With Ignorant Statements About the “One China” Policy, Trump Risks War

Orange fascist clown continues provoking nuclear power with dumb comments about “deals”
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He hasn’t even taken office yet, but Donald Trump is already playing dangerous games with China and risking nuclear war.

Yesterday on Fox News, Trump blathered ignorantly about China and Taiwan again, threatening to use the “One China” policy as a bargaining chip in “deals:”

“I don’t know why we have to be bound by a One China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade. … I mean, look … we’re being hurt very badly by China with devaluation; with taxing us heavy at the borders when we don’t tax them; with building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing; and, frankly, with not helping us at all with North Korea.”

Today in the Washington Post, Steven M. Goldstein, director of the Taiwan Studies Workshop, explains why this isn’t just an ignorant statement — it risks dragging the US into a pointless and unnecessary war with China.

Trump’s suggestion that One China is another bargaining chip, which the United States can play or not play as it likes, is both misleading and risky. On the one hand, it apparently misses the subtle, but extremely significant, differences between the American “one China policy” and the Chinese “one China principle.” On the other, it endangers the central tenet of American policy in the area — the maintenance of the status quo. The Trump transition team has already referred to Tsai Ing-wen as “President of Taiwan.” This publicly undermines the only aspect of the One China issue where the United States and China actually agree — that Taiwan is not a state, while starkly exposing the reality of the quasi state-to-state relationship that the American One China policy obscures. By using Taiwan’s status as a negotiating ploy, Trump is doubling down on this dangerous strategy. China’s vital national interests are in conflict with U.S. policy, and stable relations are fragile, because all the parties are unhappy with the present situation. If the incoming administration persists in its apparent careless indifference, it runs the risk of grossly destabilizing U.S.-China relations, and even risks war.

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144 comments
1
Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:36:07am

We’ll lose a couple of aircraft carriers, China will take control of Taiwan, and Fox will call it a false flag operation.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:41:13am

As I said earlier, China could actually do worse than nuclear war. They have enough money and assets invested in our country, along with tons of our debt.

They can and will exact pain… lots and lots of pain. Enough to destroy the economy, our currency and the republic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:42:36am

re: #1 Belafon

We’ll lose a couple of aircraft carriers, China will take control of Taiwan, and Fox will call it a false flag operation.

Trump thinks everyone can be dominated, because so far, everyone has been. When he runs into a person or country, or group of countries that he can’t dominate, it will not go well.

Domination politics works great, right up until it fails spectacularly.

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:44:36am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:44:48am

re: #2 Myron Falwell (no relation)

As I said earlier, China could actually do worse than nuclear war. They have enough money and assets invested in our country, along with tons of our debt.

They can and will exact pain… lots and lots of pain. Enough to destroy the economy, our currency and the republic.

This. In a sane world, with a sane President, China owning a lot of our debt is not a problem because dumping it would be very much to their disadvantage. Change the conditions, change the calculus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:46:12am

re: #4 Kragar

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Yeah, but Ducklips Pirro said we need to be for or against America, meaning Trump of course, so demanding that Trump be held accountable is clearly treasonous.
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:49:45am

re: #4 Kragar

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Dems will have to win the House for that to happen.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:53:36am

China is Bugs and His Ass-Holeyness is Daffy.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:58:12am

Ha Ha….

Tomi’s so predictable.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:58:48am

re: #8 Joe Bacon

China is Bugs and His Ass-Holeyness is Daffy.

Heh, China is Bugs and Trump is Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius.

Wile E Coyote, Super Genius

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:59:45am
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:00:50pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Wait until she justifies it by saying at least they’re not gay for each other.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:01:54pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

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God she’s a dense hack.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:02:48pm

And let’s not even mention that he sent out both Bolton and Fiorina to speculate as to whether it was China who actually hacked DNC servers.

Basically accusing them of an act of war.

He’s not going to see the consequences of fucking around like this until after the damage is done.

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:03:47pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:03:53pm

re: #14 makeitstop

And let’s not even mention that he sent out both Bolton and Fiorina to speculate as to whether it was China who actually hacked DNC servers.

Basically accusing them of an act of war.

He’s NEVER not going to see the consequences of fucking around like this until after the damage is done.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:04:37pm

One thing that Trump doesn’t quite get is that the foundation of all the defensive pacts we’ve signed since WWII is that they go into effect only if a foreign power attacks us, not the other way around. If Trump chooses to provoke a war with China, then our allies are under no obligation to help us in any way. And our allies in the region have more reasons to maintain the present status quo and thus the useful fiction of the One China Policy than they do to support an independent Taiwan. So they could very well decide, in the face of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, to just throw up their hands and say “It’s not our fight!” Just losing our forward bases in Japan would massively complicate any effort to retake Taiwan from the PLA.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:05:15pm

re: #15 Kragar

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FFS, they haven’t even had their 9/11 and already they’re pulling the “With Us Or Against Us!” shit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:05:57pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

FFS, they haven’t even had their 9/11 and already they’re pulling the “With Us Or Against Us!” shit.

Trump ‘winning’ was enough I guess.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:06:18pm

re: #3 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump thinks everyone can be dominated, because so far, everyone has been. When he runs into a person or country, or group of countries that he can’t dominate, it will not go well.

Domination politics works great, right up until it fails spectacularly.

And when it does fail, the failure will be too much for the usual bullshit artists to cover up. The failure will be worse than even our most vivid imagination can conjure ATM.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:06:30pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

FFS, they haven’t even had their 9/11 and already they’re pulling the “With Us Or Against Us!” shit.

Personally, I have absolutely no problem in stating loudly and publicly that I’m against THEM.
#Resist

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:06:32pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

FFS, they haven’t even had their 9/11 and already they’re pulling the “With Us Or Against Us!” shit.

“With us or against us” except for the 8 years when they opposed everything that Obama said & did.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:07:34pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Trump ‘winning’ was enough our 9/11, I guess.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:08:31pm

re: #15 Kragar

That’s one of those statements where any response other than “Fuck you” is inappropriate, and “Fuck you” is still currently not allowed on television.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:09:09pm

Interesting post from The Atlantic. It describes two factions in Conservatism - Ideological Conservatives and ‘Civilizational’ Conservatives. The former are basically the Neocons. The latter are the Theocrats, Islamophobes, and White Nationalists.

It explains a lot of things, including why Trump, who seemed so improbable, won over the GOP. Also explains why so much of the GOP base not only doesn’t worry about Russian interference in the election, or Trump’s remarkably pro-Russia stances, but actually applauds both.

The other day, someone on Twitter remarked that the rise of the Tea Party had led to the election of the least ideological Republican candidate. They seemed to find this surprising, but as I posted then, the Tea Party was never about ideology. It was about white revanchism.

I suppose you could say the Fascists are more inclusive, 71 years after their initial defeat. Back then, it was all about Die Deutsche Volk, and Slavs were considered to be inferior. Now? All you gotta be is white.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:09:32pm

Anyone remember the good old days when the Republican Party wanted to attack Russia for invading Georgia and mocked Obama for trying to improve relations with Russia?

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:10:32pm

re: #26 Timothy Watson

Anyone remember the good old days when the Republican Party wanted to attack Russia for invading Georgia and mocked Obama for trying to improve relations with Russia?

I ‘member.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:11:25pm

re: #26 Timothy Watson

Anyone remember the good old days when the Republican Party wanted to attack Russia for invading Georgia and mocked Obama for trying to improve relations with Russia?

They were prepared to start WWIII over Crimea and declared that refusal to start shooting over it was a betrayal of everything we stood for.

Now we’ve a president-elect who says the annexation of Crimea was completely legit and sees no reason to fight with the Russians at all.

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jeffreyw  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:11:26pm

Lunch time!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:11:49pm

re: #25 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #15 Kragar

Jesus, it’s almost like she wanted to provide the perfect example of what the Atlantic article was talking about!

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:17:32pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:18:40pm

re: #31 Kragar

Oh, he doesn’t actually like that book.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:19:53pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

They were prepared to start WWIII over Crimea and declared that refusal to start shooting over it was a betrayal of everything we stood for.

Now we’ve a president-elect who says the annexation of Crimea was completely legit and sees no reason to fight with the Russians at all.

We have always been at war with Russia Crimea.

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coin operated  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:20:04pm

The Taiwanese were not pleased with Shitgibbon’s comments either. I don’t think they fancy being used as a poker chip in this game.

It’s going to be ugly when Trump hits that wall he’s never encountered before…a power that is immune to his brand of dominance politics. I just hope there’s a minimum of collateral damage when it happens.

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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:20:16pm

re: #31 Kragar

The money quote from that article:

He travels the country with his wife, spreading the gospel to people who are, for the most part, minding their own business.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:20:27pm

re: #26 Timothy Watson

Anyone remember the good old days when the Republican Party wanted to attack Russia for invading Georgia and mocked Obama for trying to improve relations with Russia?

You should tweet this, if you haven’t already.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:20:46pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

They were prepared to start WWIII over Crimea and declared that refusal to start shooting over it was a betrayal of everything we stood for.

Now we’ve a president-elect who says the annexation of Crimea was completely legit and sees no reason to fight with the Russians at all.

It’s a two-fer. First they say Obama was naive not to see Russia as The Big Danger when Mittens said it in 2012, but then Obama is choosing MOOZLIMZ!!! over a nice Christian country like Russia. Just this morning I saw this from Mike Fucking Huckabee:

Wait, what?

I’m struggling to understand why, if you feel like Putin has been outsmarting Obama, you’d choose someone who comes into office insisting we need to be more accommodating toward Putin. It’s like they gave up even trying to make sense.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:22:11pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a two-fer. First they say Obama was naive not to see Russia as The Big Danger when Mittens said it in 2012, but then Obama is choosing MOOZLIMZ!!! over a nice Christian country like Russia. Just this morning I saw this from Mike Fucking Huckabee:

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I’m struggling to understand why, if you feel like Putin has been outsmarting Obama, you’d choose someone who comes into office insisting we need to be more accommodating toward Putin. It’s like they gave up even trying to make sense.

They don’t have a real ideology. Just hate.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:22:29pm

re: #31 Kragar

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Who is this about?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:23:32pm

In the words of Queen Elizabeth, “tinkety tonk, old fruit, and down with the nazis.”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:24:00pm

re: #34 coin operated

The Taiwanese were not pleased with Shitgibbon’s comments either. I don’t think they fancy being used as a poker chip in this game.

It’s going to be ugly when Trump hits that wall he’s never encountered before…a power that is immune to his brand of dominance politics. I just hope there’s a minimum of collateral damage when it happens.

The pain will commence right after the inauguration ceremony. Trump has nowhere to go but down, down and … down.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:25:33pm

re: #34 coin operated

The Taiwanese were not pleased with Shitgibbon’s comments either. I don’t think they fancy being used as a poker chip in this game.

It’s going to be ugly when Trump hits that wall he’s never encountered before…a power that is immune to his brand of dominance politics. I just hope there’s a minimum of collateral damage when it happens.

That’s what people who think Trump was being good to Taiwan don’t get. Trump put them in danger.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:28:34pm

We’re gonna need some biiiiiiig goats.

I don’t know yet how we will deploy them….

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:29:18pm

re: #25 Blind Frog Belly White

The other day, someone on Twitter remarked that the rise of the Tea Party had led to the election of the least ideological Republican candidate.

The least ideological Republican candidate but not the least ideological Republican PEOTUS. As a candidate he was pretty unorthodox for a Republican. But his appointments so far are about as wingnutty as could be imagined.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:29:32pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

We’re gonna need some biiiiiiig goats.

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I don’t know yet how we will deploy them….

THINK OF THE STEAKS!!!!

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:30:16pm

Pirro must think that everyone is a FOX News viewer and buys in to FOX bullshit.

Sorry judge…not buying your fascist request.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:30:26pm
I don’t know why we have to be bound by a One China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade.

Everything we do with China - including our current trade deals - is based, in very large part, on at least symbolic adherence to the One China policy. This really shouldn’t be difficult to understand, even for an incurious moron like Trump.

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electrotek  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:30:52pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

We’re gonna need some biiiiiiig goats.

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I don’t know yet how we will deploy them….

Wait til some snow leopards get their hands on them.

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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:32:02pm

Must go put laundry away.
Then maybe I’ll think about getting out the Christmas decorations. So far all we’ve managed is the Christmas mugs, but I think it is time for some other random stuff. Which is about all we manage to do most years. A friend was on one of those “Christmas Home Tour” things this year. Her house looks amazing. Mine will not. And it’s OK. I’ll just go look at her house again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:32:26pm

re: #44 Sir John Barron

The least ideological Republican candidate but not the least ideological Republican PEOTUS. As a candidate he was pretty unorthodox for a Republican. But his appointments so far are about as wingnutty as could be imagined.

But also in line with the Tea Party base’s worship of the military and the rich, and their disdain for people who actually worked hard to learn everything they could about stuff like International Relations, Science, or Economics.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:32:32pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

THINK OF THE STEAKS!!!!

I was thinking of the stakes, but we will have steaks in reserve….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:34:51pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

We’re gonna need some biiiiiiig goats.

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I don’t know yet how we will deploy them….

That must be the Big Billy Goat Gruff, the one who got rid of the troll (folderol, folderol)

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:36:23pm

re: #49 calochortus

Must go put laundry away.
Then maybe I’ll think about getting out the Christmas decorations. So far all we’ve managed is the Christmas mugs, but I think it is time for some other random stuff. Which is about all we manage to do most years. A friend was on one of those “Christmas Home Tour” things this year. Her house looks amazing. Mine will not. And it’s OK. I’ll just go look at her house again.

Our landlady/duplex-mate put one string of lights across the porch rail. I think we should add to it. She’s been depressed since the election (more than some).

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:36:34pm

re: #25 Blind Frog Belly White

Interesting post from The Atlantic. It describes two factions in Conservatism - Ideological Conservatives and ‘Civilizational’ Conservatives. The former are basically the Neocons. The latter are the Theocrats, Islamophobes, and White Nationalists.

It explains a lot of things, including why Trump, who seemed so improbable, won over the GOP. Also explains why so much of the GOP base not only doesn’t worry about Russian interference in the election, or Trump’s remarkably pro-Russia stances, but actually applauds both.

The other day, someone on Twitter remarked that the rise of the Tea Party had led to the election of the least ideological Republican candidate. They seemed to find this surprising, but as I posted then, the Tea Party was never about ideology. It was about white revanchism.

I suppose you could say the Fascists are more inclusive, 71 years after their initial defeat. Back then, it was all about Die Deutsche Volk, and Slavs were considered to be inferior. Now? All you gotta be is white.

Fascist Dilution!

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:38:05pm

re: #29 jeffreyw

Lunch time!

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Needs more green peppers…but yeah…yum!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:38:12pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

Fascist Dilution!

But Jewish is still not quite kosher. So, there’s that.

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:38:36pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:42:29pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

But Jewish is still not quite kosher. So, there’s that.

Shhhh…don’t ask don’t tell. Who’s Jewish???

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:42:49pm

Who woulda thunk!

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:43:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:44:12pm

re: #2 Myron Falwell (no relation)

As I said earlier, China could actually do worse than nuclear war. They have enough money and assets invested in our country, along with tons of our debt.

They can and will exact pain… lots and lots of pain. Enough to destroy the economy, our currency and the republic.

Agreed. I doubt China is interested in a war against the US.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:46:03pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

Who woulda thunk!

The question becomes how to find out who did it?

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Mike Lamb  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:48:50pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

I get that I’m pissing up a rope using logic here, but does Jones or Greenwald or Trump or whoever is pushing back against the WaPo report really, truly believe that there would such a strong bipartisan response if there was nothing to substanitate it?

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:49:08pm

re: #63 Belafon

The question becomes how to find out who did it?

Someone whose last name starts with “T” or “K” would be my guess.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:49:48pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

Someone who’s last name starts with “T” or “K” would be my guess.

Uday, Qusay, or Evita?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:50:13pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

“With us or against us” except for the 8 years when they opposed everything that Obama said & did.

But but but Obummer was Negro. And Muslim. And Kenyan. That was different.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:50:19pm

re: #63 Belafon

The question becomes how to find out who did it?

Good luck with that. After the Wall Street types were doing all the crazy crap they were doing that brought down the economy in 2007/8 I don’t think anyone is going to help find out. If anything, they will gather together to figure out when these Trump statements are ready to come out so they can get in on the action.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:51:51pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:52:19pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

That Alex Jones won’t get behind a conspiracy theory says a lot about the possible validity of the theory.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:54:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:56:23pm
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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:56:29pm

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

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Shots fired! LOL

I was just coming to post this.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:59:47pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:59:57pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Absolutely no evidence has been produced to substantiate the conspiracy theory. infowars.com

— Alex Jones

But Jade Helm was totes real.

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S'latch  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:00:32pm

Maybe when Donald Trump gets us all killed we will realize what a mistake we made and start voting more responsibly.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:01:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:01:39pm

re: #76 S’latch

Maybe when Donald Trump gets us all killed we will realize what a mistake we made and start voting more responsibly.

Maybe we are all dead already and we don’t know it because we are all living inside an M. Night Shyalaman movie.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:01:58pm
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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:02:23pm

re: #76 S’latch

Maybe when Donald Trump gets us all killed we will realize what a mistake we made and start voting more responsibly.

Well, according to Trump lots of dead people voted (for Democrats of course). So there’s that.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:03:24pm

re: #73 makeitstop

Shots fired! LOL

I was just coming to post this.

You are a coward hiding in a foreign nation, a thin-skinned bully to those who oppose you, and a traitor.

Good day, sir. I said GOOD DAY.

— Eric Garland

Was that as good for you as it was for me?

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:03:42pm

re: #76 S’latch

Maybe when Donald Trump gets us them all killed we they will realize what a mistake we they made and start voting more responsibly.

That’s how I prefer to think about it, but I know it doesn’t work that way.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:04:05pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe we are all dead already and we don’t know it because we are all living inside an M. Night Shyalaman movie.

Maybe The Matrix is sick of those rebelling humans and is deciding to torture the ones still being held captive.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:04:56pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

We have no choice but to treat them as being guilty until proven otherwise, just to endure this derp DARVO.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:05:16pm

re: #81 Sir John Barron

Was that as good for you as it was for me?

I feel the urge to light up a cigarette.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:06:34pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe we are all dead already and we don’t know it because we are all living inside an M. Night Shyalaman movie.

As long as it’s not ‘The Lady In The Water’. That was just … dumb.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:07:03pm

what is this utter shit

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:07:34pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

As long as it’s not ‘The Lady In The Water’. That was just … dumb.

“The Village” was dumber.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:08:16pm

re: #76 S’latch

Maybe when Donald Trump gets us all killed we will realize what a mistake we made and start voting more responsibly.

The Republicans are too far removed from reality to be saved. You’d have to forcibly remove them all from office and outlaw the party.

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S'latch  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:08:32pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

A PhD, rocket science, friend of mine explained to me that by destroying our environment, we are really only killing ourselves. Th Earth will green itself again and some other species will replace us. For some reason, it made me feel better. I realized my view is too anthropocentric.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:08:56pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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Made me think of this….

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:10:42pm

re: #90 S’latch

A PhD, rocket science, friend of mine explained to me that by destroying our environment, we are really only killing ourselves. Th Earth will green itself again and some other species will replace us. For some reason, it made me feel better. I realized my view is too anthropocentric.

I had a similar thought seeing the weeds coming up through the pavement yesterday.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:10:45pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

“The Village” was dumber.

IMO, The Village made more sense. TLITW just pulled a mythology out of its ass.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:12:10pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Our landlady/duplex-mate put one string of lights across the porch rail. I think we should add to it. She’s been depressed since the election (more than some).

That’s why I decorated outside and put up the silly mini tree inside. It cheered mr. klys up, at least a little bit.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:12:51pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

This one is next

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:13:23pm
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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:15:45pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe we are all dead already and we don’t know it because we are all living inside an M. Night Shyalaman movie.

What a tweest!

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:16:36pm

re: #81 Sir John Barron

Was that as good for you as it was for me?

Probably every bit.

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:17:15pm
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jeffreyw  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:20:10pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

Needs more green peppers…but yeah…yum!

Or one less…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:22:22pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Ah, Kellyanne starting up the ol’ gaslight job. What a piece of work.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:23:56pm

[…]

By implying those white middle American, lower-middle income voters will be turned off by Ellison’s race and religion, Keillor is, ironically, feeding into the very problem he’s trying to solve. The “protest votes” in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were trying to give a “middle finger to Washington,” Keillor suggests. He thinks calling them racists is a good way to win them back.

[…]

Racists are not known for being smart. Keillor’s retirement and replacement is one of the good things from 2016.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:26:06pm

re: #90 S’latch

A PhD, rocket science, friend of mine explained to me that by destroying our environment, we are really only killing ourselves. Th Earth will green itself again and some other species will replace us. For some reason, it made me feel better. I realized my view is too anthropocentric.

We won’t ‘destroy’ the environment. What we have done and will continue to do is CHANGE the environment. Some species will do well. Others will do poorly.

Humans developed civilization in the last 10,000 years, a time of rare stability in Earth’s climate. We were able to develop agriculture because we could move to where it rained enough, and reliably enough, to grow crops. We could build cities on rivers and coastal plains because flooding was rare enough. Now, maybe we’ve knocked the whole thing off the knife edge. Maybe it goes back to being unpredictable, which would make all the things that civilization depends on also unreliable. But whatever else happens, life will survive, and adapt, and flourish again. With, or without us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:28:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:31:59pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:32:06pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

what is this utter shit

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Kellyanne is just awful.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:33:06pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:33:40pm

re: #107 Dave In Austin

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Worse. If possible.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:34:20pm
110
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:37:13pm

Annoying Leftie Take Of The Week: The US interfered in lots of elections over the years, so we shouldn’t complain!

Runner Up: Why do you want to declare war on Russia?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:37:13pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

I’m having one of those days where I feel like the dog on the left.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:37:57pm

re: #111 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m having one of those days where I feel like the dog on the left.

The one with x-ray eyes!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:41:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:42:18pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It ain’t just the Brits.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:42:24pm

re: #108 Sir John Barron

Worse. If possible.

Greenwood never met an opportunity to defend Putin he didn’t like.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:43:56pm

I think the last time we tried it was Venezuela, and I didn’t like it at all.

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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:44:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:46:20pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

Annoying Leftie Take Of The Week: The US interfered in lots of elections over the years, so we shouldn’t complain!

Runner Up: Why do you want to declare war on Russia?

So stupid.

119
Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:46:22pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

Runner Up: Why do you want to declare war on Russia?

Make America Appease Again

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:46:42pm

re: #116 Belafon

I think the last time we tried it was Venezuela, and I didn’t like it at all.

Yeah I didn’t like Chavez one bit but that was wrong.

121
HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:47:19pm

Fuck Putin’s apologists left and right.

122
Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:48:09pm

When Putin gobbles up NATO:

NATO is old Europe. Absolutely no evidence Putin hurt NATO in anyway even though NATO no longer exists.

US and NATO deserved it.

123
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:49:07pm
124
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:49:59pm

kewl

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:52:37pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

kewl

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Looks like something from Mars the candy maker.

/my mind has more than one track, I assure you

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:52:44pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

kewl

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More like “COLD!!!!”

Freezing out the atmosphere like this limits how cold the surface can get to the frost point at -130 degrees Celsius (-200 F)

Now that’s where Elsa should have sung “Let it Go”… Brrrr….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:53:25pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

Looks like something from Mars the candy maker.

/my mind has more than one track, I assure you

That track being chocolate?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:57:39pm

re: #126 William Lewis

More like “COLD!!!!”

Now that’s where Elsa should have sung “Let it Go”… Brrrr….

“Yeah, but it’s a dry heat cold!”
//

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:59:29pm

re: #127 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That track being chocolate?

I had this Page open for a long time. I pre-deleted my comment. I am not ready to discuss how important brownies have been to my recovery. But I have gained no weight.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:01:07pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

I had this Page open for a long time. I pre-deleted my comment. I am not ready to discuss how important brownies have been to my recovery. But I have gained no weight.

Even if you had, recovery is a good and important thing.

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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:02:35pm

re: #130 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Even if you had, recovery is a good and important thing.

So is chocolate. ;-)

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:05:55pm

re: #130 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Even if you had, recovery is a good and important thing.

I used to be so not image conscious. But since last week when the guy asked me if I was homeless, now before I leave the house, instead of asking Mr. w if I look dressed, I ask him if I look housed.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:07:44pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

I used to be so not image conscious. But since last week when the guy asked me if I was homeless, now before I leave the house, instead of asking Mr. w if I look dressed, I ask him if I look housed.

I hope you at least got a dollar from the guy.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:09:37pm

re: #133 Barefoot Grin

I hope you at least got a dollar from the guy.

Thought of sticking my hand out next time. Not quick enough this time.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:11:47pm

No shit.

He rules by dominance.

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allegro  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:13:41pm

re: #135 Stanley Sea

No shit.

He rules by dominance.

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Kinda amazing… or not… how absolutely correct about this guy we are every single time.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:14:32pm

Welp, there goes my relaxing night. My fiancée’s friend has decided to drop by, and I cannot stand her. She always wants to talk politics but doesn’t even have a basic grasp on any of the issues. What’s worse is she thinks her ignorance should be weighted equally against other people’s knowledge. She voted Trump because “her family always votes republican”. Voting republican is fine, but at least know why you’re doing it. I’m going to retreat to my fire pit with a bottle of wine.

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:14:34pm

re: #101 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ah, Kellyanne starting up the ol’ gaslight job. What a piece of work.

And telling Rupert that one of his employees is being disloyal. What a total POS she is.

139
lawhawk  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:14:48pm

re: #4 Kragar

The House finally shit-canned the Benghazi hearings. They couldn’t find anything to pin on Clinton (or Obama) and there were no crimes committed.

No crime. No wrongdoing. But a whole lot of GOP bs. Endless streams of fetid BS.

It was never about facts. It was always about smearing Clinton with the appearance of wrongdoing. The hearings where Clinton spent the better part of 12 hours in front of the committee rebutting their nonsense showed just how idiotic the whole thing was.

We’ll have spent millions of dollars, multiple investigations and years on the hearings into what happened with Benghazi - a tragic terror attack to be certain. That’s several years and many more investigations than the GOP held into the 9/11 attacks. Or what happened with the Russians interfering in the US election that was just held.

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jhncsy  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:17:53pm

Christ, I hope China at least waits for Trump to take office before punishing us for his stupidity.

I mean, the idiots will still blame Obama for Trump’s actions, but it might make it harder for them.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:18:37pm

re: #137 Arkansawyer

I say unload on her (politely, of course.)
Give your relationship a pre-marriage stress test.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:25:51pm

re: #141 Jebediah, RBG

I say unload on her (politely, of course.)
Give your relationship a pre-marriage stress test.

Oh, this woman has already caused a few stress tests. She’s a constant thorn in my side. I’ve learned to just walk away when she starts talking.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:26:25pm

re: #142 Arkansawyer

Oh, this woman has already caused a few stress tests. She’s a constant thorn in my side. I’ve learned to just walk away when she starts talking.

I hope it’s a good bottle of wine.

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m0nkeyb0y  Dec 12, 2016 • 3:10:42pm

re: #139 lawhawk

The House finally shit-canned the Benghazi hearings. They couldn’t find anything to pin on Clinton (or Obama) and there were no crimes committed.

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No crime. No wrongdoing. But a whole lot of GOP bs. Endless streams of fetid BS.

It was never about facts. It was always about smearing Clinton with the appearance of wrongdoing. The hearings where Clinton spent the better part of 12 hours in front of the committee rebutting their nonsense showed just how idiotic the whole thing was.

We’ll have spent millions of dollars, multiple investigations and years on the hearings into what happened with Benghazi - a tragic terror attack to be certain. That’s several years and many more investigations than the GOP held into the 9/11 attacks. Or what happened with the Russians interfering in the US election that was just held.

Hillary may well be the most vetted human in the Earth’s history.


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