About That “Bipartisan Gun Deal”

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I’m just going to post these tweets, because I have nothing else to say except how incredibly disappointing it is to see the Republicans getting away with another snow job.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:33:17am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:34:58am
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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:36:09am

More than one retweet should be allowed.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:36:11am
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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:37:14am
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Dopamine Fish  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:39:08am

re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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“I see a bad moon rising…”
“FIRE FOR EFFECT!”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:39:34am

But SC(rotus)TUS

FTW and eat the rich.

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:39:45am

re: #5 wrenchwench

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I wasn’t trying to post it, just tweet it. A bit of redundancy has escaped.

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JC1  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:40:28am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:41:23am

The whole pundit class is out there on Twitter telling everybody to be happy about this historic bipartisan legislation. I’ve already had people insulting me and telling me to shut up for daring to have a different opinion.

If it EVEN PASSES THE SENATE (which is not a given) its effect on mass shootings will be negligible. It’s not a step toward something better, it’s a way for Republicans to pretend they actually did something.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:41:53am

re: #251 John Hughes

Like I mentioned upstream — someone saw a bunch of guys getting into a U-Haul. That is a traffic violation. That’s why the cops stopped them.

It they’d rented a minibus they would have had no problem with the cops. And would have probably been protected when the “riot” started.

Even worse, it was a violation of the rental contract! ////

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:42:30am

re: #9 JC1

I always thought Apollo’s chariot would look more magnificent.

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:46:09am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

The whole pundit class is out there on Twitter telling everybody to be happy about this historic bipartisan legislation. I’ve already had people insulting me and telling me to shut up for daring to have a different opinion.

If it EVEN PASSES THE SENATE (which is not a given) its effect on mass shootings will be negligible. It’s not a step toward something better, it’s a way for Republicans to pretend they actually did something.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE IF YOU HAVEN’T VOTED IN THE NEXT ELECTION YET

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John Hughes  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:48:33am

re: #11 BlueSpotinAL

Even worse, it was a violation of the rental contract! ////

Call Rand Paul!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:53:32am

re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

The Ukrainian blaring Fortunate Son will be spun by the Russians and all the Putinversteher out there as proof that the Ukrainian troops are the moral equivalent of US imperialist troops occupying Vietnam.

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:57:50am
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Teukka  Jun 12, 2022 • 10:59:38am

*snickers*

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:00:53am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:01:18am

The party of “pro-life”

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:01:55am

re: #17 Teukka

*snickers*

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I want to tweet that. I actually want to retweet that, it’s easier..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:04:35am

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:08:35am

Just a bit more food pron.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:14:01am

re: #6 Dopamine Fish

“I see a bad moon rising…”
“FIRE FOR EFFECT!”

I watched it on mute as I’m in line at CVS and figured it was BMR.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:15:08am

The internet needs to make sure their employers make them ex-employees:

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:18:14am

Hmm….this is interesting and if it’s actually true, it certainly should be bigger news.

In the anatomy of an economic crisis, a bank run is the point of no return.

Bank runs occur when people scramble to withdraw cash from banks in fear of collapse. In the worst cases, banks’ liquid cash reserves are exhausted, not everyone gets their money and the bank defaults.

It’s a grim scenario which, fortunately, has occurred rarely in history.

__________________________

Regardless of the cause, the developments raise serious questions about the health of China’s and its regulatory oversight. The more immediate concern, however, is the prospect of contagion, which could see the (so-far) rural-only bank run spread to bigger cities.

There’s evidence this is already happening.

In one of the only mainstream international media articles to report on the unfolding situation, local residents highlighted the seriousness of the situation and the likelihood of contagion.

asiamarkets.com

Check that out - it’s interesting reading and if indeed a rural bank run is underway, the threat of contagion to other banks is a distinct possibility. As the article notes, and I quite agree with, should China’s banks buckle under increasing pressure, it’d be a black swan event bigger than the collapse of Evergrande and it would certainly have global repercussions.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:21:03am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:31:26am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s frustrating to see Democratic Senators pushing this nonsense as if it’s a real answer to gun violence. As Charles correctly pointed out, Republicans are probably going to back out at the last minute so even this weak sauce isn’t going to pass. Republicans know that their hardened supporters aren’t going to tolerate any gun reform legislation. Period. Unlike Democrats, Republicans actually cowtow to their base.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:35:10am

Time to call it a day. Have a good one Lizards and stay healthy.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:37:19am

re: #27 Patricia Kayden

It’s frustrating to see Democratic Senators pushing this nonsense as if it’s a real answer to gun violence. As Charles correctly pointed out, Republicans are probably going to back out at the last minute so even this weak sauce isn’t going to pass. Republicans know that their hardened supporters aren’t going to tolerate any gun reform legislation. Period. Unlike Democrats, Republicans actually cowtow to their base.

It’s easy to not pass anything.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2022 • 11:49:33am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:01:26pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:05:42pm

re: #6 Dopamine Fish

“I see a bad moon rising…”
“FIRE FOR EFFECT!”

“I see trouble on the way…”
“BATTERY TWO! FIRE!”

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:06:33pm

The way we brought down the vehicular fatality rate was with a dozen different policy changes, each of which reduced the rate by 2-5%. Each one is worth something. Gun regulations will be the same. There’s no one magic solution, but incremental differences matter.

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Accept the baby steps as just that. Then pressure the media to cover specific instances where those baby steps stopped a particular almost-happened.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:07:14pm

But what happened to the chocolate?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:10:34pm

re: #33 sagehen

The way we brought down the vehicular fatality rate was with a dozen different policy changes, each of which reduced the rate by 2-5%. Each one is worth something. Gun regulations will be the same. There’s no one magic solution, but incremental differences matter.

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Accept the baby steps as just that. Then pressure the media to cover specific instances where those baby steps stopped a particular almost-happened.

The problem is that there aren’t going to be any more steps. This isn’t a sign that the GOP is changing their position.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:11:58pm

re: #34 The Pie Overlord!

But what happened to the chocolate?

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Youtube Video

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:12:12pm

re: #34 The Pie Overlord!

But what happened to the chocolate?

When they first fell in, it was chest-high.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:18:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:19:08pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Thing is, homicidal lunatics are not impressed with Repug obfuscation and avoidance. The massacres will continue until there is really effective action. The mass movement that hangs them around the GOP’s cowardly neck is stronger than it has ever been, indeed, strong at all for the first time. It will continue as well.

“A dead child weighs pretty heavily in the balance, especially when it is one’s own.”
-Antoine du Saint-Exupéry , Flight to Arras, 1940

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:19:16pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:20:49pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

The problem is that there aren’t going to be any more steps. This isn’t a sign that the GOP is changing their position.

They will when enough voters hold a gun to their heads. The last significant change to gun laws was to rescind the assault weapons ban.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:23:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:26:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:27:56pm
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sagehen  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:29:07pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:31:20pm

There was a post to our local FB page about a major fight that broke out in Manchester, NH between four men that took all on-duty cops in the city to put down. One man’s family name was Stanley the other three were Coopers. Soon it came out that both are members of extended families that do paving scams. And not just locally. The Stanley patriarch has been arrested almost fifty times, mostly in New England but also as far south as West Virginia where other branches of the Stanleys live. I tried to look at their personal FB pages, but there’s not much info. I did find a couple, and in their friends lists there are many Stanleys and Coopers. According to the comments, they’re really part of the same big inter-marrying family. I wonder if it was a turf war. They were all under 30 and in the mug shots look like stereotypical thugs with the slicked-back hair.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:33:08pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:34:42pm

I have no data base claim, but I’m willing to bet the majority don’t have a job, or are self-employed, or have dead-end jobs where the can always find work.

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Captain Ron  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:36:04pm
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:36:22pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle. My instincts seem to have been disturbingly good for the last couple of days. It can’t last.

Click to Reveal

Wordle 359 3/6

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Line 3, I broke one of my personal rules and it paid off.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:37:50pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I actually want this to happen. It might finally convince the Democrats that hardball is the only way forward. If the GOP won’t support a nothingburger beyond playing some games to diffuse criticism after a shooting then it should be more than obvious that working “across the aisle” is a completely dead concept until the GOP itself undergoes a sea change.

And Susan Collin’s “concern” will be seen as the complete BS kabuki that it is.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:39:25pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of these days someone is going to wipe off that shit eating Nazi grin.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:42:41pm

re: #48 Dr. Matt

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I have no data base claim, but I’m willing to bet the majority don’t have a job, or are self-employed, or have dead-end jobs where the can always find work.

This article lists where each of the Nazis live: idahotribune.org

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:45:31pm

This whole “bipartisan gun legislation” is all a setup by Reps. Let’s assume it passes. It’s not nearly enough to be effective and they know this. The very next mass shooting will be covered far and wide by rightwing trolls as proof regulations don’t work.

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BeachDem  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:53:20pm

re: #49 Captain Ron

Ah, Carla, the “actress,” socialite, chiropractor, who married money and then, after the husband died, started giving large amounts to the vulgar talking yam before becoming an ambassador. (She also ran for Toomy’s seat and spent $3 million of her own money to come in 4th behind Oz)

She probably could have afforded to get her driver to the embassy.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 12:59:10pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:01:09pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Oh yes. A big one. He is another mouthpiece for DT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:03:50pm
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BigPapa  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:05:06pm

BREAKING FOOD PRON: I did a whole butternut squash, cubed and roasted to get some caramelization with garlic and onion. Some chicken stock, finished wiith a little herbs and my hand blender into a fine soup. Roasted the skin and seeds as my garnish. The skins were a little chewy but the pepitas were bomb diggity on top.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:05:39pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:06:12pm

Well while I wait for Adobada to partial freeze before vac sealing, here is my next biggest headache. Both cooling fans on the CPU heatsink decided to go south with one failing all together. Of course this being Twin Falls, there was only one store that had one replacement fan in stock. So I am now waiting until the 16th for the second fan to be delivered before my desktop is back in service. For those who are curious the CPU is a AMD 1.3 GHZ (?) quad core, 8 gig of ram and a 500 gig HD and a 1 gigabyte NIC. OS is the 64 bit windows 10. And yes, I cleaned out a few dust bunnies from hell when I took it outside and blew it down. Yeah I’m bored and rambling. I do that when I am stressed the fuck out. It keeps me some what sane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:09:27pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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mmmirele  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:11:54pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This guy Ethan Schmidt has been harassing stores in the area that carry LGBTQIA themed items. Not just Target, but also going into Joann Fabric and Crafts. This guy is an utter and complete whackjob. Who harasses the women employees and customers at Joann? This loser, who was previously known for being an anti-masker. About 18 months ago, he got thrown out of a wig shop here in Mesa because he refused to put on a mask. The wig shop caters to people who need wigs due to chemotherapy, and this shitheel just didn’t give a damn that he could be making immunocompromised people sick. Asshat.

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:16:04pm

re: #63 mmmirele

Worse than asshat! That’s assault in my book.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:16:36pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:20:45pm

Got our first apple of the new tree we planted last fall. Six different apples grafted onto a single trunk. Will remain short and we’ll anchor it to fence lattice as it gets wider.

It’s still small, but I suspect it could be a semi-dwarf red Gravenstein…but that’s just a guess.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:22:39pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:22:46pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:23:39pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:29:47pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson
I can do this:

There could be a connection between white claw drinks and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between EVs and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between TikTok memes and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between crypto and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between vaping and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between fried Brussel sprouts and the violent crime surge.

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Captain Ron  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:33:11pm

Brussels Sprouts, definitely.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:33:18pm

re: #70 Dr. Matt

I can do this:

I think the most direct connection is between the number of CPU cores and gun violence.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:33:47pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

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When I look at strain reviews I notice that “effects” are usually happy, calm, energized, and “do a bit of the ol’ ultraviolence.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:34:46pm
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:34:48pm

Or the size of TVs.

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jeffreyw  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:37:46pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:38:52pm

re: #76 jeffreyw

I blame those puppies on the violent crime surge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:40:27pm

re: #69 The Pie Overlord!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:40:38pm

re: #68 darthstar

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:42:28pm

re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That works for me. One of the many reasons why I watch PBS.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:43:59pm

It’s hot in CenTex today.

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BigPapa  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:46:51pm

There could be a connection between cameras in cell phones and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between WiFi and the violent crime surge.

There could be a connection between Pokemon and the violent crime surge.

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Dangerman  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:51:52pm

From downstairs

re: #251 John Hughes

Like I mentioned upstream — someone saw a bunch of guys getting into a U-Haul. That is a traffic violation. That’s why the cops stopped them.

It they’d rented a minibus they would have had no problem with the cops. And would have probably been protected when the “riot” started.

Now recall from the 1993 WTC bombing case

Click to Reveal

From wiki

A vehicle identification number (VIN), found on a piece from an axle, gave investigators crucial information that led them to a Ryder truck rented from DIB Leasing in Jersey City. Investigators determined that the vehicle had been rented by Mohammed A. Salameh, one of Yousef’s co-conspirators.[33] Salameh had reported the van stolen, and when he returned on March 4, 1993 to get his deposit back, authorities arrested him.[34]

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BigPapa  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:52:57pm

UPDATE: FOOD PRON:
I also did a breaded baked chicken in panko, flour, and turmeric. Baked crispy, then tossed in a reduced schnausse of honey, garlic, and shoyu (what Hawaiians and haoles call soy sauce). Between that, the butternut squash soup, and a fresh salad with mixed greens/mushroom/orange/onion, it did not suck. The only thing missing was fasist GQP chuds tossed in the slammer.

The best gun control solution is to have a waiting period and interview process. That’s doable. And not for under 21. Many of these spree shooters are very young.

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Dangerman  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:55:03pm

re: #72 Belafon

I think the most direct connection is between the number of CPU cores and gun violence.

C’mon y’all

If they didn’t keep records there would be zero violent crime //

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BigPapa  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:57:21pm

re: #85 Dangerman

C’mon y’all

If they didn’t keep records there would be zero violent crime //

Criminals don’t pay attention to laws anyway. So why have them?

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:57:53pm

I watched a YT news clip about the 31 arrests in Idaho. Almost all of the comments were saying it was a false flag set up by the FBI.

I left a comment about having to explain missing work on Monday to your boss, and how they were morons who got caught with written battle plans in the van.

Can’t wait to see the responses. (I don’t want to be on Twitter so YT comments are my low-grade substitute)

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2022 • 1:59:17pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:02:18pm

re: #88 darthstar

Al Schmidt is going to testify? And it will be during the day so I will be at work. I will have to rely on the WaPo alerts.

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Dangerman  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:03:21pm
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Citizen K  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:06:25pm

I’m not going to pretend this is sufficient, or that the possibility for poison pills aren’t there. But keep in mind that there are some big reasons for the lack of movement on gun reform.

1) It’s very easy to simply do nothing if your goal is not do anything. Actually achieving something is hard and much harder when the opposing party can passively obstruct and win. That’s where the dynamic is between Dems and the GOP, and gun reform is possibly the most prime example we can point to of that asymmetry.

2) Perfect as the enemy of good. The idea that something is worse than nothing because it’s not everything is a good way to assure you get nothing at all. And I’m seeing a lot of that lately, where if we’re not making the big jumps all at once, then it’s useless, because if we can’t do it all at once, it will never get done apparently, which leads me to…

3) Electorate fickleness. You know why we have a problem building off first steps? Because that very impulse to say that it wasn’t perfect so it was pointless to do is a good path to voter apathy, and voter apathy is exactly what’s killed us almost every time we’ve tried to make strides that we could build off of. Look what happened with the ACA. The GOP made it the greatest grand boogeyman in the history of ever and rabble roused their base into a froth to fight against it. Meanwhile, we had activist bases who actively stoked apathy because it was such an unpalatable compromise that they couldn’t be arsed to do the GOTV work, and even worse, a right flank of Blue Dog Dems who actively ran against the ACA and Obama himself because they wanted to tap into right-wing fervor. And both sides got fucked along with the Dems as a result because of the ensuing Red Wave that resulted. And it’s a pattern that’s repeated a few times because Dems have to have perfect solutions, even when (especially when?) they don’t actually have the numbers to implement those perfect solutions.

I’m going to watch out for the poison pills that might result from this, but holy crap, even if the GOP uses it to pretend they themselves did something, this can be used for mid-term momentum to actually do more later, lets not turn it into a cause celebre to shitkick Dems in the teeth once again and scream at them that beatings will continue until Dem will increases or something.

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Dangerman  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:13:36pm

On the “gun control” bill

Weak sauce

-funding for mental health resources…….likely way too little and what will force red states to spend it?

-boosting school safety……. Ffs it’s not doors metal dectectors, glass ,fences, etc. It’s guns.

- Grants to states to implement ” red flag laws”….. Again no requirement for red states to do this. Watch them “redirect” the money

- expand background check system to include juvenile records for any prospective gun buyer under the age of 21……. but not Universal Background Checks

Granted if it goes through it’s the first movement in years.

But it’s weak and the Rs will say look what we did!

Then 5 years from now when nothing changes then they’ll say see, nothing works.

This will “control” zero guns

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:16:36pm

I don’t think there’s anything nefarious about this, but apparently SCOTUS will be releasing decisions tomorrow at 10am just as the J6 hearings resume.

94
mmmirele  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:20:59pm

re: #87 stpaulbear

I watched a YT news clip about the 31 arrests in Idaho. Almost all of the comments were saying it was a false flag set up by the FBI.

I left a comment about having to explain missing work on Monday to your boss, and how they were morons who got caught with written battle plans in the van.

Can’t wait to see the responses. (I don’t want to be on Twitter so YT comments are my low-grade substitute)

Man, YouTube is like the lowest of low grade comment zones. I’d rather be on Twitter. More power to you in trying to enlighten the masses.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:31:29pm

re: #94 mmmirele

Man, YouTube is like the lowest of low grade comment zones. I’d rather be on Twitter. More power to you in trying to enlighten the masses.

YT comments are wholly dependent upon the channel.

Many channel owners of reasonable channels are afraid to delete comments and ban individuals because so many channel owners are hoping to make big $$$ off of YT.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:33:05pm

re: #87 stpaulbear

Many times I’ve discovered that regular news channel outlets of local TV stations have YT comment sections filled with raging right-wingers.

They are raging against something of which they know nothing. They just have to rage.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:38:37pm

re: #92 Dangerman

On the “gun control” bill

Weak sauce

-funding for mental health resources…….likely way too little and what will force red states to spend it?

-boosting school safety……. Ffs it’s not doors metal dectectors, glass ,fences, etc. It’s guns.

- Grants to states to implement ” red flag laws”….. Again no requirement for red states to do this. Watch them “redirect” the money

- expand background check system to include juvenile records for any prospective gun buyer under the age of 21……. but not Universal Background Checks

Granted if it goes through it’s the first movement in years.

But it’s weak and the Rs will say look what we did!

Then 5 years from now when nothing changes then they’ll say see, nothing works.

This will “control” zero guns

How will we know it is ineffective? The massacres will continue.

98
Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:40:49pm
99
Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:42:39pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

How will we know it is ineffective? The massacres will continue.

Mind the gap. The metric is to extend the pause between atrocities. Right now, it seems to be narrowing.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:47:11pm

re: #94 mmmirele

re: #96 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s a channel I’ve never visited before and will never visit again. Most of my comments are on audio and music channels or places like Crooked Media or MSNBC.

101
stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:48:04pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Clickbait.

102
HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:48:21pm

re: #93 Barefoot Grin

I don’t think there’s anything nefarious about this, but apparently SCOTUS will be releasing decisions tomorrow at 10am just as the J6 hearings resume.

Jesus.

103
Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:49:55pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

The whole pundit class is out there on Twitter telling everybody to be happy about this historic bipartisan legislation. I’ve already had people insulting me and telling me to shut up for daring to have a different opinion.

If it EVEN PASSES THE SENATE (which is not a given) its effect on mass shootings will be negligible. It’s not a step toward something better, it’s a way for Republicans to pretend they actually did something.

Yep and when the blood spills after it passes, the msm goons will say that it was the Dems that passed weak legislation.

104
Citizen K  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:51:45pm
105
Florida Panhandler  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:52:42pm

re: #103 Amory Blaine

Yep and when the blood spills after it passes, the msm goons will say that it was the Dems that passed weak legislation.

…Or, the media will lament the Democratic Party just cannot meet Republicans across the aisle to get anything done.

It will always be the left’s fault for anything and everything because the right is not responsible for anything except doing everything possible to keep white power intact.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:56:26pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m amazed at how absolutely wrong these experts can be about this. This is batshit crazy fantasy land wrong. Like Wolfgang Pauli “This isn’t right. It’s not even wrong” wrong.

In no reality is one house of cards state, watching another house of cards state get it’s ass handed to it trying to get back a “rebelling state” that has only been preparing for it for less than a decade, and then thinking, lets do the *exact* same thing… Against an island fortress… That’s been preparing for this since 1949.

107
Cheechako  Jun 12, 2022 • 2:59:32pm

The ballot counting has begun:

Palin, Begich, Gross and Peltola are early frontrunners in Alaska’s special U.S. House primary

Some election thoughts;

I like the open primary concept but having 48 candidates is way too many. I have no idea how to reduce the numbers. You get just one vote so you have to choose who best fits your ideals.

Palin ran lots of ads professing she will not be a quitter…this time. Seemed to be her primary qualification. Also reports are she received 90% of her campaign money from out of state. I would never vote for her as I don’t want any responsibility for sending the Third Stooge to the House. I get sick just thinking about those three (and you know whom I’m taking about) being members of Congress.

Begich is a true Republican trying to purchase a House seat. He personally loaned $650,000 to his campaign for expenses. He can now use donations from supporters to repay that loan. No questions asked. Perfect setup for graft.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:00:45pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

They will when enough voters hold a gun to their heads. The last significant change to gun laws was to rescind the assault weapons ban.

It is my understanding that holding guns to legislators’ heads constitutes a terroristic threat and might incur legal consequences when used against a conservative Republican.

We wouldn’t want to contribute to stochastic terrorism.

Forewarned is fore-armed.
///

Sorry. Just flashing back to the War on Terror when dissenters were consistently warned to watch their language, and when hyperbolic comments and common idiomatic phrases were twisted by the dishonest bloggers of the Right to paint everyone who didn’t agree with them as a terrorism supporter.

Odd how the fascist Right can threaten and support domestic terrorism all they want

109
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:00:48pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Hmm….this is interesting and if it’s actually true, it certainly should be bigger news.

__________________________

asiamarkets.com

Check that out - it’s interesting reading and if indeed a rural bank run is underway, the threat of contagion to other banks is a distinct possibility. As the article notes, and I quite agree with, should China’s banks buckle under increasing pressure, it’d be a black swan event bigger than the collapse of Evergrande and it would certainly have global repercussions.

Evergrande was a small blip that appears to have had no real effect on the Chinese economy.

110
Dopamine Fish  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:02:35pm
111
A Three Hour Tour  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:03:19pm

re: #53 Dr. Matt

This article lists where each of the Nazis live: idahotribune.org

Someone needs to tell the Idaho Tribune that Grapevine in Texas is one word, as is Fayetteville in Arkansas.

112
Cheechako  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:06:49pm

re: #111 A Three Hour Tour

Someone needs to tell the Idaho Tribune that Grapevine in Texas is one word, as is Fayetteville in Arkansas.

Take a look at the reporters one line bio at the very bottom of the article.

113
Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:09:58pm

re: #111 A Three Hour Tour

Someone needs to tell the Idaho Tribune that Grapevine in Texas is one word, as is Fayetteville in Arkansas.

He seems to have written his own headline as well. But he is forgiven.

114
darthstar  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:10:56pm

re: #111 A Three Hour Tour

Someone needs to tell the Idaho Tribune that Grapevine in Texas is one word, as is Fayetteville in Arkansas.

It’s almost like a bunch of terrorists from around the country got together in Idaho because they thought their terrorist activity would be welcome there.

115
darthstar  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:11:42pm

No locals arrested. So not a grassroots org.

116
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:11:47pm

re: #33 sagehen

The way we brought down the vehicular fatality rate was with a dozen different policy changes, each of which reduced the rate by 2-5%. Each one is worth something. Gun regulations will be the same. There’s no one magic solution, but incremental differences matter.

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Accept the baby steps as just that. Then pressure the media to cover specific instances where those baby steps stopped a particular almost-happened.

This is not close to even good BUT as the Chinese proverb says, “The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step.” The choice is between something grossly inadequate and nothing — and it will remain nothing if we do nothing. Something small can help a little — what we have to do is push for something more in the next round of legislation if this passes. What do you think will happen if the GOP takes over either House — this is it until we can get more Democrats elected. In the Senate, the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican and that is close to true in the House too.

Personally I’m in favor of tying increased security for SCOTUS to bans on high capacity magazines and raising the age to 21 for purchase of any weapons.

117
Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:12:04pm

Schools are falling apart but hey, they got the money for razor wire!!!

118
Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:12:34pm

re: #116 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree. Small progress is better than no progress.

119
mmmirele  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:15:41pm

Anyone know of any good, reliable, safe hotels in the Los Angeles area? I’m going to LA next weekend to grace (heh heh) a church with my presence located not far from the Burbank airport, but I also want to visit LACMA. I’m driving my vehicle.

120
John Hughes  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:16:18pm

re: #66 darthstar

I’ve got a self seeded cherry tree growing exactly on my fence line. I’ve spotted two cherries this year.

The neighbor is cool with this.

You and your artificial fruit.

(Signe, the lazy gardener).

121
Citizen K  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:17:16pm

re: #116 Hecuba’s daughter

This is not close to even good BUT as the Chinese proverb says, “The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step.” The choice is between something grossly inadequate and nothing — and it will remain nothing if we do nothing. Something small can help a little — what we have to do is push for something more in the next round of legislation if this passes. What do you think will happen if the GOP takes over either House — this is it until we can get more Democrats elected. In the Senate, the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican and that is close to true in the House too.

Personally I’m in favor of tying increased security for SCOTUS to bans on high capacity magazines and raising the age to 21 for purchase of any weapons.

I seriously don’t know what people expect Dems to do in the perfectly split Senate with two recalcitrant moderates and an opposition party that most times acts as an unshakable bulwark to anything Dems propose. And no, ‘eliminate the filibuster’ is a non-starter because we already tried that and showed we don’t have the votes even within our own party currently to do that. And besides, what was all that crap before about ‘put them on the record’ and hold votes even if they were doomed so we saw who voted against what?

This, legitimately, may be the best shot at any sort of microscopic movement on an issue we’ve been backsliding on for at least 20 years at this point. Any step forward we can build off of is worth at least attempting long as people stop trying to act like this is the entire journey and thus is worthless.

122
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:17:28pm

re: #119 mmmirele

It’s all expensive. Summertime vacationers and all.

123
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:18:04pm

re: #121 Citizen K

People believe in magic.

Really.

It’s not just Christian fundamentalists.

124
John Hughes  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:18:47pm

re: #71 Captain Ron

Brussels Sprouts, definitely.

I have to downding this.

125
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:19:56pm

My (reasonable) fear: The miracle (heh) of two Dems in the Senate from Georgia will not be repeated.

After this November the Senate will be 49D-51R (though technically a couple of them are “independents” but that is how they caucus.)

It will be the end of any hope of fixing anything. Biden will not survive. His old buddies from 40 years ago are gone.

126
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:21:12pm

I expect the Dems to hold a tiny minority in the House.

If the abortion thing really heats up then I think the Dems may hold pat. But only in the House.

127
Dangerman  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:24:47pm

re: #124 John Hughes

I have to downding this.

Agreed

128
Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:26:57pm

Brussels Sprouts are really good in a chocolate fondue.

129
Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:28:36pm

First, I would never agree with this proposal. This garbage will NOT help AT ALL. I would say after the next massacre, ” we tried getting meaningful legislation passed, but the pro death GOP will not protect your families. It is their fault alone for the murders you are witnessing. When the opportunity arose for meaningful change, they decided that your children’s death is a price they are willing to pay so lunatics can buy weapons.”

130
Patricia Kayden  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:28:52pm

re: #91 Citizen K

I’ll respectfully disagree with you. While I’m glad to see something possibly pass (if Republicans don’t pull the rug out at the last minute), this isn’t nearly enough to substantially reduce gun violence. I hope that Democrats are emphasizing that this is just the first small step and that they are going to move heaven and hell to pass meaningful gun reform legislation in the near future. If this goes to President Biden, it’s nothing to celebrate. President Biden needs to spell out what Congress needs to pass and why we need to elect more Democrats to get that done in the mid terms.

131
Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:30:02pm

[oops, it’s next week, sorry] Well, the rest of my family is now half-way round the world, so no Father’s Day celebration. Status quo ante. But it reminds me of this wonderful song:

Weddings Parties Anything - Fathers Day

132
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:35:56pm

re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Especially Tucker Carlson.

133
Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:37:15pm

Idaho sheriff releases addresses of ‘Patriot Front’ members accused of planning riot

LEOs “doxxed” them for us.

134
Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:41:45pm

re: #133 Dr. Matt

Idaho sheriff releases addresses of ‘Patriot Front’ members accused of planning riot

LEOs “doxxed” them for us.

J Jonah Jameson Laugh - Spiderman

135
Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:46:50pm

I had the second shingles vax yesterday. Feel pretty awful today. Arm is sore. Flu like symptoms, but no fever. Taking a lot of naps. Went to get flowers for the misses (and bacon for me) and that wiped me out. Actually looking forward to Monday morning for once.

136
Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:50:27pm

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

Well, the rest of my family is now half-way round the world, so no Father’s Day celebration. Status quo ante. But it reminds me of this wonderful song:

[Embedded content]

Video

Oops. It’s next week. I’ll post this again then.

137
DodgerFan1988  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:55:34pm

Hallelujah!

138
stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2022 • 3:56:06pm

re: #111 A Three Hour Tour

Someone needs to tell the Idaho Tribune that Grapevine in Texas is one word, as is Fayetteville in Arkansas.

Did you look at the previous and next stories at the bottom of that article? They were raging MAGA headlines about how a gay pride celebration was turning the town in to a “freakshow”.

139
Belafon  Jun 12, 2022 • 4:00:22pm

re: #104 Citizen K

[Embedded content]

Yes, but those groups understand that not everything happens all at once.

140
austin_blue  Jun 12, 2022 • 4:00:38pm

re: #76 jeffreyw

Vermin.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 12, 2022 • 4:02:04pm

re: #138 stpaulbear

Did you look at the previous and next stories at the bottom of that article? They were raging MAGA headlines about how a gay pride celebration was turning the town in to a “freakshow”.

No, I just looked at the names and cities of origin. Sorry.
I have a lot on my plate right now occupying my attention to do a close read of every link another lizard posts.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 12, 2022 • 7:55:27pm

re: #111 A Three Hour Tour

Someone needs to tell the Idaho Tribune that Grapevine in Texas is one word, as is Fayetteville in Arkansas.

Reminds me - there is a Pine Apple, AL.


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