The Confederate Flag Is Coming Down, but South Carolina Doesn’t Deserve Congratulations

It was a deliberate insult to the civil rights movement
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After a long and at times rancorous debate in the South Carolina House of Representatives, lawmakers voted 94-20 to remove the Confederate flag from the statehouse grounds.

South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley pledged to sign legislation on Thursday permanently removing the Confederate battle flag from the state capitol grounds, following an emotional debate spurred by the massacre of nine black churchgoers last month.

Haley said she would sign the bill into law at 4 p.m. EDT, and Charleston’s Post and Courier newspaper said the flag would be removed at 10 a.m. on Friday. It will be taken to the “relic room” of a military museum in Columbia, the state capital.

I’m not going to congratulate South Carolina (but I will congratulate the individual lawmakers who fought to get this bill passed, especially Jenny Horne). The flag was raised above the capitol in 1961 to show South Carolina’s resistance to the civil rights movement; that’s its “heritage.” It originally existed as a symbol of treason, slavery and war against the United States, and it was revived as a thumb in the eye to those fighting for civil rights.

It’s good to see it finally coming down, but that slaveholders’ flag should never have been there in the first place. South Carolina doesn’t deserve credit for reversing a shameful act that never should have taken place at all.

Also see
A Brief History of the Confederate Flag in South Carolina - The Atlantic

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279 comments
1 Shypixel  Jul 9, 2015 10:15:31am

And now we’ll never stop hearing from our one Uncle about how it was Republicans that took the flag down…

2 blueraven  Jul 9, 2015 10:15:36am

South Carolina as a whole may not deserve any applause, but I think there are many individuals who have been fighting for this for years, or maybe even just recently who deserve a lot of credit.

Even many republicans like Paul Thurmond and Jenny Horne. I think they made a real difference.

3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:16:34am
4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:17:25am
5 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 10:17:29am

#tcot is a perfect real life example of the scene in Orwell’s Animal Farm
FOUR LEGS GOOD!
TWO LEGS BAD!
(could not shut them up)

HURR HURR GOP IS GOOD!!!!
DEMS IS BAD1!!!1!!!

6 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 10:17:53am

South Carolina shouldn’t be cheered for doing something that should have been done decades ago (by never flying the damned flag in the first place).

The entire reason South Carolina was flying the flag of insurrection and secessionists in the first place was because they disagreed with the civil rights movement and according equal rights and protections to minorities. That’s why the legislature originally ran the flag up above the state capitol.

Now, they’re fixing that. Decades later.

That’s the history that the South Carolinians want people to ignore, as much or more than the history of the flag itself - that it was a symbol of hate, racism, and white supremacy.

7 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 10:18:07am

re: #2 blueraven

You’re right, and I just added a note to this effect.

8 KingKenrod  Jul 9, 2015 10:18:11am

And it’s not like SC had a change of heart - taking the flag down is just damage control.

9 Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2015 10:18:31am

Was kind of surprised that only 20 Republicans voted against taking down the treason flag. I guess they know when they’re beat.

10 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 10:20:11am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kinda like “In God we Trust” showing up on governmental shit in the 50’s. And people now a days acting like it had been everywhere since 1776.

11 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2015 10:21:29am

re: #1 Shypixel

And now we’ll never stop hearing from our one Uncle about how it was Republicans that took the flag down…

I guarentee that some talking butt-head will be on FOX later tonight telling us that the Republican party cares about Black voters, and the Democratic party is just about giving them “free stuff” and keeping them on the plantation.

The Republican party does not care about Black voters. They are not reaching out to Black voters with this act. If the GOP really cared about Black voters and Black people, the Voting Rights Act would have been re-worked and passed again two days after the Supreme Court Case.

12 No Depression  Jul 9, 2015 10:21:42am

re: #9 Patricia Kayden

I wonder if the Confederate Battle Flag’s potential impact on business and tourism had anything to do with that.

13 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 10:21:53am

re: #10 Eventual Carrion

Kinda like “In God we Trust” showing up on governmental shit in the 50’s. And people now a days acting like it had been everywhere since 1776.

Had a moron the other day who insisted that this meant we’re a Christian nation.

14 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 10:22:33am

re: #8 KingKenrod

And it’s not like SC had a change of heart - taking the flag down is just damage control.

Exactly, what seemed to set most people off wasn’t simply that the flag was still flying, but that it was on a fixed poll with a damned padlock on it, and could only be taken down by a 2/3 vote of the legislature. That was the “compromise,” something that should be brought up in response to any asshole who tries to credit SC Republicans with bringing down the flag.

15 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 10:23:05am

Glenn Greenwald has a broken clock moment==>

16 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 10:25:01am

re: #10 Eventual Carrion

Kinda like “In God we Trust” showing up on governmental shit in the 50’s. And people now a days acting like it had been everywhere since 1776.

It’s no coincidence that motto started appearing when it did. Between the fear of USSR armor pouring into Europe and nuclear armed USSR bombers appearing in waves overhead the US was willing to do anything to get an edge.

17 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 10:25:30am

Good to see that rag is coming down. It should have long, long ago.

OT, but for you Lizards following the machinations of the ongoing Greek crisis, well, they’re submitting a plan to their creditors. And apparently, it’s more draconian that the plan rejected by Greek voters last Sunday.

theguardian.com

The irony has not been lost on anyone - even though governing MPs are making light of it - that after the Greeks’ resounding rejection of further biting austerity at the weekend, prime minister Alexis Tsipras has with lightning speed now agreed to put his name to the most punitive austerity package any government has been asked to implement during the five years of economic crisis in Greece.

We don’t yet know the details of Greece’s plan, but one report says there will be 13bn Euro of fresh austerity. A heavy blow for the economy after years of recession, and the current banking shutdown.

Something, something, something……Pyrrhic victory.

There’s gonna be a lot of very pissed-off “No” voters in Athens, I’mma thinking.

18 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 10:26:53am
19 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:27:19am

Texas conservatives still fighting back with textbook manipulations:

20 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2015 10:27:27am

9 people are murdered by a racist loser and the only thing lawmakers could do is bring down the Confederate Rag. Another victory for the NRA and firearm industry.

21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:27:40am
The flag was raised above the capitol in 1961 to show South Carolina’s resistance to the civil rights movement; that’s its “heritage.” It originally existed as a symbol of treason, slavery and war against the United States, and it was revived as a thumb in the eye to those fighting for civil rights.

This

22 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 10:28:31am

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23 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 10:28:52am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Good to see that rag is coming down. It should have long, long ago.

OT, but for you Lizards following the machinations of the ongoing Greek crisis, well, they’re submitting a plan to their creditors. And apparently, it’s more draconian that the plan rejected by Greek voters last Sunday.

theguardian.com

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Something, something, something……Pyrrhic victory.

There’s gonna be a lot of very pissed-off “No” voters in Athens, I’mma thinking.

“I reject your cutting off my feet and instead offer for you to cut off my legs instead.”

Brilliant! /////

24 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 10:29:11am

re: #19 jaunte

Texas conservatives still fighting back with textbook manipulations:

Texas wants its kids to go to college thinking slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War. What is it afraid of? www.

It is not incorrect to maintain that the Civil War was not entirely about slavery.

But they seem to want to turn that on its head and teach that it was entirely not about slavery.

25 withak  Jul 9, 2015 10:29:28am

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Did you forget a link?

26 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:30:21am

re: #1 Shypixel

And now we’ll never stop hearing from our one Uncle about how it was Republicans that took the flag down…

“Democrat Party put flag up and tried to keep up, padlocked, required 2/3 vote to take down, but courageous GOP took it down.”

/

27 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 10:30:54am

re: #25 withak

Did you forget a link?

fixed.

28 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 10:31:17am

re: #13 Kragar

Had a moron the other day who insisted that this meant we’re a Christian nation.

I point to the Treaty of Tripoli. I will believe what people were thinking at that time by the words of the people that were, you know, around at that time. Not some shit for brains 150 years later that says they know what was happening at that time.

29 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 10:31:28am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Ah, the old Procrustean Bed trick. Didn’t see that one coming.

30 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:31:50am

“Treacher” still trying the old ‘Democrats did it’ wheeze.

31 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 10:32:34am

re: #16 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s no coincidence that motto started appearing when it did. Between the fear of USSR armor pouring into Europe and nuclear armed USSR bombers appearing in waves overhead the US was willing to do anything to get an edge.

Them godless commies.

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:32:37am
33 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 10:32:44am

re: #16 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Air Force’s nuclear command was full of fundie nonsense for decades:

AF suspends ‘Jesus loves nukes’ training

The training slides include quotations from the Bible, portraits of Christian saints, prophets, and famous American generals known for their faith, including George Washington, Union Army Gen. Joshua Chamberlain, and Confederate Gen. Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson. Every new missile officer had to take the training at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, regardless of their own religious beliefs or lack of them, according to [Air Education and Training Command spokesman Dave] Smith.

AETC halted the ethics training last week after an article on the training was posted at Truthout​.org. Former Air Force Capt. Damon Bosetti — described as a missile officer who took the training in 2006 — said he and others referred to the religious section of the ethics training as the “Jesus loves nukes speech.”

The website also published the training slides [pdf], which it acquired from the watchdog group Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an organization that has filed numerous lawsuits against the Air Force for allegedly infringing on the rights of religious minorities and non-believers and promoting evangelical Christian beliefs.

34 majii  Jul 9, 2015 10:32:47am

I read on PoliticusUSA yesterday that there is a movement afoot in SC to get the matter on the ballot in 2016. The guy who wrote the article is very active in the Democratic Party in SC. Allegedly, the plan is to let the voters decide whether they want to put the Confederate flag back over the SC statehouse. Since this is SC, I imagine those behind this effort won’t have much of a problem getting the required number of signatures of registered voters to place it on the November 2016 ballot. Also, I think this is a good GOTV tactic because many more GOP/TPers will turn out to vote to restore the Confederate flag to its “rightful” place than would normally. According to Dennis S., the guy who wrote the article, many republicans who voted to remove the Confederate flag last night, know about this effort, and secretly support it.

35 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 10:34:05am

re: #23 Targetpractice

“I reject your cutting off my feet and instead offer for you to cut off my legs instead.”

Brilliant! /////

Pretty much.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:36:24am

Meanwhile in DC:

37 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 10:37:44am

A bit more on Greece here:

International observers have been telling us today that the package is likely to be so punitive that humanitarian aid cannot be ruled out.

EU president Jean Claude Juncker had mentioned humanitarian aid as part of the “detailed Grexit scenario” plans creditors had drawn up. EU diplomats based in Athens said some form of assistance is likely to be given even if am agreement between Greece its creditors is reached.

Syriza MPs have been telling our Helena Smith that the big no received in the referendum on Sunday was a “confidence vote” in Tsipras who like no other prime minister before now has the popular support to enforce such punitive measures.

That is not how the far far left (or indeed the far left in Syriza) see things. Strikes, rallies and protests should be expected in weeks ahead.

That bolded part is some damned fine spin, I must say. If we could harness that many RPM’s and convert it to electricity, we could power the Eastern Seaboard for a decade, at least.

38 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 10:37:55am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fire them. On termination form for reason “Refusal to do required job functions”. Should hold up in any court proceeding the fired might want to file. If Ky is a ‘right to work’ state they are pretty much without recourse anyway.

39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 10:38:37am

re: #38 Eventual Carrion

Fire them. On termination form for reason “Refusal to do required job functions”. Should hold up in any court proceeding the fired might want to file. If Ky is a ‘right to work’ state they are pretty much without recourse anyway.

I sure there is a church somehwere that would hire them on as a clerk…

40 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:39:08am

re: #38 Eventual Carrion

Fire them. On termination form for reason “Refusal to do required job functions”. Should hold up in any court proceeding the fired might want to file. If Ky is a ‘right to work’ state they are pretty much without recourse anyway.

Was this the governor’s response? Can’t see the Twitters because work….

41 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 10:39:22am

re: #33 Kragar

The Air Force’s nuclear command was full of fundie nonsense for decades:

AF suspends ‘Jesus loves nukes’ training

I had heard/read that George Washington had a reserved seat at a church local to him and that he hardly ever attended. Don’t know how true that is.

42 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 10:39:38am

It took Goodhair a few days, but Rick Perry has finally come up with a response for Donald Trump:

43 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:40:03am

Nathan Bedford Forrest statue coming down, too.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:40:23am

re: #38 Eventual Carrion

Fire them. On termination form for reason “Refusal to do required job functions”. Should hold up in any court proceeding the fired might want to file. If Ky is a ‘right to work’ state they are pretty much without recourse anyway.

We’re not a right to work state yet, but it’s been introduced.

45 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:41:39am

re: #41 Eventual Carrion

I had heard/read that George Washington had a reserved seat at a church local to him and that he hardly ever attended. Don’t know how true that is.

He was a Vestry member in the Anglican/Episcopal Church, may have even been a Warden, i.e. head layperson in the church. He required church attendance in the Revolutionary War.

46 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 9, 2015 10:41:58am

re: #43 jaunte

The mass murderer and war criminal of Ft Pillow finally being recognized as a mass murderer and war criminal?

47 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 10:42:01am

re: #40 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Was this the governor’s response? Can’t see the Twitters because work….

Gov pretty much saying that those that are refusing will be dealt with.

48 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 10:42:49am

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

A bit more on Greece here:

That bolded part is some damned fine spin, I must say. If we could harness that many RPM’s and convert it to electricity, we could power the Eastern Seaboard for a decade, at least.

So he threw it to the angry mob so as to avoid taking responsibility for the terms being rejected, and is now using that rejection to argue that it was instead a vote of confidence in him…to negotiate even worse terms.

Too bad he’s Greek, else he’d be a shoe-in for the Republican nomination.

49 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:43:18am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re not a right to work state yet, but it’s been introduced.

No RTW in KY? No Freedom!!! Not RTW is worse than slavery, holocaust, Obamacare, etc.

///

50 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 10:44:09am

re: #43 jaunte

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Nathan Bedford Forrest statue coming down, too.

I had some FB friends posting herpty derp about that this morning. ZOMG GRAVE DESECRATION BY PC LIBRULS! THEY’RE ERASING AMERICAN HISTORY!

You know, because Tennessee is a bastion of PC liberalism.

51 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:44:24am

re: #46 Aunty Entity Dragon

Pushback from southern caveman:

Sons of the Confederate Veterans spokesperson, Lee Millar, said last month’s shooting proved why the statue should stay where it is at Health Science Park.

“I think it’s disgusting that people use the shooting in Charleston and use those victims to forward their own agenda and join this anti Confederate hysteria that’s going on,” said Millar.
Sons of the Confederate Veterans spokesperson, Lee Millar, said last month’s shooting proved why the statue should stay where it is at Health Science Park.

“I think it’s disgusting that people use the shooting in Charleston and use those victims to forward their own agenda and join this anti Confederate hysteria that’s going on,” said Millar.
wreg.com

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:44:34am

re: #40 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Was this the governor’s response? Can’t see the Twitters because work….

Hope this screenshot is readable:

53 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 10:44:45am

re: #48 Targetpractice

So he threw it to the angry mob so as to avoid taking responsibility for the terms being rejected, and is now using that rejection to argue that it was instead a vote of confidence in him…to negotiate even worse terms.

Too bad he’s Greek, else he’d be a shoe-in for the Republican nomination.

You have won the internet.

54 De Kolta Chair  Jul 9, 2015 10:45:37am

From The Hollywood Reporter yesterday: Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Antonin Scalia Sang “The Times, They Are A-Changin’” After Gay Marriage Ruling

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg revealed that after Justice Antonin Scalia penned his scathing dissent about the Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage ruling, he proceeded to sing along to Bob Dylan at a party.

Ginsburg spoke with The Washington Post about Derrick Wang’s opera Scalia/Ginsburg, centered around the friendship between the two SCOTUS judges. During her conversation with reporter Geoff Edgers, Ginsburg said Scalia participated in a sing-along to Dylan’s “The Times, They Are A-Changin’.”

“He sang with great verve,” Ginsburg told Edgers.

55 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:45:41am

re: #50 Lidane

I had some FB friends posting herpty derp about that this morning. ZOMG GRAVE DESECRATION BY PC LIBRULS! THEY’RE ERASING AMERICAN HISTORY!

You know, because Tennessee is a bastion of PC liberalism.

This is happening partly because the white population of Memphis fled in fear to the suburbs after MLK was assassinated.

56 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 10:45:49am

Applause is cheap. If people do what you want, for whatever reason, pat them on the head and move on.

57 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 10:45:53am

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is not incorrect to maintain that the Civil War was not entirely about slavery.

But they seem to want to turn that on its head and teach that it was entirely not about slavery.

I’m aware of the fuss over tariffs, and there may be other non-slavery issues I’m unaware of.

However, I think the Civil War was entirely about slavery because without slavery the Civil War would not have happened.

58 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 10:46:20am

Bad news for ¡Jeb! —

59 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 10:46:25am

re: #43 jaunte

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Nathan Bedford Forrest statue coming down, too.

I don’t see the point of digging up his bones, but just replace his marker with two sticks.

60 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:46:58am

re: #57 EPR-radar

However, I think the Civil War was entirely about slavery because without slavery the Civil War would not have happened.

It’s hard to say it was about tariffs and money without examining where the money was coming from.

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 10:47:04am

re: #51 jaunte

Pushback from southern caveman:

…”I think it’s disgusting that people use the shooting in Charleston and use those victims to forward their own agenda and join this anti Confederate hysteria that’s going on,” said Millar.

There is a difference between individuals celebrating their personal/family heritage and giving the Confederacy and its ideology the cachet of approval through a government body.

That nuance is lost on many, and intentionally ignored by others.

62 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 10:47:19am

re: #48 Targetpractice

So he threw it to the angry mob so as to avoid taking responsibility for the terms being rejected, and is now using that rejection to argue that it was instead a vote of confidence in him…to negotiate even worse terms.

Too bad he’s Greek, else he’d be a shoe-in for the Republican nomination.

The worst part of this is that it will do the opposite of working. Austerity measures everywhere have reduced tax revenues by driving down GDP. It’s only the “Economics as Morality” crowd that thinks otherwise. Sadly, they’re the ones im charge.

63 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:48:01am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hope this screenshot is readable:

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Thanks!

Kind of an ominous sounding statement about courts and voters dealing with the clerks fulfilling their Constitutional duties.

But otherwise a strong statement.

64 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 10:48:14am

re: #31 Eventual Carrion

Them godless commies.

I saw some US propaganda from the height of the cold war era a while back, and the line of reasoning used was really remarkable. Apparently atheism inevitably leads to communism.

65 majii  Jul 9, 2015 10:48:30am

re: #42 Lidane

I think the reason the other 2016 GOP/TPers who are running for president have been reluctant to confront Trump is because they know he represents the party’s position on immigration. He’s their 2016 Todd Akin, saying things in public that they’ve been saying in private. GOP/TP politicians don’t want to work on immigration reform because it, like their opposition to same-sex marriage, can be used to raise campaign funds and drive their supporters to the polls. If they had really wanted immigration reform, they would not have bailed on GWB’s immigration reform plan, but they did, and by doing so, they turned against him, convinced their party members to turn against him and drove down his poll numbers.

66 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:48:32am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“I think it’s disgusting that people use the shooting in (fill in blank) and use those victims to forward their own agenda”

I believe that’s from an NRA PR book.

67 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:48:43am

re: #58 Lidane

Bad news for ¡Jeb! —

!!

68 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 10:48:49am

re: #57 EPR-radar

I’m aware of the fuss over tariffs, and there may be other non-slavery issues I’m unaware of.

However, I think the Civil War was entirely about slavery because without slavery the Civil War would not have happened.

The fuss over tariffs is bullshit.

The Tariff act of 1857 was written by Southerners, with the backing of Northern industrialists, and brought down tariffs to their lowest point in almost 50 years.

69 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 10:49:05am

Cspan callers are idiots.

70 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 10:49:07am

Laser-like focus on the important things:

71 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 10:49:48am

re: #41 Eventual Carrion

St. Paul’s Chapel had a seat where he would attend in NYC, including before his inauguration. He would attend there on a regular basis while President (and the capital was in NYC).

72 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 10:50:09am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a difference between individuals celebrating their personal/family heritage and giving the Confederacy and its ideology the cachet of approval through a government body.

That nuance is lost on many, and intentilnally ignored by others.

Bullshit. If someone had served cake and ice cream at the AME church, the flag should come down, because—-confederate flag.

73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 10:50:13am

re: #57 EPR-radar

I’m aware of the fuss over tariffs, and there may be other non-slavery issues I’m unaware of.

However, I think the Civil War was entirely about slavery because without slavery the Civil War would not have happened.

The point is that they are concentrating on peripheral issues while ignoring the root cause.

74 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2015 10:50:47am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t see the point of digging up his bones, but just replace his marker with two sticks.

I think he was originally buried in another (maybe Family) cemetery and moved there. I’m okay with moving him back…

Actually I’m okay with torching the muthertruckers bones and letting an elephant piss on em to put the fire out. I absolutely detest Forrest if you couldn’t tell.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:51:36am

Someone is flailing for attention:

76 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 10:52:27am

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Bullshit. If someone had served cake and ice cream at the AME church, the flag should come down, because—-confederate flag.

It does not belong on a government building, or on any other government property outside a museum, military cemetery or historical site.

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 10:52:58am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Good to see that rag is coming down. It should have long, long ago.

OT, but for you Lizards following the machinations of the ongoing Greek crisis, well, they’re submitting a plan to their creditors. And apparently, it’s more draconian that the plan rejected by Greek voters last Sunday.

theguardian.com

Something, something, something……Pyrrhic victory.

There’s gonna be a lot of very pissed-off “No” voters in Athens, I’mma thinking.

Sounds like the equivalent of a referendum in a city rejecting a sweetheart stadium deal as a bad idea. And the local executives promptly roll out a “Plan B” which is worse. And then do that deal based on their local authority.

78 majii  Jul 9, 2015 10:53:35am

re: #50 Lidane

It was never NBF and his wife’s desire to have their remains interred in a Memphis pubic park. They were buried in Elmwood Cemetery, and their remains were dug up and placed in the city park in the early 1900s, iirc. I suspect you know this, but those who are having a snit fit about their remains being relocated probably don’t since these types of individuals rarely do any research into any subject/matter.

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 10:53:37am

Still going on in DC:

80 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 10:53:49am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone is flailing for attention:

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Shouldn’t she be knitting booties or something?

81 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 10:54:51am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

82 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 10:55:40am
“…Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., who is African American, spoke on the U.S. House floor Thursday morning standing with a large Confederate flag next to him and urged his colleagues to vote against the amendment. He called sentimental attachment to the flag “historic amnesia.”

“Mr. Speaker, if this Confederate battle flag prevailed in war 150 years ago I would not be standing here as a member of the United States Congress, I would be here as a slave,” Jeffries said in an impassioned floor speech.”nbcnews.com

83 Tigger2  Jul 9, 2015 10:56:13am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone is flailing for attention:

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Another brainfart from Caribou Barbie.

84 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 10:56:48am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The point is that they are concentrating on peripheral issues while ignoring the root cause.

I agree, which is why I think it too much of a concession to Lost Cause bullshit to regard a statement that the Civil War was not entirely about slavery as being true.

85 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:57:37am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone is flailing for attention:

Always more room in the clown car even for candidates who don’t really want to campaign outside of Twitter.

86 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 10:58:36am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t she be knitting booties or something?

That’s for other women.

/

87 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 10:59:09am
88 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 10:59:35am

re: #64 EPR-radar

I saw some US propaganda from the height of the cold war era a while back, and the line of reasoning used was really remarkable. Apparently atheism inevitably leads to communism.

To the Romans monotheism was the slippery slope to atheism.
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89 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:00:04am

re: #69 Jenner7

Cspan callers are idiots.

Had to stop listening, watching, years ago.

90 De Kolta Chair  Jul 9, 2015 11:01:14am

Bipartisanship everyone should be able to agree with:

91 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:01:32am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone is flailing for attention:

“Wait, how come I can’t finish tapping out my statement here on Twitters? Am I being censured by Twitter, taking my First Amendment Rights away?”

//

92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:03:41am

re: #84 EPR-radar

I agree, which is why I think it too much of a concession to Lost Cause bullshit to regard a statement that the Civil War was not entirely about slavery as being true.

I said it was “not incorrect”, did not want to give the impression it was in any way true.

93 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 11:04:45am

Don’t panic, but I’m trying out a new body text font.

94 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:05:06am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Don’t panic, but I’m trying out a new body text font.

Chaos. Dogs and cats living together…

95 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 11:05:20am
96 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 11:05:42am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

97 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 11:06:12am

re: #95 lawhawk

“It was something about where to put a sock, but I wasn’t listening.”

98 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2015 11:07:14am
99 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 11:07:25am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

…

100 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:07:33am

re: #95 lawhawk

“I don’t even know who this Rinse person is.”

101 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:08:16am

You can’t change the definition of body text font. One body, one font!!!

102 withak  Jul 9, 2015 11:09:04am

You’ll take Comic Sans from my cold, dead hands!

103 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 11:09:05am

She’s a judge.

104 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 11:09:19am

re: #100 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“I don’t even know who this Rinse person is.”

“Some jerk trying to sell me a Prius. I told him to lose my number.”

105 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 11:10:25am

I think I like this font: Roboto. Shows up slightly darker and slightly larger than the one I was using previously: Open Sans.

106 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 11:11:21am

Someone from the Democrat side thought we should get rid of the American flag because we slaughtered Native Americans and interned Japanese.

Well…..what to say about that.

No one is asking to remove the American flag. The flag is a symbol of freedom. The Confederate flag is a symbol of subjugation, hate, and treason. It has never, and will never, be a symbol of freedom for this country. It was only put on capital grounds to, like others have said, give the US a middle finger on Civil rights. To compare the two flags on this issue is absolutely ridiculous. And the issue is with Confederate flags on state and/or federal grounds. You can wave your disgusting flag from your car, on your property, etc. all you want. You just won’t be seeing it on the SC state grounds any more.

If that bothers you, you’re a bigot. Plain and simple.

107 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 11:11:27am

Humanist Roboto.

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:11:35am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I think I like this font: Roboto.

Domo Harigato!

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:12:33am
110 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:12:38am

re: #104 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Some jerk trying to sell me a Prius. I told him to lose my number.”

Some car wash. I don’t even own a Prius but if I did I would always have full detailing, not just a rinse.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:13:09am
112 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 11:13:23am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I think I like this font: Roboto. Shows up slightly darker and slightly larger than the one I was using previously: Open Sans.

Think it reads better in Roboto.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:14:29am
114 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 11:14:37am

re: #112 lawhawk

Think it reads better in Roboto.

+1

115 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 11:17:39am
116 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 11:18:46am

re: #112 lawhawk

Think it reads better in Roboto.

Agree - it seems a bit more readable than Open Sans, maybe because the strokes are slightly heavier.

117 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:19:33am

It’s darker, easier to read.

Yesterday I had to change the Tweetdeck from small font to medium font. My eyesight sucks.

118 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 11:19:58am

re: #115 Kragar

They were just singing about the ‘land of cotton’ because they liked their shirts.

119 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:20:32am

NO ONE SPEAKS TEH TROOF LIKE TEH TRUMP!!!!!

120 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 11:20:35am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Domo Harigato!

…

121 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:20:43am

re: #115 Kragar

More Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Ga.: These were people were fighting for their states. I don’t think they had even any thoughts about slavery

He highlights again the distinction between the private display of the flag and its official display. Those Confederate state governments were certainly thinking about slavery, its defense and even its spread.

122 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:21:05am

re: #115 Kragar

Because fighting for one’s state against the federal government, against it’s laws, was perfectly honorable.

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123 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2015 11:21:08am

re: #115 Kragar

First two sentences of Ga. Articles of Secession Rep. Westmoreland

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

124 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 11:21:52am
125 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 11:22:40am

re: #115 Kragar

[Embedded content]

And a lot of those who fought under the swastika believed they were simply fighting for their homes and didn’t buy into the Nazi Party line. What’s his point?

126 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 11:22:44am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I think I like this font: Roboto. Shows up slightly darker and slightly larger than the one I was using previously: Open Sans.

Roboto?

Mr. Roboto?

…

Domo arigato!

127 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 11:23:24am
128 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 11:24:18am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I said it was “not incorrect”, did not want to give the impression it was in any way true.

Even “not incorrect” is too much of a concession. There’s really no room for nuance on that issue.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 11:25:06am

re: #120 Lidane

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An anti-technology song.

130 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 11:25:42am

*headdesk*

131 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 11:25:53am

re: #125 Targetpractice

And a lot of those who fought under the swastika believed they were simply fighting for their homes and didn’t buy into the Nazi Party line. What’s his point?

Somehow I think that had the states of the Hartford Convention seceded from the Union and spurred a war forcing them back in that they would be highly regarded today.

132 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 11:26:22am

re: #127 jaunte

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You know what the difference is between that moron and most Germans? The Germans for the most part made peace with the reality that their fathers/grandfathers fought for a very fucked up ideology and agreed it should never happen again.

133 withak  Jul 9, 2015 11:27:16am

re: #124 Kragar

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There are two things I know about WV: 1) coal and 2) it was Union after breaking away from VA. That’s about it.

This guy lives there and didn’t know #2.

WTF.

134 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 11:28:38am

re: #133 withak

There are two things I know about WV: 1) coal and 2) it was Union after breaking away from VA. That’s about it.

This guy lives there and didn’t know #2.

WTF.

Another fine example of ‘check your brain at the door’ in US RWNJ politics.

135 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 11:29:10am

re: #132 Targetpractice

Unfortunately the Union didn’t have the recources or the will for a complete postwar reconciliation and reconstruction, so the guerillas succeeded until the civil rights era.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:29:24am
137 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:29:53am

Look at this Patriot==>

138 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 11:30:52am

Alabama is searching for new ways out of our tax hole, the Wank Tax:

“Williams would like to see adult purchases, either magazines or the electronic downloads, be taxed to raise revenue. Williams estimates that this could bring in about $60 million to Alabama’s struggling General Fund budget.”

myfoxal.com

One assumes it would include confederate-flag themed items.

139 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 11:30:59am

re: #135 jaunte

Unfortunately the Union didn’t have the recources or the will for a complete postwar reconciliation and reconstruction, so the guerillas succeeded until the civil rights era.

The Union won the Civil War, and then proceeded to lose the peace.

140 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:31:58am

re: #133 withak

There are two things I know about WV: 1) coal and 2) it was Union after breaking away from VA. That’s about it.

This guy lives there and didn’t know #2.

WTF.

#3, it is almost heaven.

So therefore, if you are without sin when you die, you get to go to a place slightly better than West Virginia.

(forget which comic pointed this out)

141 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2015 11:32:06am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

LOL, clearly this person is unaware of the copious amounts of free porn on the internet.

142 Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2015 11:32:31am
143 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 11:32:31am

Clumsy BEE

144 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2015 11:32:33am

re: #139 EPR-radar

The Union won the Civil War, and then proceeded to lose the peace.

100% This.

145 withak  Jul 9, 2015 11:32:38am

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Look at this Patriot==>

[Embedded content]

They don’t run; they sit down when they surrender.

146 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 11:33:24am

re: #130 Lidane

Have people like this ever actually read the Constitution. Because, really, it’s mostly a rather dry document outlining the basic procedures for electing and organizing the federal government. It’s like finding the Holy Ghost in “Robert’s Rules of Order”.

147 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2015 11:34:12am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Alabama is searching for new ways out of our tax hole, the Wank Tax:

“Williams would like to see adult purchases, either magazines or the electronic downloads, be taxed to raise revenue. Williams estimates that this could bring in about $60 million to Alabama’s struggling General Fund budget.”

myfoxal.com

One assumes it would include confederate-flag themed items.

People pay for porn???

148 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2015 11:35:26am

re: #147 Varek Raith

People pay for porn???

I did at one time, but that was back in the age of dial-up and long before idroidberry smartphones and tablets.

149 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 11:35:39am

re: #147 Varek Raith

People pay for porn???

Well, someone’s gotta be paying for it or the production studios would go outta business.

150 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 11:35:48am

re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL, clearly this person is unaware of the copious amounts of free porn on the internet.

One would expect conservative porn consumers to be still paying for it, because change is bad. Perhaps Mr. Williams’ blind spot comes from relying too much on personal experience.

151 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2015 11:36:41am

re: #147 Varek Raith

People pay for porn???

Only when they forget to call and cancel that free trial they signed up for with their credit card.

152 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 11:36:59am

re: #147 Varek Raith

People pay for porn???

Enough for Alabamans to produce $60 Million per year at 4%? Must know his constituents.

153 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2015 11:37:39am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Enough for Alabamans to produce $60 Million per year at 4%? Must know his constituents.

I thought studies had shown conservative states were the biggest consumers of porn?

154 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:37:44am

DIM JIM BEING STUPID (Because it is a Day!)

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:37:59am

Enjoy your stay, Mr. Davis.

156 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 11:39:21am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

I thought studies had shown conservative states were the biggest consumers of porn?

Yeah, but they count anything south of Daisy Dukes.

157 withak  Jul 9, 2015 11:39:48am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

#3, it is almost heaven.

So therefore, if you are without sin when you die, you get to go to a place slightly better than West Virginia.

(forget which comic pointed this out)

I’ve never been, but I’m sure I’d love it. One day I’ll get to all 50 states; only about half to go.

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:39:59am
159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:40:27am

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

I did at one time, but that was back in the age of dial-up and long before idroidberry smartphones and tablets.

re: #147 Varek Raith

People pay for porn???

My girlfriend does, keeps viruses off her computer.

160 FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2015 11:41:08am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Enough for Alabamans to produce $60 Million per year at 4%? Must know his constituents.

Or, he’s doing a washer load of socks daily, and using his personal metric as the basis for his calculations

161 ibob  Jul 9, 2015 11:42:12am

re: #43 jaunte

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Nathan Bedford Forrest statue coming down, too.

About time.

My medical school and residency training took place right across from that park. You could see the statue from the windows of our gyn clinic. Always felt uncomfortable about it. I always wondered what our patients thought about it. Have to admit I was never brave enough to ask. But, it was clinic after all and would been inappropriate to ask a patient a question like that when you suppose to be concentrating on the problem that brought them to the clinic in the first place.

162 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 11:42:45am

re: #151 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Only when they forget to call and cancel that free trial they signed up for with their credit card.

Always check for the cross-checks…

163 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 11:43:58am

re: #43 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Nathan Bedford Forrest statue coming down, too.

Freep commenter Nathan Bedford Forrest will be be aghast, aghast I say.

164 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 11:44:24am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

If he doesn’t like his current job he should go get another one. Isn’t that the standard conservative response to folks who complain about oppressive work situations?

165 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 11:44:31am

More good news.

Trump vows long campaign, won’t commit to backing GOP nominee

washingtonpost.com

166 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:45:04am
167 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 11:45:18am

re: #133 withak

There are two things I know about WV: 1) coal and 2) it was Union after breaking away from VA. That’s about it.

This guy lives there and didn’t know #2.

WTF.

And one reason they broke away is that the VA legislature screwed them over repeatedly regarding proportional representation in the 1840-1860 period; e.g. they wouldn’t redraw the districts to reflect the changing population demographics and give the western counties their due representation in the state house.

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:46:16am

no. words.

169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:46:29am

re: #164 funky chicken

If he doesn’t like his current job he should go get another one. Isn’t that the standard conservative response to folks who complain about oppressive work situations?

I’m sure he can find a fundamentalist church that would gladly offer him a position as clerk or deacon.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 11:47:01am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Enough for Alabamans to produce $60 Million per year at 4%? Must know his constituents.

It’s the Bible Belt.
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171 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 11:47:10am

re: #43 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Nathan Bedford Forrest statue coming down, too.

beautiful horse statue. maybe they can copy that part and put it back. just remove the traitor.

172 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 11:47:19am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Asked if he could see John Lewis’s point on confed flag, Lynn Westmoreland said, “the question is does he understand where I’m coming from?”

Yes, if he puts his head far enough up his ass…

173 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 11:48:34am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

no. words.

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I think ‘self-centered bigot’ has a redundancy in it.

174 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:49:44am
175 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 11:50:41am

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

DIM JIM BEING STUPID (Because it is a Day!)

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Hoft’s comment section has become an absolute sewer of open racism and hate speech. It’s always been bad, but now it’s literally identical to Stormfront.

176 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 11:51:12am

People who keep claiming the Southern heritage exception in allowing them the right to see the flag fly over the state capitol in SC seem to ignore the fact that that’s the flag of the losing side in the Civil War (War of Southern Secession/Insurrection).

The heritage they’re trying to hold on to? That’s the side that lost. That’s the side that was trying to hold on to slavery as a right of white slaveowners. That’s the side that treated blacks as property and who saw fit to treat blacks as chattel.

That’s what they want to defend?

177 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 11:51:51am

Jesse is a clown, but he’s an entertaining one

“The more carbon you are putting into the atmosphere, the hotter it’s going to get,” Ventura explained to Cruz. “That is a scientific fact, Ted Cruz. It’s not debatable, it’s science.”

Turning to Ben Carson, Ventura wondered when he “made the choice to be gay or hetero.”

“It don’t work that way, it’s physical, you are born that way,” Ventura pointed out. “But see, people like Ben Carson can’t get it through their thick heads that people are indeed born that way.”

178 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2015 11:52:24am

Hey yall: It’s Casey from Casey County.

179 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 11:52:53am

Hoo boy. Disney is going really set off the derp now:

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:53:52am

re: #178 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Hey yall: It’s Casey from Casey County.

[Embedded content]

Noticing that’s a pretty gay colored shirt he’s wearing there.

181 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:55:01am

re: #179 Lidane

Hoo boy. Disney is going really set off the derp now:

[Embedded content]

Disney locked “Song of the South” deep, deep in the vault years ago.

182 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 11:55:54am

re: #179 Lidane

Hoo boy. Disney is going really set off the derp now:

[Embedded content]

Wonder how many grifters will jump into the gap with Dixie World theme park projects.

183 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 11:56:33am

re: #177 Kragar

Jesse is a clown, but he’s an entertaining one

[Embedded content]

I always liked this Jesse quote:

“You Give Me A Waterboard, Dick Cheney And One Hour, And I’ll Have Him Confess To The Sharon Tate Murders.”

184 withak  Jul 9, 2015 11:56:42am

re: #179 Lidane

Hoo boy. Disney is going really set off the derp now:

[Embedded content]

I’m honestly shocked it was being flown in the first place. I didn’t notice when I visited last year.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 11:57:24am

LOLOLOLOL!!!

186 withak  Jul 9, 2015 11:57:48am

re: #177 Kragar

Jesse is a clown, but he’s an entertaining one

[Embedded content]

He was a mediocre governor and, last I checked, is a conspiracy nut, but he’s at least entertaining.

187 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 11:58:57am

Looks like Donald has been tracking the memes on #tcot

188 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2015 11:59:30am

re: #182 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Wonder how many grifters will jump into the gap with Dixie World theme park projects.

Don’t give them ideas.

189 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 9, 2015 11:59:46am
South Carolina Doesn’t Deserve Congratulations

Of course not: Grant didn’t congratulate Lee at Appomattox nor did Eisenhower congratulate Jodl when the latter surrendered what was left of another racist army.

190 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 11:59:59am

Sigh….kid drama. I wish it was the end of August.

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2015 12:00:37pm

re: #177 Kragar

Jesse is a clown, but he’s an entertaining one

No doubt his pro wrestling background has lot to do with that.

192 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:01:55pm

re: #43 jaunte

Your link about Forrest sent me wiki-walking. After re-reading his page and reading about his (male) descendants, I went over the the page on the Klan and found the excerpt below, taken from a “Why the Ku Klux Klan” address given on Thanksgiving Day observance at UT Austin in 1914.

The author, William Stewart Simkins, was a Civil War veteran who helped organize the Florida Klu Klux Klan and was a professor at the UT Austin. Let me repeat that so it can really sink in—this racist was openly giving his pro-KKK speech at the university where he was a professor on a major U.S. holiday—I just can’t even… Anyway, the whining sounds strikingly familiar:

Again, I would protect from the withering influence of ignorance the character of those secret organizations of the South that sprang out of a great necessity for readjusting social conditions and resisting oppression and hate. Again, I think you will see that the men of that day had the spirit of the martyrs of old who passed through the fires of persecution for their faith. […]

Our political peace lasted until the meeting of Congress in December, 1865, which was dominated by such men as Stephens, Sumner and Wilson, all apostles of hate and one of whom at least had declared the Constitution of the United States “a league with hell.”

Their theory was that the States, by secession, had been reduced to territories and Congress could deal with them as such; and their theory practically prevailed, as the South was denied representation in Congress and thus lay prostrated at the feet of this irresponsible body of fanatics. It was only by reducing us to a territorial existence that their Congressional fulminations could reach us, and their envenomed prejudices could be satisfied; and the suffering of the South was sweet incense to their passionate hate.

With the enforcement of their theory our troubles began. The Freedman’s Bureau, organized shortly after Congress, met under the guise of protecting the negroes from their former masters; it was in fact a method of organizing the negroes as pliant tools of the Republican party. It was also armed with powers that were intended to humiliate the South, and enforce the anticipated Civil Rights laws, the germ of which was social equality. The severest penal laws were enacted against those who interfered in any way with the free exercise of any whim of these ignorant masses, and the federal courts, then presided over by party tools, were given jurisdiction in enforcing these penalties. To make it more effective the Bureau was made an annex of the War Department and the soldiers of that victorious army were to obey the orders of that villainous Bureau and assist in crushing the pride of the South by the elevation of the negro to political control. The pillar of cloud by day and fire by night that marked the trail of Sherman’s army were not more blighting in its effect upon the people of the South. […]

en.wikisource.org

SSDD, no? They haven’t changed a bit.

193 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:02:50pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

Edited to include the link to the source article.

194 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 12:07:21pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

enforce the anticipated Civil Rights laws, the germ of which was social equality

Oh dear.

/

195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 12:08:55pm

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like Donald has been tracking the memes on #tcot

The Donald is a real man of the people.

//

196 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:10:08pm

re: #194 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh dear.

/

They’re still butthurt 150 years after the Civil War ended. Amazing.

197 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 12:10:08pm

re: #165 Skip Intro

More good news.

Trump vows long campaign, won’t commit to backing GOP nominee

washingtonpost.com

Please proceed….

198 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 12:10:18pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

…the germ of which was social equality.

*clutches pearls, faints*

199 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 12:10:42pm

At a loss for words here

200 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 12:11:29pm
201 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2015 12:12:41pm

re: #42 Lidane

It took Goodhair a few days, but Rick Perry has finally come up with a response for Donald Trump:

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202 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 12:12:57pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Disney locked “Song of the South” deep, deep in the vault years ago.

It’s unfortunate. The Bre’r Rabbit stories are important examples of American folklore. They should release it without the racist framing story.

203 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 12:13:01pm

Donald Trump has ideas. Big ideas. All it takes is money. Lots of money. Your money. Not his. Yours.

204 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 12:14:25pm

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like Donald has been tracking the memes on #tcot

[Embedded content]

Methinks we could create an automatic Donald Trump tweet generator, a la the Sarah Palin speech generator from years ago.

205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:14:30pm

re: #203 Drive By Commenter

Donald Trump has ideas. Big ideas. All it takes is money. Lots of money. Your money. Not his. Yours.

“Loan me all the money you have and I will use it to buy everything you own”

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 12:14:35pm

re: #203 Drive By Commenter

Donald Trump has ideas. Big ideas. All it takes is money. Lots of money. Your money. Not his. Yours.

I’m sure The Donald will also soon tell us that there is trouble in River City.

207 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 12:14:40pm
208 blueraven  Jul 9, 2015 12:14:50pm

This is unbelievably awful for a past POTUS and CIC.

George W. Bush charged wounded vets group $100k for speech

Members of the Texas-based Helping a Hero charity told ABC News that Bush charged $100,000 for his 2012 speech at a charity fundraiser for veterans who lost limbs in the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars. The former president was also given use of a private jet at a cost of $20,000 and former First Lady Laura Bush was paid $50,000 to speak to the group last year.

209 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 12:15:01pm

re: #58 Lidane

Bad news for ¡Jeb! —

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That was exactly what I thought it was…Jeb!’s 47% moment. Too bad it didn’t happen later in the cycle.

210 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 12:16:04pm

re: #202 Ace-o-aces

It’s unfortunate. The Bre’r Rabbit stories are important examples of American folklore. They should release it without the racist framing story.

Problem is the B’rer Rabbit stories were all written in dialect, it would be impossible to separate them from the racism of the day.

There is a whole bunch of racism in the early Disney cartoons. Cracked has an article “Most Racist Disney Cartoons Ever” but it’s firewalled here.

211 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 12:16:04pm

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

I hope you can rest well knowing you have disgraced the memory and life’s of the 620,000 who died fighting under that flag and fighting for a deep rooted southern value system that truly had nothing to do with hate, slavery, nor the church shooting. The s$#t pot has been stirred now let’s see who has to lick the spoon!”

620k died fighting for the Confederacy?

/

212 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 12:16:28pm

re: #63 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Thanks!

Kind of an ominous sounding statement about courts and voters dealing with the clerks fulfilling their Constitutional duties.

But otherwise a strong statement.

It’s too bad the governor didn’t mention that the state would not support the clerk’s in a court case…they’d be paying for their own defense on their own dime. Instantaneous turn around…or go fund me.

213 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 12:16:43pm

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #206 Feline Fearless Leader

He keeps this up and soon he’ll be called a Democratic plant.

214 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 12:17:11pm

re: #203 Drive By Commenter

Donald Trump has ideas. Big ideas. All it takes is money. Lots of money. Your money. Not his. Yours.

He’s gonna build his own country! With black jack! And hookers! In fact, forget the country!

////

215 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 12:17:16pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

Good find. Becoming more aware of crap like this is why I now take a very hard line against Lost Cause or neo-Confederate nonsense, even in its softer forms like analyzing the first half of 19th century US history in terms of ‘sectionalism’.

216 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 12:17:36pm
217 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:18:06pm

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

*clutches pearls, faints*

Yeah, apparently social equality is synonymous with oppression & hate.

218 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 12:18:10pm
219 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 12:18:54pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

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Hasn’t he, or someone else, said that before?

220 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 12:19:27pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

Problem is the B’rer Rabbit stories were all written in dialect, it would be impossible to separate them from the racism of the day.

I think you could adapt them without “dialect”. They where, after all, themselves adaptions of Western African folklore to begin with.

221 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 12:19:30pm

re: #211 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I have never seen any historical evidence of this mythical “southern value system that truly had nothing to do with hate, slavery”

222 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 12:19:51pm
223 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 12:21:00pm

re: #220 Ace-o-aces

I think you could adapt them without “dialect”. They where, after all, themselves adaptions of Western African folklore to begin with.

Joel Chandler Harris, like Stephen Foster, was a white man who took African-American culture and used to to make money for himself.

224 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 12:21:18pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

He’s gonna build his own country! With black jack! And hookers! In fact, forget the country!

////

Had that. It’s on the Boardwalk in AC. Boarded up.

225 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 12:22:05pm
226 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 12:23:21pm
227 BeachDem  Jul 9, 2015 12:23:55pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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Why has MSNBC decided to be Trump Central? I swear, most of the stories/clips I see about the buffoon are from MSNBC. I know it’s good to expose his idiocy, but I think they’re going a bit overboard.

228 Snarknado!  Jul 9, 2015 12:24:06pm

re: #220 Ace-o-aces

I think you could adapt them without “dialect”. They where, after all, themselves adaptions of Western African folklore to begin with.

All you’d need to do is redo the voice track. (And redo the ravens in Dumbo too — they’re good guys, they deserve better.)

229 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 12:24:28pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

Problem is the B’rer Rabbit stories were all written in dialect, it would be impossible to separate them from the racism of the day.

There is a whole bunch of racism in the early Disney cartoons. Cracked has an article “Most Racist Disney Cartoons Ever” but it’s firewalled here.

Some of what are considered the best cartoons ever made are basically locked in the vaults due to their racist content. Both Disney and Warner Bros. (“Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs” being one of the famous censored Warner Bros. ones.)*

There are also internet lists of the various edits and censoring that has happened to the various Warner Bros. cartoons as mores have changed and also concern about showing adult content to children - especially once they became standard Saturday morning kid’s fare.

* - It’s probably worth seeing once simply due to the cultural significance and animation/music. A bit like Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation”.

230 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:24:40pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

A personal favorite. “White people ended slavery.” Like giving Hitler credit for killing Hitler.

Like giving the SC legislature credit for taking down the Confederate flag?

231 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 12:24:40pm

re: #115 Kragar

He was one of the heartless bastards against the Snowball Act after Hurricane Katrina.

The Pets Evacuation and Transportation Standards Act (PETS) was a bi-partisan initiative in the United States House of Representatives to require states seeking Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) assistance to accommodate pets and service animals in their plans for evacuating residents facing disasters.[1] Introduced by Congressmen Tom Lantos (D-California) and Christopher Shays (R-Connecticut) on September 22, 2005, the bill passed the House of Representatives on May 22, 2006 by a margin of 349 to 29.[2] Technically an amendment to the Stafford Act, it was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 6, 2006.[3] The bill is now Public Law 109-308.

While the bill received wide support, it did have opponents. Two Representatives from the State of Georgia who opposed, Lynn Westmoreland-(R) and Charlie Norwood-(R), announced through spokesmen concerns that the law would unfairly impose federal control over state governance and negatively impact resources from other areas of emergency planning necessary to protect human lives.

232 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 12:25:28pm
233 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 12:26:37pm

re: #226 Kragar

Thick as a
234 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 12:27:15pm

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Like giving the SC legislature credit for taking down the Confederate flag?

Or bragging about how Americans “fought a war to free the slaves”, when every other Western country did it peacefully.

235 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 12:27:37pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They look so lucky.

236 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 12:27:57pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Owner of Most Batshit Confederate Statue Ever Wants It Seen From Interstate #tcot #UniteBlue tnne.ws

I didn’t know Custer was on a confederate soldier. /

237 Snarknado!  Jul 9, 2015 12:29:23pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

The Brits did largely end slavery (at least the international slave trade), which, some people don’t seem to realize, is tied with prostitution for “oldest profession” and just as wide-spread.

238 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 12:30:47pm

re: #233 Drive By Commenter

…

239 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:31:31pm

re: #237 Snarknado!

The Brits did largely end slavery (at least the international slave trade), which, some people don’t seem to realize, is tied with prostitution for “oldest profession” and just as wide-spread.

“Prostitution is not the world’s oldest profession. Somebody had to beg for it first.”

-Joan Rivers

240 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 12:31:34pm

re: #233 Drive By Commenter

241 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 12:32:39pm

re: #240 Kragar

I went ta collitch two. Keep that on your hook for as long as possible.

242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:33:59pm

re: #241 Drive By Commenter

I went ta collitch two.

I learned to make college cheese

243 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 12:34:03pm

re: #229 Feline Fearless Leader

Some of what are considered the best cartoons ever made are basically locked in the vaults due to their racist content. Both Disney and Warner Bros. (“Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs” being one of the famous censored Warner Bros. ones.)*

There are also internet lists of the various edits and censoring that has happened to the various Warner Bros. cartoons as mores have changed and also concern about showing adult content to children - especially once they became standard Saturday morning kid’s fare.

* - It’s probably worth seeing once simply due to the cultural significance and animation/music. A bit like Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation”.

My Mom pointed out to me some edits to a Nancy Drew book compared to an early edition and a more recent one involving what was a detailed description of slave quarters and included the use of the words “mammy” and “pickaninny”.

244 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2015 12:35:05pm
245 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 12:35:11pm

re: #240 Kragar

Our Family Tree

246 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:35:41pm

re: #243 Timothy Watson

My Mom pointed out to me some edits to a Nancy Drew book compared to an early edition and a more recent one involving what was a detailed description of slave quarters and included the use of the words “mammy” and “pickaninny”.

It is worth noting that such terms, depictions and attitudes were taken for granted and so commonplace that they went unnoticed.

247 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 12:35:52pm

re: #245 Drive By Commenter

Why u hate bricks? :-)

248 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 12:37:19pm
249 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 12:37:39pm

re: #240 Kragar

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I am currently leaning towards troll.

250 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 12:37:59pm

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“Loan me all the money you have and I will use it to buy everything you own”

You can’t have everything, where would you put it?
- Steven Wright

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 12:38:07pm

re: #240 Kragar

what a maroon (or a really really bad parody account):

252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:40:01pm

re: #248 Lidane

Tony Perkins: Gay marriage may soon destroy the freedom of speech, increase the prison population http://

So he is saying that God is going for the slow, creeping smite rather than the good ol’ Bolt Out of the Blue…

253 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:40:37pm

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I remember how racist some of the movies & cartoons I watched as a kid were. Ditto for stories and even things like the old Aunt Jemima, who looked like she stepped straight out of Gone With the Wind. I didn’t recognize it for what it was though—it just was. I guess that’s part of what made it so awful.

254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:41:51pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

I remember how racist some of the movies & cartoons I watched as a kid were. Ditto for stores and even things like the old Aunt Jemima, who looked like she stepped straight out of Gone With the Wind. I didn’t recognize it for what it was though—it just was. I guess that’s part of what made it so awful.

In Germany, a chocolate coated marshmallow treat was a “Negerkuss”, and my family referred to Brazil nuts as “n*gger toes”.

255 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 12:42:56pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

what a maroon (or a really really bad parody account):

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Leaning towards maroon. He came in defending a loon who was attacking atheist and agnostic veterans, claiming they were nazis.

256 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 12:43:17pm

re: #243 Timothy Watson

My Mom pointed out to me some edits to a Nancy Drew book compared to an early edition and a more recent one involving what was a detailed description of slave quarters and included the use of the words “mammy” and “pickaninny”.

Hardy Boys as well.

257 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 12:43:48pm

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In Germany, chocolate coated marshmallow treats were called “Negerkuss”, and my family referred to Brazil nuts an “n*gger toes”.

Zwarte Piet, which I first found out about during a wikiwalk which prompted a WTFITS movement:

Zwarte Piet (pronounced [ˈzʋɑrtə ˈpit]; English: Black Peter or Black Pete, Luxembourgish: Schwaarze Péiter) is the companion of Saint Nicholas (Dutch: Sinterklaas, Luxembourgish: Kleeschen) in the folklore of the Low Countries. The character first appeared in his current form in an 1850 book by Jan Schenkman and is commonly depicted as a blackamoor. Traditionally Zwarte Piet is said to be black because he is a Moor from Spain.[1] Actors portraying Zwarte Piet typically put on blackface make-up and colourful Renaissance attire, in addition to curly wigs, red lipstick and earrings. In recent years, the character has become the subject of controversy, especially in the Netherlands.[2][3]

en.wikipedia.org

258 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 12:43:56pm

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In Germany, chocolate coated marshmallow treats were called “Negerkuss”, and my family referred to Brazil nuts as “n*gger toes”.

I had Texas relatives who used fingers instead of toes, but same idea.

259 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:44:24pm

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In Germany, chocolate coated marshmallow treats were called “Negerkuss”, and my family referred to Brazil nuts as “n*gger toes”.

The n-word was always a big no-no in our house. I don’t think I even heard it till kindergarten or first grade. I was quite taken aback the first time I heard Brazil nuts referred to in that fashion.

260 No Depression  Jul 9, 2015 12:44:40pm

re: #245 Drive By Commenter

You think he might be related to this guy?

Video

261 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 12:45:56pm

re: #257 Timothy Watson

Zwarte Piet, which I first found out about during a wikiwalk which prompted a WTFITS movement:

en.wikipedia.org

Reminds me of the Persian New Year’s Hajji Firuz

262 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 12:49:27pm

re: #259 CuriousLurker

. I was quite taken aback the first time I heard Brazil nuts referred to in that fashion.

For me that came from my best friend, who many years later came to me when her brother came out because ‘I knew you would understand and not criticize him.’

263 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 12:50:36pm

re: #248 Lidane

So we won’t be hearing Tony Perkins eventually?

Sounds like a Win.

264 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 12:50:59pm

The CNN live shot at the Columbia SC capitol shows a dude holding a pole with an upside down US Flag with the Stars & Bars below it.

Dylan Roof has friends everywhere.

265 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 9, 2015 12:52:31pm

Then there was the big blowup over the appropriateness of “N*gger Jim” in Huckleberry Finn.

Some editions replaced it with “The Slave Jim”, but that missed the point of one of his key statements, namely: “I used to be a slave, but I’ll be a n*gger for the rest of my life”.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 12:55:22pm

One of my cats looks at me just like that.
Looks just like her, too.

267 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 12:56:04pm

c-span.org

Signing ceremony link….

268 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 12:56:11pm

re: #256 Bubblehead II

Hardy Boys as well.

The jalopy named Queen was hilarious.

269 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 12:56:59pm
270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 12:59:21pm
271 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 12:59:51pm

re: #226 Kragar

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Guess homeschool teacher mom gradiated 4th grade too.

272 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2015 1:03:04pm

re: #240 Kragar

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That has got to be a spoof account.

273 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 1:05:49pm
274 steve_davis  Jul 9, 2015 1:09:52pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

#tcot is a perfect real life example of the scene in Orwell’s Animal Farm
FOUR LEGS GOOD!
TWO LEGS BAD!
(could not shut them up)

HURR HURR GOP IS GOOD!!!!
DEMS IS BAD1!!!1!!!

The chickens: “We’re screwed!”

275 steve_davis  Jul 9, 2015 1:28:13pm

re: #45 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He was a Vestry member in the Anglican/Episcopal Church, may have even been a Warden, i.e. head layperson in the church. He required church attendance in the Revolutionary War.

If he was Episcopalian, that’s all right. We’re religious, but we’re right about everything, so the rest of you would be safe…..

276 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 1:39:11pm

re: #33 Kragar

The Air Force’s nuclear command was full of fundie nonsense for decades:

AF suspends ‘Jesus loves nukes’ training

Yet another reason why the USAF needs to be folded back into the Army. The experiment has failed.

277 steve_davis  Jul 9, 2015 1:40:52pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t she be knitting booties or something?

She needs to know who impregnated Bristol so that she’ll know if she needs to knit one pair for a boy, or a dozen pair for a litter.

278 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 1:42:56pm

re: #41 Eventual Carrion

I had heard/read that George Washington had a reserved seat at a church local to him and that he hardly ever attended. Don’t know how true that is.

My understanding is that he would attend up through the preaching but would almost never stay for the communion. This is not that uncommon a practice at the time and was the cause of a number of prayer book, cannon law and theological changes in the Episcopalian church over the past 200 years. His actual beliefs were probably deist.

279 kirkspencer  Jul 9, 2015 5:25:13pm

re: #277 steve_davis

There’s a depth of insult I try not to tolerate. I developed it when the same sorts of things were tossed out about the Clinton’s daughter.


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