Stand Back, Funk Approaching: Mark Lettieri, “Naptime (Things of That Nature)”

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Oh man. This groove is absolutely ferocious.

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First single from the album, “Things of That Nature,” releasing worldwide on Oct. 18, 2019 from GroundUP Music.

“Naptime” written and produced by Mark Lettieri

Personnel:
Mark Lettieri: guitars
Jason “JT” Thomas: drums
Wes Stephenson: bass
Shaun Martin: keyboards

Recorded and mixed by Joey Lomas at January Sound Studios
Mastered by Dave McNair

Filmed and edited by Andy Laviolette

© 2019 Markus Justinius Music (SESAC)
© 2019 GroundUP Music

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240 comments

1
Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 12:58:23pm

Switched my Twitter avatar to the infamous Tom Tomorrow portrait, back during the wingnut interlude.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2019 • 12:59:51pm

This is unbelievable, and completely real.

JPMorgan now has a Volfefe Index. It measures Trump’s tweets and their impact on volatility. (Thread)

I do not believe a ticker symbol has been issued for this, but I suspect it’s not going to be long in coming.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 12:59:51pm

Just discovered that image looking through some older stuff, I’d forgotten about it. It was for a Village Voice article slamming wingnut bloggers.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:00:17pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:03:50pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Kind of makes you look like Weird Al…

…that’s a compliment, of course!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:06:04pm

I think he was going for a slightly crazed look, which I’m fine with.

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:11:01pm

I didn’t know this, how sad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:16:10pm

re: #7 plansbandc

I didn’t know this, how sad.

Veterinarians Are Killing Themselves. An Online Group Is There To Listen And Help

The last peofession I would associate with an elevated risk of suicide.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:19:50pm

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The last peofession I would associate with an elevated risk of suicide.

Imagine having to tell all those people their family member has to be put to sleep, way more often than a human doctor has to tell their patients’ families that a loved one is dying and there’s nothing they can do.

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BlueGrl21  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:23:36pm

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The last peofession I would associate with an elevated risk of suicide.

My much, much loved psychiatrist took his own life. Some of these professions you would think would have a lower suicide risk for various reasons are actually elevated. Psychiatrists have some of the highest in the medical community, which already struggles with an inflated rate.

google.com

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:24:41pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:24:49pm

re: #9 Belafon

Or having an animal die in surgery and get blamed and slammed on social media.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:28:35pm

re: #11 Ace-o-aces

Bing a pacifist is not being passive

Not being a domineering, trolling, misogynistic , pussy-grsbbing jerk is not being passive

Not pursuing your own self-interest regardless of its consequences for your surroundings and society is not being passive

Not taking delight in others’ misfortune and suffering is not being passive

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Weaselone  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:33:00pm

re: #12 plansbandc

The other half of this is opportunity and ability. Vets and other medical professions have an easier time getting drugs they can use to successfully commit suicide than the general public.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:37:22pm

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:53:17pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 1:59:49pm

Passive men don’t stop elections being hacked.

Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide for the common good.

Passive men don’t lead, they just whine and tweet.

Passive men don’t do the things everyone needs for society to thrive.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:02:17pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:05:40pm

re: #18 Belafon

Those are great ideas and I hope they come to fruition.

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Jay C  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:11:49pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Izzat you, Charles?

Just IMO, a better image/icon/avatar than your “normal” punnim.

No offense meant whatsoever, man….

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DangerMan  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:17:23pm

re: #19 PhillyPretzel

Those are great ideas and I hope they come to fruition.

And some good numbers
279k hearts
114k talking about it

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:21:50pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:29:44pm
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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:32:08pm

Twitter typos piss me off.

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sagehen  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:37:21pm

re: #18 Belafon

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I have mixed feelings about free college for everyone.

Sure, free college made all the difference in the world to my family — but that’s because my parents went to college at a time when fewer than 25% of people did, and they needed it to prepare for Med school and Law school, but…

Building trades, health care and beauty and other personal care workers, 3/4 of restaurant staff, and another dozen or so of the highest-employment fields, a year of vocational school is plenty to make them good at their jobs. For retail workers or warehouse workers, high school should be enough.

Another 100K worth of education for EVERYBODY is probably not the most cost-effective way to improve people’s lives, or society at large.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:45:49pm

re: #25 sagehen

I assume that even with free universities, everyone won’t be interested in pursuing higher education. For those who want to do so, they shouldn’t be saddled with huge debts which take decades to pay off.

A girlfriend of mine who graduated from university in 1998 is still paying off her school debt and it’s a huge amount. She’s just thankful that it won’t be passed down to her children.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:49:19pm

re: #9 Belafon

Imagine having to tell all those people their family member has to be put to sleep, way more often than a human doctor has to tell their patients’ families that a loved one is dying and there’s nothing they can do.

When I said goodbye to Daisy this past Spring, it was after three very stressful weeks of ups and downs, doing everything possible to make her comfortable in the hopes that the every small improvement might BE THE ONE that meant she was turning the corner. Alas, it was not to be. But I was thankful for the 17 very happy years.

Every time we’ve had to make the Rainbow Bridge decision, we have been very sincere in our thanks to our veterinarians for making the passage easy for ALL of us, instead of forcing continued suffering with no hope of it getting better.

Every. Single. Time.

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:49:45pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

How about paid trade school for people who don’t want to go to college?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:49:50pm

Yep.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:50:06pm

re: #28 plansbandc

How about paid trade school for people who don’t want to go to college?

Perfect. That makes sense.

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sagehen  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:53:16pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

I assume that even with free universities, everyone won’t be interested in pursuing higher education. For those who want to do so, they shouldn’t be saddled with huge debts which take decades to pay off.

A girlfriend of mine who graduated from university in 1998 is still paying off her school debt and it’s a huge amount. She’s just thankful that it won’t be passed down to her children.

Half the people who are “interested in pursuing higher education” — it’s just because “isn’t that what people my age supposed to do?” Or because it can be a 4-year party. It’s nothing to do with how they’re going to earn a living. I don’t mind paying for public education for people whose goal is something that requires an education to do it well, but if high school were more rigorous, that should be enough. For a lot of jobs/careers, an extra 3 or 4 years of doing whatever it is they’re going to do, with that extra 3 or 4 years of income (10% of their lifetime earnings), will do more to enhance their lives and benefit society at large.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 2:54:52pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Switched my Twitter avatar to the infamous Tom Tomorrow portrait, back during the wingnut interlude.

Well, here’s a word salad in replies in that Dennis Prager nonsense video:

I won’t take that apart here because my brain is tired and I don’t want to injure it. Suffice to say it reads like “1984’s” line “war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.”

What are words? Why do we even use them?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:01:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:02:39pm

re: #28 plansbandc

How about paid trade school for people who don’t want to go to college?

This.

I was blocked from college due to extreme poverty as a child. Had I been wealthy enough to even qualify for a loan I would have gone, but that did not happen and never will.

That said, college should be available to everyone who qualifies for it. As it is now, we are regressing back to the pre-WW2 era where only the wealthy and connected can go. That will leave our economy and country behind in the XXI Century.

But for those who cannot or do not want to go to college, vocational/apprenticeship training should also be upheld as necessary to a functioning society and also provided for.

The “college for all” plans being floated would have been really nice when I was of an age to benefit from one of them, but they need to benefit everyone they can. I wish I was in a position to get that through Democratic candidates’ heads.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:04:38pm

re: #31 sagehen

Free for A students, 75% free for B students, 50% free for Cs…
That’s at State colleges and any other kind of post-secondary that helps the student and the nation.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:05:47pm

re: #18 Belafon

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Almost as radical as a 5 day/40 hour work week. Or sick days. Or, gasp, paid vacation.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:06:17pm

re: #36 William Lewis

Almost as radical as a 5 day/40 hour work week. Or sick days. Or, gasp, paid vacation.

Yeah—that commie shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:06:30pm

I like the idea of making trade and community colleges more affordable. I don’t mind the goal of free college. I just don’t think you’ll go from record high tuition to free over night.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:07:28pm

re: #36 William Lewis

Almost as radical as a 5 day/40 hour work week. Or sick days. Or, gasp, paid vacation.

Things everyone who shits on labor and posts memes about how awesome unregulated capitalism takes for granted.

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DangerMan  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:08:06pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

When I said goodbye to Daisy this past Spring, it was after three very stressful weeks of ups and downs, doing everything possible to make her comfortable in the hopes that the every small improvement might BE THE ONE that meant she was turning the corner. Alas, it was not to be. But I was thankful for the 17 very happy years.

Every time we’ve had to make the Rainbow Bridge decision, we have been very sincere in our thanks to our veterinarians for making the passage easy for ALL of us, instead of forcing continued suffering with no hope of it getting better.

Every. Single. Time.

Many people have unrealistic ideas about what doctors nurses vets even lawyers and other professionals really are and aren’t capable of when we get into real life specific (ie mine) circumstance

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:09:52pm

re: #25 sagehen

I have mixed feelings about free college for everyone.

Sure, free college made all the difference in the world to my family — but that’s because my parents went to college at a time when fewer than 25% of people did, and they needed it to prepare for Med school and Law school, but…

Building trades, health care and beauty and other personal care workers, 3/4 of restaurant staff, and another dozen or so of the highest-employment fields, a year of vocational school is plenty to make them good at their jobs. For retail workers or warehouse workers, high school should be enough.

Another 100K worth of education for EVERYBODY is probably not the most cost-effective way to improve people’s lives, or society at large.

I keep thinking of college as a general term for any post high school education, but it would be good to bring that up to people like AOC. But I would also require that we either restructure middle and high school education so that they get more government/economics like I did back in the 80s, or that things like that are required to be taught no matter what type of education you get post high school.

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DangerMan  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:10:06pm

re: #28 plansbandc

How about paid trade school for people who don’t want to go to college?

It might end up being some sort of education credit that you get to “spend” wherever. And if you want more you cover the difference.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:10:57pm

re: #25 sagehen

The cost of trade schools and vocational colleges is just as obscene as that of university. Make all post secondary education covered so that all the people you mention are not exploited either.

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fern01  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:12:35pm

re: #2 mmmirele

This is unbelievable, and completely real.

JPMorgan now has a Volfefe Index. It measures Trump’s tweets and their impact on volatility. (Thread)

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I do not believe a ticker symbol has been issued for this, but I suspect it’s not going to be long in coming.

Trump has been manipulating the markets since he was elected. I don’t remember such a level of volatility at any time in the past 40 years. Swings of 300/400 points in the dow on a daily basis are NOT normal. I can only assume someone in the family has been making money out of what is happening. Why else would trump be doing same.

That the markets respond to his stupidity is another story in itself. Are people really so shallow?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:12:41pm

re: #43 William Lewis

The cost of trade schools and vocational colleges is just as obscene as that of university. Make all post secondary education covered so that all the people you mention are not exploited either.

Or make the whole thing a “GI-Plus Bill” keyed to civilian national service like the NCCC.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:14:04pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Free for A students, 75% free for B students, 50% free for Cs…
That’s at State colleges and any other kind of post-secondary that helps the student and the nation.

There are so many things that affect your grades in school, high school and college, that are not college related, that I wouldn’t want to do that. I would definitely want to see something set up to better align what a student wants to do with their education. If you suck at higher math, you’re probably not going to make a very good physicist.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:15:51pm

re: #46 Belafon

There are so many things that affect your grades in school, high school and college, that are not college related, that I wouldn’t want to do that. I would definitely want to see something set up to better align what a student wants to do with their education. If you suck at higher math, you’re probably not going to make a very good physicist.

Then you can go for the Masters in Social Work and go for the really big bucks.

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DangerMan  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:16:39pm

re: #43 William Lewis

The cost of trade schools and vocational colleges is just as obscene as that of university. Make all post secondary education covered so that all the people you mention are not exploited either.

Because they all adopted the model of having the loans do the paying.
It’s all disconnected so no one feels it till it’s too late.

Just like how much car or house can you afford vs what’s the payment.
Same with health insurance

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:19:20pm

Conservatives either are the authoritarian, work for the authoritarian, or follow the authoritarian.

Case in point this week: the Taliban. It doesn’t matter whether Trump really invited them to Camp David or not. He said so, that’s all that matters.

When called out on the BS optics of inviting them (if he did) near the 9/11 catastrophe (anyone remember the outrage from wingnuts over Park 51), conservatives must try to find some or any justification for the utterance of the authoritarian, even bending history (or National Hurricane Center maps) to do so.

By next week, conservative followers will be absolutely convinced Ronald Reagan invited the Taliban to the Oval Office. There are multiple conservative mouthpieces working to ensure only the approved history is fed to the followers.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:22:27pm

re: #36 William Lewis

Almost as radical as a 5 day/40 hour work week. Or sick days. Or, gasp, paid vacation.

It’s time for a 4 day 32 hour work week.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:27:44pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

Or make the whole thing a “GI-Plus Bill” keyed to civilian national service like the NCCC.

I firmly believe in a 2 year National Service for everyone. Anyone can do something useful- a tiny number in the military, some doing Peace Corps or VISTA type work, etc. The key to it has to be no exemptions. Rich, poor, male, female, other, heathy, challenged, religious or not - there is something that person can do.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:28:45pm

re: #36 William Lewis

Almost as radical as a 5 day/40 hour work week. Or sick days. Or, gasp, paid vacation.

And people died to get those. That ought to be on that Dennis Prager video comment. Union movements took courage.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:28:52pm
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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:29:16pm

re: #50 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s time for a 4 day 32 hour work week.

There are good arguments for making Wednesday a midweek “weekend” but a living wage/minimum income would be needed first.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:29:33pm

re: #2 mmmirele

This is unbelievable, and completely real.

JPMorgan now has a Volfefe Index. It measures Trump’s tweets and their impact on volatility. (Thread)

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I do not believe a ticker symbol has been issued for this, but I suspect it’s not going to be long in coming.

This sounds like satire.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:31:36pm

re: #51 William Lewis

I firmly believe in a 2 year National Service for everyone. Anyone can do something useful- a tiny number in the military, some doing Peace Corps or VISTA type work, etc. The key to it has to be no exemptions. Rich, poor, male, female, other, heathy, challenged, religious or not - there is something that person can do.

Mandatory is OK, but heavily-incentivized “all-volunteer” works too, especially if we’re talking about student debt. In fact, the tax structure could dis-incentivize the malefactors of great wealth.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:32:05pm

re: #55 Hecuba’s daughter

This sounds like satire.

How the hell could we tell?

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:32:06pm

re: #46 Belafon

If you suck at higher math, you’re probably not going to make a very good physicist.

I always found it interesting that basic Algebra is all you need for any of Einstein’s papers. Alas, once quantum mechanics is added into the mix it is not so simple.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:32:53pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

When I said goodbye to Daisy this past Spring, it was after three very stressful weeks of ups and downs, doing everything possible to make her comfortable in the hopes that the every small improvement might BE THE ONE that meant she was turning the corner. Alas, it was not to be. But I was thankful for the 17 very happy years.

Every time we’ve had to make the Rainbow Bridge decision, we have been very sincere in our thanks to our veterinarians for making the passage easy for ALL of us, instead of forcing continued suffering with no hope of it getting better.

Every. Single. Time.

On the last day with Felix Randomkitty, we spent as much time afterwards with the veterinarian and her staff as we did with Felix.

After she sent us photographs of her ranch in Alliance and where she scattered his ashes for us, I wrote up Felix’s story here at LGF, including profusely thanking her and her staff for what she did, and sent that to her clinic.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:37:43pm

re: #29 Patricia Kayden

Yep.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:41:51pm

re: #44 fern01

Volfefe Index

Are we sure this isn’t a Covfefe index?

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:42:44pm

re: #58 William Lewis

I always found it interesting that basic Algebra is all you need for any of Einstein’s papers. Alas, once quantum mechanics is added into the mix it is not so simple.

I would be rather interested in the basic algebra version of general relativity.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:44:45pm

Curious fact: All four of the sons of millionaire Joseph Kennedy served in uniform, the three who were old enough served in WWII. RFK sailed on the destroyer named for his KIA brother. Just sayin’.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:51:35pm

re: #62 Belafon

I would be rather interested in the basic algebra version of general relativity.

Look for English translations of his papers online. The work by Lorenez adds a lot to it and is still simple in its math.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:51:55pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

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I’m absolutely loving how he’s supposed to get brownie points, not for having put the kibosh on negotiations that were quite obviously a sham intended to get him a “win,” but because the first the public would have learned about them was when they happened on the 18th anniversary of 9/11.

The “liberal media,” ladies and gentlemen.//////

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:52:41pm

re: #61 MsJ

Are we sure this isn’t a Covfefe index?

Sounds like some clever wag combined “Volatility” with “Covfefe” to create Volfefe. I doubt this is real — just an amusing take on Trump’s tweets.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:55:50pm


It Was Her Christian Duty To Shoot That Bitch
(Goes to Juanita Jean’s)

TL;DR version: A pastor’s wife didn’t like the t-shirt of a youth pastor’s wife. They took it out to the parking lot, where the pastor tried to calm down his wife. She ran to her car and grabbed a gun to shoot the youth pastor’s wife, the pastor tried to get her to give up the gun by praying with her, she fired the gun (but didn’t hit anyone). She’s in jail.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:56:45pm

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

Sounds like some clever wag combined “Volatility” with “Covfefe” to create Volfefe. I doubt this is real — just an amusing take on Trump’s tweets.

It’s being carried as real, though it could be an in-joke with some useful work behind it.

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dharmamark  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:59:06pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Must’ve been some shirt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 3:59:48pm

re: #28 plansbandc

How about paid trade school for people who don’t want to go to college?

pretty sure that at least one Dem supported trade school included with that free college thing..

Oh, wait…it was Obama…years ago.

Google it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:00:36pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure that at least one Dem supported trade school included with that free college thing..

Oh, wait…it was Obama…years ago.

Google it.

He also had a great pre-K plan as well.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:00:39pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not even Newsweek will report why the youth minister’s wife’s t-shirt triggered the shooting.
That seems like a key point.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:02:42pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Then you can go for the Masters in Social Work and go for the really big bucks.

My sister has done well with her Masters in Social Work by living in a very cheap Chicago apartment, not having kids, and dog-sitting most weekends of the year. Ok, by “done well” I mean be able to take a vacation each year.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:05:20pm

re: #73 Barefoot Grin

My sister has done well with her Masters in Social Work by living in a very cheap Chicago apartment, not having kids, and dog-sitting most weekends of the year. Ok, by “done well” I mean be able to take a vacation each year.

Daughter1 has an MSW friend, damn near adopted her because Dau is in the high-powered highschool teacher world.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:09:00pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:11:48pm

re: #75 Dread Pirate

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So, how long before he too refuses to appear after Donny makes totally unsubtle hints of bad things happening to him if he doesn’t?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:18:03pm

Cutest stuff in history? Much more at string.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:27:40pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Curious fact: All four of the sons of millionaire Joseph Kennedy served in uniform, the three who were old enough served in WWII. RFK sailed on the destroyer named for his KIA brother. Just sayin’.

And these two guys:

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:31:42pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So you’re going to shoot someone in a church parking lot because you dislike her t-shirt? WWJD?

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Jay C  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:35:02pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

I’m absolutely loving how he’s supposed to get brownie points, not for having put the kibosh on negotiations that were quite obviously a sham intended to get him a “win,” but because the first the public would have learned about them was when they happened on the 18th anniversary of 9/11.

The “liberal media,” ladies and gentlemen.//////

RLY: This Peter Bergen asserts that Trump ought to be congratulated for cancelling a meeting with the fucking Taliban that shouldn’t have been either publicized (or for that matter, even scheduled) IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE?????

OK: I can get behind the concept (disgusting as it is) of negotiating with the Taliban (and/o the Afghan Government) to try to avoid minimize the bloody fiasco
which will inevitably explode on our final withdrawal from Afghanistan: but seriously!
You wanna do this, you do it good-old—fashioned Kissinger-style: dead quiet; under-the-table; in a neutral/obscure country; low-level at first: then make careful announcements about “impending developments”, first making sure everyone is on board (i.e. who is being paid off, how much, and for what) - and only THEN announcing “talks” .

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:35:17pm

THREAD:
An actual climate scientist shreds Jonathan Franzen

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sagehen  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:41:20pm

re: #78 The Pie Overlord!

And these two guys:

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Also their dad, their uncles, and their grandparents.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:44:14pm

re: #82 sagehen

Don’t forget Aunts too. Princess Anne was a (or still is) a Colonel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:45:47pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This.

I was blocked from college due to extreme poverty as a child. Had I been wealthy enough to even qualify for a loan I would have gone, but that did not happen and never will.

That said, college should be available to everyone who qualifies for it. As it is now, we are regressing back to the pre-WW2 era where only the wealthy and connected can go. That will leave our economy and country behind in the XXI Century.

But for those who cannot or do not want to go to college, vocational/apprenticeship training should also be upheld as necessary to a functioning society and also provided for.

The “college for all” plans being floated would have been really nice when I was of an age to benefit from one of them, but they need to benefit everyone they can. I wish I was in a position to get that through Democratic candidates’ heads.

I came from a poor family with six children and a father who abandoned the family right before I graduated from high school.
The divorce decree stipulated that he would pay college expenses for all of us.
He never paid a dime.

I paid for every bit of my bachelor’s degree on my own, even though it took me 10 years.
I also paid for the first quarter of my master’s degree but then got a teaching fellowship to pay for the rest.

Being wealthy back in the day had nothing to do with it.

Matter of fact, it has nothing to do with it now. Our granddaughter is attending a local northern Kentucky university, pursuing a nursing degree. She will not be graduating with a huge overwhelming debt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:57:43pm

FWIW, MrBWS is a high school graduate.
He was a gypsy non-union lineman for decades, then got the opportunity to get into the IBEW Albat program to move from Apprentice to Journeyman status.
Cost can be a thousand dollars or so, but the reward is a six-figure (or close to it) annual income on successful completion. (BTW…MrBWS didn’t have to pay for anything but the books, which he got on the cheap from Amazon, and he got the electrical engineering tutoring from me…yep…that was one of my university minors, plus what I learned for my Extra Class Amateur Radio License.)
And the benefits are beyond amazing.

Just saying that there are very affordable options out there.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:58:01pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Different people have different experiences with both poverty and the cost of college.

Hey Joe Bacon, was that you on audio on yesterday’s Utah Outcast patron’s livestream? It sounded like you.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 8, 2019 • 4:58:57pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

It took me a few years to finish up a Bachelor’s too. I did not want huge loans when I graduated. As it was I had a $10,000 loan to pay back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:01:52pm

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Different people have different experiences with both poverty and the cost of college.

Hey Joe Bacon, was that you on audio on yesterday’s Utah Outcast patron’s livestream? It sounded like you.

And some of us refuse to take “no” for an answer and refuse to apologize for it.

Apparently some mileage varies hugely.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:03:41pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

It took me a few years to finish up a Bachelor’s too. I did not want huge loans when I graduated. As it was I had a $10,000 loan to pay back.

We only paid off my wife’s student loan from the Eighties two years ago.

Curiously, I get robocalls asking if I want to restructure my college debt which I never had, but she never gets those calls.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:08:10pm

Trump administration never missing an opportunity to be shitty to desperate people.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:09:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:10:34pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So you’re going to shoot someone in a church parking lot because you dislike her t-shirt?

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Jay C  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:10:44pm

re: #90 jaunte

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Trump administration never missing an opportunity to be shitty to desperate people.

I’m sure that if Hurricane Dorian had hit Norway instead of The Bahamas, the Admin’s visa policy would likely be a lot more flexible….

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:12:13pm

re: #91 jaunte

Bahamians aren’t White so here we are.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:12:46pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:13:11pm

re: #91 jaunte

Watch them either cover or rip the sign off the wall.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:14:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:14:18pm

re: #92 Patricia Kayden

So you’re going to shoot someone in a church parking lot because you dislike her t-shirt?

No. My lack-of-church teaches not to do that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:17:32pm

re: #62 Belafon

I would be rather interested in the basic algebra version of general relativity.

I like basic algebra for figuring fuel mileage.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:18:21pm

Abby

Today my son gave me a painting he asked a friend to do in honor of the one year anniversary of my doggie, Abby’s death from stomach cancer. I think I cried and hugged the kid for like a half an hour. Best gift he ever gave me, and he planned it a couple of months ago.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:19:04pm

re: #92 Patricia Kayden

So you’re going to shoot someone in a church parking lot because you dislike her t-shirt?

It said, “Your Husband Was Good Last Night”.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:20:42pm

Evita’s new outfit. Wait for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:21:33pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🎃

No. My lack-of-church teaches not to do that.

pretty sure that lack-of-church doesn’t preclude that event.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:22:42pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Watch them either cover or rip the sign off the wall.

The cruelty is the point.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:22:46pm

re: #95 jaunte

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Let me guess: Miller heard that foreigners would be allowed into the US without visas and freaked out something fierce.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:24:02pm

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Different people have different experiences with both poverty and the cost of college.

Hey Joe Bacon, was that you on audio on yesterday’s Utah Outcast patron’s livestream? It sounded like you.

As I posted elsewhere in a FB discussion: The cost of college at traditional 4 year institutions has exploded over the decades, far faster than inflation. When my sister attended Northwestern (on scholarship and commuting from home), tuition was 1800 annually; when her daughter attended 33 years later, tuition was 27,000. Inflation during the same period was about 409%; so to be equivalent, the tuition should have been 7,362. Our real problem is the skyrocketing expense; it’s ridiculous that price has so exceeded inflation. For the health of the nation, public universities (yes — I know — Northwestern is private) should be affordable — so that students can graduate without facing overwhelming debt. But colleges are not for working class or middle class families.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:24:45pm

re: #82 sagehen

Also their dad, their uncles, and their grandparents.

Their GRANDMA!

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:27:14pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh yes. And yes the queen still knows what is under the bonnet (hood on this side of the pond).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:27:19pm

re: #100 A Mom Anon

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Today my son gave me a painting he asked a friend to do in honor of the one year anniversary of my doggie, Abby’s death from stomach cancer. I think I cried and hugged the kid for like a half an hour. Best gift he ever gave me, and he planned it a couple of months ago.

{{hugs}}

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:27:24pm

re: #90 jaunte

Wasn’t Trump recently boasting about how the Bahamian Prime Minister had thanked him for America’s aid? Goes to show that no matter how nice you are to Trump, he’ll still screw you over.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:28:35pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t Trump recently boasting about how the Bahamian Prime Minister had thanked him for America’s aid? Goes to show that no matter how nice you are to Trump, he’ll still screw you over.

He’s so fucking awful.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:28:43pm

re: #102 The Pie Overlord!

Evita’s new outfit. Wait for it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:29:12pm

re: #106 Hecuba’s daughter

As I posted elsewhere in a FB discussion: The cost of college at traditional 4 year institutions has exploded over the decades, far faster than inflation. When my sister attended Northwestern (on scholarship and commuting from home), tuition was 1800 annually; when her daughter attended 33 years later, tuition was 27,000. Inflation during the same period was about 409%; so to be equivalent, the tuition should have been 7,362. Our real problem is the skyrocketing expense; it’s ridiculous that price has so exceeded inflation. For the health of the nation, public universities (yes — I know — Northwestern is private) should be affordable — so that students can graduate without facing overwhelming debt. But colleges are not for working class or middle class families.

Colleges used to be for working class families, if they qualified for college. My uncle and aunt had six children before he died. His union (he was a finishing carpenter) paid for college for two of his children, vocational school for two more, one joined the Army, and the last chose to be a homemaker.

Regrettably the military did not do the same. My sister attempted college, but finances crushed her.

The reason college tuition has soared is the “greed is good” philosophy of conservatism coupled with Republicans everywhere they could defunding state schools and community colleges. It fits right in with Lee Atwater’s note that “you’re hurting white people, but you’re hurting black people more.”

That resulted in the state schools having to dramatically raise tuition to stay afloat.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:29:23pm

re: #102 The Pie Overlord!

Evita’s new outfit. Wait for it.

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God I despise her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:29:24pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t Trump recently boasting about how the Bahamian Prime Minister had thanked him for America’s aid? Goes to show that no matter how nice you are to Trump, he’ll still screw you over.

Why, yes…yes, he did!

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sagehen  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:32:35pm

re: #102 The Pie Overlord!

Evita’s new outfit. Wait for it.

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Not frum.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:36:08pm
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sagehen  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:36:53pm

re: #106 Hecuba’s daughter

As I posted elsewhere in a FB discussion: The cost of college at traditional 4 year institutions has exploded over the decades, far faster than inflation. When my sister attended Northwestern (on scholarship and commuting from home), tuition was 1800 annually; when her daughter attended 33 years later, tuition was 27,000. Inflation during the same period was about 409%; so to be equivalent, the tuition should have been 7,362. Our real problem is the skyrocketing expense; it’s ridiculous that price has so exceeded inflation.

The total cost hasn’t gone up by more than inflation; it’s that the percentage of that cost being covered by State appropriations has been slashed and now most of it comes from tuition.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:39:30pm

re: #117 Flying Squirrel Girl

It goes to show how open minded most colleges are.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:40:27pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t Trump recently boasting about how the Bahamian Prime Minister had thanked him for America’s aid? Goes to show that no matter how nice you are to Trump, he’ll still screw you over.

It’s not just Trump — it’s his entire administration AND his political party that does nothing to rein him in but instead encourages his worst instincts AND his voting base that is fine with this cruelty. They are all evil and malignant; and that includes friends and family members — I usually try to avoid most of these conversations with Trumpsters but they generally know better than to try to discuss any such topics with me.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:43:34pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t Trump recently boasting about how the Bahamian Prime Minister had thanked him for America’s aid? Goes to show that no matter how nice you are to Trump, he’ll still screw you over.

Don’t worry, I’m sure if the media actually tries in earnest to look into this story, the excuse we’ll receive from the White House will be something about how “we” can’t afford to have all these refugees coming into the US, that if the people of the Bahamas want help they need to stay in place. When the reality is that the anti-immigrant faction of the WH are entertaining fantasies about how all these refugees will enter the US and then refuse to leave or even disappear to avoid being deported.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:44:09pm

re: #118 sagehen

The total cost hasn’t gone up by more than inflation; it’s that the percentage of that cost being covered by State appropriations has been slashed and now most of it comes from tuition.

That certainly may explain part of the problem with costs at public institutions. Republicans are not fond of an education populace among those who grew up in poverty or with modest means. They are doing everything possible to damage secular education.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:46:04pm

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST & MOST DANGEROUS THING YOU WILL READ ALL DAY:

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:49:15pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:52:04pm

And have no doubt that when pictures start coming out later this week of Bahamians trying to survive in the wreckage that was their homes, the wingnut response will be to snarkily ask why they don’t just leave until the rebuilding can be done.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:55:08pm
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CleverToad  Sep 8, 2019 • 5:59:31pm

re: #100 A Mom Anon

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Today my son gave me a painting he asked a friend to do in honor of the one year anniversary of my doggie, Abby’s death from stomach cancer. I think I cried and hugged the kid for like a half an hour. Best gift he ever gave me, and he planned it a couple of months ago.

LOTS of hugs! That was so sweet of him, and of his friend. A priceless gift.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:03:05pm
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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:06:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:07:24pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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I’m sick of these cruel bastards and the people who enable them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:09:05pm

re: #129 jaunte

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A several times accused rapist.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:20:54pm

Hurricane season isn’t over.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:21:12pm

re: #132 jaunte

Hurricane season isn’t over.

It’s just begun.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:21:53pm

re: #132 jaunte

Hurricane season isn’t over.

Good thing we had ours in Alabama.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:24:00pm
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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:26:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:28:53pm

moron in chief retweeted this nonsense:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:30:30pm

re: #136 jaunte

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By all means.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:32:02pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron in chief retweeted this nonsense:

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Who TF designed her dress? Harvey Two-Face?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:32:19pm

What is Ivanka’s position? How is she qualified?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:32:45pm

re: #140 I Would Prefer Not To

What is Ivanka’s position? How is she qualified?

Related to Trump, the God-Emperor. What other qualification do you need?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:34:07pm

re: #140 I Would Prefer Not To

What is Ivanka’s position? How is she qualified?

She’s the only other person Trump loves more than himself.

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Citizen K  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:36:04pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

re: #129 jaunte

It’s all part of the same message as everything else: BROWN PEOPLE GET OUT. We are not wanted in this country even when we are citizens, even when we are born here, even when we have known nothing BUT here. Because for them, nothing we can do can ever make us Americans, and now they have the power to escalate and ensure that those of us who are Americans, at least legally, can be unmade. That we can be purged and purged forever. This is what they fucking want, and they seem to be accelerating to the point where they can make it a fucking reality.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:36:29pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

She’s the only other person Trump loves more than as much as himself.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:36:31pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Free for A students, 75% free for B students, 50% free for Cs…
That’s at State colleges and any other kind of post-secondary that helps the student and the nation.

I disagree with this, because I hated high school and did poorly in it. I got to college and basically found myself there. I did much better. I think there should be a different way to fund, and not have it based on high school grades. Just My Personal Opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:36:50pm

re: #144 The Pie Overlord!

Yeah

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:37:08pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

“The Hand of the King”

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:37:49pm

NO SHIT

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:39:18pm

re: #145 mmmirele

I disagree with this, because I hated high school and did poorly in it. I got to college and basically found myself there. I did much better. I think there should be a different way to fund, and not have it based on high school grades. Just My Personal Opinion.

Not much interested in HS grades. Everyone gets a low-cost shot at one semester. The next semester’s costs are determined by performance, perhaps all the way through grad school.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:40:14pm

re: #148 The Pie Overlord!

NO SHIT

Part of me is fucking glad the bastard’s miserable.

The other part of me is scared to death Trump will do everything and anything to make everyone else as miserable as he is or more.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:40:30pm

re: #148 The Pie Overlord!

NO SHIT

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You just noticed this about him?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:40:46pm

re: #150 TedStriker

Part of me is fucking glad the bastard’s miserable.

The other part of me is scared to death Trump will do everything to make everyone else as miserable as he is or more.

Exactly

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retired cynic  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:43:10pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

I heard Amb. Ryan Crocker (was amb. to Afganistan, among other places) on NPR today. He said to give “nation” status and recognition to a group such as the Taliban by having them come to Camp David and meet with the president, was absolutely the most idiotic thing he could imagine (paraphrased). He said the entire year long negotiation with the Taliban, to the exclusion of our partner, the Afghan government, and our other allies there, was absolutely the wrong way to go about it, and if we were lucky, this would stop this whole negotiation thread. He was almost incoherent, he was so angry.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:44:00pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🎃


It Was Her Christian Duty To Shoot That Bitch
(Goes to Juanita Jean’s)

TL;DR version: A pastor’s wife didn’t like the t-shirt of a youth pastor’s wife. They took it out to the parking lot, where the pastor tried to calm down his wife. She ran to her car and grabbed a gun to shoot the youth pastor’s wife, the pastor tried to get her to give up the gun by praying with her, she fired the gun (but didn’t hit anyone). She’s in jail.

What gets me is all of these people are Apostolics, some of the most straitlaced church people in the land. Women are told to wear dresses and skirts only, no jewelry and can’t cut their hair *at all*, because they have this idea that if your hair is uncut, God has to honor your devotion by granting healing if you spread your uncut hair around. Uhm, as you might expect, there’s no objective evidence that uncut female hair has any specific healing properties.

I couldn’t tell from the website articles I looked at what the offending t-shirt had to say.

I was trying to find out what the t-shirt said

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:45:00pm
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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:47:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:50:01pm

re: #153 retired cynic

I heard Amb. Ryan Crocker (was amb. to Afganistan, among other places) on NPR today. He said to give “nation” status and recognition to a group such as the Taliban by having them come to Camp David and meet with the president, was absolutely the most idiotic thing he could imagine (paraphrased). He said the entire year long negotiation with the Taliban, to the exclusion of our partner, the Afghan government, and our other allies there, was absolutely the wrong way to go about it, and if we were lucky, this would stop this whole negotiation thread. He was almost incoherent, he was so angry.

I don’t blame him. He’s certainly talked with the Afghani people. Trump sure as hell hasn’t or doesn’t care about them. He just wants to look like a winner.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:50:28pm

re: #145 mmmirele

I disagree with this, because I hated high school and did poorly in it. I got to college and basically found myself there. I did much better. I think there should be a different way to fund, and not have it based on high school grades. Just My Personal Opinion.

I agree with you 100%. The difference between the United States and the rest of the world (at least before we descended into this nightmare Mirror Universe) is that students here who did not do particularly well in high school are able to get into a college (affording it of course is another story) and their future options are based on college performance not high school. Community colleges, which should be free or perhaps with a minimal charge, offer students the opportunity to find themselves and a field of interest. And then they can transfer to other institutions once they have established themselves.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:51:40pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:52:19pm

Only the second time I’ve ever seen Charles change his avatar. The first time was when he made his avatar a picture of him as a baby.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:53:51pm

re: #90 jaunte

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Trump administration never missing an opportunity to be shitty to desperate people.

Turnip must have seen on the news today that Bahamians are mostly black people.

Edit: I’m not being facetious. I think that is literally what happened - he saw during “executive time” that folks in the Bahamas are brown, and he told Stevie Goebbels to make sure they weren’t let in.

Miller needs to be under the microscope. If we had a Legislative Branch that was doing even the slightest oversight, there would be subpoenas flying for his emails, chat logs, memos, and the records chain of all these “policy changes” which are eventually going to lead to ditches full of brown bodies out in the desert.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 6:56:49pm

re: #145 mmmirele

I disagree with this, because I hated high school and did poorly in it. I got to college and basically found myself there. I did much better. I think there should be a different way to fund, and not have it based on high school grades. Just My Personal Opinion.

Heh. I destroyed my first college year, so I found myself in the US Fuckn’ Army. (LBJ insisted.) When I got out, I started over and graduated with a Summa.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:00:00pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Not much interested in HS grades. Everyone gets a low-cost shot at one semester. The next semester’s costs are determined by performance, perhaps all the way through grad school.

While I did very well in my first semester of college (I got a letter I’d made dean’s list the week after I dropped out my second semester), I wouldn’t be so happy if I had that hanging over my head from semester to semester. Especially when I was in law school, the stress level is too enormous to worry about whether having a bad day on ONE FINAL for a class could completely trash your GPA.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:05:35pm

My parents paid for my college education, both times. I’m very lucky like that. I went to college right out of high school, lasted three semesters, I cared about skiing more than I did educating myself in those days. Didn’t return until seven years later, where I completed a B.A. in English with a History minor and made the honor roll (my GPA was 3.76).

I’m still working in the ski industry. Though I have a healthy habit of reading because of my time getting that degree, it hasn’t amounted to much since I got it. People say “you should be a teacher!” Thing is, I hate fuckin’ kids and couldn’t care less. Therein lies my problem with pursuing pedagogy.

I still like reading my 15 page paper on the literary criticism known as deconstruction. I actually had fun writing that.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:06:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:09:02pm

re: #165 Dread Pirate

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Every last thing about him is corrupt.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:09:16pm

Funny thing. I registered my LGF account in my on-campus apartment during my second (more successful) stint in college.

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:10:07pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

No way. He’d throw her under the bus in heartbeat if it meant his survival. The only thing he loves is himself.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:10:11pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

Funny thing. I registered my LGF account in my on-campus apartment during my second (more successful) stint in college.

Couldn’t’ve dun it without us.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:10:12pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

Funny thing. I registered my LGF account in my on-campus apartment during my second (more successful) stint in college.

I was in college too. I’m coming up on my ten year anniversary here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:10:25pm

re: #155 jaunte

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:11:33pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We’re run by pricks—nothing more complex than that.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:12:10pm

Moving a bunch of old attic boxes out of my old house recently, and found a bill for 16 hours of tuition, freshman year at University of Texas at Austin in 1971. Grand total of $168.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:12:15pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I was in college too. I’m coming up on my ten year anniversary here.

I had just graduated. I think I lurked here some while I was still in school.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:13:01pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I graduated the summer of 2010.

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Citizen K  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:13:20pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

We’re run by pricks—nothing more complex than that.

It’s not just that we’re run by pricks.

We’re run by racist, sadistic pricks. We’re run by pricks who want turn this country into something it’s never really been, but they feel it can be turned into with all their current power: a whites-only paradise.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:14:11pm

re: #176 Citizen K

It’s not just that we’re run by pricks.

We’re run by racist, sadistic pricks. We’re run by pricks who want turn this country into something it’s never really been, but they feel it can be turned into with all their current power: a whites-only paradise.

We know what to do about that.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:14:32pm
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Citizen K  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:16:11pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

We know what to do about that.

The problem comes with, even if we succeed in 2020, so much damage will have been done, and political inertia will ensure that damage continues to be done well after the election until things can be reined in.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:17:26pm

re: #173 jaunte

Moving a bunch of old attic boxes out of my old house recently, and found a bill for 16 hours of tuition, freshman year at University of Texas at Austin in 1971. Grand total of $168.

To put things in perspective for you, I easily paid more for textbooks in a semester about 40 years later.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:18:13pm

re: #179 Citizen K

The problem comes with, even if we succeed in 2020, so much damage will have been done, and political inertia will ensure that damage continues to be done well after the election until things can be reined in.

Yes, but it buys us time to return to the old battle—the one against the human fuckedness that brings us Trumps every generation or so.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:18:42pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Can’t remember what the exact number was adjusted for inflation, but somewhere around $800.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:18:58pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

To put things in perspective for you, I easily paid more for textbooks in a semester about 40 years later.

I paid that much for *one* textbook on a couple of occasions. Then I’d resell it at the end of the semester, I’d get like $40.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:19:48pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

I paid that much for *one* textbook on a couple of occasions. Then I’d resell it at the end of the semester, I’d get like $40.

Yeah definitely had the same experiences.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:20:55pm

I checked into what 4 years at the Art Institute would cost one of my kids: $80,000.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:21:02pm

Made some great friends. Made myself smrt. Was college worth it? For me, right now, I don’t know.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:21:47pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

I paid that much for *one* textbook on a couple of occasions. Then I’d resell it at the end of the semester, I’d get like $40.

Unless the instructor changed editions or went to a completely new book for the next semester, in which case you were stuck with expensive doorstops.

Been there, done that, got the degree (BFA in mass comm, Austin Peay, Clarksville, TN; 2001-2005), paying off the loans until the heat death of the universe (or another nine years, if I can hold onto my income-based repayment plan, which would waive the unpaid balance after that point).

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:22:28pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

Made some great friends. Made myself smrt. Was college worth it? For me, right now, I don’t know.

I see what you did there, Homer…

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:23:08pm

re: #188 TedStriker

I see what you did there, Homer…

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:24:39pm

She’s going to toss paper towels at them.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:25:31pm
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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:25:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:25:37pm

re: #190 The Pie Overlord!

She’s going to toss paper towels at them.

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Great.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:25:40pm

re: #173 jaunte

Moving a bunch of old attic boxes out of my old house recently, and found a bill for 16 hours of tuition, freshman year at University of Texas at Austin in 1971. Grand total of $168.

I paid $212.50 for my last semester of college at UT Austin in spring 1984. My textbooks cost more than that.

University fees started going up significantly after that. When I went to my first semester of law school, it was $36/hour, then $48/hour for the second year and $75/hour for the last year. The rationale was that tuition had been too low for a long time and students had to have more skin in the game. As it turned out, I got grants that covered my tuition. For some reason, the government gave me a national defense grant to learn me some lawyering skillz. I took out $5,000 loans every year and lived off that money.

I just checked, my alma mater is charging $1,071.40/hour for law school now. In other words, just for tuition, you’d be sitting on a bill of $100,000-just for tuition. NOPE.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:25:50pm

re: #190 The Pie Overlord!

She’s going to toss paper towels at them.

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In my opinion, a visit from Ivanka is worse than a hurricane.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:27:05pm

re: #195 I Would Prefer Not To

In my opinion, a visit from Ivanka is worse than a hurricane.

Ivanka after her old man probably disgusts me the most and this is an administration where Stephen Miller dines alone.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:27:30pm

re: #195 I Would Prefer Not To

In my opinion, a visit from Ivanka is worse than a hurricane.

We’ve got kudzu, fire ants and alligators. We’ll manage.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:27:43pm

re: #192 jaunte

Heartbreaking. These are people who claim to be Christians and yet they have no compassion.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:28:48pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

I paid that much for *one* textbook on a couple of occasions. Then I’d resell it at the end of the semester, I’d get like $40.

I funded my last year of college by working in a college bookstore. You have not lived until you have had a student chuck one of those massive biology textbooks at you after you told them there was no buyback value because the professor was going to the next edition. I got good at dodging.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:28:52pm

re: #198 Patricia Kayden

Heartbreaking. These are people who claim to be Christians and yet they have no compassion.

This administration really has revealed a lot of ugliness.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:29:24pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

We’ve got kudzu, fire ants and alligators. We’ll manage.

At least you’re less than a couple of hours from the PCB and the Gulf…that counts for something, good and bad.

If I could, I’d spend a lot more time down at PCB and just be a beach bum.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:29:50pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Send her off with some fire ant-infused couture.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:30:38pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

We’ve got kudzu, fire ants and alligators. We’ll manage.

It’s the old joke.

q. Why did New York get all the lawyers and New Jersey get the toxic waste?

a. New Jersey got first pick.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:31:19pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

To put things in perspective for you, I easily paid more for textbooks in a semester about 40 years later.

My son rented a book so he wouldn’t have to pay nearly that much for it.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:31:24pm

I’m disgusted to share a country with people who would set the ocean on fire to keep people out of their lifeboat.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:33:04pm

re: #204 Belafon

My son rented a book so he wouldn’t have to pay nearly that much for it.

I did too often. Sometimes I had to buy the book new tho.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:33:51pm

re: #205 jaunte

I’m disgusted to share a country with people who would set the ocean on fire to keep people out of their lifeboat.

These are people who care more about AR-15s than other humans who just don’t look like them.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:33:52pm

re: #205 jaunte

I’m disgusted to share a country with people who would set the ocean on fire to keep people out of their lifeboat.

Been lurking FR again? That’s precisely the metaphor.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:34:34pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

I’ve actually never been. It just seemed apt.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:36:08pm

re: #205 jaunte

I’m disgusted to share a country with people who would set the ocean on fire to keep people out of their lifeboat.

Well. they are busy sabotaging and destroying the EPA, so we may very well have a return of flaming rivers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:36:57pm

re: #210 TedStriker

Well. they are busy sabotaging and destroying the EPA, so we may very well have a return of flaming rivers.

I can see Trump saying that no one ever heard of burning rivers.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:43:59pm

re: #209 jaunte

I’ve actually never been. It just seemed apt.

I scan them at least once a day—they’re the last coherent signal before the RW goes jabberwocky.

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retired cynic  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:44:08pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I can see Trump saying that no one ever heard of burning rivers.

Isn’t that a water park just south of me?

Oh, no… that’s Raging Rivers!

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:46:15pm

Oh God he’s doing a hate fest in Rio Rancho.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:47:34pm

re: #214 plansbandc

Oh God he’s doing a hate fest in Rio Rancho.

Good title for a nihilist spaghetti western.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:47:56pm

re: #214 plansbandc

Oh God he’s doing a hate fest in Rio Rancho.

Great, looking forward to the 10 minute rant about Alabama.

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plansbandc  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:49:13pm

September 16th. This isn’t going to go over well.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:50:05pm
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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:51:28pm
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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:53:32pm

U.S. Embassy in The Bahamas:

Please be advised that Immigrant Visa Interviews that were scheduled for September 10th, 2019 have been cancelled. Also note that responses to routine inquiries are currently suspended and will be delayed in the aftermath of Hurricane Dorian. We appreciate your patience and consideration during this time.
bs.usembassy.gov

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:54:21pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:54:41pm

re: #219 jaunte

Charon the Ferryman will let Trumpisti aboard, visa or not. Shite privilege.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:56:00pm

I’mma interrupt this here comment section with a picture of me standing next to a really big ski jump, Crested Butte, CO, circa 2009.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:58:11pm

Stephen The Damned Miller figured out he could fuck over some people in need.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:59:27pm

re: #224 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Stephen The Damned Miller figured out he could fuck over some people in need.

Evil slept fitfully.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 7:59:42pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

After the ski area closed Matchstick Productions - a local ski film house - took all the snow from the halfpipe and made this monster. You had to be towed into the jump with a snowmobile and make a slingshot move towards its ramp, where skiers were going about 70-75 m.p.h. It was a thing to see.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:00:21pm

re: #226 teleskiguy

How far did they fly?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:00:50pm

re: #227 jaunte

How far did they fly?

All the way to the crater.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:04:13pm

re: #227 jaunte

How far did they fly?

The transition (the lip of the ramp to the point where the slope *slopes* way down, where it’s safe to land) was a little over a hundred feet. Some of these guys were going 200+, and doing floating iron cross 1080s. One guy did a 180. He went off the jump, spun 180° and landed backwards, going highway speeds.

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:05:35pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

The guys I watched jump off this thing were so high off the ground. I was awed and terrified at the same time.

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:08:04pm

I went to Crested Butte once with a busload of investors who wound up funding The Buddy Holly Story. Back when Gary Busey was young and skinny.

It’s a really interesting ski area, a double mountain, front and back. You can ski between the two mountains all day without going all the way down to the base.
Unfortunately it was icy and my then girlfriend broke her leg.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:09:11pm

She’s gettin’ famous

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Dread Pirate  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:15:01pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:15:11pm

re: #231 jaunte

My Twitter banner is me taking a picture of the vista on top of a cliff on a run called Solar Plexus way back in Third Bowl at the Crested Butte ski area. This skiing terrain is not to be trifled with.

Instagram

Top of Third Bowl, Crested Butte. Difficult skiing, no doubt about it.

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fern01  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:16:21pm

re: #155 jaunte

This is beyond cruel

This is the USA under trump - he loves cruel - and beyond - and 60 million people voted for him knowing what & who he was/is. THe US now has a SCOTUS that will implement such policies for the next 2 generations

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:24:45pm
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fern01  Sep 8, 2019 • 8:27:14pm

re: #218 jaunte

This is not normal. Nornally Bahamians can travel to USA with passport and a printout of their police record. This is a mess.

NOTHING in the US is what most see as normal at the minute. This is what they did to the ship of Jewish refugees in 1939 - sent them back to a land of death.

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John Hughes  Sep 9, 2019 • 8:57:08am

re: #25 sagehen

France doesn’t have free universities for everyone.

I had to pay 400 EUR to send my daughter to University.

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John Hughes  Sep 9, 2019 • 9:17:09am

re: #80 Jay C

OK: I can get behind the concept (disgusting as it is) of negotiating with the Taliban (and/o the Afghan Government)

The whole problem is that the US have been negotiating with the Taliban without the Afghan government.

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John Hughes  Sep 10, 2019 • 3:00:28am

re: #154 mmmirele

they have this idea that if your hair is uncut, God has to honor your devotion

They don’t get how this whole “God” thing works, do they. God “has to” do what God plans to do. Nothing else. People are supposed to suck it up.


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