Philly BDS
Princeton Middle East Society
Progressive Democrats of America
Proposition One Committee
Radio Free Maine
Rachel Corrie Foundation
Radio Against Apartheid
Radio Free Maine
Run For Palestine

206 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:22:59pm

I can't recall "slut" ever being acceptable as a pejorative on standard broadcast radio. Me thinks he's reminiscing for a time that only exists in his imagination.....

207 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:23:01pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

heh,, thats the name of our oldest dog

Did you get that from Back to the Future?

208 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:23:13pm

re: #204 Tigger2005

"I have just discovered the Unified Field Theory! If only I can make this human understand..."

"You see, if you invert the variable coefficient then SQUIRREL!"

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:24:57pm

re: #205 b_sharp

What's the point of this list?

210 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:25:18pm

Evil supporters: (part two)
Endorsers

ORGANIZATIONAL ENDORSEMENTS
Sabeel DC Metro
Sacramento Area Peace Action
Saje Press
Sba Farms Collective
Seattle Mideast Awareness Campaign
Socialist Party USA -Baltimore branch
South Florida Boycott, Divest and Sanction
Squadron13.com
Students Confronting Apartheid by Israel at Stanford University
Students for Peace and Justice in Palestine- University of Virginia
St. Louis Palestine Solidarity Committee
Stop AIPAC
Students for a Free Palestine at Oberlin
Students for Justice in Palestine Groups:
SJP- American University
SJP- Benedictine University
SJP- Brown University
SJP- Florida International University
SJP- George Washington University
SJP- Georgetown University
SJP- New York University
SJP- Northeastern University
SJP- Pennsylvania State University
SJP- San Diego State University
SJP- Saint Xavier University
SJP- UC Berkeley
SJP- UCSD
SJP- University of Maryland
The Campaign for Peace and Democracy
The Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid
The Coalition for Peace with Justice
The Committee for Peace in Israel and Palestine – CoPiP
The Front Range Coalition for Mideast Justice & Peace
The Madison-Rafah Sister City Project in Madison, Wisconsin
The North Texas Boycott, Divest and Sanction of Israel Campaign
The Peace Education Center of Greater Lansing
The Tree of Life Educational Fund
The US Peace Council
Unelected.org
Unitarian Universalists for Justice in the Middle East
United for Peace and Justice
United National Antiwar Committee
US Boat to Gaza
US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel
US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation
US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN)
The US Peace Council
Vermonters for a Just Peace In Palestine/Israel
Veterans for Peace
Voices for Creative Nonviolence
Washington Interfaith Peace Alliance
Washington Peace Center
We Are Wide Awake
WESPAC Foundation
Women in Black, Augusta Chapter
Women in Black, Westchester, NY
Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom- US Section

I just posted these to make sure KT has the full list that should be posted with every one of his Occupy comments.

211 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:25:51pm

The two talking cats

Not what I mentioned but I think I almost died of cuteness.

212 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:25:57pm

re: #209 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

What's the point of this list?

Its for KT and complete disclosure.

213 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:26:54pm

re: #210 b_sharp

I just posted these to make sure KT has the full list that should be posted with every one of his Occupy comments.

Pfft. You know it's just going to be "OWS ENDORSED OCCUPY AIPAC! ELEVENTY!" for the duration, right?

Facts, nuance, etc. don't matter. Just the soundbite.

214 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:26:57pm

re: #211 Gus

The two talking cats

[Embedded content]Not what I mentioned but I think I almost died of cuteness.

One of my favorite Youtube cat videos. Alongside this one:

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:27:11pm

re: #210 b_sharp

But does it tells us anything about OAIPAC?

216 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:27:11pm

Paul: Limbaugh apologized for personal gain

On CBS News' "Face the Nation," the Texas congressman told host Bob Schieffer that Limbaugh's apology "was in his best interest."

"He's doing it because some people were taking their advertisements off of his program. It was his bottom line he was concerned about," Paul said.

Paul referred to three companies that pulled advertisements from Limbaugh's show following incendiary remarks Limbaugh made about Fluke for testifying before a mock Congressional committee in favor of free contraception insurance coverage at Georgetown, a Jesuit university. [One company's spokesman said that Limbaugh's comments "do not align [with] our values." Another pulled out "Due to continued inflammatory comments - along with valuable feedback from clients and team members" about the remarks.]

"I don't think he's very apologetic," Paul said. "It's in his best interest, that's why he did it."

217 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:27:34pm

re: #207 Tigger2005

Did you get that from Back to the Future?

No

When we got him from a rescue place, he was very emaciated, flea bitten and missing a LOT of fur , aside from this one prominent unruly tuft on his head!

218 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:29:27pm

re: #217 sattv4u2

No

When we got him from a rescue place, he was very emaciated, flea bitten and missing a LOT of fur , aside from this one prominent unruly tuft on his head!

Einstein was actually the unluckiest man in the world.

He normally had his hair immaculately groomed. It was just that always, ALWAYS, when he was filmed or photographed, he was having a bad hair day.

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:29:29pm

re: #211 Gus

The two talking cats

[Embedded content]Not what I mentioned but I think I almost died of cuteness.

That entire conversation was about taking a nap you realize. Cats have over fifty meows that translate to "sleep" in huuman.

220 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:29:38pm

re: #215 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

But does it tells us anything about OAIPAC?

About as much as KT does.

I'm protesting against KT's protest against OWS.

It just wouldn't fit on my sign.

221 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:30:41pm

re: #220 b_sharp

We've gone all meta.

222 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:31:11pm

re: #211 Gus

The two talking cats

[Embedded content]Not what I mentioned but I think I almost died of cuteness.

Head just 'sploded.

223 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:31:55pm

The North Texas Boycott, Divest and Sanction of Israel Campaign
[Link: northtexasbds.org...]

33 followers...

224 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:32:58pm

re: #216 Kragar

Paul: Limbaugh apologized for personal gain

Well, way to state the obvious, RP.

225 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:33:04pm

re: #216 Kragar

Paul: Limbaugh apologized for personal gain

And he's pretty much right, Rush did this to save his own ass, not because he's particularly apologetic. If he truly felt that he'd wronged Fluke, he'd have made the apology either in person or on-air, not through his agent on his website, in the middle of the weekend.

Hell, even the few wingnuts I've spoken with all admit he did this to bring back the advertisers, but that's because they don't think he has anything to apologize for.

226 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:33:33pm

re: #216 Kragar

Paul: Limbaugh apologized for personal gain

And water is wet.

227 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:33:37pm

re: #220 b_sharp

About as much as KT does.

I'm protesting against KT's protest against OWS.

It just wouldn't fit on my sign.

Image: a97878_protest-sign_2-angry.jpg

228 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:33:37pm

re: #201 ProGunLiberal

It's like the frog from that one old Warner Bros. cartoon then?

Yep.

"One Froggy Evening" is a classic.

229 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:33:54pm

re: #223 jaunte

The North Texas Boycott, Divest and Sanction of Israel Campaign
[Link: northtexasbds.org...]

33 followers...

We're doomed! ;)

230 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:34:33pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

And he didn't really apologize. And he carefully chose his phrases to use those that Romney and Santorum used in defending him. He apologized for his choice of words, not the substance-- like Romney. He said that he was being absurd-- like Santorum.

231 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:35:39pm

re: #224 Tigger2005

Well, way to state the obvious, RP.

What is RP complaining about? Isn't the motivation behind RL's apology part of the Libertarian/Unfettered Capitalism ideal?

232 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:35:47pm

re: #230 Obdicut

And he didn't really apologize. And he carefully chose his phrases to use those that Romney and Santorum used in defending him. He apologized for his choice of words, not the substance-- like Romney. He said that he was being absurd-- like Santorum.

I read his statement to be that he thought the whole initial "incident" (i.e. Fluke's testimony) absurd, not the way he acted.

233 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:38:56pm

re: #230 Obdicut

And he didn't really apologize. And he carefully chose his phrases to use those that Romney and Santorum used in defending him. He apologized for his choice of words, not the substance-- like Romney. He said that he was being absurd-- like Santorum.

They never apologize for the substance because they don't feel in the slightest apologetic for the substance. They believe they have the right to say anything without consequence. Of course that isn't what free speech means in the slightest, but that's how they run.

234 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:39:04pm

re: #231 b_sharp

What is RP complaining about? Isn't the motivation behind RL's apology part of the Libertarian/Unfettered Capitalism ideal?

He probably thinks this "proof" that the libertarian belief that you can "shame" somebody into making amends works. All it proves is that rich folks have plenty of lawyers and agents well-versed in the art of hammering out non-apologies.

235 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:39:11pm

re: #230 Obdicut

And he didn't really apologize. And he carefully chose his phrases to use those that Romney and Santorum used in defending him. He apologized for his choice of words, not the substance-- like Romney. He said that he was being absurd-- like Santorum.

And he never said he misrepresented her testimony. He still told millions of people she was talking about her sex life and they still think thats the case.

236 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:40:14pm

OK. BBL.

237 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:41:14pm

Where is the transcript for Sandra's testimony in all of this? Shouldn't there be some quoting of her words as direct evidence.

Maybe that's just too elitist.

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:43:48pm

re: #237 b_sharp

I've seen links to pdf somewhere.

239 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:44:17pm

re: #238 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I've seen links to pdf somewhere.

Did Putin win?

240 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:44:48pm

re: #239 Varek Raith

Did Putin win?

Y U ASK ME??!?!/

241 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:45:27pm

re: #240 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Y U ASK ME??!?!/

Image: internet-memes-untitled17.jpg

242 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:46:22pm

re: #238 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I've seen links to pdf somewhere.

So it exists.

Why then do the wingnutbars not quote from it to lend credibility to their complaints?

Zagnuts.

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:46:32pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

244 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:48:57pm

re: #237 b_sharp

Where is the transcript for Sandra's testimony in all of this? Shouldn't there be some quoting of her words as direct evidence.

Maybe that's just too elitist.

That's the thing, Rush has spent three days having fits over her testimony, yet I've not heard him once actually play a snippet from it. We're just supposed to take him at his word that she was whining about the cost of having sex and wanting Big Daddy Government to pay it for her.

245 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:49:56pm

re: #240 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Y U ASK ME??!?!/

You're our man in the street.
Where the heck is your mic and cameraman?
Shouldn't you be on Skype live?

I have no idea, I'm just making shit up.

246 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:50:23pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

That's the thing, Rush has spent three days having fits over her testimony, yet I've not heard him once actually play a snippet from it. We're just supposed to take him at his word that she was whining about the cost of having sex and wanting Big Daddy Government to pay it for her.

How dare you doubt the great and powerful Rush!

247 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:51:15pm

OK, this endless mockery of me and my frogs has gone too far! Which one of you rapey/stabby leftists is responsible for this?

[Link: news.daylife.com...]
lol!

248 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:51:50pm

And Charles was right yesterday, Limbaugh apologies are about as a common as total solar eclipses:

Buzz Feed: Rush Limbaugh's Last Six Apologies

249 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:51:54pm

re: #246 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Sorry, we peeked behind the curtain.

Rush peaked behind the curtain.

250 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:55:37pm

I'll throw you guys a bone here: There was a sign supporting Hamas at the protests but this looks like a hoax.
Before Obama AIPAC speech, Pro-Hamas graffiti suggests violence
Most of it looks to be the same handwriting. Hezbollah is spelled "Hezballah". It could go either way but it doesn't seem right to me.

251 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:59:52pm

re: #205 b_sharp

Other than Code Pink and the Rachel Corrie Foundation (lolwut? A foundation?), I've never heard of any of those clowns.

252 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:00:54pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

A "bone"? To "us"?

253 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:01:16pm

re: #186 Tigger2005

Don't insult pigs. They're gentle, intelligent creatures, who happen to like rolling in the mud.

Giant slug, perhaps. But even slugs I suppose have their good qualities.

That's why I've taken to calling him Rush The Hutt. He's like their long lost cousin... eew!

254 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:02:56pm

re: #252 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

A "bone"? To "us"?

What do you mean by bone? Who is us?
/Obdicut's endless word games

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:03:49pm

Meh.

256 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:06:32pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

OK, this endless mockery of me and my frogs has gone too far! Which one of you rapey/stabby leftists is responsible for this?

[Link: news.daylife.com...]
lol!

You're the one you claimed their land and built a greenhouse on it without permission.

257 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:08:05pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I don't play endless wordgames. I normally ask you a straightforward question, and get a load of bull in return.

Like when I asked you if you thought the VP in charge of Policy at Komen had any effect on policy at Komen and you responded "I don't know."

That was a good one.

258 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:11:03pm

Didn't RSM star in a movie once. I think it was this one.

Image: The-Green-Slime-(1968)-picture-MOV_d7acb00b_b.jpg

259 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:12:15pm

I just read the transcript, and unless the source I used edited the transcript there was no implication that women are having sex so often they can't keep up with contraceptive costs. In fact the majority of what she said was about medical problems that can be mitigated by contraceptives and that the insurance is paid for by the students with no financial input from the University.

The RL right is so full of shit.

260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:13:24pm

Putin has already passed the official 64%.
The result of the massive falsifications, true, but there's no doubt that the plurality did vote for Putin. Which, of course, doesn't make the elections fair even if the voting process was fair.

261 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:13:25pm

Video proof that the Limbaugh apology was due to alien mind control!

:)

262 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:13:40pm

re: #259 b_sharp

I read somewhere that in a follow-up Q&A, she said that she had a (single) partner and used contraception. That was in response to a question, not part of her prepared testimony.

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:15:13pm

Bad times are a-comin'.

264 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:16:09pm

re: #259 b_sharp

I just read the transcript, and unless the source I used edited the transcript there was no implication that women are having sex so often they can't keep up with contraceptive costs. In fact the majority of what she said was about medical problems that can be mitigated by contraceptives and that the insurance is paid for by the students with no financial input from the University.

The RL right is so full of shit.

Yeah, but the university sets the rules and the rules say that God only wants faculty and staff taking contraception, that students can't have it.

At least, that's the wingnuts have told me.

265 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:16:42pm

re: #263 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

What do you think is going to happen? Cops turning a blind eye to nationalist violence?

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:19:14pm

re: #265 Obdicut

No, Pu is against nationalist violence or radical nationalism, he thinks (understands) it will tear the country apart. Although appointment of Rogozin is not a good sign.

I think there will be tightening of the screws. Maybe especially in the internet sphere.

267 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:20:20pm

re: #262 Obdicut

I read somewhere that in a follow-up Q&A, she said that she had a (single) partner and used contraception. That was in response to a question, not part of her prepared testimony.

I'm starting to think the RL right is upset college women are having sex more often than they are and because it's less painful than to admit their own relationships are poor they act the adolescent and call college women names.

To validate their reasoning they have to assume contraceptive equates to condoms and not oestrogen and progestogen.

268 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:22:54pm

Here is how it is done, despite the webcameras in almost each station:

It's disgusting that often polling stations are run by school personnel. All those teachers, directors, principals - they help to falsify the elections and the next day they teach children.

269 Atlas Fails  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:27:17pm

These right-wingers are a comical bunch. One of the conservatives on CNN's roundtable was complaining this morning that all the Sunday talk shows were talking about Rush Limbaugh rather than gas prices. Conservatives and Republicans took it upon themselves to defend religious institutions that thought they were above the law, lost the issue when Obama made his compromise, got desperate and started holding "religious freedom" sausagefests in Congress and making disgraceful and misogynistic comments on the air about Sandra Fluke, provoked a huge public backlash, and are now whining that everybody's talking about the meaningless issue that is contraception.

Also, what happened to DF and steve? I haven't been on in a while.

270 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:29:15pm

re: #269 Atlas Fails

These right-wingers are comical bunch. One of the conservatives on CNN's roundtable was complaining this morning that all the Sunday talk shows were talking about Rush Limbaugh rather than gas prices. Conservatives and Republicans took it upon themselves to defend religious institutions that thought they were above the law, lost the issue when Obama made his compromise, got desperate and started holding "religious freedom" sausagefests in Congress and making disgraceful and misogynistic comments on the air about Sandra Fluke, provoked a huge public backlash, and are now whining that everybody's talking about the meaningless issue that is contraception.

Also, what happened to DF and steve? I haven't been on in a while.

Dark's still here (as of last night, at least), Steve got on Charles' last nerve and got the stick a few weeks ago.

271 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:29:47pm

re: #267 b_sharp

I'm starting to think the RL right is upset college women are having sex more often than they are and because it's less painful than to admit their own relationships are poor they act the adolescent and call college women names.

To validate their reasoning they have to assume contraceptive equates to condoms and not oestrogen and progestogen.

What it really boils down to in a lot of ways is that Fluke, a smart and confident woman, had the audacity to bring facts into the mix. That she, under oath, laid out the reality that contraception is not "cheap," that many woman are forced to go without due to not having the resource to afford it, and that the medical consequences of doing so can rob women of the chance to ever have children in the first place.

She did, in one day, more damage to the Right's argument for "religious freedom" than weeks of arguments in the press, in Congress, and online. And so, for that, she had to be destroyed.

272 Atlas Fails  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:32:13pm

re: #270 talon_262

Dark's still here (as of last night, at least), Steve got on Charles' last nerve and got the stick a few weeks ago.

Too bad, but I think it was probably a matter of time for him; he seemed to often straddle the line. I suspect the Fluke/contraception controversy may have been involved?

273 erik_t  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:33:26pm

No, he was gone well before that.

274 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:33:43pm

re: #272 Atlas Fails

Too bad, but I think it was probably a matter of time for him; he seemed to often straddle the line. I suspect the Fluke/contraception controversy may have been involved?

No, Steve got the stick wayyy before all this stuff; it was right after New Year's.

275 allegro  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:35:48pm

re: #267 b_sharp

I'm starting to think the RL right is upset college women are having sex more often than they are and because it's less painful than to admit their own relationships are poor they act the adolescent and call college women names.

To validate their reasoning they have to assume contraceptive equates to condoms and not oestrogen and progestogen.

Quite a few on the RL right are upset that women are in college. Period. That women are using birth control, whether in college or not, is simply another sign of the end of civilization... as they know it. I have always been pleased to help make that happen. ;)

276 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:36:01pm

About Russian fascination with LJ:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

277 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:36:21pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

What it really boils down to in a lot of ways is that Fluke, a smart and confident woman, had the audacity to bring facts into the mix. That she, under oath, laid out the reality that contraception is not "cheap," that many woman are forced to go without due to not having the resource to afford it, and that the medical consequences of doing so can rob women of the chance to ever have children in the first place.

She did, in one day, more damage to the Right's argument for "religious freedom" than weeks of arguments in the press, in Congress, and online. And so, for that, she had to be destroyed.

This.

And, not just destroyed, but Fluke had to be completely and utterly annihilated and discredited (using RWNJ "logic"), because she dared to say things that threatened to bring their worldview crashing down around their ears.

278 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:38:12pm

I've just paged the full transcript of Sandra Fluke's testimony and bolded what I felt were the must-read parts. Suggest you read the whole thing, because it's the only way one can truly appreciate just how vicious and dishonest the entire right-wing is.

And gutless wonder "not the language I would have used" Mitt is an unprincipled, sniveling little shit.

279 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:39:24pm

re: #277 talon_262

This.

And, not just destroyed, but Fluke had to be completely and utterly annihilated and discredited (using RWNJ "logic"), because she dared to say things that threaten to bring their worldview crashing down around their ears.

Yep, which is why "slut" is now being accompanied by "liar" and "fraud," because just defacing her is not enough, they have to obliterate her testimony in its entirety. Hence wingnuts trying to find "proof" that you can't rack up $1000 annually in contraception costs, the "secret" that she was an activist, and even the "outrage" over her age (she's 30, not 23, what a liar!).

The only thing not being screamed now is "Burn the witch!"

280 allegro  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:40:18pm

re: #277 talon_262

This.

And, not just destroyed, but Fluke had to be completely and utterly annihilated and discredited (using RWNJ "logic"), because she dared to say things that threaten to bring their worldview crashing down around their ears.

The good news in this is that, like with the Komen efforts to damage Planned Parenthood, there is a deafening backlash that is making the bullies and scolds back off. I like.

281 zora  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:43:22pm

re: #278 Interesting Times

I've just paged the full transcript of Sandra Fluke's testimony and bolded what I felt were the must-read parts. Suggest you read the whole thing, because it's the only way one can truly appreciate just how vicious and dishonest the entire right-wing is.

And gutless wonder "not the language I would have used" Mitt is an unprincipled, sniveling little shit.

"The president has failed the Arab Spring, it’s become the Arab Winter in too many respects," Romney said. "It's pretty straight forward in my view. If Barack Obama gets re-elected, Iran will have a nuclear weapon and the world will change if that’s the case."

romney-if-obama-elected-iran-will-have-a-nuclear-weapon--20120304

282 zora  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:44:03pm

re: #281 zora

[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]

283 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:45:06pm

re: #280 allegro

The good news in this is that, like with the Komen efforts to damage Planned Parenthood, there is a deafening backlash that is making the bullies and scolds back off. I like.

I think that the right-wing forgets that women are actually a majority. It's been easy for them to beat up on women over abortion access because, sadly, abortion is a hushed, not-talked about thing that many women object to on religious grounds and more just don't want to talk about.

But stuff like contraception-- basic, common sense stuff, that 95% of women know and use-- that's a really stupid fight to pick with the majority of the country.

284 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:48:57pm

re: #70 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

That's a known neo-Nazi image too, the upper part. I forgot the name of the "artist".

Ben Garrison, whose name is on the cartoon, claims it was Photoshopped by neo-nazis and is NOT the original image he created.

285 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:51:34pm

re: #284 Learned Mother of Zion

Yeah, we've already found this.

286 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:51:43pm

re: #283 Obdicut

I think that the right-wing forgets that women are actually a majority. It's been easy for them to beat up on women over abortion access because, sadly, abortion is a hushed, not-talked about thing that many women object to on religious grounds and more just don't want to talk about.

But stuff like contraception-- basic, common sense stuff, that 95% of women know and use-- that's a really stupid fight to pick with the majority of the country.

That's why they tried so hard to argue it on the grounds of "religious freedom," but that fell apart when it started to become obvious that many within the party ranks really believe that banning contraception would be a good thing. And once the issue became contraception and not religion, then it was all downhill from there.

287 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:51:53pm

re: #284 Learned Mother of Zion

Ben Garrison, whose name is on the cartoon, claims it was Photoshopped by neo-nazis and is NOT the original image he created.

Though it's hard to feel too-too bad for him, given that his images about the 'international banking cartel' obviously play into age-old anti-semitic conspiracy theories. But I can believe he's honestly not an anti-semite himself.

288 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:00:41pm

re: #243 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

Less than encouraging.

289 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:05:10pm

re: #274 talon_262

No, Steve got the stick wayyy before all this stuff; it was right after New Year's.

Sorry to see he is gone..We had a lot in common in music tastes..
It was kind of funny how many things he had to walk back because of the sharpness of his comments to other lizards. Not the disagreement but the attack and vitriol upon someone.. Sometimes I'd laugh just knowing he was just drunk and had no inner moderation to his thoughts...
I never read the comment that finally brought the big stick down upon his head...But after hundreds of deleted comments and warnings I'll bet it was a doozy. Remember folks..Lizards are people to and need to be treated with respect. ( unless they piss you lol)

290 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:07:49pm

re: #289 HoosierHoops

My opinion? The Walter was talking to Steve, and sent him down the flounce path. The timing was so convenient.

I bet Steve misses this blog though. Ya, the music was great.

291 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:10:07pm
So “slut” joins the “n-word” on the List of Forbidden Terms, and we are now at a loss for any way to describe Meghan McCain.

You're an ignorant slut, Robert.

Actually, I think Robert is just afraid Meghan's 76 year old father might beat him to a pulp with his partially paralyzed arms.

292 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:15:07pm

re: #290 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

My opinion? The Walter was talking to Steve, and sent him down the flounce path. The timing was so convenient.

I bet Steve misses this blog though. Ya, the music was great.

I know they emailed and spoke to each other...I can't see anyone having an effect on Steve..He Marched to his own drummer..But..Maybe he is now blogging with crankypants at the village of the damned...It really would be perfect for them...
/How are things going with you?

293 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:19:46pm

re: #292 HoosierHoops

I know they emailed and spoke to each other...I can't see anyone having an effect on Steve..He Marched to his own drummer..But..Maybe he is now blogging with crankypants at the village of the damned...It really would be perfect for them...
/How are things going with you?

Good Hoops!! Getting back to the boring status quo. I had an exciting year.

I'm not sure if the status quo is filling my needs, but the $ is!

Love to ya!

294 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:26:22pm

re: #293 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Good Hoops!! Getting back to the boring status quo. I had an exciting year.

I'm not sure if the status quo is filling my needs, but the $ is!

Love to ya!

Awesome! Can't wait till March Madness..Where should pick Florida in my bracket? They are a mystery to me.. I'll be doing research on the teams soon.
Had a great time last night..Dinner, Dancing and time alone.. I really really like her Stanley..I think my schedule is going to fill up..

295 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:40:37pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

Awesome! Can't wait till March Madness..Where should pick Florida in my bracket? They are a mystery to me.. I'll be doing research on the teams soon.
Had a great time last night..Dinner, Dancing and time alone.. I really really like her Stanley..I think my schedule is going to fill up..

I didn't want to ask, but YAY, you told. Good on ya. Enjoy every freaking moment. The beginning is so intense and sweet. Take it all in.

Florida? I'll be happy with a seed, then we can really show what (?) we have.
If we can luck to the final four, my season is perfect.

296 labman57  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:15:32pm

Most conservatives are certainly smart enough to realize that posting mean-spirited and petty racist ... or homophobic ... or misogynistic comments online will eventually come back to bite them in the ass. (Yes, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt regarding their innate intelligence ...)

Alas, they cannot help themselves -- uttering and posting base, bellicose blather is in their nature.


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