WATCH LIVE: US Senate Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump

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The Senate Impeachment Trial of former President Trump continues with the start of opening arguments from House Republican Impeachment Managers, and Donald Trump’s Defense team.
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UPDATE at 2/9/21 11:06:56 am by Charles Johnson

House impeachment managers just dropped one of the most damning videos of the Jan. 6 riots we’ve seen, providing a jaw-dropping illustration of one of the darkest days in American history.

Here is the first of two parts: pic.twitter.com/VPOeNFU11v

— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) February 9, 2021

Part two:pic.twitter.com/qYtQICfPQj

— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) February 9, 2021

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349 comments

ipsos Feb 9, 2021 • 10:29:09am

T should be F’d, if not for his QOP protectors in Congress.

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 10:29:40am

The only thing that will make QAP senators change their minds is if guns are turned on them.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 10:30:04am

Rep. Raskin’s opening impeachment trial statement: “Their argument is that if you commit an impeachable offense in your last few weeks in office, you do it with constitutional impunity.” pic.twitter.com/lIrRiu36IF

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 9, 2021

Dave In Austin Feb 9, 2021 • 10:30:23am

My Congressman’s Sock Puppet Acct.

Well. Nothing you said here is true. You are part of the Sedition. You are also a coward posting this TRIPE here. Why don’t you post it on your official site Roger? What a coward. This is yours. Own it. Sleep with it. Eat with it. D** with it. THIS IS YOURS. pic.twitter.com/k58PkgcfNu

— And The Wind Cries: “We Bangin’ Till The End” (@DaveoutofAustin) February 9, 2021

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 10:30:46am

Trump mob chanting “Fight For Trump!”

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 10:31:42am

re: #4 Dave In Austin

My Congressman’s Sock Puppet Acct.

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This is why I refer to Republicans as the Q-Anon Party.

The GOP is dead. It’s now the QAP.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 10:31:45am

It’s frankly unbelievable to remember that 147 Republicans voted to overturn 2020 election after this violent mob took over the Capitol

— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) February 9, 2021

Hecuba's daughter Feb 9, 2021 • 10:38:02am

re: #7 jaunte

t’s frankly unbelievable to remember that 147 Republicans voted to overturn 2020 election after this violent mob took over the Capitol

It’s equally unbelievable that one of them voted to impeach Trump. Tom Rice certainly had a change of heart.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 10:38:56am

Every U.S. senator arguing for inaction in the face of that attack is arguing against American democracy.

— Garance Franke-Ruta (@thegarance) February 9, 2021

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 10:39:30am

re: #7 jaunte

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No it’s not, Ari.

The QAP openly desires to impose a theocratic dictatorship on America.

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 10:47:56am

PBS has got a couple of live feeds going. One is the raw feed, and the other has commentary.

jeffreyw Feb 9, 2021 • 10:49:04am

A little snack while watching:

Barefoot Grin Feb 9, 2021 • 10:51:05am

Taking bets now on which manager will say what thing that certain Republicans pretend made them so mad that they can’t possibly vote to convict anymore, a theatrical maneuver known to many as The Susan.

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) February 9, 2021

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 10:52:21am

re: #13 Barefoot Grin

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Answer—ALL OF THEM

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 11:00:10am

re: #13 Barefoot Grin

Democrat: L—-
Republicans: We refuse to accept such blatant disregard for our constitution!

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 11:01:35am

Here’s the opening video shown by House Democrats today:

c-span.org

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 11:02:24am

Despite clear precedent to the contrary, 45 GOP Senators will stand on the debunked theory that a former President can’t be convicted on an impeachment charge, because that is their excuse for not voting to convict Trump for his despicable crime.

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 11:06:07am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Here’s the opening video shown by House Democrats today:

c-span.org

I wish they would have run one of those clips a little longer to the point where the insurrectionist said that they were doing whatTed Cruz wanted them to do. Fuck him for voting nay with 10 others to accepting the conditions of the trial.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 9, 2021 • 11:06:30am

re: #17 No Malarkey!

Despite clear precedent to the contrary, 45 GOP Senators will stand on the debunked theory that a former President can’t be convicted on an impeachment charge, because that is their excuse for not voting to convict Trump for his despicable crime.

It is for a crime committed and an impeachment which initiated while he was still President.

And if Congress votes to pun on it, then let them bring civil charges against him…

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 11:10:26am

Is anybody seeing any tweeting or reporting on seditious activity taking place around DC and the capitol?

I’m going to have to quit watching this when Trump’s team comes up. I don’t need to do that to my blood pressure.

Hecuba's daughter Feb 9, 2021 • 11:13:21am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is for a crime committed and an impeachment which initiated while he was still President.

And if Congress votes to pun on it, then let them bring civil charges against him…

All that is needed is for the crime to be committed while he was in office (also before he was in office?); British practice when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution permitted impeachment after the official left office and that was also American policy in the 19th Century in the Belknap impeachment.

Acemarilllion Feb 9, 2021 • 11:13:45am

I was shocked to see national Fox television feed televising the above-mentioned video live and more importantly a non-edited version with no talking heads and even more importantly non-bleeped. There was even a persistent tag on the upper right hand of the screen displaying “Explicit content”.

For the fence-sitters, seeing a version like this, swearing and all, really shows how angry and violent these seditionists were/are.

I can’t in my lifetime recall “mutherfuckas” and “fucks” flying on daytime network TV. And I’m 50 years old.

Acemarilllion Feb 9, 2021 • 11:16:03am

I can just picture my mom saying “These people have filthy mouths” in her “ashamed-for-them” voice.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 9, 2021 • 11:17:29am

It is clearly demonstrating the general level of culture and civility among these “patriots”

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 11:21:42am

Rand Paul still refusing to wear a mask as he doodles squiggly lines.

That pretty much sums up Rand Paul. https://t.co/JiN7dUFRcf

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

IngisKahn Feb 9, 2021 • 11:22:04am

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 11:26:33am

I’m just impressed to see a conservative who believes in evolution.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

ericblair Feb 9, 2021 • 11:27:03am

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

All that is needed is for the crime to be committed while he was in office (also before he was in office?); British practice when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution permitted impeachment after the official left office and that was also American policy in the 19th Century in the Belknap impeachment.

“Yer honor, the prosecution accuses my client of robbing a bank. Yet there he sits quietly in a nice suit: is he robbing a bank? No? Case closed.”

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 11:27:27am

.@davidcicilline cleverly uses Trump’s calling himself “the 45th President of the United States” to show that 1. Trump still refuses to concede he lost and is sticking with the big lie and 2. he is a former official subject to impeachment trial now.

— Jill Wine-Banks (@JillWineBanks) February 9, 2021

Eventual Carrion Feb 9, 2021 • 11:27:41am

To the guitar players out there.

Have any of you tried the Rosewood (actual wood) flat picks? I was just cruising through amazon looking to order some more picks and have seen them a few times. Wonder if they are worth checking out.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 9, 2021 • 11:28:09am

re: #28 ericblair

“Yer honor, the prosecution accuses my client of robbing a bank. Yet there he sits quietly in a nice suit: is he robbing a bank? No? Case closed.”

“Robbing a bank is nothing in comparison to opening one.”

-Berthold Brecht

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 9, 2021 • 11:28:54am

re: #30 Eventual Carrion

To the guitar players out there.

Have any of you tried the Rosewood (actual wood) flat picks? I was just cruising through amazon looking to order some more picks and have seen them a few times. Wonder if they are worth checking out.

I lose picks so quickly that I will stick with cheap plastic ones, otherwise I would have to attach my pick to the bridge with a chain…

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 11:35:23am

re: #30 Eventual Carrion

To the guitar players out there.

Have any of you tried the Rosewood (actual wood) flat picks? I was just cruising through amazon looking to order some more picks and have seen them a few times. Wonder if they are worth checking out.

It would be interesting to know if they sound different. Rosewood is what they use to make marimba keys. There’s also a shortage looming.

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 11:35:49am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is for a crime committed and an impeachment which initiated while he was still President.

And if Congress votes to pun on it, then let them bring civil charges against him…

If I was a member of Brian Sicknick’s family, or one of the cops seriously injured during the coup, you can bet I would be talking to an attorney about suing Trump.

makeitstop Feb 9, 2021 • 11:36:22am

re: #30 Eventual Carrion

To the guitar players out there.

Have any of you tried the Rosewood (actual wood) flat picks? I was just cruising through amazon looking to order some more picks and have seen them a few times. Wonder if they are worth checking out.

I haven’t tried rosewood, but I’ve had wooden picks in the past.

Might be my playing style, but I tend to chew them right up. I just stay with those green Tortex jobbies, I can’t kill ‘em.

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 11:42:52am

Holy shit. This story from the ~~senator~~ house member who’s daughter and son-in-law were visiting the day of the insurrection was horrifying.

Eventual Carrion Feb 9, 2021 • 11:43:45am

re: #35 makeitstop

I haven’t tried rosewood, but I’ve had wooden picks in the past.

Might be my playing style, but I tend to chew them right up. I just stay with those green Tortex jobbies, I can’t kill ‘em.

That was my worry with the price of them. I tear up picks pretty quickly and $15 for a 6-pack of them is kinda steep when I can get a 12-pack of Dunlop for $3.

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 11:46:04am

re: #30 Eventual Carrion

To the guitar players out there.

Have any of you tried the Rosewood (actual wood) flat picks? I was just cruising through amazon looking to order some more picks and have seen them a few times. Wonder if they are worth checking out.

I’ve tried wooden picks but I don’t think I’ve used rosewood. I like just a little bit of flexibility in a pick, though, so I didn’t really like them. Also, they’re comparatively expensive and still wear out.

I’m a fanatic about having nice smooth edges in a pick. Any kind of roughness or irregularity and I can feel it.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 11:47:12am

“As video of Capitol riot played, some GOP senators turned away”

“While the screen showed demonstrators marching on the Capitol, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) looked down at the pad of lined paper in his lap, where he had already begun doodling with a pencil. Behind him, Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) studied papers in his lap, taking only the tiniest glimpses at the screen to his right. A few seats over, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) also focused most of his attention on papers in front of him instead of on the images depicting the insurrection at the Capitol, and a few seats from him, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) did the same.”
washingtonpost.com

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 11:48:51am

re: #29 jaunte

Jill Wine-Banks
@JillWineBanks
@davidcicilline cleverly uses Trump’s calling himself “the 45th President of the United States” to show that 1. Trump still refuses to concede he lost and is sticking with the big lie and 2. he is a former official subject to impeachment trial now.

He’s referring to his position on the list of your favorite presidents.

lawhawk Feb 9, 2021 • 11:49:23am

re: #39 jaunte

None so blind as those who refuse to see.

They’re craven cowards covering up crimes by the most corrupt and incompetent person to ever hold office.

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 11:49:28am

Man, that statement by Jamie Raskin was heart-wrenching.

DesertDenizen Feb 9, 2021 • 11:49:41am

re: #39 jaunte

“As video of Capitol riot played, some GOP senators turned away”

Cowards. Too afraid to own their creation?

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 11:50:27am

re: #39 jaunte

“As video of Capitol riot played, some GOP senators turned away”

That should be an ad next year.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 11:51:14am

How is the defense going to fill their time trying to defend insurrection?

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 11:52:15am

re: #43 DesertDenizen

Cowards. Too afraid to own their creation?

Hoping we won’t notice they intend laws only to apply to the little people.

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 11:53:30am

re: #45 jaunte

How is the defense going to fill their time trying to defend insurrection?

What insurrection?

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 11:54:35am

re: #39 jaunte

“As video of Capitol riot played, some GOP senators turned away”

Cowards

ericblair Feb 9, 2021 • 11:55:48am

re: #39 jaunte

“As video of Capitol riot played, some GOP senators turned away”

Solution:

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 11:56:19am

re: #45 jaunte

How is the defense going to fill their time trying to defend insurrection?

They plan to show video of Democrats making fiery statements, none of which resulted in the audience immediately becoming a murderous mob.

jeffreyw Feb 9, 2021 • 11:56:42am

re: #44 Belafon

That should be an ad next year.

That is so they can say that they saw nothing that changed their minds without fear of bursting into flames.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 11:59:14am

re: #49 ericblair

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your glazzies.”

Teddy's Person Feb 9, 2021 • 11:59:36am

re: #45 jaunte

How is the defense going to fill their time trying to defend insurrection?

They will both sides this bitch. As I type, one of Moscow Mitch’s minions is putting together a video of BLM protests designed to imply that they were just as violent as the Capitol rioters. There will probably be some video of Trump (filmed in the tackiest room at Mar-a-Grifto and produced by Mark Burnett) where he will reiterate the Big Lie and incite his supporters to even more violence.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:02:01pm

NPR reported that Republicans didn’t even watch the video of the violence at the Capitol. That, to me, implies culpability and guilt.

— skullsinthestars - Black lives matter (@drskyskull) February 9, 2021

Eclectic Cyborg Feb 9, 2021 • 12:03:24pm

re: #54 jaunte

Kind of like when an attacker doesn’t want to make eye contact with his victim in court.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:05:23pm

Interesting that Trump’s lawyers begin by calling the events of January 6 repugnant and that they won’t defend any of it. That’s precisely what Trump didn’t say on January 6. Quite an easy mark for House Managers to hit back on.

— Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) February 9, 2021

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:06:54pm

Surprised that Trump’s lawyer called him “former President”. He won’t like that.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:07:35pm

Trump’s defense is that trying to overthrow the government is constitutional but holding him accountable for it is not.

— Windsor Mann (@WindsorMann) February 9, 2021

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:07:45pm

Trump’s lawyer calls for him to be prosecuted!

lawhawk Feb 9, 2021 • 12:13:36pm

Outfuckingstanding.

Bankrupt Bongino? Yeah, his economic bankruptcy matches his moral bankruptcy. This treasonweasel enabler is now paying costs for filing a bogus defamation case against Daily Beast. https://t.co/K9lksMWT5x

— lawhawk #maskingforafriend (@lawhawk) February 9, 2021

Dread Pirate Ron Feb 9, 2021 • 12:14:17pm

Is this guy trying to bore us to death?

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:14:38pm

Castor is not taking this seriously.

lawhawk Feb 9, 2021 • 12:14:51pm

re: #59 No Malarkey!

Trump’s lawyer calls for him to be prosecuted!

He’s calling on Trump to be prosecuted, where Trump’s lawyers will claim the only avenue for action is impeachment since he was in office and protected by Executive Privilege.

The sum total of Trump defense is to claim that he’s above the law and can never be held responsible for his actions or the actions of those he incited to violence.

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:15:18pm

Trump’s lawyer is talking about anything except the case. Just giving Senators a tongue bath.

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 12:15:25pm

re: #60 lawhawk

He’ll be knocking over gumball machines in a week.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:15:44pm

Is this a legal argument? I am only a caveman and unfamiliar with your modern legal ways.#ImpeachmentTrial

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) February 9, 2021

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:16:36pm

re: #63 lawhawk

He’s calling on Trump to be prosecuted, where Trump’s lawyers will claim the only avenue for action is impeachment since he was in office and protected by Executive Privilege.

The sum total of Trump defense is to claim that he’s above the law and can never be held responsible for his actions or the actions of those he incited to violence.

No way the founders intended the President to be an absolute monarch.

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 12:17:26pm

re: #67 No Malarkey!

No way the founders intended the President to be an absolute monarch.

You know that and I know that, but they’re going to do their best to try and persuade us that’s not true. Alternative facts!

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:17:30pm

You won’t hear any member of TRUMP’S TEAM praise the insurrectionists.

Trump himself, though, said they were “great patriots” who should “remember this day forever.”

The sad fact is that Trump’s lawyer could admit he’s guilty and the GOP would still refuse to convict. https://t.co/tYWHmU6m9i

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 12:17:38pm

Did this asshole really say that Senators have an obligation to be partisan?

Trump’s defense is basically PARTY LOYALTY.

DodgerFan1988 Feb 9, 2021 • 12:18:29pm

Fuck anyone who tells us to “move on.”

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) February 9, 2021

Punish Domestic Terrorists Feb 9, 2021 • 12:19:54pm

re: #71 DodgerFan1988

Has Joe apologized for being one of the liars who radicalized the rubes?

Teddy's Person Feb 9, 2021 • 12:20:38pm

Castor sounds like he’s reading the Early American History Mad Lib he filled out in the car on the way to the Capitol.

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:20:55pm

Bruce Castor is just babbling incoherently, but it doesn’t matter. He’s well aware the GOP isn’t going to listen to any arguments anyway.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:20:57pm

From downstairs:

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was a close-run thing. He might not have won the popular vote, but had the EC vote only come down to one state, god knows what would have happened.

Don’t forget that for all his mismanagement of Covid, he still got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.

Bogus.

This would be valid if the same total number of people voted in both elections, But turnout was much higher this time, and far more of the “new” voters came out for Biden than for DT. By percentages, DT got 46% of the vote and Clinton got 48% in 2016. In 2020, DT got a whole 1% more (47%), but Biden got 51.3%.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:21:07pm

If he doesn’t want to use all his allotted time, I bet people would be okay with that.

— S.V. Dáte (@svdate) February 9, 2021

TedStriker Feb 9, 2021 • 12:21:07pm

And, now, for something completely not serious:

I wasn’t the one lucky enough to actually discover this VIN; somehow, a Twitter user named Neokai spotted it, though I’m not sure exactly how. VINs, while visible from the outside of a car, aren’t exactly eye-catching, but maybe the sheer glory of it caused it to cast some sort of unearthly light.

Anyway, here’s the VIN:

7FART6H90LE000420

Wow. They should have sent a poet.

jalopnik.com

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:23:04pm

not a single word so far about evidence or law.

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) February 9, 2021

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 12:23:20pm

re: #77 TedStriker

You want “blockquote” in the brackets.

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:23:41pm

I was unaware this trial was related to the fabulousness of senators, which seems to be all Castor is arguing.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:23:58pm

Just for background the lawyer currently speaking on behalf of Trump was the PA prosecutor who refused to prosecute Cosby and then when his successor brought charges he testified in court that he had a secret deal with Cosby not to ever prosecute. (Judge didn’t buy it.) pic.twitter.com/FG8ECAdmII

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) February 9, 2021

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:24:05pm

He just made a stupid argument that British law has zero precedental value, which is completely false.

Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 9, 2021 • 12:24:55pm

re: #60 lawhawk

And it gets better:
OAN parent company ordered to pay MSNBC, Rachel Maddow $250,000 after losing defamation lawsuit

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:25:28pm

re: #82 No Malarkey!

Of course, sometimes English precedent doesn’t apply because of our Constl design. But our Founders most certainly looked to English traditions for all sorts of things—sometimes they deviated, sometimes they embraced. For impeachment, they obviously embraced as Phil.Debates show

— Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) February 9, 2021

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:26:18pm

Freedums!!!! I think I’ll go shout “fire” in a crowded theater and see how that goes.

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:26:20pm

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this Castor fellow is a goddamned idiot in an expensive hot dog suit. This is amazingly pathetic.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:26:51pm

a politician should be able to say exactly what he feels. like let’s storm the capitol, put everyone’s life in danger, and prevent the peaceful execution of power.

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) February 9, 2021

Grunthos the Flatulent Feb 9, 2021 • 12:28:13pm

re: #12 jeffreyw

A little snack while watching:

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Where’s the pineapple?

I’m a dead man, aren’t I?

Teddy's Person Feb 9, 2021 • 12:28:21pm

Castor is Billy Flynn without the razzle dazzle.

TedStriker Feb 9, 2021 • 12:28:28pm

re: #79 Belafon

You want “blockquote” in the brackets.

Fixed… I’m mobile right now (waiting while the windows on my new 2020 Sentra are getting tinted) and the create post pop-up wasn’t showing the “easy” buttons in the upper right corner in Chrome on my phone for some reason, so I was trying to remember the proper syntax.

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 12:28:50pm

I was going to say something witty but someone else already said it, so FLOODGATES!

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:29:18pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

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Freepers are unimpressed with Castor.

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:29:54pm

Here’s the real argument embedded in the flood of Bruce Castor’s words: this is a partisan impeachment of Trump and the slippery slope principle means it should not go forward…

— Susan Glasser (@sbg1) February 9, 2021

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:30:29pm

Give the the slippery slope principle an inch and it takes a light year.

lawhawk Feb 9, 2021 • 12:30:38pm

re: #84 jaunte

Property law is one area where English common law has its marks. Same with tort law.

We diverge after becoming our own nation and our own laws, but that’s entirely predictable. There’s drift in how law changes as you move away from a common point.

The other reason we don’t normally mention English common law much in US cases is that we have such a voluminous amount of caselaw of our own that there’s no need to refer to English law.

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 12:31:19pm

re: #93 jaunte

His logic is actually sound. If this was a partisan impeachment, I would agree that we should not go forward. The problem is that his premise is absolutely and unequivocally false, which means that his conclusion is the biggest flaming dumpster of hot garbage.

jeffreyw Feb 9, 2021 • 12:31:21pm

re: #88 Grunthos the Flatulent

Where’s the pineapple?

I’m a dead man, aren’t I?

Reminds me, I need to bake an upside down cake.

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:31:42pm

What should *really* be rare: electing a malignant narcissist con man as president. https://t.co/2evrxv22sv

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 12:31:55pm

Fast & Furious! Drink!

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No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:32:22pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Property law is one area where English common law has its marks. Same with tort law.

We diverge after becoming our own nation and our own laws, but that’s entirely predictable. There’s drift in how law changes as you move away from a common point.

The other reason we don’t normally mention English common law much in US cases is that we have such a voluminous amount of caselaw of our own that there’s no need to refer to English law.

But in this case there have been few impeachments.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:32:33pm

re: #96 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

I think he knows, which explains the multiple wrappers of folksiness, badly told stories, and bullshit.

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Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:33:34pm

YOURE ALL GETTING VERY SLEEPY pic.twitter.com/bT36OFhKEq

— Yelia B Semaj 🌐 (@americology) February 9, 2021

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:34:04pm

re: #26 IngisKahn

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Add: Avery Brooks missed his timing and broke Marc Alaimo’s nose on the set. Alaimo was rushed to the hospital in full Dukat rig.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:34:06pm

HE DOESN’T WANT TO STEAL THE THUNDER FROM THE OTHER LAWYERS

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lawhawk Feb 9, 2021 • 12:34:58pm

re: #96 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

His logic is actually sound. If this was a partisan impeachment, I would agree that we should not go forward. The problem is that his premise is absolutely and unequivocally false, which means that his conclusion is the biggest flaming dumpster of hot garbage.

It was a bipartisan impeachment. Both Democrats and Republicans in the house voted to impeach.

It’s the Senate GOP that is convinced that this is not constitutional (it is), and they’ve done so by baffling with bulkshit and smoke and mirrors.

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No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:35:54pm

The notion that attempting a violent coup that got people killed is just another partisan “outrage” that the lofty Senate should consider beneath it’s dignity is obscene.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:36:00pm

Castor arguing (I think) that you can’t try this case because the parties may switch control and the Republicans may impeach former Democratic officials. Slippery slope argument. Once again Trump is norm-buster.

— Daniel Goldman (@danielsgoldman) February 9, 2021

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Teddy's Person Feb 9, 2021 • 12:36:01pm

I just had a lovely thought. Trump has to endure all of this without being able to send out a whiny tweetstorm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:36:11pm

I just hope Bruce Castor is grateful that Trump can’t tweet about what he’s doing here.#ImpeachmentTrial

— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) February 9, 2021

110

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:36:23pm

A ten second argument stretched to the boring point.

111

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:36:26pm

Castor says he “doesn’t want to steal the thunder from the other lawyers,” and I laughed so loud I woke up the dog next door.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

112

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 12:36:57pm

re: #105 lawhawk

It was a bipartisan impeachment. Both Democrats and Republicans in the house voted to impeach.

It’s the Senate GOP that is convinced that this is not constitutional (it is), and they’ve done so by baffling with bulkshit and smoke and mirrors.

Their definition of “partisan” is, “The Democrats are doing this to get revenge on Trump purely because they hate him.” They are trying to sell the alternate reality that has been built up since November 2016 that Trump was a wildly successful and wildly popular President and that his opposition is irrationally fixated on undoing him for no valid reason, and everything to the contrary is Fake News.

113

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:37:15pm

re: #104 jaunte

HE DOESN’T WANT TO STEAL THE THUNDER FROM THE OTHER LAWYERS

He doesn’t need to worry about that unless they’re just as bad.

114

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 12:37:25pm

re: #108 Teddy’s Person

I just had a lovely thought. Trump has to endure all of this without being able to send out a whiny tweetstorm.

115

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:37:42pm

TAPPER: *shows Trump’s tweet defending the violence*

CASTOR: pic.twitter.com/RoAUjfJ4uY

— NotATweeter16 (@NotATweeter16) February 9, 2021

116

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 12:38:06pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I’ve tried wooden picks but I don’t think I’ve used rosewood. I like just a little bit of flexibility in a pick, though, so I didn’t really like them. Also, they’re comparatively expensive and still wear out.

I’m a fanatic about having nice smooth edges in a pick. Any kind of roughness or irregularity and I can feel it.

When I was still having neuropathy/gripping issues in my fingers after chemo, I grabbed some dimpled textured picks from Sam Ash. That made a huge difference in being able to hold the damn things until my fingers cleared up.

117

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 12:39:05pm

finally reaching an argument, and it’s literally the weakest one they have.

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) February 9, 2021

118

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:40:23pm

Oh, boy. Someone needs to tell Mr. Castor that Majorie Taylor Greene has already introduced articles of impeachment. So the “slippery slope” argument is kind of limp.

78/

— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) February 9, 2021

“Nebraska is quite a judicial-thinking place.” What? What?

80/

— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) February 9, 2021

It might have been the show China Beach? It’s not important.

82/

— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) February 9, 2021

119

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 12:41:34pm

re: #117 jaunte

Honestly, Trump’s lawyers could get up there and shit all over the podium if they wanted. They know that the fix is in on this. They literally could just get up, say “Trump’s innocent”, and walk off. There is no way any more Republicans are going to suddenly develop morals at this point and vote to convict.

120

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:42:20pm

Bruce Castor warns Eric Holder might be impeached next.

?

— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) February 9, 2021

Eric Holder, at home, watching Castor on TV pic.twitter.com/pNNBOo7PFQ

— Blue Hog Report (@BlueHogReport) February 9, 2021

121

lawhawk Feb 9, 2021 • 12:42:45pm

So, what we’re saying here in the Castor critique is that Sidney Powell would have been more competent?

Because that’s what I’m hearing.

— lawhawk #maskingforafriend (@lawhawk) February 9, 2021

122

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:43:08pm

In my recurring “I’m not prepared and yet I’m talking anyway” nightmare, if I got to a point where I said “Nebraska is quite the judicial thinking place,” I think that’s the time I would wake up yelling and sweating.

— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) February 9, 2021

123

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 12:43:13pm

The reason I sound like I don’t have an argument is because I have nothing to say.

This guy finished high school?

124

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 12:43:17pm

re: #119 Mattand

Honestly, Trump’s lawyers could get up there and shit all over the podium if they wanted. They know that the fix is in on this. They literally could just get up, say “Trump’s innocent”, and walk off. There is no way any more Republicans are going to suddenly develop morals at this point and vote to convict.

I realize this is our expected outcome, but Republicans in the Senate aren’t the only audience.

125

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:43:21pm

“The reason I’m having trouble with the argument is…” https://t.co/cQWtoL6pQ6 pic.twitter.com/B7IxnE31iL

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

126

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 12:44:19pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bruce Castor warns Eric Holder might be impeached next.

?

That’s the Republican warning shot of “We are going to impeach Biden as a tit-for-tat as soon as we can. Not if, but when.”

127

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 12:44:53pm

I’ve had more coherent conversations with people tripping balls at a music festival.

— a different darth (@darthstar99) February 9, 2021

128

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:46:33pm

I am devastated by the news of a mass shooting and bombing in Wright County, Minnesota. My thoughts are with all the victims and their families right now. https://t.co/KT0m8JRKJ7

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) February 9, 2021

129

Punish Domestic Terrorists Feb 9, 2021 • 12:46:48pm

re: #123 darthstar

The reason I sound like I don’t have an argument is because I have nothing to say.

This guy finished high school?

He may have gone to a Conservative 2+2 = Jesus school.

130

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:46:54pm

What if, and bear with me-I’m just hypothesizing here, Biden doesn’t incite a mob to insurrection? Will he still be subject to impeachment?

131

HRH Stanley Sea Feb 9, 2021 • 12:47:19pm

Reminder that Lindsey Graham literally laughed out loud when Trey Gowdy asked him why Butch Bowers and Co departed the Trump legal team.

Graham: “You get what you pay for”

— Alan He (@alanhe) February 9, 2021

132

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:47:25pm

The fear, Mr. Castor, is that if Trump is the nominee again, he’ll attempt another violent coup, like he did on January 6th. And arguing it’s wrong to impose a penalty the Constitution expressly provides for is just stupid.

133

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:47:37pm

re: #130 calochortus

What if, and bear with me-I’m just hypothesizing here, Biden doesn’t incite a mob to insurrection? Will he still be subject to impeachment?

yes, because Hunter…

134

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 12:48:15pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, FUCK. That’s not too far from here.

135

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:48:43pm

“And I’ve gotten lost in the Capitol before, many times”

No sh*t, who would have guessed it

“ATHENS ROME uhhhh lessons of history.”

Why is his tie so tiny?

— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) February 9, 2021

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calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:49:41pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, because Hunter…

Oh yeah. Right.

137

retired cynic Feb 9, 2021 • 12:49:47pm

What the frickin’ hell does this have to do with anything?

138

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 12:50:41pm

re: #130 calochortus

What if, and bear with me-I’m just hypothesizing here, Biden doesn’t incite a mob to insurrection? Will he still be subject to impeachment?

Laptop!!!

139

TedStriker Feb 9, 2021 • 12:50:42pm

re: #103 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Add: Avery Brooks missed his timing and broke Marc Alaimo’s nose on the set. Alaimo was rushed to the hospital in full Dukat rig.

That’s awesome. Awful for the actors, but awesome.

140

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 12:50:50pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

One more reason why I left religion behind, and one more reason I will never vote Republican again.

141

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:50:55pm

Except if the coup succeeds, then Trump isn’t subject to criminal prosecution either.

142

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 12:51:00pm

re: #54 jaunte

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they are afraid
they have no courage
and most of all they are derelict in their duty as jurors

NPR reported that Republicans didn’t even watch the video of the violence at the Capitol. That, to me, implies culpability and guilt.

— skullsinthestars - Black lives matter (@drskyskull) February 9, 2021

143

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:52:29pm

So the next guy is also presenting the “Senators Rock!” defense?

144

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 12:54:00pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

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hot dog suit….
…boiled in pasta water

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this Castor fellow is a goddamned idiot in an expensive hot dog suit. This is amazingly pathetic.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

145

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:54:06pm

re: #143 calochortus

So the next guy is also presenting the “Senators Rock!” defense?

Impeaching Trump is required to protect the Constitution.

146

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 12:54:55pm

re: #144 Dangerman

hot dog suit….
…boiled in pasta water

That’s fine, but I’m not using it for coffee.

147

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 12:55:03pm

Sounds like open mic night at the Burning Of The Constitution Bar and Grill

148

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 12:55:36pm

-Saltyarmyanon 7 points 21 minutes ago +7 / -0
My guess is Team Trump wants to loose part 1 of this Sham impeachment so they can get more time to present evidence in part 2. Only logical explanation for this sad display of “defense”

149

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:55:56pm

A PADDYNODDY a lengthy, longwinded story or speech that ultimately proves flawed, or makes no sense.

— Haggard Hawks 🦅 (@HaggardHawks) February 9, 2021

150

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 12:56:29pm

re: #148 Nyet

-Dirtbuggy 1 point 14 minutes ago +1 / -0
I pray you’re right because this opening defence is like watching paint dry, he’s saying literally nothing.

151

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:56:50pm

PARTISAN FORCEFEEDING!

152

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:56:56pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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Reminders

1) Bruce Castor is the crooked DA who gave Cosby pass after pass

and

2) That ass is running to be PA Governor in 2022.

153

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:57:18pm

This guy is making a red meat argument for Trump and MAGA nation.

154

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 12:57:28pm

So now we’re being told that the minority (74 million voters) need to be given more power.

155

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 12:57:31pm

I confess I’m a little disappointed we don’t get to see a sweating, blind drunk Rudy Giuliani today.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

156

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 12:57:43pm

somebody should tell Schoen that it’s all just a reality show…

157

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 12:58:01pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody should tell Schoen that it’s all just a reality show…

More scripted than WWE.

158

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 12:58:05pm

re: #148 Nyet

-Saltyarmyanon 7 points 21 minutes ago +7 / -0
My guess is Team Trump wants to loose part 1 of this Sham impeachment so they can get more time to present evidence in part 2. Only logical explanation for this sad display of “defense”

maybe they’re just not very good at this

159

Teddy's Person Feb 9, 2021 • 12:58:33pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

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You’ll always have Four Season Total Landscaping.

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nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 12:58:36pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

That would be the candle on the shit cake this is.

161

Yeah Sure WhatEVs Feb 9, 2021 • 12:59:21pm

re: #72 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Has Joe apologized for being one of the liars who radicalized the rubes?

Repeatedly and full throatedly. He admitted to his complicity.

Walsh is still am ahole (in my opinion) but he’s a self aware one.

162

Eventual Carrion Feb 9, 2021 • 12:59:34pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was I asleep for a large portion of the last 10 years or so? When was Eric Holder president?

163

The Pie Overlord! Feb 9, 2021 • 12:59:37pm

This whiny little shit is the “Shomer Shabbos” lawyer? Walter Sobchak would kick his ass.

164

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 12:59:46pm

-IFoughtWithWallace 9 points 42 minutes ago +9 / -0
Okay so Caster isn’t doing his job. Is this on purpose? I don’t know. What I do know, is this is not an effective opening for his client, our beloved President.

165

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:00:21pm

re: #162 Eventual Carrion

Was I asleep for a large portion of the last 10 years or so? When was Eric Holder president?

Other federal officials can be impeached.

166

retired cynic Feb 9, 2021 • 1:00:30pm

Good grief! Schoen is worse than Caster!

167

retired cynic Feb 9, 2021 • 1:00:42pm

BASE HATRED!

168

A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:00:54pm

Interesting. The defense second lawyer person just said they’ll stipulate that the riot happened, so the House Managers don’t have to show any pictures. Could it be that they fear that repug senators might be swayed by it? Or maybe just the rest of us?

169

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:01:14pm

Wow David Schoen —Roger Stone’s lawyer who now reps Trump-is telling us that this trial will cause a literal civil war. He is not warning us- he’s threatening us. He’s clearly trying to incite anger by Trump supporters.

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 9, 2021

170

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 1:01:25pm

re: #168 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Interesting. The defense second lawyer person just said they’ll stipulate that the riot happened, so the House Managers don’t have to show any pictures. Could it be that they fear that repug senators might be swayed by it? Or maybe just the rest of us?

Yes.

171

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:01:39pm

Trump was President just 20 days ago. And the coup was just 34 days ago.

172

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:01:39pm

Schoen is equally as incoherent as Castor, but with a nasty wingnut edge to it.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

173

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 1:02:18pm

re: #171 No Malarkey!

Trump was President just 20 days ago. And the coup was just 34 days ago.

Practically a lifetime.

174

b.d. (America is Great Again) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:02:25pm

I wonder who tomorrow’s lawyers will be?

175

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:02:45pm

re: #168 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Interesting. The defense second lawyer person just said they’ll stipulate that the riot happened, so the House Managers don’t have to show any pictures. Could it be that they fear that repug senators might be swayed by it? Or maybe just the rest of us?

Defense attorneys never want the visceral evidence of their violent crimes in evidence.

176

bratwurst Feb 9, 2021 • 1:03:14pm

Where Bruce Castor went with “amiable dunce,” David Schoen seems to be going for “dumb asshole.”

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) February 9, 2021

177

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:03:15pm

I admit I was starting to not see the point of having an impeachment trial. But I do now.

The House managers’ case is devastating. Trump’s attorney is a gibbering mess. Every Senate Republican will have to go on record to the American people that they’re okay with this.

— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) February 9, 2021

178

b.d. (America is Great Again) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:03:44pm

Expect an angry tweet from the Mar-A-Lago Dinner Menu Twitter account shortly.

179

Yeah Sure WhatEVs Feb 9, 2021 • 1:04:35pm

re: #97 jeffreyw

Reminds me, I need to bake an upside down cake.

Imma gonna make an Elvis Presley cake.

southernplate.com

180

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:04:42pm

Wow David Schoen —Roger Stone’s lawyer who now reps Trump-is telling us that this trial will cause a literal civil war. He is not warning us- he’s threatening us. He’s clearly trying to incite anger by Trump supporters.

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 9, 2021

Trump lawyer David Schoen is now attacking the Democrats as hating America. So much for unity. This man wants a civil war to help Trump. How is it that the American Bar Association allow lawyers like this to keep their license?

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 9, 2021

181

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 1:04:43pm

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182

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 1:04:55pm

re: #168 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Interesting. The defense second lawyer person just said they’ll stipulate that the riot happened, so the House Managers don’t have to show any pictures. Could it be that they fear that repug senators might be swayed by it? Or maybe just the rest of us?

Now: You don’t have to show pictures.
Later: Democrats never presented any evidence of any capitol riots.

183

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:05:15pm

You don’t have a due process right to two trials.

184

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 1:06:33pm

I like these greatest hits videos - Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

185

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 1:07:07pm

They maay have messed up their script.
Isn’t it usual to have the “bad cop” go before the “good cop?”

186

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 1:07:45pm

re: #168 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Interesting. The defense second lawyer person just said they’ll stipulate that the riot happened, so the House Managers don’t have to show any pictures. Could it be that they fear that repug senators might be swayed by it? Or maybe just the rest of us?

He just showed pics of Democrats calling for impeachment, so fuck him.

187

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 1:08:07pm

re: #185 calochortus

They maay have messed up their script.
Isn’t it usual to have the “bad cop” go before the “good cop?”

It depends on who’s defining “good cop.”

188

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 1:08:47pm

Believe it or not, this is his official picture. *blecchh*

189

Teddy's Person Feb 9, 2021 • 1:08:52pm

re: #178 b.d. (America is Great Again)

Expect an angry tweet from the Mar-A-Lago Dinner Menu Twitter account shortly.

You made me look it up. Trump Mar-A-Lago has a twitter account created in 2016. To date, the account has not tweeted a thing. I’m actually surprise Trump hasn’t hijacked the account.

190

Sherlock Hound Feb 9, 2021 • 1:09:22pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

If I hear this on FB, my only reply:

“You’re on.”

Patton said you had to make the other guy die for his Confederacy, um, country.
“You’re on.”

191

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:10:21pm

re: #188 Nyet

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Believe it or not, this is his official picture. *blecchh*

He looks like Dim Jim Hoft’s dimmer brother.

192

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:10:28pm

Hmmm, Trump lawyer David Schoen shows almost all black and hispanic Democrats in his video. Wonder why? #ImpeachmentTrial

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 9, 2021

Interesting how Trump lawyer David Schoen’s video overrepresented Muslims in his video showing Democrats criticizing Trump. Wonder why? Oh yeah we know why. #ImpeachmentTrial

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 9, 2021

193

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 1:11:05pm

re: #191 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

He looks like Dim Jim Hoft’s dimmer brother.

I mean, in “real life” (on video) he looks much better than the creature on the photo.

194

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:11:41pm

re: #193 Nyet

I mean, in “real life” (on video) he looks much better than the creature on the photo.

That’s fair. I’m not watching so I don’t have that vantage point.

195

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 1:12:05pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ilhan Omar
@IlhanMN
I am devastated by the news of a mass shooting and bombing in Wright County, Minnesota. My thoughts are with all the victims and their families right now.

That’s in Tom Emmer’s district.

196

A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:12:46pm

Someone tell Schoen about the difference between an indictment (impeachment) and a trial (of impeachment). No rush to judgement has happened, this is the beginning of the “judgement” phase. By the way, I seem to remember that they made this exact argument last time.

Also, I can feel brain cells dying as this “argument” goes on. I may not be listening much longer…

197

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:12:47pm

ZOOMIES ALERT 🐶 pic.twitter.com/OPDiDPvunh

— Enquirer (@Enquirer) February 9, 2021

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Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 1:13:11pm

re: #194 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

Here he looks just normal, reminding me of Dersh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:14:47pm

How bad is Bruce Castor’s presentation in defense of Trump so far? Newsmax cuts into it so Alan Dershowitz can trash it.

“There is no argument. I have no idea what he’s doing. I have no idea why he’s saying what he’s saying!” pic.twitter.com/3tVD9V3UcZ

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) February 9, 2021

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:17:57pm

And I thought Trump drank water in a odd way. pic.twitter.com/DZaA9lD05s

— Coach Z Basketball (@coachzhoops) February 9, 2021

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nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 1:18:07pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boxer snow tower #TerrificTuesday pic.twitter.com/kCp9sviEQw

— M_Crouton (@m_crouton) February 9, 2021

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Feb 9, 2021 • 1:18:14pm

re: #189 Teddy’s Person

You made me look it up. Trump Mar-A-Lago has a twitter account created in 2016. To date, the account has not tweeted a thing. I’m actually surprise Trump hasn’t hijacked the account.

Either no one knows the password or are refusing to give it to him.

203

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 1:18:39pm

OK, so due process means you need an opportunity to defend yourself, says the accused’s lawyer, while defending his client.
Sigh.

204

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:19:01pm

“They want to put you through a 16 hour presentation, over two days, focusing on this as if it were some side of blood sport … this is a process fueled irresponsibly by base hatred” — David Schoen is angry pic.twitter.com/ZfGps6bIUz

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 9, 2021

205

calochortus Feb 9, 2021 • 1:19:31pm

I think it’s time for a mental health break. Catch you later.

206

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 1:20:02pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of Peter Jackson’s Bad Taste.

He also finds that his brain is leaking out the back of his head, so he stuffs it back in and uses a hat to hold it in place.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:20:22pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is customary to say a blessing before eating or drinking, and in order to make a blessing the head has to be covered, so he is using his hand for an emergency kippah.

I am embarrassed, being an Orthodox Jew, that this guy is defending Trump in this grotesque performance, but not by his making a blessing on a drink of water.

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Khal Wimpo (exhaling for 1st time in 4 yrs) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:20:26pm

re: #119 Mattand

Honestly, Trump’s lawyers could get up there and shit all over the podium if they wanted. They know that the fix is in on this. They literally could just get up, say “Trump’s innocent”, and walk off. There is no way any more Republicans are going to suddenly develop morals at this point and vote to convict.

They could really go off - golden opportunity. I mean, why not?

“Senators, let’s cut the shit. We all know the score. Trump did it. You know he did it. He knows you know. But that doesn’t matter, does it?

“Because if you dare to even THINK about voting to convict, Trump will be outside your house with a mob of freaks with assault rifles, and you’ll end your pathetic life nailed to a cross screaming as you watch your family doused with gasoline. So fuck you. Fuck you all. (*farts into microphone, flips the bird*)”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs Feb 9, 2021 • 1:20:55pm

re: #142 Dangerman

they are afraid
they have no courage
and most of all they are derelict in their duty as jurors

They’re not derelict, they’re complicit.

210

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 1:21:23pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Forgot he didn’t have his hairpiece on?

211

Romantic Heretic Feb 9, 2021 • 1:21:43pm

re: #43 DesertDenizen

Cowards. Too afraid to own their creation?

Like Heinrich Himmler.

Once, once, he watched his thugs at work. He turned a nasty shade of green and practically fled back to his car and then his office.

Never did that again.

The resemblances between our fscists and the last group grow by the minute.

212

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:22:23pm

re: #209 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

They’re not derelict, they’re complicit.

And they will pretty much be a textbook definition of the difference between bias and prejudice.

213

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:22:50pm

This is a remarkably stupid argument.

214

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:23:27pm

Hey David Schoen-
those 74mil ppl are addicted to lies.

Racist lies abt Obama’s birth & immigration
Economic lies abt coal & manufacturing
Medical lies abt Covid
Murderous lies abt an election

They’ve earned being disenfranchised from voting Combover Caligula #ImpeachmentTrial

— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) February 9, 2021

215

A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:23:34pm

Now he’s just talking to run out the clock.

216

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:24:16pm

David Schoen’s argument takes the cake…

We’re talking SERIOUS ELVIS CAKE!

southernplate.com

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nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 1:24:36pm

re: #213 No Malarkey!

They have a remarkably stupid base.
Now if they could just drag a black man in and ask “Do you want this dating your daughter” it would be complete.

218

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 1:24:50pm

Schoen is shifting around on his feet like he forgot to pee before this session began.

— a different darth (@darthstar99) February 9, 2021

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jeffreyw Feb 9, 2021 • 1:24:54pm

re: #179 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Imma gonna make an Elvis Presley cake.

southernplate.com

That looks yummy!

220

darthstar Feb 9, 2021 • 1:25:30pm

Just saying the words “due process” and “fair trial” every five minutes isn’t an argument. And 50/50 is as fair a jury as you can get.

221

Dread Pirate Ron Feb 9, 2021 • 1:27:27pm

It’s the ‘baffle them with bullshit defence.”

222

Khal Wimpo (exhaling for 1st time in 4 yrs) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:27:27pm

re: #217 nines09

They have a remarkably stupid base.
Now if they could just drag a black man in and ask “Do you want this dating your daughter” it would be complete.

Anyone want to wander over to FreeRepublic and see what’s going on over there?

223

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:28:25pm

Schoen is a committed insurrectionist.

224

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 1:28:46pm

re: #220 darthstar

Just saying the words “due process” and “fair trial” every five minutes isn’t an argument. And 50/50 is as fair a jury as you can get.

hell enough of the jury already stated the verdict before the trial began

225

Dave In Austin Feb 9, 2021 • 1:29:26pm

re: #222 Khal Wimpo (exhaling for 1st time in 4 yrs)

Anyone want to wander over to FreeRepublic and see what’s going on over there?

My Congressman’s FB page (personal) Roger Williams, is a hot mess.

226

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:29:32pm

The irony of Trump’s lawyer complaining about “snap judgment” at the beginning of a week long trial.

227

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:30:04pm

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:30:44pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Plug the blowhole to contain overspray.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:30:52pm

I find the due process argument basically insane. The Senate isn’t a court of law. There are crucial differences between an impeachment trial and a criminal trial. And the very fact that Trump’s lawyer is speaking would suggest that he is receiving due process!

— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) February 9, 2021

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Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 1:31:32pm

President Joe Biden will eventually invite Donald Trump to the White House for a presidential portrait unveiling, Politico reports.
Trump refused to extend this traditional courtesy to Barack Obama, but Biden will restart it.

Said press secretary Jen Psaki: “I have not been given any indication that we would break with tradition in that regard.”

NOT on AF1
and as a reminder that he~~’s not the president any more~~ lost and who he lost to

231

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:31:48pm

This isn’t a bill of attainder. The Constitution explicitly provides for impeachment trials by the legislature, so it can’t be unconstitutional.

232

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:31:53pm

Is this really a thing?

Daniel Goldman: “Mr. Schoen is an observant Jew who must cover his head when he takes a sip of water and quietly says a blessing. Since he is not wearing a kippah, he therefore covers his head with his hand.”

— dani (@phantomangell) February 9, 2021

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:32:10pm

So the first Trump lawyer was a folksy “I’m just a caveman lawyer” smarmy charmer and the second bit is what it would sound like if Trump got his twitter account back. #ImpeachmentTrial

— Christine Pelosi (@sfpelosi) February 9, 2021

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:32:42pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

He is saying a blessing before drinking. The head has to be covered while praying so he is using his hand as an emergency kippah.

I am embarrassed enough that this guy is defending Trump in such a grotesque performance but let’s not make fun of him for the way he prays.

235

A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:33:00pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Is this really a thing?

Yes. VB describes it upthread.

ETA: 18 seconds!

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🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:33:46pm

re: #219 jeffreyw

That looks yummy!

Mom ‘s family ALWAYS had an obsession with Duncan Hines cake mixes.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:33:59pm

This is a rigged game. Schoen knows GOP senators *need* to say the trial itself is illegitimate, to give themselves a way to acquit while dodging taking a stand on what Trump actually did. He’s just handing them the argument they need to justify giving *themselves* that fig leaf.

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) February 9, 2021

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Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:34:27pm

re: #234 The Pie Overlord!

He is saying a blessing before drinking. The head has to be covered while praying so he is using his hand as an emergency kippah.

I am embarrassed enough that this guy is defending Trump in such a grotesque performance but let’s not make fun of him for the way he prays.

Not making fun of him, I’ve just never seen that before.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:34:41pm

He’d have a strong case on this bill of attainder argument if it weren’t for the fact that what they doing here is specifically provided for by the constitution.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 9, 2021

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Interesting Times Feb 9, 2021 • 1:36:02pm

re: #226 No Malarkey!

The irony of Trump’s lawyer complaining about “snap judgment” at the beginning of a week long trial.

So that’s what this refers to:

If you’re playing a drinking game, please take the word “snap” off your list immediately.

— Mary L Trump (@MaryLTrump) February 9, 2021

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:36:27pm

today’s mass shooting in Minnestoa

In 2019, Buffalo church told parishioners about a threatening letter they got from a Greg Ulrich. “The Buffalo Police Department was called and informed Pastor Ted that Mr. Ulrich is well known to them and recommended that a no trespassing order be issued” https://t.co/WRSypCvGzu https://t.co/HTl0Nw9cuB

— David Brauer (@dbrauer) February 9, 2021

242

Dr. Matt Feb 9, 2021 • 1:36:53pm

Let’s not play “The Chief Justice the is not presiding” drinking game because we’ll have alcohol poisoning by happy hour eastern time.

243

Khal Wimpo (exhaling for 1st time in 4 yrs) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:37:48pm

*sighs*

OK, I did it. Here’s a sampling:

To: conservative98
Neil Cavuto just stated as a fact that Trump was impeached “after inciting an insurrection” and that he was impeached by an “overwhelming majority” of the Congress.

Also said the democrats have “new evidence”.

9 posted on 2/9/2021, 12:04:19 PM by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)

I have watched these DC SCUM on both sides decimate a POTUS I LOVE for 4 years I will not watch one more minute of their BS!!!

20 posted on 2/9/2021, 12:10:35 PM by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)

And here’s the thread that’s rising fast:

“The only cause of death I heard for officer Sicknick was his skull was beaten with a fire extinguisher.”
______________________
Apparently not: No blunt force trauma according to this:

independentsentinel.com

256 posted on 2/9/2021, 3:24:10 PM by Ozymandias Ghost

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🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:38:00pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Is this really a thing?

[Embedded content]

Dad was Reformed Jewish. We don’t do it.

245

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:38:01pm

Deleting that tweet so I don’t get scolded all day.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:38:08pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

NOW: Hospital president says he can’t say whether any have succumbed to their injuries. Police chief says doesn’t know of motive, or any threats suspect made before shooting. “Most likely, this incident was targeted at that facility, or someone in that facility.” @MPRnews

— Tim Nelson (@timnelson_mpr) February 9, 2021

247

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 1:38:52pm

“I didn’t fear for my life, but yeah, there was a moment where I’m in my office, I’m armed, and I kind of think maybe I’m going to have to use my gun.”
— Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), in an interview on The Circus, recounting the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

unless he means i didnt fear for my life just then but i might soon, this makes no sense at all

and why do all these congressmen feel the need to be armed (before 1/6)

248

Yeah Sure WhatEVs Feb 9, 2021 • 1:39:38pm

re: #236 🌹UOJB!

Mom ‘s family ALWAYS had an obsession with Duncan Hines cake mixes.

I’m making homemade “box cake” mix because I no gots boxed cake mix.

249

jeffreyw Feb 9, 2021 • 1:40:05pm

re: #236 🌹UOJB!

Mom ‘s family ALWAYS had an obsession with Duncan Hines cake mixes.

Mrs J made brownies with a DH mix today. She will frost it with coconut pecan icing.

250

Interesting Times Feb 9, 2021 • 1:40:09pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

Why do I suspect this is exactly why he did it? A sleazy, bad-faith attempt to paint anyone who questions it as “anti-Semitic” (same as how he demanded the impeachment trial be put on hold during the Sabbath, figuring it wouldn’t be, and then when Schumer called his bluff, he was all “uh, never mind.”)

251

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:40:20pm

It appears that the Buffalo, Minnesota vaccination clinic shooter may have already had a history of disturbing behavior known to local law enforcement.

This is from the minutes of a local church meeting. https://t.co/rxRyOEvRCx pic.twitter.com/YJtPoR90nG

— Gwen Snyder is uncivil (@gwensnyderPHL) February 9, 2021

252

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:40:43pm

We are having an originalism v. a textualism argument!

253

austin_blue Feb 9, 2021 • 1:40:46pm

Just jumping in here with a question in the last thread:

re: #35 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Thanks.

I get the difference in faults and earthquakes.

But my confusion was whether the point events, in this case in relation to petroleum bearing formations and pumping, being reported on the Richter scale, follow the same energy scale as other earthquakes. Or if for the point earthquakes the Richter scale means something different.

Point events, whether it’s a collapsing coal mine, a rupture in an overpressured aquifer, a nuclear detonation, or a small shift in a crustal fault all release energy. The magnitude of the event is really an expression of the energy released by the event, which is what the Richter scale is. So energy released is the total energy, whether from a point event or a long rupture on a dip/slip or strike slip continental fault. The logarithmic nature of the scale means that small increases in apparent energy release are actually huge.

254

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:41:21pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great, so it’s someone who should have been receiving mental health care, most likely.

255

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 1:41:23pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

He’s playing the crowd? I mean, every religion has their, how do you say…..

256

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 1:43:02pm

re: #140 Mattand

Apparently the shooting at the med clinic in Buffalo, MN was not at a clinic that performs abortions. I jumped to conclusions when I saw “older white male gunman” and “clinic”. Apologies.

257

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:43:21pm

re: #256 Mattand

Apparently the shooting at the med clinic in Buffalo, MN was not at a clinic that performs abortions. I jumped to conclusions when I saw “older white male gunman” and “clinic”. Apologies.

My initial thought was that it was vaccine-related.

258

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 1:43:48pm

huh

“Last year, Philadelphia lawyer Michael van der Veen filed a lawsuit against then-President Donald Trump accusing him of making ‘repeated claims’ that mail voting is ripe with fraud ‘despite having no evidence in support of these claims,’” the Washington Post reports.

“This week, van der Veen is adopting a different posture as part of the team of attorneys defending Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election result in his Senate impeachment trial.”

259

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 1:43:54pm

re: #257 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

My initial thought was that it was vaccine-related.

Just a matter of time, unfortunately.

260

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:44:32pm

Schoen keeps saying that the only punishment for impeachment and conviction is removal, but that’s not true. Banishment from future office is also in the Constitution

— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) February 9, 2021

Lies by omission seems to be the defense strategy.

261

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:44:34pm

re: #259 Mattand

Just a matter of time, unfortunately.

And we have plenty of wingnut anti-vaxxer idiots on this side of the Twin Cities. Buffalo is kinda out in the boonies. It really wouldn’t surprise me.

262

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:44:56pm

This dude talking about unambiguous meaning and the whole thing is corrupt unless the Chief Justice presides is (and I cannot tell you how strongly) really fucking reminiscent of how lots of people think that constitutional clarity means that only local sheriffs are authority

— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) February 9, 2021

Y’all remember three days ago when the last guy said he’d taken up all the time

Anyway this dude has been talking through at least five years of life, right?

— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) February 9, 2021

263

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:45:12pm

Slippery slope now to include exhumations.

264

Khal Wimpo (exhaling for 1st time in 4 yrs) Feb 9, 2021 • 1:45:20pm

I must confess, I haven’t really understood why the Feds are letting so many rioters out on bail, or leaving them to walk around.

But then I remembered what the strategy is against an organized mafia: nail someone, bring them in, then put them back out on the street. Surveil. See who they reach out to. See if anybody tries to silence them. Figure out the connections.

Bring them in. Load on the heavy charges. See what happens next. They’ve gotten a taste of freedom. Now things are looking darker. When they were out, did they get into it with any of their compadres? Did we hear them conspire further?

Now the flipping begins.

The indictments against both the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys members make repeated references to “persons known and unknown,” suggesting that prosecutors are likely to bring more charges as they advance their investigations in the coming weeks and months — with department officials saying that much more serious charges of “seditious conspiracy” are likely to be leveled against certain rioters “very soon.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:46:07pm

re: #257 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

My initial thought was that it was vaccine-related.

apparently he was upset with his medical treatment

266

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:46:12pm

This presentation is more coherent than Castor but it still meanders all over the place and the weird intense energy makes it hard to follow.

Not that it matters. He could rip of his shirt and sing “Roxanne” and the GOP would shrug and still vote to acquit.

— digby (@digby56) February 9, 2021

267

Interesting Times Feb 9, 2021 • 1:46:43pm

If (or sadly, when) the senate fails to convict, can a vote still be held to bar t**** from running again?

268

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:47:40pm

I agree with Schoen on one thing. You cannot impeach someone who is no longer in office. You cannot go back and impeach Obama or Carter.

But Trump was impeached WHILE IN OFFICE.

What we are doing now is TRYING the impeachment.

— Nunca Trumpismo (@NeverTrumpTexan) February 9, 2021

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:48:16pm

re: #267 Interesting Times

If (or sadly, when) the senate fails to convict, can a vote still be held to bar t**** from running again?

Sadly, no. Securing a conviction is the prerequisite, as barring someone from running for office is part of the sentencing analogue.

270

jeffreyw Feb 9, 2021 • 1:48:43pm

re: #249 jeffreyw

Mrs J made brownies with a DH mix today. She will frost it with coconut pecan icing.

271

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:49:40pm

re: #267 Interesting Times

If (or sadly, when) the senate fails to convict, can a vote still be held to bar t**** from running again?

No.

272

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:49:47pm

Reporter: Watching the trial?

Pres. Biden: “I am not … I have a job … We’ve already lost over 450,000 people. We’re going to lose a whole lot more if we don’t act … Children are going to bed hungry. A lot of families are food insecure. They’re in trouble. That’s my job.” pic.twitter.com/p2ypRjKWGW

— NBC News (@NBCNews) February 9, 2021

273

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:49:49pm

Schoen’s argument that there’s a difference between a President who resigns and one whose term ends is completely incoherent, all the more so after spending so long harping on the text (which draws no such distinction).

— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) February 9, 2021

274

Eclectic Cyborg Feb 9, 2021 • 1:50:09pm

Okay, there’s a Buffalo IN Minnesota.

I was getting really confused there for a second.

275

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:50:32pm

This is a seriously wrong-headed argument, i.e he can still be prosecuted criminally. That is specifically for another purpose and another kind of transgression. The abuse of executive power by the one individual who holds it has a special unique remedy under the Constitution.

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) February 9, 2021

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 1:50:59pm

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, there’s a Buffalo IN Minnesota.

I was getting really confused there for a second.

Yep! There’s also a Rochester. That one throws ME for a loop a lot.

277

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 1:51:30pm

re: #257 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

My initial thought was that it was vaccine-related.

Because they recommended he get one?
/

278

The Pie Overlord! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:51:32pm

I use Duncan Hines cake mix when I don’t feel like standing on my feet for a long time, and they make very good baked goods!

279

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:52:06pm

Schoen is still talking but all I’m hearing is wa wa WA WA wa…

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

280

Dr. Matt Feb 9, 2021 • 1:52:31pm

Donnie’s defense is basically about the placement of a comma.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:52:32pm

HE WAS IMPEACHED WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. This triggers the jurisdiction of the Senate to try ALL impeachments.

The. End. https://t.co/cshB9N9Qqn

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) February 9, 2021

282

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:52:35pm

Here’s an article by Trump Lawyer David Schoen smearing Reps. Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib and AOC. #ImpeachmentTrial https://t.co/rmnnkuaRLf

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 9, 2021

283

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 1:52:42pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, President Biden telling someone there is such a thing as a stupid question, by being as polite as possible.

284

DodgerFan1988 Feb 9, 2021 • 1:53:06pm

Rudy: I’m the worst lawyer in America
Castor: Hold my beer

— Jennifer ‘America is Back’ Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) February 9, 2021

285

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 1:53:28pm

You know, we can laugh at Schoen, and we should, because he is ridiculous. But the part that is a lot less funny is that the outcome of this trial is already predetermined and a group of Republicans have already decided to betray the constitution yet again.

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) February 9, 2021

286

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:53:35pm

Since Trump is going to be acquitted anyway, I’m glad that he is having to listen to his lawyers describe him as a former President and a private citizen, when he wanted to argue he really won the election.

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Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 1:53:43pm

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, there’s a Buffalo IN Minnesota.

I was getting really confused there for a second.

I had to force myself to not type “NY” after “Buffalo” in my post above.

288

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:55:31pm

I had to rewind twice. Dude just pulled out Mao’s “Little Red Book” to characterize the Democrats.

— Rick Perlstein (@rickperlstein) February 9, 2021

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Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 1:55:34pm

re: #286 No Malarkey!

Since Trump is going to be acquitted anyway, I’m glad that he is having to listen to his lawyers describe him as a former President and a private citizen, when he wanted to argue he really won the election.

This is a good point. Which means there a strong possibility this will piss off Trump so much, we’ll get to see him trash his own lawyers as they are trying to keeping him from being banned from holding office forever.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 9, 2021 • 1:56:04pm

#BREAKING Authorities identify Buffalo shooting suspect as Gregory Ulrich. 67yo. Reportedly acted alone today. Described by law enforcement as “disturbed with anti-government sentiments.” He is in custody and known to local police from prior calls. @FOX9 pic.twitter.com/A1bTSIbaLn

— Paul Blume (@PaulBlume_FOX9) February 9, 2021

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:56:40pm

I’m a language nerd and I just…don’t even give a fuck enough about what this dude is saying to even complain that he’s using the disjunctive improperly and you’d think this was my time to shine

Do they not have time limits

How many infinities do we have to live through

— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) February 9, 2021

292

Mattand Feb 9, 2021 • 1:56:51pm

re: #284 DodgerFan1988

There’s a part of me that will never trust Jennifer Rubin ever, but I gotta admit, Never Trump Rubin can actually be pretty funny.

293

Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Feb 9, 2021 • 1:57:21pm

I finally had to mute this ass swipe. There is only so much derp I can handle.

294

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 1:57:26pm

OK now, THIS is funny. https://t.co/q1f4hhoNTr

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 1:57:27pm

He’s just said “the disjunctive or, and mr Starr uses the comma”

One hour ago or possibly ten lifetimes

Raskin was talking about the time his kid dies and his other kid thought she would

Dude is out here on the disjunctive

I’m a writer and I’m bored

— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) February 9, 2021

Didn’t the last dude just say he took all the time

Now we’re talking about page 37 of the brief

— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) February 9, 2021

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retired cynic Feb 9, 2021 • 1:58:08pm

re: #293 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I finally had to mute this ass swipe. There is only so much derp I can handle.

I think I am just about there. Am sorry for the Dems in there, esp. Leahy, who has to look official.

297

Dr. Matt Feb 9, 2021 • 1:58:17pm

re: #290 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Has SMOTI confirmed yet he’s a Soros/Obama-loving librul?

298

stpaulbear Feb 9, 2021 • 1:58:17pm

re: #276 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

Yep! There’s also a Rochester. That one throws ME for a loop a lot.

My trigger city is Duluth, GA.

299

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 1:59:35pm

I said before that Schoen’s argument took the Elvis Presley Cake.

I was wrong.

It’s now gone to the level of a Ho Ho Cake!

thespruceeats.com

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 2:00:06pm

“We don’t fear democracy,” says lawyer for guy who incited a violent insurrection that tried to overturn a democratic election and disenfranchise 81 million voters.

— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) February 9, 2021

Longfellow won’t cover that up.

301

nines09 Feb 9, 2021 • 2:00:17pm

Right wing lies for 40 years.
Amp up the lies.
Repeat the lies over every platform you can.
Scream if the platform stops you it’s Anti Free Speech.
Gather your weapons.
Go kill.
Repeat.
Repeat.
And who did this?
Muslims!
Mexicans!
Gays!
Antifa!
BLM!
ACLU!
Planed Parenthood!

No it was you.

302

jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 2:01:11pm

Trump lawyer David Schoen will now recite the lyrics to “Brandy (You’re a Fine Girl)” by Looking Glass. #ImpeachmentTrial #Ahoy

— poljunk (@poljunk) February 9, 2021

303

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:01:51pm

So Schoen, basically: you’re all communists if you impeach Trump.

I am still gobsmacked by him holding up The Little Red Book. Gobsmacked.

— Elizabeth C. McLaughlin, Esq. (@ECMcLaughlin) February 9, 2021

304

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:02:03pm

re: #268 jaunte

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they all know this
they dont care because it doenst help their argument

I agree with Schoen on one thing. You cannot impeach someone who is no longer in office. You cannot go back and impeach Obama or Carter.

But Trump was impeached WHILE IN OFFICE.

What we are doing now is TRYING the impeachment.

— Nunca Trumpismo (@NeverTrumpTexan) February 9, 2021

305

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:02:04pm

The only thing missing from Schoen’s argument is Lawrence Welk’s Bubble Machine.

306

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 2:02:48pm

re: #285 jaunte

I would prefer if we talked about this by saying that “We will do everything we can to hold any Republican who votes to acquit Trump accountable and remove them from office.”

307

Dread Pirate Ron Feb 9, 2021 • 2:02:52pm

The vaccine manufacturers should consider filing lawsuits.

— Danrar (@dan_rar) February 9, 2021

308

Barefoot Grin Feb 9, 2021 • 2:02:59pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.

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jaunte Feb 9, 2021 • 2:03:05pm

Raskin: We heard nothing worth rebutting.

310

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:04:02pm

re: #289 Mattand

This is a good point. Which means there a strong possibility this will piss off Trump so much, we’ll get to see him trash his own lawyers as they are trying to keeping him from being banned from holding office forever.

He would have already tweeted that he won, if he could still Tweet.

311

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:04:09pm

re: #275 jaunte

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and, in fact, abuse of power may not (necessarily) be criminal at all

This is a seriously wrong-headed argument, i.e he can still be prosecuted criminally. That is specifically for another purpose and another kind of transgression. The abuse of executive power by the one individual who holds it has a special unique remedy under the Constitution.

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) February 9, 2021

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Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 2:04:15pm

re: #309 jaunte

Raskin: We heard nothing worth rebutting.

“Though I would like to correct his use of disjunctive.”

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Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:05:43pm

re: #285 jaunte

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they really could have put rudy up there
(except he wanted to actually be paid)

You know, we can laugh at Schoen, and we should, because he is ridiculous. But the part that is a lot less funny is that the outcome of this trial is already predetermined and a group of Republicans have already decided to betray the constitution yet again.

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) February 9, 2021

314

Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Feb 9, 2021 • 2:06:20pm

Did I just hear that right? Did Susan “I’m concerned” Collins just voted aye on the vote if the proceedings are Constitutional?

315

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:06:48pm

Murkowski is an aye

316

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:07:05pm

Romney aye

317

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:07:19pm

Sasse aye

318

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:07:43pm

The QAP has made it clear that they see nothing wrong with whipping up mobs to kill Democrats.

That’s the bottom line.

They will regret that once the mobs are turned on them because it’s only a matter of time before that happens.

319

Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Feb 9, 2021 • 2:08:07pm

Crapo and Risch are unsurprisingly a no vote.

320

Dr. Matt Feb 9, 2021 • 2:08:21pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Romney aye

Is this vote for a simple majority?

321

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:08:34pm

re: #302 jaunte

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If he goes Wildfire, I’m out

Trump lawyer David Schoen will now recite the lyrics to “Brandy (You’re a Fine Girl)” by Looking Glass. #ImpeachmentTrial #Ahoy

— poljunk (@poljunk) February 9, 2021

322

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:09:06pm

56-44

323

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 2:09:08pm

re: #298 stpaulbear

My trigger city is Duluth, GA.

Ah, yeah, that would get me too.

324

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:09:24pm

re: #320 Dr. Matt

Is this vote for a simple majority?

Yes. It’s just a repeat of the 55-45 vote to accept the impeachment.

325

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:10:01pm

So 44 republicans do not understand the Constitution

326

jimmyvluv4u Feb 9, 2021 • 2:10:17pm

re: #324 No Malarkey!

It’s 56-44. Cassidy (Louisiana) switched.

327

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:10:26pm

trial will proceed at 12noon tomorrow

328

Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Feb 9, 2021 • 2:10:31pm

56-44. The Ayes have it. I do believe the trial is on.

329

Nyet Feb 9, 2021 • 2:10:50pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

So 44 republicans do not understand the Constitution

Oh, they do. Which makes it worse.

330

🌹UOJB! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:10:57pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

So 44 republicans do not understand the Constitution

44 QAPs believe in inciting mobs to install a dictator.

331

Decatur Deb Feb 9, 2021 • 2:11:53pm

re: #285 jaunte

The purpose of the exercise is to make them do that in broad daylight.

332

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:13:12pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

So 44 republicans do not understand the Constitution

i know what you mean, but the truth is they understand it just fine

they’ve become so pretzel knotted that politically, they can’t / won’t / refuse to acknowledge what they all know the constitution says

they also know these arguments aren’t fooling/convincing anybody

333

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 2:13:19pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

So 44 republicans do not understand the Constitution

I think they just don’t want to be shown what happened and have to make a choice.

Imagine if Stacy Abrams didn’t exist.

334

Charles Johnson Feb 9, 2021 • 2:13:26pm

Well, the Senate has voted to accept the plain reality that this trial is constitutional.

44 Republicans decided to keep pretending otherwise, because they’re craven cowards afraid of a wretched con man. pic.twitter.com/jZ16waWVTs

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 9, 2021

335

Dread Pirate Ron Feb 9, 2021 • 2:13:41pm

A lawyer using Zoom had to let a judge know that he wasn’t a cat after inadvertently activating a face filter pic.twitter.com/vChc14mjM1

— Mikael Thalen (@MikaelThalen) February 9, 2021

336

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 2:15:42pm

re: #333 Belafon

I think they just don’t want to be shown what happened and have to make a choice.

Imagine if Stacy Abrams didn’t exist.

Actually, Donald Trump is in the process of pulling off the most brazen case of jury tampering ever.

337

The Pie Overlord! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:15:51pm

re: #299 🌹UOJB!

I said before that Schoen’s argument took the Elvis Presley Cake.

I was wrong.

It’s now gone to the level of a Ho Ho Cake!

thespruceeats.com

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I wanna make that!

338

steve_davis Feb 9, 2021 • 2:16:35pm

re: #82 No Malarkey!

He just made a stupid argument that British law has zero precedental value, which is completely false.

not a lawyer, and even I know we still look to twelfth century common law for some property law precedents.

339

Dr. Matt Feb 9, 2021 • 2:17:05pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

So 44 republicans do not understand the Constitution

44 QOPers are cucks for MAGAland.

340

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:18:15pm

Trump lawyer Bruce Castor bizarrely seemed to suggest Donald Trump should be arrested if the allegations at the heart of the impeachment trial are true.
Said Castor: “A high crime is a felony, and a misdemeanor is a misdemeanor. After he’s out of office, you go and arrest him… The department of justice does know what to do with such people. And so far, I haven’t seen any activity in that direction.”

as i recall from the last impeachment, the above italics is not at all accurate

341

No Malarkey! Feb 9, 2021 • 2:18:57pm

re: #326 jimmyvluv4u

It’s 56-44. Cassidy (Louisiana) switched.

Interesting, I wonder why.

342

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 9, 2021 • 2:20:25pm

Mitch McConnell just voted that it’s unconstitutional to try a former president after he blocked a trial of Trump while he was president.

— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) February 9, 2021

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HRH Stanley Sea Feb 9, 2021 • 2:21:04pm

re: #335 Dread Pirate Ron

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Best thing I’ve seen on this here internet in forever.

The atty’s Texas accent made it even better.

344

O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.. Feb 9, 2021 • 2:21:20pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was the entire point. They didn’t want to have to vote on this.

345

Dangerman Feb 9, 2021 • 2:22:08pm

this by itself is asinine

Trump lawyers Bruce Castor, David Schoen and Michael van der Veen argue that because some rioters planned their attack in advance, Trump’s exhortations to “fight like hell” on Jan. 6 couldn’t have inspired the attack on the Capitol.

even focusing on 1/6 alone
- he encouraged it with his speech (ok, incited)
- the polar opposite of dissuading or talking them down - not one word towards diffusing
- and when he was back at the white house watching he did….nothing at all

346

Belafon Feb 9, 2021 • 2:23:34pm

re: #345 Dangerman

this by itself is asinine

even focusing on 1/6 alone
- he encouraged it with his speech (ok, incited)
- the polar opposite of dissuading or talking them down - not one word towards diffusing
- and when he was back at the white house watching he did….nothing at all

People noticed that there wasn’t much coordination on 1/6 until he started tweeting about the date.

347

retired cynic Feb 9, 2021 • 2:31:46pm

re: #345 Dangerman

this by itself is asinine

even focusing on 1/6 alone
- he encouraged it with his speech (ok, incited)
- the polar opposite of dissuading or talking them down - not one word towards diffusing
- and when he was back at the white house watching he did….nothing at all

He told them to come on 1/6; “it will be wild.” He incited for weeks.

348

steve_davis Feb 9, 2021 • 2:31:52pm

re: #144 Dangerman

hot dog suit….
…boiled in pasta water

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and then used to make coffee

349

steve_davis Feb 9, 2021 • 2:41:50pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lol! what the utter fuck was that? (“I’m making no sense up here. I’d better put my other hand on the top of my head to make certain it doesn’t fall off when it tilt it back.”)

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