Breitbart.com Caught Again: Deceptively Editing a Video

Yet another dishonest editing job from the heirs of Breitbart
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In yet another humiliating attempt to catch the Obama campaign in a hidden video conspiratorial outrageous outrage, the heirs of Andrew at breitbart.com have creatively edited a video of a lecture by Harvard Law School Prof. Charles J. Ogletree, Jr., to make it look like he was admitting hiding a supposed damning bit of “evidence:” that Barack Obama was a closer friend to Prof. Derrick Bell than they wanted known.

Unfortunately for the reactionaries at breitbart.com, they had to cut out some important context to make it look that way.

[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

Footage of Barack Obama praising and hugging Professor Derrick Bell. It was spliced and diced by the media to avoid showing just how close Obama was to Bell. More than that, a close associate of the Obama campaign, Harvard Law School’s Professor Charles Ogletree, admitted on our exclusive tape, ‘We hid this throughout the 2008 campaign. I don’t care if they find it now.

— Ben Shapiro

[Emphasis mine]

Here is a short video showing that Prof. Ogletree wasn’t talking about the Obama campaign hiding that portion of the video; in reality, he was completing a humorous jab at some of his colleagues who also attended the same 1991 gathering as Obama and Bell.

Youtube Video

Here is a link to the entire lecture.

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610 comments
1 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:04:38pm

The "hid it" tape has been the last hope of the Freepers currently discussing the non-bombshell. Some poor sod is trying to talk them off it, and getting the "troll" treatment. Self-delusion raised to Olympic heights.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:08:13pm

Great article, b-sharp!

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:08:42pm

I cannot see the videos tho.

4 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:09:25pm

re: #3 Creeping Diversity

I cannot see the videos tho.

Ditto on that. Otherwise I recommended this post.

5 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:10:34pm

Where did my videos go?

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:10:38pm

re: #4 Gus

Ditto on that. Otherwise I recommended this post.

Oh, good, it's not just me.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:10:54pm

I see the URLs in the source code:

E.g.:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

8 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:12:51pm

Fixed the videos - I'll check out why they weren't showing. Great post.

9 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:14:22pm

Thanks Charles.

10 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:16:23pm

I can see the vids in preview and I can see them when in the LGF pages but I can't see them here.

11 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:31:08pm

Charles, my vids are wmv format, should they be converted to mpegs?

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:37:59pm

OK, everything should be fine now if you reload the page.

13 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:42:20pm

Thanks Charles. What was the problem?

I notice it took you a lot less time to fix the problem than it's taking our friends at Breitbart.com to fix theirs.

14 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:43:06pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

OK, everything should be fine now if you reload the page.

Yep. Works here now.

15 JeffM70  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:47:19pm

I'm sure there'll be a full retraction forthcoming.

16 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:50:12pm

Bitty-barts lying again? I'm shocked.

Ok, I'm not really: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

PS. I'm a wizard, that's how I knew. Honest.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:56:29pm

re: #13 Tundra Boy

BTW, you might wish to add the transcript of his joke for those who can't watch the vid.

18 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:58:00pm

re: #17 Creeping Diversity

BTW, you might wish to add the transcript of his joke for those who can't watch the vid.

That's a good idea.

19 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:22:57pm

Promoted!

Post the transcript in a comment and I'll add it.

20 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:24:12pm

The tone of his voice and the laughter about hiding it clearly showed to any non-delusional person that it was a joke.

I noticed that the Pollack dude didn't even really try to press it in that interview where he got trounced. I think that was wise.

21 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:24:56pm

This is Andrew Breitbart's legacy.

22 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:25:50pm
Notice: he was taking a jab at colleagues and himself for not wanting to admit to aging as much as they have since 1991.

Great article. Of course the wingnuts fact-retardant minds have already caught on fire and won't be changed one jot by this or anything else of a factual nature pertaining to the matter.

23 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:26:38pm

re: #21 Meh.

This is Andrew Breitbart's legacy.

Yep, creating non-troversies through selected editing of video footage. Not that he was the first to think up the technique, just the first to be so prolific with it.

24 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:31:24pm

Smear merchants; unethical; frauds; unprofessional; Breitbart.com; etc.

25 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:32:41pm

re: #22 Jimmah

Great article. Of course the wingnuts fact-retardant minds have already caught on fire and won't be changed one jot by this or anything else of a factual nature pertaining to the matter.

Well no.
When your running round with your head on fire, its best to deal with the priorities.

26 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:33:25pm

I like the 'bombshell' that Obama 'forced' his students to read Bell.

If you're going to teach law as it applies to civil rights, you're going to be teaching from some Bell. He was a top-flight legal scholar, with a lifetime of accomplishment in the field. And 'forced' means it was put on the required reading list, but it sounds like Obama was holding the book in front of their faces and making them flip pages with their tongues.

27 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:33:33pm

Presnit Rombly Sav Urth With Majik Underwhere

we am better now

28 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:35:45pm

Where's the whitey tape?

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:36:25pm

re: #28 Obdicut

Where's the whitey tape?

Bo eated it.

30 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:37:20pm

shit. busted.

Image: PV8d4.jpg

31 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:37:39pm

And to think, had he been alive, Andy might have been able to actually turn this into a short-lived fiasco, using interviews to fan the flames. Instead, without him around, it's fallen flat and likely will be the butt of jokes for days to come.

32 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:40:55pm

I thought the principle was supposed to be to show some respect for the dead (Breitbart). How come his heirs don't know that and lie (continue) in his name?

33 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:41:03pm

Transcript:

Uh, and and this is you can see this is 1990 so this is 21 years ago.
None of these people look like this today [laughter] and I know they're going to be afraid or mad that I found this but it's a good example
[quiet laughter]
Let me see if I can get this this uh to work
Now what makes this so interesting when you think about it uh it it's uh
Of ourse we hid this throughout the 2008 campaign so do..[laughter] ha ha
Now th. I don't care if they find it now but uh right
Because it just told you that his growth had been uh astronomical in terms of his sense about race ..

34 nines09  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:41:45pm

re: #21 Meh.

This is Andrew Breitbart's legacy.

Yes it is. Bad yellow journalism with blindingly stupid production.

35 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:42:19pm

re: #26 Obdicut

I like the 'bombshell' that Obama 'forced' his students to read Bell.

If you're going to teach law as it applies to civil rights, you're going to be teaching from some Bell. He was a top-flight legal scholar, with a lifetime of accomplishment in the field. And 'forced' means it was put on the required reading list, but it sounds like Obama was holding the book in front of their faces and making them flip pages with their tongues.

You should do an expose of Pollack's bullshit on CRT.

36 jaunte  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:47:21pm

re: #32 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I thought the principle was supposed to be to show some respect for the dead (Breitbart). How come his heirs don't know that and lie (continue) in his name?

They're trying to follow in his footsteps, but they don't have the same crazy energy.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:48:35pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

shit. busted.

Image: PV8d4.jpg

That's it, Obama is tainted forever...

///

38 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:48:40pm

re: #35 Tundra Boy

I'm too tired tonight. I'll maybe throw something together tomorrow, but my brother is coming into town and there will be some whooping it up going on at a sake bar, so I'm more likely to do an expose of critical bourbon theory.

39 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:49:14pm

re: #37 Creeping Diversity

Obams! That's actually a cute nickname for him. It's like baby Obama.

40 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:50:42pm

re: #38 Obdicut

I'm too tired tonight. I'll maybe throw something together tomorrow, but my brother is coming into town and there will be some whooping it up going on at a sake bar, so I'm more likely to do an expose of critical bourbon theory.

I'm too tired too and I have to work tomorrow. I'd do it Sat. but I expect that will end up being after the fact.

41 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:50:58pm

Had a great experience today. My company hosted a news maker luncheon and the guest was Walter Isaacson, the author of the Steve Jobs biography and former head of Time Magazine and CNN. He had some great stories about Jobs and I got to ask him a question about politics. There were probably 200 people at the luncheon, but when he answered my question, he maintained eye contact with me for 2-3 minutes while he shared his thoughts. I have met many famous people in my life (mainly athletes and journalists), but Isaacson truly made an impression on me. The man has "gravitas" like few I have ever met.

42 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:52:37pm

re: #41 _RememberTonyC

Thumbs (and dings) up!!

43 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:53:28pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

Thumbs (and dings) up!!

Thanks bro

44 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:54:27pm

re: #41 _RememberTonyC

Had a great experience today. My company hosted a news maker luncheon and the guest was Walter Isaacson, the author of the Steve Jobs biography and former head of Time Magazine and CNN. He had some great stories about Jobs and I got to ask him a question about politics. There were probably 200 people at the luncheon, but when he answered my question, he maintained eye contact with me for 2-3 minutes while he shared his thoughts. I have met many famous people in my life (mainly athletes and journalists), but Isaacson truly made an impression on me. The man has "gravitas" like few I have ever met.

Excellent!!! What was the Q?

45 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:54:44pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Excellent!!! What was the Q?

And the A?

46 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:55:16pm

re: #32 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I thought the principle was supposed to be to show some respect for the dead (Breitbart). How come his heirs don't know that and lie (continue) in his name?

They're showing respect for the dead by lying about Derrick Bell, who died last October.

Cognitive dissonance, they haz it.

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:58:12pm

re: #13 Tundra Boy

Thanks Charles. What was the problem?

I notice it took you a lot less time to fix the problem than it's taking our friends at Breitbart.com to fix theirs.

Just a little obscure bug in the Javascript code, introduced with a recent change.

48 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:58:33pm

re: #41 _RememberTonyC

Awesome. I'd love to meet him. His book on Steve Jobs is amazing.

49 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:59:40pm

re: #28 Obdicut

Where's the whitey tape?

Try watching reruns of the Jeffersons. I swear that's the last time a black person in America said "whitey".

50 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:00:51pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

And the A?

I told him the GOP presidential campaign was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen with fratricide, cannibalism, and a seriously anti female agenda embraced by the base. I said that with the GOP practically writing Obama's campaign ads for him, not to mention alienating 50% of potential voters, would he set an "over/under" line for the number of states or electoral votes that Obama will win. He addressed the contraception issue in his answer and also decried the fact that the campaign has seemingly had divisiveness as a goal. He said the GOP should have stuck to the economy and because it hasn't, he expects an Obama victory where he wins approximately 65% of the states and electoral votes.

51 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:01:31pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Just a little obscure bug in the Javascript code, introduced with a recent change.

A humorous quote I posted recently, referencing "The most interesting man in the world":

I don't often test my code, but when I do, I do it in production

;=)

52 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:02:18pm
53 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:02:34pm

re: #49 moderatelyradicalliberal

Try watching reruns of the Jeffersons. I swear that's the last time a black person in America said "whitey".

I can remember when "honkey" broke into the language. Being from Pittsburgh, I wondered what Stokely had against Hungarians.

54 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:03:21pm

re: #28 Obdicut

Where's the whitey tape?

55 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:03:44pm

re: #51 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

A humorous quote I posted recently, referencing "The most famous man in the world":

;=)

No matter how you try to stomp 'em all before pushing the code, some still manage to get out there.

56 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:04:01pm

re: #50 _RememberTonyC

Awesome. Good on you.

57 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:04:37pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

I can remember when "honkey" broke into the language. Being from Pittsburgh, I wondered what Stokely had against Hungarians.

I've never understood where that term came from and have yet to have anyone else be able to tell me. Of course I don't think I've heard that word be used since the Jeffersons were on TV either. I still here the term 'cracker" but it's almost always white people saying it other white people (It's Texas).

58 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:05:56pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

No matter how you try to stomp 'em all before pushing the code, some still manage to get out there.

So says Murphy, but it's a good thing you are your own boss.

59 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:06:57pm

re: #51 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

A humorous quote I posted recently, referencing "The most famous man in the world":

;=)

Release it as is and let your customers beta test for you!
/Game publishers

60 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:07:48pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Release it as is and let your customers beta test for you!
/Game publishers

That's pretty much all the major software publishers these days. Hell, Microsoft's been working under that business model for decades.

61 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:08:12pm

Haha:

Very Stupid People

You could almost feel Soledad O’Brien want to choke someone out, and it really is amazing how Joel Pollack and those like him were drawn to Breitbart. It’s like wingnuts exude some kind of paranoid pheremone that attract each other.

62 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:08:20pm

Breitbart and co deceptively editing shit? You don't say.

63 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:08:59pm

OT-If you guys haven't heard Arizona has just upped the stakes in the War on Women. The Arizona state senate just passed a bill allowing doctors to not give their patient's prenatal information that may lead them to have an abortion.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

It’s called a “wrongful birth” bill and it’s all about preventing women from having an abortion, even if it kills them. The Arizona Senate passed a bill this week that gives doctors a free pass to not inform pregnant women of prenatal problems because such information could lead to an abortion.

In other words, doctors can intentionally keep critical health information from pregnant women and can’t be sued for it. According to the Arizona Capitol Times, “the bill’s sponsor is Republican Nancy Barto of Phoenix. She says allowing the medical malpractice lawsuits endorses the idea that if a child is born with a disability, someone is to blame.” So Republicans are banning lawsuits against doctors who keep information from pregnant women so as to prevent them from choosing to have an abortion.

I hate these people with the white hot heat of a 1000 burning suns.

64 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:09:34pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

OT-If you guys haven't heard Arizona has just upped the stakes in the War on Women. The Arizona state senate just passed a bill allowing doctors to not give their patient's prenatal information that may lead them to have an abortion.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

I hate these people with the white hot heat of a 1000 burning suns.

What.
The.
Fuck.

65 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:10:38pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

That's pretty much all the major software publishers these days. Hell, Microsoft's been working under that business model for decades.

Unpossible!
IE 6 FOREVER!!
:P

66 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:11:23pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

re: #64 Varek Raith

If I'm not mistaken, that is against the Hippocratic Oath.

Holy Shit. I have to hope this is struck down.

67 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:11:29pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

I've never understood where that term came from and have yet to have anyone else be able to tell me. Of course I don't think I've heard that word be used since the Jeffersons were on TV either. I still here the term 'cracker" but it's almost always white people saying it other white people (It's Texas).

It might have been used for years on the street, but I never saw it printed until about 1965. Might hear 'cracker' or more often 'redneck' here in AL, but again that's more white on white, urban-rural. "Cracker" is tricky here, because it's a non-pejorative term used by old Floridians in the panhandle, even finding its way into academic talk (Cracker Architectural Style).

68 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:11:44pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

What.
The.
Fuck.

Seriously, I don't know what it will take for women to wake up to this shit, be pissed off and vote against it. I'd crawl over broken glass for a chance to vote these bastards out from the local all the way up the the national level. The GOP can't be allowed to have complete control of government, it's just too dangerous.

69 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:14:08pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

OT-If you guys haven't heard Arizona has just upped the stakes in the War on Women. The Arizona state senate just passed a bill allowing doctors to not give their patient's prenatal information that may lead them to have an abortion.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

I hate these people with the white hot heat of a 1000 burning suns.

And, predictably, the AMA is nowhere to be found. Spineless fuckers.

70 allegro  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:15:35pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

OT-If you guys haven't heard Arizona has just upped the stakes in the War on Women. The Arizona state senate just passed a bill allowing doctors to not give their patient's prenatal information that may lead them to have an abortion.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

I hate these people with the white hot heat of a 1000 burning suns.

Angie's List needs a new category: "ObGyns in AZ" where women can rate doctors on truth telling or men can report their wives/girlfriends pregnancy survival rates.

This is unreal. So much for the Hippocratic Oath.

71 allegro  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:19:55pm

This is reminding me yet again of a cartoon I saw the other day that pointed out that corporations are people, zygotes are people, but women? Not so much. Christ in a lost of way I think things were better for us back in the 60s and 70s. At least we were acknowledged as people... second class but people still.

72 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:20:13pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

And, predictably, the AMA is nowhere to be found. Spineless fuckers.

Only 3 of 13 in AMA Senior Management are women:

James L. Madara, MD, Chief Executive Officer & Executive Vice President

Bernard L. Hengesbaugh, Chief Operating Officer

Howard C. Bauchner, MD, Senior Vice President & Editor-in-Chief, Scientific Publications

Jon Burkhart, Vice President, Executive Offices & Chief of Staff

Robert W. Davis, Senior Vice President, Human Resources & Corporate Services

Richard A. Deem, Senior Vice President, Advocacy

Jon Ekdahl, JD, General Counsel

Denise M. Hagerty, Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Elizabeth A. Jones, Senior Vice President & Publisher, Periodic Publications

Robert A. Musacchio, PhD, Senior Vice President, Business Services

Kenneth J. Sharigian, PhD, Senior Vice President, Development & Integration

Modena Wilson, MD, MPH, Senior Vice President, Professional Standards

Rodrigo A. Sierra, Senior Vice President, Chief Communication & Marketing Officer

Smoking is good for you! -- AMA

73 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:20:32pm

re: #70 allegro

Angie's List needs a new category: "ObGyns in AZ" where women can rate doctors on truth telling or husbands can report their wives/girlfriends pregnancy survival rates.

This is unreal. So much for the Hippocratic Oath.

I don't think the H-Oath is used much anymore.

74 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:20:48pm

re: #70 allegro

This is basically the government there legalizing an already-existing abuse of the doctor-patient relationship. There already are pro-life ObGyns-- not a ton, but some-- who will purposefully hide this information from patients. Ron Paul is an ObGyn and radical pro-lifer, for example.

This is part of what the GOP attempts to enforce delays and waiting periods is about-- to get women past the point where an abortion would be relatively easily, and make it more traumatic, make the decisions harder, and give those doctors who do abuse the relationship more cover.

75 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:21:16pm

re: #72 Gus

Only 3 of 13 in AMA Senior Management are women:

Smoking is good for you! -- AMA

Oh. And those 3 women? They're in the bottom half of the management "pyramid".

76 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:21:24pm

re: #73 Tundra Boy

Nope. Way out of date.

77 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:21:47pm

re: #71 allegro

This is reminding me yet again of a cartoon I saw the other day that pointed out that corporations are people, zygotes are people, but women? Not so much. Christ in a lost of way I think things were better for us back in the 60s and 70s. At least we were acknowledged as people... second class but people still.

We could never have stopped the Viet Nam war without women running the mimeographs.

78 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:22:05pm

re: #75 Gus

The AMA is a classically 'conservative' institution, very slow to change, very slow to respond to needs, and very much focused on the rights and protection of doctors, not of patients.

79 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:24:08pm

re: #76 Obdicut

I am curious.

80 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:24:40pm

re: #79 ProGunLiberal

I am curious.

Blue or Yellow?

81 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:25:12pm

re: #79 ProGunLiberal

I am curious.

I am sleepy but a little revved up from weeks of constant work.

82 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:25:47pm

I am crepuscular.

83 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:27:33pm

re: #82 Obdicut

I am crepuscular.

Antibiotics can help clear that up :)

84 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:27:40pm

Georgia state senators walk out to protest ‘war on women’

All of the female Democratic state senators walked out of the Georgia Senate on Wednesday to protest bills put forward by the Republican male majority.

The demonstration took place after Republicans passed two bills that opponents have said are part of the GOP’s “war on women.” The only female Republican senator did not take part in the protest.

State Senate Bill 438, passed by a vote of 33-18, prevents state health plans from paying for abortions. The measure makes no exception even in cases of rape and incest...

85 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:29:18pm

re: #70 allegro

This is unreal. So much for the Hippocratic Oath.

"First, do no harm" is going to have to be changed to "First, give no information."

86 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:30:11pm

Well gee willikers. I wonder why people are angry? I wonder why people are angry about Republicans and Rush Limbaugh?

87 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:31:25pm

re: #85 BongCrodny

A lot of pro-life doctors use the 'do no harm' doctrine to defend their not doing abortions.

The Hippocratic Oath is massively out of date an inapplicable to modern medicine. Very few places use even an updated version of it. It's really not that relevant to the practice of medicine.

The field of medical ethics is a huge one. Standards of ethics are upheld by professional license boards. Most hospitals have an ethics committee.

88 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:32:03pm

re: #86 Gus

Well gee willikers. I wonder why people are angry? I wonder why people are angry about Republicans and Rush Limbaugh?

89 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:33:38pm

Rachel just showed a clip of a 55 year old marine who refused to show his ID in TN and couldn't vote. He did it as a protest. I don't care if he's a Republican or Democrat, the man's a damn hero.

90 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:38:34pm

This must be the Republican Party's jobs program. Their plan is to have women back in the home "barefoot and pregnant" which would result in numerous job openings for men.

//

91 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:38:45pm

Here's proof that a broken clock is sometimes right (I don't want to say as often as twice a day).

Pot initiative effort dropped as Pat Robertson backs legalization

The California activists' decision comes as the legalization movement won a new advocate: Pat Robertson.

“I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol,” Robertson told the New York Times on Wednesday. “I’ve never used marijuana and I don’t intend to, but it’s just one of those things that I think: This war on drugs just hasn’t succeeded.”

92 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:38:47pm

re: #78 Obdicut

The AMA is a classically 'conservative' institution, very slow to change, very slow to respond to needs, and very much focused on the rights and protection of doctors, not of patients.

It's the Vatican for doctors.

93 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:40:50pm

re: #86 Gus

Well gee willikers. I wonder why people are angry? I wonder why people are angry about Republicans and Rush Limbaugh?

I've got more and more dittoheads asking me why anybody cares about what he said or the whole issue of contraception when there's "bigger issues" not getting any playtime. Usually when people start to whine like that, it's a sign that they're feeling increasingly depressed about their chances of coming out on top and want to change the subject to one they think they can take the high ground on.

The popular one of late has been gas prices, as in "Why isn't Obama providing us with cheap gas!"

94 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:42:06pm

re: #91 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Here's proof that a broken clock is sometimes right (I don't want to say as often as twice a day).

Pot initiative effort dropped as Pat Robertson backs legalization

It's because Pat can't find any Biblical reason to be upset about pot.

95 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:42:28pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

I've got more and more dittoheads asking me why anybody cares about what he said or the whole issue of contraception when there's "bigger issues" not getting any playtime. Usually when people start to whine like that, it's a sign that they're feeling increasingly depressed about their chances of coming out on top and want to change the subject to one they think they can take the high ground on.

The popular one of late has been gas prices, as in "Why isn't Obama providing us with cheap gas!"

Crazy guess here, but are these people also calling for harsher language and/or war with Iran?

96 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:43:20pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

I've got more and more dittoheads asking me why anybody cares about what he said or the whole issue of contraception when there's "bigger issues" not getting any playtime. Usually when people start to whine like that, it's a sign that they're feeling increasingly depressed about their chances of coming out on top and want to change the subject to one they think they can take the high ground on.

The popular one of late has been gas prices, as in "Why isn't Obama providing us with cheap gas!"

Yeah. Back in 2008 when gasoline prices hit record levels it was "patriotic" to accept the reality. Anyone that blamed Bush was summarily called a "traitor". This of course was the tactic of the right for 8 long years.

97 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:44:18pm

re: #95 Meh.

Crazy guess here, but are these people also calling for harsher language and/or war with Iran?

They've been doing that nonstop, you'd hardly notice the difference. But even on that front, Iran's currently got them a bit flummoxed by increasing its cooperation with the IAEA and negotiating the inspection of facilities believed necessary to nuclear weapon construction. They're taking solace in rumors that Iran's cleaning up its act behind the scenes, all of it fueled by speculation and "anonymous sources."

98 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:44:33pm

re: #96 Gus

Yeah. Back in 2008 when gasoline prices hit record levels it was "patriotic" to accept the reality. Anyone that blamed Bush was summarily called a "traitor". This of course was the tactic of the right for 8 long years.

Only Democrat presidents can do anything about gas prices.

SO WHY WON'T HE???

99 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:44:54pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

I can remember when "honkey" broke into the language. Being from Pittsburgh, I wondered what Stokely had against Hungarians.

Obliquely related tangent:

My dad lived the first ~decade or so of his life in Missouri, raised by his mother and grandmother. For possibly relevant context, he was born in 1928, and his mother was born in 1904. As far back as I can remember, my dad used to throw around the word "honyock" (rhymes with "fawn block"). As far as I could tell, the term was slightly derisive, but there wasn't anything especially malicious about it. From context, I inferred that a "honyock" was a word applied to someone behaving foolishly as a matter of habit, thereby causing annoyance. For example, bad drivers might be called honyocks. In modern internet parlance, someone who could be relied upon to habitually derpty derpa derp da derpy doo would probably be considered a honyock.

Until I was about ~32 years old, I had never heard that word used by anyone other than my dad, and I fully believed he invented it. Well, lo and behold I started a new job one day, and after a while I overheard the boss playfully referring to some of the employees as "honyocks"! Long story shorter, I eventually told him a skeletal version of the above, and expressed my astonishment that there was another person who knew the Secret Word.

According to this guy, who was also from Missouri, "honyock" is a derogatory term for someone of Hungarian descent, along the lines of "polack". I know full well that my dad was not carrying around a weird hatred of Hungarians, so this is clearly something he picked up from his ancestry, who were of nebulous Central European descent. I doubt that he ever had the slightest idea of the (apparently) bigoted connotation.

100 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:45:54pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

It's because Pat can't find any Biblical reason to be upset about pot.

He got confused by that whole burning bush thing ....

101 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:48:16pm

re: #96 Gus

Yeah. Back in 2008 when gasoline prices hit record levels it was "patriotic" to accept the reality. Anyone that blamed Bush was summarily called a "traitor". This of course was the tactic of the right for 8 long years.

Nah, back in '08, they made the same whines they're doing now: That Democrats are preventing energy companies (read: fossil fuels) from exploiting huge reserves of domestic energy, driving up costs to support "their agenda." That, had Bush had his way, we'd be swimming in oil and gas prices would be at or lower than what they'd been when he came into office.

102 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:51:05pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Nah, back in '08, they made the same whines they're doing now: That Democrats are preventing energy companies (read: fossil fuels) from exploiting huge reserves of domestic energy, driving up costs to support "their agenda." That, had Bush had his way, we'd be swimming in oil and gas prices would be at or lower than what they'd been when he came into office.

Drill baby drill. UGH.

103 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:51:44pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Nah, back in '08, they made the same whines they're doing now: That Democrats are preventing energy companies (read: fossil fuels) from exploiting huge reserves of domestic energy, driving up costs to support "their agenda." That, had Bush had his way, we'd be swimming in oil and gas prices would be at or lower than what they'd been when he came into office.

And the long already forgotten BP spill occurred. Long forgotten.

104 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:56:00pm

Breitbart.com Caught Again: Deceptively Editing a Video

receptively eating an oreo?

105 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:56:40pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

And the long already forgotten BP spill occurred. Long forgotten.

Yeah, noticed a headline earlier today that stated that all the companies that were supposedly "hurt" by the moratorium have since picked up and carried on. At the same time, drilling permits, land leases, and all other means for searching, drilling, and transporting oil are up.

Oil production's up and usage is down, but even the few Republicans who admit such do so while asserting that it's "in spite of" Obama. Like all things that's happened during his watch, they refuse to give him any form of credit.

106 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:57:52pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

And the long already forgotten BP spill occurred. Long forgotten.

Forgotten already?

107 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:58:11pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Drill baby drill. UGH.

Derp baby derp! ;)

108 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:59:43pm

re: #106 Tundra Boy

Forgotten already?

By the GOP.

109 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:00:34pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

And the long already forgotten BP spill occurred. Long forgotten.

What spill?

110 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:03:47pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

And the long already forgotten BP spill occurred. Long forgotten.

Oil is plant food! -- GOP

111 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:05:48pm

Sen. Jim Inhofe featured in viral video about indicted African guerrilla leader Joseph Kony

WASHINGTON — Sen. Jim Inhofe, who met a young filmmaker in Uganda in 2005 while investigating the brutality of a militant leader named Joseph Kony, said Thursday he hopes a new video by that same director leads to Kony's capture or killing.

Inhofe, R-Tulsa, is featured prominently in the video “Kony 2012,” which has gone viral on the Internet as viewers share and promote it on social networking sites. By Thursday afternoon, more than 39 million people had viewed it on YouTube, just three days after it was posted.

Inhofe said it is an extension of the movement by young people that helped him get legislation approved two years ago to provide U.S. military advisers to central Africa to train regional armies to track down Kony...

112 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:07:24pm

I have a Charles Ogletree story that is pretty good. A former colleague of mine who is a Boston based sports journalist was attending a function at Harvard a couple of years ago. My friend was sitting at the same table as Professor Ogletree and the subject of Barack Obama came up. The Professor told my friend that Obama was the second smartest student he ever had in his class. Would anyone like to guess who Professor Ogletree said was the only student he had who was smarter than the future President?

113 bubba zanetti  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:09:00pm

re: #112 _RememberTonyC

Would anyone like to guess who Professor Ogletree said was the only student he had who was smarter than the future President?

Adolf Hitler!!!!!

114 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:09:24pm

re: #110 Gus

Oil is plant food! -- GOP

Well, of course, silly!

Where would the CAGW fraud be if became accepted generally that CO2 is a harmless trace gas and essential plant food without which there would be no life?

It had to be true, because I found it on WTFUWT.

115 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:11:58pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

OT-If you guys haven't heard Arizona has just upped the stakes in the War on Women. The Arizona state senate just passed a bill allowing doctors to not give their patient's prenatal information that may lead them to have an abortion.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

I hate these people with the white hot heat of a 1000 burning suns.

I'd like to see most of the doctors in Arizona tell the state, "FU!" and pull up stakes to go somewhere which doesn't have such retrograde assholes running the place.

116 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:13:01pm

re: #112 _RememberTonyC

I have a Charles Ogletree story that is pretty good. A former colleague of mine who is a Boston based sports journalist was attending a function at Harvard a couple of years ago. My friend was sitting at the same table as Professor Ogletree and the subject of Barack Obama came up. The Professor told my friend that Obama was the second smartest student he ever had in his class. Would anyone like to guess who Professor Ogletree said was the only student he had who was smarter than the future President?

Michelle?

117 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:13:02pm

re: #113 bubba zanetti

Wrong sex

118 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:13:10pm

re: #114 freetoken

Well, of course, silly!

It had to be true, because I found it on WTFUWT.

Obama’s hype exposed; Gulf oil spill good for fish
by Andrew Bolt

119 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:13:46pm

re: #112 _RememberTonyC

I have a Charles Ogletree story that is pretty good. A former colleague of mine who is a Boston based sports journalist was attending a function at Harvard a couple of years ago. My friend was sitting at the same table as Professor Ogletree and the subject of Barack Obama came up. The Professor told my friend that Obama was the second smartest student he ever had in his class. Would anyone like to guess who Professor Ogletree said was the only student he had who was smarter than the future President?

Michelle.

120 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:13:56pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Michelle?

We have a winner .... Well done!

121 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:15:12pm

re: #119 Tundra Boy

Michelle.

Nice job

122 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:15:37pm

re: #120 _RememberTonyC

We have a winner ... Well done!

And that is FAB.

123 Kragar  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:16:21pm

re: #114 freetoken

Well, of course, silly!

It had to be true, because I found it on WTFUWT.

H20 is essential for life, so stick your head in a bucket of water and you'll live forever.

125 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:19:23pm

Such the ultimate idiot. Come on Sister Sarah and the brokered convention!

Palin: Obama Seems To Want To Return To The "Days Before The Civil War" When People Were Not Considered Equal

126 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:19:37pm

Keeps getting stranger and stranger. There seems to be no end to the wingnut insanity. Now they're basically making things up out of thin air. Conspiracy theories have become mainstreamed in Outter Wingnuttia.

128 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:20:16pm

Jinx Gus!

129 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:20:44pm

Dear God. It's 2008 again.

130 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:20:51pm

re: #124 Gus

Palin: Obama Seems To Want To Return To The "Days Before The Civil War" When People Were Not Considered Equal

Unlike those good and honest Republicans, who think that it was so good in the days when white, land-owning men were in charge.

///

131 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:21:10pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

re: #64 Varek Raith

If I'm not mistaken, that is against the Hippocratic Oath.

Holy Shit. I have to hope this is struck down.

Hippocratic Oath? That's so bogus! Who worships Apollo anymore?//

132 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:25:39pm

Wow.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:25:43pm

re: #131 Learned Mother of Zion

Hippocratic Oath? That's so bogus! Who worships Apollo anymore?//

People still worship Bacchus and Eros tho./

134 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:26:00pm

People have stated before that Newt is "what a stupid thinks a smart person sounds like." I think it can now safely be said that Sarah Palin's what a stupid person who thinks they're smart sounds like.

135 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:26:04pm

That thing could have been our vice president.

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:26:43pm

re: #135 Gus

That thing could have been our vice president.

And President. And... [should I rub salt here? /]

137 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:27:12pm

re: #111 Gus

Sen. Jim Inhofe featured in viral video about indicted African guerrilla leader Joseph Kony

Apparently, even the derpiest derps aren't 100% derpy.

138 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:27:19pm

re: #133 Creeping Diversity

People still worship Bacchus and Eros tho./

I SWEAR by Apollo the physician and Æsculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses

I guess Eros and Bacchus and Aphrodite are all in there somewhere.

139 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:27:21pm

re: #136 Creeping Diversity

And President. And... [should I rub salt here? /]

Enjoy your helping of Putin.

140 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:27:50pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

People have stated before that Newt is "what a stupid thinks a smart person sounds like." I think it can now safely be said that Sarah Palin's what a stupid person who thinks they're smart sounds like.

Hey, someone pays her to spew. She is, in a way, a smarty of this fucked up system called fox news. They suck.

141 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:28:16pm

re: #136 Creeping Diversity

And President. And... [should I rub salt here? /]

Might as well. We're all masochists since we keep up with the shit the Right throws at us.

HARDER!!!

//////

142 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:28:23pm

Hey all!

I just finished the audio version of William Gibson's Neuromancer.

Thoroughly enjoyed it. I am glad, tho, I sawa the Matrix movies before I read the book. It was much less confusing that way.

What have you been doing?

143 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:28:27pm

They're on to me at Hot Air:

Chuckles Johnson is a lying, jealous scumbag, as are the folks who comment there. His only goal in life is to destroy anyone with any credibility.

JPeterman on March 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:29:26pm

re: #141 Give the Mule what he wants

HARDER!!!

///

That's what she said? /sorry too obvious

145 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:29:32pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

They're on to me at Hot Air:

Is that the dude from Seinfeld?

146 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:29:36pm

re: #142 ggt

Hey all!

I just finished the audio version of William Gibson's Neuromancer.

Thoroughly enjoyed it. I am glad, tho, I sawa the Matrix movies before I read the book. It was much less confusing that way.

What have you been doing?

I really should reread that one of these days, along with the rest of the Sprawl Trilogy. Might as well start getting set for the coming future, since it seems every day like this country is moving towards a cyberpunk future.

147 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:30:33pm

They haven't forgotten Killgore Trout either:

Wow freshface, we haven’t had an LGF troll here since Killgore Trout tried to insert his racist garbage and blame it on Ed and AP for not stopping him.

You gonna try the same crap? You are making silly distinctions based on race.

JeffWeimer on March 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

148 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:30:46pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

They're on to me at Hot Air:

His only goal in life is to destroy anyone with any credibility.

Then the Breitbart leftovers should feel perfectly safe.

149 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:31:09pm

re: #144 Creeping Diversity

That's what she said? /sorry too obvious

A switch?

(/ don't ask how I know that (a CSI episode), I just do).

150 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:31:20pm

That's MISTER lying jealous scumbag, wingnut.

151 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:31:23pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

I really should reread that one of these days, along with the rest of the Sprawl Trilogy. Might as well start getting set for the coming future, since it seems every day like this country is moving towards a cyberpunk future.

We seem to be getting all of the crappy parts and none of the cool stuff, though. I could really use new eye implants...

152 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:31:54pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

What a cesspool of comments. I rarely visit the HotAir website anymore, but the comments in that thread are full of thinly veiled attempts by paleo and wannabe-paleo "conservatives" to blame people of color for this or that.

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:32:00pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

OT-If you guys haven't heard Arizona has just upped the stakes in the War on Women. The Arizona state senate just passed a bill allowing doctors to not give their patient's prenatal information that may lead them to have an abortion.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

I hate these people with the white hot heat of a 1000 burning suns.

What if that information is that HER LIFE IS IN DANGER?

154 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:32:04pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

They're on to me at Hot Air:

Yes. The intellectual breeding ground that is Hot Air being led by the esteemed Allahpundit linking to the genius Dan Riehl and the chimp cam over at Ace of Spades.

I was watching the referrers. I'm surprised they can all type, including the commentators, considering how much knuckle dragging they go through every day.

Credibility? Ha! What a joke.

155 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:32:56pm

re: #153 ggt

What if that information is that HER LIFE IS IN DANGER?

Non-person fetus is more important. So sorry.

156 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:33:57pm

re: #153 ggt

What if that information is that HER LIFE IS IN DANGER?

God's will, dontchaknow?

///

157 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:34:33pm
158 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:35:21pm

Lawrence O'Donnell is trying to make Joe the Plumber look like an idiot, but Mr. Wurzelbacher is beating him to the punch.

159 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:35:36pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Game over, man. Just, game over. You might as well get on that little spaceship of yours and fly back to whatever star system you came from, you dirty lizard/magical ponytail bastard!

(And Will Smith punches you in the face).

/

160 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:35:59pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

They're on to me at Hot Air:

You have goals?

:0

161 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:36:24pm

HotAir argument:

The CNN flaks tried to paint Pollak as a racist. I guess they don’t know that Pollak is married to a black woman.

LOL. That's only a tad bit better than "he has black friends".

162 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:37:07pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

They're on to me at Hot Air:

Now I have a purpose in life.

163 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:38:07pm

re: #158 Meh.

Lawrence O'Donnell is trying to make Joe the Plumber look like an idiot, but Mr. Wurzelbacher is beating him to the punch.

Yeah, I heard he barely won the GOP primary, so now he's gonna challenge the Dem incumbent who's been in office since '83 for the seat.

I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard...almost.

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:38:31pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

I really should reread that one of these days, along with the rest of the Sprawl Trilogy. Might as well start getting set for the coming future, since it seems every day like this country is moving towards a cyberpunk future.

Thoroughly kewl. I can't believe I waiting so long to read it --1986! Where the hell have I been?

165 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:38:52pm

When you Google Derrick Bell almost all the first few pages of results are within the last 24-48 hours.

They didn't give a fuck about Bell until they found the footage of Obama introducing him; it was only then that Bell became Public Enemy Number One.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:39:45pm

re: #165 BongCrodny

When you Google Derrick Bell almost all the first few pages of results are within the last 24-48 hours.

They didn't give a fuck about Bell until they found the footage of Obama introducing him; it was only then that Bell became Public Enemy Number One.

A Dead Man is Pubic Enemy Numero Uno?

167 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:40:28pm

re: #165 BongCrodny

When you Google Derrick Bell almost all the first few pages of results are within the last 24-48 hours.

They didn't give a fuck about Bell until they found the footage of Obama introducing him; it was only then that Bell became Public Enemy Number One.

A hidden enemy...

168 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:40:35pm

re: #165 BongCrodny

When you Google Derrick Bell almost all the first few pages of results are within the last 24-48 hours.

They didn't give a fuck about Bell until they found the footage of Obama introducing him; it was only then that Bell became Public Enemy Number One.

That's like how nobody but the far-right gave a fig about Saul Alinksy until Newt started spewing his name in the debates. Now his corpse has been unearthed and used to scare the kiddies.

I'm curious as to what other skeletons they plan to dig up in order to scare folks. Can Alger Hiss be far behind?

169 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:41:05pm

It's funny how the Hot Air/Breitbart sycophants focus on Charles's opinions. They act as though he's the only one in the USA if not the world that holds such opinions when in fact most of the time Charles holds mainstream views agreeable with a majority of Americans.

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:41:10pm

OK, did anybody actually provide any really controversial stuff by Bell? I've read the Space Traders just now, as well as watched the mini-film, and do think that it represents an unnecessarily paranoid worldview, but I can't really blame someone for having it. Aside from that, what?

171 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:41:36pm

re: #166 ggt

A Dead Man is Pubic Enemy Numero Uno?

Usually only when they vote...

172 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:41:53pm

re: #161 Creeping Diversity

HotAir argument:

LOL. That's only a tad bit better than "he has black friends".

Reading about him here today, I'm definitely confused. The Native Alaskans, the Arctic National Refuge vs. the pipeline is an admirable stand.

He probably just hates Obama for whatever incoherent reasons. No freaking idea.

173 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:42:19pm

re: #169 Gus

Because at one time they thought that Charles and LGF was "one of them".

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:42:19pm

Now I am on to something really old. I don't know why I waited so long to get to it.

The Metamorphoses by Ovid.

175 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:42:40pm

re: #124 Gus

Palin: Obama Seems To Want To Return To The "Days Before The Civil War" When People Were Not Considered Equal

Because a black President would love to go back to the days of the antebellum South.

What a twit.

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:42:57pm

re: #174 ggt

Yeah, that's good stuff.

177 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:43:22pm

re: #164 ggt

Thoroughly kewl. I can't believe I waiting so long to read it --1986! Where the hell have I been?

I only read it a few years back, when a friend started getting me into the whole cyberpunk genre. By the time I got through it, my mind was thoroughly turned inside out.

178 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:43:24pm

re: #175 Lidane

What a twit.

And understatement.

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:43:26pm

re: #175 Lidane

Because a black President would love to go back to the days of the antebellum South.

What a twit.

Why would anyone want to go back to that type of life?

I mean, we wouldn't have peanut butter . ..

/0

180 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:43:58pm

re: #175 Lidane

Because a black President would love to go back to the days of the antebellum South.

What a twit.

Bottom rail on top now!

181 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:44:19pm

re: #166 ggt

A Dead Man is Pubic Enemy Numero Uno?

Excuse me: Public Enemy Numero Dos. We *all* know who Numero Uno is.

182 allegro  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:44:20pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Reading about him here today, I'm definitely confused. The Native Alaskans, the Arctic Nation Refuge vs. the pipeline is an admirable stand.

He probably just hates Obama for whatever incoherent reasons. No freaking idea.

Maybe he just found out which side paid better.

183 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:44:41pm

re: #174 ggt

Now I am on to something really old. I don't know why I waited so long to get to it.

The Metamorphoses by Ovid.

Shakespeare is old. Chaucer is old. That shit is classic.

184 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:44:56pm

re: #180 Learned Mother of Zion

Cute pirates.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:45:01pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

I only read it a few years back, when a friend started getting me into the whole cyberpunk genre. By the time I got through it, my mind was thoroughly turned inside out.

Try China Meiville, The City and The City.

Or, of course, anything by Umberto Eco.

186 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:45:17pm

re: #175 Lidane

Because a black President would love to go back to the days of the antebellum South.

What a twit.

Brokered Convention
Sister Sarah Saves All
Debates Obama
He brings up the Civil War (or anything, really)

We all die from alcohol poisoning, laughing so hard, shock, stroke, and/or shame at what happened in America.

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:45:56pm

re: #183 Meh.

Shakespeare is old. Chaucer is old. That shit is classic.

So many books, so little time. . . . .

188 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:45:59pm

re: #181 BongCrodny

Excuse me: Public Enemy Numero Dos. We *all* know who Numero Uno is.

Yes, we do.

And Saul Alinsky is dead, too...

Coincidence?

189 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:46:49pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

damn, 2 typos found already. ha

190 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:46:58pm
191 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:47:18pm

re: #175 Lidane

Because a black President would love to go back to the days of the antebellum South.

What a twit.

Caribou Barbie's blowing that dog whistle nice and loud, getting the racist a-shiverin' at the thought that the black man might visit upon white folks the sort of shit they visit upon him for centuries.

I agree with the sentiment stated the other day that this year's like a replay of '96, only with the added element of overt racism.

192 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:47:22pm

re: #182 allegro

Maybe he just found out which side paid better.

Are you talking about Schooled-by-Soledad Pollack? If so, agree wholeheartedly with your earlier assessment of him as "facey" - he has the same horrid dopey-eyed devoid-of-all-human-feeling look as Scott Walker.

193 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:48:20pm

re: #185 ggt

Try China Meiville, The City and The City.

Or, of course, anything by Umberto Eco.

I'll look into those. While we're trading recommendations, check out Contact.

194 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:49:53pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Reading about him here today, I'm definitely confused. The Native Alaskans, the Arctic National Refuge vs. the pipeline is an admirable stand.

He probably just hates Obama for whatever incoherent reasons. No freaking idea.

You want my opinion on Pollak? I think he's a very intelligent young man. His work prior to joining Breitbart was good and non-controversial. Frankly, I think he's wasting his talent and reputation by being a part of the Breitbart organization. But what do I know. He's probably in it for the money at this point and a "place in history" of sorts.

195 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:50:17pm

re: #178 freetoken

And understatement.

I'm trying to be nice. I wouldn't want to give the wingnuts a case of the vapors by insulting Caribou Barbie.

///

196 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:50:55pm

re: #185 ggt

Try China Meiville, The City and The City.

Or, of course, anything by Umberto Eco.

Hmm. Meiville is doing an upcoming comic book series for DC Comics, Dial H, which is a "re-imagining" of the old 60's series about a kid with a magic telephone dial that gives him new and different superpowers every time he uses it.

Apparently, it's very highly anticipated in the industry. I'm looking forward to it.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:51:12pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

I'll look into those. While we're trading recommendations, check out Contact.

Wonderful Book!

WE need another Carl Sagan. IMHO

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:52:06pm

re: #196 BongCrodny

Hmm. Meiville is doing an upcoming comic book series for DC Comics, Dial H, which is a "re-imagining" of the old 60's series about a kid with a magic telephone dial that gives him new and different superpowers every time he uses it.

Apparently, it's very highly anticipated in the industry. I'm looking forward to it.

Meiville is like Gaiman only different and IMHO better.

Totally Wierd Fiction.

199 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:53:09pm

re: #174 ggt

Now I am on to something really old. I don't know why I waited so long to get to it.

The Metamorphoses by Ovid.

try the odes of horace: 'soracte'

(victorian translation)

One dazzling mass of solid snow
Soracte stands; the bent woods fret
Beneath their load; and, sharpest-set
With frost, the streams have ceased to flow.

Pile on great faggots and break up
The ice: let influence more benign
Enter with four-years-treasured wine,
Fetched in the ponderous Sabine cup:

Leave to the Gods all else. When they
Have once bid rest the winds that war
Over the passionate seas, no more
Grey ash and cypress rock and sway.

Ask not what future suns shall bring,
Count to-day gain, whate'er it chance
To be: nor, young man, scorn the dance,
Nor deem sweet Love an idle thing,

Ere Time thy April youth hath changed
To sourness. Park and public walk
Attract thee now, and whispered talk
At twilight meetings pre-arranged;

Hear now the pretty laugh that tells
In what dim corner lurks thy love;
And snatch a bracelet or a glove
From wrist or hand that scarce rebels.

(1920s translation)

How shining white Soracte shines!
Ice are the streams, the woods are snowy.
Decant the best of Sabine wines!
Fill up the grate, the night is blowy.

As to the rest, leave that to them
Who keep the cypresses from shaking.
The sunrise of the next a.m.
Is not a thing of human making.

Youth yet is yours! Scorn not the dance!
Your daily exercise continue;
And don't say there is no Romance
As long as there is breath within you.

Come, Thaliarchus, let us go
And take a walk upon the Campus,
And give the girls the double-o,
And let them, Thaliarchus, vamp us.

200 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:54:14pm

re: #194 Gus

You want my opinion on Pollak? I think he's a very intelligent young man. His work prior to joining Breitbart was good and non-controversial. Frankly, I think he's wasting his talent and reputation by being a part of the Breitbart organization. But what do I know. He's probably in it for the money at this point and a "place in history" of sorts.

Thanks. While at work today I followed your research. Couldn't type questions or comments, but was amazed.

Yah, money and fame. Maybe he's upside down in his house or something. He lives in LA? (heh)

201 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:54:25pm

Newt shares a tender moment in a hotel lobby with his alien replicant mistress:

Image: 09campaign1-articleLarge.jpg

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:55:06pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Newt shares a tender moment in a hotel lobby with his alien replicant mistress:

Image: 09campaign1-articleLarge.jpg

Awwwww!

203 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:55:14pm

re: #198 ggt

Meiville is like Gaiman only different and IMHO better.

Totally Wierd Fiction.

I just saw Meiville's photo on Wiki. The guy's got arms like Popeye.

204 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:55:24pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Not a very good dancer.

205 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:56:48pm
206 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:56:48pm

Analysis: Same-sex marriage trouble for the Democrats?

Same-sex marriage could become a nettlesome issue for Democrats this election year. On Wednesday the Chair of the Democratic Convention, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, said he believes same-sex marriage should be included in the Democratic Party platform but the Obama campaign is trying to put the issue off to another day.

[...]

This is America, after all.

207 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:57:11pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Newt shares a tender moment in a hotel lobby with his alien replicant mistress:

Image: 09campaign1-articleLarge.jpg

love the newt, love the gut

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:57:13pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

C'mon, it's not so bad ;)

209 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:58:06pm

re: #200 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Thanks. While at work today I followed your research. Couldn't type questions or comments, but was amazed.

Yah, money and fame. Maybe he's upside down in his house or something. He live in LA? (heh)

Yeah, I think so. He's also written a few articles on Israel and Palestine peace. He has a unique perspective of sorts. Or had a unique perspective.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:58:20pm
211 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:59:12pm

re: #206 freetoken

Analysis: Same-sex marriage trouble for the Democrats?

This is America, after all.

Let's be honest, if there's one lesson the GOP debates have given to us, it's that the voters are getting dragged out on the whole "culture war" when the big issues are the economy and jobs. Obama should be out there, asserting that his reelection will continue and even strengthen the recovery, something that the GOP has no counter to besides retreads of failed 30+ year old policies.

212 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:59:22pm

re: #210 ggt

Gorillas More Related to People Than Thought, Genome Says

How soon before the usual idiots start panicking about that?

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:59:50pm
214 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:59:52pm

re: #210 ggt

Gorillas More Related to People Than Thought, Genome Says

well obviously this genome is a secular humanist who wants to change america into something that we don't banana recognize

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:02:11pm
216 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:02:27pm

re: #212 Lidane

As I wrote yesterday:

Just wait until the IDiots and other creationists try to deal with it.

There is a lot there in the Nature paper. Important evidence of convergent evolution, of dating the split in the lines of the apes, etc.

217 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:05:27pm

re: #216 freetoken

Those IDiots who do accept the common descent won't be amused. The rest will write the usual excuses.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:07:39pm

re: #215 ggt

And, just remember!

I do believe I've found my absolute favorite in the e-card meme.

219 b_snark  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:09:07pm

If anybody sees a B_SharpC hanging around on twitter, don't worry that's just me.

220 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:12:04pm

The gorilla genome science story ought to bring up again the importance of genetics in our modern lives, and how the advance of genetics is turning out to be central to the future of medicine (and many areas of applied biology, such as ecology.)

Yet the American media doesn't handle this well. Though some online news sites do pick up these stories, I gather than 99% of the public is blissfully unaware of the rapid advances being made.

If we wanted to we could do a major project (ala Manhattan or Apollo) on engineering the new human. There is much, very much, that is yet to be learnt - that is clear. But we know enough now to understand that the genetic material is our cells is the definition and determiner of what is "life", and that we can change it.

For example, other genetics stories from just today include: discoveries of genetic variants in Ashkenazi Jews wrt Crohn's; brain functions; and plant internal clocks.

It's overwhelming, the amount of discoveries being made. This is the new golden age of biology.

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:13:00pm

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I do believe I've found my absolute favorite in the e-card meme.

This is my favorite!

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:13:59pm

re: #220 freetoken

The gorilla genome science story ought to bring up again the importance of genetics in our modern lives, and how the advance of genetics is turning out to be central to the future of medicine (and many areas of applied biology, such as ecology.)

Yet the American media doesn't handle this well. Though some online news sites do pick up these stories, I gather than 99% of the public is blissfully unaware of the rapid advances being made.

If we wanted to we could do a major project (ala Manhattan or Apollo) on engineering the new human. There is much, very much, that is yet to be learnt - that is clear. But we know enough now to understand that the genetic material is our cells is the definition and determiner of what is "life", and that we can change it.

For example, other genetics stories from just today include: discoveries of genetic variants in Ashkenazi Jews wrt Crohn's; brain functions; and plant internal clocks.

It's overwhelming, the amount of discoveries being made. This is the new golden age of biology.

Yes, and the populations seems less and less inclined to understand a bit of it.

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:14:12pm

re: #219 b_sharp

Hey dude, cool job on the OP. Cheers!

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:15:08pm

I love all the BEWARE of KONY 2012 posts on fb.

Seems the producers are accomplishing their mission.

225 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:16:24pm

re: #221 ggt

This is my favorite!

I like this one:

Image: mylife.jpg

226 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:16:53pm

re: #222 ggt

Yes, and the populations seems less and less inclined to understand a bit of it.

It is overwhelming, to be sure, to dive into this stuff.

Yet I think our society has the bigger problem of being overwhelmed with just about everything. We are living in a future-shock numbed state.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:17:56pm

re: #220 freetoken

I think part of the problem, beyond the media sucking ass at reporting science, are scientists being not so good at PR/relating their discoveries to the average layperson.

228 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:18:32pm

re: #226 freetoken

It is overwhelming, to be sure, to dive into this stuff.

Yet I think our society has the bigger problem of being overwhelmed with just about everything. We are living in a future-shock numbed state.

Yeah, I was pondering that the other day. One of my doctors said you just have to carve out your little spot and live within it while respecting other people and their little spots.

I'd be happier if people had a better understanding of the empiricism tho.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:19:22pm

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I think part of the problem, beyond the media sucking ass at reporting science, are scientists being not so good at PR/relating their discoveries to the average layperson.

Semantics can get real sticky.

I find myself asking people for definitions of what I used to think were common terms all the time. "What do you mean when you say . . . ?"

230 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:20:05pm

re: #142 ggt

Hey all!

I just finished the audio version of William Gibson's Neuromancer.

Thoroughly enjoyed it. I am glad, tho, I sawa the Matrix movies before I read the book. It was much less confusing that way.

What have you been doing?

That was perhaps the greatest Science Fiction novel of the 1980's and yet, time marches on. How many kids today will understand what he really ment with the opening sentence - "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." How many digital kiddies have ever seen a screen of grey white snow, analog noise, in the middle of the night? They imagine a flat blue screen, perhaps frightening if used to Microsoft but not much else.

And the ultimate irony is that a novel which has driven how we envision the network - "cyberspace" - was written on a manual typewriter by someone who had never owned a computer...

231 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:21:22pm

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I think part of the problem, beyond the media sucking ass at reporting science, are scientists being not so good at PR/relating their discoveries to the average layperson.

Don't get me started on the science PR business. EurekaAlert is full of that stuff - some is good but some is downright awful. The public relations office of universities and research institutes can be amazingly awful, and prone to over exaggeration or misleading statements, just like any other PR offices.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:21:24pm

re: #230 William Barnett-Lewis

That was perhaps the greatest Science Fiction novel of the 1980's and yet, time marches on. How many kids today will understand what he really ment with the opening sentence - "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." How many digital kiddies have ever seen a screen of grey white snow, analog noise, in the middle of the night? They imagine a flat blue screen, perhaps frightening if used to Microsoft but not much else.

And the ultimate irony is that a novel which has driven how we envision the network - "cyberspace" - was written on a manual typewriter by someone who had never owned a computer...

Stranger things have happened. Like the "iPads" Capt'n Kirk used to sign-off on and give back to his Yeoman(girl).

233 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:25:01pm

re: #217 Creeping Diversity

Those IDiots who do accept the common descent won't be amused. The rest will write the usual excuses.

Sure enough:

This just in: We are 99.5% gorilla …

12
bornagain77March 8, 2012 at 5:36 pm

wd400 you state:

But the DNA evidence makes the evolutionary history of these species clear and there’s nothing “interpretive” about that.

Okie Dokie wd400 you seem to have all this evolutionary relationship stuff figured out from genetic sequences and I guess you are also certain this proves that man evolved from apes by neo-Darwinian means, but I have one nagging question right off the top of my head since genetic similarity carries such weight,,, exactly where do we stick kangaroos in the line leading up to humans???

Kangaroo genes close to humans
Excerpt: Australia’s kangaroos are genetically similar to humans,,, “There are a few differences, we have a few more of this, a few less of that, but they are the same genes and a lot of them are in the same order,” ,,,”We thought they’d be completely scrambled, but they’re not. There is great chunks of the human genome which is sitting right there in the kangaroo genome,”
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

234 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:26:32pm

Palin: Obama was not vetted

I... I don't know what I can say about this to add to it.

235 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:27:14pm

One of the officers (an American Convert who is close to Salafi mentioned previously) of MSA objects to me being for the elimination of Joseph Kony (he calls it assassination). He says the guy needs to be tried in the ICC.

I used to be idealistic like him, but I've hardened since then. Of course, him being close friends of the Salafist gives my mind another, more cynical angle.

236 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:28:15pm

re: #233 freetoken

You must be trying to give me brain damage with all these *headdesk* worthy posts of yours.

237 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:28:48pm

re: #234 Meh.

Irony Meter, busted.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:30:16pm

re: #235 ProGunLiberal

One of the officers (an American COnvert who is close to Salafi mentioned previously) of MSA objects to me being for the elimination of Joseph Kony (he calls it assassination). He says the guy needs to be tried in the ICC.

I used to be idealistic like him, but I've hardened since then. Of course, him being close friends of the Salafist gives my mind another, more cynical angle.

IMHO, Whatever it takes to stop him. If he can be captured and tried in a court-of-law, I'm all for it.

Somehow, I don't think he'll allow such a thing. I'm afraid he'd try to burn the Jungle first.

Can a Jungle be burned --or is it too wet?

239 Kragar  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:31:36pm

re: #234 Meh.

Palin: Obama was not vetted

I... I don't know what I can say about this to add to it.

Yeah! Does anyone even really know if he's been to college?!

Wait a sec...

240 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:31:59pm

I have a fairly simple approach to this sort of thing: Before you can convince me that something is being "hidden" you have to convince me that it is worth "hiding." So far, I don't see any part of this.

241 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:32:17pm

re: #239 Kragar

Yeah! Does anyone even really know if he's been to college?!

Wait a sec...

We have proof of it now!!

242 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:32:32pm
243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:33:06pm

I'm tired of a lot of the knee-jerk responses people give.

The "don't donate to Kony 2012" I keep getting on my fb.

Have any of these people even watched the video?

Agree or disagree, but at least watch the video. It isn't a 30 request for funds.

Someone even posted that it is about American Imperalism invading Africa. Oil!

WTF?

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:33:50pm

re: #240 im_gumby_damnit

I have a fairly simple approach to this sort of thing: Before you can convince me that something is being "hidden" you have to convince me that it is worth "hiding." So far, I don't see any part of this.

What's been alleged to be hidden?

245 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:34:56pm
246 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:35:16pm

re: #238 ggt

What did Napalm do to the jungles Vietnam?

Burning a Jungle is quite possible. Kony won't allow himself to be taken alive. We should be willing to oblige that.

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:35:21pm

In the theme:

Cuteness!

248 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:35:24pm

re: #234 Meh.

Palin: Obama was not vetted

The Rest of the Country: Palin Wasn't Elected, Thank God

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:35:54pm

re: #246 ProGunLiberal

What did Napalm do to the jungles Vietnam?

Burning a Jungle is quite possible. Kony won't allow himself to be taken alive. We should be willing to oblige that.

Ah, you are right.

I was thinking along the lines of a traditional forest fire.

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:36:12pm

re: #232 ggt

Stranger things have happened. Like the "iPads" Capt'n Kirk used to sign-off on and give back to his Yeoman(girl).

True enough.

Which audio version was it? The abridged one was read by Gibson himself, but the unabridged one, naturally, has the whole story.

251 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:36:24pm

re: #242 Gus

Never have the words "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" had more meaning.

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:37:06pm

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

True enough.

Which audio version was it? The abridged one was read by Gibson himself, but the unabridged one, naturally, has the whole story.

Read by Robertson Dean.

Audible version. Unabridged!

253 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:37:29pm

re: #244 ggt

The whole Obama/Bell video.

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:37:55pm

re: #253 im_gumby_damnit

The whole Obama/Bell video.

ah!

Yeah, total non-troversy

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:38:29pm

re: #246 ProGunLiberal

What did Napalm do to the jungles Vietnam?

Burning a Jungle is quite possible. Kony won't allow himself to be taken alive. We should be willing to oblige that.

Meh. Just sick Seal Team 6 on him and be done with it. He can rest alongside OBL.

256 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:38:36pm

I really don't think killing this guy is worth scorched earth.

257 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:39:19pm

Waiting to pounce, eh?

258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:39:36pm

re: #256 Meh.

I really don't think killing this guy is worth scorched earth.

And if it were your kid he took or was in danger of being taken?

259 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:39:51pm
260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:40:40pm

I gotta go to bed.

Full day today and tommorrow.

Have to get my beauty sleep as not to scare people.

Have a great evening all!

261 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:41:06pm

Colbert: Cain is pushing the boundaries of what can be considered a political ad, just as he once pushed the boundaries of what can be considered pizza.

262 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:43:13pm

re: #257 im_gumby_damnit

Waiting to pounce, eh?

Of course! You're Gumby damn it!

//

263 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:43:27pm

re: #232 ggt

Stranger things have happened. Like the "iPads" Capt'n Kirk used to sign-off on and give back to his Yeoman(girl).

And can you believe those cellphones they used in Starfleet? They don't even have a keypad! How are you supposed to text to your friends about the Klingon you just beat up?

///

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:47:37pm

re: #242 Gus

Wait, does he really use RAtM tunes for bumpers? That would be like Jesus hiring Slayer to play at his birthday party. I mean...

265 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:49:12pm

re: #258 ggt

And if it were your kid he took or was in danger of being taken?

Then my opinions would come from my very narrow world-view with little to no regard for the consequences. In my objective opinion, burning the village to save it is usually a pretty bad plan.

266 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:52:17pm

re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Wait, does he really use RAtM tunes for bumpers? That would be like Jesus hiring Slayer to play at his birthday party. I mean...

We'll have Elton John do the wedding instead.

//

267 palomino  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:52:47pm

The right wing effort we see here is based on a fantasy--that Obama is really something else, whether non-citizen, Muslim, pro-terrorist, commie, whatever. The fantasy concludes with Obama being exposed as something so far out of the US mainstream that he can't be re-elected. They still can't accept that in "their" America we've changed so much that a black guy with a Muslim-sounding name who lived abroad could get elected Prez.

268 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:57:58pm

BTW, the fellers in RAtM may not have been born with a silver spoon a large as Limbaugh's, but certainly ones bigger than the average person.

I do like their music, but they are so far removed from anything remotely resembling real struggle, most especially the kinds of struggle they sing about.

But whatever, I still like listening to their stuff.

269 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 8:58:27pm

Rush told Limbaugh to stuff it! Rush! The rock music for John Galt fans everywhere! Can you imagine? The Tea Bags must have a serious sad.

RUSH
Rage Against the Machine
Peter Gabriel

No more cool bands for Limbaugh. I see a pattern. 'Bought the only one left might be draft dodger Ted Nugent.

270 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:01:22pm

re: #267 palomino

They still can't accept that in "their" America we've changed so much that a black guy with a Muslim-sounding name who lived abroad could get elected Prez.

I'm still amazed at how thoroughly some folks flipped their shit after Barack Obama got elected.

These people are still trying to vet him despite the fact he's been POTUS for over three years now. WTF.

271 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:03:18pm

re: #267 palomino

The right wing effort we see here is based on a fantasy--that Obama is really something else, whether non-citizen, Muslim, pro-terrorist, commie, whatever. The fantasy concludes with Obama being exposed as something so far out of the US mainstream that he can't be re-elected. They still can't accept that in "their" America we've changed so much that a black guy with a Muslim-sounding name who lived abroad could get elected Prez.

Well said. So sad that that is reality for so many Americans. The people that have convinced them of this are the real problem. It takes real money to do this. The fact that they have been as successful as they have been is the scary bit.

Our Constitution was based on the concept of the common good. This concept has been perverted by people who have the money to make it about their personal interest. At a fundamental level, this is perverse.

But Corporations are people, my friend.

272 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:04:13pm

re: #266 Gus

We'll have Elton John do the wedding instead.

//

WWJHTP?
Who would Jesus hire to play? Jesus loved big wedding parties and can make fine wine out of water..(weddings and open bars are a match made in heaven)
I figure warmups we will get some kind of Mormon choir And all the big time Gospel singers and groups..
Then as the wine flows I Nominate some great jazz players during dinner.
Then move on to Elton John..some Clapton..I would be Fun..

273 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:09:19pm

re: #270 Lidane

I'm still amazed at how thoroughly some folks flipped their shit after Barack Obama got elected.

These people are still trying to vet him despite the fact he's been POTUS for over three years now. WTF.

If you haven't gotten over the Civil Rights Act being passed, you damn sure aren't over Obama Being POTUS.

274 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:10:22pm

re: #271 austin_blue

Well said. So sad that that is reality for so many Americans. The people that have convinced them of this are the real problem. It takes real money to do this. The fact that they have been as successful as they have been is the scary bit.

Our Constitution was based on the concept of the common good. This concept has been perverted by people who have the money to make it about their personal interest. At a fundamental level, this is perverse.

But Corporations are people, my friend.

Corporations are people, zygotes are people, but apparently not women.

275 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:10:30pm

re: #273 moderatelyradicalliberal

If you haven't gotten over the Civil Rights Act being passed, you damn sure aren't over Obama Being POTUS.

There are plenty of yahoos around here still fighting the Civil War. I guess i shouldn't be surprised. =P

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:11:00pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

I've never understood where that term came from and have yet to have anyone else be able to tell me. Of course I don't think I've heard that word be used since the Jeffersons were on TV either. I still here the term 'cracker" but it's almost always white people saying it other white people (It's Texas).

"Honky" is a variant of "hunkie", which was an abbreviation of "Hungarian", used a slighting way to describe Eastern European immigrants, especially, natch, Hungarians.

It was eventually applied, for forty-five minutes, to all white people.

It was most recently used in my presence in 2007, by a couple of boys who were teasing The Only White Kid In The Middle School. Who asked me what it meant. Leading to a Talk with the kids about racial epithets, and how they hurt people's feelings.

278 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:11:16pm

re: #267 palomino

The right wing effort we see here is based on a fantasy--that Obama is really something else, whether non-citizen, Muslim, pro-terrorist, commie, whatever. The fantasy concludes with Obama being exposed as something so far out of the US mainstream that he can't be re-elected. They still can't accept that in "their" America we've changed so much that a black guy with a Muslim-sounding name who lived abroad could get elected Prez.

It seems to be this need to destroy the "nice guy" persona that they think he's faking, that he's really got some dark side to him that they wanna reveal in order to "protect" America. Because they're convinced that a President Obama reelected to a second term will free to tear America down around their ears. That they have to defeat him in order to "save" it.

279 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:11:47pm

re: #275 Lidane

There are plenty of yahoos around here still fighting the Civil War. I guess i shouldn't be surprised. =P

They never stopped and they never will.

Ugh. I just saw Sarah Palin on my TV calling Derrick Bell a racist. I hate her. I really do.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:13:17pm

re: #99 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Obliquely related tangent:

My dad lived the first ~decade or so of his life in Missouri, raised by his mother and grandmother. For possibly relevant context, he was born in 1928, and his mother was born in 1904. As far back as I can remember, my dad used to throw around the word "honyock" (rhymes with "fawn block"). As far as I could tell, the term was slightly derisive, but there wasn't anything especially malicious about it. From context, I inferred that a "honyock" was a word applied to someone behaving foolishly as a matter of habit, thereby causing annoyance. For example, bad drivers might be called honyocks. In modern internet parlance, someone who could be relied upon to habitually derpty derpa derp da derpy doo would probably be considered a honyock.

Until I was about ~32 years old, I had never heard that word used by anyone other than my dad, and I fully believed he invented it. Well, lo and behold I started a new job one day, and after a while I overheard the boss playfully referring to some of the employees as "honyocks"! Long story shorter, I eventually told him a skeletal version of the above, and expressed my astonishment that there was another person who knew the Secret Word.

According to this guy, who was also from Missouri, "honyock" is a derogatory term for someone of Hungarian descent, along the lines of "polack". I know full well that my dad was not carrying around a weird hatred of Hungarians, so this is clearly something he picked up from his ancestry, who were of nebulous Central European descent. I doubt that he ever had the slightest idea of the (apparently) bigoted connotation.

[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]

281 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:13:30pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

"Honky" is a variant of "hunkie", which was an abbreviation of "Hungarian", used a slighting way to describe Eastern European immigrants, especially, natch, Hungarians.

It was eventually applied, for forty-five minutes, to all white people.

It was most recently used in my presence in 2007, by a couple of boys who were teasing The Only White Kid In The Middle School. Who asked me what it meant. Leading to a Talk with the kids about racial epithets, and how they hurt people's feelings.

Glad you corrected the children. Still, what a strange word.

282 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:14:27pm

Hannity is still going on about "the Hug". He's so sad and so is his side kick the Tundra Twit.

283 palomino  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:14:44pm

re: #271 austin_blue

Well said. So sad that that is reality for so many Americans. The people that have convinced them of this are the real problem. It takes real money to do this. The fact that they have been as successful as they have been is the scary bit.

Our Constitution was based on the concept of the common good. This concept has been perverted by people who have the money to make it about their personal interest. At a fundamental level, this is perverse.

But Corporations are people, my friend.

Hopefully, after seeing Obama the centrist normal family man for 4 years, the public won't buy the smears, and they won't be any more decisive than when peddled for 2 straight years in 2007-2008..

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:15:03pm

re: #269 Gus

Ha! I doubt the Tea Baggers give a turd for RUSH.

I think their Atheist Anthem would turn most Tea Baggers off of them, and maybe even make Santorum want to throw up.

285 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:15:07pm

re: #279 moderatelyradicalliberal

They never stopped and they never will.

Ugh. I just saw Sarah Palin on my TV calling Derrick Bell a racist. I hate her. I really do.

She is something isn't she? I just saw that also..Shallow

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:15:13pm

re: #138 Learned Mother of Zion

I guess Eros and Bacchus and Aphrodite are all in there somewhere.

We will pray to Aphrodite
She's beautiful but flighty
In her silken see-thru nightie
She's good enough for me.

We will pray to Zarathrustra,
Pray just like we used-to,
I'm a Zarathrustra booster,
He's good enough for me.

We will pray just like the Druids,
Drinking strange fermented fluids,
Go dancing naked through the woods,
They're good enough for me.

287 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:15:28pm

re: #273 moderatelyradicalliberal

If you haven't gotten over the Civil Rights Act being passed, you damn sure aren't over Obama Being POTUS.

So the opposition are all racist fucks?

Maybe, but hmmm...

Bit of a broad brush. I think there are a bunch of white folk out there who are scared of losing control by demographics. Granted, they are mainly to the left side of the IQ bell curve, but there is a lot of existential fear out there. To them, it's legitimate. But agreed, they're idjuts.

288 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:15:52pm

re: #283 palomino

Hopefully, after seeing Obama the centrist normal family man for 4 years, the public won't buy the smears, and they won't be any more decisive than when peddled for 2 straight years in 2007-2008..

His personal approval ratings are in the high 70s, so it really hasn't worked. Just the crazy 27%.

289 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:18:54pm

re: #283 palomino

Hopefully, after seeing Obama the centrist normal family man for 4 years, the public won't buy the smears, and they won't be any more decisive than when peddled for 2 straight years in 2007-2008..

Hopefully. Want to bet against the SuperPacs?

Corporations are people, my friend.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:19:44pm

re: #282 moderatelyradicalliberal

Hannity is still going on about "the Hug". He's so sad and so is his side kick the Tundra Twit.

Can someone clarify for me what they believe the issue is?

291 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:19:44pm

re: #289 austin_blue

Hopefully. Want to bet against the SuperPacs?

If they haven't succeeded in selling the Mitt Sandwich by now...

292 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:19:51pm

1986 iran/contra

2012 bomb iran, ban contraception

le plus ca change, shit is fucked up and shit

293 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:20:16pm

re: #287 austin_blue

So the opposition are all racist fucks?

Maybe, but hmmm...

Bit of a broad brush. I think there are a bunch of white folk out there who are scared of losing control by demographics. Granted, they are mainly to the left side of the IQ bell curve, but there is a lot of existential fear out there. To them, it's legitimate. But agreed, they're idjuts.

I didn't say all of the opposition was. I was referring to Lidane's comment that she was surprised at how some people have just flipped their shit since Obama was elected. For many of the most flipped out people it is race or a general fear of the "other". It's not so much Obama, but what he represents: a fast coming demographic change and fear of what it means for them. In 2008 both candidates embodies it literally. McCain was old and white, Obama was young and not-white. A lot of people just freaked our when young and not-white beat old and white.

294 palomino  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:20:58pm

re: #288 moderatelyradicalliberal

His personal approval ratings are in the high 70s, so it really hasn't worked. Just the crazy 27%.

That's kind of the impression I get, purely anecdotally. Most Americans were ready for a black president. But about 1 in 5 just kind of freaked out, and were clearly not ready.

295 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:21:17pm

re: #279 moderatelyradicalliberal

They never stopped and they never will.

Ugh. I just saw Sarah Palin on my TV calling Derrick Bell a racist. I hate her. I really do.

She also suggested that Obama wants to go back to pre-Civil War times, as if a black President would want to return to that, or something. WTF.

She makes my head hurt.

296 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:22:00pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me what they believe the issue is?

Obama hugged a radical! He hugged The Jeremiah Wright of Harvard! Eleventy!

297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:22:22pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Despite whatever my family's failings were, I was not raised to think like that. I was absolutely perplexed the first time someone called me "honky". It was in early grade school, and I had no clue what it meant.

298 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:22:38pm

re: #296 Lidane

Pretty much. They're trying to revive the "Scary Black Man!" bit they ran in '08.

299 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:22:41pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me what they believe the issue is?

Too much blackness in one space. They know it's all about the projection of the rubes they feed bullshit too. Their audience is already scared to death of everyone and everything not like them. It doesn't take much to scare and rile the 27% because they are always scared and riled anyway.

300 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:24:18pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Pretty much. They're trying to revive the "Scary Black Man!" bit they ran in '08.

Which is hard to do considering that the video they're screaming about has been on the PBS website and in better quality for over three years.

301 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:25:30pm

re: #300 Lidane

Which is hard to do considering that the video they're screaming about has been on the PBS website and in better quality for over three years.

They aren't just liars. They are dumb liars, but they know the people that they are conning well enough to know that it won't matter.

302 palomino  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:26:27pm

re: #289 austin_blue

Hopefully. Want to bet against the SuperPacs?

Corporations are people, my friend.

I think the SuperPacs will reinforce the right wing misinformation already out there. I don't think they'll change the minds of millions of independents who have heard all this garbage before, first from McCain's surrogates, now from Romney's surrogates, from Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, et al. for the last 4 years.

Obama is fairly popular personally...it's too late to change that without a real bombshell. America has known him for 5 years. If the public was really susceptible to this trash, he wouldn't still be so highly respected.

303 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:26:37pm

re: #300 Lidane

Which is hard to do considering that the video they're screaming about has been on the PBS website and in better quality for over three years.

True, but we're talking PBS, which is about as foreign to them as Al-Jazeera.

304 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:26:57pm

re: #291 Interesting Times

If they haven't succeeded in selling the Mitt Sandwich by now...

Oh, I think Mitt's a lock. A badly damaged candidate by the time this thing is over, but a lock. He'll be the BobDole of 2012. Who'll be his sacrificial VP nod?

305 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:26:59pm

re: #299 moderatelyradicalliberal

It doesn't take much to scare and rile the 27% because they are always scared and riled anyway.

Memo to the 27%:

306 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:27:17pm

re: #295 Lidane

She also suggested that Obama wants to go back to pre-Civil War times, as if a black President would want to return to that, or something. WTF.

She makes my head hurt.

She's a moron who will never get over the fact that people noticed and rejected her for it. It must be hard to be an aging beauty queen who can't get by on her looks anymore.

307 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:27:44pm

re: #304 austin_blue

Oh, I think Mitt's a lock. A badly damaged candidate by the time this thing is over, but a lock. He'll be the BobDole of 2012. Who'll be his sacrificial VP nod?

My money's on either Rubio or McDonnell.

308 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:29:18pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

My money's on either Rubio or McDonnell.

If Rubio wants any kind of political future that isn't as a has-been pundit on Fox, he'll decline. Plus the birther morons hate him because his parents are immigrants.

My guess is Haley or McDonnell. Mitt needs a southerner and an evangelical to pacify the rubes.

309 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:30:07pm

re: #308 Lidane

If Rubio wants any kind of political future that isn't as a has-been pundit on Fox, he'll decline. Plus the birther morons hate him because his parents are immigrants.

My guess is Haley or McDonnell. Mitt needs a southerner and an evangelical to pacify the rubes.

RON PAUL!

310 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:30:25pm

re: #302 palomino

I think the SuperPacs will reinforce the right wing misinformation already out there. I don't think they'll change the minds of millions of independents who have heard all this garbage before, first from McCain's surrogates, now from Romney's surrogates, from Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, et al. for the last 4 years.

Obama is fairly popular personally...it's too late to change that without a real bombshell. America has known him for 5 years. If the public was really susceptible to this trash, he wouldn't still be so highly respected.

Agreed. It'll be interesting to see how unlimited corporate money affects this election.

311 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:33:33pm

re: #302 palomino

Obama is fairly popular personally...it's too late to change that without a real bombshell. America has known him for 5 years. If the public was really susceptible to this trash, he wouldn't still be so highly respected.

Barack Obama is pretty much in "dead girl/live boy" territory in terms of what it would take for people to truly turn on him personally, and that's not going to happen. He genuinely loves his wife and kids and they're an adorable family. Plus, as we've seen, the man's been blessed with the dumbest enemies on the planet.

At this rate, it's all up to the state of the economy in November. If we're in decent shape and the shit doesn't truly hit the fan, he'll win again. If something catastrophic happens, he will lose.

312 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:33:48pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

My money's on either Rubio or McDonnell.

It will be Rubio. FL is a bigger score electorally and McDonnell will hurt Romney in VA after the force vaginal probes bill. His image as a moderate is gone, baby gone. There are a lot of people, women especially who wished they had listened when his grad school thesis came out. He is the same Falwell University nut he always was.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

313 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:34:28pm

Mitt Sandwich

Doin His Bit To Bring About The Day When The Republican Party Splits In Two Since 1996

314 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:36:13pm

re: #308 Lidane

If Rubio wants any kind of political future that isn't as a has-been pundit on Fox, he'll decline. Plus the birther morons hate him because his parents are immigrants.

My guess is Haley or McDonnell. Mitt needs a southerner and an evangelical to pacify the rubes.

No one trusts Mittens on the Conservative side. I expect him to make a run at Paul Ryan (fail) and Rubio (fail).

To solidify the base, his perfect running mate would be Arpaio.
Bwahaha!

315 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:36:18pm

re: #297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Despite whatever my family's failings were, I was not raised to think like that. I was absolutely perplexed the first time someone called me "honky". It was in early grade school, and I had no clue what it meant.

Get out of jury duty free card.

316 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:36:31pm

re: #308 Lidane

If Rubio wants any kind of political future that isn't as a has-been pundit on Fox, he'll decline. Plus the birther morons hate him because his parents are immigrants.

My guess is Haley or McDonnell. Mitt needs a southerner and an evangelical to pacify the rubes.

I figured it would be Rubio because FL is a bigger electoral prize, but Mitt's gonna have to get the 27% on board even more than any Hispanic outreach that Rubio would marginally provide. I think people of color have proven that we don't go for window dressing. Yep, he may need a good ole' Southern white boy.

317 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:37:07pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Pretty much. They're trying to revive the "Scary Black Man!" bit they ran in '08.

Radical! Run for them hills! Yeah. These same people think I'm a radical. Too funny. A lot of this is rooted on aversion to all things foreign. Race (or skin color) being the most notorious. Others being most things European or intellectual. Hence the rampant anti-intellectual undertone overtone at CPAC and in the current Republican primary. The most frequent term used by the right in this case being elitist such as an elitist academic. Most Europeans are curious about Marx on an intellectual level while you'll find most Americans see him as an enemy of the state. They assume that people who study devil also worship the devil. Such is the case with Dr. Holdren.

318 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:37:13pm

re: #308 Lidane

If Rubio wants any kind of political future that isn't as a has-been pundit on Fox, he'll decline. Plus the birther morons hate him because his parents are immigrants.

My guess is Haley or McDonnell. Mitt needs a southerner and an evangelical to pacify the rubes.

Between those two, I'd have to lean McDonnell, as he's probably the closest Willard will find to a "moderate" that won't send the base into an uproar. Haley's got baggage along for the ride, such as Caribou Barbie's habit of running up the credit card when somebody else is picking up the bill, as well as her Sikh heritage which will make the "secret Muslim" crowd instantly suspicious.

319 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:37:48pm
320 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:38:35pm

we'll really know how bad off the republican party is if there are boos when mitt is nominated

321 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:41:21pm

re: #316 moderatelyradicalliberal

I figured it would be Rubio because FL is a bigger electoral prize, but Mitt's gonna have to get the 27% on board even more than any Hispanic outreach that Rubio would marginally provide. I think people of color have proven that we don't go for window dressing. Yep, he may need a good ole' Southern white boy.

Rubio is Cuban. You have no idea how much the rest of the Hispanic population in the US hate the special treatment the Cubans get. No shit. If they can make it to the beach (dry foot), they are on a citizen track. The rest of the Hispanic world? Fucked.

322 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:41:29pm

re: #320 engineer cat

we'll really know how bad off the republican party is if there are boos when mitt is nominated

I'm actually staring to believe that Mitt will not be nominated until the convention. I don't think he will win enough delegates to go in as the nominee. Which raises the question, how will he pick his VP? Will that be apart of the deal too? Can you select a VP is you don't have the delegates before the convention?

323 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:41:57pm

re: #308 Lidane

Oh, wait. Nikki Haley's parents are Sikh immigrants from India. By the birther rules, that means she's not a natural born citizen. And Rubio's not a citizen for the same reason, since his parents are Cuban.

Never mind. My guess is that Mittens will go for a white Southern conservative evangelical. Someone who doesn't mind their career flaming out this year as long as they get a Fox gig and can reassure the base that Mitt is a conservative.

324 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:43:05pm

re: #311 Lidane

Barack Obama is pretty much in "dead girl/live boy" territory in terms of what it would take for people to truly turn on him personally, and that's not going to happen. He genuinely loves his wife and kids and they're an adorable family. Plus, as we've seen, the man's been blessed with the dumbest enemies on the planet.

At this rate, it's all up to the state of the economy in November. If we're in decent shape and the shit doesn't truly hit the fan, he'll win again. If something catastrophic happens, he will lose.

Think at this point that it would take an economic catastrophe to really derail his chances, which is probably why the Right has chosen in recent months to dwell so much on Greece, the EU in general, and China. Not to mention trying to play up the "real" unemployment numbers, which only seemed to matter after Jan 20th, 2009.

325 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:43:57pm

re: #321 austin_blue

Even beyond that, Whirled Nuts Daily and the rest of the birthers hate Rubio and don't think he's a citizen:

WorldNetDaily’s Farah: Rubio ineligible for VP slot, not a ‘natural-born citizen’ [VIDEO]

326 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:43:57pm

re: #323 Lidane

Oh, wait. Nikki Haley's parents are Sikh immigrants from India. By the birther rules, that means she's not a natural born citizen. And Rubio's not a citizen for the same reason, since his parents are Cuban.

Never mind. My guess is that Mittens will go for a white Southern conservative evangelical. Someone who doesn't mind their career flaming out this year as long as they get a Fox gig and can reassure the base that Mitt is a conservative.

Maybe Sarah will start eatin' corn pone and red gravy?

327 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:44:02pm

re: #322 moderatelyradicalliberal

Which raises the question, how will he pick his VP?

has to make him look good, like more natural, alive, and appealing, by contrast

i suggest a particularly well preserved mummy

328 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:44:17pm

re: #321 austin_blue

Rubio is Cuban. You have no idea how much the rest of the Hispanic population in the US hate the special treatment the Cubans get. No shit. If they can make it to the beach (dry foot), they are on a citizen track. The rest of the Hispanic world? Fucked.

Oh, I went to college in Florida so I know a little bit about it. I made the mistake of calling a classmate Cuban and was quickly reminded that they weren't the only Latinos is Florida. Rubio would provide marginal help with the Latino vote at best. Hell, he might even hurt.

329 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:44:36pm

re: #322 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm actually staring to believe that Mitt will not be nominated until the convention. I don't think he will win enough delegates to go in as the nominee. Which raises the question, how will he pick his VP? Will that be apart of the deal too? Can you select a VP is you don't have the delegates before the convention?

Scariest nightmare for the GOP at this point is that Mittens gets to the convention with the most delegates, but still not enough to win the nomination outright. And Super Tuesday did nothing to allay that fear.

330 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:44:53pm

4 years ago we were speculating about the GOP VP...No one had ever heard of Sarah Palin then..I think Mitt will make a choice outside the box.
I could see a Rudy Giuliani that the base loves or something

331 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:45:49pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

Heh. I checked again this evening. I'm out. Until next time, anyway.

332 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:46:42pm

re: #327 engineer cat

has to make him look good, like more natural, alive, and appealing, by contrast

i suggest a particularly well preserved mummy

No, I meant what would be the process? Could he actually select a VP candidate before the convention if he isn't the real nominee going into the convention because he doesn't have enough delegates?

333 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:47:06pm

re: #326 austin_blue

Maybe Sarah will start eatin' corn pone and red gravy?

You betcha!

334 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:47:36pm

re: #330 HoosierHoops

4 years ago we were speculating about the GOP VP...No one had ever heard of Sarah Palin then..I think Mitt will make a choice outside the box.
I could see a Rudy Giuliani that the base loves or something

Rudy's as much reviled by the base as he was back in '08, if only because of his NYC connections. Nobody's really interested in a replay of "Noun, Verb, 9/11."

335 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:48:36pm

re: #334 Targetpractice

Nobody's really interested in a replay of "Noun, Verb, 9/11."

That was such a great line from Biden. That and "Big Fuckin' Deal". Hehe.

336 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:49:24pm

re: #330 HoosierHoops

4 years ago we were speculating about the GOP VP...No one had ever heard of Sarah Palin then..I think Mitt will make a choice outside the box.
I could see a Rudy Giuliani that the base loves or something

The base hates Rudy, because Rudy doesn't hate the gays.

337 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:51:15pm

Sleepy time. Sweet scaly dreams, my friends. Good discussion tonight!

We live in interesting times.

338 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:51:30pm

re: #328 moderatelyradicalliberal

My dad's parent's, who live in Florida, says the somewhat sizable Haitian Community in Florida hates the Cubans too.

I wonder if the other immigrant groups in the state would actually negate any advantage that getting the Cuban-Americans.

339 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:51:52pm

re: #335 Lidane

That was such a great line from Biden. That and "Big Fuckin' Deal". Hehe.

Biden single-handedly turned Rudy into a joke. That and the Violence Against Women Act makes him worth his weight in gold.

340 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:53:10pm

re: #336 Iwouldprefernotto

The base hates Rudy, because Rudy doesn't hate the gays.

Really? Guess I never heard that..But my point was that I think Mitt will make a choice outside the Box..It won't be the usual suspects..

341 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:54:39pm

re: #336 Iwouldprefernotto

The base hates Rudy, because Rudy doesn't hate the gays.

He lived with 2 gay friends for nearly a year after his 2nd marriage broke up, back in 1999. No way the base can accept that.

342 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:54:46pm

re: #340 HoosierHoops

Really? Guess I never heard that..But my point was that I think Mitt will make a choice outside the Box..It won't be the usual suspects..

That's what actually makes me think that the earlier-mentioned Paul Ryan might be on the short list. He's young, popular amongst the faithful, and could be played up for his "ideas" that were so popular when his "plan" wasn't. I still remember how, even as his "plan" was being trashed by everybody and their dog, the wingnuts were still praising him for "getting people talking."

343 BongGhazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:55:10pm

re: #330 HoosierHoops

4 years ago we were speculating about the GOP VP...No one had ever heard of Sarah Palin then..I think Mitt will make a choice outside the box.
I could see a Rudy Giuliani that the base loves or something

Bob McDonnell, maybe?

He's got good approval ratings in Virginia; that likely would lock in Virginia for the GOP.

He's Catholic, but based on Santorum's inroads in some of the southern/midwestern states, that might not be much of a problem.

344 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:56:44pm

re: #338 ProGunLiberal

My dad's parent's, who live in Florida, say the somewhat sizable Haitian Community in Florida hates the Cubans too.

I wonder if the other immigrant groups in the state would actually negate any advantage that getting the Cuban-Americans.

Nobody from South Florida that I met seemed to like Cubans and it all seemed to steam from the special treatment they get from the US govt. Even the Puerto Ricans and they are citizens by birth. I really think it's the special treatment thing. Of course if you call a Puerto Rican Dominican they get pissed and if you call Dominicans Haitians they get pissed and if you call Haitians Jamaicans they get pissed. And don't call anybody Mexican. It was almost comical.

345 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:57:14pm

re: #340 HoosierHoops

Really? Guess I never heard that..But my point was that I think Mitt will make a choice outside the Box..It won't be the usual suspects..

GAME CHANGE!

346 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:58:50pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

That's what actually makes me think that the earlier-mentioned Paul Ryan might be on the short list. He's young, popular amongst the faithful, and could be played up for his "ideas" that were so popular when his "plan" wasn't. I still remember how, even as his "plan" was being trashed by everybody and their dog, the wingnuts were still praising him for "getting people talking."

Ryan is my "pretty please" VP choice. He will not be able to run for 1st CD in Wisconsin so there is a good chance for a sane representative. Plus the ticket will get curbstomped so hard neither will ever have a real chance in national politics again.

God? Please let that rat bastard Ryan be the GOP VP nominee this year? Thank you from the bottom of my episcopalian heart. I'll light a candle at mass on Sunday, promise! Amen!

347 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 9:59:59pm

re: #343 BongCrodny

Bob McDonnell, maybe?

He's got good approval ratings in Virginia; that likely would lock in Virginia for the GOP.

He's Catholic, but based on Santorum's inroads in some of the southern/midwestern states, that might not be much of a problem.

McDonnell's moderate sheen is gone after the hard social right turn he's taken. Women in VA are pissed at him and the GOP. It's not a blood read state anymore. He was doing fine with a Democratic Legislature, but after the Repubs took over he's let his freak flag fly. I'm guessing VA is due for another realignment in 2012. Like so many other purple states.

348 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:02:45pm

re: #344 moderatelyradicalliberal

I wonder if the Democrats reached out to the Puerto Ricans in a big way, to pay more attention their issues, if they could have that community act as a balance to the Cubans. Admit that we neglected Puerto Rico to a point because of an obsession with Cuba.

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:03:11pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

Between those two, I'd have to lean McDonnell, as he's probably the closest Willard will find to a "moderate" that won't send the base into an uproar. Haley's got baggage along for the ride, such as Caribou Barbie's habit of running up the credit card when somebody else is picking up the bill, as well as her Sikh heritage which will make the "secret Muslim" crowd instantly suspicious.

The odds of a Sikh being a secret Muslim seem vanishingly small...

350 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:03:34pm

re: #347 moderatelyradicalliberal

McDonnell's moderate sheen is gone after the hard social right turn he's taken. Women in VA are pissed at him and the GOP. It's not a blood read state anymore. He was doing fine with a Democratic Legislature, but after the Repubs took over he's let his freak flag fly. I'm guessing VA is due for another realignment in 2012. Like so many other purple states.

Yeah, but he plays well with the Southern crowd. "Confederate History Month," anyone? And while it may piss off the womenfolk, the God-botherers and their ilk will love him for trying to make abortions harder to get, even if he had to "compromise" by making the wanding optional.

351 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:06:25pm

re: #348 ProGunLiberal

I wonder if the Democrats reached out to the Puerto Ricans in a big way, to pay more attention their issues, if they could have that community act as a balance to the Cubans. Admit that we neglected Puerto Rico to a point because of an obsession with Cuba.

Did you get the email about Dr. Landis the foremost expert on Syria is speaking at lunch Friday? I can't make it

352 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:07:29pm

re: #351 HoosierHoops

I had a class with Landis a year or two back. He has an Alawite Wife, which puts him in deeply weird position.

353 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:08:11pm

re: #332 moderatelyradicalliberal

No, I meant what would be the process? Could he actually select a VP candidate before the convention if he isn't the real nominee going into the convention because he doesn't have enough delegates?

these days it is usually a dark, mysterious process that seems to take place during convention week

i've guessed the republican nominee months ahead of time every time but once in the past 20 years, but i have never gotten close to guessing any vp choices

354 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:10:03pm

re: #352 ProGunLiberal

I had a class with Landis a year or two back. He has an Alawite Wife, which puts him in deeply weird position.

What did you think of him? I know he is widely read in many circles including DC.

355 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:11:02pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Yeah, but he plays well with the Southern crowd. "Confederate History Month," anyone? And while it may piss off the womenfolk, the God-botherers and their ilk will love him for trying to make abortions harder to get, even if he had to "compromise" by making the wanding optional.

True, but what's the point in picking a VP that can't win his home state? Willard has two options: Pick someone who can help win a state he needs, like Florida or go with some one who can rile up the base. McDonnell isn't a fire breather or attack dog like Palin is and Obama has a real chance to win VA again anyway. He's got more trouble in Florida. So I'm thinking Rubio even thought he won't help with Hispanics or someone like Haley Barber, who's a good old Southern boy.

356 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:11:51pm

mmmmmm the vp might be a colorless, inoffensive southern or western governor or ex governor demonstrably but not radically to the right of der mitt

357 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:11:54pm

Good night.

358 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:14:01pm

re: #344 moderatelyradicalliberal

Nobody from South Florida that I met seemed to like Cubans and it all seemed to steam from the special treatment they get from the US govt. Even the Puerto Ricans and they are citizens by birth. I really think it's the special treatment thing. Of course if you call a Puerto Rican Dominican they get pissed and if you call Dominicans Haitians they get pissed and if you call Haitians Jamaicans they get pissed. And don't call anybody Mexican. It was almost comical.

if you go to europe historically the germans beat up on the danes who beat up on the swedes who beat up on the finns, who drink a lot and bury themselves under the snow after a good sauna and read the kalavela

359 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:14:15pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

The odds of a Sikh being a secret Muslim seem vanishingly small...

Ha! In grade school, the same year I was stumped by the word "honky", my best friend was from a Sikh family. Heh.

But seeing such an obvious difference between those faiths would mean having to give thoughtful consideration to other religions beyond how they conflict with your own. How many people do that?

360 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:15:48pm

re: #355 moderatelyradicalliberal

True, but what's the point in picking a VP that can't win his home state? Willard has two options: Pick someone who can help win a state he needs, like Florida or go with some one who can rile up the base. McDonnell isn't a fire breather or attack dog like Palin is and Obama has a real chance to win VA again anyway. He's got more trouble in Florida. So I'm thinking Rubio even thought he won't help with Hispanics or someone like Haley Barber, who's a good old Southern boy.

Barbour would work for all of five seconds, until somebody dragged out his bit about not remembering things not being "so bad" growing up as a kid with the White Citizens Council around. Not exactly the smartest thing you could do, when running against a black incumbent president, to have a VP nominee who might as well be wearing a white hood.

361 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:17:53pm

gop vp picks the past 30 years:

elder bush
dan quayle
jack hemp
darth cheney
sarah palin


predictable?

362 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:19:15pm

re: #361 engineer cat

gop vp picks the past 30 years:

elder bush
dan quayle
jack hemp
darth cheney
sarah palin

predictable?

The running theme's the same on both sides: Find somebody who serves as a good "contrast" to the pres nominee. Problem with that this time around is that Romney's switched positions so many times, finding somebody who's his opposite would be damn near impossible.

363 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:20:09pm

re: #361 engineer cat

gop vp picks the past 30 years:

elder bush
dan quayle
jack hemp
darth cheney
sarah palin

predictable?

Liz Cheney! A home run for the GOP...A Cheney back as VP..

364 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:23:08pm

re: #362 Targetpractice

The running theme's the same on both sides: Find somebody who serves as a good "contrast" to the pres nominee. Problem with that this time around is that Romney's switched positions so many times, finding somebody who's his opposite would be damn near impossible.

well preserved mummies rarely change their position on capital gains

365 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:25:48pm

re: #354 HoosierHoops

I think he is very good, if somewhat distractable.

In regards to Syria, I'm not sure if I could completely go along with him. His wife and her family are Alawite. So they are under direct threat if the nation implodes, which could result in the persecution of Alawites and Christians in the nation.

Still, overall positive opinion of him. When is the next event you think you will be at?

366 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:26:17pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

The odds of a Sikh being a secret Muslim seem vanishingly small...

That won't stop the RWNJ morons from making a connection.

367 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:26:20pm

The funny thing about this -- yes one of many -- is that Obama is not a "critical race theory" theorist nor has ever applied any critical race theory in his policies. He's almost the complete opposite and essentially applying standard Democratic Party policy principles as they apply to civil rights.

Ah but that's what you say now! If Obama is re-elected he will enforce nationwide CRITICAL RACE THEORY because he is in fact a racialist if not a racist! He's the true racist here not "our side." Just like he'll take away are gunz!

368 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:27:03pm

re: #366 Lidane

That won't stop the RWNJ morons from making a connection.

"Dark skinned...wear turbans...believe in a different God than mine...must be Muslim!"

369 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:27:43pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

Sikh theology confuses me.

370 elizajane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:28:42pm

re: #304 austin_blue

Oh, I think Mitt's a lock. A badly damaged candidate by the time this thing is over, but a lock. He'll be the BobDole of 2012. Who'll be his sacrificial VP nod?

Rick Perry. Can he possibly have discredited himself too much for even that role? He can be the good southerner, he got booed for being too soft on Latinos, and he'll balance out Mitt's IQ down to something closer to the average GOP voter's.

371 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:29:31pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

The odds of a Sikh being a secret Muslim seem vanishingly small...

Not to them.

372 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:30:23pm

re: #370 elizajane

Anything that gets Goodhair the hell out of Austin faster, the better. Especially if Mitt loses.

373 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:32:50pm

I could actually see Pointy Boots getting the VP nod, as he seemed to be absolutely loved by the base...right up until he smashed their dreams of a Berlin Wall across the US-Mexico border. Still, he's every bit the brain-dead, secessionist goober that they absolutely loved before then.

374 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:33:27pm

vote for Nin Hursag, sumerian-american, for ohio district 9 representative!

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:38:32pm

re: #374 engineer cat

vote for Nin Hursag, sumerian-american, for ohio district 9 representative!

You've obviously been drinking the good stuff. The only thing about that which offends me is the fact that you have not shared.

376 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:38:57pm

re: #365 ProGunLiberal

I think he is very good, if somewhat distractable.

In regards to Syria, I'm not sure if I could completely go along with him. His wife and her family are Alawite. So they are under direct threat if the nation implodes, which could result in the persecution of Alawites and Christians in the nation.

Still, overall positive opinion of him. When is the next event you think you will be at?

Well..What I read about him he is quite the distinguished OU Prof..I read a little about him eating lunch in my cube today..IIRC he has like million people that read his newsletter?
I have a new GF..So Probably in April for a lunch..This is kind of funny..
I am head over heels yet..We have never once talked politics..Not one word..We have talked about everything else and that is our reality..
It is very refreshing. But you know..I have to know..Does she even vote?
Is politics ever going to be a subject? or Taboo? Is she Ann Coulter with Red Hair or the hot activist's GF in the American President?

377 Lidane  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:40:27pm
378 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:40:59pm

re: #377 Lidane

Hamid Karzai backs clerics' move to limit Afghan women's rights

Why are we still over there again?

Because we didn't learn our lesson after Vietnam?

379 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:46:07pm

re: #377 Lidane

The way we handled the war earlier on has doomed us now.

Time to go. We will end up bringing the Hazara back with us.

380 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:52:30pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

I can deal with differences in Politics. The real test will be...Apple Products. If I find someone (or the person I am thinking of right now would be willing to have a relationship), I will have to hope they are flexible to move over Android and Windows.

I hate Apple with an unholy passion. If someone mentions Apple around me, I will launch into a 10+ minute rant.

381 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:54:47pm

re: #380 ProGunLiberal

I can deal with differences in Politics. The real test will be...Apple Products. If I find someone (or the person I am thinking of right now would be willing to have a relationship), I will have to hope they are flexible to move over Android and Windows.

I hate Apple with an unholy passion. If someone mentions Apple around me, I will launch into a 10+ minute rant.

huh

usually this philosophical issue runs the other way round

382 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:56:00pm

re: #380 ProGunLiberal

I can deal with differences in Politics. The real test will be...Apple Products. If I find someone (or the person I am thinking of right now would be willing to have a relationship), I will have to hope they are flexible to move over Android and Windows.

I hate Apple with an unholy passion. If someone mentions Apple around me, I will launch into a 10+ minute rant.

I'm flexible when it comes to Apple. I won't own a Mac, but I like iPods and iPads too much to give them up.

383 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:56:23pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Just a little obscure bug in the Javascript code, introduced with a recent change.

There's somewhat perverse satisfaction to be gained from knowing immediately, and being able to fix immediately, a software problem that you created yourself. It's almost like, "Sure I broke it, but look how fast I could fix it. I must really know my stuff."

384 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:58:16pm

javascript

i wanna code in pajamascript

385 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:00:08pm

re: #383 Mentis Fugit

There's somewhat perverse satisfaction to be gained from knowing immediately, and being able to fix immediately, a software problem that you created yourself. It's almost like, "Sure I broke it, but look how fast I could fix it. I must really know my stuff."

what language(s) do you work in?

386 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:01:18pm

re: #382 Targetpractice

I might have learn flexibility on this. I absolutely won't buy Apple. Windows has always served me well, and are easy to repair. And I just like Google more.

The only thing is the Music. I absolutely refuse to give Apple money, but they have songs in their library that are hard to find. I just wish the songs were cheaper there.

387 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:07:17pm

re: #385 engineer cat

what language(s) do you work in?

Punch cards.

388 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:11:40pm

re: #386 ProGunLiberal

I might have learn flexibility on this. I absolutely won't buy Apple. Windows has always served me well, and are easy to repair. And I just like Google more.

The only thing is the Music. I absolutely refuse to give Apple money, but they have songs in their library that are hard to find. I just wish the songs were cheaper there.

I've come to accept Apple to a degree, mostly because of the ease of using it for things like tablets and smart phones/MP3 players. I've come to love Windows 7 in recent weeks, but that's only because I haven't had my first major issue yet. I'm sure as soon as that happens, I'll be back to cursing the name of Bill Gates.

389 freetoken  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:29:19pm

re: #387 Varek Raith

Punch cards.

What? Throw switches too old fashioned for you or something?

390 simoom  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:34:07pm

Dave Weigel reads "Space Traders" looking into recent RW claims about the story: "The Aliens and the Jews"

Bell's story takes place during the countdown period between the aliens' offer and the deadline to make good on it. On January 1 (the anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, of course), the aliens set the deadline. On January 8, there's a "mammoth" rally against the blacks-for-prosperity alien deal at Madison Square Garden, led by a character named Rabbi Abraham Specter.

"We simply cannot stand by and allow America's version of the Final Solution to its race problem to be carried out without our strong protest and committed opposition." Thirty-five thousand Jews signed pledges to disrupt by all possible nonviolent means both the referendum and-if the amendment was ratified-the selection of blacks for 'special service.'

"Already," Rabbi Specter announced, "a secret Anne Frank Committee has formed, and its hundreds of members have begun to locate hiding places in out of the way sites across this great country. Blacks by the thousands can be hidden for years if necessary until the nation returns to its senses.

"We vow this action because we recognize the fateful parallel between the plight of the blacks in this country and the situation of the Jews in Nazi Germany. Holocaust scholars agree that the Final Solution in Germany would not have been possible without the pervasive presence and the uninterrupted tradition of anti-Semitism in Germany. We must not let the space Traders be the final solution for blacks in America."

On January 9, "responding almost immediately to the Jewish anti-Trade rally," the attorney general -- no last name, but presumably a goy -- cracks down.

[H]e was releasing for publication the secret list, obtained by undercover FBI agents, of all those who had joined the Anne Frank Committee. He stated that the release was needed so that all Americans could easily distinguish this group from the majority of patriotic and law-abiding Jewish citizens.

Retaliation was quick. Within hours, men and women listed as belonging to the committee lost their jobs; their contracts were canceled; their mortgages foreclosed; and harassment of them, including physical violence, escalated into a nationwide resurgence of anti-Semitic feeling. Groups on the far right, who were exploiting the growing support for the Trade, urged: "Send the blacks into space. Send the Jews into Hell." The Jews who opposed the Trade were intimidated into silence and inaction. The leaders of Rabbi Specter's group were themselves forced into hiding, leaving few able to provide any haven for blacks.

391 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:37:38pm

re: #389 freetoken

What? Throw switches too old fashioned for you or something?

392 simoom  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:45:33pm

re: #390 simoom

Just to be clear, Weigel is rebutting the claim (that's so far aired on multiple cable news networks, coming from RW talking heads), that in Bell's story Jewish Americans just stood by as African Americans were offered up. The opposite appears to occur in the story, where the Jewish community leads the public opposition & a resistance movement in solidarity with AA's.

393 Gus  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:45:57pm

re: #390 simoom

Dave Weigel reads "Space Traders" looking into recent RW claims about the story: "The Aliens and the Jews"

On January 9, "responding almost immediately to the Jewish anti-Trade rally," the attorney general -- no last name, but presumably a goy -- cracks down.

Dave provides a fair treatment of this:

Pollak's shorthand of this: Bell imagined a black holocaust-of-sorts in which the "Jews would stand by and let it happen." I don't think that's a fair reading of the story at all. You could argue that Bell's story is anti-white, as loaded as that term is. But "anti-Semitic" is a nuclear-strength term to hurl at a guy. Does it fit? Not if this is the evidence.

394 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:47:29pm

re: #392 simoom

It is a work of fiction and subject to other rules of interpretation than a political treatise or an editorial piece.

But we are dealing with people who still think the Old Testament is a science textbook...

395 simoom  Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:51:59pm

re: #393 Gus

Dave provides a fair treatment of this:

I thought Conor Friedersdorf's write-up was decent too: "The Sci-Fi Story That Offends Oversensitive White Conservatives"

Had white Americans swiftly repudiated the alien offer due to their basic decency and lack of racism, the story wouldn't be controversial, so I trust I am not spoiling anything by revealing that isn't how things go in the piece. Bell has a rather dark view of human nature -- see The Lottery for another dark exploration of a similar theme -- and can you blame him? He was born in 1930 and spent his early career helping to desegregate swimming pools and schools over the objections of racists who wanted to keep them segregated. And he was later forced to resign from the Justice Department for the transgression of refusing to give up his NAACP membership.

I don't really understand what the conservatives who conclude from this story that he is a racist are talking about. In fact, he seemed to think, circa 1992, that a majority of whites still harbored complicated but ultimately racist attitudes toward blacks. If the aliens came to America today, their ships loaded with gold, I don't think America would agree to sell them its black residents if it went to majority vote. I am less certain how a referendum on Muslims would go. America would certainly have sold aliens citizens of Japanese ancestry in 1941. And also Native Americans at various points throughout our history.

Those objecting to "The Space Traders" would do well to acknowledge that for many decades of American history, including years during Professor Bell's life, a majority of Americans would have voted in favor of trading blacks for fantastic wealth, unlimited energy, and an end to pollutants. I wonder, if God could run the hypotheticals for us, and Americans were forced to wager $1,000 of their own money, what year they'd choose as the first when blacks would win the referendum. I'd be curious for an answer from Diane Ellis, who seems to think that the story is deplorable and evidence of Bell's alleged racism. I'd say it's evidence that his experiences made him understandably pessimistic about how racial majorities will treat racial minorities given the right circumstances. To label someone as a racist for honesty conveying his dark view of human nature is the sort of politically correct, reductive stifling of speech that conservatives are supposed to stand against.

396 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:12:43am

I recall reading that the Iranian government issued a note of protest about the film "300" for its portrayal of the Persians.

It was a film for chrissakes, one based on a comic book.

But then I recalled that some people take cartoons very, very seriously...

397 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:14:30am

re: #395 simoom

I thought Conor Friedersdorf's write-up was decent too: "The Sci-Fi Story That Offends Oversensitive White Conservatives"

The last sentence is key:

To label someone as a racist for honesty conveying his dark view of human nature is the sort of politically correct, reductive stifling of speech that conservatives are supposed to stand against.

Until I read it I can't make my own judgement. Right now it seems rather obscure. The back and interaction between black communities and Jewish communities is of course a very old one. Everyone in the right wing now is trigger happy and frequently quick to stifle all dialogue accusations of anti-Semitism.

I admired Hitchens however I didn't always agree with everything he had to say or write. The same is true with other authors or thinkers. It's quite a stretch to try and attach an obscure work of fiction by Derrick Bell to Obama. It's pretty obvious cherry picking by the usual suspects.

In the end the blacks are sent off to a foreign planets as slaves in this story. The reality for most black Americans is that their ancestors were sold to foreigners and brought to the USA on slave ships to suffer in disease, hunger and death.

398 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:16:01am

re: #396 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I recall reading that the Iranian government issued a note of protest about the film "300" for its portrayal of the Persians.

It was a film for chrissakes, one based on a comic book.

But then I recalled that some people take cartoons very, very seriously...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

399 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:16:09am

re: #397 Gus

The reality for most black Americans is that their ancestors were sold to foreigners and brought to the USA on slave ships to suffer in disease, hunger and death.

Typical liberal: blaming white people for everything.

/

400 simoom  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:16:56am

One more blogpost I just read on the "Space Traders"/Anti-Semitism claims (and then I'm off to bed):

[Link: studentactivism.net...]

In Space Traders, American Jews are among the leading opponents to the plan to trade away the country’s black population. Bell quotes a fictional rabbi as saying that people of faith

“Simply cannot stand by and allow America’s version of the Final Solution to its race problem to be carried out without our strong protest and committed opposition. Already … a secret Anne Frank Committee has formed, and its hundreds of members have begun to locate hiding places in out of the way sites across this great country. Blacks by the thousands can be hidden for years if necessary until the nation returns to its senses. We vow this action because we recognize the fateful parallel between the plight of the blacks in this country and the situation of the Jews in Nazi Germany. Holocaust scholars agree that the Final Solution in Germany would not have been possible without the pervasive presence and the uninterrupted tradition of anti-Semitism in Germany. We must not let the space Traders be the final solution for blacks in America.”

Bell never suggests that this speech is dishonest or maliciously motivated. He portrays American Jews as flocking to the rabbi’s call, and as suffering legal persecution, economic retaliation, and antisemitic abuse as a result.

But what of Kosinski’s quote, which he says demonstrates that Bell “derisively” regards all of the above as “hypocrisy” and craven self-interest? Well, you can read the relevant passage for yourself:

“A concern of many Jews not contained in their official condemnations of the Trade offer was that, in the absence of blacks, Jews could become the scapegoats for a system so reliant on an identifiable group on whose heads less-well-off whites can discharge their hate and frustrations for societal disabilities about which they are unwilling to confront their leaders. Given the German experience, few Jews argued that ‘it couldn’t happen here.’”

Bell doesn’t describe Jewish concern for blacks as a sham, nor does he characterize their concern about antisemitism as “tawdry self-interest.” He depicts Jewish opponents of the trade as motivated both by sincere empathy for blacks and by legitimate worries about antisemitism.

Derrick Bell was a pessimist. He believed that those who thought the country’s racial woes were in its past were dangerously deluded, and Space Traders was an expression of that perspective. A fair reading of the text makes it absolutely clear that he saw American Jews, like American blacks, as victims of the country’s white supremacist ideology, and that he viewed their fear of becoming targets of bigotry as entirely reasonable. The story is a slavery allegory, but it is a Holocaust allegory as well.

There’s nothing antisemitic in the piece. Nothing at all.

401 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:19:19am

re: #400 simoom

"There’s nothing antisemitic in the piece. Nothing at all."

Yes there is. There are passages that can be taken out of context (like a Shirley Sherrod speech or an Obama campaign speech) and presented to portray the exact opposite of what the author/speaker intended.

That is all in the great agitprop tradition.

402 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:27:51am

re: #396 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I found out that law in regards to Marijuana in Iran:

Growing cannabis is legal if planted for food purposes as the seeds are eaten by the Iranian people, and companies often draw oil from the seeds which is sold legally. A person is allowed to carry up to 15g of cannabis legally; for every gram above they will be charged 10000 Rials.

10,000 Rials is equal to..... 88 Cents. No, seriously. That has got to be the least menacing punishment in history.

403 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:28:04am

Obama is still ahead of all GOP candidates in an Israeli/Jewish poll:

The survey also polled Jewish Israelis’ feelings on the US presidential race, with respondents preferring President Barack Obama to all his Republican rivals.

Overall, among Israeli Jews, Obama led Santorum 34% to 21%, Gingrich 31% to 27%, Paul 34% to 24%, and Romney 32% to 29%.

The comments of course is riddled with the usual wingnut trash that can't come to grips with an ever changing world.

404 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:30:40am

It's the Republican's favorite wedge issue.

405 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:34:06am

re: #402 ProGunLiberal

I found out that law in regards to Marijuana in Iran:

10,000 Rials is equal to... 88 Cents. No, seriously. That has got to be the least menacing punishment in history.

Depends on how many Rials one earns a day.

406 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:36:30am

Last week a lot of these same people were lamenting the loss of Pat Buchanan from MSNBC.

407 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:42:21am

re: #402 ProGunLiberal

I found out that law in regards to Marijuana in Iran:

10,000 Rials is equal to... 88 Cents. No, seriously. That has got to be the least menacing punishment in history.

Explains why they are so heavily into comic books...

btw, what is the law on alcohol possession/consumption/production?

408 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:49:11am

Exclusive!

409 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:52:45am

OK. I uploaded the forward to Documents of American Prejudice An Anthology of Writings on Race from Thomas Jefferson to David Duke which was written by Derrick Bell:

Foreword: Healing Branches on a Tainted Tree

It begins:

I AM NOT SURE MY HARD-WORKING PARENTS or family members
knew about any of the racist tracts republished in Documents of Amer-
ican Prejudice, but then they didn't need to read about what they expe-
rienced every day. There were few, if any, Jim Crow signs when I grew
up in Pittsburgh during the 1930s and 1940s, but every black person
knew where they could not go to eat, or dance, or swim. They knew the
neighborhoods where they had to reside, and they filled the low-paying,
dead-end, "n***** work" jobs reserved for persons like themselves.
Racial subordination with varying dollops of overt bias marked their lives
in indelible ways that they could survive but never overcome.

Even back then, though, my mother was able to bring a measure of
encouragement to despairing dinner discussions of racist practices with
the reminder: "If there were no good white people, all we black folks
would be dead." On the national scene, she could refer to Eleanor
Roosevelt. Closer to home there was the friendly Jewish grocer who ex-
tended credit as needed, the wealthy white family who helped and en-
couraged my uncle in his desire to study medicine, and some few whites
with whom our dealings were marked by courtesy and at least the outer
trappings of respect...

410 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:02:38am

re: #409 Gus

OK. I uploaded the forward to Documents of American Prejudice An Anthology of Writings on Race from Thomas Jefferson to David Duke which was written by Derrick Bell:

Foreword: Healing Branches on a Tainted Tree

It begins:

This is interesting -- ironic perhaps -- considering Dershowitz's endorsement of Joel Pollak:

The chasm of difference in racial perspective discussed by Professor Alan Dershowitz (p. 349) in the context of the O. J. Simpson case remains, but there are more and more whites who because of their contacts with people of color in a wide variety of work and social situations are able to recognize the advantages of whiteness for those who have it and sense the difficulties faced by those who don't.

411 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:07:47am

Better get some shut-eye.

Later.

412 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:15:00am

Terror indictment unveiled for Norway massacre

OSLO, Norway (AP) — Anders Behring Breivik was indicted Wednesday on terror and murder charges for slaying 77 people in a bomb and shooting rampage, but prosecutors said the confessed killer likely won't go to prison for Norway's worst peacetime massacre.

Prosecutors said they consider the 33-year-old right-wing extremist psychotic and will seek a sentence of involuntary commitment to psychiatric care instead of imprisonment, unless new information about his mental health emerges during the trial set to start in April.

If I understand their laws correctly, if he was being committed for psychiatric reasons, that would effectively imprison him as long as he was deemed insane.

413 researchok  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:16:53am

Morning, all

414 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:19:16am

Elite hacker arrested in NY cooperated from Day 1

He was arrested at 10:15 p.m. By the next day, federal prosecutors had told a judge that Monsegur had given them detailed information on other hackers suspected of breaking into the computer systems at several big corporations.

"Since literally the day he was arrested, the defendant has been cooperating with the government proactively," Assistant U.S. Attorney James Pastore told a judge in New York during a secret court session for Monsegur on Aug. 5. Over the past few months, the prosecutor said: "The defendant has literally worked around the clock with federal agents. He has been staying up sometimes all night engaging in conversations with co-conspirators that are helping the government to build cases against those co-conspirators."

That cooperation resulted in the arrests of five other alleged hackers this week in Ireland, Scotland, England and the U.S., a takedown that stunned fellow Internet saboteurs known for prizing anonymity and a culture of resistance.

Anon is a joke, and this is the punchline.

415 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:22:53am

Terrible nightmares all night long! Whoo-hoo, PTSD rules!

416 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:24:33am

re: #414 Kragar

Elite hacker arrested in NY cooperated from Day 1

Anon is a joke, and this is the punchline.

The concept of anonymity on the internet, as it applies to legal stuff, is also a bit of a joke. It's like saying you're anonymous in real life is you use a fake name and wear a disguise.

417 boxhead  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:50:02am

re: #415 Obdicut

feeling you..... praying for you as well....

418 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:04:10am

It's morning.

Hormones suck.

How are you?

419 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:18:28am

re: #412 Kragar

Terror indictment unveiled for Norway massacre

If I understand their laws correctly, if he was being committed for psychiatric reasons, that would effectively imprison him as long as he was deemed insane.

as long as he is put away for as long as he poses a danger, which I suspect will mean for life.

420 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:23:03am

OT: need to quit drinking?
drop acid!

421 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:42:38am

Segovia:

422 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:59:21am

I was hoping for some Jefferson Airplane or Grateful Dead...I am trying to quit drinking. Peace, man!

423 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:06:49am
424 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:13:50am

re: #420 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

OT: need to quit drinking?
drop acid!

My Grand dad told me, "Don't drink water 'cause fish fuck in it."

425 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:21:39am

There was a time, not that long ago, when you did not drink well water from any urban area: it was just too polluted. You boiled it for tea or brewed it into beer.

426 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:30:34am

" If you visit American city, You will find it very pretty
Just two things you must beware
Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air."
-Tom Lehrer

427 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:31:45am

re: #426 EdDantes

" If you visit American city, You will find it very pretty
Just two things you must beware
Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air."
-Tom Lehrer

written at a time when the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland and the Calumet River in Gary used to regularly catch fire...

428 KronoGhazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:34:57am

Sen Inhofe says the Bible refutes climate change.

Eliason: Senator, we’re going to talk about your book for a minute, you state in your book which by the way is called The Greatest Hoax, you state in your book that one of your favorite Bible verses, Genesis 8:22, ‘while the earth remaineth seed time and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease,’ what is the significance of these verses to this issue?

Inhofe: Well actually the Genesis 8:22 that I use in there is that ‘as long as the earth remains there will be seed time and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night,’ my point is, God’s still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous.

429 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:36:58am

More anti-abortion lunacy from one of America's leading lunatic asylums, the Arizona State Legislature:

AZ doctors allowed to lie to women about pre-natal problems

430 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:38:03am

re: #89 Meh.

Rachel just showed a clip of a 55 year old marine who refused to show his ID in TN and couldn't vote. He did it as a protest. I don't care if he's a Republican or Democrat, the man's a damn hero.

In Tennessee, you can't buy beer, unless you show a *valid* driver's license, to the cashier. Doesn't matter if you're obviously over 21.

Wine & Liquor stores (which by law can't sell less than 5% alcohol beer), there is no such requirement. If you look over 21, no ID necessary.

"Doan want no illegals buying no beer in Tennessee. Wine and liquor is OK."

Or proof of which merchant group has the better lobbyists.

431 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:40:12am

re: #427 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

written at a time when the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland and the Calumet River in Gary used to regularly catch fire...

Yes. It is difficult to imagine that occurred so recently in our history. At one time a few hundred years ago the Thames was virtually dead and smelled like an outhouse.

432 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:40:29am

re: #430 BeenHereAwhile

In Tennessee, you can't buy beer, unless you show a *valid* driver's license, to the cashier. Doesn't matter if you're obviously over 21.

Wine & Liquor stores (which by law can't sell less than 5% alcohol beer), there is no such requirement. If you look over 21, no ID necessary.

"Doan want no illegals buying no beer in Tennessee. Wine and liquor is OK."

Or proof of which merchant group has the better lobbyists.

We could put an end to this discussion by simply instituting a National Voter ID card system. It should be free of charge and easily available to all citizens.

But if the 2000 Florida fiasco was not enough to get us to reform our national election system, then what sort of national electoral disaster will it take?

433 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:42:48am

re: #431 EdDantes

Yes. It is difficult to imagine that occurred so recently in our history. At one time a few hundred years ago the Thames was virtually dead and smelled like an outhouse.

The Middle Rhine was home to the finest salmon in Europe. They had all died out by 1935 due to pollution, dams and channelization of the river.

So in a wierd irony of fate, the lachs disappeared about the time that the bagels disappeared...

Good news is that they are finally starting to return.

434 KronoGhazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:32:56am

Newest Nontroversy: Giving Away US Sovereignty Edition

Breitbart.com: Panetta: 'International Permission’ Trumps Congressional Permission For Military Actions

The source of the video is Senator Jeff Session's office, and surprise... there's an edit in the video. Even with the edited video it's strained to take the exchange between Sessions and Panetta as supporting the headline 'International Permission’ Trumps Congressional Permission For Military Actions.' But after viewing the original video from C-SPAN minus the edit, it's clear that Panetta did not speak of giving away any US sovereignty at all. The key exchange starts just before the 2 hour mark.

Panetta is merely for building consensus working with other nations and groups, which means asking permission, which means we're a bunch of UN wussies.

435 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:37:48am

re: #434 Kronocide

Panetta is merely for building consensus working with other nations and groups, which means asking permission, which means we're a bunch of UN wussies.

This is not about news or information, it is all about confirming preconceived notions: that Obama is an Internationalist, Socialist, Muslim, Kenyan, etc...

436 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:39:48am

re: #400 simoom

Responding almost immediately to the Jewish anti-Trade rally, the Attorney General expressed his “grave
concern” that what he felt certain was but a small group of Jews would, by acting in flagrant violation of the law of the land,
besmirch the good names of all patriotic American Jews. For this reason, he said, he was releasing for publication the secret
list, obtained by undercover FBI agents, of all those who had joined the Anne Frank Committee. He stated that the release
was needed so that all Americans could easily distinguish this group from the majority of patriotic and law-abiding Jewish
citizens. Retaliation was quick. Within hours, men and women listed as belonging to the committee lost their jobs; their
contracts were canceled; their mortgages foreclosed; and harassment of them, including physical violence, escalated into a
nationwide resurgence of anti-Semitic feeling. Groups on the far right, who were exploiting the growing support for the
Trade, urged: “Send the blacks into space. Send the Jews into Hell.” The Jews who opposed the Trade were intimidated into
silence and inaction. The leaders of Rabbi Specter’s group were themselves forced into hiding, leaving few able to provide
any haven for blacks.

437 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:43:07am

re: #436 Creeping Diversity

Speculative fiction. Fantastic stuff. Love it: Robert Heinlein, Phillip K. Dick, Frank Herbert, The Apocalypse of St. John...

438 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:43:42am

Shit like this has got to stop.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

A drug task force turned a young man into an informant after he was busted for selling eight methadone pills, then failed to protect him from a dealer he snitched on, who shot him to death after announcing his intention to do so, the man's family claims in a lawsuit against Wahkiakum County.

"Although Jeremy had participated in thirteen sting operations resulting in the arrests of five area drug dealers and although Jeremy's confidential identity was becoming compromised, NTF refused to release Jeremy from his obligation, citing a technicality in the contract's language to perpetually force Jeremy's participation in more escalating and dangerous stings. Eventually, Jeremy was able to help NTF arrest and charge a major heroin distributor, William Vance Reagan, for manufacturing and selling heroin.

"After one day behind bars, Reagan was released on bail and immediately returned to a life of crime, returned [to] using and selling heroin, and publicly announced his intent to kill Jeremy for cooperating with NTF. Reagan even solicited members of the community to help him kill Jeremy. Jeremy notified NTF and its agents of the death threats from Reagan, but NTF misrepresented the known dangers of confidential informant work and provided empty promises of protection from William Reagan. In fact, NTF did nothing to either shield Jeremy from the known danger or re-arrest Reagan for his multiple violations of his pre-trial release order. As a result, Reagan ambushed Jeremy on December 29, 2008 and shot him three times in the back of the head, and once, a final, close-range shot, in the face, gruesomely ending Jeremy McLean's young life.

I realize police need Confidential Informants. But it's a two-way street. It's not slavery.

439 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:46:04am

re: #400 simoom

As for why the question of antisemitism arose: I think what rubs some people the wrong way is how this concern of "many Jews" about becoming the next scapegoats appears in the text as an unstated, ulterior motive. It is thus ambiguous and allows both for an innocent interpretation, as expressed above, and a negative interpretation ("many Jews were acting only in self-interest, this is why this was left unstated").

440 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:49:20am

My mind is a raging torrent flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Good night all.

441 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:50:24am

re: #435 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

This is not about news or information, it is all about confirming preconceived notions: that Obama is an Internationalist, Socialist, Muslim, Kenyan, etc...

Pretty much. They seem convinced that it's the "difference" between Bush's philosophy and his, that the former believed that Congress had the final say on whether the US went to war and any nations who didn't support us needed to get out of our way, while Obama believes that the UN has the final say and that he's snubbing Congress' authority to cozy up to his "internationalist" buddies.

442 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:50:28am

re: #439 Creeping Diversity

And yet people piously repeat:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Which is a more obvious statement of self-interest.

There's nothing wrong with recognizing that, as a minority, your self-interest lies in helping other minorities against a common oppressor. It may not be as fiercely noble as doing it all for JUSTICE but it's not a bad reason.

443 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:50:48am

re: #440 EdDantes

My mind is a raging torrent flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Ditto!

444 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:54:11am

re: #438 Obdicut

Two ways to see drug addicts:

They are sick and need to be treated

or

They are criminals and deserve what they get.

Which one is cheaper (at least in the short term)?

445 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:58:16am

re: #414 Kragar

Elite hacker arrested in NY cooperated from Day 1


Anon is a joke, and this is the punchline.

Of course the other approach is that he was told "If you don't cooperate fully we'll simply say that you did and scoop up a bunch of people anyways right after we put you back out on the street."
//

446 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:59:02am

re: #418 ggt

It's morning.

Hormones suck.

How are you?

Coming down with a cold on Friday. :p

At least I don't have to come into work tomorrow.

447 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:01:01am

re: #425 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

There was a time, not that long ago, when you did not drink well water from any urban area: it was just too polluted. You boiled it for tea or brewed it into beer.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yep. People dying for science. (Actually science resulting from someone noticing a pattern in how people were dying.)

448 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:02:38am

re: #427 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

written at a time when the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland and the Calumet River in Gary used to regularly catch fire...

And Pittsburgh still has a bit of a "Smoky City" reputation as well. Which is one reason I joke that it's one of the best kept secrets in the East that it's generally a pretty good place to live or work in.

449 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:04:26am

re: #432 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

We could put an end to this discussion by simply instituting a National Voter ID card system. It should be free of charge and easily available to all citizens.

But if the 2000 Florida fiasco was not enough to get us to reform our national election system, then what sort of national electoral disaster will it take?

Maybe the goal of all the state-driven initiatives isn't to make it easy for everyone to vote, have you considered that?

450 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:10:23am

(Stein mode)
Bueller? Bueller?
(/Stein mode)

451 KronoGhazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:10:32am

Rush's Slutgate legacy:

Rush did nothing wrong but The Left does it too.

452 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:13:04am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the bitterly cold wild north country. The good news is, this should be the end of the bitter cold for at least the next week. I'll miss it, but honestly, it's springtime now, let's get on with the show.

453 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:37:14am

re: #452 thedopefishlives

The grackles have been going crazy lately.

454 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:39:04am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

It's because Pat can't find any Biblical reason to be upset about pot.

His bible already gave it to us.

Genesis 1:29
Young's Literal Translation
And God saith, 'Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food;

456 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:56:47am

re: #454 RayFerd

His bible already gave it to us.

Genesis 1:29
Young's Literal Translation
And God saith, 'Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food;

I think Pat is cranky all the time because someone took his juniper berries.

457 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:58:37am

re: #453 Obdicut

The grackles have been going crazy lately.

The what?

458 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:02:56am

re: #457 thedopefishlives

The what?

Fictional bird, about as real as the wild haggis.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

:)

459 BongGhazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:03:36am

re: #440 EdDantes

My mind is a raging torrent flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Good night all.

Me, too.

My mind is a raving torment flooded with riblets of thought parading into a whatever of cremative altercations.

I was never very good at that gossip game, though.

460 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:05:01am

re: #459 BongCrodny

Me, too.

My mind is a raving torment flooded with riblets of thought parading into a whatever of cremative alterations.

I was never very good at that gossip game, though.

Do you know where Froggie is though?

461 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:05:58am

re: #458 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Fictional bird, about as real as the wild haggis.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

:)

Funny you should bring up fictional creatures. I've gotten hooked on JREF over the last week, and have been indulging myself in reading through debunkings of various popular conspiracy theories. I'm such a geek.

462 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:07:04am

re: #453 Obdicut

The grackles have been going crazy lately.

That something Luna Lovegood made up?

463 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:07:18am

re: #171 Meh.

Usually only when they vote...

Well, Ashcroft did lose an election to one.

464 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:08:19am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

Funny you should bring up fictional creatures. I've gotten hooked on JREF over the last week, and have been indulging myself in reading through debunkings of various popular conspiracy theories. I'm such a geek.

Just 'cause the famous Nessie photograph has been debunked doesn't mean there isn't really a family of pleosaurs in that loch!

465 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:08:23am

re: #462 Tigger2005

Grackles are very real little bastards.

466 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:10:07am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

Funny you should bring up fictional creatures. I've gotten hooked on JREF over the last week, and have been indulging myself in reading through debunkings of various popular conspiracy theories. I'm such a geek.

I've been doing the Arthurian RPG thing. Lots of fun fictional animals in that one - especially some of the heraldic ones like the yale.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

English folklore animals are fun to work with. Especially the various types of black dogs (Hound of the Baskervilles class stuff).

And on a trip to the strange and odd north the knights did encounter the wild haggis. :)

467 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:11:40am

re: #465 Obdicut

Grackles are very real little bastards.

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My mother (and her mother) hated starlings with a passion. Didn't carry over to the common grackle for some reason.

468 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:12:29am

re: #467 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Grackles will divebomb your damn face. They're fearless.

469 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:18:08am

re: #467 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My mother (and her mother) hated starlings with a passion. Didn't carry over to the common grackle for some reason.

When I lived in Northwest Indiana, we had a house with real wood siding. This, of course, made excellent sport for woodpeckers. Unfortunately for us, woodpeckers are a protected species and can't simply be eliminated. Matters came to a head when one plucky young bird drilled out a knot in one of the siding boards and through the plywood paneling, exposing the insulation. Needless to say, a way was quickly found to drive the bird off.

470 BongGhazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:18:22am

Headline at AOL this morning:

"Man Killed, Dismembered Dad Kills Self."

I would humbly suggest that whoever wrote that headline should be slapped in the face.

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:20:38am

re: #470 BongCrodny

Headline at AOL this morning:

I would humbly suggest that whoever wrote that headline should be slapped in the face.

Such a series of unfortunate events. First a man is killed, then a dismembered dad kills himself. What a world we live in!

472 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:22:37am

re: #221 ggt

This is my favorite!

Reminds me of a definition I read a long time ago:

Stress: When the mind overrides the body's need to beat the shit out of someone that desperately needs it.

473 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:23:05am

re: #470 BongCrodny

Jeremiah Berry told police that he killed his father after being raped by him. Before the rape, he said his father claimed God told him that his son needed a sex change in order to become his wife.

474 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:23:51am

re: #469 thedopefishlives

When I lived in Northwest Indiana, we had a house with real wood siding. This, of course, made excellent sport for woodpeckers. Unfortunately for us, woodpeckers are a protected species and can't simply be eliminated. Matters came to a head when one plucky young bird drilled out a knot in one of the siding boards and through the plywood paneling, exposing the insulation. Needless to say, a way was quickly found to drive the bird off.

Yellow-bellied Sapsuckers pound on something to make noise as a territory claim. One at my brother's house discovered the propane tank.
Bong Bong Bong
Bong Bong Bong
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

475 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:28:37am

re: #469 thedopefishlives

When I lived in Northwest Indiana, we had a house with real wood siding. This, of course, made excellent sport for woodpeckers. Unfortunately for us, woodpeckers are a protected species and can't simply be eliminated. Matters came to a head when one plucky young bird drilled out a knot in one of the siding boards and through the plywood paneling, exposing the insulation. Needless to say, a way was quickly found to drive the bird off.

Good thing that wasn't a heraldic woodpecker. Or all the nails would have fallen out of the house.
;)

476 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:29:02am

Oh, this is good (scroll down):

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...]

477 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:29:25am

re: #475 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Good thing that wasn't a heraldic woodpecker. Or all the nails would have fallen out of the house.
;)

House? What house?

;)

478 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:31:38am

Happy Friday!

I was up late at the Jon Lovitz Comedy Club. I was there to video a clients show. While waiting for his act, some rookie could not take some light heckling and spent the last couple minutes of his now aborted career in comedy actually threatening a table of guests. Including the son of Jason Alexander, who is a pal of Lovitz. When the guy left the stage he actually went for one of the customers for a fight. Needless to say staff kept him away. Nasty scene there for a bit.

Now, do I delete or youtube the video?

479 BongGhazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:31:48am

re: #473 Creeping Diversity

Jeremiah Berry told police that he killed his father after being raped by him. Before the rape, he said his father claimed God told him that his son needed a sex change in order to become his wife.

I think I would have had a hard time giving the kid even the three years that he got.

480 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:34:11am

re: #478 Daniel Ballard

Yoootube.

481 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:34:40am

re: #479 BongCrodny

He should have gone to a psychiatric institution instead. It's one thing to kill in a state of affect, but the rest of it is just eww.

482 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:41:25am

re: #480 Obdicut

Yoootube.

Heh.
Well the language used is "colorful" enough. Never seen the F bomb used in a carpet bombing way before. I don't want to show the club in a bad light. Just the (hopefully) ex comedian.

483 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:42:57am

re: #482 Daniel Ballard

Heh.
Well the language used is "colorful" enough. Never seen the F bomb used in a carpet bombing way before. I just don't want to show the club in a bad light. Just the (hopefully) ex comedian.

That's what's known as a "cluster F bomb".

484 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:44:41am

re: #478 Daniel Ballard

You need to ask, dude?!
YT!

485 darthstar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:48:47am

re: #478 Daniel Ballard

Happy Friday!

I was up late at the Jon Lovitz Comedy Club. I was there to video a clients show. While waiting for his act, some rookie could not take some light heckling and spent the last couple minutes of his now aborted career in comedy actually threatening a table of guests. Including the son of Jason Alexander, who is a pal of Lovitz. When the guy left the stage he actually went for one of the customers for a fight. Needless to say staff kept him away. Nasty scene there for a bit.

Now, do I delete or youtube the video?

YouTube!

486 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:50:39am

re: #478 Daniel Ballard

Happy Friday!

I was up late at the Jon Lovitz Comedy Club. I was there to video a clients show. While waiting for his act, some rookie could not take some light heckling and spent the last couple minutes of his now aborted career in comedy actually threatening a table of guests. Including the son of Jason Alexander, who is a pal of Lovitz. When the guy left the stage he actually went for one of the customers for a fight. Needless to say staff kept him away. Nasty scene there for a bit.

Now, do I delete or youtube the video?

I vote youtube. That's the sort of thing that could go viral. People love that stuff.

487 darthstar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:51:48am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

I vote youtube. That's the sort of thing that could go viral. People love that stuff.

And the comedian will probably benefit from it too..he could land himself a gig on Fox News.

488 darthstar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:56:25am

I went to comedy quite a bit when I was in my 20s. I was at a comedy club where the second act got into it with the crowd. Got heckled and threw some insults at the table heckling him, then that started another table heckling him and it spiraled down from there. He got so offensive (and started using racial slurs) that half the crowd actually walked out of the club. The headliner had to start his act with, "Where the hell did everybody go?"

489 teresa  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:57:23am

Countdown to Breitbart's BigFailure site(s) to disappearing into the internet netherworld. Woot!

490 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:57:28am

re: #487 darthstar

And the comedian will probably benefit from it too..he could land himself a gig on Fox News.

Have you ever heard The Day the Laughter Died? Comedians love that almbum. It's Dice Clay at the hieght of his fame intentionally bombing for 2 hours in some shitty nightclub. It's harsh to listen to but still pretty brilliant.

491 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:00:13am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Heh. Haven't thought of that guy in a long time. He's like the dime-store version of Lenny Bruce.

Must really suck to be one of the lesser lights of comedy. Like being a sub-par artist.

492 darthstar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:05:04am

re: #491 Obdicut

Heh. Haven't thought of that guy in a long time. He's like the dime-store version of Lenny Bruce.

Must really suck to be one of the lesser lights of comedy. Like being a sub-par artist.

He got his start in the Reagan years...people were pretty easy to entertain then and recycling Lenny Bruce got him a couple of gigs and a crappy movie...then people woke up and realized he had the creativity of a bathroom wall.

493 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:10:01am

re: #491 Obdicut

Heh. Haven't thought of that guy in a long time. He's like the dime-store version of Lenny Bruce.

Must really suck to be one of the lesser lights of comedy. Like being a sub-par artist.

He's actually a very good comedian. I like him much better now than back in the 80's. He's a very strange person.

494 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:10:44am

re: #492 darthstar

Patton Oswalt's spiel on standup in the 80s is awesome. Especially about the comedians that are funny, but who gives a shit because they're just making the same boring "women are one way, guys are another" kind of jokes.

495 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:13:59am

re: #493 Killgore Trout

He's actually a very good comedian. I like him much better now than back in the 80's. He's a very strange person.

I don't think he's very good, but obviously it's subjective. To me, he rehashes the same jokes that were beaten into the fucking round a decade before he even came onto the scene, comes up with nothing new, and has terrible timing.

He's like Larry the Cable Guy. Fake one-dimensional persona.

496 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:14:11am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Have you ever heard The Day the Laughter Died? Comedians love that almbum. It's Dice Clay at the hieght of his fame intentionally bombing for 2 hours in some shitty nightclub. It's harsh to listen to but still pretty brilliant.

Had some co-workers and friends who loved his stuff in the early 90s. Mainly the nursery rhymes of course. From the one special of his I saw I thought his impressions were the best part of his bit. Didn't help that I found the entire "Diceman" persona a complete turn off. I have an inherent dislike of the leather jacket, greased hair, bombastic vibe*.

* - I was a heretic in my one social circle for disliking the Happy Day's Fonzie character. My declaration was that the character was an intimidating bully, and never changed out of that mode. And bullies are never "cool".

497 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:17:13am

Andrew "Dice" Clay, only guy (at least til last year) to ever earn himself a lifetime ban from MTV.

498 darthstar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:19:02am

re: #495 Obdicut

He's like Larry the Cable Guy. Fake one-dimensional persona.

Other fake one-dimensional personas:
Rush Limbaugh
Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
Oh, wait, they're not comedians....or are they?

499 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:19:39am

re: #497 Targetpractice

He kind of presaged reality TV for me. The same uncomfortable feeling that I'm just watching someone work out some kinda neurotic thing.

500 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:20:21am

re: #497 Targetpractice

Andrew "Dice" Clay, only guy to earn (at least til last year) to ever earn himself a lifetime ban from MTV.

Which appears to be because he acted in character at an MTV awards show they wanted treated seriously. Of course, since Clay was defined by that character why did you invite him to appear in the first place without the expectation that the character would act out. Next thing you know the White House Correspondent's Association Dinner will invite Stephen Colbert.

501 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:20:49am

re: #498 darthstar

Other fake one-dimensional personas:
Rush Limbaugh
Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
Oh, wait, they're not comedians...or are they?

No, they're not comedians, because comedians try to be intentionally funny.

502 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:21:08am

re: #500 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yeah, I do think it was stupid to invite him and except him not to do his act. That's just stupid.

503 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:25:06am

re: #491 Obdicut

Must really suck to be one of the lesser lights of comedy. Like being a sub-par artist.

You know who else was a sub-par artist?

504 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:25:53am

Probably my favorite comedian:

At least actual joke-making comedian.

505 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:26:36am

re: #500 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Which appears to be because he acted in character at an MTV awards show they wanted treated seriously. Of course, since Clay was defined by that character why did you invite him to appear in the first place without the expectation that the character would act out. Next thing you know the White House Correspondent's Association Dinner will invite Stephen Colbert.

I've no clue what convinced that having him come on, in-character, was a good idea. Even today, that shit can't be played outside of premium cable channels because of how raunchy it is, but they seemed to think that having it on the VMAs in 1989 was a great idea.

I can only guess that they saw how popular he was with the "youth" and decided to gamble on him being able to control himself.

506 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:28:17am

re: #503 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

You know who else was a sub-par artist?

Satan?

507 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:28:49am

re: #506 RayFerd

Satan?

Eh, close enough.

508 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:30:46am

re: #505 Targetpractice

It would have been really funny if he came in in an entirely different persona, but I don't think he was capable of being that inventive.

509 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:32:19am

re: #505 Targetpractice

I've no clue what convinced that having him come on, in-character, was a good idea. Even today, that shit can't be played outside of premium cable channels because of how raunchy it is, but they seemed to think that having it on the VMAs in 1989 was a great idea.

I can only guess that they saw how popular he was with the "youth" and decided to gamble on him being able to control himself.

Given the time period this also smells of a mutually agreed to event like professional wrestling pulled in the same time period. Clay agrees to act up and gets to claim that he "is too edgy for even MTV!" and MTV gets publicity as well for stepping in and banning him, etc. etc.

510 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:32:51am

re: #508 Obdicut

It would have been really funny if he came in in an entirely different persona, but I don't think he was capable of being that inventive.

He's improved some in the past few decades, added more to his act and mellowed out. But folks still keep asking for the nursery rhymes, which I'm sure he'll go to his deathbed being haunted by.

511 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:34:49am

re: #510 Targetpractice

I saw some youtube clip of him from three years ago and it just made me feel bad for him. He looked old and confused.

512 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:37:00am

re: #498 darthstar

Other fake one-dimensional personas:
Rush Limbaugh
Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
Oh, wait, they're not comedians...or are they?

Hardly fair to call Mitt Romney one-dimensional. In fact, there are a couple of Mitt Romneys I could vote for.

513 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:37:09am

re: #511 Obdicut

I saw some youtube clip of him from three years ago and it just made me feel bad for him. He looked old and confused.

Not really surprised. He peaked back in the early 90s and hasn't really ever regained the sort of fame he used to have. Hell, I think MTV lifted the ban on him last year more out of pity than anything else.

514 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:53:37am

re: #513 Targetpractice

Not really surprised. He peaked back in the early 90s and hasn't really ever regained the sort of fame he used to have. Hell, I think MTV lifted the ban on him last year more out of pity than anything else.

Sort of interesting to compare his career arc to Denis Leary's. Roughly the same age, became "big" at roughly the same time (Leary a few years after Clay), but things seemed to diverge after that.

I have the impression that Leary didn't have a defining persona beyond "angry comic" though whereas Clay was "Diceman", which would be much harder to shake. (Not going to go into the claims that Leary ripped all his stuff off from Hicks.)

515 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:55:55am

re: #514 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

At one comedy club in LA, there's a special light that goes on that the comics can see that'll tell them when Robin Williams is in the audience, because he rips off so much shit.

516 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:06:23am

re: #409 Gus

OK. I uploaded the forward to Documents of American Prejudice An Anthology of Writings on Race from Thomas Jefferson to David Duke which was written by Derrick Bell:

Foreword: Healing Branches on a Tainted Tree

It begins:

Morning. Just pinging this.

517 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:09:03am

Well, I just got my answer as to how popular Ahmad Senussi's plan to try to fracture Libya is in the East:

There are MASSIVE protests in Cyrenaica against this attempted power grab by Senussi.

518 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:09:07am

Sad news
German tabloid drops front page topless photo after 28 years

After featuring bare-breasted women on its cover for 28 years, Germany's largest-selling newspaper, the tabloid Bild, is publishing its last front-page topless model today in honor of International Women's Day.

Bild says the move is "perhaps a small step from women's point of view -- but it's a big step for Bild and all men in Germany."

The newspaper says its male staff made the decision Thursday, when it gave all female employees the day off to mark women's day.

519 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:11:41am

re: #506 RayFerd

Satan?

I was thinking of Thomas Kinkade, but same difference.

520 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:18:40am

re: #519 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Monterey has a huge Kincade place, like, his HQ or something. It's really out of place.

Still, there's otters in Monterey, so it's cool.

521 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:20:21am
522 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:22:39am

re: #449 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Maybe the goal of all the state-driven initiatives isn't to make it easy for everyone to vote, have you considered that?

that is exactly the point behind most of them, yes...

523 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:23:59am

Reggie Watts: Humor in music

524 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:26:01am

re: #473 Creeping Diversity

"he said his father claimed God told him that his son needed a sex change in order to become his wife."

how dare he impinge on his father's freedom of religion?

/

525 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:28:38am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Sad news
German tabloid drops front page topless photo after 28 years

whenever there is a long oine at the supermarket, I pick up a Bild-Zeitung, check out the cover pics, the horoscopes and the gossip columns...now I have no reason to pick it up off the rack at all...

526 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:31:36am

re: #514 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Sort of interesting to compare his career arc to Denis Leary's. Roughly the same age, became "big" at roughly the same time (Leary a few years after Clay), but things seemed to diverge after that.

I have the impression that Leary didn't have a defining persona beyond "angry comic" though whereas Clay was "Diceman", which would be much harder to shake. (Not going to go into the claims that Leary ripped all his stuff off from Hicks.)

Why not (Leary-Hicks, I mean?) It was fairly obvious, and fairly common knowledge on the circuit, etc., back in the early 1990s. In fairness, he wasn't solely dependent on that and has developed since -- it's unfair to say his entire act was a Hicks rip-off. Just the persona and a large chunk of the early routines.

527 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:32:45am

re: #517 ProGunLiberal

Yeah, that little proposal is going up like a lead balloon.

528 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:33:24am

re: #526 kirkspencer

One of the reasons I respect Izzard so much. Aside from being kind of Python-esque in a very vague way, he's totally his own dude.

529 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:35:03am

re: #528 Obdicut

I remember seeing this video when the plane landed in the Hudson in 2009:

530 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:36:04am

re: #529 ProGunLiberal

"And death."

Heh.

531 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:37:23am

'A Hug That The Media Won't Show'
by Ta-Nehisi Coates

Brietbart.com on the theories of Derrick Bell:

Bell was one of the chief proponents of Critical Race Theory, a radical doctrine that holds that American legal institutions--including our civil rights laws--perpetuate white supremacy. Bell's ideas were not only radical, but bizarre.

This is only "bizarre" and "radical" to people who are willfully blind to American history. I don't agree with it, and it's far too sweeping for what I would argue. But white supremacy is actually in the Constitution, the whole Constitution, not the abbreviated one the Republican party read after taking the House in 2010. The laws of this country, until, the 1960s actively promoted white supremacy...

532 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:38:38am

re: #529 ProGunLiberal

Youtube removed the original video, and I clicked the wrong one. :(

Sorry.

533 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:39:29am

Jaunte! Saw you post the page while I was creating the comment above. ;)

534 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:39:37am

re: #531 Gus

It's also a different meaning of 'white supremacy' than what's commonly known, and people like Pollack are intentionally confusing the subject.

535 jaunte  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:43:19am

re: #533 Gus

We seem to be watching the same channel!

536 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:44:00am

re: #534 Obdicut

It's also a different meaning of 'white supremacy' than what's commonly known, and people like Pollack are intentionally confusing the subject.

Yes. And as we alluded to yesterday Pollak can likely figure this all out considering his record. He's obviously re-manufacturing his assessment in order to fit the Breitbart "red-meat" narrative. Which is probably worse than being completely ignorant or incapable of forming a false opinion. I find it impossible to understand how someone who wrote his thesis around "transculturalism" to not understand where Derrick Bell is coming from. At the very least that implies a sort of anthropological viewpoint of sorts.

537 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #535 jaunte

We seem to be watching the same channel!

It's the walkie-talkies! That and the fact that we're both looking at Twitter. ;)

538 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:45:37am

re: #491 Obdicut

I'm not a comedy fan, so the club scene has surprised me a bit. Live comedy seems to have taken a run off the cliff of raunchy. The real surprise was some pretty hostile racial jokes. From a lot of them, not just one or two.

539 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:47:53am

I don't like some of the stuff Bell wrote where he seems to be apologetic for the likes of Farrakhan. Saw it in googlebooks.

Stuff like this will be exploited now, see e.g. this rant by John Podhoretz:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

On the other hand two can play that game. E.g. read this classic article by John's pappy, of which he is still proud:

[Link: www.lukeford.net...]

540 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:48:17am

I remember though. Back when I went through my Wingnut Lite™ stage; I'd occasional promote lies and distortions.

541 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:48:48am

re: #536 Gus

I really think that he is angry at Bell for diminishing the role of whites in the civil rights process. I think this is arguable from his rant about how the Space Traders thing portrays Jews as anti-Semitic for acting out of self-interest.

Bell's response-- or rather, the critical race theory response-- would be that only the dominant group has the leisure of not acting out of self-interest in civil rights. Every other group, by virtue of not being the dominant group, will be acting in self-interest by allying with each other against the dominant group.

It doesn't mean it's not virtuous. You can act in self-interest and be virtuous too.

It's really funny to see self-interest being portrayed as a terrible thing, too.

542 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:49:59am

re: #539 Creeping Diversity

I don't like some of the stuff Bell wrote where he seems to be apologetic for the likes of Farrakhan. Saw it in googlebooks.

Stuff like this will be exploited now, see e.g. this rant by John Podhoretz:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

On the other hand two can play that game. E.g. read this classic article by John's pappy, of which he is still proud:

[Link: www.lukeford.net...]

Commentary used to be a very thoughtful, intellectual magazine back in the day.

Sadly, it has gone full-on wingnut.

543 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:52:44am

re: #539 Creeping Diversity

I don't see what Bell said as Bell being apologetic for Farrakhan, but rather saying that Farrakhan represents a non-literally-militant Black leader, and that if things get worse (which Bell thought they would, being a pessimist) there would be actually militant black leaders emerging.

I disagree with Bell's pessimism, but I don't think it's an innately hostile or terrible point of view. Just a sad one.

544 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:53:40am

re: #541 Obdicut

It's really strange to see how self-interest in seen as bad in some cases, considering how many conservatives follow that horrible woman Ayn Rand.

I think the only ideology the Republicans have is that of "ME, ME, ME, ME!" combined with some sort of drive towards creating a Christian version of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

545 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:54:04am

re: #534 Obdicut

It's also a different meaning of 'white supremacy' than what's commonly known, and people like Pollack are intentionally confusing the subject.

On that note, the revisionist history and whiny wankery being directed at Soledad O'Brien on Twitter is epic. It's hilarious when wingnuts ululate in unison for you to believe them rather than your lying eyes :)

546 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:54:25am

re: #543 Obdicut

I don't see that as Bell being apologetic for Farrakhan, but rather saying that Farrakhan represents a non-literally-militant Black leader, and that if things get worse (which Bell thought they would, being a pessimist) there would be actually militant black leaders emerging.

I disagree with Bell's pessimism, but I don't think it's an innately hostile or terrible point of view. Just a sad one.

I think you can say that Bell was part anthropologist.

547 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:54:59am

re: #539 Creeping Diversity

I mean, it's a quote-mine treasury. E.g.:

The hatred I still feel for Negroes is the hardest of all the old feelings to face or admit...

etc.

We can chalk it up to the way the non-PC old-timers wrote, spoke and thought. But let's then be consistent.

548 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:56:58am

re: #547 Creeping Diversity

I mean, it's a quote-mine treasury. E.g.:

etc.

We can chalk it up to the way the non-PC old-timers wrote, spoke and thought. But let's then be consistent.

Read this:

[Link: textuploader.com...]

I think it sums up Bell's view rather nicely and in compact form. From my comment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

549 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:57:37am

re: #548 Gus

Read this:

[Link: textuploader.com...]

I think it sums up Bell's view rather nicely and in compact form. From my comment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He even mentions Dershowitz:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

550 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:58:48am

re the whole hugging issue, I remind of this and that.

(edited to add: SFW, but don't forget your brain bleach.)

551 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:59:04am

Now we might see some other connections vis-à-vis Harvard with Bell, Dershowitz and Pollak. Axes to grind?

552 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:59:12am

re: #549 Gus

I have to go in a second, but I don't get why you linked that. I see no Dershowitz.

553 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:00:18am

re: #550 kirkspencer

I'm personally more offended in a more serious way with the intimacy with the Saudi King. That family is poison.

554 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:00:47am

re: #552 ProGunLiberal

I have to go in a second, but I don't get why you linked that. I see no Dershowitz.

This link: [Link: textuploader.com...]

The chasm of difference in racial perspective discussed by Professor Alan Dershowitz (p. 349) in the context of the O. J. Simpson case remains, but there are more and more whites who because of their contacts with people of color in a wide variety of work and social situations are able to recognize the advantages of whiteness for those who have it and sense the difficulties faced by those who don't.

Hang on... more...

555 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:01:07am

Hey Gus, my friend wrote this poem and, well, it didn't make me think of you, but I figgered you'd appreciate it.

“Knee”

Dreadful apprehension of day’s labor.
Subtle, dull, yet constant.
Weary from the sharp acuteness,
Tire with reminder.
Disguising wince and grimous
With sarcastic inclination.
Seemingly built of stone;
Masonry is crumbling.
Cracking from consistency,
Pain’s description is the only heard.
Chilling despair,
Finality peaks in,
Greeting with its cold handshake,
Casually strolls off with
Smirk of collection comes soon.

556 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:01:51am

re: #543 Obdicut

Well, I mean stuff like this.

[Link: books.google.ru...]

He has a point that obviously blacks as a group don't hold responsibility, so one can't expect each black to condemn Farrakhan for the public. But IMHO he goes further than that, into apologetics.

Bits like "Thus, when Farrakhan attempts to explain that his statement was aimed at Israel as a state and not at Judaism as a religion, his explanation is rejected out of hand."

557 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:03:19am

Go here and go to page 349 for the Dershowitz piece. I have yet to read that.

Documents of American Prejudice An Anthology of Writings on Race from Thomas Jefferson to David Duke

Again, Derrick Bell wrote the forward for this collection.

558 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:03:23am

re: #554 Gus

Oh, I see. Well, have to meet with a teacher.

The medicine I have been taking has been creating a fiasco. I upped dosages a few weeks ago. There have been some very bad effects.

559 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:04:01am

re: #555 Obdicut

Hey Gus, my friend wrote this poem and, well, it didn't make me think of you, but I figgered you'd appreciate it.

“Knee”

Dreadful apprehension of day’s labor.
Subtle, dull, yet constant.
Weary from the sharp acuteness,
Tire with reminder.
Disguising wince and grimous
With sarcastic inclination.
Seemingly built of stone;
Masonry is crumbling.
Cracking from consistency,
Pain’s description is the only heard.
Chilling despair,
Finality peaks in,
Greeting with its cold handshake,
Casually strolls off with
Smirk of collection comes soon.

Thanks Obdicut. :)

560 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:04:20am

re: #558 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I see. Well, have to meet with a teacher.

The medicine I have been taking has been creating a fiasco. I upped dosages a few weeks ago. There have been some very bad effects.

OK.

561 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:04:23am

re: #556 Creeping Diversity

Yeah, that's fair. I was just talking about the bit that got quoted in the rant against him.

I seriously doubt Bell is free from any misjudgements. But he makes a ton of good points in that section, as well.

562 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:06:34am

re: #561 Obdicut

The main point is, it's absurd to now hold Obama responsible for any word Bell has ever written.

563 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:07:45am

re: #562 Creeping Diversity

Yes. And 'open your hearts and your minds' doesn't mean 'slavishly and uncritically accept'.

564 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:10:24am

Can't seem to go beyond page 349. All I can read is:

Reasonable Doubts (page 349)
BY ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ

Few events in recent years have highlighted racial tensions in the United States more keenly than the case of O. J. Simpson. Orenthal James Simpson (b. 1947) is an African American who achieved high distinction as a football player at both the collegiate and the professional levels; he subsequently became a widely popular television personality. On June 13, 1994, his white wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and a white man, Ronald Goldman, were found murdered outside her condominium in the Brentwood section of Los Angeles. A few days later Simpson was charged with the murder; after a car chase along the highways of southern California viewed by millions on television, Simpson was apprehended. The trial began on September 26, 1994. One of Simpson's defense team's central tactics was to broach the possibility, that Simpson had been framed by the Los Angeles Police Department, a charge made more plausible by the revelation of sloppy police work and also by tapes revealing police detective Mark Fuhrman to be highly prejudiced against African Americans. On October 3, 1995, the largely black jury's decision was read: Simpson was found not guilty of both murders. A majority of whites continue to believe that Simpson is guilty, while a majority of African Americans believe he is innocent. It is also widely believed that the jury's verdict was a kind of retribution for the Los Angeles Police Department's handling of the Rodney King case.

In a subsequent civil trial brought against Simpson by the Goldman family, a largely white jury found Simpson guilty of wrongful death and awarded the Goldmans $8.5 million in compensatory damages and $25 million in punitive damages.

Alan M. Dershowitz (b. 1938), a civil liberties lawyer and professor of law at Harvard, has written several books on legal matters, including TheBest Defense...

Here I keep in mind several things. Bell mentioned this piece in the forward so we can assume that Dershowitz was within his inner-circle of sorts -- keep in mind that both are associated with Harvard. The other being that Dershowitz endorsed Joel Pollak in his congressional bid. Probably nothing but something of interest. It would be interesting to hear Dershowitz's take on Derrick Bell although considering his recent "changes" I am not hopeful that that would result in any type of raional outcome.

565 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:12:02am

And! The Dershowitz piece is not related to critical race theory. Although I assume it could be used as such.

566 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:13:32am

re: #564 Gus

I can try to get access to the whole book. Should I look for something specific?

567 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:13:50am

Reasonable Doubts
The Criminal Justice System and the O.J. Simpson Case
by Alan M. Dershowitz

Alan Dershowitz, one of the foremost legal thinkers of our time, explores a series of questions raised by the most-watched criminal trial in American history. Through this brilliant, eye-opening account of the O.J. Simpson case, he exposes the realities of the criminal justice system of this country.

Here, Professor Dershowitz examines the issues and social forces -- media, money, gender, and race -- that shape the criminal justice system in America today. Among the fascinating questions raised:

* Was this really a case of circumstantial evidence?

* Did Simpson's wealth "buy" the acquittal?

* How could one of the longest trials in the history of America's judicial system produce a verdict after less than four hours of jury deliberation?

Reasonable Doubts is a work of lasting importance; it will force us to rethink our assumptions, not only about the case itself but about the strengths -- and weaknesses -- of the criminal justice system in America...

568 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:15:00am

re: #566 Creeping Diversity

I can try to get access to the whole book. Should I look for something specific?

None that I can think of. I think Bell's forward provides us with a good view of his thinking. Was curious about Dershowitz's piece which begin on page 349...

569 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:15:53am

re: #568 Gus

None that I can think of. I think Bell's forward provides us with a good view of his thinking. Was curious about Dershowitz's piece which begin on page 349...

Which is an excerpt from the book no doubt since Dershowitz's book is 272 pages.

571 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:17:07am

There will be a quiz on Monday.

//

572 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:20:42am

The question then becomes did Dershowitz know Bell? And since Pollak knows Dershowitz is Pollak inevitably connected to Bell through 3 degrees of separation?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Bell > Dershowitz > Pollak... Harvard, Harvard, Harvard!

//

573 jaunte  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:21:33am

The Race-Baiting Continues
(But fortunately, it doesn't seem to be working)

The message is always the same: Obama and the blacks are mad, and they're coming for you. Yet people like the Breitbart folks and Limbaugh have two problems. First, they're running out of material. There aren't any more shocking revelations to be had. The best they can do is try to make mountains of racial resentment out of the most innocuous molehills, like the fact that Obama supported Derrick Bell's effort to diversify the faculty when he was a law student. And second, by now anyone who can be convinced that Obama is a secret Black Panther never thought otherwise. The guy has been president for three years. Americans are pretty familiar with him. He hasn't actually started herding white people into concentration camps, and it's an awfully tough sell to tell people that he might any day now.

This is a version of the larger problem conservatives have as we get into the 2012 election. The argument many of them will be making, in various forms, is this: Forget about what Obama has actually done. That doesn't tell you anything. Let me tell you a story about his secret desires, his wicked thoughts, his venomous heart. That's what your decision should be based on.

574 Lidane  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:21:55am

It's 45 degrees and rainy, but I'm headed off to SXSW today anyway. Be well, Lizards!

575 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:23:36am

re: #573 jaunte

It's really shocking to see Pollack basically making the claim that the justice system under Obama is biased against whites. It's such fearful, untrue, thinking. I mean, more than untrue: law enforcement and courts are still biased against blacks, demonstrably so.

576 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:25:27am

re: #575 Obdicut

It's really shocking to see Pollack basically making the claim that the justice system under Obama is biased against whites. It's such fearful, untrue, thinking. I mean, more than untrue: law enforcement and courts are still biased against blacks, demonstrably so.

It's not true at all of course. Once again people need to be reminded that while Bell played a role in Obama's intellectual development Obama is in fact the opposite of Bell with regards to race and civil rights. No?

577 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:26:36am

re: #539 Creeping Diversity

Note Norman Podhoretz's proposed solution to the "Negro problem":

His past is a stigma, his color is a stigma, and his vision of the future is the hope of erasing the stigma by making color irrelevant, by making it disappear as a fact of consciousness.
I share this hope, but I cannot see how it will ever be realized unless color does in fact disappear: and that means not integration, it means assimilation, it means — let the brutal word come out — miscegenation. The Black Muslims, like their racist counterparts in the White world, accuse the “so-called Negro leaders” of secretly pursuing miscegenation as a goal. The racists are wrong, but I wish they were right, for I believe that the wholesale merger of the two races is the most desirable alternative for everyone concerned. I am not claiming that this alternative can be pursued programmatically or that it is immediately feasible as a solution; obviously there are even greater barriers to its achievement than to the achievement of integration. What I am saying, however, is that in my opinion the Negro problem can be solved in no other way.

Of course, considering the number of American blacks in relation to whites, this wholesale merger would be a simple disappearance of the blacks as a group.

578 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:26:49am

re: #576 Gus

Nothing Obama has ever said or ever done has shown that he is in any way in agreement with Critical Race Theory. He is endlessly optimistic, to a degree many find over the top.

579 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:26:53am

re: #573 jaunte

The Race-Baiting Continues
(But fortunately, it doesn't seem to be working)

Nice article, but unfortunately I am not convinced it's not working. I think it's working a treat, actually.

580 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:27:09am

re: #577 Creeping Diversity

I mean, let's not pretend that radicalism is limited to leftist black professors.

581 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:29:26am

re: #577 Creeping Diversity

Note Norman Podhoretz's proposed solution to the "Negro problem":

Of course, considering the number of American blacks in relation to whites, this wholesale merger would be a simple disappearance of the blacks as a group.

Once again the white man, Podhoretz, is telling the black man how to run their lives.

He seems to suggest a "one state sollution" for the black community.

582 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:29:37am

re: #580 Creeping Diversity

By playing six degrees of separation, we can connect Obama to radicalism.

The GOP candidates for president are radicals in and of themselves.

583 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:30:06am

re: #577 Creeping Diversity

Here's a 1993 postscript to that article:

[Link: reportingcivilrights.loa.org...]

Published in Blacks and Jews: Alliances and Arguments. There's Bell's article in this volume too. Don't have access to it at the moment.

584 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:30:13am

re: #581 Gus

It also contains a very similar pessimism to that that Bell has.

585 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:32:04am

re: #584 Obdicut

From the postscript:

As the years wore on, however, a curious reversal occurred. Now it began to seem that "My Negro Problem" had something in it to please, if not everyone, then a growing body of sentiment both among blacks and whites. This something was the idea that all whites were incorrigibly racist. To be sure, I had not exactly endorsed that idea. What I had actually said was that all whites were sick and twisted in their feelings about blacks. But to most readers, it seems, this formulation was the functional equivalent of a charge of universal white racism. It thereby lent itself nicely to the view that the "Negro problem" —indeed the only Negro problem—was external oppression, and that nothing blacks themselves did or failed to do made, or could ever make, more than a trivial difference.

586 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:33:18am

re: #583 Creeping Diversity

Here's a 1993 postscript to that article:

[Link: reportingcivilrights.loa.org...]

Published in Blacks and Jews: Alliances and Arguments. There's Bell's article in this volume too. Don't have access to it at the moment.

[Link: www.archive.org...]

587 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:33:54am

There's a zip file there. Have no idea how to read it yet.

588 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:34:08am

re: #586 Gus

Cool.

589 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:35:44am

re: #588 Creeping Diversity

Cool.

Have to read through this:

[Link: nlsbard.loc.gov...]

590 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:37:24am

Not really sure if that's the whole book either. Doesn't look like it...

591 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:38:55am

re: #590 Gus

It's the whole book but can only be read on certain devices.

592 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:50:09am

In any case. I look forward to Romney commenting on Ted Nugent.

594 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:54:55am

re: #593 Gus

It's really all the crazy preacher-types that are probably the most extreme on the right-wing. Of course, they're white, so they don't get the attention Wright did.

595 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:56:03am

re: #594 Obdicut

It's really all the crazy preacher-types that are probably the most extreme on the right-wing. Of course, they're white, so they don't get the attention Wright did.

The "evidence" against the Republican Party to that end is a mile high. It's OK to be a radical -- as long as you're a white Christian radical.

596 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:56:37am

aka IOKIYAR

597 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:57:11am
598 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:58:45am

Ogletree: I was joking about Obama video clip
By Chris Cassidy
Friday, March 9, 2012 - Updated 1 hour ago

Harvard Law Professor Charles Ogletree told the Herald he was just kidding when he suggested that a decades-old clip of a young Barack Obama praising and embracing controversial Professor Derrick Bell was kept hidden from voters during the 2008 campaign.

“It was a big joke,” Ogletree said. “If you watch the tape, the audience is laughing when I’m laughing.”

Continues.

599 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:59:09am

re: #595 Gus

Buckley's heirs at NR should STFU first of all.

600 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:02:44am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - still no sign that the Breitbart.com IT department has intelligent life working there - all Google referrers continue to default back to the Breitbart.com page. That it continues to do so is an amazing blunder on their part, with no sign of correction in sight.

601 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:03:30am

re: #600 lawhawk

They say they meant to do it, I think.

Which, you know, doesn't make much sense.

603 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:06:26am

Another Tet Offensive is about to begin.

//

604 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:06:28am

re: #601 Obdicut

They say they meant to do it, I think.

Which, you know, doesn't make much sense.

Yes, yes. We entirely intended to completely blow up our websites and break the thousands upon thousands of existing links. Why would we want people to see existing pages anyway?

605 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:07:11am
606 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:08:50am

re: #605 Gus

#Dreamliner gets thumbs up from @AeroMexico_com employees. Great visit in Mexico City. Departure est. 2pm. #DreamTour twitter.com/BoeingAirplane…
— Boeing Airplanes (@BoeingAirplanes) March 9, 2012

The guy on the right seems slightly less than enthused.

607 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:09:23am

re: #601 Obdicut

It makes absolutely no sense at all - it's as though someone goes and creates a website of content - millions of pages worth - and then decides to eliminate any way to access it except through one page where nothing is easily accessible.

All the effort to create that content is wasted and if I were a content provider to the site, I'd be pissed that the direct links no longer work - particularly if you were being paid for the hits (as some other sites do).

608 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:09:37am

re: #606 Simply Sarah

The guy on the right seems slightly less than enthused.

He's probably the eldest. ;)

"Mah neck hurtz!"

609 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:12:35am

re: #606 Simply Sarah

That's the guy who has to clean out the lavatories. /

Seriously though, the 787 was in the NYC metro area for a look-see, and apparently got good reviews from those who saw it here. From what I've seen of video/photos of the interior, it will make for an improved flight - higher and more airy feel. It'll be some time before we see those planes work their way into regular service on domestic carriers b/c of the delays in production (this should have been in the air 3 years ago and makes the A380 delays seem like child's play).

610 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:14:17am

up up up


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