Bob Schneider: Chinatown

Think you got the answers but you got it all wrong
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Bob Schneider’s “Chinatown” is a creepy atmospheric slice of noir pop, and this might be my favorite version, performed live in a room somewhere.

From the album, Songs Sung and Played on Guitar at the Same Time.

There’s a mad wind blowin down the ninety nine
And the ghosts of New York City they all doin’ just fine
When that little Smith and Wesson went and lit up the night
All she showed when she heard were her cold pearly whites

None of them kisses dropped down in the hole
While the midnight sun played the starring role
Was gonna turn around that black Cadillac
Filled with little white rails, just the cold hard facts

So when you done dancing
And the rain slows down
We’ll all meet up at Eddie’s over in Chinatown

Think you got the answers but you got it all wrong
The day’s too short and the nights are way too long
Wake up to find your whole world falling apart
In a fifty dollar dress over a broken heart

Dig in the dirt while you’re dancin’ with the dogs
Rollin’ around lost in a fog
Bangin’ on tomorrow like a big black drum
Kick your head back, spit at the sun

So when you done dancing
And the rain slows down
We’ll all meet up at Eddie’s over in Chinatown
We’ll all meet up at Eddie’s over in Chinatown

There’s fifty on the table, there’s trouble down the line
There’s 200,000 dollars nobody’s ever gonna find
You know you’ll never see her come a-walking through the door
The bars about to close and the sky’s about to pour

You take your last slug as you stumble out into the street
Pull out your gun and you whisper trick or treat
And as you pull the trigger beyond a shadow of a doubt
You hear her sayin’ your name and the light’s goin’ out

So when you done dancing
And the rain slows down
We’ll all meet up at Eddie’s over in Chinatown
We’ll all meet up at Eddie’s over in Chinatown
We’ll all meet up at Eddie’s over in Chinatown

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381 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:02:10pm

For a second, I thought it said "Rob Schneider: Chinatown" and tried to think how could anyone remake it with him as the lead.

2 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:04:43pm

I've seen him twice, my friends are freaks, like 12 times, and it is so cool that he is on your radar.

3 Meitantei  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:07:04pm

So, something to ask about.

Wingnuts are freaking about some bill that says Obama banned protest, but given that the only source they gave is RT, my natural response is to lol.

Any word on this?

4 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:07:24pm

Forget it Jake, it's LGF. ;)

5 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:10:20pm

6 things rich people need to stop saying

Most high-income earners do put in a ton of hours. Bill Gates seemed to never sleep (an employee once said that putting in 81 hours in four days still couldn't keep up with Gates' schedule). So yes, it's unfair that we tend to think that "being rich" means "lounging by the pool while an albino tiger massages our feet with his tongue." So, "Hey, I work hard for what I have!" is perfectly true. It's also insulting.

It's insulting for the exact same reason "Hey, I love my country!" is insulting: It implies that the listener doesn't. Otherwise there'd be no reason to say it.

It implies a bizarre alternate reality where society rewards you purely based on how much effort you exert, rather than according to how well your specific talents fit in with the needs of the marketplace in the particular era and part of the world in which you were born. It implies that the great investment banker makes 10 times more than a great nurse only because the banker works 10 times as hard.

He doesn't.

And even stranger, it implies that money earned is a perfect indicator of a person's value to society -- if you're broke, it must mean you're a loser who contributes nothing to anyone's life. And that's downright bizarre when it comes from the same people who also go on and on about the importance of parenting and family values. Surely they've noticed that being a great stay-at-home parent makes you exactly zero dollars a year.

6 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:12:42pm

re: #3 Meitantei

So, something to ask about.

Wingnuts are freaking about some bill that says Obama banned protest, but given that the only source they gave is RT, my natural response is to lol.

Any word on this?

Try this.

How Big a Deal is H.R. 347, That “Criminalizing Protest” Bill?

Recent days have seen significant concern about an unassuming bill with an unassuming name: the "Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011." The bill, H.R. 347, has been variously described as making the First Amendment illegal or criminalizing the Occupy protests.

The truth is more mundane, but the issues raised are still of major significance for the First Amendment.

It's important to note — contrary to some reports — that H.R. 347 doesn't create any new crimes, or directly apply to the Occupy protests. The bill slightly rewrites a short trespass law, originally passed in 1971 and amended a couple of times since, that covers areas subject to heightened Secret Service security measures...

7 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:15:52pm
8 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:24:57pm

re: #7 Gus

Text of H.R. 347 (PDF)

Where is the fun in getting outraged if you simply look up the actual text?
/

Got a guy in my office who gets outraged about once a week about some email going around thats cleared up in about 1 minute of actual research.

9 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:26:21pm

re: #1 Kragar

For a second, I thought it said "Rob Schneider: Chinatown" and tried to think how could anyone remake it with him as the lead.

"The Jakeman! Jake-o-rama! Jake-o-rama-vitch! Jake-o! Jakerino! Jake-oooo! Jakerolo! The Jakemeister! The Jakenator! Jaaaaaaake!"

At which point Nicholson shoots him.

10 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:26:48pm

re: #8 Kragar

Where is the fun in getting outraged if you simply look up the actual text?
/

Got a guy in my office who gets outraged about once a week about some email going around thats cleared up in about 1 minute of actual research.

Yeah. Took me about 30 seconds. Did some quick reading and figured "meh, another BS bill that only bolsters Secret Service stuff." Made some dinner; went to the bathroom; and had a cigarette already.

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:28:28pm

re: #6 Gus

Try this.

How Big a Deal is H.R. 347, That “Criminalizing Protest” Bill?

Obviously the commie ACLU is in on the plot.//

12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:32:10pm

Good News!
Coke and Pepsi alter recipe to avoid cancer warning
Feel safer now? Drink up!

13 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:33:06pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Obviously the commie ACLU is in on the plot.//

Yeah. I figured if the ACLU was kind of meh about it then it's definitely not a big deal at all.

14 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:36:12pm

re: #13 Gus

Yeah. I figured if the ACLU was kind of meh about it then it's definitely not a big deal at all.

Yeah I trust the ACLU on these kind of things more than chainmails/angry wingnuts.

15 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:36:59pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Yeah I trust the ACLU on these kind of things more than chainmails/angry wingnuts.

Russia Today. Oh, and Glenn Greenwald. ;)

16 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:37:38pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Obviously the commie ACLU is in on the plot.//

It's the kind of bill that begs to be the topic of an "OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE" overreaction. It won't be led by Fox News this time, because FNC's piece on the bill was sane, so it'll likely be even crazier stuff, likely with Alex Jones weighing in.

17 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:38:10pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

It's the kind of bill that begs to be the topic of an "OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE" overreaction. It won't be led by Fox News this time, because FNC's piece on the bill was sane, so it'll likely be even crazier stuff, likely with Alex Jones weighing in.

Yeah I expect Alex Jones to have some hyperbolic nonsense about this.

18 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:38:33pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

No thanks, I'll stick to my loquats and chocolate.

Flavor du jour is Trader Joe's Fair Trade Belgian Dark Chocolate. which is good but not the finest of the 70%+ darks. Similar to Ghirardelli bar of similar composition, but not quite as waxy as the Ghirardelli, and at $1.99 a better buy.

The loquats are the longish, orangish type, not strongly flavored but that is probably due to this weird season. Came across a tree that was loaded with fruit, which is ripening quickly and today's santa ana weather will push them even quicker.

19 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:40:14pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Good News!
Coke and Pepsi alter recipe to avoid cancer warning
Feel safer now? Drink up!

Rosie's Restaurant Lyrics by Bobby Bare

I was waitin' in Rosie's Restaurant.
When the waiter came up and said "what do you want?"
I looked at the menu and it looked so nice.
Till he said, "let me give you some advice"
He said, "Spaghetti and potatoes got too much starch,
Pork chops and sausage are bad for your heart.
There's hormones in chicken and beef and veal.
A bowl of ravioli is a dead man's meal.
Bread got preservatives, there's nitrites in ham.
Artificial coloring in jellies and jam.
Stay away from donuts, run away from pie.
Pepperoni pizza is a sure way to die.
Sugar rots your teeth, makes you put on weight.
Artificial sweetner's got cyclamates.
Eggs got cholesterol, there's fat in cheese.
Coffee ruins your kidneys and so does tea.
Fish got mercury, red meat is poison.
Salt's gonna send your blood presure risin'
Hot dogs and bologna got deadly red dyes.
Vegetables and fruit are sprayed with pesticides.
So I said, "what can I eat that's gonna make me last?"
He said, "a small drink of water in a sterilized glass"
Then he stopped and he thought for a minute.
He said "Never mind the water---There's carcinogenics in it"
So I got up from the table and walked out in the street.
Reliazing there was nothin' I could eat.
I ain't eaten for a month and I'm feeling fine...
"Cause he did not mention, beer, whiskey, women
and sweet red wine.

20 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:44:31pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Yeah I expect Alex Jones to have some hyperbolic nonsense about this.

Seems as thought his bill passed under the radar!

//

21 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:44:54pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Good News!
Coke and Pepsi alter recipe to avoid cancer warning
Feel safer now? Drink up!

I didn't feel unsafe before. Seems like a case of regulatory overreach to me. Mark it down as another reason why I hate California.

22 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:45:16pm

Uh oh!

23 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:45:51pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

I didn't feel unsafe before. Seems like a case of regulatory overreach to me. Mark it down as another reason why I hate California.

The Diet Song

24 simoom  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:47:13pm

From a 2008 Frontline interview with Bradford Berenson, "a conservative lawyer who served as an associate White House counsel under President George W. Bush," and fellow editor at the Harvard Law Review w/ Pres. Obama.

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

The law school generally at that time was riven ideologically, and not just in terms of Republican/Democrat partisan politics, but there were contending schools of legal thought at the time, represented on the faculty, that really polarized both the faculty and the student body. ...

There were intense debates over affirmative action that sometimes got expressed through fights over tenure decisions relating to junior faculty at the law school. There were women professors and minority professors who either had come up for tenure or were coming up for tenure, and there were big fights, on the faculty and in the law school at large, over whether they should receive tenure, whether the quality of their scholarship merited that. ...

[A]fter [Obama] became president of the Review, he was under a lot of pressure to participate and lend his voice to those debates. And he did, I think, to some degree. But I would not have described him as a campus radical or a campus political leader. He was the president of the Harvard Law Review, the leader of that organization. But, in that role, his job was to manage, in essence, a publication, and the editors who brought it forth and to do a lot of close editing of academic legal articles. …

You don't become president of the Harvard Law Review, no matter how political, or how liberal the place is, by virtue of affirmative action, or by virtue of not being at the very top of your class in terms of legal ability. Barack was at the very top of his class in terms of legal ability. He had a first-class legal mind and, in my view, was selected to be president of the Review entirely on his merits.

... I never regarded him as kind of a racial special pleader, or a person looking for race-based benefits, either for himself or others. I think as a policy matter, he supported affirmative action and believed in the arguments for it. But unlike many people on the left, he was also willing to acknowledge that it had costs, and he could at least appreciate the arguments on the other side. ...

... ultimately, the conservatives on the Review supported Barack as president in the final rounds of balloting because he fit that bill far better than the other people who were running. ...

We had all worked with him over the course of a year. And we had all spent countless hours in the presence of Barack, as well as others of our colleagues who were running, in Gannett House [the Law Review offices], and so you get a pretty good sense of people over the course of a year of late nights working on the Review. You know who the rabble-rousers are. You know who the people are who are blinded by their politics. And you know who the people are who, despite their politics, can reach across and be friendly to and make friends with folks who have different views. And Barack very much fell into the latter category. ...

[After Obama is selected,] he does a very able job as president. Puts out what I think was a very good volume of the Review. Does a great job managing the difficult and complicated interpersonal dynamics on the Review. And manages somehow, in an extremely fractious group, to keep everybody almost happy.

25 simoom  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:47:28pm

re: #24 simoom

Cont.:

I think Barack took 10 times as much grief from those on the left on the Review as from those of us on the right. And the reason was, I think there was an expectation among those editors on the left that he would affirmatively use the modest powers of his position to advance the cause, whatever that was. They thought, you know, finally there's an African American president of the Harvard Law Review; it's our turn, and he should aggressively use this position, and his authority and his bully pulpit to advance the political or philosophical causes that we all believe in.

And Barack was reluctant to do that. It's not that he was out of sympathy with their views, but his first and foremost goal, it always seemed to me, was to put out a first-rate publication. And he was not going to let politics or ideology get in the way of doing that. ...

He had some discretion as president to exercise an element of choice for certain of the positions on the masthead; it wasn't wide discretion, but he had some. And I think a lot of the minority editors on the Review expected him to use that discretion to the maximum extent possible to empower them. To put them in leadership positions, to burnish their resumes, and to give them a chance to help him and help guide the Review. He didn't do that. He declined to exercise that discretion to disrupt the results of votes or of tests that were taken by various people to assess their fitness for leadership positions.

He was unwilling to undermine, based on the way I viewed it, meritocratic outcomes or democratic outcomes in order to advance a racial agenda. That earned him a lot of recrimination and criticism from some on the left, particularly some of the minority editors of the Review.

Clearly the spitting image of a socialist, marxist, racialist, alinsky-ite radical -- eh? (///)

26 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:47:44pm

re: #20 Gus

Seems as thought his bill passed under the radar!

//

That's because the radar was being jammed!!1 It must be George Soros at work!!1 He's got plenty of money to build radar jammers and pass stealth bills and he wants to keep the Obamination in power. OMG!!!1 THIS BILL IS INTENDED TO ALLOW OBAMA TO SEND THE TEA PARTY TO FEMA CAMPS!!!11

27 jaunte  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:48:57pm

re: #19 Kragar

Dark beers have 4-methylimidazole too.

28 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:49:00pm

re: #18 freetoken

No thanks, I'll stick to my loquats and chocolate.

Flavor du jour is Trader Joe's Fair Trade Belgian Dark Chocolate. which is good but not the finest of the 70%+ darks. Similar to Ghirardelli bar of similar composition, but not quite as waxy as the Ghirardelli, and at $1.99 a better buy.

The loquats are the longish, orangish type, not strongly flavored but that is probably due to this weird season. Came across a tree that was loaded with fruit, which is ripening quickly and today's santa ana weather will push them even quicker.

I'm due for a visit to my local asian market this week, They're the only plave I can find them up here.

29 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:50:28pm

re: #19 Kragar

Rosie's Restaurant Lyrics by Bobby Bare

Loves me some Bobby Bare.

Have you ever heard his song "Numbers"?

30 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:51:44pm

re: #27 jaunte

Dark beers have 4-methylimidazole too.

Meth!

31 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:51:55pm

re: #29 BongCrodny

Loves me some Bobby Bare.

Have you ever heard his song "Numbers"?

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:53:24pm

re: #8 Kragar

Where is the fun in getting outraged if you simply look up the actual text?
/

Got a guy in my office who gets outraged about once a week about some email going around thats cleared up in about 1 minute of actual research.

If people bother to read it or listen to those that actually have. Most just to with whatever version gets their blood pressure going and seem to enjoy the high.

33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:53:44pm

And if the Good News Department, we have the IAF sending terror master Zohair al-Qaisi and 9 other terrorist dirtbags into the Great Beyond:

Israeli air strikes on Gaza have killed at least 10 Palestinians including a senior Palestinian militant leader.

Zohair al-Qaisi, secretary general of the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC), was attacked because he was planning an attack, the Israelis said.

Another militant was killed with him. The Islamist Hamas movement which runs Gaza said at least eight more died in later Israeli air strikes.

The Israeli military said dozens of rockets were fired into Israel.

They were apparently fired in retaliation for the killing of the PRC leaders.

It is one of the worst outbreaks of violence along the Gaza border for several months.

Islamic Jihad said the dead men were part of its military organisation.

Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

34 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:55:23pm

WARNING: This beer contains higher traces of 4-methylimidazole which is a known carcinogen in laboratory animals. You must consume enough of this beer to cause certain death from cirrhosis of the liver or kidney failure in order to being developing cancerous growths due to the 4-methylimidazole present in this beer.

35 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:57:08pm

Also on tonight's menu is Alter Eco Dark Blackout 85% Chocolate, a superior dark chocolate (better than the Trader Joe's, but more expensive.) The Amazon price isn't very good - I was able to find a much better buy at a local grocery store which had them on sale (which is rare.)

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:57:18pm

re: #34 Gus

WARNING: This beer contains higher traces of 4-methylimidazole which is a known carcinogen in laboratory animals. You must consume enough of this beer to cause certain death from cirrhosis of the liver or kidney failure in order to being developing cancerous growths due to the 4-methylimidazole present in this beer.

Yes, but just the warning label alone would set loose a thousand DERPs accusing Coke and Pepsi of being "toxic", after which market share would fall. It's not about truth, it's about the rumor mill.

37 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:57:34pm

Your text to link...There is some outrage over this, I hear.

CHICAGO — The U.S. government has the right to kill its own citizens overseas without a court order if they are plotting terrorists attacks against their country, U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder asserted Monday in a speech at Northwestern Law School.
Holder spoke to a crowd of law students and judicial officials that filled the law school's 700-seat Thorne Auditorium. He concentrated on the need to consider both constitutional freedoms and security in the fight against terrorism.
"In this hour of danger, we simply cannot afford to wait until deadly plans are carried out – and we will not," Holder said.
His remarks came in the wake of controversy over the death of Anwar al Awlaki, an American-born Islamic cleric who was killed in a U.S. drone attack in Yemen in September. Civil liberties groups such as the ACLU have said Awlaki's death violated the Fifth Amendment, which states that no American may be deprived of life without due process.
"'Due process' and ‘judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security," the attorney general said. "The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process."
Although Holder did not specifically address Awlaki's slaying, he described testimony from another would-be terrorist, Umar Abdulmatallab, that Awlaki had trained him to carry out an airplane bombing.
Three criteria must be met in order to justify the targeted killing of a U.S. citizen, Holder said. The individual must pose "an imminent threat of violent attack." Capture must not be feasible. And the operation must be conducted in accordance with applicable laws of war.
The attorney general added that civilian courts must continue to play a significant role in terrorism prosecution. He criticized the suggestion that the United States should deal with all terror-related proceedings through military means.
"These calls ignore reality," Holder said. "And if heeded, they would significantly weaken — in fact, they would cripple — our ability to incapacitate and punish those who attempt to do us harm."
Katie Donn, a 1996 NU law graduate who attended the speech, praised Holder for outlining a nuanced counterterrorism policy.
"I just think he's brilliant," she said. "I was impressed by the sensible approach of balancing liberty against security concerns."
But Liza Kostinskaya, a current law student, questioned Holder's definition of due process, saying he had not explained how it differs from judicial process. She also noted that Holder had not engaged in a question and answer session with the audience, as guest speakers at the law school typically do.
"I think they're trying to get out of something there," she said.
University spokesman Al Cubbage, who also attended the speech, said he found it to be a well-reasoned legal argument. The attorney general's chief of staff, Gary Grindler, is an NU Law alumnus, and the University has been trying to bring Holder to speak on campus for several years, Cubbage said.
Whether or not other listeners agreed with Holder, Cubbage said, "It's good to hear directly from the attorney general."

38 jaunte  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:59:39pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Coke and Pepsi are full of di-hydrogen oxide, and that stuff has killed millions.

39 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:00:23pm

re: #34 Gus

WARNING: This beer contains higher traces of 4-methylimidazole which is a known carcinogen in laboratory animals. You must consume enough of this beer to cause certain death from cirrhosis of the liver or kidney failure in order to being developing cancerous growths due to the 4-methylimidazole present in this beer.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

40 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:00:38pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I'm due for a visit to my local asian market this week, They're the only plave I can find them up here.

I don't know of anyone who has done this, but it might be possible to graft a loquat scion onto a dwarfing stock of some Rosaceae species. Sometimes apple and pears are done this way for tub growing, so it ought to be possible with loquats.

Then, you could grow one in your greenhouse (though you'd have to hand pollinate the flowers - easy with a fine paint brush.)

41 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:01:59pm

re: #37 ggt

Let the fools be outraged. Such targeted killing must be available to the US Government as a last resort in cases of an American overseas who has turned on his country, poses a great threat, and cannot be arrested and brought to trial. To say we just let such a person hatch his plots is suicidal and foolish.

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:02:22pm
43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:03:00pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Let the fools be outraged. Such targeted killing must be available to the US Government as a last resort in cases of an American overseas who has turned on his country, poses a great threat, and cannot be arrested and brought to trial. To say we just let such a person hatch his plots is suicidal and foolish.

The idea going around is that the person is denied due process.

44 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:04:16pm

re: #38 jaunte

Coke and Pepsi are full of di-hydrogen oxide, and that stuff has killed millions.

It killed millions 6-7 weeks after Bush was reelected, but he did not move to ban it. No indeed, he ordered his military to fly more of the stuff into the places on Sumatra where the di-hydrogen oxide scourge had hit the hardest!

///

45 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:06:07pm

re: #40 freetoken

I don't know of anyone who has done this, but it might be possible to graft a loquat scion onto a dwarfing stock of some Rosaceae species. Sometimes apple and pears are done this way for tub growing, so it ought to be possible with loquats.

Then, you could grow one in your greenhouse (though you'd have to hand pollinate the flowers - easy with a fine paint brush.)

Interesting idea. I'm starting some feijoas for the greenhouse. I may take on a few more experiments.

46 jaunte  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:06:32pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Seriously, I'm glad someone is watching the food additives, but I think corn sugar is probably going to do us all in before the 4-methylimidazole has a shot.

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:06:38pm

re: #43 ggt

The idea going around is that the person is denied due process.

I understand the argument, but to take said argument to the extremes that those objecting the most to Holder's reasoning take it is to turn the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact, to borrow from Justice Robert Jackson.

48 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:07:05pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but just the warning label alone would set loose a thousand DERPs accusing Coke and Pepsi of being "toxic", after which market share would fall. It's not about truth, it's about the rumor mill.

Maybe. But you do have to consider that children are exposed to large quantities of soft drinks and adults can consume far more soft drinks than they would a dark beer. You know what I mean? The dosages would in fact be higher for coke drinkers. It's a "family refreshment" so that has a bigger impact as well. With beer you can stick another warning label on it and they won't care.

49 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:07:32pm

re: #48 Gus

Maybe. But you do have to consider that children are exposed to large quantities of soft drinks and adults can consume far more soft drinks than they would a dark beer. You know what I mean? The dosages would in fact be higher for coke drinkers. It's a "family refreshment" so that has a bigger impact as well. With beer you can stick another warning label on it and they won't care.

True that.

50 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:10:49pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

True that.

Yep. The other side being that non-diet soft drink then contribute to diabetes and obesity. :) With or without cancer causing elements.

51 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:11:06pm

re: #46 jaunte

Seriously, I'm glad someone is watching the food additives, but I think corn sugar is probably going to do us all in before the 4-methylimidazole has a shot.

Yes, and by fantastic coincidence, that substance causes cancer too!

52 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:11:10pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Interesting idea. I'm starting some feijoas for the greenhouse. I may take on a few more experiments.

Hey, I was just out identifying some plants and that included a fine example of Feijoa sellowiana! We use that synonym more often down here, I think. An acquaintance grows some, and on my walk tonight I came across another yard with a very strong plant. They are planted down here because they are evergreen but also can handle the extreme temperature swings and dry periods.

53 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:12:55pm

re: #51 Interesting Times

Yes, and by fantastic coincidence, that substance causes cancer too!

Sugar lobby. ;)

54 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:13:21pm

re: #43 ggt

The idea going around is that the person is denied due process.

Fancy that./

55 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:17:02pm
56 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:17:20pm

re: #43 ggt

The idea going around is that the person is denied due process.

OK, they can turn themselves in.

57 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:17:28pm

Here you go KT:

Cultivars grown on quince rootstock produce a dwarfed tree of early bearing character. The smaller tree has no effect on fruit size and gives adequate fruit production with the advantage of easier picking. Loquat cuttings are not easy to root. Grafted trees will begin to bear fruit in 2 to 3 years, compared to 8 to 10 years in seedling trees.

58 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:17:36pm

Now known as...

59 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:19:33pm

re: #53 Gus

Sugar lobby. ;)

Exactly. If you ever eat deserts, cookies, etc from Mexico or Europe, the difference in taste is practically exponential - because they use cane sugar instead of (*cough, gag*) corn sugar, you get something that tastes like real food instead of a sickeningly sweet saccharine brine.

I've cut high fructose corn syrup out of my diet almost completely, and one's body adjusts accordingly - I'm not sure I can even tolerate it now. If I "stray" and out of desperation eat some vending machine abomination, I feel bloated, nauseous and ill.

60 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:21:32pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

Exactly. If you ever eat deserts, cookies, etc from Mexico or Europe, the difference in taste is practically exponential - because they use cane sugar instead of (*cough, gag*) corn sugar, you get something that tastes like real food instead of a sickeningly sweet saccharine bomb.

I've cut high fructose corn syrup out of my diet almost completely, and one's body adjusts accordingly - I'm not sure I can even tolerate it now. If I "stray" and out of desperation eat some vending machine abomination, I feel bloated, nauseous and ill.

Corn Industry Pushes New Name, Journalist Donations in the News and More in Capital Eye Opener: September 15
By Michael Beckel on September 15, 2010 12:40 PM

SWEET NEW NAME FOR CORN SYRUP?: The agribusiness industry is hoping a name change can help turn around public perception about a sweet-tasting product: high-fructose corn syrup. The Washington-based Corn Refiners Association is asking the Food and Drug Administration for permission to change the name of often vilified sweetener to “corn sugar,” the Associated Press reports. Most soft drink makers and snack companies switched over to the cheaper high-fructose corn syrup during the 1980s. Author and food activist Michael Pollan has written that corn sweeteners accounted for 10 percent of all calories Americans consume -- and up to 20 percent of the calories American kids consume. The Mayo Clinic officially urges moderation. And American consumption of the sweetener is currently at a 20-year low, according to the AP.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:23:08pm

re: #56 Kragar

OK, they can turn themselves in.

You don't have to come and confess. We're looking for you, we gon' find you. We gon' find you...

62 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:23:35pm

Well, Darth Maul's return, while not disappointing, was certainly disturbing.

63 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:23:52pm

But. They've been changing over anyway.

More Packaged-Food Producers Replace High Fructose Corn Syrup

64 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:24:40pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

You don't have to come and confess. We're looking for you, we gon' find you. We gon' find you...

65 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:25:47pm

Sugar-sweetened beverage consumption and the progression of chronic kidney disease in the Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis (MESA)

Second, in examining whether sugar-sweetened beverages influence the rate of CKD progression, we also indirectly examined the role of high-fructose corn syrup, the sweetener for these beverages, in such progression. The controversy over the potential dangers of high-fructose corn syrup has been playing out not only in the medical literature (15–20), but also in the mainstream media, including advertising campaigns funded by the corn-producing industry (www.sweetsurprise.com). Opponents of high-fructose corn syrup voice concern over fructose's unique metabolism driving the synthesis of uric acid. In animal models, fructose-associated hyperuricemia produces a metabolic syndrome associated with glomerular hypertension, renal hypertrophy, cortical vasoconstriction, and arteriolopathy of renal vasculature (21, 22). Defenders of high-fructose corn syrup point out that this sweetener consists of ≈40–55% fructose (the other components being glucose and readily hydrolyzable polymers of glucose); therefore, findings from animal and human studies that use 100% fructose formulations are not applicable to high-fructose corn syrup (23). Indeed, in our study, sugar-sweetened beverages showed the same lack of association with CKD progression as diet sodas, which argues against a causative role for high-fructose corn syrup.

66 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:26:32pm

Good times. Now. Imagine being the president. People expect you to be on top of all this and more. Suddenly thought about that.

67 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:27:14pm

re: #48 Gus

Maybe. But you do have to consider that children are exposed to large quantities of soft drinks and adults can consume far more soft drinks than they would a dark beer. You know what I mean? The dosages would in fact be higher for coke drinkers. It's a "family refreshment" so that has a bigger impact as well. With beer you can stick another warning label on it and they won't care.

Any 8 year-old can legally purchase enough acetaminophen (AKA Tylenol) to permanently shut down his liver in an afternoon for less money than a couple of 12-packs of the rice and corn-based crap that passes for American beer. Between Coke, Coors, and TheraFlu, guess which one is least likely to cause a parent panic?

68 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:28:04pm

And why am I paying for diabetes caused by peoples' personal choices to indulge in diets high in sweets through my health insurance premiums?!?!

69 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:28:14pm

re: #67 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Any 8 year-old can legally purchase enough acetaminophen (AKA Tylenol) to permanently shut down his liver in an afternoon for less money than a couple of 12-packs of the rice and corn-based crap that passes for American beer. Between Coke, Coors, and TheraFlu, guess which one is least likely to cause a parent panic?

TheraFlu? But if you start finding empty bottles of TheraFlu in your teens bedroom...

70 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:28:17pm

re: #65 Gus

It's getting a lot of attention, including some well known research physicians (I think I've linked the youtube video here before of a presentation a year ago at UCSD on this very topic.)

Humans are quite capable of digesting fructose and sucrose, given our primate nature. The problem clearly is overdosing on the stuff.

One of the sad side effects of modernity is our suicide by food phenomenon. Before the 20th century I doubt anyone would have thought it possible.

71 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:30:15pm

re: #68 Meh.

And why am I paying for diabetes caused by peoples' personal choices to indulge in diets high in sweets through my health insurance premiums?!?!

We're subsidizing the healthcare for people that line the pockets of the soft drink and snack industry!

//

*That's actually a valid argument.

73 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:31:58pm

Especially as a counterpoint to the contraception babble we've been hearing from the GOP.

74 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:32:47pm

re: #69 Gus

TheraFlu? But if you start finding empty bottles of TheraFlu in your teens bedroom...

My first question would be "when do I start getting my cut from these meth sales?"

75 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:33:05pm

re: #73 Gus

Yeah, but can you combine: contraception, Prof. Bell, and corn syrup into one topic?

76 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:33:19pm

re: #69 Gus

TheraFlu? But if you start finding empty bottles of TheraFlu in your teens bedroom...

Accidental acetaminophen overdose is the #1 cause of sudden liver failure in the US. People get a cold and start chugging NyQuil, Tylenol Cold & Flu, etc, and next thing they know they're trying to get on the transplant list. This happens commonly, but people go batshit over the idea that they might get cancer if they drink eleventy-seven diet sodas over the course of 60 years.

77 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:33:30pm

re: #73 Gus

Especially as a counterpoint to the contraception babble we've been hearing from the GOP.

That's where I was going with that.

78 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:34:34pm

re: #77 Meh.

That's where I was going with that.

Yep. Noticed that right away.

79 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:35:16pm

re: #78 Gus

Yep. Noticed that right away.

Happy to see it didn't fall flat...

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:36:05pm

re: #70 freetoken

It's getting a lot of attention, including some well known research physicians (I think I've linked the youtube video here before of a presentation a year ago at UCSD on this very topic.)

Humans are quite capable of digesting fructose and sucrose, given our primate nature. The problem clearly is overdosing on the stuff.

One of the sad side effects of modernity is our suicide by food phenomenon. Before the 20th century I doubt anyone would have thought it possible.

Yeah, it's the QUANTITY of the substance consumed. People really need to pay attention to the carbs they consume. They are the cheapest and easiest to munch.

Especially at restaurants, bread on the table, a side of potatoes or pasta on something that is breaded? add the alcohol beverages and that is enough carbs for 3 days.

81 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:37:09pm

re: #75 freetoken

Yeah, but can you combine: contraception, Prof. Bell, and corn syrup into one topic?

Probably could. Considering the intake of certain foods (snack foods and soft drinks) within the black communities of America. That being higher incidences of particular diseases. But then we'd have to create a framework within a critical race theory.

82 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:38:53pm

re: #81 Gus

Probably could. Considering the intake of certain foods (snack foods and soft drinks) within the black communities of America. That being higher incidences of particular diseases. But then we'd have to create a framework within a critical race theory.

When my Dear Ole' Dad had his stroke, I did some research. At that time, they called the Southern States, the "Stroke Belt" because of the poor diets overall and the prevalance of "soul food". Afrikan Americans were 40% more likely to have a stroke.

So I went and yelled at all my AA friends.

Didn't stop smoking tho.

they laughed at me.

83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:40:02pm

re: #82 ggt

When my Dear Ole' Dad had his stroke, I did some research. At that time, they called the Southern States, the "Stroke Belt" because of the poor diets overall and the prevalance of "soul food". Afrikan Americans were 40% more likely to have a stroke.

So I went and yelled at all my AA friends.

Didn't stop smoking tho.

they laughed at me.

Then some one fed me some "greens" and "fried potatoes" cooked in the Soul Food tradition.

OMG! I wouldn't mind dying that way.

84 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:41:32pm

re: #81 Gus

Well, certain communities do manifest Type II diabetes more than others... I think you could indeed build something.

That's the whole thing with the First Lady's food campaign though - the connections she makes about life and food and society and social groups are there in reality, but the subtleness of the interactions get lost on the troglodytes who just want to call her names.

We are (at least) what we eat, and what we eat is influence by our childhood and in-groups in adulthood. IOW, if you are around people who consume junk you're more likely to do it yourself.

85 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:44:32pm

OK now this is hilarious!

Image: Anl9iCWCMAADXQl.jpg

86 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:46:25pm

re: #85 Gus

OK now this is hilarious!

Image: Anl9iCWCMAADXQl.jpg

That's the creepiest thing I've seen this year.

87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:46:33pm

Your text to link...I'm still not sure I understand the difference between the protocols for military and civilian prosecution of terrorists.

A key difference is that, in military commissions, evidentiary rules reflect the realities of the battlefield and of conducting investigations in a war zone. For example, statements may be admissible even in the absence of Miranda warnings, because we cannot expect military personnel to administer warnings to an enemy captured in battle. But instead, a military judge must make other findings – for instance, that the statement is reliable and that it was made voluntarily.

88 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:48:33pm

re: #85 Gus

OK now this is hilarious!

Image: Anl9iCWCMAADXQl.jpg

SMACK! Ewww, Bad Gus!

89 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:49:58pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

SMACK! Ewww, Bad Gus!

Don't blame me it's the people I follow on Twitter!

//

90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:52:00pm

re: #85 Gus

OK now this is hilarious!

Image: Anl9iCWCMAADXQl.jpg

Spending the "rest" of his life trying to get back in?

91 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:52:46pm

re: #90 ggt

Spending the "rest" of his life trying to get back in?

Or to keep an eye on things. We'd have to ask the original artist. ;)

92 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:53:40pm

re: #91 Gus

Or to keep an eye on things. We'd have to ask the original artist. ;)

Doing a DNA ID check on any sperm he may find?

93 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:54:20pm

re: #85 Gus

OK now this is hilarious!

Image: Anl9iCWCMAADXQl.jpg

I've always liked how much we resemble a plant.

94 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:54:43pm

re: #62 Meh.

Well, Darth Maul's return, while not disappointing, was certainly disturbing.

And I just found out that this was written by Katie Lucas, so it comes right from the source, once removed. About as close to "canon" as you can get.

95 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:55:16pm

re: #93 prairiefire

I've always liked how much we resemble a plant.

and other things . . .

96 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:56:24pm

re: #95 ggt

and other things . . .

Too dry!!

97 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:56:30pm

re: #93 prairiefire

I've always liked how much we resemble a plant.

Yeah. There's a lot the same symmetry. Veins, dermis, etc. Water instead of blood.

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:58:45pm

re: #94 Meh.

And I just found out that this was written by Katie Lucas, so it comes right from the source, once removed. About as close to "canon" as you can get.

Where did this happen?

99 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:59:08pm
100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:02:13pm

Slow Friday Night.

Remember when we used to haiku?

Yeah, I wasn't into it either.

101 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:05:30pm

re: #100 ggt

Slow Friday Night.

Remember when we used to haiku?

Yeah, I wasn't into it either.

To be a plant. A life form without consciousness.

//Not haiku.

102 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:07:07pm

That's what's great about cells. Organs themselves are like our very own autonomous "life forms" without consciousness. The heart doesn't have to consciously think itself to beat. Nor the liver to function.

103 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:08:14pm

Surabaya Stew is checking our homework.

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:10:10pm

I'm outta here for a while.

have fun all!

105 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:15:01pm

re: #100 ggt

Slow Friday Night.

Remember when we used to haiku?

Yeah, I wasn't into it either.

Haikus can be fun
But when inspiration lacks
You get stuff like this.

106 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:17:46pm

Harold Camping admits the obvious - he was was wrong!


Harold Camping repents for 'sinful' prediction

Harold Camping, the radio preacher who wrongly predicted that Jesus would return May 21 of last year, has released a remorseful statement calling his prediction "sinful" and saying his critics were right in stating that no one knows the date of Christ's second coming.

The statement by Camping and the "staff of Family Radio" was posted in early March at FamilyRadio.com.

[...]

107 JAFO  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:18:53pm
108 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:20:55pm

re: #107 Ghost of Tom Joad

The Fucking Weather

[Link: thefuckingweather.com...]

109 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:26:25pm

re: #106 freetoken

Harold Camping admits the obvious - he was was wrong!

Harold Camping repents for 'sinful' prediction

So he's giving the money back?

110 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:30:44pm

re: #109 Kragar

So he's giving the money back?

Don't think so.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:34:05pm

re: #67 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Any 8 year-old can legally purchase enough acetaminophen (AKA Tylenol) to permanently shut down his liver in an afternoon for less money than a couple of 12-packs of the rice and corn-based crap that passes for American beer. Between Coke, Coors, and TheraFlu, guess which one is least likely to cause a parent panic?

My America is better than your America, apparently :D

112 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:37:13pm

re: #110 freetoken

Don't think so.

Then he can fuck right the fuck off.

113 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:38:54pm

re: #112 Kragar

Then he can fuck right the fuck off.

Only if the weather allows.

114 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:49:01pm

Bob plays every Monday he's in town at The Saxon Pub with his band Lonelyland:

[Link: thesaxonpub.com...]

$10, and about ten blocks from my house. I've seen him dozens of times.

It's a good thing.

115 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:53:01pm

re: #112 Kragar

Then he can fuck right the fuck off.

Well put.

116 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:59:30pm

I should start a church. Don't really need to adhere to any common sense morals or ethics -- just make up your own set of rules. Tax free; lots of legal exemptions; and you get to take and keep other people's money regardless. Don't really need a degree; a certificate; or a license to practice. Heck, you can even come up with your own medical, I mean faith healing practice and get away with it. All you have to do is offer people "eternal salvation" and provide them with moving words to guide their lives based on your own, aforementioned, morals and ethics. What a deal.

//

117 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:03:16pm

re: #116 Gus

I should start a church. Don't really need to adhere to any common sense morals or ethics -- just make up your own set of rules.

The IRS has rules for these sort of things.

118 Gus  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:05:09pm

re: #117 freetoken

The IRS has rules for these sort of things.

Cool. Mah brain is shutting down. Good night.

119 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:12:05pm

re: #116 Gus

I should start a church. Don't really need to adhere to any common sense morals or ethics -- just make up your own set of rules. Tax free; lots of legal exemptions; and you get to take and keep other people's money regardless. Don't really need a degree; a certificate; or a license to practice. Heck, you can even come up with your own medical, I mean faith healing practice and get away with it. All you have to do is offer people "eternal salvation" and provide them with moving words to guide their lives based on your own, aforementioned, morals and ethics. What a deal.

//

Worked for L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology was created on a bet with Fritz Lieber (a much better sic-fi writer, but not nearly as savvy a businessman).

120 freetoken  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:16:18pm
121 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 10:58:56pm

re: #120 freetoken

Beware, all you single guys getting dating tips online.

I'll just stick with being immense and immortal.

122 Lidane  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:05:01pm

I'm tired. I have a small blister on the side of my foot from all the walking. It was still a fun time at SXSW.

Met some really nice people. Saw an interview of Bing Gordon. Hit a few parties for free food and booze. Saw a documentary about Wikileaks which is worth your time if you get a chance to see it. Found out Al Gore is interviewing Sean Parker next week, which should be interesting. All in all, a great experience and this was just the first day.

123 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:09:31pm

re: #121 Kragar

I'll just stick with being immense and immortal.

I am the luckiest guy in the whole world..
We sat alone tonight just talking..You know this is crazy.. I'm falling in love.
We can't get away for 2 weeks because of scheduling conflicts. Honest to God truth..We sat and talked and kissed and talked about our up coming big freaking date.. I don't give a damn if it is in any place in the world...It may be the best weekend of my life..If she wants to go to Paris for lunch I swear to God we are doing it..I am a very happy guy tonight

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:18:00pm

re: #121 Kragar

I'll just stick with being immense and immortal.

Good luck finding a "Chubby Chaser" that'll put up with your shit for eternity.

125 Kragar  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:18:47pm

re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Good luck finding a "Chubby Chaser" that'll put up with your shit for eternity.

Thats what the shackles are for.

126 Guanxi88  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:57:51pm

Good evening, honcos! Hoosier - ain't it great, being in love? You're a lucky man, you know. Being in love is perhaps the single greatest experience we humans are privileged to enjoy.

127 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:58:09pm

re: #120 freetoken

Beware, all you single guys getting dating tips online.

We have all tried talking to women like human beings, entertained them, bought them drinks all even and then watched them drift out the door just before closing time with some fellow who sidles up and sweeps her off her feet...

fergit it, I will resort to cheap tricks and short-term results

/

128 Guanxi88  Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:58:58pm

re: #122 Lidane

I'm tired. I have a small blister on the side of my foot from all the walking. It was still a fun time at SXSW.

Met some really nice people. Saw an interview of Bing Gordon. Hit a few parties for free food and booze. Saw a documentary about Wikileaks which is worth your time if you get a chance to see it. Found out Al Gore is interviewing Sean Parker next week, which should be interesting. All in all, a great experience and this was just the first day.

You was in Austin? You one o' them outta towners who keep bogging down our networks with yer fancy smartphones? You know the only people following your tweets from SXSW are the folk already there, dontcha?

129 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:00:40am

re: #127 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

We have all tried talking to women like human beings, entertained them, bought them drinks all even and then watched them drift out the door just before closing time with some fellow who sidles up and sweeps her off her feet...

fergit it, I will resort to cheap tricks and short-term results

/

My favorite - and this because only - tactic is to play 20 questions with a lady. I'll just man up - after a few drinks - and ask her some oddball question, and offer to entertain one of hers as in response. Any woman who's not up to that is probably not worth the time. Met many, many interesting young ladies that way.

130 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:05:09am

Guanxi88's tasting notes: Chapter the Next:

While it is known to us that the Lord was pleased to reveal Himself first at Sinai, we know that He has shown His mighty and beneficent Hand elsewhere, too. kentucky, the Lord's backyard - well, that one goes without saying; no other explanation for bourbon, the apotheosis of corn - but I find that it pleased Him to allow some of His grace to fall even in New Jersey.

I refer, of course, to Laird's Applejack, the poor man's calvados. Well worth the few shekels it costs, and an excellent drop on a cool and damp evening. Mix is with ginger ale, or make a hot toddy of it, for maximum enjoyment.

Blessed art Thou, O Lord our G_d, Who has revealed Himself through the fruits of the land, and all that.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:07:02am

re: #127 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

We have all tried talking to women like human beings, entertained them, bought them drinks all even and then watched them drift out the door just before closing time with some fellow who sidles up and sweeps her off her feet...

Umm... That "some fellow" is known as "The Boyfriend".

Seen it a million times. Young gal working the bar for free drinks, while her man hangs back and watches. You leave for a moment to pee, make a call, whatever, and she bails with her man. It's a common scam.

132 freetoken  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:09:50am
133 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:19:24am

Question for the room: My ex-wife is getting remarried, date set for August. What would be a suitable wedding gift? This is one of those awkward things - we're better friends since the divorce than ever we were when married - and while I'm pleased that alimony will be ending shortly (increasing my disposable income substantially), I want to offer something that conveys my best wishes for a happy life for the both of them. Recommendations?

134 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:22:20am

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Umm... That "some fellow" is known as "The Boyfriend".

Seen it a million times. Young gal working the bar for free drinks, while her man hangs back and watches. You leave for a moment to pee, make a call, whatever, and she bails with her man. It's a common scam.

Some couples even get their kicks thus. The distaff side will let herself get chatted up thus, and then take it out on her fellow.

Ahh.... sweet memories.

135 simoom  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:22:57am

On Top of the World - The Cynic Project

136 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:23:24am

re: #127 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

We have all tried talking to women like human beings, entertained them, bought them drinks all even and then watched them drift out the door just before closing time with some fellow who sidles up and sweeps her off her feet...

fergit it, I will resort to cheap tricks and short-term results

/

Persistence, smile, and a martini, to quote the book title......

137 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:25:37am

BTW, for all the new lizards here, or for those who haven't been here:

goddamnedfrank is a peerless advisor on all matters amatory and relational. I find that his advice is not merely timely, but is even ahead of its time; had I followed his counsel earlier, very different, indeed, would things have turned out.

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:35:59am

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

For example...

Me and some friends were at a local bar when an attractive young gal sat next to me, and without anything resembling an introduction, she flat out said "Are you gonna buy me a drink, or do I have to buy my own".

Being the dick that I am, I laughed in her face. She turned to the guy on the other side of her, and he obliged.

I eavesdropped, and over the course of a few drinks, the topic of conversation was about what a loser I was for missing out on hanging with such a fine lady. And she was hot, I won't lie.

In the mean time, I'm scanning the place, as I am wont to do, and I notice a lone guy at a table just behind us. He seems uninterested, yet at the same time focused on the gal between me and the dumbass.

Well, the mark gets up to use the bathroom, and as soon as he is out of sight, the gal stands up, Mr. Uninterested stands up, and they leave together without a word spoken.

And that poor bastard. He came back from the bathroom, looked at that empty bar stool, then looked at me. The look on his face was priceless.

139 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:36:41am

Quiet room tonight. Hmm......

Perhaps a joke would help loosen you folks up a bit.

Seems there was this fellow who walked into a deli on the Lower East Side. He sees an obviously Orthodox man sitting across from a Chinese man.

He joins their table - place is crowded - and they introduce themselves.

Orthodox fellow says, "My name's Sean Fergusson." Man asks how it happened that he ended up with such a name.

"Ellis Island," Mr. Fergusson replies, "When the inspector asked my name, I got nervous and blurted out, 'Ich habe schoen fergessen,' and so he entered 'Sean Fergusson' for my name."

They all laugh, and the guest turns to the Chinese fellow. "And what's your name?"

"Sean Fergusson," he answers.

"And how did that happen?"

"I was standing behind him, and when the inspector asked my name, I answered, 'Sam Ting.'"

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

140 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:39:18am

re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

You were there? What a good time we had.

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:41:11am

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Umm... That "some fellow" is known as "The Boyfriend".

Seen it a million times. Young gal working the bar for free drinks, while her man hangs back and watches. You leave for a moment to pee, make a call, whatever, and she bails with her man. It's a common scam.

In many cases it was some sort of ex-boyfriend or similar interest (one who usually looked like Viggo Mortensen - I always despised him for that reason) who waltzed in the door near closing time.

I also knew several rather handsome guys who told me that is exactly how they operated: hit the bars at closing time when the girls are already drunk and drag someone off.

Usually the one I had been chatting with all night and deluding myself into thinking I was getting somewhere...

142 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:42:08am

There are many ways to tell you're getting older. Here's one:

During move-in at the local college, whereas you used to check out the incoming freshman girls, you now find yourself looking at their mothers.

Happened to me recently. Quite a shock.

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:42:29am

re: #140 Guanxi88

I successfully resisted the urge to rub it in the mark's face. I figured he learned his lesson.

144 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:43:22am

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I successfully resisted the urge to rub it in the mark's face. I figured he learned his lesson.

No, there;s almost no man immune to that hype. It's just human nature....

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:49:08am

re: #144 Guanxi88

More's the pity, I suppose.

And for the record, I possess no animosity towards the female type. It is those that play at head games who I can't stand. Male or female, it does not matter.

146 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:51:20am

Not to reveal too much, but I was seeing a young lady many years ago who used to get her kicks by having me take her to bars and parties and then hanging back. She was rather fond of the flirtation she attracted - and she attracted quite a bit of it, too - and she'd let things build a bit with a mark ("pigeons," we called them), but we'd always leave together. As I said, she'd take it out on me when we got home.

As she told me, "It doesn't matter how I get hungry, so long as I come home for dinner."

147 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:52:42am

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

More's the pity, I suppose.

And for the record, I possess no animosity towards the female type. It is those that play at head games who I can't stand. Male or female, it does not matter.

Oh, I think such games are, in large measure, what makes human courtship rituals so deeply interesting. Tastes differ, I suppose.

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:53:08am

re: #146 Guanxi88

Ha! With that, I am out.

Peace Lizards.

149 researchok  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 1:43:48am

Morning, all

150 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:33:07am

'Morning, all.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:44:14am

Still morning here, so 'morning back!

152 Kragar  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:46:49am

SPRING FEVER!

153 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:47:13am

An hour to sunup here, where we're celebrating a newly-minted Southerner--Mitt (I like grits) Romney.

154 Kragar  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:49:30am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

An hour to sunup here, where we're celebrating a newly-minted Southerner--Mitt (I like grits) Romney.

"The grits are just the right height."

155 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:50:19am

re: #154 Kragar

"The grits are just the right height."

Guess he ordered one grit, and liked it.

156 Kragar  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:58:31am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Guess he ordered one grit, and liked it.

"I have many friends who own grits."

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:06:39am

The cotton plants are the right height. I have never worked as a cotton-picker but I have several friends who...er, um....Say, could you pass some more collard greens?

158 Kragar  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:18:30am

"Morning, y'all." Romney seeks acceptance in South

Running Romney.exe /Southerner
error: file not found

159 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:49:42am

Mornin' y'all!

[Dobro slide.]

160 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:52:03am
161 Lidane  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:00:48am

re: #128 Guanxi88

You was in Austin? You one o' them outta towners who keep bogging down our networks with yer fancy smartphones? You know the only people following your tweets from SXSW are the folk already there, dontcha?

Smartphone? Check. Bogging down yer networks? You betcha! And yeah, I'm sure people are ignoring all my tweets, but I do it anyway. I'm all local, though. No out-of-town hipster here. ;)

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:04:22am

re: #159 Gus

Yo, y'all.

163 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:05:15am

re: #162 Creeping Diversity

Yo, y'all.

re: #162 Creeping Diversity

Yo, y'all.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeha!

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:05:29am
165 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:06:18am

re: #164 Creeping Diversity

[Embedded content]

Budder.

OK, that was the first time I've ever "heard" her.

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:07:24am

re: #165 Gus

Last second there - a python swallowing a canary.

167 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:08:10am

re: #166 Creeping Diversity

Last second there - a python swallowing a canary.

I liked Rick Bayless.

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:08:53am

Oh. I see she actually has diabetes. Well, so much for fried cheesecake and donut burgers.

169 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:09:09am
170 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:10:23am

Need cawfee and quick smoke.

171 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:10:48am
172 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:11:00am

Then there's this (pdf): [Link: multimedia.savannahnow.com...]

173 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:15:05am

Damn, coding was wrong on hyperlink try this: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

174 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:15:25am

re: #172 Creeping Diversity

Then there's this (pdf): [Link: multimedia.savannahnow.com...]

She's weird.

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:17:21am

re: #159 Gus

Mornin' y'all!

[Dobro slide.]

Morning Gus.

Uhu

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:19:08am

Morning to the Lizards.

Sleeping cat and cup of tea at hand. About ready to head to the kitchen and fix a few eggs and toast before starting with all the errands for the day.

Low on supplies due to working both days last weekend. And the current catfood supply won't last another week without a restock.

178 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:22:44am

re: #171 dragonfire1981

Wow, what the fuck?

Georgia GOP wants to force women to carry dead babies

Links busted. Too one too many "http".

179 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:26:52am

re: #178 Gus

look two posts down from that for right link or check my most recent page

180 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:29:08am

re: #179 dragonfire1981

look two posts down from that for right link or check my most recent page

Oh. Livestock? Seriously?

181 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:32:43am

re: #142 Guanxi88

There are many ways to tell you're getting older. Here's one:

During move-in at the local college, whereas you used to check out the incoming freshman girls, you now find yourself looking at their mothers.

Happened to me recently. Quite a shock.

You'll be fine.

How goes it?

182 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:42:23am

Yep. 2012 and we're having a "culture war" over "the pill."

Like George Carlin said about these folks. It's the same people that would want to start a war at every moment and execute people on an hourly basis.

183 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:51:26am

Vernon Bryant, The Austin American-Statesman

Leslie Cochran at rest at an Austin intersection in 1998.

184 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:52:21am

Remember the outrage when I speculated that the dick who was mailing white powder and threatening letters to elected officials might be affiliated with the Occupy movement?

Arrest in threatening letters sent to Congress

A 39-year-old man charged in connection with threatening letters containing white powder that were sent to members of Congress and some media organizations was arrested Friday.
Investigators said Christopher Lee Carlson was indicted on two criminal counts arising out of an investigation into the mailing of about 100 envelopes containing white power.
The letters, postmarked in Portland, Ore., so far have all tested negative for toxic substances, the U.S. Attorney's office in Portland said.
A federal grand jury indictment returned Friday in Portland charged Carlson, described as being from the Portland-Vancouver, Wash., area.

This appears to be his twitter feed: Chris Carlson

@Chr1sCarls0n
I'm me.
Vancouver WA · [Link: occupywallst.org...]

185 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:53:57am

re: #184 Killgore Trout

COMMENCE WITH THE DOWNDINGS!!!

186 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:54:55am

Old school.

187 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:55:41am

re: #185 sattv4u2

COMMENCE WITH THE DOWNDINGS!!!

Followed by hours of word twisting and wild strawman accusations!

188 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:56:08am

Yawn.

189 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:56:25am

...let's not forget the excuses and obfuscation.

190 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:56:45am

Victim.

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:58:23am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

There were neither excuses nor obfuscation. There was no evidence then, there might be evidence now. That's all there is to it.

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:00:08am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

...let's not forget the excuses and obfuscation.

and name calling

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:01:20am

Oh, poor dears.

194 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:01:41am

re: #158 Kragar

"Morning, y'all." Romney seeks acceptance in South

Running Romney.exe /Southerner
error: file not found

He's just being goofy and deliberately over-the-top this time. Mitt knows full well that he can't pass himself off as a Southerner, so he's hamming it up praise the audience and get some laughs. It's actually a good tactic that may win some people over.

195 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:02:04am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

...let's not forget the excuses and obfuscation.

You ever stop and think that nobody or not too many people give a crap about some crazy OWS guy that sent powdery substance via mail? There's a lot of crime that goes on around this country on a daily basis and if you reported them here you could fill up thousands of pages per hour. You've been beating this dead horse about OWS since October which is about 5 months of daily trolling about the topic which mainly isn't about reporting the news or creating dialogue but simply meant to irritate the rest of the people here. Most of what you post now regarding OWS is framed around your own self-interest and your own narcissistic needs.

196 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:04:01am

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Followed by hours of word twisting and wild strawman accusations!

It's not hours KT. It's typical about an hour. Most of the time people just ignore you now and you seem to not be around much anymore. That is when you're not whining about boycotting Rush Limbaugh.

197 Lidane  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:05:55am

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Hey, look at that. More concern trolling about OWS. What a surprise.

Lucky for me, I could give a fuck anymore. Joss Whedon is at SXSW today. That's way more interesting.

198 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:07:01am

re: #197 Lidane

Hey, look at that. More concern trolling about OWS. What a surprise.

Lucky for me, I could give a fuck anymore. Joss Whedon is at SXSW today. That's way more interesting.

The Bronx Zoo Cobra is there too. Say hi. (have a great time!, I'm sure you are!)

199 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:08:14am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

...let's not forget the excuses and obfuscation.

Right after you frame your latest troll to be confrontational. Give me a break. Read this:

Remember the outrage when I speculated that the dick who was mailing white powder and threatening letters to elected officials might be affiliated with the Occupy movement?

You say crap like this and then pretend to be some kind of diplomat. You come in here and are the first one to start with the name calling. No one said anything.

200 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:08:24am

re: #191 Creeping Diversity

There were neither excuses nor obfuscation. There was no evidence then, there might be evidence now. That's all there is to it.

He sent the letters to two Democrats (Sens, Barbara Mikulski (D-Md) and Patty Murray (D, Wa) as well as House Speaker Boehner. Given his proclivity for attacking both parties, is it possible he's under the spell of the Magical Balance Fairy?

/kidding about that last.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:09:09am

Here's the thing: when you make an intellectually dishonest accusation against someone, and then it turns out to coincide at least partially with truth, it doesn't make the accusation any less dishonest.

See: Joe McCarthy.

202 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:10:05am

re: #192 sattv4u2

and name calling

Doodyheaded Wingnut!
/

203 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:11:47am

Morning, fellow lizards. Am I in time for the daily outrage?

204 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:12:43am

re: #203 Targetpractice

Morning, fellow lizards. Am I in time for the daily outrage?

Just KT's outrage at us not caring about his latest OWS report.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:12:55am

re: #203 Targetpractice

You still have some time left to twist KT's words!

206 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:14:10am

re: #204 Gus

Just KT's outrage at us not caring about his latest OWS report.

Oh, is that all? Shit, I thought it was something interesting.

207 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:14:35am

re: #205 Creeping Diversity

You still have some time left to twist KT's words!

Time? What do you mean by "Time"!?!? It's a relative term!
/E=MC2

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:15:12am

Morning all!

I'm soooo tired,

How are you?

209 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:15:15am

re: #205 Creeping Diversity

You still have some time left to twist KT's words!

The left! Clearly we're not interested in what OWS is doing therefore we're antisemitic and anti-Israel!

//

210 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:15:36am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Oh, is that all? Shit, I thought it was something interesting.

Terrorist threats from extremists is only interesting if wingnuts can be implicated. Everybody knows that.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:15:54am

re: #196 Gus

It's not hours KT. It's typical about an hour. Most of the time people just ignore you now and you seem to not be around much anymore. That is when you're not whining about boycotting Rush Limbaugh.

How is it trolling? This guy has no connection to OWS nor anyone else. This is a classic "lone nut".

[kidding]He even has the three names of a "lone nut", Christopher Lee Carlson. But that means.... OMG! CARLSON WAS INTENDED AS THE FALL GUY FOR A PLAN TO WIPE OUT CONGRESS AND MAKE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AMERICA'S DICTATOR!!!11[/kidding]

212 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:16:31am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Terrorist threats from extremists is only interesting if wingnuts can be implicated. Everybody knows that.

White powder in envelopes is soooo 2001.

213 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:17:10am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Terrorist threats from extremists is only interesting if wingnuts can be implicated. Everybody knows that.

Not really. You just do the opposite of the group. You really don't care one way or the other. You just do it to feel superior.

And that profile pic of yours is meant to incite people.

214 Lidane  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:18:12am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Oh, is that all? Shit, I thought it was something interesting.

On a way more interesting note, this comes out soon:

The latest KT faux outrage over our lack of outrage over OWS anymore, or a film about Nazis from the dark side of the moon invading the Earth during a Palin-style presidency? I know which is more fun.

215 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:19:11am

re: #209 Gus

The left! Clearly we're not interested in what OWS is doing therefore we're antisemitic and anti-Israel!

//

Did either Killgore or the article even mention OWS? No, they did not.

216 Lidane  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:19:46am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Read #184 again.

217 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:21:46am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Did either Killgore or the article even mention OWS? No, they did not.

Emphasis for your reading comprehension...

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Remember the outrage when I speculated that the dick who was mailing white powder and threatening letters to elected officials might be affiliated with the Occupy movement? [snip]

218 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:23:07am

re: #214 Lidane

On a way more interesting note, this comes out soon:

[Embedded content]The latest KT faux outrage over our lack of outrage over OWS anymore, or a film about Nazis from the dark side of the moon invading the Earth during a Palin-style presidency? I know which is more fun.

Definitely want to see that, but also wanna see this:

219 Lidane  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:24:18am

OK. I'm off. The interview with Joss is at 11 and I need to get dressed and get downtown. Later, Lizards!

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:28:49am

re: #216 Lidane

Read #184 again.

Ah, I see. Though that only proves the fan was a fan of OWS. It doesn't prove the affection was reciprocated.

221 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:32:28am

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

That loon Carlson put the OWS link of his Twitter page. Killgore just copied it. That's no act of trolling in my eyes.

The name, age and location match the suspect. The content of his letters suggested to might be an occupy supporter which also matches his twitter account. Of course it's not certain but there's a strong possibility it's the same guy.

222 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:38:05am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Sorry Killgore, but I changed the post after you quoted it. You did indeed make an unproven OWS connection.

But enough of that! The story had 4 comments, so here's some Fox FAIL so we can get started with a laugh this morning:

Showing 4 comments disqus commenting...


seaspray 7 hours ago

So many Koo Koo's out there.......what a nut job.

john_q_militia 10 hours ago

"The sender wanted an "end to corporate money and 'lobbying,'" an end to corporate "personhood" and a new constitutional convention."

Definitely one of Obama's supporters.
2 people liked this.

azdart 10 hours ago

'mailing of a threatening communication' if you vote or indorse this bill I won't vote for you again! I guess that makes me a criminal.

socalapril 12 hours ago


So wait a minute.....this nutjob was a liberal OWS loser.

And why exactly isn't this blasted all over the media. Why is it that this administration and dimwit-0-craps still stand with these violent criminals,? Look it up all the demands are the mantra that the OWS unwashed masses follow and want.
2 people liked this.


Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:38:39am

OMG!

OWS was so LAST YEAR!

bblater.

224 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:47:03am

re: #223 ggt

OMG!

OWS was so LAST YEAR!

bblater.

Sure was a thread killer that's for sure.

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:54:44am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Terrorist threats from extremists is only interesting if wingnuts can be implicated. Everybody knows that.

Uh, no. But the problem is that you didn't make it about terrorist threats. You made it about yourself. So that's what we are - unfortunately - discussing.

226 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:05:01am
228 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:11:32am

Reading about family who got kicked off of Jet Blue when their 2 year old melted down.

Found this website

[Link: leavethembehind.com...]

229 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:13:48am

98

230 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:13:55am
231 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:15:12am

re: #230 Gus

That will make him less valuable to Clear Channel, that's for sure.

232 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:17:34am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

That will make him less valuable to Clear Channel, that's for sure.

Don't know where this is going. Clear Channel should have suspended him at the very least until things cooled down. It would have been better for all of us short of firing him. Bottom line IMO would be for Rush to do the right thing and knock it off but he won't. Basically he was in a hole and kept digging.

233 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:24:25am

Ah well

Another fun filled day of commercial insertions for the ACC Basketball tournament

I'll go through about a pound of coffee today!!

234 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:24:34am

re: #232 Gus

Don't know where this is going. Clear Channel should have suspended him at the very least until things cooled down. It would have been better for all of us short of firing him. Bottom line IMO would be for Rush to do the right thing and knock it off but he won't. Basically he was in a hole and kept digging.

If he were to quiet down his listeners would go elsewhere for their rage-fix. So he'll keep on DERPing and hope the storm blows over. He's painted himself into such a corner that he has few other options.

His best option, though, is one he will not take, for it would involve humility and humiliation. He could invite a more religious guest on and before the guest came on offer a sincere-seeming apology. Then have the guest come on and clearly state why Rush was wrong within the Christian tradition. After that the guest would suggest some acts of contrition for Rush to perform, and Rush would need to perform them. This would likely involve at least a personal, written apology to Sandra Fluke.

235 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:31:09am

Drones!
Air strikes in Yemen kill 45 suspected Qaeda militants

U.S. drone attacks killed at least 25 al Qaeda-linked fighters including one of their leaders while a Yemeni air force raid killed 20 more in the south, sources said on Saturday, in the biggest airstrikes since Yemen's new president took office.

236 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:31:47am

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

If he were to quiet down his listeners would go elsewhere for their rage-fix. So he'll keep on DERPing and hope the storm blows over. He's painted himself into such a corner that he has few other options.

His best option, though, is one he will not take, for it would involve humility and humiliation. He could invite a more religious guest on and before the guest came on offer a sincere-seeming apology. Then have the guest come on and clearly state why Rush was wrong within the Christian tradition. After that the guest would suggest some acts of contrition for Rush to perform, and Rush would need to perform them. This would likely involve at least a personal, written apology to Sandra Fluke.

Rush's fans blew a collective gasket when he gave his "apology," even though they've since used it to claim that he's "better" than Bill Maher. For him to do as you suggest would be to admit that his initial "apology" was either A) not an apology or B) insufficient. Neither would be accepted and likely to draw him even more ire from the fans.

Really, at this point, Rush's choices are to either keep doubling down and hope that people just get tired of the whole issue or try to make right by Ms. Fluke and risk the fans leaving in protest.

237 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:34:07am

BZ Cobra SXSW ‏ @BZCobraSXSW

Used to have a crush on him. That accent! RT @PatTwit The Geico Gecko: Key ally in the cause of reptile awareness? Or tasty dinner??

238 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:34:20am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Drones!
Air strikes in Yemen kill 45 suspected Qaeda militants

I'm confused

Are drones good or bad this week!?!?

239 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:35:01am

re: #238 sattv4u2

I'm confused

Are drones good or bad this week!?!?

Always bad. They make Bradley Manning cry.

240 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:35:03am

I laughed.

241 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:35:08am

re: #236 Targetpractice

Rush's fans blew a collective gasket when he gave his "apology," even though they've since used it to claim that he's "better" than Bill Maher. For him to do as you suggest would be to admit that his initial "apology" was either A) not an apology or B) insufficient. Neither would be accepted and likely to draw him even more ire from the fans.

Really, at this point, Rush's choices are to either keep doubling down and hope that people just get tired of the whole issue or try to make right by Ms. Fluke and risk the fans leaving in protest.

Very true. And that should stand as a lesson to wise leaders about the consequences of stoking hate and ignorance in your followers: Doing so means that if you ever need them to show wisdom and good sense they will be unable to do so.

242 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:36:21am

re: #237 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

BZ Cobra SXSW ‏ @BZCobraSXSW

Used to have a crush on him. That accent! RT @PatTwit The Geico Gecko: Key ally in the cause of reptile awareness? Or tasty dinner??

My mother's Cat Overlord votes for "Tasty Dinner".

243 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:37:37am

BTW, Did anyone catch the angle that the Anonymous busts last week seemed designed to implicate Assange? The Strattfor emails went through Wikileaks, I assume this was intentional.

244 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:38:08am

re: #239 Killgore Trout

Always bad. They make Bradley Manning cry.

I think thats because the Indy Colts released his brother, Peyton!!
/

245 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:39:11am
246 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:39:22am

re: #244 sattv4u2

I think thats because the Indy Colts released his brother, Peyton!!
/

SMACK!

247 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:49:25am

re: #245 Gus

This is the song that caused me to pay attention to Robyn Hitchcock.

It's like something Syd Barret might have done under happier circumstances.

248 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:57:41am
249 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 8:58:41am

re: #248 Gus

Woot!

Nick Lowe - Cruel to be Kind


[Embedded content]

Image: nicklowegray.jpg

250 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:09:12am

Somehow few notice that Law Enforcers use new surveillance technology as much to thwart traditional restrictions as actually conduct counter terror operations?

(edited)

251 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:14:12am

re: #238 sattv4u2

I'm confused

Are drones good or bad this week!?!?

It depends on many things...

252 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:16:29am

I met Robyn Hitchcock at Tower Records in San Francisco. He kinda gave me the creeps. Maybe it was the Union Jack etched into one of his front teeth. Talented guy for sure.

On the other hand, I think Nick Lowe is a sweetie.

253 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:16:32am

re: #251 Daniel Ballard

It depends on many things...

Who is posting about them
What the post is about!!

254 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:17:19am

Did I kill the thread?

Maybe this helps.

[Link: www.last.fm...]

Inspired by an earlier mention of Syd Barret

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:18:42am
256 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:20:07am

re: #255 Creeping Diversity

Image: Give_a_fuck.png

Martyr cookies! Martyr cookies! Get 'em while they're hot!

//

257 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:20:14am

Wicked undertow this morning.

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:22:29am

re: #256 Gus

Where did the meme come from? Is that some cookie given out after a suicide bomber explodes or something?

259 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:22:56am

re: #258 Creeping Diversity

Where did the meme come from? Is that some cookie given out after a suicide bomber explodes or something?

Don't know. Let me check...

260 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:24:18am

re: #250 Daniel Ballard

Somehow few notice that Law Enforcers use new surveillance technology as much to thwart traditional restrictions as actually conduct counter terror operations?

(edited)

I'm not too worried about it. Mostly it depends on how they're used. I have no problem with them being used for border surveillance. They could also be used to avoid dangerous car chases. Much cheaper than costly helicopters.

261 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:24:44am

re: #258 Creeping Diversity

Where did the meme come from? Is that some cookie given out after a suicide bomber explodes or something?

Can't find anything right now.

262 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:28:14am

re: #256 Gus

Martyr cookies! Martyr cookies! Get 'em while they're hot!

//

You could just tell me to Shut up and sit down!!!

:)

263 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:28:43am

re: #262 sattv4u2

You could just tell me to Shut up and sit down!!!

:)

Oh. I see.

264 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:29:53am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Sorry I didn't answer your question last night, I was afk for a while. Maul came back in Clone Wars.

265 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:38:48am

re: #260 Killgore Trout

I'm not too worried about it. Mostly it depends on how they're used. I have no problem with them being used for border surveillance. They could also be used to avoid dangerous car chases. Much cheaper than costly helicopters.

I put bold on the key point in your quote. What is out of hand is how quickly they are deliberately "misused", like the Patriot act and FISA. By misused I mean by going from anti terror or anti smuggling, they begin to be used for ordinary law enforcement. But the new tech is really an effective workaround of civil protections. Uses unspoken at deployment. The Patriot act needs a massive restriction-Anti terror only or a sunset clause that has impact.

The Patriot act is used in counter terror only 15% of the time. GPS tech became an instant warrant-less tracking device to be used at will. On mere investigative whims. Enough so ordinary people just find them on their cars. (Most of this is sourced from Wired dot com)

266 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:43:11am

BZ Cobra SXSW ‏ @BZCobraSXSW

I'm on a raw food kick lately. @RSox102175

@BZCobraSXSW Do you prefer your meal boiled, fried, roasted or still wiggling?

267 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:46:54am

Anonymous hacker planned to publish details of women who had abortions

A member of the hacking collective Anonymous broke into the website of Britain's biggest abortion provider and planned to publicly release the details of women who used the service.

James Jeffery, 27, stole around 10,000 database records containing the personal details of women who had registered with the site before "boasting" of his crime on Twitter.
...
But he had a change of heart because he thought doing so would be "wrong", the court was told.

Earlier he had taken to Twitter, under the name Pablo Escobar, to prove he had accessed hundreds of usernames and email addresses. This involved him printing the name and logon details of a BPAS administrator.

He also managed to deface the BPAS website with the Anonymous logo and a statement.

Jeffery later confessed to his crimes during interviews with detectives, telling police two friends had had abortions which he disagreed with, the court heard.

268 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:48:45am

re: #265 Daniel Ballard

I put bold on the key point in your quote. What is out of hand is how quickly they are deliberately "misused", like the Patriot act and FISA. By misused I mean by going from anti terror or anti smuggling, they begin to be used for ordinary law enforcement. But the new tech is really an effective workaround of civil protections. Uses unspoken at deployment. The Patriot act needs a massive restriction-Anti terror only or a sunset clause that has impact.

The Patriot act is used in counter terror only 15% of the time. GPS tech became an instant warrant-less tracking device to be used at will. On mere investigative whims. Enough so ordinary people just find them on their cars. (Most of this is sourced from Wired dot com)

Possibly. Wired is a reasonable source but they do have a strong libertarian streak when it comes to things like this. I haven't investigated enough to form an opinion but I suspect a lot of the Patriot Act criticisms are a bit overblown but that doesn't mean there aren't serious issues.

269 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:52:43am
270 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:56:03am

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Take a couple minutes and look at some of my pages.

We better try to sort out the civil libertarians from the rest. The non Ron Paul kind. At least in my case, anymore I'd hate to have "libertarian" attached to me. Maybe I should coin some other phrase, but nothing comes to mind. Concerns do get overblown but statistics like that 15% are compelling to me.
So is this, in the form of a rhetorical question.
Why has the sun never set on the 15% Patriot Act? It's not Al Qaeda...

271 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 9:59:26am

re: #269 Interesting Times

...seriously?

272 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:00:40am

re: #270 Daniel Ballard


As you know, giving up your rights when you are scared is really easy. Getting them back, almost impossible.

273 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:00:41am

re: #271 Targetpractice

...seriously?

Chico does satire.

274 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01:13am

re: #273 Gus

Chico does satire.

Ah, good to know. I've not kept up with internet satire as well as I should.

275 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01:58am

re: #274 Targetpractice

Ah, good to know. I've not kept up with internet satire as well as I should.

I was following him/her for some time.

276 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:02:12am

re: #272 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

As you know, giving up your rights when you are scared is really easy. Getting them back, almost impossible.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

277 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:05:14am

re: #272 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Zactly.

I may be logging off soon. I have not gotten up away from the concrete and into the hills lately. Time to grab the cameras and see how things look from 6000 feet with a picnic lunch and a beer. Maybe I can bring back something Page worthy. Looking at mountain web cams and weather on other tabs...

278 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:10:35am

re: #277 Daniel Ballard

Zactly.

I may be logging off soon. I have not gotten up away from the concrete and into the hills lately. Time to grab the cameras and see how things look from 6000 feet with a picnic lunch and a beer. Maybe I can bring back something Page worthy. Looking at mountain web cams and weather on other tabs...

It's a freaking beautiful day. Have a great time and say hi to D_L for me!

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:13:35am

Stupid question: I want to track where a windows vista program saves temporary files. Is there some tracking tool for that?

280 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:13:41am
"It was a long time ago, people forget…It was a 7-2 decision. It wasn’t even close,”

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia at Wesleyan University last night

Wow.

281 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:14:13am

re: #270 Daniel Ballard

Take a couple minutes and look at some of my pages.

This is what I get when I click on that:

You haven't posted any LGF Pages yet!

I think we can't share our Dashboards...

282 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:17:02am

re: #279 Creeping Diversity

Stupid question: I want to track where a windows vista program saves temporary files. Is there some tracking tool for that?

Track? You try looking in C:Users"User Name"AppDataRoaming?

283 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:17:28am

Maher calls efforts to pressure Rush Limbaugh’s sponsors ‘the system being manipulated’ (video)

“Let me give you a quote from the ACLU, liberals,” he said. “[T]he ACLU — what more liberal bastion is there than that? ‘It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something that many find reasonable, but the defense of freedom of speech is more critical when the message is something that most people find repulsive.’ We’re looking at you, Rush Limbaugh. But you know what? I would rather put up with Rush Limbaugh and live in a country where we all do have freedom of speech. And the people who I’ve heard say, when they put pressure on his sponsors, the system is working. No it’s not. That’s the system being manipulated.

284 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:17:43am

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Anonymous hacker planned to publish details of women who had abortions

I'm glad he didn't post those records. Whatever one's views on abortion, such a breech of privacy is very wrong. I'd give this fellow a less-than maximum sentence, though, since he did not use the records once he had them and cooperated after he was caught. Oh, I'd still send him to prison, but not for the max.

285 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:17:52am

re: #282 Gus

Thanks. I also found ProcessMonitor, which may be exactly what I want.

286 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:18:31am

re: #280 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia at Wesleyan University last night

Wow.

What decision was he talking about?

287 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:18:39am

re: #281 wrenchwench

Oh crap I should have expected that. I'll take a few minutes and re do that...

288 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:18:46am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Maher only says so because he himself is under attack.

289 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:20:04am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Maher calls efforts to pressure Rush Limbaugh’s sponsors ‘the system being manipulated’ (video)

It's not a 'freedom of speech' issue.

Since when is complaining about what's on the public airwaves not 'part of the system'?

290 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:20:53am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

I'm glad he didn't post those records. Whatever one's views on abortion, such a breech of privacy is very wrong. I'd give this fellow a less-than maximum sentence, though, since he did not use the records once he had them and cooperated after he was caught. Oh, I'd still send him to prison, but not for the max.

It did seem to be an odd thing for an Anon to do but they are a strange bunch.

291 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:21:05am

Okay a couple salient links to the comment I made above...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

292 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:24:31am

re: #288 Creeping Diversity

Maher only says so because he himself is under attack.

Sort of but not really. It is a reasonable principled stance to take. But there is a bit of self interest involved that everybody should be concerned about. The same techniques are going to be used by the other side as well. Gloria Alred is eager for a criminal prosecution through some sketchy antiquated law but I somehow think she'd be outraged if that same law was used to prosecute her.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

293 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:25:48am

re: #289 wrenchwench

It's not a 'freedom of speech' issue.

Since when is complaining about what's on the public airwaves not 'part of the system'?

The main reason being that he targeted a specific person, Sandra Fluke. Had he bloviated about women in general then it would be considered a freedom of speech issue. Of course that would also apply with specifically targeting Sarah Palin as well. Other considerations are if a person qualifies as a public figure. IMO Sandra Fluke having only been a congressional witness does not qualify as a public figure. Just some thoughts.

294 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:25:57am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Same techniques will be used no matter what, because they're legal. So your stance amounts to one side using this techniques, while another side should just stand and watch.

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:27:39am

OK, another stupid question. Is there an online service where I can upload an image file format of which I don't know to determine the format?

296 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:27:57am

re: #293 Gus

The main reason being that he targeted a specific person, Sandra Fluke. Had he bloviated about women in general then it would be considered a freedom of speech issue. Of course that would also apply with specifically targeting Sarah Palin as well. Other considerations are if a person qualifies as a public figure. IMO Sandra Fluke having only been a congressional witness does not qualify as a public figure. Just some thoughts.

I thought it was a freedom of speech issue only if the government is impinging on someone's speech.

297 zora  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:28:14am

bill maher is slightly less repulsive than rush, imo. his defense of rush is a defense of himself. pretty easy to see.

298 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:28:17am

So a comedian can go on stage and make jokes galore about the president. What he can't do is go on stage and make jokes and naming his next door neighbor.

299 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:28:37am

re: #296 wrenchwench

I thought it was a freedom of speech issue only if the government is impinging on someone's speech.

There's that too.

300 blueraven  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:28:50am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Maher calls efforts to pressure Rush Limbaugh’s sponsors ‘the system being manipulated’ (video)

That is ridiculous. There is no freedom of speech issue here. Rush can say anything he wants to, but there has never been an absolute guarantee that one can say anything they want without any consequences.

301 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:30:08am

re: #296 wrenchwench

I thought it was a freedom of speech issue only if the government is impinging on someone's speech.

And in this case "the government" is not impinging on Limbaugh's free speech. I see two parties expressing free speech here. For the time being Limbaugh is expressing his and the boycotters and critics are expressing theirs.

302 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:30:22am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

What decision was he talking about?

Gore v. Bush

Sorry, forgot the linky

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

303 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:31:15am

WRT to Bill Maher all I can add is, "thank you for your input Mr. Maher. We'll contact you as soon as we have an opinion. Next please."

304 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:31:53am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Sort of but not really. It is a reasonable principled stance to take. But there is a bit of self interest involved that everybody should be concerned about. The same techniques are going to be used by the other side as well. Gloria Alred is eager for a criminal prosecution through some sketchy antiquated law but I somehow think she'd be outraged if that same law was used to prosecute her.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Gloria is one of those fanatic advocates that takes a good case (or highly questionable ones) and turns it into a media scandal reality show. Could be a great candidate for a switch to decaf coffee.

305 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:32:02am

Bill Maher has spoken! We must listen to him for he is our dear leader!

//

306 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:32:15am

re: #289 wrenchwench

It's not a 'freedom of speech' issue.

Since when is complaining about what's on the public airwaves not 'part of the system'?

I know that's the common talking point defending the boycotts but here's why it's a faulty defense.
Nobody is claiming that harassing advertisers or trying to get a radio show cancelled isn't Constitutionally protected speech. Nobody is claiming you don't have the right to do that. What people are saying is that maybe you shouldn't do that.

Nobody is claiming that you shouldn't complain or speak out but going the extra step to financially hurt someone because they offended you probably isn't a good idea. Surely you are going to offend someone in the future and you wouldn't want them to do the same to you.
Free Speech is not only a Constitutional issue. It's also a cultural, social and economic issue. Not every time mention of free speech is in reference to the 1st Amendment.

307 blueraven  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:32:28am

re: #302 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Gore v. Bush v Gore

Sorry, forgot the linky

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Fixed. Bush brought the suit.

308 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:32:35am

re: #285 Creeping Diversity

Thanks. I also found ProcessMonitor, which may be exactly what I want.

It's actually a pretty nifty tool.

309 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:33:22am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Check out this page. Doonesbury going off:

Here’s what’s in the strips:

Monday: Young woman arrives for her pre-termination sonogram, is told to take a seat in the shaming room, a middle-aged male state legislator will be right with her.

Tuesday: He asks her if this is her first visit to the center, she replies no, that she’s been using the contraceptive services for some time. He says, “I see. Do your parents know you’re a slut?”

Wednesday: A different male is reading to her about the transvaginal exam process.

Thursday: In the stirrups, she is telling a nurse that she doesn’t want a transvaginal exam. Doctor says “Sorry miss, you’re first trimester. The male Republicans who run Texas require that all abortion seekers be examined with a 10″ shaming wand.” She asks “Will it hurt?” Nurse says, “Well, it’s not comfortable, honey. But Texas feels you should have thought of that.” Doctor says, “By the authority invested in me by the GOP base, I thee rape.”

Friday: Doctor is explaining that the Texas GOP requires her to have an intimate encounter with her fetus. He begins describing it to her. Last panel, he says, “Shall I describe it’s hopes and dreams?” She replies, “If it wants to be the next Rick Perry, I’ve made up my mind.”

Saturday: Back in the reception area, she asks where she goes now for the actual abortion. Receptionist tells her there’s a 24-hour waiting period: “The Republican Party is hoping you get caught in a shame spiral and change your mind.” Last panel: She says, “A final indignity.” Receptionist replies, “Not quite. Here’s your bill.”

310 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:35:03am

re: #294 Creeping Diversity

Same techniques will be used no matter what, because they're legal. So your stance amounts to one side using this techniques, while another side should just stand and watch.

Yes. The other side will continue to use the same techniques to silence dissent and opinions they disagree with. I say let them be the intolerant ones, I don;t think it's constructive to mimic their intolerance. However, I understand that this is just human nature. Everybody wants to silence their opponents and will do so if they can. I find it a bit sad.

311 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:35:21am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I know that's the common talking point defending the boycotts but here's why it's a faulty defense.
Nobody is claiming that harassing advertisers or trying to get a radio show cancelled isn't Constitutionally protected speech. Nobody is claiming you don't have the right to do that. What people are saying is that maybe you shouldn't do that.

If these people are saying that someone maybe shouldn't engage in free speech as delineated above, then why that someone cannot say the same about Rush Limbaugh? See, you're trying to limit free speech too.

312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:36:41am

re: #310 Killgore Trout

So you think Alan Dershowitz is wrong to campaign to get MJ Rosenberg fired?

313 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:37:45am

re: #311 Creeping Diversity

If these people are saying that someone maybe shouldn't engage in free speech as delineated above, then why that someone cannot say the same about Rush Limbaugh? See, you're trying to limit free speech too.

I'm not claiming that someone doesn't have the right and I'm not trying to financially pressure anyone into silence or agreement. I'm just saying it's an unwise tactic but I support your right to use it if you want.

314 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:37:59am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I know that's the common talking point defending the boycotts but here's why it's a faulty defense.
Nobody is claiming that harassing advertisers or trying to get a radio show cancelled isn't Constitutionally protected speech. Nobody is claiming you don't have the right to do that. What people are saying is that maybe you shouldn't do that.

Nobody is claiming that you shouldn't complain or speak out but going the extra step to financially hurt someone because they offended you probably isn't a good idea. Surely you are going to offend someone in the future and you wouldn't want them to do the same to you.
Free Speech is not only a Constitutional issue. It's also a cultural, social and economic issue. Not every time mention of free speech is in reference to the 1st Amendment.

OK, you're using a different definition then.

I totally disagree with this:

Nobody is claiming that you shouldn't complain or speak out but going the extra step to financially hurt someone because they offended you probably isn't a good idea. Surely you are going to offend someone in the future and you wouldn't want them to do the same to you.

If somebody is making oodles of money with their offensive speech, going after the money pile is the only thing that makes sense. As an individual, I am making exactly zero dollars by speaking out, and have no pile of cash to attack. When I coordinate with thousands of other people to attack someone else's pile, it's not a very risky thing for me to do. I'm not in favor of Rush being taken off the air, but I am in favor of making it less profitable for him to be such an offensive jerk. He makes living in the US as a woman a less pleasant reality.

315 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:40:09am

re: #312 Creeping Diversity

So you think Alan Dershowitz is wrong to campaign to get MJ Rosenberg fired?

What about silencing Wikileaks? BDS?

316 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:40:28am

re: #312 Creeping Diversity

So you think Alan Dershowitz is wrong to campaign to get MJ Rosenberg fired?

Yes. I find Rosenberg's Jewish conspiracy theories reprehensible but he certainly has the right to publish them. If Media Matters and Think Progress want to pay him and give him a platform they are more than welcome to do so. I'm glad they do it openly and honestly. It tells me about them and their agenda. I'm glad it's out in the open and I wouldn't want them to hide it.

317 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:41:53am

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Is this a global principle for you, or would want (not demand) Germany to allow neo-Nazi propaganda too? (I'm not talking about denial laws.)

318 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:42:07am

re: #315 Gus

What about silencing Wikileaks? BDS?

Wikileaks is breaking laws and stealing classified government documents. What they are doing is illegal.

319 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:43:04am

re: #318 Killgore Trout

Wikileaks is breaking laws and stealing classified government documents. What they are doing is illegal.

Technically no. Wikileaks acquired classified information. Wikileaks only publishes said information.

320 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:43:27am

re: #317 Creeping Diversity

Is this a global principle for you, or would want (not demand) Germany to allow neo-Nazi propaganda too? (I'm not talking about denial laws.)

I'm not going to tell the Germans what to do but would I support the same laws here in the US? Hell no.

321 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:44:05am

Then what about republishing the Heartland Institute emails and documents? Climategate?

322 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:44:41am

re: #289 wrenchwench

It's not a 'freedom of speech' issue.

Since when is complaining about what's on the public airwaves not 'part of the system'?

It is certainly not about the government restricting anything.

Sponsors and commercial broadcasters have the right to sponsor/present whomever they choose.

Free speech is not the same as paid/sponsored speech.

323 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:44:44am

re: #319 Gus

Technically no. Wikileaks acquired classified information. Wikileaks only publishes said information.

It depends how much help they gave to Manning and Anon. We'll have to wait for the trial.

324 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:45:21am

re: #320 Killgore Trout

I'm not going to tell the Germans what to do but would I support the same laws here in the US? Hell no.

You haven't answered the question: would you want (not demand) Germany to allow neo-Nazi propaganda too?

Your answer dodged the question, as the question implied neither you telling the Germans what to do, nor supporting the same laws in the US.

325 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:46:52am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I know that's the common talking point defending the boycotts but here's why it's a faulty defense.
Nobody is claiming that harassing advertisers or trying to get a radio show cancelled isn't Constitutionally protected speech. Nobody is claiming you don't have the right to do that. What people are saying is that maybe you shouldn't do that.

Nobody is claiming that you shouldn't complain or speak out but going the extra step to financially hurt someone because they offended you probably isn't a good idea. Surely you are going to offend someone in the future and you wouldn't want them to do the same to you.
Free Speech is not only a Constitutional issue. It's also a cultural, social and economic issue. Not every time mention of free speech is in reference to the 1st Amendment.

You don't want free speech, you want speech that's free from consequences. You want certain people, little people, to suppress their own reactions when they're offended by larger societal players.

On top of the inherent elitism it contains I wish you could see how stunningly inarticulate you're argument is. You aren't saying why it "probably isn't a good idea," you're just throwing the unsupported assertion out there and hoping it finds purchase. I understand that you feel the way you do, but you clearly haven't even thought the position though enough to tell us where exactly the harm lies. In comparison you offer a vision of a society of repressed people who preferentially refuse to speak their minds and take action when pushed over the line.

326 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:47:25am

re: #324 Creeping Diversity

You haven't answered the question: would you want (not demand) Germany to allow neo-Nazi propaganda too?

Your answer dodged the question, as the question implied neither you telling the Germans what to do, nor supporting the same laws in the US.

I probably wouldn't support banning neo-nazi propaganda in Germany so I'll guess "no". Although I really don't have strong feelings about the German concept of free speech.

327 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:50:00am

re: #325 goddamnedfrank

I understand that you feel the way you do, but you clearly haven't even thought the position though enough to tell us where exactly the harm lies

I have stated countless times that it's a bad idea because when both sides start using this technique to silence each other it damages our culture of tolerance for other people's opinions.

328 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:52:41am

We are all familiar with what Germany restricts. But a look at what is protected as free is worth understanding for perspective.

[Link: www.germanlawjournal.org...]

329 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:52:44am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

I have stated countless times that it's a bad idea because when both sides start using this technique to silence each other it damages our culture of tolerance for other people's opinions.

....

330 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:52:55am

re: #326 Killgore Trout

OK, I think this approach is misguided because it ignores lessons of history and the effect of propaganda on the masses.

Obviously, this doesn't mean that the same laws are necessary in the US, as society and history is very different, but the fact of pernicious influence of individual "pundits" on millions does ethically permit very wide legal measures, incl. boycotts and influencing sponsors.

331 jaunte  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:55:45am

re: #314 wrenchwench

I'm not in favor of Rush being taken off the air, but I am in favor of making it less profitable for him to be such an offensive jerk. He makes living in the US as a woman a less pleasant reality.

Limbaugh has become a billionaire (or very close to one) doing this, without regard for the people he affects. He's enjoyed more freedom of speech than most.

332 blueraven  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:56:54am

The thing is we allow hate speech in this country as a matter of first amendment rights. I think what Rush does, borders on hate speech

“Hate Speech on Commercial Radio” categorized hate speech in four different areas.

* False facts
* Flawed argumentation
* Divisive language
* Dehumanizing metaphors

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

All of these things were true specifically in the case of Sandra Fluke and in general with respect to women.
So while his speech is protected, we have redress in the form of public pressure to stop this hateful speech that Rush has been getting away with for years.
Not an isolated joke but a steadily increasing amount of hate directed at women. The Sandra Fluck case was the final straw.

333 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:57:15am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

I have stated countless times that it's a bad idea because when both sides start using this technique to silence each other it damages our culture of tolerance for other people's opinions.

Again, you're confusing government action with private action. The whole "I hate what you say but support your right to say it," concept relates to official censorship by the State only. There never was an ideal that one needs to sit on their butt silently and refuse to express their own voice to combat offensive ideas, to make real world private consequences. Everyone shapes society through their choices, a boycott is simply another kind of protected speech, telling the advertisers that their product's associations will affect your buying habits.

334 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:57:51am

So from now on any woman witness similar to Sandra Fluke would have to look forward to be slandered, libeled and intimidated by Rush Limbaugh and his gang of thugs for having spoken in front of congress. The end result is way may very well silence less strong witnesses from speaking up due to fear of reprisals. Rush Limbaugh continues to be able to practice his freedom of speech while all witness for Democrats have to go up to the Hill and fear a similar response from Limbaugh.

Thoughts?

335 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:57:55am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I know that's the common talking point defending the boycotts but here's why it's a faulty defense.
Nobody is claiming that harassing advertisers or trying to get a radio show cancelled isn't Constitutionally protected speech. Nobody is claiming you don't have the right to do that. What people are saying is that maybe you shouldn't do that.

Nobody is claiming that you shouldn't complain or speak out but going the extra step to financially hurt someone because they offended you probably isn't a good idea. Surely you are going to offend someone in the future and you wouldn't want them to do the same to you.
Free Speech is not only a Constitutional issue. It's also a cultural, social and economic issue. Not every time mention of free speech is in reference to the 1st Amendment.

It's not a 'talking point' - it's the facts of the case. It's not a freedom of speech issue. It's not a freedom of speech issue even if you want to expand the definition of freedom of speech beyond the Constitution.

Freedom of speech guarantees the freedom of expression of ideas. It does not guarantee a platform of any particular size to express them, nor does it protect you from social, economic and cultural repercussions of that speech.

You can cite Bill Maher all you like, but even what he's saying has no bearing on your argument. Every link you've dredged up to 'support' your position has made the same fallacious argument - that it's a 'freedom of speech' issue. Nobody is infringing on anyone's right to speak, or to say anything they want. People are simply responding to that speech with their own speech and actions, some of which are economic in nature.

Your position as of today is that you're only opposed to the economic part of that. (This, naturally, has changed a few times over the course of all of this as your various objections have been engaged, but that's neither here nor there, since we're all aware that it's not your real reason for objecting anyway.) Now you're simply saying that perhaps we shouldn't object to hateful speech in an economic manner. Or maybe we should, but we shouldn't encourage others to do it too. I forget. Why we shouldn't do this is not exactly clear, but it seems to be because if we do, then the 'other side' will do it too, and in the end, 'both sides will be fighting'.

This isn't about free speech. It's not about sides. It's not about wringing our hands about 'both sides fighting'. It's about right and wrong. It's about the fact that despite the elegant simplicity of extreme isolationist libertarianism, where we all live in perfect magic bubbles and decide exactly for ourselves what enters our bubbles and where we should only take actions that effect the world inside our magic bubble, we actually live in a society where communication affects the fabric of that society and thus the commons. And if we as a group find a particular form of communication to be harmful and/or inappropriate, it is for the good of ourselves and our neighbours to do what we can to change it. There is a legitimate argument to be had about balancing the rights of the individual versus the rights/benefits of a society. But to suggest that harmful speech or actions should have no consequences out of a fear that 'both sides' might fight is not only folly, but also highly ethically suspect.

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:58:16am

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

I don't think he is confusing it (not any longer, in any case).

337 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:58:28am

Would you want to be a witness for Nancy Pelosi after this?

338 zora  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:59:30am

Advertisers Flee Right Wing Radio

Premiere Networks is circulating a list of 98 radio advertisers who want to avoid "environments likely to stir negative sentiments... They've specifically asked that you schedule their commercials in dayparts or programs free of content that you know are deemed to be offensive or controversial (for example, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Leykis, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity)."

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

yay,yay, a million times yay.

339 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:01:12am

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Again, you're confusing government action with private action.

No I'm not. I understand the difference between Constitutional free speech protections and the cultural and economic culture of free speech.

340 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:01:27am

You'll not only be called a slut, whore and a prostitute for a week or more but have your personal contact information spread all over the internet. From that day forward everytime you search your own name on the web you'll see the words slut, whore and prostitute associated with your name. All due to the campaign of intimidation lead by Rush Limbaugh.

That's freedom of speech? Since when?

341 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:02:03am

re: #334 Gus

That has been a real risk for a long time. Not just women. But ever since maybe the Howard Hughes hearings fiasco after WW2 people have had excellent reason to fear an appearance, a fear unrelated to their innocence or guilt of whatever real or perceived misdeed.

342 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:03:01am

I don't buy KT's "both sides" blather for one simple reason: like the whole "arc of the universe" thing, the long-term success of a boycott tends to show whether its cause is just:

- the "one million moms" boycott against JC Penney for having Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson failed miserably

- the boycott of Limbaugh, in contrast, is going quite well so far

Also consider the motivation behind the boycotts - rightwingers threaten people who show tolerance, while liberals/progressives/sane people threaten those who show intolerance.

One of these things is not like the other.

343 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:03:04am

re: #340 Gus

You'll not only be called a slut, whore and a prostitute for a week or more but have your personal contact information spread all over the internet. From that day forward everytime you search your own name on the web you'll see the words slut, whore and prostitute associated with your name. All due to the campaign of intimidation lead by Rush Limbaugh.

That's freedom of speech? Since when?

Like Santorum. Er wait a minute... everyone likes that one right?
Until some Santorum other than Rick Googles the name...
Sorry, I suppose that looks like magic balance. But I happen to be repelled by that Google bomb.

344 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:03:32am

re: #321 Gus

Then what about republishing the Heartland Institute emails and documents? Climategate?

Some of the Heartland stuff was forged, is what I read in National Review, and we know the "Climategate" stuff was presented in a very dishonest fashion, so both actions were quite wrong seen as a whole. And I'd argue both were entirely wrong, since I believe it wrong to act under false pretenses like that.

345 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:04:35am

re: #342 Interesting Times

It's like saying, well, the racists could have used non-violent protest tactics too. Yeah, whatever. Let them. And let's see who wins.

346 zora  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:04:40am

re: #343 Daniel Ballard

Like Santorum. Er wait a minute... everyone likes that one right?

in santorum's case, i feel bad for everyone named santorum except rick santorum.

347 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:04:48am

re: #343 Daniel Ballard

Like Santorum. Er wait a minute... everyone likes that one right?

But I brought up public figures earlier. No one is trying to stop Santorum from running or speaking up. In fact the opposite is true. The crazier he gets the better it is for Obama.

348 blueraven  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:04:56am

re: #343 Daniel Ballard

Like Santorum. Er wait a minute... everyone likes that one right?

??

349 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:05:38am

re: #346 zora

in santorum's case, i feel bad for everyone named santorum except rick santorum.

99.99% of all Santorums are not Rick.

350 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:05:51am

You want an example of a real 1st Amendment issue, look at how Father Coughlin was taken off the air. Funny how nobody argues that our society and culture became poorer without his shitty little voice in it.

351 zora  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:06:07am

re: #349 Daniel Ballard

99.99% of all Santorums are not Rick.

that's my point.

352 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:06:15am

This wasn't freedom of speech. This was Rush Limbaugh carrying on a hate campaign for close to a week against one ordinary citizen.

353 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:06:31am

I'm also quite confident that most sponsors are smart enough to distinguish between a legitimate protest over a legitimate issue and a frivolous attempt of show of force.

354 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:06:48am

re: #343 Daniel Ballard

Like Santorum. Er wait a minute... everyone likes that one right?

- Santorum is a public figure, not a private citizen

- again, as I said in my #342, he was targeted for intolerance.

355 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:07:40am

re: #348 blueraven

One can easily argue the hits on Rick Santorum are justified. But the effect of that tactic went way beyond Rick. It also validated the Google bomb as a propaganda weapon.

356 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:07:58am

re: #352 Gus

This wasn't freedom of speech. This was Rush Limbaugh carrying on a hate campaign for close to a week couple of decades against one ordinary citizen women and liberals.

Elaborated on that for you.

357 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:08:16am

re: #351 zora

that's my point.

And I thank you for making it. Sorry if that was not clear.

358 Gus  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:08:41am
359 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:08:58am

re: #353 Creeping Diversity

I'm also quite confident that most sponsors are smart enough to distinguish between a legitimate protest over a legitimate issue and a frivolous attempt of show of force.

Yes, I think they do. These companies are financially motivated. They'll react to the publicity and angry phone calls to protect themselves from financial repercussions. Once the outrageous outrage subsides they'll go back to advertising if they think it's in their finical interest to do so.

360 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:09:05am

The road uphill beckons. Have a fine day all!

361 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:09:48am

re: #350 goddamnedfrank

You want an example of a real 1st Amendment issue, look at how Father Coughlin was taken off the air. Funny how nobody argues that our society and culture became poorer without his shitty little voice in it.

Wasn't he barred from the airwaves by his religious superiors? I may remember wrong.

362 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:10:16am
363 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:11:07am

It's 45 degrees outside and rainy but the greenhouse is 70 degrees. I gotta finish laying the brick floor.

364 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:11:41am

re: #352 Gus

This wasn't freedom of speech. This was Rush Limbaugh carrying on a hate campaign for close to a week against one ordinary citizen.

And he was not breaking the law in doing so. But people have the right to tell companies that they will not do business with those who sponsor such filth, and said companies have the right to withdraw their sponsorship.

365 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:12:38am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

It's 45 degrees outside and rainy but the greenhouse is 70 degrees. I gotta finish laying the brick floor.

How do your cats like the greenhouse?

366 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:13:52am

re: #355 Daniel Ballard

One can easily argue the hits on Rick Santorum are justified. But the effect of that tactic went way beyond Rick. It also validated the Google bomb as a propaganda weapon.

Frankly, I've always considered it to be exceptionally juvenile and not funny in the least, not even when talking specifically about Rick Santorum. And I rarely think juvenile rubbish is justified in the public sphere, even for someone as backwards as Santorum.

367 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:15:00am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

And he was not breaking the law in doing so. But people have the right to tell companies that they will not do business with those who sponsor such filth, and said companies have the right to withdraw their sponsorship.

And, most importantly, they should do so, if for no other reason than it is ethically and morally appropriate.

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:16:38am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

Yes, I think they do. These companies are financially motivated. They'll react to the publicity and angry phone calls to protect themselves from financial repercussions. Once the outrageous outrage subsides they'll go back to advertising if they think it's in their finical interest to do so.

Influence of publicity is determined by societal mores. I don't think if a thousand racists call and complain about a black host's race, that will matter to the sponsors.

369 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:17:37am

re: #367 Renaissance_Man

And, most importantly, they should do so, if for no other reason than it is ethically and morally appropriate.

Quite Concur.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:19:52am

re: #368 Creeping Diversity

Influence of publicity is determined by societal mores. I don't think if a thousand racists call and complain about a black host's race, that will matter to the sponsors.

Maybe not, but if 10,000 were to complain and then ratings on other shows started to fall, the black host would be out on his backside. Rules of the game.

371 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:22:14am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Maybe not, but if 10,000 were to complain and then ratings on other shows started to fall, the black host would be out on his backside. Rules of the game.

That would only mean that the society is racist.

372 blueraven  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:24:05am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

Yes, I think they do. These companies are financially motivated. They'll react to the publicity and angry phone calls to protect themselves from financial repercussions. Once the outrageous outrage subsides they'll go back to advertising if they think it's in their finical interest to do so.

So then, what's the problem?

373 allegro  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:26:44am

re: #372 blueraven

So then, what's the problem?

sluts. we're everywhere.

374 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:27:58am

re: #373 allegro

sluts. we're everywhere.

If they were everywhere... Nah, I'm not gonna say it, it's too easy!

375 A Mom Anon  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:29:57am

re: #300 blueraven

Rush is allowed to say what he wants. What's not guaranteed is making millions of dollars for doing so. Even if he was fired today and penniless tomorrow,his right to free speech doesn't change. The number of people hearing it would,but he could still say the same crap without that microphone and 600 assorted radio stations. With rights and freedoms come responsibilities and consequences. The reason he's got away with this stuff for so long is that there have been no consequences. He's been insulated from that for the most part. I know for sure if I was a hateful jackass to those around me I would not be so insulated or immune from consequence.

376 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:18:17pm

The biggest fun here is not the damage done to Rush's EIB Network brand, but rather to the other brand he is associated with as its unofficial spokesperson: the GOP.

The damage he is done there will remain immesurable until November...

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 1:59:18pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Anonymous hacker planned to publish details of women who had abortions

Brilliant. A guy with a computer sets himself up as judge and jury.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:00:42pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Maher calls efforts to pressure Rush Limbaugh’s sponsors ‘the system being manipulated’ (video)

Maher is sort of full of shit on this one.

The system does not grant everyone a radio show. It grants solely the very profitable a radio show.

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:12:26pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Yes. The other side will continue to use the same techniques to silence dissent and opinions they disagree with. I say let them be the intolerant ones, I don;t think it's constructive to mimic their intolerance. However, I understand that this is just human nature. Everybody wants to silence their opponents and will do so if they can. I find it a bit sad.

The 'other side' let Rush have his airwaves all the years that he was trashing every Democrat alive, lying about them, and bellowing about dumbass liberals.

They responded when he decided that a law student defying his political pets deserved to be slandered for days on end as a whore.

If you find this sad, that's interesting. But I see this as a not irrational response to a rich and powerful man deciding that he can talk about a young woman's lady parts after she had the unmitigated gall to do something he didn't like. Americans don't like seeing people beat up on. Except, of course, for the morons who are now taking their right to talk shit about Sandra Fluke as some sort of vindication of Sarah Palin.

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:15:57pm

re: #352 Gus

This wasn't freedom of speech. This was Rush Limbaugh carrying on a hate campaign for close to a week against one ordinary citizen.

One wonders...if Rush had decided to trash one of his ex-wives like that, would it be argued that we should put up with it?

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:17:14pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

And he was not breaking the law in doing so.

Actually, he may have been. I think there are, in fact, laws to prevent you from getting on the mic and naming names as you declare that someone is having sex dozens of times and day and asking for public funds to play the whore.


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