NIH’s Dr. Anthony Fauci: Mandatory Quarantines Will Have “Unintended Consequences”

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Dr. Anthony Fauci

Today on CNN, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases had some words to say about the ill-advised and unscientific mandatory quarantines instituted by New York and New Jersey.

Fauci pointed out that the best way to prevent the spread of Ebola is to stop it at the source, in West Africa — and we need qualified doctors and nurses to do this. Fauci stressed that treating these health professionals as if they were criminals or lepers will be a strong disincentive for them to volunteer for these hazardous tasks.

When public officials let panic and fear-mongering determine policy, we’re in a very bad place — and discouraging health workers from trying to stop the spread of Ebola in Africa could lead to disaster, as the disease would then rage out of control and spread much more quickly.

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146 comments
1 BeachDem  Oct 26, 2014 11:46:14am

To counter the previous and future ugliness we can anticipate from Upchuck and company:

2 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 11:47:37am

Not surprising — she’s being stalked and doxed by this malevolent cretin.

3 PhillyPretzel  Oct 26, 2014 11:48:08am

Let us hope that the politicians take a lesson from doctors how they should react to infectious diseases instead of the fear mongering they have been practicing.

4 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 11:48:59am

I have been in a twitter war at #kacihickox with the insanity, hate and ignorance.

This is appalling.

Commentator at CNN just confirmed minutes ago that she is seeing ” a lot of anger” at nurses serving in west Africa and that “people thnk they just go there to look important and their (the nurses) egos are putting America at risk”

Holy shit.

Tribalism at its most rank. We are throwing our own health care people under the bus for doing their damned jobs…and we are doing it with glee.

5 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 11:50:14am
6 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 11:50:50am

Health care workers in Africa are deleting all social media now according to doc on CNN half and hour ago. They are afraid of ppl like Ginger Chuckles…and rightly so. He is a modern day Inquisitor.

7 gwangung  Oct 26, 2014 11:52:20am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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You now who else acted like Chucky? The African folks who killed the doctors and health workers and allowed the disease to spread further.

Chucky is acting like an ignorant savage.

8 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 26, 2014 11:53:04am

re: #7 gwangung

Right wing media are an evil cult.

9 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 11:53:11am
10 teleskiguy  Oct 26, 2014 11:53:16am

RWNJ included me in a copy pasta rage on Twitter this morning.

11 Varek Raith  Oct 26, 2014 11:53:23am

re: #6 Aunty Entity Dragon

Health care workers in Africa are deleting all social media now according to doc on CNN half and hour ago. They are afraid of ppl like Ginger Chuckles…and rightly so. He is a modern day Inquisitor.

Sigh…

12 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 11:57:18am

The conservative project to make America stupid enough and evil enough to accept its ideology is apparently doing well.

A mandatory quarantine that is not medically justified is bad enough, but confinement to an unheated tent is just obscene.

13 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 11:58:05am

re: #10 teleskiguy

Yep. These ppl think that anyone who helps another poor person in Africa is some sort of ego monster getting brownie points in liberal media. That is exactly the attitude this woman here is pushing.

Hard core Randian nihilism. No empathy. No care. No humanity. Only self interested ID.

14 Feline Overlord  Oct 26, 2014 11:58:37am

I’m convinced that they won’t be satisfied until blood runs in the streets.

15 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 11:59:06am

re: #12 EPR-radar

The conservative project to make America stupid enough and evil enough to accept its ideology is apparently doing well.

A mandatory quarantine that is not medically justified is bad enough, but confinement to an unheated tent is just obscene.

She is being mocked on twitter constantly from ppl who think she should shut up and go back to Africa if she doesn’t like what she gets. Sick sick sick.

16 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Oct 26, 2014 11:59:13am

re: #10 teleskiguy

Welp. She’s(it’s) a piece o’ work. Checked her timeline, apparently liberalism is a cancer.

17 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2014 11:59:48am

re: #12 EPR-radar

The conservative project to make America stupid enough and evil enough to accept its ideology is apparently doing well.

A mandatory quarantine that is not medically justified is bad enough, but confinement to an unheated tent is just obscene.

Ebola is just the recipe for tapping into those wellsprings of xenophobia, racism and ignorant rage that the TPGOP has been cultivating for so long.

18 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 12:00:23pm

These people are vile, total evil. Like an intellectual virus.

The only quarantine is ridicule, mockery, and the light of truth.

19 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:00:47pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ebola is just the recipe for tapping into those wellsprings of xenophobia, racism and ignorant rage that the TPGOP has been cultivating for so long.

As well as nationalism, self-importance, and unbridled panicky fear.

20 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 12:01:35pm

Too bad Kaci Hickox didn’t have an AK-47 and some survival seeds. Then she might have had some fans.

21 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 12:01:43pm

Looks like I’m going to be spending a couple of days wearing orange and black in a red state where everyone dresses in blue.

22 KerFuFFler  Oct 26, 2014 12:02:44pm

re: #7 gwangung

You now who else acted like Chucky? The African folks who killed the doctors and health workers and allowed the disease to spread further.
Chucky is acting like an ignorant savage.

It’s really best to avoid using terms like “ignorant savage” when referring (even indirectly) to people with traditional cultures in such places as Africa, South America, Sumatra and so on. I know you meant to make a valid point about Chucky but you inadvertently smeared other people.

It is true that people from some cultures have less access to modern scientific explanations. Chucky’s ignorance is unforgivable because it is willful.

23 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 12:02:53pm

OT: (Weird)

Darth Vader tries to vote in election in Kiev is turned away for refusing to remove his mask…

Youtube Video

24 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 12:03:01pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ebola is just the recipe for tapping into those wellsprings of xenophobia, racism and ignorant rage that the TPGOP has been cultivating for so long.

At this point, it seems reasonable to believe the conditions of the quarantine are intended to make the nurse sick, which will then serve as a ‘justification’ for the quarantine, even though said sickness would most likely not be ebola.

25 Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2014 12:03:06pm

re: #20 BigPapa

Too bad Kaci Hickox didn’t have an AK-47 and some survival seeds. Then she might have had some fans.

I was wondering if conservatives would support Ms. Hickox using “Second Amendment remedies” to defend herself against this criminal violation of her constitutional rights.

26 BeachDem  Oct 26, 2014 12:03:08pm

New day. New thread. Same sentiment.

Every time I think it is not possible for the rightwingers to sink any lower, they tie another anchor to their ugliness and sink another fathom. I am so sick of them.

27 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 12:03:40pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ebola is just the recipe for tapping into those wellsprings of xenophobia, racism and ignorant rage that the TPGOP has been cultivating for so long.

Also their revenge against those liberal hippies who go overseas doing that stuff Christ talked about wrt the poor, the sick and the homeless…which American right wing Christianity pathologizs as morally deserving of God’s punishment.

The anger the right wing has against these medical workers is simply breathtaking. I have never seen anything like this except in history texts about the Rennaisance and the Black Plague.

28 teleskiguy  Oct 26, 2014 12:03:55pm
29 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 12:04:23pm

Just turned on the TV…poor Bears.

30 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:04:26pm

It’s the 21st century and yet millions of Americans are acting like it’s the Middle Ages. We’ve seen calls for Ebola-positive people to be summarily executed, we’ve got people trying to help the infected treated like lepers and accused of acting out of ego rather than basic humanity, and we’re hearing pseudo-science from idiots who’ve never dealt with Ebola telling us everything from how it’s airborne to how you can get infected just touching a doorknob.

The Digital Age kicked over the rock that all these morons were hiding under for most of the last century.

31 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 12:05:14pm

re: #27 Aunty Entity Dragon

Also their revenge against those liberal hippies who go overseas doing that stuff Christ talked about wrt the poor, the sick and the homeless…which American right wing Christianity pathologizs as morally deserving of God’s punishment.

The anger the right wing has against these medical workers is simply breathtaking. I have never seen anything like this except in history texts about the Rennaisance and the Black Plague.

Next step is burning witches at the stake. (No sarcasm)

32 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 12:06:12pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

It’s the 21st century and yet millions of Americans are acting like it’s the Middle Ages. We’ve seen calls for Ebola-positive people to be summarily executed, we’ve got people trying to help the infected treated like lepers and accused of acting out of ego rather than basic humanity, and we’re hearing pseudo-science from idiots who’ve never dealt with Ebola telling us everything from how it’s airborne to how you can get infected just touching a doorknob.

The Digital Age kicked over the rock that all these morons were hiding under for most of the last century.

These ppl seem to think “Lord of the Flies” was inspirational insread of cautionary.

33 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 12:06:30pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

It’s the 21st century and yet millions of Americans are acting like it’s the Middle Ages. We’ve seen calls for Ebola-positive people to be summarily executed, we’ve got people trying to help the infected treated like lepers and accused of acting out of ego rather than basic humanity, and we’re hearing pseudo-science from idiots who’ve never dealt with Ebola telling us everything from how it’s airborne to how you can get infected just touching a doorknob.

The Digital Age kicked over the rock that all these morons were hiding under for most of the last century.

This kind of deliberate ignorance is reaching the level where one could regard it as a plausible way for civilization to end.

34 gwangung  Oct 26, 2014 12:06:33pm

re: #22 KerFuFFler

It’s really best to avoid using terms like “ignorant savage” when referring (even indirectly) to people with traditional cultures in such places as Africa, South America, Sumatra and so on. I know you meant to make a valid point about Chucky but you inadvertently smeared other people.

It is true that people from some cultures have less access to modern scientific explanations. Chucky’s ignorance is unforgivable because it is willful.

Point taken.

Willfully ignorant twit, then?

35 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:06:53pm

At this point, I will not be surprised if the next step is seeing calls for doctors and nurses who treat patients in West Africa and then return to the US to be charged with crimes for “endangering” fellow Americans. That’s the level of ignorance we’ve reached.

36 teleskiguy  Oct 26, 2014 12:06:59pm

Rupert Murdoch trying to find some middle ground with his Fox News audience.

37 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:08:08pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

This kind of deliberate ignorance is reaching the level where one could regard it as a plausible way for civilization to end.

It’s the sort of ignorance you’d think limited to Hollywood, the religious nuts who think the way to deal with a world-ended plague or pestilence is to start sacrificing “sinners” or engage in self-destructive forms of “worship.” But no, they’re very much real, and they’re the people who might otherwise sound reasonable on any given day.

38 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Oct 26, 2014 12:09:35pm

re: #32 Aunty Entity Dragon

Piggie’s glasses are busted, and they’ve smashed the conch.

39 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 12:11:50pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

It’s the sort of ignorance you’d think limited to Hollywood, the religious nuts who think the way to deal with a world-ended plague or pestilence is to start sacrificing “sinners” or engage in self-destructive forms of “worship.” But no, they’re very much real, and they’re the people who might otherwise sound reasonable on any given day.

I think a big part of the problem is that Fox News etc. keeps a significant part of the country in panic/pre-panic mode at all times, so it really doesn’t take much to set these willful idiots off.

If the governors of NJ and NY are going to use emergency powers in the interests of public health in their states, the best thing they could do is ban Fox News and RWNJ hate radio.

40 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 12:12:52pm

re: #38 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)

Piggie’s glasses are busted, and they’ve smashed the conch.

Next up is the rape and cannibalism, because it will piss off the liberals.

41 bratwurst  Oct 26, 2014 12:12:53pm

re: #21 darthstar

Looks like I’m going to be spending a couple of days wearing orange and black in a red state where everyone dresses in blue.

Missouri is fairly purple, and Jackson County (where KC is located) is solidly blue.

Enjoy the best bbq of your life and watching the Royals celebrate their first title in 29 years.

42 De Kolta Chair  Oct 26, 2014 12:15:33pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

For some reason, Murdoch’s people never read his more sensible tweets

43 calochortus  Oct 26, 2014 12:15:33pm

re: #4 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have been in a twitter war at #kacihickox with the insanity, hate and ignorance.

This is appalling.

Commentator at CNN just confirmed minutes ago that she is seeing ” a lot of anger” at nurses serving in west Africa and that “people thnk they just go there to look important and their (the nurses) egos are putting America at risk”

Holy shit.

Tribalism at its most rank. We are throwing our own health care people under the bus for doing their damned jobs…and we are doing it with glee.

I was pretty shocked at the comments at Free Republic about the selfishness of people who risk their lives to help others and then don’t want to be summarily imprisoned.

44 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 12:15:56pm

re: #41 bratwurst

Missouri is fairly purple, and Jackson County (where KC is located) is solidly blue.

Enjoy the best bbq of your life and watching the Royals celebrate their first title in 29 years.

We’ll see. There is a chance the Giants could win the series…but they need to win tonight first. Last night’s game was something. Pure determination won that game. Almost all singles and bunts. Only two doubles. Serious strategic base running.

45 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 12:16:13pm

GRRRRR

46 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 12:17:50pm
47 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 26, 2014 12:18:54pm

All very symptomatic if you will of a basic decline in the quality of governance. The guys we elect matter. We are selecting by the wrong criteria.

48 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 12:18:59pm

Fauci is no Jenny McCarthy!

Thank God.

But sadly McCarthy probably would be paid more attention right now.

Congratulations America. You have let your assholes show. And it is not pretty.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 12:19:50pm

Interesting the UpChuck tweeted that the two Dallas nurses were “hot”, but this one isn’t.
And she even has red hair…

50 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 12:21:39pm

BBL. My spouse was robbed at work last night at Walgreens. This weekend is A&T university homecoming and a lot of trash (unfortunately…and trash is a common human condition all over the place regardless of color etc) who never attended the school show up to party.

This guy comes in at 5:30 in the morning, orange hoody and dress slacks and robs her till at the entrance. Obvious he had just come from a club downtown in Greensboro and needed some more cash. No mask, easy ID on camera and driving a latemodel gold sedan.

Fucking genius.

51 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:22:24pm
52 Belafon  Oct 26, 2014 12:23:09pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

One of the things I learned via CERT here in Texas is that the County Judge is the person in charge of emergency response in each county of the state. That is never mentioned when the people run for office. It was probably confusing when the Dallas County Judge kept showing up on TV to explain why we should not panic over the two nurses catching Ebola.

53 De Kolta Chair  Oct 26, 2014 12:23:40pm

re: #29 darthstar

Just turned on the TV…poor Bears.

I know what you mean, I just tuned into the Jets game.

54 calochortus  Oct 26, 2014 12:24:00pm

re: #50 Aunty Entity Dragon

Sorry to hear that. Idiots everywhere.

55 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 12:24:04pm

re: #45 Vicious Piebola

Well, ya see, doctors are wrong. Just because they’re doctors doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about, because I have common sense.

Common sense dictates quarantines always work because they can’t fail because quarantines. Common sense, see?

56 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 12:24:11pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting the UpChuck tweeted that the two Dallas nurses were “hot”, but this one isn’t.
And she even has red hair…

From the pictures of her he posted at his “article” where she was always with another woman I’m pretty sure he thinks that she is a lesbian, and you know how Chuck feels about teh gays. :(

57 calochortus  Oct 26, 2014 12:25:39pm

re: #44 darthstar

We’ll see. There is a chance the Giants could win the series…but they need to win tonight first. Last night’s game was something. Pure determination won that game. Almost all singles and bunts. Only two doubles. Serious strategic base running.

I actually watched part of that. We had friends over for a long-planned dinner last night and when one of the guys showed up wearing a shirt with a tasteful Giants logo, I knew the TV would be on.

58 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:26:10pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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Yet I bet if there’s a major natural disaster here in the US, these geniuses would celebrate the same sort of selflessness and caring that these doctors and nurses are showing, but only because they’re helping fellow Americans and not black people on a continents Americans only think about when they wonder where to find more oil.

59 Dr Lizardo  Oct 26, 2014 12:26:36pm

re: #38 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)

Piggie’s glasses are busted, and they’ve smashed the conch.

“Kill the pig! Smash his head! Drink his blood!”

Yep. Welcome to the 21st Century. I never would’ve imagined that it would look more like the 14th Century.

Summon the meteors.

60 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:29:33pm
61 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:29:37pm

Hey wingnuts, I’ve a suggestion for you: Every American traveling home from overseas must submit to a three week quarantine period, returning soldiers included. After all, they might also be carrying a disease home that could hurt or kill fellow Americans. More Americans will likely be killed this year from a traveler bringing back influenza than will be killed by a doctor who worked amongst Ebola patients under stringent isolation protocols.

62 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 12:30:42pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

You’re right. All soldiers returning from Africa should be quarantined for three weeks.

63 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 12:30:43pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

I think it fair to assume that US RWNJs want ebola to rage unchecked in Africa to the point that it depopulates the continent (at least killing off all the black people). Again, no sarcasm.

64 Belafon  Oct 26, 2014 12:31:20pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

65 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:32:27pm
66 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:32:59pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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Then take her out of quarantine, you stupid fuck!

67 teleskiguy  Oct 26, 2014 12:33:17pm

Hey, a wildly successful RWNJ author has an opinion on evolution!

68 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:33:34pm
69 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:35:04pm

This really is the wingnut thinking process: Force a person to do something, then bitch that they’re unhappy with the money you’re “forced” to spend on them.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 12:35:51pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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As if UpChuck is an actual taxpayer…

71 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 26, 2014 12:36:16pm

How about we make these freaking pundits wait 21 days before they speak about ebola?

72 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 12:37:37pm

I doubt this is going anywhere, except maybe to further enrage the RWNJs…

White House Presses States to Reverse Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders

73 teleskiguy  Oct 26, 2014 12:39:07pm

This is out-of-control fear of a pestilence from “the Dark continent” that will turn every lily white Christian’s organs into liquid shit. Goes to show that most of these people have snakes for brains.

74 Belafon  Oct 26, 2014 12:39:42pm

re: #72 ausador

STATES RIGHTS! THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WON’T DO SOMETHING.

Actually, after writing that, it’s the border issue all over again. What we need is some businessman to come back with the disease.

75 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:40:25pm
76 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 12:42:01pm

I think the border militias should do the rounding up of suspected ebola helpers. They’ve already had the practice.

77 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Oct 26, 2014 12:42:21pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Ah yes, the Wisconsin teabagger in full form.

Edit: whoops. Not loggin’ into twitter.

78 teleskiguy  Oct 26, 2014 12:42:52pm

Maybe this is why we’re seeing such a reactionary response to Ebola from RWNJs. The institutions they hold dear are becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes on. So they’re lashing out and becoming more and more inhuman as time goes on.

79 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:42:57pm

The tweet from Wisco was actually sarcastic.

80 austin_blue  Oct 26, 2014 12:43:18pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Hey wingnuts, I’ve a suggestion for you: Every American traveling home from overseas must submit to a three week quarantine period, returning soldiers included. After all, they might also be carrying a disease home that could hurt or kill fellow Americans. More Americans will likely be killed this year from a traveler bringing back influenza than will be killed by a doctor who worked amongst Ebola patients under stringent isolation protocols.

I mentioned the returning soldier angle last night. We’ll see, won’t we?

81 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Oct 26, 2014 12:44:11pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Ok, couldn’t get a timeline. My mistake.. I’m not logging in to twitter. No way.

82 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 12:44:23pm

Welp I finally managed to install the new Xfinity Wireless Gateway so of course now I have to reconnect all the smartphones, laptops, and Blu-ray player.

Printed “WiFi Connection Key” cards for all the guest bedrooms for when the kids come with their laptops & tablets & shit

83 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 12:46:19pm

I think all politicians currently in office should be quarantined for a month, maybe more.

For everyone’s health.

Both physical and especially mental.

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 12:50:00pm

ummm…it hasn’t in America, UpChuck.
Do try to keep up…

85 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 26, 2014 12:50:03pm

re: #63 EPR-radar

I think it fair to assume that US RWNJs want ebola to rage unchecked in Africa to the point that it depopulates the continent (at least killing off all the black people). Again, no sarcasm.

Seems likely. A thorough search would probably uncover one or more RWNJs who advocate such a thing in plain language. I don’t have the stomach for such a search myself, frequent freep monitoring having exhausted my whole reserve of tolerance.

86 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 12:52:25pm
87 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 12:53:12pm

re: #77 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)

Ah yes, the Wisconsin teabagger in full form.

It is too bad it is not an endangered species.

The Wisconsin teabagger is far too common and seen all over the US continent now. They breed quickly and travel readily.

And to be crude, they are about as nasty to clean up after as Canadian Geese on an apartment complex lawn surrounding a retention pond.

/

88 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 12:55:18pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…it hasn’t in America, UpChuck.
Do try to keep up…

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Well, actually the comparisons with influenza make the level of stupidity on display all the more stark. Influenza spreads quicker, is easier to contract, and it can linger on surfaces longer. It also kills thousands of Americans annually, though since those people are usually children and the elderly, while the average sufferer simply spends a few days wishing they were dead, it doesn’t get as much flashy press.

By contrast, Ebola is difficult to contract, spreads slowly in civilized lands, and requires direct contact with bodily fluids to spread. So far, it has killed zero Americans this year and has actually shown itself to have a high survival rate if proper care is provided early in the infection.

89 sagehen  Oct 26, 2014 12:57:01pm

re: #82 Vicious Piebola

Welp I finally managed to install the new Xfinity Wireless Gateway so of course now I have to reconnect all the smartphones, laptops, and Blu-ray player.

Printed “WiFi Connection Key” cards for all the guest bedrooms for when the kids come with their laptops & tablets & shit

And if you’re mad at them they don’t get one? The 21st century version of “just ‘cause you’re 35 doesn’t mean I can’t still ground you!!”

90 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 12:57:52pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Well, actually the comparisons with influenza make the level of stupidity on display all the more stark. Influenza spreads quicker, is easier to contract, and it can linger on surfaces longer. It also kills thousands of Americans annually, though since those people are usually children and the elderly, while the average sufferer simply spends a few days wishing they were dead, it doesn’t get as much flashy press.

By contrast, Ebola is difficult to contract, spreads slowly in civilized lands, and requires direct contact with bodily fluids to spread. So far, it has killed zero Americans this year and has actually shown itself to have a high survival rate if proper care is provided early in the infection.

Your last paragraph was what I was referring to.

91 sagehen  Oct 26, 2014 12:59:28pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

By contrast, Ebola is difficult to contract, spreads slowly in civilized lands, and requires direct contact with bodily fluids to spread. So far, it has killed zero Americans this year and has actually shown itself to have a high survival rate if proper care is provided early in the infection.

Treatments should improve at rapid pace, since each survivor now has useful blood to make serum for treating the next infected…

92 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 1:06:43pm

And also, Ebola is not a “known risk”? Ebola and other filoviruses have been known to medical science since the 1970s. They’ve been studied in and out of the lab for decades, with each new outbreak adding to the understanding of how they work. It is not some newly discovered superplague that spawned out of the aether.

93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2014 1:08:21pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

And also, Ebola is not a “known risk”? Ebola and other filoviruses have been known to medical science since the 1970s.

Xenophobia, racism and blind ignorant rage at work here, folks.

94 calochortus  Oct 26, 2014 1:08:44pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

And also, Ebola is not a “known risk”? Ebola and other filoviruses have been known to medical science since the 1970s. They’ve been studied in and out of the lab for decades, with each new outbreak adding to the understanding of how they work. It is not some newly discovered superplague that spawned out of the aether.

Not known to ChuckC. Therefore, not known to science.

95 Belafon  Oct 26, 2014 1:09:55pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Xenophobia, racism and blind ignorant rage at work here, folks.

Which are also known risks, that spread rapidly, and yet we haven’t found a cure for. Maybe we could quarantine these people.

Damn it, Obama! Failing to build those FEMA camps is really hurting this country.

96 De Kolta Chair  Oct 26, 2014 1:12:10pm


From The New Yorker, October 24th

97 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 1:12:28pm

re: #89 sagehen

And if you’re made at them they don’t get one? The 21st century version of “just ‘cause you’re 35 doesn’t mean I can’t still ground you!!”

If I’m mad at them they have to buy their own plane tickets to Detroit!

98 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 1:13:54pm

re: #80 austin_blue

I mentioned the returning soldier angle last night. We’ll see, won’t we?

Um…I already saw a wingut on twitter demand that soldiers show their dedication by going into quarantine without complaint.

99 wrenchwitch  Oct 26, 2014 1:15:41pm
100 bill d  Oct 26, 2014 1:18:45pm

Kaci Hickox needs to request a transfer to the CDC in Atlanta or Bathesda so when she gets there she’ll be treated like a human and walk out the front door.

101 GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 26, 2014 1:21:07pm

I’m not sure the consequences are exactly “unintended”. :-/

102 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 1:22:35pm

re: #95 Belafon

Which are also known risks, that spread rapidly, and yet we haven’t found a cure for. Maybe we could quarantine these people.

Damn it, Obama! Failing to build those FEMA camps is really hurting this country.

Isn’t it odd that the people calling for quarantine for anyone that came within a thousand miles of Ebola are also the very same people that were worried about Obama and FEMA internment camps?

103 calochortus  Oct 26, 2014 1:23:48pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Just so it doesn’t affect them.

104 Varek Raith  Oct 26, 2014 1:24:01pm
Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

- EBOLA! or something.

105 calochortus  Oct 26, 2014 1:29:28pm

Time to do some baking.
BBL

106 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 1:30:03pm

re: #98 Aunty Entity Dragon

Um…I already saw a wingut on twitter demand that soldiers show their dedication by going into quarantine without complaint.

Be a good trick, because ideally they should be kept apart from each other and not just the public in case one develops symptoms and restarts the quarantine clock on the rest.

Been wondering what Christie’s people plan to do when someone else flies in, put up another tent? That would require an insane amount of staffing pretty quickly if it kept progressing. Exposing even more medical workers, and do they all have to be quarantined too?

107 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2014 1:32:33pm

re: #106 ausador

Be a good trick, because ideally they should be kept apart from each other and not just the public in case one develops symptoms and restarts the quarantine clock on the rest.

Been wondering what Christie’s people plan to do when someone else flies in, put up another tent? That would require an insane amount of staffing pretty quickly if it kept progressing. Exposing even more medical workers, and do they have to be quarantined too?

Quarantine the staffers!!

108 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 1:33:56pm

WHO WILL QUARANTINE THE QUARANTINERS?

109 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 1:35:24pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Isn’t it odd that the people calling for quarantine for anyone that came within a thousand miles of Ebola are also the very same people that were worried about Obama and FEMA internment camps?

re: #103 calochortus

Just so it doesn’t affect them.

Now that I think about my own comment and your reply, I am wondering about something.

Is there a recognized fear where the fearful person is scared of a situation because they know their own thinking if they were in the same situation but the one in the control/power position?

It is sort of hard to explain. It would be the wingnut that is so concerned about Obama wanting to put white folk in a camp because they know if they were in power they sure would be putting people of color in camps. In a way, your fear is based on knowing you would be one to be feared.

110 Belafon  Oct 26, 2014 1:36:59pm

re: #108 BigPapa

On a slightly more serious note, the two nurses from here in Dallas ought to start charging some serious bucks to go work with other potential Ebola patients. People like Chuck ought to love it: It’s a business opportunity, shows entrepreneurial spirit.

I suspect, suddenly, wingers would be all against them making money.

111 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 1:41:48pm

It’s my granddaughter’s 1st Birthday today.
She had a smush cake but she is so dainty she just kept licking the icing. I guess she didn’t want to mess up her outfit.

112 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 1:43:14pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

Now that I think about my own comment and your reply, I am wondering about something.

Is there a recognized fear where the fearful person is scared of a situation because they know their own thinking if they were in the same situation but the one in the control/power position?

It is sort of hard to explain. It would be the wingnut that is so concerned about Obama wanting to put white folk in a camp because they know if they were in power they sure would be putting people of color in camps. In a way, your fear is based on knowing you would be one to be feared.

Your talking about psychological projection:

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others.

113 Belafon  Oct 26, 2014 1:44:11pm

re: #111 Vicious Piebola

We did that for our three boys when they were each one. The middle one cried when we put the cake in front of him.

114 PhillyPretzel  Oct 26, 2014 1:44:12pm

re: #111 Vicious Piebola

She looks so adorable.

115 bill d  Oct 26, 2014 1:44:30pm

re: #111 Vicious Piebola

It’s my granddaughter’s 1st Birthday today.
She had a smush cake but she is so dainty she just kept licking the icing. I guess she didn’t want to mess up her outfit.
[Embedded image]

Awesome! Happy Grandbaby birthday!

116 Dr. Matt  Oct 26, 2014 1:44:53pm

Husky Doesn’t Like Fake Rat

Youtube Video

117 Stanley Seabola  Oct 26, 2014 1:45:04pm

Yeah yeah a broad brush hurts.

118 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 26, 2014 1:46:01pm

Bees on the field in Pittsburgh!

Oh wait, those are those awful throw-back uniforms.

119 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 1:49:34pm

re: #112 ausador

Is there an officially recognized version of projection where the projectionist does all that is humanly possible to amplify their own negative impulses, then projects the resulting mess onto others?

If not, this syndrome could be named after the US right.

120 bill d  Oct 26, 2014 1:52:07pm

re: #118 Feline Fearless Leader

Bees on the field in Pittsburgh!

Oh wait, those are those awful throw-back uniforms.

Those are laughably bad.

121 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 1:52:32pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

Is there an officially recognized version of projection where the projectionist does all that is humanly possible to amplify their own negative impulses, then projects the resulting mess onto others?

If not, this syndrome could be named after the US right.

We could use Bryan Fischer’s picture next to the new encyclopedia entry!

/(half)

122 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 1:54:41pm

re: #121 ausador

Why on Earth mark that as half-sarcasm? Its the absolute, literal truth, and if anything is a bit understated.

123 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 1:55:29pm

re: #112 ausador

Your talking about psychological projection:

Thanks. I’ll check that all out.

124 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 1:57:45pm

re: #100 bill d

Kaci Hickox needs to request a transfer to the CDC in Atlanta or Bathesda so when she gets there she’ll be treated like a human and walk out the front door.

Her lawyer is filing a habeous petition tomorrow from what I understand. I would still hope the fed take this over now and remove her to another facility and out of Christie’s influence.

125 wrenchwitch  Oct 26, 2014 1:58:18pm

re: #118 Feline Fearless Leader

Bees on the field in Pittsburgh!

Oh wait, those are those awful throw-back uniforms.

BEES from the BEE BEE CEE:

126 Stanley Seabola  Oct 26, 2014 2:01:55pm

I did 4 loads of laundry today.

p h e w

127 Varek Raith  Oct 26, 2014 2:02:53pm

re: #126 Stanley Seabola

I did 4 loads of laundry today.

p h e w

I did none. :P

128 PhillyPretzel  Oct 26, 2014 2:02:56pm

re: #126 Stanley Seabola

Mine is in the dryer.

129 Stanley Seabola  Oct 26, 2014 2:04:14pm

re: #127 Varek Raith

I did none. :P

I slacked so bad all week. You may continue to slack.

130 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 26, 2014 2:05:40pm

Hmmph. Paypal has decided out of the blue that something is wrong with my account. Initial email was something about odd activity with the account and that therefore they were forcing a password change.

Once I log in and change the password there’s no charges on the account since mid-September, and nothing challenged or otherwise any questionable charge to look at. But, nonetheless, Paypal is demanding further information from me in order to properly identify myself. Photo ID, etc. etc. or a landline call.

131 b_sharp  Oct 26, 2014 2:06:16pm

re: #126 Stanley Seabola

I did 4 loads of laundry today.

p h e w

How did my socks turn out?

132 b_sharp  Oct 26, 2014 2:06:55pm

re: #130 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmmph. Paypal has decided out of the blue that something is wrong with my account. Initial email was something about odd activity with the account and that therefore they were forcing a password change.

Once I log in and change the password there’s no charges on the account since mid-September, and nothing challenged or otherwise any questionable charge to look at. But, nonetheless, Paypal is demanding further information from me in order to properly identify myself. Photo ID, etc. etc. or a landline call.

Is it really PayPal?

133 Stanley Seabola  Oct 26, 2014 2:07:19pm

re: #131 Dead Tired

How did my socks turn out?

They’re behind the dryer & I don’t give a shit.

134 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 2:07:33pm

Of course, finally the truth comes out!!! ///

135 PhillyPretzel  Oct 26, 2014 2:08:06pm

re: #130 Feline Fearless Leader

Did you use the link in the e-mail? Or open up a new screen? I had a fake PayPal e-mail a few years ago and that is how it started.

136 ObserverArt  Oct 26, 2014 2:08:11pm

re: #130 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmmph. Paypal has decided out of the blue that something is wrong with my account. Initial email was something about odd activity with the account and that therefore they were forcing a password change.

Once I log in and change the password there’s no charges on the account since mid-September, and nothing challenged or otherwise any questionable charge to look at. But, nonetheless, Paypal is demanding further information from me in order to properly identify myself. Photo ID, etc. etc. or a landline call.

Might be due to an upgrade in security on their end. Sounds like they want a reaffirmation you is you and you have more records to prove it.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 26, 2014 2:09:20pm

re: #132 Dead Tired

Is it really PayPal?

Yes, that was the first thing I checked in order to make sure it wasn’t a phishing expedition.

My suspicion is that Paypal triggered this on purpose in order to collect full profile information, or has started some sort of policy to require accounts to have more information associated with them than I have currently provided.

138 b_sharp  Oct 26, 2014 2:09:32pm

re: #133 Stanley Seabola

They’re behind the dryer & I don’t give a shit.

Fuck.

Time to get them to breed new socks for me.

139 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 2:13:01pm

re: #138 Dead Tired

Fuck.

Time to get them to breed new socks for me.

That’s illegal. You have to go to the store now and buy their genetically-modified socks.

Screw Big Argyll.

140 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 26, 2014 2:13:14pm

The Dive Club I’m with did a Zombie Survival Day Dive yesterday. Here’s a pic of all the participants, many having already changed…

Zombie Divers….

It was a lot of fun, I was part of the Crew on it, “Doctor Romaro”, and while we had some problems, everything went off well, and the participants all had a great time. And I was right… You can’t sink a 2ft x 2ft x 1ft block of styrofoam with a couple of cinderblocks. :)

I figure it was good practice for when the ebola mutates into Zombie-Airborne version.

RBS

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 2:17:19pm

BABBIES!

142 Jay C  Oct 26, 2014 3:34:32pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

One of the few recent polling trends I’ve seen that actually looks like a social positive….!

143 Jay C  Oct 26, 2014 3:38:23pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

Is there an officially recognized version of projection where the projectionist does all that is humanly possible to amplify their own negative impulses, then projects the resulting mess onto others?

“The Republican Party”??

144 plf1953  Oct 26, 2014 3:52:51pm

re: #46 Vicious Piebola

Good Sunday to all you fellow Lizards.

Have been lurking awhile but had to chime in with VB … the comments over there are amazing in their hatefulness and derpiness …

Dr. Fauci is a career professional at NIH. He is a renowned specialist in immunology and disease prevention, particularly as it relates to HIV.

He became Director of NIAID in 1984, during the reign of St. Ronnie.

He is one of only 21 recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the field of medicine since the PMF was create in 1963 (as compiled by Wikipedia). The PMF is an award bestowed by the President of the United States and is the highest civilian award of the United States. Dr. Fauci was awarded this honor by none other than George W. Bush in 2008.

So, Dr. Fauci, who is not a political appointee as is the Director of NIH, is as much (more so?) Reagan’s and Bush’s “Top Doctor” as he is Obama’s.

Yet still the DMOTI and his fellow bottom dwellers at @gatewaypundit stoop to the level of defamation and character assassination of this dedicated public health professional.

These people truly are brain damaged.

145 De Kolta Chair  Oct 26, 2014 4:45:20pm


A blast from the past from the “Rahm Emanuel will hand the US over to Israel” days. Or was that 2008?

146 Three Chord Monty  Oct 27, 2014 10:52:54am

re: #144 plf1953

Having nothing to do with Ebola, right-wingers, or anything else, Fauci is my enemy. As someone diagnosed with “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,” he is as responsible as anyone else on the planet for allowing the government to do what it has done to sufferers of this illness for decades, allowing Stephen Straus to essentially define a physical illness, previously known as Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, as a disorder virtually impossible to consider as anything but a psychiatric illness. Personally I couldn’t care less, because the stigma should be meaningless to anyone who simply wants to get better. Yet all you have to do is deny that an illness is psychiatric, in order to be branded as being in denial, constituting further proof that the prevailing hypothesis is correct. Members of Congress who tried to intervene on behalf of their constituents were rebuffed specifically by Dr. Fauci. Difficult as it is to be as selfish as to care about this man beyond anything but the current and very serious task at hand, I cannot participate in mockery of right-wing criticism of him, even if it’s as predictably stupid as everything else they’re wrong about, even if it’s for the wrong reasons. He’s gone out of his way to ensure that anyone that ends up with this disease doesn’t get taken remotely seriously by medical science, and this may sound like an exaggeration, but this is no less than a crime against humanity. Sorry.


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