Kansas Community Center Killer Frazier Glenn Miller Is a Longtime Neo-Nazi

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The SPLC’s HateWatch blog connects the dots: Frazier Glenn Miller, Longtime Anti-Semite, Arrested in Kansas Jewish Community Center Murders.

Frazier Glenn Miller, 73, of Aurora, Mo., was arrested today for the murder of three people at two separate Jewish Community Centers in Overland Park, Kan. Miller, who was arrested using the alias Frazier Glenn Cross, has been in the movement nearly his entire life. Miller is the former “grand dragon” of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which he founded and ran in the 1980s before being sued by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) for operating an illegal paramilitary organization and using intimidation tactics against African Americans.

After subsequently forming another Klan group, the White Patriot Party, he was found in criminal contempt and sentenced to six months in prison for violating the court settlement. He went underground while his conviction was under appeal but was caught by the FBI with a weapons cache in Missouri. He served three years in federal prison after being indicted on weapons charges and for plotting robberies and the assassination of SPLC founder Morris Dees. As part of a plea bargain, Miller testified against other Klan leaders in a 1988 sedition trial.

Miller is a raging anti-Semite who has posted more than 12,000 times on Vanguard News Network (VNN), whose slogan is “No Jews, Just Right.” VNN founder Alex Linder has openly advocated “exterminating” Jews since December 2009. Miller, a close partner to Linder, has called Jews “swarthy, hairy, bow-legged, beady-eyed, parasitic midgets.” Miller is also one of VNN’s largest donors and he printed and distributed thousands of copies of VNN’s newsletter, The Aryan Alternative.

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1 The Awkward Guy  Apr 13, 2014 7:19:05pm

When a guy shouts “Heil Hitler!”, there are only so many conclusions one can make.

2 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 7:19:10pm

Charles Johnson,

Why am I not surprised that he was a Nazi?

3 Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2014 7:20:53pm

Now how can that be, when we’ve been assured that the only terrorists we have to worry about are left-wing ones?

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4 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2014 7:23:10pm

And in just a few seconds we’ll hear how the Nazi’s are actually liberals, since they have “socialist” in their name. //wishing I was making that up.

RBS

5 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 7:23:24pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Now how can that be, when we’ve been assured that the only terrorists we have to worry about are left-wing ones?

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Perfectly consistent. Everyone knows Nazis were liberals.
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6 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 7:24:01pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Also Muslims if you listen to wingnuts.

7 jaunte  Apr 13, 2014 7:33:24pm
8 abolitionist  Apr 13, 2014 7:40:15pm

Right up until he opened fire, he was a law-abiding gun owner.

Ok, now I’m leaning toward sarcasm.

9 Stanley Sea  Apr 13, 2014 7:45:22pm

Ya know….his peeps. His family, friends, etc. tolerated his raging antisemitism. For years.

This is half the problem. Rightly he should have been a complete loner. Maybe he was.

Only we, the people around haters, can stop them.

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 13, 2014 7:51:01pm

Wingnuts on #tcot are strangely silent about this. They haven’t found a meme yet.

11 The Awkward Guy  Apr 13, 2014 7:54:00pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts on #tcot are strangely silent about this. They haven’t found a meme yet.

You’d think they’d instantly latch onto him being a librul.

12 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 7:56:40pm

re: #11 The Awkward Guy

You’d think they’d instantly latch onto him being a librul.

I’m betting they’ll settle on “mentally ill” and down the memory hole it will go.
Of course, librul and mentally ill is redundant in their world.

13 klys  Apr 13, 2014 7:57:32pm

re: #12 calochortus

I’m betting they’ll settle on “mentally ill” and down the memory hole it will go.
Of course, librul and mentally ill is redundant in their world.

Whatever it is, it won’t be terrorism because he’s not brown.

14 kirkspencer  Apr 13, 2014 7:58:00pm

re: #12 calochortus

I’m betting they’ll settle on “mentally ill” and down the memory hole it will go.
Of course, librul and mentally ill is redundant in their world.

In (unwilling) fairness, many liberals think the same of teaparty types.

15 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 8:00:06pm

re: #14 kirkspencer

In (unwilling) fairness, many liberals think the same of teaparty types.

True, but I think the majority think they are deluded, as opposed to literally mentally ill.

16 Randall Gross  Apr 13, 2014 8:00:08pm

At the JCC, it was a 14 yr old eagle scout & his grandfather who were killed abcnews.go.com

17 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 8:00:54pm

re: #13 klys

Whatever it is, it won’t be terrorism because he’s not brown.

There was some speculation early on that he looked suspiciously ‘swarthy’…

18 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 13, 2014 8:01:14pm

re: #11 The Awkward Guy

You’d think they’d instantly latch onto him being a librul.

HURR HURR IT WAS A GUN FREE ZONE!!!!!!

HURR HURR MOSSAD FALSE FLAG, TEH GOYIMS WAS KILLED!!!!!!1

HURR HURR HE WAS A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT!!!!!!

Dim Jim feverishly searching voter registration rolls for meme #3.

19 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 8:05:44pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts on #tcot are strangely silent about this. They haven’t found a meme yet.

I have a bad feeling that they will through, unfortunately, and it will be really stupid.

20 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 8:05:59pm

Some Freepers have this all figured out:

So far, all indications are that the shooter was a Klansman, thus an obama-supporting DemonRAT. In contrast, the TEA Party and Conservatives stand for God, life and liberty.

As I wrote elsewhere, after considerable thought, I simply can’t think of a single episode of a mass murder or a political assassination carried out by anyone other than a liberal. And this incident in Kansas gets added to the long list of leftist murders.
312 posted on Sun Apr 13 19:39:50 2014 by re_nortex (DP - that’s what I like about Texas)

Of course, his memory doesn’t seem to be very good.

21 Skip Intro  Apr 13, 2014 8:07:34pm

He’s all theirs.

When discussing the Tea Party, Miller state that he suspects the Tea Party will be “infiltrated by the Jews and therefore led to defeat.”

davidpakman.com

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 13, 2014 8:07:47pm

re: #19 CriticalDragon1177

I have a bad feeling that they will through, unfortunately, and it will be really stupid.

HURR HURR!!!! KKK IS ALL TEH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!

23 Randall Gross  Apr 13, 2014 8:08:23pm

re: #18 Pie-onist Overlord

“Viking America” is over in comments at SPLC cheering the guy, and he’s also a Bundy fan.

Laura Rozen is looking into allegations that the evil bigot was invited to guest lecture at some courses in Missouri. It will be interesting to see how that turns out:

24 Skip Intro  Apr 13, 2014 8:08:40pm

re: #20 calochortus

Freepers are, by and large, morons.

25 jaunte  Apr 13, 2014 8:09:11pm

re: #21 Skip Intro

Nathan Bedford Forrest, first Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, in the background.

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 13, 2014 8:10:08pm

re: #25 jaunte

Nathan Bedford Forrest, first Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, in the background.

HURR HURR DEMOCRAT!!!!!!

27 jaunte  Apr 13, 2014 8:10:23pm

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 13, 2014 8:10:46pm
29 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 8:12:30pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

Freepers are, by and large, morons.

That poster did get some pushback from another Freeper, so they aren’t all totally out of touch with reality.

30 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 13, 2014 8:14:36pm

re: #28 Pie-onist Overlord

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Oh Mr. Henry. Not a word of the 4 killed and 34 shot in Chicago over the weekend? Illinois is now a Concealed Carry state.

31 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 8:16:46pm

re: #28 Pie-onist Overlord

It looks like they have chosen their meme. Now it begins.

32 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 8:20:10pm

Evening lizards!

Last night and all day today my daughter and I got a hold of my tools and cedar boards and built her a rabbit hutch for her new pet bunny. I don’t think she had this much fun in a very long time. Here is her and her sister standing next to the final product:

Oreo’s new home

33 calochortus  Apr 13, 2014 8:20:58pm

I’ll say good night, all. Hasta mañana.

34 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 8:21:51pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Ah, the good old days

35 jaunte  Apr 13, 2014 8:22:29pm

re: #34 CriticalDragon1177

No question, that’s what these guys aspire to.

36 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 8:25:28pm

re: #35 jaunte

Either that or genocide. I don’t think they would even settle for bringing back segregation.

37 jaunte  Apr 13, 2014 8:26:00pm

F. Glenn Miller was inspired (in part) by David Duke.

38 jaunte  Apr 13, 2014 8:26:41pm

Claims he became “Jew-wise” back in 1974.

39 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 13, 2014 8:27:28pm

re: #37 jaunte

No surprise. Right now it looks like the both exact hate the same people, for pretty much the exact same reasons.

40 abolitionist  Apr 13, 2014 8:28:47pm

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

You’ve heard of Fibonacci, right?

Seriously, lovely pic.

41 Lancelot Link  Apr 13, 2014 8:40:07pm

Unsurprisingly, he’s yet another enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter.

42 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2014 8:45:22pm
43 klys  Apr 13, 2014 8:45:57pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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Unpossible!

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44 Death Panel Truck  Apr 13, 2014 8:46:39pm

Clearly a false flag op. A God-fearin’, freedumb lovin’ true ‘Murican patriot couldn’t possibly be behind this.

45 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 13, 2014 8:53:19pm

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Which one claims ownership of the bunny?

46 theheat  Apr 13, 2014 9:03:43pm

re: #27 jaunte

Now you know why they’re so fond of Random Caps. There’s a history. //

47 Kragar  Apr 13, 2014 9:04:36pm

So I guess tomorrow, we’ll be hearing all about how the guy must have been a liberal democrat for years.

48 theheat  Apr 13, 2014 9:06:10pm
He served three years in federal prison after being indicted on weapons charges and for plotting robberies and the assassination of SPLC founder Morris Dees.

Concerned with his safety and 2nd Amendment rights, he promptly re-armed himself. //

What a POS with a history of being a POS.

49 klys  Apr 13, 2014 9:09:42pm

re: #48 theheat

Concerned with his safety and 2nd Amendment rights, he promptly re-armed himself. //

What a POS with a history of being a POS.

Great, brace yourself for another round of whining about how our current gun laws aren’t working so we obviously should roll them back and absolutely shouldn’t consider making any changes that could possibly make anything more restrictive because FREEDOM.

50 theheat  Apr 13, 2014 9:12:59pm

re: #49 klys

The guy was a convicted felon, so which law-abiding responsible sympathizer sold him his guns? Maybe they’re free like decoder rings when you graduate from babyklukker to full blown klukker.

Legally, the guy could only own a butter knife, so somebody has some explaining to do.

51 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 9:14:25pm

re: #40 abolitionist

You’ve heard of Fibonacci, right?

Seriously, lovely pic.

Thanks. The hutch was placed in the backyard under my daughters bedroom window so she could peek out at Oreo whenever she wants. However we almost had a major disaster. My dog was going crazy when he noticed the rabbit behind the fencing. After calming him down the landlord stopped by and his dog followed him over. Now I have 2 dogs all excited over the rabbit. As I am helping the landlord put some stuff in the storage building my daughter catches his dog trying to chew a hole in the fencing. If she didn’t see that the dogs would have shared a rabbit dinner within 5 minutes. Oreo is now living in her new hutch in the garage.

52 Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2014 9:14:54pm

re: #50 theheat

The guy was a convicted felon, so which law-abiding responsible sympathizer sold him his guns? Maybe they’re free like decoder rings when you graduate from babyklukker to full blown klukker.

Legally, the guy could only own a butter knife, so somebody has some explaining to do.

Best guess? He bought the gun from a private seller who, when asked, will suddenly develop amnesia and be totally unable to recall the sale.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 9:14:57pm

re: #45 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Which one claims ownership of the bunny?

The one on the right. The one on the left has a cat.

54 The Awkward Guy  Apr 13, 2014 9:20:06pm

re: #20 calochortus

“Demonrats”.

Subtle.

55 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 13, 2014 9:20:13pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

The one on the right. The one on the left has a cat.

That was my guess. She has the look of a proud bunny hutch builder/contractor. I’m assuming you were the subcontractor. ;-)

56 theheat  Apr 13, 2014 9:24:56pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

I hope they’re named as an accessory to multiple murders, then.

57 klys  Apr 13, 2014 9:27:15pm

From the SPLC blog entry on Glenn Miller:

A forthcoming two-year study by the SPLC will show that nearly 100 people in the last five years have been murdered by active users on another prominent racist website, stormfront.org.

58 Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2014 9:29:18pm

re: #56 theheat

I hope they’re named as an accessory to multiple murders, then.

I’m not clear on Kansas law, but my guess is that if he says he can’t remember the sale or he doesn’t remember anything about the guy he was selling the gun to that made him suspect that it was for the purpose of committing a crime, then there’s nothing to base an accessory charge on.

59 Kragar  Apr 13, 2014 9:34:56pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I’m not clear on Kansas law, but my guess is that if he says he can’t remember the sale or he doesn’t remember anything about the guy he was selling the gun to that made him suspect that it was for the purpose of committing a crime, then there’s nothing to base an accessory charge on.

Once again, that well regulated militia thing in action

60 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 9:35:11pm

re: #55 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

That was my guess. She has the look of a proud bunny hutch builder/contractor. I’m assuming you were the subcontractor. ;-)

She had a lot of fun. She got to to help me with the table saw and got to use the air brad nailer, cut the fencing, and did a bunch of the math figuring out the right sizes to cut the wood. Awesome Sunday for both of us :)

61 kirkspencer  Apr 13, 2014 9:36:03pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I’m not clear on Kansas law, but my guess is that if he says he can’t remember the sale or he doesn’t remember anything about the guy he was selling the gun to that made him suspect that it was for the purpose of committing a crime, then there’s nothing to base an accessory charge on.

Probably true for Missouri, too.

Yes, Overland Park is Kansas, but KC is two cities in two states and this person’s home is in Missouri.

62 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 13, 2014 9:36:43pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

She had a lot of fun. She got to to help me with the table saw and got to use the air brad nailer, cut the fencing, and did a bunch of the math figuring out the right sizes to cut the wood. Awesome Sunday for both of us :)

Good deal!

63 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 9:41:25pm

re: #62 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Good deal!

Not bad for an 11 year old girl ;) She wants to be an engineer when she grows up and tonight she asked me if there were wood engineers. Heh

64 Skip Intro  Apr 13, 2014 9:47:35pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

Not bad for an 11 year old girl ;) She wants to be an engineer when she grows up and tonight she asked me if there were wood engineers. Heh

Timber frame homes. Go for it.

65 freetoken  Apr 13, 2014 9:54:36pm

Last night I mentioned Derbyshire’s latest screed, which was going on about how eugenics isn’t so bad, the hypocrisy of Jews, yada yada.

The hate-right is fixated on Jews because the hate-right is the continuing school of ugly that has long dwelt in Europe. The roots of Stormfront go deep into centuries of European bigotry.

66 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 13, 2014 9:57:10pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

Not bad for an 11 year old girl ;) She wants to be an engineer when she grows up and tonight she asked me if there were wood engineers. Heh

I hope she sticks to that plan, wood or not. I’ve seen several would-be female engineers her age give up their dreams once middle school social pressures hit. One of my sophomore girls many years ago abandoned her idea to enter the annual bridge building contest at the Speed School of Engineering (Louisville) when her BF told her “it would be too hard.”

Times have changed since the 1980s, though — I hope.

67 darthstar  Apr 13, 2014 9:59:11pm

Lemme guess…this guy’s been an asshole all his life and decides now, when he’s 70, that this will be an easy way to get three meals a day and free medical care until he dies.

They should put him in county jail for a few years so he doesn’t get to experience the more settled life of a state prison.

68 kirkspencer  Apr 13, 2014 10:00:30pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

Not bad for an 11 year old girl ;) She wants to be an engineer when she grows up and tonight she asked me if there were wood engineers. Heh

As you know, yes and no. It was a mechanical engineer that designed this, and a MechEng student (my daughter) that built this particular copy.
Almost all wood, except the electromagnet pundulum

69 Dark_Falcon  Apr 13, 2014 10:02:19pm

re: #30 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh Mr. Henry. Not a word of the 4 killed and 34 shot in Chicago over the weekend? Illinois is now a Concealed Carry state.

And not one of those people in Chicago held a CCW permit or was shot by someone who did. So far, in over three months Illinois has only seen one CCW permit holder have to fire his weapon, and that man didn’t hit the thugs he fired upon (it was ruled clearcut self-defense by the Cook county State’s Attorney’s office).

Don’t blame CCW for people who who are killed by gang violence.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 10:04:13pm

re: #64 Skip Intro

Timber frame homes. Go for it.

I was hoping for rocket engineer. She’s a big Homer Hickam fan.

71 kirkspencer  Apr 13, 2014 10:04:50pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

And not one of those people in Chicago held a CCW permit or was shot by someone who did. So far, in over three months Illinois has only seen one CCW permit holder have to fire his weapon, and that man didn’t hit the thugs he fired upon (it was ruled clearcut self-defense by the Cook county State’s Attorney’s office).

Don’t blame CCW for people who who are killed by gang violence.

Wait, he didn’t say anything about CCW. Gun control is not CCW.

Frankly I’d be delighted if the only way you could get a pistol was to get a CCW license. As it is, however, nobody needs a CCW to get firearms.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 13, 2014 10:09:14pm

re: #66 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I hope she sticks to that plan, wood or not. I’ve seen several would-be female engineers her age give up their dreams once middle school social pressures hit. One of my sophomore girls many years ago abandoned her idea to enter the annual bridge building contest at the Speed School of Engineering (Louisville) when her BF told her “it would be too hard.”

Times have changed since the 1980s, though — I hope.

Her dream was being a teacher until a few months ago when she got a special invite to a science program at Tennessee Tech aimed at female students. She loved it and has been hooked ever since.

73 Kragar  Apr 13, 2014 11:04:44pm
74 Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2014 11:25:06pm

re: #73 Kragar

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Put it in a way that wingnuts understand: His property was on my land.

75 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 13, 2014 11:54:43pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Her dream was being a teacher until a few months ago when she got a special invite to a science program at Tennessee Tech aimed at female students. She loved it and has been hooked ever since.

That’s all it takes sometimes. Give the kids an experience of what science and engineering is all about. You get to think and do stuff with your hands at the same time.

76 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 12:09:04am

Wingnuts don’t seem to understand that if your property is on my land and something happens to it, I’m not the one at fault. Especially if I’ve warned you repeatedly that if you don’t get it off my land, then I’m gonna move it myself. And I sure as fuck would not wait years for your compliance before I turned your cows into hamburger.

77 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 12:47:09am

MP3 Audio

78 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 12:58:16am

He has a website…

Look at his Wiki page and the link is at the bottom. Pretty vile shit.

On his political life:

en.metapedia.org

“He joined the military in 1959, serving 20 years with two combat tours in the Vietnam War. He is married with five children.

“By the later years of his military career, he was denied promotion because of involvement in racialist politics. He was present as part of the Klan delegation at the Greensboro incident in November 1979 in Greensboro, North Carolina where four members of the Communist Workers’ Party were killed in a shoot-out with Klansmen and American National Socialists. “

Note the timing of the Greensboro incident—the same year he would have been “retired” from the military with his 20 yrs in. I’m wondering, also, if he was receiving a VA disability payment? With 5 kids to support over the years, he had to have a steady income of some sort and other than the mention of his driving a truck, I don’t see a pattern of regular employment.

I see a defense in the making.

79 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 1:29:05am
80 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 1:29:40am

Frazier Glenn Miller is not some lone nut who popped up out of a godforsaken rural junkyard somewhere. He is a major figure in neo-nazi and far right circles, with a long history in media and politics. It is as if Alex Jones were caught red-handed trying to bomb NSA headquarters or shoot up the Bilderburg conference. It is a serious escalation in the far right’s push for outright civil war.

81 A Mom Anon  Apr 14, 2014 1:58:54am

I left a reply over the confusion I inadvertently caused in the thread below over dogs/leash laws/owners not cleaning up after their dogs… geesh.

82 A Mom Anon  Apr 14, 2014 2:08:51am

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel

Exactly. I get really tired of hearing about these domestic terrorists (and that IS what they are) being some kind of lone wolf that just sprang out of nowhere. Bullshit. That sort of hate is nourished by a community of like minded people, it doesn’t come from nowhere.

83 goddamnedfrank  Apr 14, 2014 2:23:04am

The Feds are probably going to have to move hard on the Bundy Ranch and militia goons soon, hopefully with criminal warrants. It’s dangerous to let sit the idea they got away with that bullshit. Especially the detaining of federal employees, and militia guys who were photographed “scoping” agents. Those are some felony offenses. The longer this festers unanswered the more likely it is to spread like cancer.

84 A Mom Anon  Apr 14, 2014 2:25:48am

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

That’s what scares me about this. You give these people ANY sense of victory and they will have no qualms at all about moving their lunatic cause forward.

85 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 2:34:02am

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Since Bundy lost his court cases (correct?), a court can garnish any income of his, no? I don’t know what the law is about this, but it seems like something that many criminals have had done to them to pay back their victims.

86 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 2:43:45am

re: #3 Targetpractice

Now how can that be, when we’ve been assured that the only terrorists we have to worry about are left-wing ones?

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Duh. Because Nazis are liberals. They’re National Socialists, remember?

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87 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:46:49am

You want an “explanation” about “unconfirmed reports”? What are you, some kind of idiot? Or just a propagandist?

Russia’s Lavrov says he wants an explanation about unconfirmed reports that CIA Director John Brennan visited Ukraine’s capital Kiev - @Reuters

More to the point and just as phony.

Russia’s Foreign Minister Lavrov says it is in Russia’s interests that Ukraine be united, all citizens should be equal - @Reuters

Yeah, we believe this, too.

“The main task of the launch was to confirm the reliability of a batch of missiles manufactured at the Votkinsk plant, in Udmurtia,” the Defence Ministry’s strategic missile force spokesman says

Russia conducts test launch of new intercontinental ballistic missile, defense ministry says - @itass_en
read more on itar-tass.com

88 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:51:04am

More of the Russian strategy in eastern Ukraine—take over the cop shops.

Pro-Russian activists are building barricades inside a police station they now control in Horlivka, eastern Ukraine - @SkyNewsBreak
end of alert

89 Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2014 2:55:18am

That police chief was sure going out of his way at a press conference to not declare it a hate crime. Reminds me of the Oak Creek Wi chief after the Sikh Temple massacre.

90 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:55:29am
91 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 3:19:06am
92 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 3:30:15am

re: #91 Kragar

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Grazing “tax”? No dear, that’s a fee, no different than if Bundy had an agreement to pay a fee to his neighbor in order to graze his cattle on the land.

93 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 3:36:53am
94 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 3:39:17am

re: #93 Kragar

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She does know about Bundy’s argument that he has grazing rights to the land because his family has worked it since the 1880s, right?

95 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 4:00:04am

re: #93 Kragar

That’s quite the historical revisionism she’s got going on there.

96 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 4:05:05am

Here’s some bullshit/cognitive dissonance if there ever was any:

Rancher’s son: ‘Weapons needed to intimidate’ feds during Nevada cattle seizure standoff

A show of force was necessary to stop the government seizure and sale of embattled cattle rancher Cliven Bundy’s cows, his son said on Sunday, a day after an armed standoff between federal agents and hundreds of Bundy’s supporters.

“We were dedicated to opening those gates and peacefully walking through to retrieve those cattle,” Ammon Bundy said in an interview. “The presence of weapons was needed in order to intimidate them.”

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[…]

Shorter Ammon: We are peaceful so we brought weapons to intimidate.

97 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 4:06:35am

We rented “Gravity” Fri night and about 30 min in, it stopped working. Why can’t people take better care of these things? Because they’re “just rentals”? It wasn’t the money, it was the fucking inconvenience and stymied anticipation of seeing what appeared to be a pretty good movie and we were just the recipients of some person’s unthinking carelessness. Now, we’ll have to take another chance that we don’t get the same disc next time.

Damn it all.

98 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 4:08:06am

re: #96 freetoken

Here’s some bullshit/cognitive dissonance if there ever was any:

Rancher’s son: ‘Weapons needed to intimidate’ feds during Nevada cattle seizure standoff

Shorter Ammon: We are peaceful so we brought weapons to intimidate.

Willie Sutton preferred to rob banks peacefully.

99 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 4:09:41am

re: #96 freetoken

Here’s some bullshit/cognitive dissonance if there ever was any:

Rancher’s son: ‘Weapons needed to intimidate’ feds during Nevada cattle seizure standoff

Shorter Ammon: We are peaceful so we brought weapons to intimidate.

So, they’re admitting to premeditated intimidation of federal officials by a show of arms?

That’s an arrestable offense, isn’t it?

100 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:18:25am

The BLM brought in the men needed to take the cattle from Bundy, but pulled back when they realized they didn’t have the man power on hand to deal with the Oaf Creepers.

When they go back in, they’ll have a better idea of what to bring.

Your taxpayer dollars at work.

101 EdDantes  Apr 14, 2014 4:20:07am

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

So, they’re admitting to premeditated intimidation of federal officials by a show of arms?

That’s an arrestable offense, isn’t it?

That’s what George the third asked :-)

102 sagehen  Apr 14, 2014 4:20:37am

Maybe BLM could ask Vegas to lend them some of those homeland security armored vehicles that police departments have been using to raid the homes of alleged pot smokers. Finally a use for them.

103 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 4:21:49am

re: #100 Kragar

The BLM brought in the men needed to take the cattle from Bundy, but pulled back when they realized they didn’t have the man power on hand to deal with the Oaf Creepers.

When they go back in, they’ll have a better idea of what to bring.

Your taxpayer dollars at work.

The Feds are tyrants because they tried to enforce the law. They’re cowards because they chose not to slaughter a couple hundred assholes in the process. Ya’ gotta read the news the Right way.

104 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 4:25:45am

Still traveling in the Valley of the Shadow of No-connectivity. BBL.

105 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 4:32:46am

Craziness around Kansas City:

littlegreenfootballs.com

106 makeitstop  Apr 14, 2014 4:57:24am

Even after their big ‘victory,’ my Facebook wingnuts are still whinging about the whole Bundy thing.

And their ‘facts’ are such a jumble of bad information, I’m not even going to try to correct them. It’s impossible to reason with feeble minds that have been made up.

107 Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2014 5:06:10am

State GOP gets to vote on secession at convention

To secede or not to secede.

That will be the question for Wisconsin Republicans at next month’s convention.

Earlier this month, the party’s Resolutions Committee voted in favor of a proposal that says the state party “supports legislation that upholds Wisconsin’s right, under extreme circumstances, to secede.”

A version of the so-called “state sovereignty” resolution was first OK’d last month by one of the state GOP’s eight regional caucuses as an assertion of the state’s 10th Amendment rights. The measure also calls for ending all mandates that go “beyond the scope of the constitutionally delegated powers of the federal government.”

108 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 5:09:41am

re: #107 Amory Blaine

“I don’t think that one aligns with where most Republican officials are in the state of Wisconsin — certainly not with me,” Walker said at a press event on Friday.

When the true believers decry Walker - that will be delicious.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 5:10:06am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

The Feds are tyrants because they tried to enforce the law. They’re cowards because they chose not to slaughter a couple hundred assholes in the process. Ya’ gotta read the news the Right way.

Also the odds are that the BLM personnel out collecting cattle were not heavily trained (or equipped) for facing down a few dozen armed men accompanied by additional by-standers*. I’m glad that whoever was in charge of them was thinking about their safety above the goal of collecting the cattle despite the confrontation.

Presumably the next round will involve Federal officers prepared for such a situation since it appears that Bundy & Co. are not going to obey the court orders.

* - Wasn’t there a remark by one of the Bundy defenders about putting the women out front?

110 dr. luba  Apr 14, 2014 5:19:31am
* - Wasn’t there a remark by one of the Bundy defenders about putting the women out front?

That was also Putin, speaking about Crimea. Great minds think alike.

(None of the buttons work on my work computer. I blame whatever flavor of Explorer we are forced to use.)

111 Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2014 5:25:41am

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

Thing is too, now that future dealings with the public may arouse a bunch of gun-toting assholes, officials may use military style tactics more commonly. Ensuring or prompting a lower quality of interaction for more level headed people. It’s incredibly selfish all the way around.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 5:25:42am

re: #106 makeitstop

Even after their big ‘victory,’ my Facebook wingnuts are still whinging about the whole Bundy thing.

And their ‘facts’ are such a jumble of bad information, I’m not even going to try to correct them. It’s impossible to reason with feeble minds that have been made up.

They have to be a jumble since the “law and order” sorts will have to flip positions if they get the information right about who actually owns the land, how grazing fees work, and that Bundy has been flouting those and court orders for a couple of decades.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 5:30:02am

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Thing is too, now that future dealings with the public may arouse a bunch of gun-toting assholes, officials may use military style tactics more commonly. Ensuring or prompting a lower of quality of interaction for more level headed people. It’s incredibly selfish all the way around.

That’s one reason I have a lot of respect for the game wardens in Pennsylvania. Pretty much any interaction they have in the field is going to be with armed people. And probably with a limited ideal of how many they are, what their attitudes are, and potentially how much they have been drinking.

Though they also do get help from locals and hunters who are responsible. Friend of mine’s father spotted where someone was baiting deer, showed it to the local warden, and was in the general area “just in case” when the warden arrested someone for poaching.*

* - Said person had noticed the warden and dumped their gun and other equipment (later found) and then just claimed they were walking in the area.

114 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 5:34:58am

One of the most tiring things about wingnut sophistry is that it isn’t even really good enough to qualify as sophistry.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 5:36:01am

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Thing is too, now that future dealings with the public may arouse a bunch of gun-toting assholes, officials may use military style tactics more commonly. Ensuring or prompting a lower of quality of interaction for more level headed people. It’s incredibly selfish all the way around.

I should talk to my BIL. He has a ranch in Colorado and must interact with the BLM, or know people who do (or work for BLM). I know there is some friction since BLM for years claimed there were no mountain lions in the Yampa Valley and my BIL ended up with direct proof that there were.

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 5:39:18am

re: #114 freetoken

One of the most tiring things about wingnut sophistry is that it isn’t even really good enough to qualify as sophistry.

That’s because it does reverse logic and assumes the conclusion while then trying to jigsaw puzzle facts and evidence to support said conclusion. This quickly leads to use of additional logical fallacies, appeals to authority, and the ultimate winning argument - “just shut up*”.

* - With optional addition of “you (insert chosen derogatory label here) you”.

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 5:43:21am

I have started reading a series of mystery novels by “C. J. Box.” His hero is a game warden in Wyoming, and he interacts with local ranchers, townies, and hunters, as well as Federal agencies and State governments.

The books are very well written and entertaining, and display healthy contempt both for the “Sovereign” militia types and control freak government bureaucrats.

118 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 5:44:51am

re: #107 Amory Blaine

State GOP gets to vote on secession at convention

Right now, Abe Lincoln is spinning so fast in his grave if we could find a way to hook up a dynamo to him, he could power the entire Eastern Seaboard indefinitely.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 5:53:30am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

I have started reading a series of mystery novels by “C. J. Box.” His hero is a game warden in Wyoming, and he interacts with local ranchers, townies, and hunters, as well as Federal agencies and State governments.

The books are very well written and entertaining, and display healthy contempt both for the “Sovereign” militia types and control freak government bureaucrats.

I think the latter is a more widely held attitude than a lot of people let on. My BIL worked for the county for a while and thus has an understanding on how government is an aid to the ranchers and farmers and not simply something taxing them and “blocking” success.

(addition)
And along the lines of the Bundy-thing my BIL understands overgrazing since the land abutting his was overgrazed and essentially has been useless for more than 5-6 cattle for a number of years. It takes quite a while for overgrazed land to recover on its own. And it is expensive to have it plowed and reseeded if possible to do that in any case.

120 Randall Gross  Apr 14, 2014 6:08:02am

H/t to Øyvind Strømmen - This Times of Israel story points out that the suspect was associated with the murder of Alan Berg in Denver, but turned states evidence on his co-conspirators in the hate group “The Order”

timesofisrael.com

121 A Mom Anon  Apr 14, 2014 6:16:20am

re: #120 Randall Gross

OMG. Wow.

122 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 6:16:50am

My reading of the Bundy tea leaves:

First, as of right now despite the appearance BLM got what it wanted. That the negotiator was the county sheriff doesn’t make him Bundy’s buddy.

BLM sold a bunch of the cattle they seized. Bundy is getting about half that money back. The rest is being applied against the delinquent fees. The remaining cattle are being returned to Bundy.

Bundy agreed to have his cattle off federal land within 30 days. (A reasonable time, I think). That’s where the tea leaves come in.

See, I don’t think he’s going to follow through on his agreement. I think he really believes he got one over on the federal government and all he has to do is whistle up his supporters and keep doing things his way.

And that’s when it’s going to turn interesting. That’s when various liens get served for what amounts to the interest and added collection expenses. That’s when the de facto probation for kidnapping and threatening federal officials in the performance of their duties expires. If’n I were a betting man I’d happily wager that BLM, NPS (which was also involved), and a few other agencies are drafting a contingency plan for this confrontation to try to avoid excessive bloodshed.

Hopefully I’m wrong about Bundy. Hopefully since it was a (relative) local with whom he made this agreement, he abides by it. It’s just that his behavior for the past 20 years leads me to believe otherwise.

123 Political Atheist  Apr 14, 2014 6:20:19am

Pssst. Morning grins.

Good morning all. Or for you folks in distant time zones happy whatever it is.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 6:20:25am

re: #122 kirkspencer

My reading of the Bundy tea leaves:

First, as of right now despite the appearance BLM got what it wanted. That the negotiator was the county sheriff doesn’t make him Bundy’s buddy.

BLM sold a bunch of the cattle they seized. Bundy is getting about half that money back. The rest is being applied against the delinquent fees. The remaining cattle are being returned to Bundy.

Bundy agreed to have his cattle off federal land within 30 days. (A reasonable time, I think). That’s where the tea leaves come in.

See, I don’t think he’s going to follow through on his agreement. I think he really believes he got one over on the federal government and all he has to do is whistle up his supporters and keep doing things his way.

And that’s when it’s going to turn interesting. That’s when various liens get served for what amounts to the interest and added collection expenses. That’s when the de facto probation for kidnapping and threatening federal officials in the performance of their duties expires. If’n I were a betting man I’d happily wager that BLM, NPS (which was also involved), and a few other agencies are drafting a contingency plan for this confrontation to try to avoid excessive bloodshed.

Hopefully I’m wrong about Bundy. Hopefully since it was a (relative) local with whom he made this agreement, he abides by it. It’s just that his behavior for the past 20 years leads me to believe otherwise.

If he reneges on an agreement made via the county sheriff then he pretty much puts the lie to his “sovereign citizen” status claim since IIRC even they generally accept county level governance. And I wonder if at that point he also starts losing any local support he had remaining. (Assuming he had any to start with.)

125 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 6:20:29am

re: #107 Amory Blaine

State GOP gets to vote on secession at convention

In fairness, the way I’m reading this it seems to be that they’re voting on a resolution that effectively just says “We assert that we have a right to secede if it gets bad enough”. Which is dumb, but relatively harmless.

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 6:20:36am

re: #120 Randall Gross

H/t to Øyvind Strømmen - This Times of Israel story points out that the suspect was associated with the murder of Alan Berg in Denver, but turned states evidence on his co-conspirators in the hate group “The Order”

timesofisrael.com

From the article, DimJim can stop searching for voter registrations:

Miller, who also goes by the alias Fraiser Glenn Cross Jr., founded the North Carolina-based White Patriot Party, an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan, in 1980. In 1984 he ran in North Carolina’s Democratic primary for the governorship, garnering 5,790 votes - 0.61% of the total votes cast. He later attempted in 1986 to run in the North Carolina Republic [sic] primary for a Senate seat.

127 Political Atheist  Apr 14, 2014 6:22:26am

re: #125 GunstarGreen

In fairness, the way I’m reading this it seems to be that they’re voting on a resolution that effectively just says “We assert that we have a right to secede if it gets bad enough”. Which is dumb, but relatively harmless.

Posturing posers are posturing.

128 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 6:23:15am

re: #125 GunstarGreen

In fairness, the way I’m reading this it seems to be that they’re voting on a resolution that effectively just says “We assert that we have a right to secede if it gets bad enough”. Which is dumb, but relatively harmless.

No, it’s “we can refuse to obey any federal laws or regulations we think are wrong, and secede if that’s what it requires.” NOT relatively harmless but certainly dumb.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 6:28:35am

re: #128 kirkspencer

No, it’s “we can refuse to obey any federal laws or regulations we think are wrong, and secede if that’s what it requires.” NOT relatively harmless but certainly dumb.

I wonder if the SUVCW (Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War) is going to organize a protest to this since a fair number of Wisconsinites got to bleed to prevent the last large outbreak of this sort of stupidity.

130 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 6:30:04am

re: #128 kirkspencer

Eh, six one way and half a dozen the other. Voting on a resolution to make a stupid claim is not the same thing as actually doing that, so unless and until they actually disobey a federal law it’s just dumb posturing.

That being said, I almost wish one of these asshole states would grow a spine and actually do it. Alright, you seceded — all federal funding and aid immediately stops, all federal employment/services (military, mail, etc. immediately withdraw, border-style barriers and checkpoints go up along your former-state lines, and we start charging you tariffs.

See how long it takes before they come crawling back, then levy heavy fines and penalties. Consider actually making some of them a line-item for the next X years, “Idiot Tax”.

131 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 6:30:54am

re: #128 kirkspencer

Finally found the text, though it’s still indirect. It comes from the Sixth district, and goes:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that we strongly insist our state representatives work to uphold Wisconsin’s 10th Amendment rights, and our right to secede, passing legislation affirming this to the US Federal Government

132 Eventual Carrion  Apr 14, 2014 6:34:23am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the article, DimJim can stop searching for voter registrations:

Wonder how many votes he got in the republican primary voting? Can’t find that number yet.

Edit: Found it

6,662 votes 3.18%

133 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:46:28am

re: #50 theheat

The guy was a convicted felon, so which law-abiding responsible sympathizer sold him his guns? Maybe they’re free like decoder rings when you graduate from babyklukker to full blown klukker.

Legally, the guy could only own a butter knife, so somebody has some explaining to do.

Honestly, it seems our gun laws have few teeth.

THIS PISSES ME OFF.

134 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 6:46:29am

re: #122 kirkspencer

My reading of the Bundy tea leaves:

First, as of right now despite the appearance BLM got what it wanted. That the negotiator was the county sheriff doesn’t make him Bundy’s buddy.

BLM sold a bunch of the cattle they seized. Bundy is getting about half that money back. The rest is being applied against the delinquent fees. The remaining cattle are being returned to Bundy.

Bundy agreed to have his cattle off federal land within 30 days. (A reasonable time, I think). That’s where the tea leaves come in.

See, I don’t think he’s going to follow through on his agreement. I think he really believes he got one over on the federal government and all he has to do is whistle up his supporters and keep doing things his way.

And that’s when it’s going to turn interesting. That’s when various liens get served for what amounts to the interest and added collection expenses. That’s when the de facto probation for kidnapping and threatening federal officials in the performance of their duties expires. If’n I were a betting man I’d happily wager that BLM, NPS (which was also involved), and a few other agencies are drafting a contingency plan for this confrontation to try to avoid excessive bloodshed.

Hopefully I’m wrong about Bundy. Hopefully since it was a (relative) local with whom he made this agreement, he abides by it. It’s just that his behavior for the past 20 years leads me to believe otherwise.

Agreed, Bundy’s a creature of habit, he won’t abide by the agreement. In 30 days, his cattle will still be trespassing and he’ll still be acting like he’s got a right to the land. And when the Feds show up again 30+ days, he figures he can just ring up his militia buddies, give them his sob story again, and he can push things to the point that he’s given another 30 day extension. But what he doesn’t realize is that this was his one last chance, there will not be another extension.

When the BLM shows up again, it will be with much more manpower and a lot more firepower. And when his buddies try again to intimidate them into backing down, they’re gonna find themselves behind bars or worse. The sheriff won’t be bailing him out again, because even if he tries to negotiate another deal to “keep the peace,” the BLM’s not gonna agree to it.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 6:46:53am
136 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:50:17am

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

Also the odds are that the BLM personnel out collecting cattle were not heavily trained (or equipped) for facing down a few dozen armed men accompanied by additional by-standers*. I’m glad that whoever was in charge of them was thinking about their safety above the goal of collecting the cattle despite the confrontation.

Presumably the next round will involve Federal officers prepared for such a situation since it appears that Bundy & Co. are not going to obey the court orders.

* - Wasn’t there a remark by one of the Bundy defenders about putting the women out front?

Yesterday morning about 11:15ish on Fox Sirius Radio.

I heard it, but didn’t get the name of the speaker.

137 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 14, 2014 6:52:04am

Glenn Miller appears in the 1991 documentary, “Blood in the Face”. It’s on Netflix steaming, if anyone is interested. It’s full of exactly what you’d expect: a bunch of ignorant rednecks who dress up in military costumes of various flavors and rant about secret number codes found in the Bible that prove the Jews did it, and/or manipulated their “negro soldier puppets” into doing it for them. “It” being whatever they’re pissed off about that day.

138 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:54:48am

I absolutely hate that history is likely to remember this Glenn Miller and not the good guy.
Youtube Video

139 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 6:55:25am
140 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:55:36am

Interestingly enough Frazier Glenn Miller has some nasty initials.

141 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 14, 2014 7:03:06am

Here’s Miller in all his resplendent erudition. Arguably NSFW, and post-exposure brain bleach will be required.

Youtube Video

Linking to direct timestamps doesn’t seem to work, so the relevant bits are at 1:35 and 5:57.

142 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:08:25am

It’s raining in my part of the world and the temperature dropped.

Allergies are much better than Kentucky tho. Things don’t look so good for that area tho.

As the severe weather threat continues into Monday, winter makes another quick return

The severe weather threat will move into the Deep South on Monday as a strong cold front continues to move through the U.S. Flash flooding will also be possible as ample moisture over the area results in heavy rainfall. Behind the front, much colder temperatures will settle in to the central U.S. through Tuesday with some areas experiencing snow or a wintry mix.

143 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:10:51am
144 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 7:11:07am
Tea Party rep. says ‘un-American’ cattle roundup reminds her of Tiananman Square

Arizona state Rep. Kelly Townsend said she was shocked by a video that shows police using a stun gun on Ammon Bundy, one of the rancher’s sons, during an altercation last week.

“Watching that video last night created a visceral reaction in me,” Townsend told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “It sounds dramatic, but it reminded me of Tiananmen Square. I don’t recognize my country at this point.

145 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 7:12:53am

re: #144 Dr. Matt

Well, that’s actually not much different from all the moronic Nazi/Soviet analogies we’ve heard from the teabaggers ever since a ni*CLANG was elected president.

Also, “I don’t recognize my country anymore” is codespeak for “I can’t believe we’re actually letting a non-white male run things”.

146 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:13:25am
147 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:14:11am

re: #144 Dr. Matt

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because how many people were disappeared?

Help me out here, I can’t remember.

/

148 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 7:14:18am
149 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:14:46am
150 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 7:15:17am

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

I invite the ghosts of the men of these units to haunt the clowns who voted for this.

151 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:15:47am
152 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 7:16:16am
153 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:16:37am

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

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They can stop calling themselves the Party of Lincoln now but then again they should have done that a long time ago.

154 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 7:18:27am

re: #145 Ian G.

Also, “I don’t recognize my country anymore” is codespeak for “I can’t believe we’re actually letting a non-white male run things”.

She comes from the same breed of “people” that were seething and cheering for the “I want my country back” lady which was only 6 months after President Obama was first sworn in…..those “people” who were all on medicare and were receiving their social security benefits.

155 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 7:20:33am
156 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:20:57am

re: #150 Ian G.

I invite the ghosts of the men of these units to haunt the clowns who voted for this.

Yeah it’s pretty messed up to see. I mean this wouldn’t shock me if it were say Mississippi but Wisconsin which was one of the most true to the union states during the war? But then again as I said, the GOP should have forfeited the right to call themselves the party of Lincoln years ago.

157 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Apr 14, 2014 7:21:32am

re: #20 calochortus

Some Freepers have this all figured out:

So far, all indications are that the shooter was a Klansman, thus an obama-supporting DemonRAT. In contrast, the TEA Party and Conservatives stand for God, life and liberty.

Of course, his memory doesn’t seem to be very good.

I can’t get past the word “thus”. It makes me feel all Inigo Montoyaish inside.

158 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:21:55am

re: #144 Dr. Matt

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Hysteria thy name is Republicans.

159 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:23:24am

re: #157 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Of course, his memory doesn’t seem to be very good.

I can’t get past the word “thus”. It makes me feel all Inigo Montoyaish inside.

Yes, the Klan, Obama’s biggest supporters and maybe the Freepers should read up about the KKK in Indiana. The KKK were only monolithically Democratic in their first incarnation after the Civil War. The Klan when it was most successful in the 1920’s was filled of people from both parties.

160 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:24:08am

Only a right wing moron would convince himself that the KKK are liberals because you know support for white supremacy, the CSA, etc are such liberal ideals

161 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:24:18am
162 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 7:25:22am

bbl

163 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 7:27:19am

re: #157 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Of course, his memory doesn’t seem to be very good.

I can’t get past the word “thus”. It makes me feel all Inigo Montoyaish inside.

Try this.

“I thought David Duke was a Republican.”

(edited to correct block-quoting)

164 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 7:27:22am

The Klan and Tea Party both oppose liberals, socialists, minorities, immigration, Teh Gays, hollywood, and American Jews and both groups support God, Nation, gun rights, Israel (because they kill brown people), the confederate rag, and Freedumb.

165 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 7:31:12am
166 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:32:03am

re: #164 Dr. Matt

The Klan and Tea Party both oppose liberals, socialists, minorities, immigration, Teh Gays, hollywood, and American Jews and both groups support God, Nation, gun rights, Israel (because they kill brown people), the confederate rag, and Freedumb.

At the core, both the KKK and Tea Party fear and despise America being anything that isn’t in their image of what America should be. And that includes having a black president and a society where women are treated as equals to men as well as one where racial and sexual minorities aren’t treated like second class citizens.

167 Mattand  Apr 14, 2014 7:35:01am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

This needs to be paged. Great find.

168 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 7:35:40am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

At the core, both the KKK and Tea Party fear and despise America being anything that isn’t in their image of what America should be.

This:

A Conservative “America”

169 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 7:43:26am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

At the core, both the KKK and Tea Party fear and despise America being anything that isn’t in their image of what America should be. And that includes having a black president and a society where women are treated as equals to men as well as one where racial and sexual minorities aren’t treated like second class citizens.

Right on cue:

170 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 7:45:10am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

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Heh:

(At the risk of enraging the Glennbots, I’ll leave the reader to decide precisely how Omidyar’s meeting to determine the editorial strategy of First Look squares with recent assurances that “Pierre has no involvement in the newsroom’s day-to-day operations. All editorial decisions at First Look… are made exclusively by our team of editors and reporters. Questions of journalism - what issues to cover, and how best to cover them - belong entirely to our journalists.”)

171 Eventual Carrion  Apr 14, 2014 7:45:30am

re: #169 Lidane

Right on cue:

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Just like it has done for most of our existence. Let those white Europeans in and things have gone to hell in a hand basket.

172 Mattand  Apr 14, 2014 7:47:02am

re: #122 kirkspencer

re: #134 Targetpractice

Part of me looks at the Bundy/BLM situation and hopes that this asshole gets what’s coming to him: a long jail term for repeatedly violating the law that everyone else follows

Part of me also realizes this could easily give the GOP/conservatives/Tea Baggers* the right-wing Jesus martyr they’ve been craving since OMG BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

That’s what makes me concerned: not only is this another Ruby Ridge in the making; but given the general paranoid psychosis that passes for Tea Bag logic, this is the Fort Sumter these fuckwits have been craving.

But, yeah, I’ve got to think the BLM will return with some sizable backup. Tea Baggers are hard cases when dealing with essentially unarmed bureaucrats. I’d like to see how they deal with professional LEOs.

*For any conservatives out there: seriously, guys; there is no daylight between you and the nut jobs anymore. Not until a good chunk of you supposedly “sane” conservatives stop acting like gutless cowards and kick out the kooks.

173 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 7:47:05am

re: #169 Lidane

Right on cue:

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People used to say that when we had a lot of people with the name Baretta emigrating too. Sigh more things change the more they remain the same. But this is exactly why the GOP is such a shitty parry. They don’t want to understand immigration. They just want to make illegal aliens out to be this boogeyman.

174 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 7:56:08am

Woman who threw shoe at Clinton thinks Colorado theater shooter is living in her head

She has taken batshit crazy to 11. Bachmann is envious.

175 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 7:56:39am

re: #172 Mattand

But, yeah, I’ve got to think the BLM will return with some sizable backup. Tea Baggers are hard cases when dealing with essentially unarmed bureaucrats. I’d like to see how they deal with professional LEOs.

Personally, I’d like see how the Teabaggers would deal with this.

176 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 7:59:20am

re: #172 Mattand

fwiw, when I say the various agencies are making plans, I mean they’re looking at various minimal and non-confrontational methods. Force is just a back-up.

The basic deal is that Bundy is using - and destroying through overgrazing - land that isn’t his. All BLM and NPS want is for him to stop doing it. It isn’t of itself a capital crime.

It’s the complications that get nasty.

177 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 7:59:56am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

People used to say that when we had a lot of people with the name Baretta emigrating too. Sigh more things change the more they remain the same. But this is exactly why the GOP is such a shitty parry. They don’t want to understand immigration. They just want to make illegal aliens out to be this boogeyman.

Cripe, they were saying it when there were a lot of people names Stoltzfus immigrating.

178 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 8:00:06am
re: #175 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I’d like see how the Teabaggers would deal with this.

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Or this:

179 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 8:01:44am

re: #177 GeneJockey

Cripe, they were saying it when there were a lot of people names Stoltzfus immigrating.

Depends if that Stoltzfus was a Catholic or not but yeah point made :).

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 8:03:00am
181 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 8:03:53am

The older boy has a tendency to pace. One of our pets is a water turtle, who is very social. As you walk by her tank, she follows you. She’s been swimming from one end of the tank to the other following him. It’s very cute.

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 8:03:56am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Apparently she is 14 years old.

183 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 8:04:47am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m pretty sure I heard that teenage dumbass soil herself all the way over here in the Czech Republic.

*headdesk*

184 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 8:06:51am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Depends if that Stoltzfus was a Catholic or not but yeah point made :).

No, Stoltzfi were and are generally Anabaptist of one variety or another. Back in the 1750s, before there even WAS an America, Ben Franklin said pretty much exactly the same thing about the German immigrants in Pennsylvania as is being said now about current immigrants - they live in enclaves, they don’t learn the language, they want to make this into THEIR country, etc.

But he didn’t complain about having to Press 1 for English….

185 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 8:07:27am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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People are stupid.

186 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 8:08:42am

re: #184 GeneJockey

No, Stoltzfi were and are generally Anabaptist of one variety or another. Back in the 1750s, before there even WAS an America, Ben Franklin said pretty much exactly the same thing about the German immigrants in Pennsylvania as is being said now about current immigrants - they live in enclaves, they don’t learn the language, they want to make this into THEIR country, etc.

But he didn’t complain about having to Press 1 for English….

Ah! I see. But yeah seems to me that more things change, the more they remain the same. Same slurs just different groups.

187 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 8:10:30am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Ah! I see. But yeah seems to me that more things change, the more they remain the same. Same slurs just different groups.

But this time it’s DIFFERENT!!!

188 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 8:12:42am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

re: #178 Dr. Matt

Neither are needed (nor authorized per posse comitatus acts).

The court has (multiple times) given BLM the right to remove and confiscate the cattle found on federal land. (see for example this and this, the two most recent court decisions over the whole mess. Actually, read them so you know some of the extra hurdles the BLM has crossed.)

All that’s required is for BLM to continue taking and selling any and all cattle found on the land. Bundy cannot afford to mount sufficient armed guards over all of them - it rapidly becomes cheaper to use approved land. So just use UAVs to overfly the herds and check for guards. No guards, run in a cattle collection team. Have a delay-strike team on standby for when Bundy tries to play stupid interception games. Plan and prepare an assault team for Bundy trying to turn it all into a shooting match on federal land.

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 8:16:39am

re: #177 GeneJockey

Cripe, they were saying it when there were a lot of people names Stoltzfus immigrating.

The GOP is simply turning into the latest periodic outbreak of Know Nothingism. It’s sort of like mumps for countries. The virus moves from country to country and periodically comes back around once a new generation has been born that hasn’t gotten resistance to that particular brand of cluelessness.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 8:18:09am

re: #184 GeneJockey

No, Stoltzfi were and are generally Anabaptist of one variety or another. Back in the 1750s, before there even WAS an America, Ben Franklin said pretty much exactly the same thing about the German immigrants in Pennsylvania as is being said now about current immigrants - they live in enclaves, they don’t learn the language, they want to make this into THEIR country, etc.

But he didn’t complain about having to Press 1 for English….

But did he think pressing ‘2’ for Delaware was going too far?
// ;)

191 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 8:20:16am

re: #188 kirkspencer

Neither are needed (nor authorized per posse comitatus acts).

Youtube Video

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 8:21:41am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

I don’t think the desert tortoise would appreciate being carpet bombed. Their retaliation might take some time to come through though.
//

193 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 8:21:53am

re: #189 Feline Fearless Leader

The GOP is simply turning into the latest periodic outbreak of Know Nothingism. It’s sort of like mumps for countries. The virus moves from country to country and periodically comes back around once a new generation has been born that hasn’t gotten resistance to that particular brand of cluelessness.

What makes it sad is their party’s founding father, Lincoln was a great champion of immigrants. But then again, they’ve been sounding more like the party of George Wallace and Jefferson Davis in recent years than Abe so I guess it’s not that big a stretch.

194 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 8:23:04am

Heh.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 8:23:09am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

What makes it sad is their party’s founding father, Lincoln was a great champion of immigrants. But then again, they’ve been sounding more like the party of George Wallace and Jefferson Davis in recent years than Abe so I guess it’s not that big a stretch.

Through the Republican Party started out with their share of Know Nothings, along with Whigs, and a conglomeration of other political pieces.

196 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 8:24:35am

ZOMG TYRANNY!

197 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 8:25:17am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

Through the Republican Party started out with their share of Know Nothings, along with Whigs, and a conglomeration of other political pieces.

True but Lincoln himself was very much not one. Shit though, what does it tell you that Jeb Bush is getting shit for saying illegal immigration may be a crime but not a particularly evil one. That party sold its soul to get the people who supported Strom Thurmond in ‘48 and Wallace in 68 and then combined that with a very bad reading of Adam Smith.

198 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 8:27:14am

re: #192 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think the desert tortoise would appreciate being carpet bombed. Their retaliation might take some time to come through though.
//

The tortoise militia is quite resilient.

199 bratwurst  Apr 14, 2014 8:29:18am

re: #194 Lidane

200 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 8:30:28am
Miller is a raging anti-Semite who has posted more than 12,000 times on Vanguard News Network (VNN), whose slogan is “No Jews, Just Right.” VNN founder Alex Linder has openly advocated “exterminating” Jews since December 2009. Miller, a close partner to Linder, has called Jews “swarthy, hairy, bow-legged, beady-eyed, parasitic midgets.”

Oh, well, he sounds nice.

///

201 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 14, 2014 8:31:06am

re: #199 bratwurst

It’s near Perth, I think.

202 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 8:31:35am

I really wonder if this is true? Another unnamed source.

US is considering supplying arms to Ukraine, as unrest continues in Eastern cities, an adviser to Secretary of State John Kerry says - @Reuters
end of alert

203 CuriousLurker  Apr 14, 2014 8:33:41am

re: #81 A Mom Anon

I left a reply over the confusion I inadvertently caused in the thread below over dogs/leash laws/owners not cleaning up after their dogs… geesh.

Heh, you’re not the one who caused the confusion.

204 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 8:34:21am
205 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:34:22am

Bad news: Russian, Iranian and Syrian influence is spreading unchecked
Good News: Israel is making new friends
Israel says close to forging new ties across Arab world

Amongst the countries he was in contact with were Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Lieberman told newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth - the first such disclosure by a senior Israeli official.

Saudi Arabia denied having any talks with Israel. Kuwait was not immediately available for comment.

Both these states, along with most other Arab nations, have traditionally been highly hostile towards Israel, which has only signed peace deals with two neighbours - Egypt and Jordan.

However, anti-Israeli sentiment was being superseded by a growing concern over Iran’s nuclear programme, Tehran’s regional allies, and the menace of Islamist militancy, Lieberman said.

“For the first time there is an understanding there that the real threat is not Israel, the Jews or Zionism. It is Iran, global jihad, (Lebanese Shi’ite guerrilla group) Hezbollah and al Qaeda,” the foreign minister said.

“There are contacts, there are talks, but we are very close to the stage in which within a year or 18 months it will no longer be secret, it will be conducted openly,” added Lieberman, who is a far rightist in the coalition government.

206 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 8:34:27am

re: #190 Feline Fearless Leader

But did he think pressing ‘2’ for Delaware was going too far?
// ;)

“Preff ye 2 for Delaware”

207 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 8:35:00am

re: #200 Bulworth

Oh, well, he sounds nice.

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Typical liberal.//

208 S'latch  Apr 14, 2014 8:36:02am

Out of curiosity, I watched a hate video that Glenn Miller has on YouTube. It appears there are several videos. He is a real sicko, virulently anti-Jewish. Interestingly, he says he is not a Christian, but he spouts old Christian anti-Jewish doctrines fluently. Although he is only an “alleged” perpetrator at this point, I have hardly any doubt he is the killer. Hate appears to be the central element of his entire personality.

209 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:36:50am

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

I really wonder if this is true? Another unnamed source.

US is considering supplying arms to Ukraine, as unrest continues in Eastern cities, an adviser to Secretary of State John Kerry says - @Reuters
end of alert

Maybe but there’s lots of wiggle room in the wording. Considering the possibility, maybe, thinking about sending 2 dozen replacement springs for pistols, etc. Anything we send them that ends up in battle is just going to end up in Russian hands anyways.

210 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 8:37:15am

Lidane posted:

We decided not to invite CNN to our Easter egg hunt.
— Albert Brooks (
@AlbertBrooks
)
April 14, 2014

Well played, Mister Brooks, well played.

211 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:39:59am

Yeah, about those plans to arms Syrian rebels……
Arming the ‘moderate’ rebels in the Syrian south

A front page story in yesterday’s New York Times features Syrian rebel commanders and coordinators complaining that weapons and other aid provided by the US are merely “buying time and giving people the illusion that there is aid when really there is not.” While the US has given the rebels over $260 million in “nonlethal support,” the article contends, the aid has not significantly helped or even convinced them that the US wants them to win.

Some caution on the US’ part in arming the rebels is warranted, however.

One of the rebel commanders depicted in the article is Bashar al Zoabi, head of the Yarmouk Brigade. Portrayed sympathetically (he is photographed at home with his young son, in the article’s online version), Zoabi heads a militia that has fought alongside the Al Nusrah Front, al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, on several occasions.

The “moderate Islamist” Yarmouk Brigade (or Yarmouk Martyrs’ Brigade) was formed in Deraa in August 2012 and fights mainly along the border with Jordan and the Golan Heights, according to the BBC. In the past it has been linked to the Free Syrian Army’s Supreme Military Council, but the New York Times article does not mention either the FSA or the SMC. In fact, the Yarmouk Brigade (Shuhada al Yarmouk Brigade) was one of 60 groups that defected from the Free Syrian Army in October [see LWJ report, Free Syrian Army continues to fracture as more units defect].

In March and May last year, the Yarmouk Brigade seized UN peacekeepers in the Golan Heights, releasing them only after “tough negotiations.”

212 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 8:40:23am

So, the Pulitzers will be announced at 3 pm today.

Greensnow is expected to win for best drama.

213 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:42:48am

Russian jet passes over U.S. warship

A U.S. military official says a Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region.

The official says the fighter flew within 1,000 yards (900 meters) of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet (150 meters) above sea level, saying this prompted ship commanders to issue several radio warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and the passes ended without incident.

214 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 8:46:19am

US military officials say a Russian attack warplane engaged in ‘provocative action’ when it buzzed the US Navy guided missile destroyer Donald Cook in the western Black Sea on Saturday, April 12 - @NBCNews
end of alert

Another instance of “someone saying”? Or true?

215 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 8:49:30am

re: #20 calochortus

Some Freepers have this all figured out:

Of course, his memory doesn’t seem to be very good.

Why is “being a regressive troglodyte that still uses elementary-school-style name-alike insults as an adult” a requirement for being a freeper?

I mean… srsly, do these people never listen to themselves? Are they never… you know, embarrassed to be literally acting like 5-year-olds?

216 S'latch  Apr 14, 2014 8:51:54am

Here’s David Parkman interviewing this guy. It’s nauseating.

Youtube Video

217 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 8:52:11am

re: #213 Killgore Trout

More Putin posturing?

218 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 8:52:31am

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Maybe but there’s lots of wiggle room in the wording. Considering the possibility, maybe, thinking about sending 2 dozen replacement springs for pistols, etc. Anything we send them that ends up in battle is just going to end up in Russian hands anyways.

The mujahideen would like a word with you regarding that assertion.

I live in this part of the world, and I can assure you, the fanatical hatred against the Russians is just under the surface. And it’s getting closer to the surface every day. I’ve had Czechs - mild, moderate Czechs, mind you - say they see no other possibility for the Ukrainians to be free than to pull a Beneš Decrees and tell the Russian population either to swear loyalty to Kyiv or GTFO and go back to Russia. And the less mild and moderate Czechs are talking about outright ethnic cleansing of the Russians in Ukraine.

And they want NATO to assist in that endeavor.

219 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:54:15am

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

More Putin posturing?

Yup.

220 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 8:54:16am

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

So, the Pulitzers will be announced at 3 pm today.

Greensnow is expected to win for best drama.

Prediction: He’s going to be dick regardless of the results.

221 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:57:07am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

The mujahideen would like a word with you regarding that assertion.

I live in this part of the world, and I can assure you, the fanatical hatred against the Russians is just under the surface. And it’s getting closer to the surface every day. I’ve had Czechs - mild, moderate Czechs, mind you - say they see no other possibility for the Ukrainians to be free than to pull a Beneš Decrees and tell the Russian population either to swear loyalty to Kyiv or GTFO and go back to Russia. And the less mild and moderate Czechs are talking about outright ethnic cleansing of the Russians in Ukraine.

And they want NATO to assist in that endeavor.

I have little doubt that they are tough folks but are they willing to fight a Chechen/Taliban style insurgency? That’s a tall order and could drag on for decades and would be devastating to the region. I’m not sure if they’re up for it but I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

222 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 8:58:06am
223 CuriousLurker  Apr 14, 2014 8:58:18am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

Yikes. It’s good to have someone in the area to provide some local perspective.

224 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 8:59:07am

Vox: Putin has already won in Ukraine

The hard truth is that Ukraine, while not totally on its own, is sort of on its own. Ukrainian leaders have wisely chosen to avoid a direct military confrontation with Russia, which it would almost certainly lose, and which would give Moscow an excuse to seize even more Ukrainian territory. That leaves the United States and Europe, which clearly oppose Russia’s actions in Ukraine, but are only willing to go so far to stop them from continuing.

The US and Europe have three main options for stopping Russia, all of which run into the same problem: Russia, despite Obama’s comments, is a pretty big and powerful country. The first option is targeted economic sanctions on top Russian officials: the US and European Union did this already, but it hasn’t appreciably deterred Moscow. The second is broader sanctions against the Russian economy; damaging the Russian economy would similarly damage Western European economies, probably beyond what they’re willing to accept during their tenuous recoveries from the Euro crisis. The third option is to threaten military retaliation, either explicitly or more implicitly by inviting Ukraine to apply for NATO membership; given that Russia has an enormous military and thousands of nuclear warheads, the risk of total global annihilation is probably higher than anyone is willing to accept.

225 jayjaybear  Apr 14, 2014 8:59:22am

re: #184 GeneJockey

This. I live in Lancaster, PA…Amish country. “Stoltzfus” is an amazingly common surname around here.

226 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 9:00:01am

Someone might want to explain the difference between winning a battle and winning a war. Just sayin’.

227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 14, 2014 9:01:45am

re: #226 Lidane

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Someone might want to explain the difference between winning a battle and winning a war. Just sayin’.

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228 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 9:01:50am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

I have little doubt that they are tough folks but are they willing to fight a Chechen/Taliban style insurgency? That’s a tall order and could drag on for decades and would be devastating to the region. I’m not sure if they’re up for it but I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

I know quite a few Ukrainians here - they come here because the economy is demonstrably better.

Would they fight? Yes. Yes they would.

Indeed, they’re quite looking forward to it. They know it will be devastating, but from their point of view, it’s time to tell Mother Russia to go f**k herself once and for all. Three of them I know personally have gone back home for the fight against the “Russian barbarian hordes” (their words).

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 9:03:00am

VB, what’s going on in Detroit? MrBWS was just told to pack for 4-5 days and the line crews are headed up there this afternoon.

230 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 9:03:20am

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Yikes. It’s good to have someone in the area to provide some local perspective.

What happened in Kiev, the months of patience and non-violence, has gone out the window by those fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine.

This is something other than disgruntled, disaffected citizens of Ukraine staging protests—these people are out for confrontation, takeover and blood, if necessary and they’re not stopping.

Beaten up police officer in Horlivka.

://twitter.com

231 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:05:43am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB, what’s going on in Detroit? MrBWS was just told to pack for 4-5 days and the line crews are headed up there this afternoon.

My folks live up there. Big power outage.

232 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 9:06:15am
233 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 14, 2014 9:06:23am

re: #122 kirkspencer

My reading of the Bundy tea leaves:

First, as of right now despite the appearance BLM got what it wanted. That the negotiator was the county sheriff doesn’t make him Bundy’s buddy.

BLM sold a bunch of the cattle they seized. Bundy is getting about half that money back. The rest is being applied against the delinquent fees. The remaining cattle are being returned to Bundy.

Bundy agreed to have his cattle off federal land within 30 days. (A reasonable time, I think). That’s where the tea leaves come in.

See, I don’t think he’s going to follow through on his agreement. I think he really believes he got one over on the federal government and all he has to do is whistle up his supporters and keep doing things his way.

And that’s when it’s going to turn interesting. That’s when various liens get served for what amounts to the interest and added collection expenses. That’s when the de facto probation for kidnapping and threatening federal officials in the performance of their duties expires. If’n I were a betting man I’d happily wager that BLM, NPS (which was also involved), and a few other agencies are drafting a contingency plan for this confrontation to try to avoid excessive bloodshed.

Nothing quite complicates your life like a federal criminal indictment.

234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 9:07:23am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

My folks live up there. Big power outage.

eeek! I just pulled up the DTE outage map. What a mess!

235 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:08:43am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

eeek! I just pulled up the DTE outage map. What a mess!

Yeah, and they are expecting a 35+ degree drop today with chances of snow.

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 9:12:14am

re: #235 Dr. Matt

Yeah, and they are expecting a 35+ degree drop today with chances of snow.

Just what Michigan needs is another fruit harvest frozen in the bud (so to speak). :p

237 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:13:41am

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Read: Executive Order 12548 — Grazing Fees

Ronald Reagan

The White House,

February 14, 1986.

238 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 14, 2014 9:17:50am

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

It’s raining in my part of the world and the temperature dropped.

Allergies are much better than Kentucky tho. Things don’t look so good for that area tho.

Locals in Nashville refer to weather like this - at this time of the year as a “dogwood frost.”

239 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 9:18:07am

re: #232 Lidane

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How can this be if you’re an intl fugitive? Even if it is from Canada. Disorderly conduct, my ass.

“Attorneys for Craig Cobb and Kynan Dutton, who planned to take over Leith, N.D. and turn it into an all-white enclave, argued that the men’s guns were legal and asked for the seven felony terrorizing charges against their clients to be dismissed, or reduced to disorderly conduct.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

OTOH, Dutton struck a deal to testify against Cobb, pled guilty to 7 misdemeanors (reduced from felonies) and got off easy.

“Quick said his client was not a white supremacist but was someone who happened to favor the National Socialist Movement. He is a father with no criminal history and a U.S. Marine who served in Iraq, Quick said.

“Dutton moved to North Dakota from Oregon partly because of the prospect of free rent offered by Cobb, and to support Cobb, Quick said.”

news.yahoo.com

240 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 9:19:48am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB, what’s going on in Detroit? MrBWS was just told to pack for 4-5 days and the line crews are headed up there this afternoon.

High winds, lots of outages.

241 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 9:19:59am
242 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 9:20:22am

I don’t believe they were cleaning for Passover. What a shitlame excuse.

243 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:21:25am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

High winds.

God is punishing the Great Lakes State for allowing gay marriages.

244 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 9:22:25am

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

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What a pile of bullshit being spewed by those children.

We will publish whenever and whatever we want?

Good luck with that.

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 9:22:36am

Next Greenwald expose:
WATER IS WET!!!
THE POPE IS CATHOLIC!!!!
BEARS CRAP IN THE WOODS!!!!

246 CuriousLurker  Apr 14, 2014 9:26:34am

LaManno doesn’t sound like a Jewish surname, so I guess that POS Miller didn’t accomplish what he set out to do:

CCVI released the following statement:

“The Children’s Center for the Visually Impaired and the Kansas City community has experienced a great loss. Terri LaManno, occupational therapist at CCVI for eight years, was a victim of the senseless shooting yesterday at Village Shalom. Our deepest sympathies go out to Terri’s husband, Jim, and their two children, Alissa and Gian. Terri was a gracious, generous, skilled, and deeply caring individual who made a great difference in the lives of so many children and their families with whom she worked at CCVI. She will forever be missed by all of us in the CCVI family.”

kshb.com

I was just looking at photos of the kid & his grandad who were killed yesterday, now this. WTF did this guy think he was to take other people’s lives, decent people who were living good lives and making positive contributions to society?

One woman lost both her son & father on the same day. Can you imagine? And the other lady—her two kids will grow up without a mother and her husband is now a widower who will have to…

Gah—why do there have to be people like this??

247 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 9:28:53am

Briefing on Jewish Center attacks to start shortly.

nbcnews.com

248 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 9:31:05am

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

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Thumb up you know where…

We launched in February…The decision to begin publishing at that point was based on a commitment to continue the work of reporting on, publishing, and explicating those documents. It was not based on an assessment that everything that one needs for the successful launch of a news web site-staff, editorial capacity, and answers to questions about the site’s broader focus, operational strategy, structure, and design-had been worked out.

Those things still have not been worked out…

Not. A. Clue.

249 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 14, 2014 9:31:11am

re: #210 Bulworth

Lidane posted:

Well played, Mister Brooks, well played.

Trivia: Albert Brooks’s surname is Einstein.

250 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:34:24am
251 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 9:35:50am

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

What a pile of bullshit being spewed by those children.

We will publish whenever and whatever we want?

Good luck with that.

Concept Car Journalism.

252 Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2014 9:36:41am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

Apparently my ability to detect satire is off today.

253 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 9:37:25am

So I checked out my local paper’s coverage of the event this morning and found … nothing.

Not until page 10, that is, where there was a tiny story box about some shooting in Kansas where some people may have died.

SF Chronicle had a small article buried in the middle of the first section that sorta, kinda implied that the shooter may have had some unpleasant views, but not much more that that.

Nothing at all like the Fort Hood coverage, even though the same number of people were killed.

254 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:38:53am

re: #252 Timothy Watson

That RWNJ actually cites 1 Timothy 2:12 (“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”) in his profile field.

Barry Wirth is a parody account.

Edit: For example….

255 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 9:43:59am

Laser-like focus on jobs:

256 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 9:44:56am
“This Award Is For Snowden”: Greenwald, Poitras Accept Polk Honor For Exposing NSA Spying
t.co

pic.twitter.com

— Democracy Now! (
@democracynow

Also Russia is Freedom and Liberty and no spying. /

257 Kilroy01  Apr 14, 2014 9:46:47am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

That thing weighs 109lbs
If he tries running with it his heart will explode

Lahti L-39 20mm Anti-Tank rifle.

Perfect for home defense.

258 Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2014 9:50:10am

re: #254 Dr. Matt

Yeah, noticed that after the fact. My satire-detection ability is off today.

259 Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2014 9:50:29am

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

What a slap in the face to the Wisconsin soldiers that died to preserve the Union. How embarrassing. The first chance they get to vote on something after the Bundy ranch fiasco, they vote to posture for secession.

260 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 9:51:41am

re: #257 Kilroy01

Lahti L-39 20mm Anti-Tank rifle.

Perfect for home defense.

I use to fire one…..in Call of Duty. It’s quite manageable.

261 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 9:51:44am

re: #246 CuriousLurker

LaManno doesn’t sound like a Jewish surname, so I guess that POS Miller didn’t accomplish what he set out to do:

I was just looking at photos of the kid & his grandad who were killed yesterday, now this. WTF did this guy think he was to take other people’s lives, decent people who were living good lives and making positive contributions to society?

One woman lost both her son & father on the same day. Can you imagine? And the other lady—her two kids will grow up without a mother and her husband is now a widower who will have to…

Gah—why do there have to be people like this??

It just sucks. Sad enough for that family to lose one family member. Don’t even know the words to describe what they must be feeling to lose two.

262 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 9:54:39am

Somewhat related, I was embarassed, chagrined, appalled, to find that one of the dollar bills in my possession this weekend had the infowars email address printed in black magic marker on the back. Managed to unload it just now, although of course now someone else will be stuck with it. Maybe should have destroyed it.

263 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 9:59:30am

News you will not see on Fox

CBO estimates lower deficits as health subsidies fall

U.S. budget deficits over the next decade will be $286 billion less than previously estimated, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday, attributing much of the decline to lower estimates of subsidy costs under President Barack Obama’s health insurance reform law.

264 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 10:01:31am

re: #226 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Someone might want to explain the difference between winning a battle and winning a war. Just sayin’.

So the deal in place is that half of his cattle goes to auction with the balance going towards his fine; he has 30 days to get off the federal lands and if he does, the remaining fines/charges are written off? That’s a win?

265 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 10:01:48am

re: #263 blueraven

News you will not see on Fox

CBO estimates lower deficits as health subsidies fall

More news that won’t be on Fox:

266 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 10:02:40am
So the deal in place is that half of his cattle goes to auction with the balance going towards his fine; he has 30 days to get off the federal lands and if he does, the remaining fines/charges are written off? That’s a win?

Yes because shutup.//

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 10:02:45am

re: #242 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t believe they were cleaning for Passover. What a shitlame excuse.

It would explain the order for a 55 gal drum of brain bleach.
//

268 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 10:02:57am

re: #264 Mike Lamb

So the deal in place is that half of his cattle goes to auction with the balance going towards his fine; he has 30 days to get off the federal lands and if he does, the remaining fines/charges are written off? That’s a win?

Because armed patriots scaring away teh feds! WOLVERINES!

////////////

269 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 10:03:21am

You won’t see any Republicans mentioning that during their inquisition of Obama’s new HSS nominee either.

270 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:12:36am

re: #262 Bulworth

Somewhat related, I was embarassed, chagrined, appalled, to find that one of the dollar bills in my possession this weekend had the infowars email address printed in black magic marker on the back. Managed to unload it just now, although of course now someone else will be stuck with it. Maybe should have destroyed it.

Strike through it with moar black mm. Don’t want to poison someone else’s mind. : )

271 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 14, 2014 10:14:35am

re: #262 Bulworth

Somewhat related, I was embarassed, chagrined, appalled, to find that one of the dollar bills in my possession this weekend had the infowars email address printed in black magic marker on the back. Managed to unload it just now, although of course now someone else will be stuck with it. Maybe should have destroyed it.

Take it to a bank and turn it in as “defaced”. They give you a different bill and it goes into the package that gets sent to the Fed for destruction. Win-Win.

272 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 10:15:36am

re: #264 Mike Lamb

So the deal in place is that half of his cattle goes to auction with the balance going towards his fine; he has 30 days to get off the federal lands and if he does, the remaining fines/charges are written off? That’s a win?

It’s a win because a bunch of yahoos waved their gunz at the feds and, instead of being promptly tear-gassed and thrown in prison as they should have been, they got a stand-down and a verbal deal out of it.

Make them all brown and give them turbans instead of cowboy hats, and we’d be hearing about the HUGE ISLAMO-TURRIST INVASION today.

273 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 10:15:55am

re: #264 Mike Lamb

So the deal in place is that half of his cattle goes to auction with the balance going towards his fine; he has 30 days to get off the federal lands and if he does, the remaining fines/charges are written off? That’s a win?

Not quite but close, and yes that’s a tactical win.

Background: the government already sold a large portion of the ~400 head it had rounded up. The total fines and such, excluding interest, are a bit under 200,000. Cattle at this time are selling for $1200 to $1500 per head after commission. (There are exceptions but that’s the current cattle association report, with articles about how it’s high and how long will it last. But I digress).

The number one objective is for Bundy to quit using federal land that he’s destroying. That’s going to take 30 days to determine, but Bundy agreed with the sheriff to get the cattle off the land.

The number two objective is to get the back due moneys. That was accomplished.

So we’ve got the secondary accomplished and (finally) an agreement to complete the primary.

The armed resistance crap? Expect it to have repercussions over the next year or so as people get their collections and licenses investigated by BATF and other organizations. It’s a federal crime to offer armed resistance to federal authorities performing their duties, and it’s another one to kidnap federal agents. (Confine federal authorities while they are in the performance of their duties.) But for both PR and operational reasons avoiding a bloodbath was important.

And the federal government has both time and resources for this to take it in low-violence nibbles.

So yes, I call it a win.

274 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:19:03am

Monster.

Police: Utah mom admitted to killing her 6 babies

bigstory.ap.org

PROVO, Utah (AP) — Authorities say a Utah woman accused of killing six babies that she gave birth to over 10 years told investigators that she either strangled or suffocated the children and then put them inside boxes in her garage.

“According to a probable cause statement released by police Monday, Megan Huntsman said that between 1996 and 2006, she gave birth to at least seven babies at her home and that all but one of them were born alive.

“Huntsman, 39, said she killed them immediately after they were born, and put their bodies inside the boxes. The statement said each baby was wrapped in either a towel or a shirt, and placed in a plastic bag.”

275 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 14, 2014 10:20:13am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

Monster.

Police: Utah mom admitted to killing her 6 babies

bigstory.ap.org

PROVO, Utah (AP) — Authorities say a Utah woman accused of killing six babies that she gave birth to over 10 years told investigators that she either strangled or suffocated the children and then put them inside boxes in her garage.

“According to a probable cause statement released by police Monday, Megan Huntsman said that between 1996 and 2006, she gave birth to at least seven babies at her home and that all but one of them were born alive.

“Huntsman, 39, said she killed them immediately after they were born, and put their bodies inside the boxes. The statement said each baby was wrapped in either a towel or a shirt, and placed in a plastic bag.”

How long until Ann Coulter claims that this is just like abortion?

276 Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2014 10:21:12am

A mechanically separated seceded Bundy burger with freedom fries. Extra ketchup.

277 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:24:10am

Yeah, let’s all use guns to settle arguments…

Tampa police: 4-year-old boy walking with mom shot in the arm

tampabay.com

278 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 10:25:32am

re: #273 kirkspencer

Not quite but close, and yes that’s a tactical win.

Background: the government already sold a large portion of the ~400 head it had rounded up. The total fines and such, excluding interest, are a bit under 200,000. Cattle at this time are selling for $1200 to $1500 per head after commission. (There are exceptions but that’s the current cattle association report, with articles about how it’s high and how long will it last. But I digress).

The number one objective is for Bundy to quit using federal land that he’s destroying. That’s going to take 30 days to determine, but Bundy agreed with the sheriff to get the cattle off the land.

The number two objective is to get the back due moneys. That was accomplished.

So we’ve got the secondary accomplished and (finally) an agreement to complete the primary.

The armed resistance crap? Expect it to have repercussions over the next year or so as people get their collections and licenses investigated by BATF and other organizations. It’s a federal crime to offer armed resistance to federal authorities performing their duties, and it’s another one to kidnap federal agents. (Confine federal authorities while they are in the performance of their duties.) But for both PR and operational reasons avoiding a bloodbath was important.

And the federal government has both time and resources for this to take it in low-violence nibbles.

So yes, I call it a win.

You misunderstand…there was a photo posted upthread in which Bundy supporters claim that Bundy can claim victory from this ordeal (the sign said something to the effect: “The West Has Now Been Won”). My point is that he was crushed. The gov’t waives a bunch of soft costs to make it look like they gave something up, but otherwise he got his ass completely kicked.

279 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:25:42am

re: #275 Iwouldprefernotto

How long until Ann Coulter claims that this is just like abortion?

I just find it hard to believe that the father and older daughters had no idea what this woman was doing. It’s not a huge house.

280 Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2014 10:26:29am

Classic Wisconsin comedy.

Youtube Video

281 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 10:28:47am

It may seem hard to believe, but cnn.com is still, STILL, leading with the missing plane. Nothing much else of importance going on in the world. /

282 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 14, 2014 10:30:51am

re: #281 Bulworth

It may seem hard to believe, but cnn.com is still, STILL, leading with the missing plane. Nothing much else of importance going on in the world. /

Imagine if CNN was around when the Titanic hit that iceberg.

283 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 10:31:00am
Take it to a bank and turn it in as “defaced”. They give you a different bill and it goes into the package that gets sent to the Fed for destruction. Win-Win.

Thanks, I’ll see if I can retrieve it.

284 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 10:32:03am

Remember not to stare directly at the moon during the eclipse tomorrow morning!!!

//

285 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 10:33:54am

re: #278 Mike Lamb

You misunderstand…there was a photo posted upthread in which Bundy supporters claim that Bundy can claim victory from this ordeal (the sign said something to the effect: “The West Has Now Been Won”). My point is that he was crushed. The gov’t waives a bunch of soft costs to make it look like they gave something up, but otherwise he got his ass completely kicked.

Ah, yes I did misunderstand. my apologies for that.

286 Varek Raith  Apr 14, 2014 10:39:26am

re: #284 b.d.

Remember not to stare directly at the moon during the eclipse tomorrow morning!!!

//

FASCIST!

287 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 10:42:50am

re: #286 Varek Raith

FASCIST!

Upcoming ‘Blood Moon’ Lunar Eclipses Spark Woes, Discussion About End Times Bible Prophecy

christiannews.net

Might as well max out those credit cards today…..

//

288 Varek Raith  Apr 14, 2014 10:44:59am

re: #287 b.d.

christiannews.net

Might as well max out those credit cards today…..

//

OOGA BOOGA!

289 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 10:45:35am

Hoax or Arnhem Choudary?
Trojan Horse: 25 schools probed over alleged takeover plot

Anonymous claims hard-line Muslims were trying to take over the running of some city schools were made in a letter sent to local authorities last year.

The 25 schools now being looked at include primaries, secondaries and academies.
The 200-plus reports to the council include emails and calls from staff, parents and governors.

The leader of Birmingham City Council, Sir Albert Bore, said he did not know the full range of issues raised and said it would be wrong to comment on them.

….
Concerns were raised last year when an undated and anonymous letter emerged outlining the alleged plot, dubbed “Operation Trojan Horse”.

Bradford contact

It claimed the plan aimed to make schools adhere to more Islamic principles and had already brought about leadership changes at four schools.

The letter was apparently penned by someone in Birmingham to a contact in Bradford.

He added that the city council had spoken to local authorities in both Manchester and Bradford.

“There are certainly issues in Bradford which have similarities with the issues being spoken about in Birmingham,” he said.

290 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 10:46:38am

re: #288 Varek Raith

OOGA BOOGA!

Lisle further stated that lunar eclipses regularly coincide with Jewish holidays, since the Jewish calendar is based on the lunar cycle. Being surprised by an eclipse’s occurrence on a Jewish holiday, says Lisle, “would be a bit like being surprised that Thanksgiving falls on a Thursday for the next ten years in a row.”

291 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 10:47:14am

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

He has a website…

Look at his Wiki page and the link is at the bottom. Pretty vile shit.

On his political life:

en.metapedia.org

“He joined the military in 1959, serving 20 years with two combat tours in the Vietnam War. He is married with five children.

“By the later years of his military career, he was denied promotion because of involvement in racialist politics. He was present as part of the Klan delegation at the Greensboro incident in November 1979 in Greensboro, North Carolina where four members of the Communist Workers’ Party were killed in a shoot-out with Klansmen and American National Socialists. “

Note the timing of the Greensboro incident—the same year he would have been “retired” from the military with his 20 yrs in. I’m wondering, also, if he was receiving a VA disability payment? With 5 kids to support over the years, he had to have a steady income of some sort and other than the mention of his driving a truck, I don’t see a pattern of regular employment.

I see a defense in the making.

I’m sure you’re familiar with the Greensboro Incident, or Massacre as it’s also known, but for those who aren’t here’s the Wiki, and here’s a video.

Youtube Video

Here’s one put out by the unofficial Truth and Reconciliation Commission:

Youtube Video

Two doctors and a nurse were killed, and two others. Yesterday a doctor was killed too.

Here’s what Frazier Glenn Miller wrote about it.

292 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 10:47:32am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

Monster.

Police: Utah mom admitted to killing her 6 babies

bigstory.ap.org

PROVO, Utah (AP) — Authorities say a Utah woman accused of killing six babies that she gave birth to over 10 years told investigators that she either strangled or suffocated the children and then put them inside boxes in her garage.

“According to a probable cause statement released by police Monday, Megan Huntsman said that between 1996 and 2006, she gave birth to at least seven babies at her home and that all but one of them were born alive.

“Huntsman, 39, said she killed them immediately after they were born, and put their bodies inside the boxes. The statement said each baby was wrapped in either a towel or a shirt, and placed in a plastic bag.”

Nobody noticed? No father asked where his kid was? No girlfriend noticed she was pregnant, then wasn’t? No hospital, midwife, or doctor?

WTH is going on here?

293 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 10:48:18am

re: #277 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, let’s all use guns to settle arguments…

RWNJs now believe the 2A is to be used to intimidate LEOs against laws they disagree with.

294 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:49:14am

Putin names criminal as Acting Head of Crimea.

eng.kremlin.ru

spiegel.de

295 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 10:50:26am

Lots of herpty derp on FB today about the Russian jet that buzzed a US warship. Cue the outraged cries of:

The world doesn’t respect or fear us anymore!

The US military is the weakest it’s ever been!

Reagan would’ve started WW3 over this but Obummer’s a coward!

Is there something in the water that makes conservatives act dumb like this? WTF.

296 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 10:51:12am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

RWNJs now believe the 2A is to be used to intimidate LEOs against laws they disagree with.

Laws are TYRANNY (except when they apply to women’s lady parts).

297 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:53:06am

Pretty sure this isn’t the last of this kind of thing we’ll hear about.

Heartbleed hacks hit Mumsnet and Canada’s tax agency

bbc.com

298 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 10:53:07am

F. Glenn Miller’s Declaration of War.

War Declaration

Parts of my Declaration of War. Copies of the 2-page declaration were mailed to White Patriot Party members, other White groups, and to the media, politicians, and national and state law enforcement officials, in April 1987.

“I warned those federal SOB’s. I told them repeatedly that if ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government) framed our leaders that we would wage war against them because war would then be our only hope for the survival of our Race.”

“All 5,000 White Patriots are now honor bound to pick up the sword and do battle.”

“I, Glenn Miller, this 6th day of April 1987, do herewith declare total war against ZOG.”

“I ask for no quarter. I will give none.”

“Together, we will cleanse the land of evil, corruption, and mongrels. And, we will build a glorious future and a nation in which all our people can scream proudly, “This land is our land. This people is our people. This God is our God, and these we will defend — One God, One Race, One nation.”

“And so, fellow Aryan warriors, strike now. Strike for your homeland. Strike for your Southern honor. Strike for the little children. Strike for your wives and loved ones. Strike for the millions of innocent White babies murdered by Jew-legalized abortion, who cry out from their graves for vengeance. Strike for the millions of our people raped or assaulted or murdered by mongrels. Strike for the millions of our Race butchered in Jew wars. Strike brothers and sisters for all the outrages committed against our people.”

“Let the blood of our enemies flood the streets, rivers, and fields of the nation in holy vengeance and justice.”

‘Those of you who refuse to fight will face the wrath of the God, who orders me.”

“Strike the SOB’s.”

“And, let the battle axes swing smoothly and the bullets whiz true.”

“If I fall, bury me in the Old Miller graveyard near Dillon, South Carolina in my Patriot uniform, with my arm raised in the White Power salute, and play the following songs over me, The Old Rugged Cross, Tomorrow Belongs to Me, Ride of the Valkyries, and Dixie.”

“I’ll see you in Valhalla.”

Glenn Miller
Leader, White Patriot Party

299 Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2014 10:53:56am

re: #295 Lidane

Lots of herpty derp on FB today about the Russian jet that buzzed a US warship. Cue the outraged cries of:

The world doesn’t respect or fear us anymore!

The US military is the weakest it’s ever been!

Reagan would’ve started WW3 over this but Obummer’s a coward!

Is there something in the water that makes conservatives act dumb like this? WTF.

BUSH WOULDN’T TOLERATE THIS!1!!

Oh, wait…

300 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 10:54:46am
301 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 10:55:57am
302 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 10:58:28am
303 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 14, 2014 10:58:34am

re: #237 Dr. Matt

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Ronald Reagan

The White House,

February 14, 1986.

Send in the zombie Reagan!

304 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 10:58:48am

re: #298 wrenchwench

Good grief. I. Can’t. Even.

He would have stood at Hitler’s right side, no doubt.

Sorry, Miller, but you and your ideology is not what this country is about. Learn that, or pay the price.

305 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 11:00:13am

Parts of my Declaration of War. Copies of the 2-page declaration were mailed to White Patriot Party members, other White groups, and to the media, politicians, and national and state law enforcement officials, in April 1987.

So what’s he been doing since 1987? Was he in jail?

306 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 11:00:35am

White House: President Obama may talk with Russian President Putin as early as today - @peterbakernyt
see original on twitter.com
Ukraine, Russia political crisis
6m

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney: ‘We are not actively considering lethal aid to Ukraine’ - @JaredRizzi

307 Snarknado!  Apr 14, 2014 11:01:33am

re: #253 Skip Intro

So I checked out my local paper’s coverage of the event this morning and found … nothing.

Not until page 10, that is, where there was a tiny story box about some shooting in Kansas where some people may have died.

SF Chronicle had a small article buried in the middle of the first section that sorta, kinda implied that the shooter may have had some unpleasant views, but not much more that that.

Nothing at all like the Fort Hood coverage, even though the same number of people were killed.

My copy of the SF Chronicle says “Suspect with Racist Past Arrested in 3 Gun Deaths,” and goes into detail in the body text about his racist past. Much more than an implication. (I was out of town for the Fort Hood shootings, so can’t compare them.)

308 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 11:02:27am

re: #298 wrenchwench

“If I fall, bury me in the Old Miller graveyard near Dillon, South Carolina in my Patriot uniform, with my arm raised in the White Power salute…”

So who’s supposed to pay for the custom casket, hmm?

309 makeitstop  Apr 14, 2014 11:03:16am

re: #308 Skip Intro

So who’s supposed to pay for the custom casket, hmm?

Eh, just break it off and point it in the general direction.
/

310 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 11:03:23am

re: #307 Snarknado!

My copy of the SF Chronicle says “Suspect with Racist Past Arrested in 3 Gun Deaths,” and goes into detail in the body text about his racist past. Much more than an implication. (I was out of town for the Fort Hood shootings, so can’t compare them.)

I get the Kindle edition, so perhaps they’re different.

311 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 11:03:27am

re: #308 Skip Intro

So who’s supposed to pay for the custom casket, hmm?

They could just skip the casket and help him become worm food all the quicker.
/

312 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 11:03:28am

The right’s armed resistance meme moved from fantasy to reality at the Bundy ranch.
I think the FBI made the call to pull back as soon as they had enough video and other evidence to eventually indict the nuts who made threats or pointed weapons. The next step will be a roundup, not of cattle, but of gloating RWNJs.

313 Killgore Trout  Apr 14, 2014 11:04:03am

re: #306 Justanotherhuman

White House: President Obama may talk with Russian President Putin as early as today - @peterbakernyt
see original on twitter.com
Ukraine, Russia political crisis
6m

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney: ‘We are not actively considering lethal aid to Ukraine’ - @JaredRizzi

I can’t wait to see the competing accounts of what was discussed in the call.

314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 14, 2014 11:07:22am

re: #304 Justanotherhuman

Good grief. I. Can’t. Even.

He would have stood at Hitler’s right side, no doubt.

When a guy starts killing people in the name of racial superiority, a Godwin is entirely appropriate…

315 makeitstop  Apr 14, 2014 11:08:38am

re: #312 Shiplord Kirel

The right’s armed resistance meme moved from fantasy to reality at the Bundy ranch.
I think the FBI made the call to pull back as soon as they had enough video and other evidence to eventually indict the nuts who made threats or pointed weapons. The next step will be a roundup, not of cattle, but of gloating RWNJs.

Yep. Those nutjobs were probably so high on the idea that they were taking on the big bad Gubmint, they didn’t realize that they’d all been ID’d.

Imagine their surprise when they’re arrested back in whatever shithole town they came from, after thinking they ‘won.’ I’d pay to see video of the arrests.

316 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 11:08:39am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

When a guy starts killing people in the name of racial superiority, a Godwin is entirely appropriate…

I don’t think it qualifies as a Godwin at that point.

317 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 11:09:43am

re: #298 wrenchwench

F. Glenn Miller’s Declaration of War.


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