Oregon Terrorists Convene ‘Common Law Grand Jury’ Against Local Officials

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The “sovereign citizen” domestic terrorists who took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge headquarters are really getting delusional now: Armed Occupiers Convene ‘Common Law Grand Jury’ Against Local Officials.

Armed occupiers in Harney County are moving forward with efforts to change the legal system.

Occupiers say they’ve voted to ask Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch, a long-time Tea Party activist, to convene a common law grand jury.

He tracks its origins back to the Magna Carta, British common law and the U.S. Constitution and he warns, the jury meets in absolute secrecy. “The media, you cannot ask the question to them. That’s a felony,” he told reporters.

“So make sure (you know) what you are doing because if you ask me: How many? What they say? Why they vote? You’re committing the crime of felony and I will hold you accountable,” said DeMoreta-Folch.

Here’s the website of the lunatic these armed crackpots chose as their “common law judge.” Note that it has all the earmarks of a website created by a crazy person.

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106 comments
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2016 • 1:57:29pm

I just googled “Common Law Grand Jury”.

It’s a rabbit hole of crazy for sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 1:59:24pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:00:16pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He needs to keep in mind that these people are crazy, armed and dangerous.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:00:59pm

This occupation has last for TWENTY TWO DAYS and still LEOs stand by and do nothing.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:01:02pm

So the freedom of press is out in this “new constitution”. I bet it is not the only missing right these constitutional scholars have pruned out of their “constitution”. Glad they are American patriots or I would be worried.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:01:16pm

re: #3 Big Beautiful Door

He needs to keep in mind that these people are crazy, armed and dangerous.

Les knows:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:02:24pm

I just noticed this on Ammon Bundy’s wikipedia page:

Bundy is married to Lisa and has six children, as well as 46 nieces and nephews

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:03:04pm

“Bad craziness”

Think I remember when you started using that term here. Prophetic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:03:56pm

Cliven Bundy butchers his cattle himself and sells it to the public from a freezer at his house.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:04:02pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

This occupation has last for TWENTY TWO DAYS and still LEOs stand by and do nothing.

I do not envy them trying to determine the best strategy to deal with dangerously delusional, heavily armed people.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:04:31pm

Timecube website goes offline last August… this insanity starts 4 months later = 4 corners of Timecube.

I’m just ASKING QUESTIONS.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:04:37pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I just noticed this on Ammon Bundy’s wikipedia page:

Bundy is married to Lisa and has six children, as well as 46 nieces and nephews

An ammo box full.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:04:52pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I just noticed this on Ammon Bundy’s wikipedia page:
Bundy is married to Lisa and has six children, as well as 46 nieces and nephews

Or, as his friends call it, “two platoons and a headquarters element”.

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ausador  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:05:10pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

This occupation has last for TWENTY TWO DAYS and still LEOs stand by and do nothing.

They waited for 51 days before assaulting the Branch Davidians at Waco.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:06:15pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cliven Bundy butchers his cattle himself and sells it to the public from a freezer at his house.

MMmmm—Raw milk,

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:07:43pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cliven Bundy butchers his cattle himself and sells it to the public from a freezer at his house.

No wonder they all have Mad Cow Disease.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:07:44pm
Note that it has all the earmarks of a website created by a crazy person.

Why do all the crazy-site designers have stars as wallpaper? Is it a GeoCities theme transition or other woo in general?

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SoundGuy 2016  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:07:48pm

Get ready for the wall of latin legal terms mixed with frontier gibberish.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:08:30pm

re: #11 SoundGuy 2016

Timecube website goes offline last August… this insanity starts 4 months later = 4 corners of Timecube.

I’m just ASKING QUESTIONS.

I thought a cube had 8 corners? but then again, we are talking timecube.

RBS

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:08:32pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cliven Bundy butchers his cattle himself and sells it to the public from a freezer at his house.

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fern01  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:08:37pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cliven Bundy butchers his cattle himself and sells it to the public from a freezer at his house.

And the people who buy his meat will know doubt blame the EPA for any issues they have with same.

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ausador  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:08:39pm
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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:08:58pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I read that Finicum is FLDS, I suspect that Ammon, Cliven and Ryan are garden variety LDS cuckoo.

The more I come into contact with and understand about Mormons, the more I despise, distrust and disrespect among their devout. Credulousness seems wired in, but what else would you expect, given their origin?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:10:02pm

Donald Trump retweets another white supremacist that he has already retweeted several times before==>

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:10:40pm

re: #22 ausador

IIRC, the Oathkeepers will not be welcome with this crowd because they shit themselves and split on the rumor of a drone strike at Cliven’s ranch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:10:51pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump retweets another white supremacist that he has already retweeted several times before==>

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“Hey Melania, watch how high I can spike my poll numbers!”

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:12:16pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

BLM should sell cattle hunting concessions on parcels where they aren’t getting allotment payments. Just have hunters start shooting those cattle, particularly Cliven’s.

And yeah, Ammon simply needs shot by the sheriff whose life he’s threatening, same as would have happened in every western I ever saw.

Bastards need to understand the value of a deed.

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ausador  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:13:04pm

re: #23 Botsplainer

John S. With OPB said that none of them were FLDS, all mainline church, during yesterday’s Q & A on Twitter.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:13:51pm

re: #17 Le Lapin Tueur

Why do all the crazy-site designers have stars as wallpaper? Is it a GeoCities theme transition or other woo in general?

I had noticed and mentioned that earlier. When I went to the site, the first thing that my brain screamed at me was “GEOCITIES”.

I don’t know what it it, but it seems that a lot of the sites favored by RWNJs look like they were done in the early 90’s.

RBS

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:13:57pm

re: #28 ausador

John S. With OPB said that none of them were FLDS, all mainline church, during yesterday’s Q & A on Twitter.

Save your electrons.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:14:25pm

Here’s another white supremacist with WhiteGenocide in his profile==>

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SoundGuy 2016  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:15:07pm
Open source media reports the presence of children at the Refuge. Significant backlash would follow an attempt to clear the compound without first exhausting all negotiations to remove the children from the area. If children perish during another government onslaught like Waco or Ruby Ridge, a large number of Americans have gone on the record to say that there will be the proverbial hell to pay. I believe this to be the case, too.

A best case scenario is one that ends with Ammon Bundy and the Occupiers having gotten their point across to the American People without blood being shed by either party.

So Bundy Bozos bring children there and LE will be responsible if harm comes their way.

Personal Responsibility.

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Tigger2  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:15:30pm

I deleted this tweet I put the wrong name on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:15:34pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

IIRC, the Oathkeepers will not be welcome with this crowd because they shit themselves and split on the rumor of a drone strike at Cliven’s ranch.

Oathkeepers are in Burns.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:16:07pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump retweets another white supremacist that he has already retweeted several times before==>

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From @keksec__org’s Twitter timeline:

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:16:27pm

re: #28 ausador

Thought Finicum was from Colorado City. Far as I knew, there are no “regular” Mormons in Colorado City.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:17:22pm

re: #28 ausador

John S. With OPB said that none of them were FLDS, all mainline church, during yesterday’s Q & A on Twitter.

John also said that not one of them are welcome in a temple again because those in charge of LDS said they are violating tenets of the faith.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:18:01pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oathkeepers are in Burns.

Then it’s a factional thing.

splcenter.org

“PAYNE (about OK Rhodes): We are open to gentlemanly conversation. But this man and the people that obeyed that order have violated my personal creed. You don’t fucking walk in and say, ‘I’m sorry,’ and you’re back in, brother. You can walk in and say you’re sorry, and you’re lucky that you’re not getting shot in the back. Because that’s what happens to deserters on the battlefield.”

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:18:44pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like bullshit to me. This kind of goofy thinking runs rampant among Mormons I know IRL.

I can’t talk to them any more.

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scottslemmons  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:18:57pm

At this point, I don’t think I’m expecting anything to happen to these guys. They’ll get to shoot all the locals they want, and the feds’ll let ‘em drive home with a hug and a stick of gum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:21:11pm

re: #36 Botsplainer

Thought Finicum was from Colorado City. Far as I knew, there are no “regular” Mormons in Colorado City.

He is from Arizona.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:23:59pm
Note that it has all the earmarks of a website created by a crazy person.

LOL, it looks a LOT like my very first “Hello World” HTML creation circa 1996, except I’m pretty sure mine had stars that actually blinked.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:25:01pm

re: #40 scottslemmons

At this point, I don’t think I’m expecting anything to happen to these guys. They’ll get to shoot all the locals they want, and the feds’ll let ‘em drive home with a hug and a stick of gum.

I don’t know what the feds are planning, but I know they are skittish on the prospect of a long term armed insurgency or another Oklahoma City event if there is a bloodbath here. The anti-gubmint wackos have been preparing for Ragnarok since Clinton’s first term.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:27:40pm
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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:29:08pm

re: #23 Botsplainer

The more I come into contact with and understand about Mormons, the more I despise, distrust and disrespect among their devout. Credulousness seems wired in, but what else would you expect, given their origin?

Replace that with “Muslims”. How does that sound now?

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:30:42pm

re: #45 Nyet

Replace that with “Muslims”. How does that sound now?

Muslims were started by a guy that didn’t want the government telling him how many wives he could have?

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:30:42pm

Also, karma -90.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:31:09pm

re: #47 Nyet

Also, karma -90.

generally shows up to stir shit.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:31:16pm

re: #46 Belafon

Muslims were started by a guy that didn’t want the government telling him how many wives he could have?

He had quite a lot of wives.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:31:25pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

This occupation has last for TWENTY TWO DAYS and still LEOs stand by and do nothing.

The perks of being White, male and armed.

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KingKenrod  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:32:51pm

I’m not sure what major crime the Feds could get these guys on right now. Minor stuff like trespassing and property crimes, sure.

But some people are talking about sedition, I don’t know if you could convince a jury of that (a real jury). The jury might see it as non-violent civil disobedience, not a real attempt to overthrow the Feds in the refuge.

The reason why these nuts want to keep the common law grand jury secret is because it likely includes real threats against law enforcement, which would be a serious crime.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:33:46pm

re: #21 fern01

And the people who buy his meat will know doubt blame the EPA for any issues they have with same.

You mean blame Obama per usual.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:34:36pm

re: #49 Nyet

He had quite a lot of wives.

I don’t doubt that, it was kind of the custom of the time.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:36:27pm

re: #53 Belafon

I don’t doubt that, it was kind of the custom of the time.

Duh.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:38:07pm

Shows once again that these fascist throwbacks are not against authority per se, they are just against authority other than their own.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:39:22pm

re: #45 Nyet

Replace that with “Muslims”. How does that sound now?

Mormonism does have a rather long standing history of armed resistance to the Federal Government (and then there was this nasty incident). That isn’t to say that most Mormons aren’t anything but nice people to be around. All the same, some interpretations of Mormonism remain deeply hostile to secular government and to outsiders who they consider to be deviants from Christianity.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:40:07pm

re: #56 Aunty Entity Dragon

Mormonism does have a rather long standing history of armed resistance to the Federal Government (and then there was this nasty incident). That isn’t to say that most Mormons aren’t anything but nice people to be around. All the same, some interpretations of Mormonism remain deeply hostile to secular government and to outsiders who they consider to be deviants from Christianity.

Sure, just as some interpretations of Islam (etc. etc.).

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Chez Ko Pe  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:41:06pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ev: “Nine dead animals ain’t gonna cost us nothing?”
Dan: “You’re so dumb you wouldn’t know rabbit turds from Rice Krispies! I’ll butcher up the meat like I always do and I’ll sell it to Dutch’s Café!”
— The Kesters discuss what to do with the rotting corpses of their mutilated cattle in The Giant Spider Invasion

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:43:56pm

re: #45 Nyet

Yeah, get your point. Don’t care.

Joe Smith was an obvious fraud at a time when people should have known better, and amassed a following anyway.

They were run out of every decent community east of the Mississippi for a good reason. These guys are simply the intellectual heirs of their moronic ancestors, as are the gay hating jackass elders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:44:28pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

This occupation has last for TWENTY TWO DAYS and still LEOs stand by and do nothing.

I still think that a non-escalation strategy is the best long game here.

These occupiers want noting more than to see an escalation and to provoke law enforcement into using force, which will be spun and offered as proof that the gummint is out to trample the rights of God-fearing American Patriots.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:44:41pm

re: #59 Botsplainer

Yeah, get your point. Don’t care.

Joe Smith was an obvious fraud at a time when people should have known better, and amassed a following anyway.

Sure, just as any prophet.

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:49:52pm

re: #61 Nyet

There’s a reason why you don’t get a lot of prophets arising in the last couple centuries - better nutrition, literacy, knowledge of written history and observations of the natural world. Sure, you get a few nutcase outliers gathered into cults, but people largely coalesce around older faith structures (which I concede are all lies, too, but they carry the weight of acculturated history and institutional control)..

The Mormons fall well outside the prevailing pattern, and have a faith structure goofier than any of the others.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:50:58pm

re: #62 Botsplainer

That’s all pretty irrelevant to you being an idiotic bigot.

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Chez Ko Pe  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:52:07pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

“You can walk in and say you’re sorry, and you’re lucky that you’re not getting shot in the back. Because that’s what happens to deserters on the battlefield.”

And because that’s where Mr. Warrior likes to shoot people, also too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:53:29pm

re: #63 Nyet

That’s all pretty irrelevant to you being an idiotic bigot.

Quick question - Are Scientologists any loonier than Mormons? Or is it a matter of time since founding and general acceptance by the population?

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:54:20pm

‘Nuff said.

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re: #54 FemNaziBitch

My solution to Jerusalem is the best. Give everybody 72 hours to clear the area with whatever they can carry, then drop daisycutters on each major religiously significant site (don’t want to poison the wider area with a nuke). Whoever wants to can move back in and start from scratch under the auspices of a rubble allocation plan administered by the UN.

I think it solves a shitload of problems in one fell swoop. We can invite any interested religious leaders to stay with their sites until the end, which would be a bonus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:56:06pm
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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:57:11pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

Quick question - Are Scientologists any loonier than Mormons? Or is it a matter of time since founding and general acceptance by the population?

All religion is loony. I’m not sure how you determine which is loonier. If you do, it’s subjective, and in that sense, as far as I’m concerned, the Mormon cosmology being a bit more complex than the scientological one, is also loonier. But that’s really neither here, nor there.

Scientologists are not a monolith either. You can’t compare CoS members with the Free Zone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:57:28pm

SGM = “fake Sergeant Major”

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:59:20pm

re: #63 Nyet

Have I said anything about the Mormon history and faith structure which isn’t true? Has there been a history of historically recent violence toward “Gentiles” (their term for non-Mormons)? Have they flexed institutional muscle against the rights of other Americans, like Prop 8? Have they some rather large offshoots of radical fundamentalists engaged in widespread lawbreaking and oppression, like FLDS? Have they set themselves apart and engaged in large scale evangelization of people they deem insufficiently Christian? Do they have racial exclusion as a policy in living memory of middle aged people?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 2:59:44pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stewart Rhodes is Oathkeepers.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:00:12pm

re: #70 Botsplainer

Dude, you’re a clown. Go away.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:02:17pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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SGM = “fake Sergeant Major”

I liked this fake Sergeant Major better.

DON’T JUST STAND THERE GAWPING LIKE YOU NEVER SEEN THE HAND OF GOD BEFORE!!
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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:05:08pm

re: #72 Nyet

And you’re a candyass excuser of extremist bullshit.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:06:27pm

Says the extremist bullshitter.

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:06:51pm

re: #72 Nyet

Let me guess - raised LDS? Why do you love them so much, because from where I sit, this round of Sagebrush nonsense is shot clear through by LDS ideas.

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Nyet  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:07:53pm

“You n****-lover.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:08:42pm

We appear to have descended to the ‘Poopy Head’ level of discourse.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:11:11pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

We appear to have descended to the ‘Poopy Head’ level of discourse.

Oh be quiet, biscuit head.
;)

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CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:11:12pm
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Shimshon  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:15:11pm

The government is out of control!

pause

Now send me more checks, government.

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:15:55pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The crime of felony” is some top notch lawyering.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:16:29pm

re: #76 Botsplainer

You create enough nonsense at Balloon Juice. Why the need to start shit here?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:18:51pm

re: #81 Shimshon

The government is out of control!

pause

Now send me more checks, government.

The Government is out of control, so we will establish these ‘Grand Juries’ comprised of crazy people who don’t live within the area where they claim jurisdiction who will make up their own rules and laws, unelected and subject to no oversight, and decide whether people chosen by Constitutional means and answerable to the people of their area are violating laws we invented!
//

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:21:27pm

re: #83 Aunty Entity Dragon

Why whimper?

This is a topic I’m interested in discussing and a behavior and belief pattern I noticed in this round of Sagebrush.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:24:13pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Booda Bear is back in the refuge, on the security detail. Here he is at Cliven’s last summer:

My guys sleep in the dirt out here, we’re on shifts for 14 hours a day and trying to make sure that this family stays safe and secure … and just so everybody knows, as Booda, head of security for the Bundy Family I can swear on the white skin that covers my ass there will not be an Oath Keeper — there WILL NOT BE AN OATH KEEPER allowed to set foot on the internal ranch property.

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BillinGlendaleCA  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:24:57pm

re: #83 Aunty Entity Dragon

They’re busy taking about handegg over there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:28:10pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Booda Bear is back in the refuge, on the security detail. Here he is at Cliven’s last summer:

My guys sleep in the dirt out here, we’re on shifts for 14 hours a day and trying to make sure that this family stays safe and secure … and just so everybody knows, as Booda, head of security for the Bundy Family I can swear on the white skin that covers my ass there will not be an Oath Keeper — there WILL NOT BE AN OATH KEEPER allowed to set foot on the internal ranch property.

I saw that he was back when he was sitting next to Ammon at the last public meeting at the high school gym.
I guess Oathkeepers are no longer a problem for him since they are most definitely there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:29:16pm
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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:30:18pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Wasn’t Booda the stolen valor dude?

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:35:04pm

The media would have us believe this Oregon standoff situation is a David vs Goliath story, a ranchers vs Federal conflict. I’m unconvinced.

Story: “The Dog-Whistle Politics of Seizing and Selling American Lands and Energy Resources in the West” Link: americanprogressaction.org
(Normal synthesis of title with URL link isn’t working for me here; sorry)
Excerpt:

The rationale for Republican support

The rationale for Republican presidential candidates to support seizing or selling off public lands is twofold. First, major backers of Republican candidates have a financial stake in opening federal lands to development. Secondly, supporting the land grab movement allows Republican candidates to make subtle overtures to the far-right wing of their base.

Protecting profits

Over the past five years, a coalition made up of conservative activists, anti-government extremists, and the conservative network built by billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch has reenergized the land grab movement. A 2012 Center for American Progress report profiled the emergence of this coalition and described how it has lobbied Western state legislatures to pass laws demanding that the federal government cede control of national forests and other public lands to state ownership. At the heart of the coalition are the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, an organization of conservative lawmakers that is funded by the fossil fuel industry and other corporations; the American Lands Council, or ALC, an organization with ties to the mining industry that is under investigation for ethics and lobbying violations; the Property and Environment Research Center, or PERC, which is funded by the Koch brothers; and Americans for Prosperity, which is also a Koch-funded organization. The mining and energy interests—including companies owned by Charles and David Koch—behind these groups would presumably reap substantial financial gains if U.S. public lands, energy resources, and minerals were transferred to state control or sold off to the highest bidder.

Pandering to anti-government extremists

In addition to resource extraction industries, which have a financial stake in the privatization or transfer of U.S. land and energy resources, the land grab movement is backed by anti-government activists, white supremacists, militias, and other extremist groups. According to a recent investigation of this network by the Center for Western Priorities, “The land seizure movement’s ideology is rooted in extreme antigovernment beliefs such as Posse Comitatus and County Supremacy, the idea that the federal government has no right to public lands and that the county sheriff is the final arbiter on any issue relating to their use.”

To me, it looks like quite a confluence of financial and political interests we have here, at many levels, from sea to shining sea.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:36:08pm

re: #90 Botsplainer

Wasn’t Booda the stolen valor dude?

One of them.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:36:39pm

re: #91 unproven innocence

The media would have us believe this Oregon standoff situation is a David vs Goliath story, a ranchers vs Federal conflict. I’m unconvinced.

Story: “The Dog-Whistle Politics of Seizing and Selling American Lands and Energy Resources in the West” Link: americanprogressaction.org
(Normal synthesis of title with URL link isn’t working for me here; sorry)
Excerpt:

To me, it looks like quite a confluence of financial and political interests we have here, at many levels, from sea to shining sea.

Almost like some vast right-wing conspiracy.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:38:15pm

re: #85 Botsplainer

Why whimper?

This is a topic I’m interested in discussing and a behavior and belief pattern I noticed in this round of Sagebrush.

We value communitarian spirit here even when we disagree. Hey, maybe you are completely right. I don’t know. I have had a row or two with nyet myself. Right now, though, your adversarial style is detracting from the argument. This isn’t Glenn Greenwald’s place where you “had to bring it hard” on a comment thread.

We are friends, and we try to keep things friendly….and religion is a touchy subject. Keep criticism grounded in facts and try not to paint with an overlarge brush (IE fundies do not stand for all Christians, obviously, and polygyny practicing Mormons do not represent all Mormons for example)

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 24, 2016 • 3:38:33pm

re: #90 Botsplainer

Wasn’t Booda the stolen valor dude?

I think so.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2016 • 4:01:41pm

::: sets up bait for troll :::

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2016 • 4:06:03pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Botsplainer  Jan 24, 2016 • 4:18:15pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

So now, civil government in that area can’t even interact with its citizenry away from Malheur and in the village center.

I don’t know why the Governor isn’t declaring a state of martial law, unless there are more than a couple of people in the militants’ camp that are active LE informants.

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BillinGlendaleCA  Jan 24, 2016 • 4:20:37pm

re: #98 Botsplainer

I’ve had a sneaking suspicion for a while that may be the case.

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Sophist: Make America Grate Again  Jan 24, 2016 • 4:22:31pm

re: #82 Botsplainer

“The crime of felony” is some top notch lawyering.

Can I plead it down to misdemeanor felony?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 24, 2016 • 4:38:30pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why should it rile the locals? Santilli isn’t a local so he shouldn’t have a dog in this fight to begin with.

It’s these interlocutors who are causing the problems. The sooner they get their asses out of there the better. This ‘Citizen’s Grand Jury’ should not recognize this out of state judge and tell the Bundy Militia to stand down immediately. If they do not stand down, the y will order that the local militia will be dissolved. Since there is no militia by order of the town’s militia dissolution order, their weapons can be confiscated without a Second Amendment violation.

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Fortitudine  Jan 24, 2016 • 5:15:25pm

Apparently our education system is doing a bad job teaching reading, math AND civics.

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mroop  Jan 24, 2016 • 7:26:35pm

I had a discussion with the nutcase Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch on Facebook. As I recall, he somehow stuck into a courthouse in Florida and convened a Common Law Grand Jury in the courthouse and was pretending it was legitimate. He probably did it in the cafeteria. Ha ha ha! I was asking him questions about it and he was refusing to answer and responding with nonsensical insanity. He’s a crazy person. I believe this is the paperwork.

Edit - I see that Charles already has the link and also said “crazy person”. This guy is out of his mind. He was smart enough to realize that I had him cornered and so he just stopped answering my questions.

wethepeoplecommonlawgrandjury.com

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Jay in Oregon  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:25:26am

Fundamentalist religious loons stage an armed takeover of a region, destroying the area, intimidating the local populace, and trying them according to their own “laws”.

Putting the “Taliban” in “Talibanjo”, for sure.

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zerosumgame0005  Jan 25, 2016 • 1:01:56pm

re: #49 Nyet

He had quite a lot of wives.

did you duck so the point sailed right over you?

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WCBadger  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:19:31pm

I don’t see a peaceful resolution:

wweek.com


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