2023 Tiny Desk Contest Winner: Little Moon

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When 2023’s Tiny Desk Contest winner Little Moon arrived at NPR, outward expressions of joy overshadowed the inner bundle of nerves this Springville, Utah band felt.

Bob Boilen | May 30, 2023
The group’s winning song, “wonder eye,” unanimously wowed our contest judges Sharon Van Etten, Baby Rose, Sudan Archives and Albina Cabrera. Tiny Desk senior producer Bobby Carter and I, also judges, were in awe hearing singer Emma Hardyman’s 4-octave voice warming up behind the Desk. She and her husband, Nathan Hardyman, told NPR’s All Things Considered host Ari Shapiro that they began writing “wonder eye” while Nathan’s mother was in hospice care, and that he wrote the lyrics soon after she passed. “‘wonder eye’ incorporates the idea of multiple deaths,” Emma shared. “I think it took the physical death to help us realize that death is really happening all the time — be it past versions of ourselves, old held beliefs, old judgments even. And to that extent, we’re always grieving as well, which was also eye-opening.”

Without monitors or vocal amplification, one of the toughest things for a band to do when playing at my Desk is to get the balance and sound levels right. Emma and Nathan, joined by bandmates Bly Wallentine on bass, Bridget Jackson on harp, Chris Shemwell on drums and Grace Johnson on keys, all pretty much nailed it. The band’s set, which includes two unreleased songs (recorded for a new album), displays a range of emotion and creativity with a promising future. The group will be hitting the road as part of the Tiny Desk Contest tour, so if Little Moon is coming to your town, come and hear this band’s unique sound.

SET LIST
“wonder eye”
“we fall in our sleep”
“kind, kind home”

MUSICIANS
Emma Hardyman: vocals, guitar
Nathan Hardyman: guitar, vocals
Bly Wallentine: bass, rainstick, vocals
Bridget Jackson: harp, vocals
Chris Shemwell: drums, percussion, vocals
Grace Johnson: keyboard, rainstick, vocals

TINY DESK TEAM
Producer: Bob Boilen
Director/Editor: Kara Frame
Audio Engineer: Neil Tevault
Series Producer: Bobby Carter
Videographers: Kara Frame, Maia Stern, Joshua Bryant, Sofia Seidel
Audio Assistant: Hans Copeland
Photographer: Elizabeth Gillis
Tiny Desk Team: Suraya Mohamed, Josh Rogosin, Hazel Cills, Ashley Pointer
VP, Visuals and Music: Keith Jenkins
Senior VP, Programming: Anya Grundmann

#tinydesk #nprmusic #littlemoon #tinydeskcontest

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151 comments

Belafon Jun 2, 2023 • 2:56:54pm

don’t say shit, just RT when you see it https://t.co/dxIiwbqdbf

— ASAP reiki (she/ her) (@dopegirlfresh) June 2, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:03:20pm

re: #452 Joe Bacon ✅

It’s June you fucking seditionist.

Just shut up Pulpit Pimp.

According to her holy book, as a false prophet she is to be stoned to death. It is commanded by God. Her followers wouldn’t want to disobey God, would they?.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:03:46pm

***NEWS RELEASE***
Nebraska voters will be able to decide if they want the state to divert public tax dollars to pay for private schools under a petition filed today by a coalition of Nebraska public school advocates.#SOSNE • https://t.co/S880MaHneR pic.twitter.com/aW7FqC8O8j

— Support Our Schools Nebraska (@SOSNebraska) May 31, 2023

Belafon Jun 2, 2023 • 3:03:47pm

I know this is policy making that on the face of it doesn’t scream “exciting” to a lot of people, but racist home evaluations are a real issue that depresses black wealth, and the Biden-Harris administration is taking concrete steps to combat it. https://t.co/k2pQT3ZMwI

— The Biden Accomplishments Guy™ (@What46HasDone) June 2, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:08:29pm

re: #462 silverdolphin

AMERICA IS HEADED TOWARD COLLAPSE

Peter Turchin is one of the important voices on long cycles and well worth catching up on. While I take a more disruptive technological basis we agree that we are in a similar situation today as before. And we solve it in a similar fashion. Remove money from the ultra rich.

Blocked by my carrier. Apple News collects private data through its links, which is against state law. I cannot read it.

A Cranky One Jun 2, 2023 • 3:08:30pm

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 3:08:34pm

Netflix Execs Asked For $166 Million In Pay, While Writers Are On Strike. Shareholders Told Them To Get Bent.

wonkette.com

On Thursday, Netflix shareholders voted in a non-binding resolution at their annual meeting to oppose the company’s proposed executive pay package, valued at about $166 million. While the official tally has yet to be released, only 27 percent of shareholders voted in favor of the executive pay package at last year’s meeting and in fact demanded caps on executive earnings. With the WGA writers strike in its second month, that percentage is likely to decrease even further. Because really, why should executives make tens of millions of dollars when the next season of “Stranger Things” is on hold due to the fact that they don’t want to pay people enough to write it?

Writers Guild West President Meredith Stiehm sent out a letter to the shareholders this week, pointing out that it sure would be crappy for executives to pay themselves millions while insisting that they just don’t have the money to fairly compensate writers. The WGA estimates that fair compensation for Netflix’s writers would come to about $68 million per year, which is less than half of what the executives are asking for.

The compensation package proposed to shareholders would have capped the salaries of Ted Sarandos and Greg Peters, co-CEOs of Netflix, at $3 million … but they would also have stock options and bonuses that would raise their total yearly compensation to $40 million and $34 million respectively. This means two of them believe that they are $6 million more valuable than all of the writers put together in the writers’ dreams, let alone whatever they’re actually being offered in reality.

It’s crap like this that solidifies my support for a maximum net income for the rich.

A Cranky One Jun 2, 2023 • 3:10:36pm

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 3:13:45pm

Ah Shane Vaughn, The Pulpit Pimp who insisted that Trump would be reinstated on

3/4/21
5/31/21
7/4/21
9/1/21
The Red Wave on Election Day 22
AND
He still insists The Big G will put Trump back on the throne any day now…

MAGA pastor Shane Vaughn says Target will cave to conservative Christians because they’re the only ones with money: “The little LBGTQSers and who all they are don’t have jobs. They smoke weed from the time they get up ‘til the time they go to bed in their mother’s basement.” pic.twitter.com/SqoxACozNx

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) June 1, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:14:37pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Blocked by my carrier. Apple News collects private data through its links, which is against state law. I cannot read it.

Here’s the link from The Atlantic for that article.

America Is Headed Toward Collapse (June 2, 2023)

How has America slid into its current age of discord? Why has our trust in institutions collapsed, and why have our democratic norms unraveled?

All human societies experience recurrent waves of political crisis, such as the one we face today. My research team built a database of hundreds of societies across 10,000 years to try to find out what causes them. We examined dozens of variables, including population numbers, measures of well-being, forms of governance, and the frequency with which rulers are overthrown. We found that the precise mix of events that leads to crisis varies, but two drivers of instability loom large. The first is popular immiseration—when the economic fortunes of broad swaths of a population decline. The second, and more significant, is elite overproduction—when a society produces too many superrich and ultra-educated people, and not enough elite positions to satisfy their ambitions.

(more)

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:14:47pm

Absolutely no connection to this incident. But very glad the anonymous lady was there at the right time.

To the anonymous woman who performed CPR then defibrillated a total stranger on a Metro train stopped at the Foggy Bottom station today, you are a true hero and the reason why my patient is alive. Some days can be pretty dark. Today was filled with light.

— Jonathan Reiner 🟦 (@JReinerMD) June 2, 2023

Captain Ron Jun 2, 2023 • 3:17:18pm

He would have made that deal. The deal just like the deal he ended that was preventing Iranian nuclear development. Because reasons.

— Methane Blowhole (@MethaneBlowhole) June 2, 2023

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:21:06pm

I’ve looked at the climate projections, and the water maps. Phoenix might be the first American city to fall to climate change. Like everywhere on the Colorado river, it relies on a rapidly dwindling supply it doesn’t control.

tl; dr: I’d sell. https://t.co/gTi7B6ghSW pic.twitter.com/ARflzt9ZUH

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) June 2, 2023

Eclectic Cyborg Jun 2, 2023 • 3:23:33pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon ✅

$34 million once would set up a person up for life. Why the fuck does anyone need to make that much PER YEAR?

Eclectic Cyborg Jun 2, 2023 • 3:24:39pm

re: #13 ckkatz

Metropolises in the desert were never a great idea to begin with.

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 3:25:29pm

Oh no!

Chick Fil A is no longer De Lawd’s Chicken. It’s gone…WOKE!!! 🤣

‘No longer the Lord’s Chicken’: Woman ‘grieving’ over ‘woke’ Chick-fil-A hiring diversity lead

uh, I could have told her that 6 years ago when they stopped serving the best Cole slaw ever made…

alternet.org

A self-described “Christian woman” who is a contributor to the far-right wing students organization Turning Point USA, is being widely mocked for posting a video attacking Chick-fil-A over claims the conservative, privately-owned, faith-based fast food restaurant chain recently hired a diversity officer.

“So I’m grieving,” the video, apparently by Morgonn McMichael (below), begins. “It’s lunchtime. I’m here with Aubrey. And we really wanted some Chick-fil-A but because they decided to hire a diversity, equity and inclusion corporate position, and also bow down to the woke lord because their ESG scores, and also I found out do you know their chicken is funded by BlackRock and Vanguard? Yeah they’re farms, they use Tyson and this other farm, BlackRock and Vanguard funded chicken.”

Does she know? https://t.co/JWFCMZmdYB pic.twitter.com/sjyvvKRMPL

— Ashton Pittman 🏳️‍🌈 (@ashtonpittman) June 2, 2023

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:26:52pm

Another perspective for the discussion on academic journeys -

Two years ago, I had an 8th-grade education thanks to spending 35 years in a cult.

Now, I’ve successfully finished my second year at NYU.

Undertaking this educational journey has been one of the most difficult experiences of my life. There are days where I’ve thought about…

— Leah Remini (@LeahRemini) June 2, 2023

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:28:23pm

re: #13 ckkatz

Maybe it’s time to quit watering golf courses and switch to disc golf.

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 3:30:33pm

Your state infrastructure is in shambles. Your citizens have unmet needs. Your teacher pay is among the lowest in the nation. Your higher Ed institutions are forcing resignations and retirements because of budget cuts. How is this surplus a thing to brag about? https://t.co/Pq73xye3Gd

— Neema Avashia (@AvashiaNeema) June 2, 2023

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:30:39pm

re: #18 jaunte

Maybe it’s time to quit watering golf courses and switch to disc golf.

It’s good humored and innovative ideas like this that keep me returning to lgf.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:30:40pm

Incoming wingnut boycott of Sesame Street (wait, they’ve launched scores of boycotts against Sesame Street already)

This #PrideMonth, let’s celebrate diversity and unity and spread love and acceptance. Together, we can make the world a kinder place for all. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜 pic.twitter.com/9EaK8egQjy

— Sesame Street (@sesamestreet) June 2, 2023

Eclectic Cyborg Jun 2, 2023 • 3:30:43pm

re: #18 jaunte

Maybe it’s time to quit watering golf courses and switch to disc golf.

I suspect you won’t get very far trying to take golf away from rich folks.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:31:09pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon ✅

Have you tried abandoning bigotry? It’s a smarter option than putting yourself in a smaller and smaller box to try to avoid nice people who reject bigotry.

— Jeff Flanagan (@JeffMFlanagan) June 2, 2023

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 3:32:09pm

re: #462 silverdolphin

While The Atlantic is more credible than the typical rag, I am very wary of screaming headlines.

From the article:

All human societies experience recurrent waves of political crisis, such as the one we face today. My research team built a database of hundreds of societies across 10,000 years to try to find out what causes them. We examined dozens of variables, including population numbers, measures of well-being, forms of governance, and the frequency with which rulers are overthrown. We found that the precise mix of events that leads to crisis varies, but two drivers of instability loom large. The first is popular immiseration—when the economic fortunes of broad swaths of a population decline. The second, and more significant, is elite overproduction—when a society produces too many superrich and ultra-educated people, and not enough elite positions to satisfy their ambitions.

I’m not impressed.

More specifically: even in the hardest of sciences it is often challenging determining cause and effect.

Sociology is not going to do better.

“Precise mix” - um… I doubt that.

I disagree with the assertion about immiseration. I simply do not see that in the large scale of the American population, at least not yet.

So I am going to push back at the narrative.

I’m not a subscriber so I can’t see the whole article. If he has published research then I’m open to reading links.

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 3:32:31pm

re: #19 Backwoods Sleuth

We’re blessed beyond belief in our state, and it’s a testament to the world continuing to realize that West Virginia is the true diamond in the rough that they all missed. https://t.co/MURGWxYA3Q

— Governor Jim Justice (@WVGovernor) June 1, 2023

If I quit feeding my family and didn’t pay any of my bills I’m sure I’d have a surplus of money too.

Shirking responsibilities in order to have a plethora of cash does not necessarily make one successful.

It’s called sandbagging

— OakGill 🦍🏴‍☠️🩳 (@GillinOakhill) June 1, 2023

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:32:49pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

The famously public-spirited wealthy?

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:33:37pm

Disc golf is a good workout if you run the course.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:35:38pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon ✅

Ah Shane Vaughn, The Pulpit Pimp who insisted that Trump would be reinstated on

3/4/21
5/31/21
7/4/21
9/1/21
The Red Wave on Election Day 22
AND
He still insists The Big G will put Trump back on the throne any day now…

He can get in line for a stoning from his followers too.

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:38:39pm

Drone warfare -
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Ukraine is losing 10,000 drones a month to Russian electronic-warfare systems that send fake signals and screw with their navigation, says a report released by the UK’s Royal United Services Institute 10000 🤔🤔🤔https://t.co/e6cX2IsWUU?

— Harry Boone (@Harry_Boone) May 23, 2023

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.
The Queen’s Dragoon Guards brought 30 drones to a deployment in Mali. And returned with 2 of them.

“There aren’t many trees in Mali but they [the drones] found them”
.

“Maj Purbrick pointed out that some Army units are already operating relatively sophisticated and expensive UAS systems. “The Queen’s Dragoon Guards are fresh back from Mali,” he explained. “They took around 30 UAVs with them and we came back to two!” https://t.co/8e6xUUN8RT pic.twitter.com/vjHuEAv8s9

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) June 1, 2023

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 3:41:28pm

When you spend your hairdresser allowance on lawyers to stay out of prison … pic.twitter.com/pYOp2TcqFn

— Piyush Mittal 🇺🇸🇺🇦🟧 (@piyushmittal) June 2, 2023

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:42:44pm

re: #30 Backwoods Sleuth

He’s lost so much hair he’s going to have to try something other than that foldover do.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:43:23pm

re: #30 Backwoods Sleuth

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That might be the best that can be done with his remaining hair. He’s been in a hat a lot since he left office.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:43:24pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon ✅

Every time she says “Christian”, replace it with the word “racist”, and it makes a lot more sense. Thenmsuddenly her words make sense. They fight so hard to push racism and sexism in corporations with their new boycott method. A vain attempt to reformat American business with…

— r3v3r3nc3 (@reverentMike) June 2, 2023

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:44:14pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Aren’t they ALL the Lord’s chickens, though?”

KingKenrod Jun 2, 2023 • 3:45:50pm

re: #30 Backwoods Sleuth

No joke - he looks like an Oompah-Loompa with a runaway pituitary gland.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:46:15pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

pic.twitter.com/EyJ0mNc36r

— Tommy 2Tall 🇸🇪🌻🇺🇦 (@Tommy_2Tall) June 2, 2023

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 3:47:44pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The most absurd part of this is that you think “the Lord” is interested in fast food at all.

The last time I looked at the Bible, it seems “the Lord” likes grilled lamb or goat, making do with roasted doves in a pinch. Just no bacon, please.

— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) June 2, 2023

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:49:02pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon ✅

‘No longer the Lord’s Chicken’

My mind first went to “Droit du seigneur”. I immediately decided that I didn’t want to know any more.

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:49:16pm

re: #37 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Social media clout addiction ain’t pretty.

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 3:51:16pm

Texas Republicans refuse to solve the grid problems here unless their oil & gas buddies get even more of the pie.

Peter Lake, chair of the Public Utility Commission — which regulates the state’s power grid — resigned Friday.

He had spearheaded a plan to help the state’s power grid withstand weather disasters, but the plan lacked support in the Texas Legislature. https://t.co/tsB3AquNZ5

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) June 2, 2023

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 3:51:30pm

Pediatrician here. Billionaires & politicians should check themselves.

Kids don’t consent to medical care. Parents do.

Decisions are family-centered, with the child/teen providing input & assent, and parents have the final say on nearly all medical decisions. pic.twitter.com/IuDJUpkdq6

— Scott Hadland, MD (@DrScottHadland) June 2, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:52:54pm

re: #24 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

While The Atlantic is more credible the typical rag, I am very wary of screaming headlines.

From the article:

I’m not impressed.

More specifically: even in the hardest of sciences it is often challenging determining cause and effect.

Sociology is not going to do better.

“Precise mix” - um… I doubt that.

I disagree with the assertion about immiseration. I simply do not see that in the large scale of the American population, at least not yet.

So I am going to push back at the narrative.

I’m not a subscriber so I can’t see the whole article. If he has published research then I’m open to reading links.

Social science isn’t climate science, but the same arguments are used against both (how can you study back 10,000 years—when we have the tools to study back 10,000 years in both).

Since writing was invented, we have the written records and observations of thousands of civilisations. With various tools ranging from archaeology, we have the tools to measure things like average height and life expectancy. Nations’ bureaucratic records exist for thousands of years.

His list of academic papers (over a hundred) published in Nature, Science, and PNAS

peterturchin.com

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 3:54:24pm

In all the OT you will never find “chicken” on the menu for “The Lord”. Nope, not anywhere.

Doves, if you are cheap or poor.

Won’t find T-shirts either, but that won’t stop you from milking the marks.

— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) June 2, 2023

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 3:55:02pm

re: #38 ckkatz

On the other hand, I for one, look forward to the day when we no longer question a chicken’s motives for crossing the road!

;)

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 3:55:51pm

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yes, I know, he has lots of publications. He even helped found a journel.

But that does not mean his mouth (The Atlantic) can’t write a check that his ass (his published papers) can’t deliver.

Charles Johnson Jun 2, 2023 • 3:56:08pm

Muy Fifi

Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 3:56:32pm

re: #29 ckkatz

10,000 drones a month? Color me skeptical. That’s a HUGE number.

Barefoot Grin Jun 2, 2023 • 3:58:54pm

re: #11 ckkatz

Absolutely no connection to this incident. But very glad the anonymous lady was there at the right time.

Holy shit, the comments. All of the top commenters were anti-vaxxers who immediately jumped on a heart issue as connected to mRNA therapies.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 3:59:13pm

25% < 75%

Your math skills are lacking.

— The Deuce (@DosDoubleDeuce) June 2, 2023

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 3:59:33pm

Magadonians sounds like a group of people that no longer exist, like Babylonians.

Also, it is simply a fact of human experience that people who are very smart don’t go around saying they are very smart. https://t.co/qpMjR8oJmh

— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) June 2, 2023

Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 3:59:39pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Hollup, let her cook. She has the power of God and Anime on her side!

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:01:08pm

re: #50 Backwoods Sleuth

Alexander, the Great Magadonian.

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:02:48pm

Didn’t Alexander the Magadonian die of a virus?

Captain Ron Jun 2, 2023 • 4:02:51pm

pic.twitter.com/YO6jIZTF7f

— Katie Scarlett (@Katiescarlet2) June 2, 2023

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:03:26pm

re: #50 Backwoods Sleuth

We are smart!

Star Trek STNG Moments 43 Samaritan Snare

EstebanTornado1963 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:03:49pm

Reference Ari Melber with Trumps ex lawyer
Fucking A

Nobody comes close to being the horrible interviewer Ari Melber is.He’s the worst I’ve seen in 50 years of TV https://t.co/bhjLCEtbUZ can anyone not get pissed at him 4 constant interruptions& talking over/at the same time as his guests?I mention he’s the worst I’ve ever seen?

— William Castillo (@felinesfor420) June 2, 2023

Why is MSNBC allowing Trump’s former lawyer to spew wall to wall bullshit about Jack Smith’s case with minimal pushback? This isn’t journalism. It’s not even entertainment. It’s the platforming of disinformation.

— Palmer Report (@PalmerReport) June 2, 2023

Barefoot Grin Jun 2, 2023 • 4:03:57pm

re: #52 jaunte

Alexander, the Great Magadonian.

I’m pretty sure Alexander was a Macadamian.

Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 4:04:23pm

re: #57 Barefoot Grin

I’m pretty sure Alexander was a Macadamian.

No, that’s a kind of nut. He was a Macaroonian.

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:07:16pm

re: #47 Nerdy Fish

10,000 drones a month? Color me skeptical. That’s a HUGE number.

Agreed,10,000 drones a month is a lot! Tbh, I do not know what the truth is here. And, obviously, I cannot evaluate the credibility of the humint or the underlying data.

That is why I posted the article. Which gives the actual report url.
Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies - Meatgrinder: Russian Tactics in the Second Year of Its Invasion of Ukraine

Here’s the paragraph -

ELECTRONIC WARFARE REMAINS a critical component of the Russian way of fighting. While there was an extremely high density of EW systems in Donbas in 2022, the AFRF now employ approximately one major EW system per 10 km of frontage, usually situated approximately 7 km from the frontline, with more specialised EW capabilities sat at higher echelon.[52] These platforms are usually aimed at controlling and defeating UAVs. Interestingly, there is minimal interest among Russian crews in synchronising these effects with other activities or with deconflicting their effects. Instead, for the period when an EW team is deployed, it is weapons free with its system and tends to aggressively attack Ukrainian systems. The Shipovnik-Aero is proving a particularly effective system because it has a low signature and can further obfuscate this by imitating other emitters and communications devices. [53] It also has a sophisticated range of effects for downing UAVs. [54] The Russian military is also continuing to make extensive use of navigational interference in the battle area as a form of electronic protection. This is contributing to a Ukrainian loss rate in UAVs of approximately 10,000 per month.[55]

52. Author interview with S.
53. Technical assessment of this system conducted in Ukraine, July 2022.
54. Author interview with S; author interview with T.
55. Author interview with B; author interview with T; author interview with O.

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:07:25pm

re: #54 Captain Ron

this guy?

UPDATE: A man with a gun, a flamethrower and a Nazi flag was surrounded by police Friday evening following a more than six hour standoff in Humboldt Park.https://t.co/eh8SR8GMLF pic.twitter.com/mxFwnvakyi

— Block Club Chicago (@BlockClubCHI) June 2, 2023

gwangung Jun 2, 2023 • 4:08:14pm

re: #60 Backwoods Sleuth

Be glad the cops aren’t recruiting him.

darthstar Jun 2, 2023 • 4:08:46pm

re: #60 Backwoods Sleuth

this guy?

When flamethrowers are outlawed, only outlaws will have flamethrowers.

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:09:58pm

Turns out magats aren’t Americans, they are Magadonians. 😂🤣😂🤣 Megadoorknobs. Megamorons. At least the cult has its official name. And they don’t identify as American. Perfect. Now leave.

— FRO☀️ (@FROzenLiberal) June 2, 2023

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:11:10pm

“MAGADONIONS”

This cult is just getting more and more insane. pic.twitter.com/dX4ID5rPxe

— Tim Faulkner (@TimFaulkner81) June 2, 2023

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:12:06pm

MAGADONIONS- do they make delicious rings when deep fried?

— Jim Hagman, Ph.D. 🌝💙🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦🇺🇸 (@HagmanDr) June 2, 2023

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:12:08pm

Bagofonions.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:12:22pm

re: #43 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Her answer is in the thread.

pic.twitter.com/Nft7Z6sLBu

— B.E. Commander 🏴‍☠️🇺🇸 (@BECommander11) June 2, 2023

The Pie Overlord! Jun 2, 2023 • 4:12:46pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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What is this conspiracy about Vanguard and Blackrock?

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:13:08pm

re: #60 Backwoods Sleuth

this guy?

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Looks like a Musk fan exercising his rights.

Elon Musk’s ‘Not-A-Flamethrower’ has been turning up in drug busts and weapon seizures (Insider - Jan 2021)

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:13:48pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Her answer is in the thread.

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Ouch. Bible burn.

Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 4:13:53pm

Magadonia, it’s giving me vague Petoria vibes from the semi-awful adult animated comedy Family Guy.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:14:52pm

re: #71 Nerdy Fish

Magadonia, it’s giving me vague Petoria vibes from the semi-awful adult animated comedy Family Guy.

It’s no American Dad, but it has its positives.

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:14:55pm

re: #68 The Pie Overlord!

Here’s a random conspiracist tweet about it:

Perfectly Explained; How the WEF uses Social Initiatives like Corporate Equality Index CEI, Environmental Social & Corporate Governance ESG, & Diversity Equity & Inclusion DEI, to achieve Corporate Communist Objectives via
Blackrock Vanguard and State Street 2 Kill Capitalism

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 4:15:18pm

re: #57 Barefoot Grin

I’m pretty sure Alexander was a Macadamian.

Honey Roasted Macadamia Nuts…mmmmmm!

Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 4:15:38pm

re: #72 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

It’s no American Dad, but it has its positives.

I dunno. The only one of the whole genre that I truly enjoyed was Futurama.

Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 2, 2023 • 4:15:48pm

re: #71 Nerdy Fish

Magadonia, it’s giving me vague Petoria vibes from the semi-awful adult animated comedy Family Guy.

Freedonia could take magadonia

darthstar Jun 2, 2023 • 4:18:15pm

Mastodon

BlueSpotinAL ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 4:19:20pm

Magadonions would have been a delicious snack in the Donner Party.

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:19:45pm

re: #68 The Pie Overlord!

What is this conspiracy about Vanguard and Blackrock?

Viral video asserting that the two companies own everything.
Links to the video in original article.

Fact Check-Video claiming BlackRock and Vanguard ‘own all the biggest corporations in the world’ is missing context

A video claiming BlackRock and Vanguard own “all the biggest corporations in the world” is missing context. While it is true that both investment firms hold significant shares in many of the world’s leading companies and can therefore wield voting rights, shares are ultimately owned by Blackrock and Vanguard’s clients.

The clip was first posted on March 6 to a lifestyle Instagram account called ‘foundconsciousness’, and it has been liked more than 17,200 times (here).

It features a man asking: “Why are all the biggest corporations in the world owned by the same people?” before cutting to picture slides of 12 companies.
*snip*

Reuters Fact Check

BeenHereAwhile Jun 2, 2023 • 4:19:57pm

re: #50 Backwoods Sleuth

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
Magadonians sounds like a group of people that no longer exist, like Babylonians.

Also, it is simply a fact of human experience that people who are very smart don’t go around saying they are very smart.

Time to bring out the Thagomizer.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:20:15pm

re: #75 Nerdy Fish

I dunno. The only one of the whole genre that I truly enjoyed was Futurama.

Futurama is an excellent show. So are Groenig’s other shows. The Simpsons ran way too long, of course. Disenchantment grew on me.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:21:45pm

re: #45 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yes, I know, he has lots of publications. He even helped found a journel.

But that does not mean his mouth (The Atlantic) can’t write a check that his ass (his published papers) can’t deliver.

It would probably help if the paper in question was cited in the article at The Atlantic. I can’t seem to find it.

He cites a book he wrote: End Times: Elites, Counter-Elites, and the Path of Political Disintegration (hardcover $28, ships June 13)

TarHellion Jun 2, 2023 • 4:22:55pm

re: #69 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

George Carlin - Flamethrowers

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:24:09pm

re: #68 The Pie Overlord!

What is this conspiracy about Vanguard and Blackrock?

The two companies have DEI programmes and allegedly a scoring system for investments. They also invest in a lot of companies, so any company which has a Pride Month display must be forced to have it by one of those two companies.

I have no idea if they have DEI investment requirements; ofttimes wingnut conspiracies make no sense to me. Probably Bohemian Grove is involved somewhere in there. /s

jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:25:07pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

it’s all part of the corporate communist project to destroy capitalism, I’m told.

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:25:19pm

The death toll from the derailment of two passenger trains in India has risen to 120, according to a media report. The Press Trust of India quoted state Fire Services Chief Sudhanshu Sarangi saying more than 800 people were hurt. https://t.co/8m0zGiWO6X

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 2, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:26:55pm

re: #69 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Looks like a Musk fan exercising his rights.

Elon Musk’s ‘Not-A-Flamethrower’ has been turning up in drug busts and weapon seizures (Insider - Jan 2021)

SMDH

Elon Musk said the company had named the Not-A-Flamethrower with foreign laws in mind. In Italy, for example, possessing a flamethrower can carry a sentence of 10 years, per TechCrunch.

“We were told that various countries would ban shipping of it, that they would ban flamethrowers […] to solve this problem for all of the customs agencies, we labelled it, ‘Not a Flamethrower,’” Musk told podcaster Joe Rogan in 2018.

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:27:35pm

Twitter has provided a gold checkmark business verification badge to an unlicensed Simpsons scam cryptocurrency token pic.twitter.com/CQTPegFpq3

— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) June 2, 2023

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:28:45pm

*snork*

The things that Large Language Models can do best—quickly producing reams of fluent but inaccurate or mendacious text, superficially convincing but easily destroyed by scrutiny—are ironically best fitted for replacing higher-level managers and politicians.

— Julia S. (@booktweeting) June 2, 2023

EstebanTornado1963 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:28:58pm

Looking forward to Colbert coming back.

“CNN CEO Chris Licht told his direct reports that he is no longer overseeing business operations for the network, according to Dylan Byers of Puck News.”

mediaite.com

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:29:09pm

re: #85 jaunte

it’s all part of the corporate communist project to destroy capitalism, I’m told.

Chik-fil-A’s new corporate theme (3:56)

The Internationale (English)

Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:30:08pm

BREAKING: Scientists have captured on video the exact moment when an unwoke chicken became a woke chicken!!! pic.twitter.com/26d78ADqyM

— 😱 Scary Larry 😱 🇺🇦✊🏻🇺🇸🗽 (@aintscarylarry) June 2, 2023

steve_davis Jun 2, 2023 • 4:30:53pm

What a delightful experience! I was just thinking about running off to the store for some Bota Box, and I suddenly remembered I’d shoved a box into the back of the fridge several days earlier and just forgotten about it. This was almost as much fun as the other night, when I dreamed I’d loaned my phone to somebody and they’d stolen it. And that was one long-assed dream. Very convincing. Woke up and was very glad to discover that hadn’t happened in this plane of existence, only in the Kadathian dreamscape.

ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:33:08pm

From this morning -

Right now if you go on anyone’s profile it’ll tell you that they haven’t tweeted. Just another day on Twitter, the website that works.

— Carl Kinsella (@TVsCarlKinsella) June 2, 2023

Big spike of Twitter outages started a little while ago pic.twitter.com/9F7IsELd3o

— Eileen Clancy (@clancynewyork) June 2, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:35:04pm

re: #88 ckkatz

They’re already gone.

Too embarrassing for Elno apparently.

🔧-wench Jun 2, 2023 • 4:36:27pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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Video

Possibly Lalo Guerrero’s last recorded performance (if they recorded them in order).

Barrio Viejo

A Cranky One Jun 2, 2023 • 4:36:38pm

But where are the spiders?

darthstar Jun 2, 2023 • 4:36:46pm

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They’re already gone.

Too embarrassing for Elno apparently.

Too costly a legal liability. Fox just paid 787 million in fines…they could recoup a lot of that from Elmo.

Belafon Jun 2, 2023 • 4:38:25pm

re: #29 ckkatz

Drone warfare -
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Imagine how bad Russia would really be doing if Ukraine wasn’t losing that many.

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Belafon Jun 2, 2023 • 4:38:39pm

Inbox: @GovAbbott signs #SB14 (trans care ban for minors) #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) June 2, 2023

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:39:18pm

I’d love a Nebraska “Better State Flag”
🙏🙏🙏 https://t.co/dBkloRcfzQ pic.twitter.com/mityWQ9Skh

— Senator Machaela Cavanaugh (@senatormachaela) June 2, 2023

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A Cranky One Jun 2, 2023 • 4:39:27pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 4:41:44pm

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Cynical me thinks he wrote the article to promote sales of his book.

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silverdolphin Jun 2, 2023 • 4:42:45pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Blocked by my carrier. Apple News collects private data through its links, which is against state law. I cannot read it.

Sorry. That is what I get for posting in the bathroom ;-) Here is a better link, although it may be behind a paywall.

America Is Headed Toward Collapse

I’ll see if I can find a better link. Turchin is well worth reading.

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ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:43:26pm

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They’re already gone.

Too embarrassing for Elno apparently.

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jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:44:06pm

It’s their club to run, but a 1% polling threshold seems too low to be a credible candidate.

RNC formally announces the 40,000 donor and 1% polling threshold for debates pic.twitter.com/kFVnwW92kt

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) June 2, 2023

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie Jun 2, 2023 • 4:45:22pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Elon Musk’s ‘Not-A-Flamethrower’ has been turning up in drug busts and weapon seizures (Insider - Jan 2021)

SMDH

Elon Musk said the company had named the Not-A-Flamethrower with foreign laws in mind. In Italy, for example, possessing a flamethrower can carry a sentence of 10 years, per TechCrunch.

“We were told that various countries would ban shipping of it, that they would ban flamethrowers […] to solve this problem for all of the customs agencies, we labelled it, ‘Not a Flamethrower,’” Musk told podcaster Joe Rogan in 2018.

Still don’t see much of a home-defense application but ammosexuals should be encouraged to experiment with that possibility.

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jaunte Jun 2, 2023 • 4:45:57pm

“Eight registered Republicans think you could be President, so welcome to the race!”

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ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 4:46:12pm

re: #106 jaunte

I look forward to hearing from the “Gas Station Taco” faction.

(It polls higher than most of these clowns!)

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 2, 2023 • 4:48:01pm

re: #108 jaunte

“Eight registered Republicans think you could be President, so welcome to the race!”

40,000 donors seems to be the more serious hurdle. Any social media influencer could run, but most of us couldn’t.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 4:48:36pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t like their California edit:
1) the bear should be green, not red;
2) the bear should not look like it’s a vector drawing limited to just a few vectors, it’d be better with more detail.

Additionally, I think gold (for Golden State) would be better than red, even if red is more historical.

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William Lewis Jun 2, 2023 • 4:49:25pm

re: #103 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Cynical me thinks he wrote the article to promote sales of his book.

Glancing at a bit of the materials I’m seeing online gives me the impression of “stuff is happening, lets make up a story to explain it and grift as much as possible”. I’m really not getting any kind of feeling of academic rigor here. May just be cynicism too but I have an intense disbelief in historians predicting anything; spent too much time dealing with people going from Marx’s legitimate economic analysis to the “inevitable historical dialectic” aka “Historical determinism” and other such claptrap.

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Belafon Jun 2, 2023 • 4:51:53pm

re: #72 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

It’s no American Dad, but it has its positives.

I want the next crossover to be Bob’s Burgers and American Dad. Bob gets a concussion and reverts to Archer.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 2, 2023 • 4:52:01pm

re: #112 William Lewis

There is a big gulf between:
1) academic analysis of historical societies; and
2) prognosticating the future of the US.

Recent history has given us a spate of people who on first glance seem all sciency with data (hint: 538) but in the end are all to similar to crystal ball gazers.

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PhillyPretzel ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 4:53:44pm

Thunder and rain in NE Philly. I can hear it on the windows.

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Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:53:48pm

if you missed it:

Tune in as I deliver remarks on the passage of the bipartisan budget agreement. https://t.co/NAnAAvVmtG

— President Biden (@POTUS) June 2, 2023

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie Jun 2, 2023 • 4:54:45pm

Yeah, yeah, I know a JW meeting house is actually called a “Kingdom Hall” but not many people would get the joke if the door said that.

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Charles Johnson Jun 2, 2023 • 4:56:04pm

Mastodon

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Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:56:55pm

Biden takes a shot at Trump, “We’re all in a much more fiscally responsible course than the one I inherited when I took office four years ago. When I came to office, the deficit had increased every year the previous four years.” pic.twitter.com/x6Z8muucIU

— Sarah Reese Jones (@PoliticusSarah) June 2, 2023

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Belafon Jun 2, 2023 • 4:57:06pm

re: #106 jaunte

It’s their club to run, but a 1% polling threshold seems too low to be a credible candidate.

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How to make sure Trump wins.

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William Lewis Jun 2, 2023 • 4:57:36pm

re: #113 Belafon

I want the next crossover to be Bob’s Burgers and American Dad. Bob gets a concussion and reverts to Archer.

Reciting the Bloody Mary mantra?

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darthstar Jun 2, 2023 • 4:58:42pm

re: #99 Belafon

Imagine how bad Russia would really be doing if Ukraine wasn’t losing that many.

I’d rather lose 10,000 drones than 10,000 soldiers. Also, a lot of those drones are actually getting to their targets. Russia’s EW messes with their own defenses. Ukraine is now flying FPV drones close to the ground where EW is less useful and then rising up to get a target, locking on and diving.

There’s a great video shot by one drone of an FPV drone fucking with Russians in a trench shooting at it before circling around and hitting them. I’ll look for it. Here’s one where a driver knows he’s being attacked by drones.

Mastodon

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Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 4:59:53pm

Ron is getting LOTS of practice at this second-fiddle, running-mate thing while Casey steals a Trump line: “I can tell you stories, in the midst of covid, of single moms coming up to me with tears in their eyes.” pic.twitter.com/nuL4iVSiRZ

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) June 2, 2023

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austin_blue Jun 2, 2023 • 5:01:03pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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One Meatball sung by Frank Sinatra & Lou Costello RARE (radio performance)

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Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 5:01:30pm

re: #123 Backwoods Sleuth

With tears in their eyes, “Ma’am, tell your husband thank you for letting me have the freedom to infect all my neighbors with the plague, you have no idea how good it feels to be able to unleash my inner sociopath.”

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Unabogie Jun 2, 2023 • 5:02:37pm

re: #60 Backwoods Sleuth

this guy?

So weird that he wasn’t seen as a “threat” and riddled with bullets. Like, a flamethrower-wielding Nazi can endure a 6-hour standoff but Tamir Rice, 12 years old, got smoked in less than 5 seconds in the same city.

Funny that.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 2, 2023 • 5:04:09pm

re: #126 Unabogie

So weird that he wasn’t seen as a “threat” and riddled with bullets. Like, a flamethrower-wielding Nazi can endure a 6-hour standoff but Tamir Rice, 12 years old, got smoked in less than 5 seconds in the same city.

Funny that.

George Floyd was also unavailable for comment.

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Backwoods Sleuth Jun 2, 2023 • 5:07:00pm

When you suddenly realize that the deadline is tomorrow pic.twitter.com/O0MMnvXu10

— PhD_Genie (@PhD_Genie) May 31, 2023

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mmmirele Jun 2, 2023 • 5:08:16pm

I’m on episode three of four of “Shiny Happy People,” which premiered yesterday on Amazon Prime. It’s about the Duggar family (in fact, the subtitle is “Duggar Family Secrets). One of the older Duggar children, Jill Duggar Dillard, is part of the documentary. Worldly “cousin Amy” also speaks.

It’s pretty harrowing watching. Yes, the Duggars are front and center, and their lifestyle is first portrayed as “shiny happy people” but the layers are peeled back and you learn this is a much larger thing. Even the abuse is part of it, because of the authoritarian nature of the teachings of JimBob and Michelle’s cult leader, Bill Gothard, and the Institute in Basic Life Principles. The filmmakers also talk to women who attempted to raise their families within the IBLP structures and now adult children who are out.

It’s unpleasant to see how terrible so many people have been harmed by this cult. And yeah, it’s called a cult.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 5:08:43pm

‘Corrupt’: OH Secretary of State admits proposal would avert abortion rights after denying for months

alternet.org

Just days after the Supreme Court of the United States overturned Roe v. Wade last year, Ohio enforced a 6-week abortion ban “for three months before a state constitutional challenge blocked it,” according to NPR.

Nearly one year later, Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose (R) is pushing Issue 1 — a proposal that would “make the constitution harder to amend,” and saying his efforts are “100%” due to efforts to legalize abortion,” News 5 Cleveland reports.

Before the secretary admitted the real reason behind his proposal, abortion rights advocates were already convinced the secretary his goal was to “make it harder to make abortion a constitutional right.”

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Unabogie Jun 2, 2023 • 5:08:57pm

re: #127 Nerdy Fish

George Floyd was also unavailable for comment.

George was clearly a threat for having possibly passed a bad $20 bill. Even though no one could produce it later. Poor Derek Chauvin, right?

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Unabogie Jun 2, 2023 • 5:10:38pm

Mastodon

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austin_blue Jun 2, 2023 • 5:15:25pm

re: #129 mmmirele

I’m on episode three of four of “Shiny Happy People,” which premiered yesterday on Amazon Prime. It’s about the Duggar family (in fact, the subtitle is “Duggar Family Secrets). One of the older Duggar children, Jill Duggar Dillard, is part of the documentary. Worldly “cousin Amy” also speaks.

It’s pretty harrowing watching. Yes, the Duggars are front and center, and their lifestyle is first portrayed as “shiny happy people” but the layers are peeled back and you learn this is a much larger thing. Even the abuse is part of it, because of the authoritarian nature of the teachings of JimBob and Michelle’s cult leader, Bill Gothard, and the Institute in Basic Life Principles. The filmmakers also talk to women who attempted to raise their families within the IBLP structures and now adult children who are out.
It’s unpleasant to see how terrible so many people have been harmed by this cult. And yeah, it’s called a cult.

Quiverfull people. Make your wife have children until her uterus falls out.

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PhillyPretzel ✅ Jun 2, 2023 • 5:15:33pm

So the severe thunderstorm warning is supposed to expire in about 15 minutes. NE Philly did get some rain and plenty of thunder.

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gocart mozart Jun 2, 2023 • 5:16:11pm

re: #124 austin_blue

I had to put the one meatball in its proper context.

https://t.co/YtYeSKCoY4

— gocart mozart (@EdMix13) June 3, 2023

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Romantic Heretic Jun 2, 2023 • 5:16:30pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

I suspect you won’t get very far trying to take golf away from rich folks.

They’ll stop bitching after we poors eat them. /

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Charles Johnson Jun 2, 2023 • 5:21:49pm

Mastodon

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ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 5:27:15pm

This has been discussed before on LGF -

Here’s an excerpt the @newrepublic ran on this portion of “Saving Democracy.”2/https://t.co/PvMi7jAcVp

— David Pepper (@DavidPepper) June 2, 2023

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gocart mozart Jun 2, 2023 • 5:27:43pm

They’re the same picture.

pic.twitter.com/7QZf31L6zC

— gocart mozart (@EdMix13) June 3, 2023

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darthstar Jun 2, 2023 • 5:32:01pm

re: #122 darthstar

Gah…I just need to bookmark these things so I can find them again later….scrolled back three days to no avail.

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silverdolphin Jun 2, 2023 • 5:32:40pm

Sorry for my previous lonks about Peter Turchion’s work. He has a bok coming out on all his work on collapsing societies and long term waves. Here is an open discussion of his work at The Guardian.

End Times by Peter Turchin review - can we predict the collapse of societies?

TL:DR There are long term disintegrative and integrative cycles in society that last 80-100 years,We see older processes for organizing society fail as newer, more adaptive processes arise. There comes a battle between the disintegrating and integratibng societies before the turmil subsides. Incomne inequality if a teling marker of each phase..

Click to Reveal

What Turchin sees in the data are long term waves in a multitude of economic and political data, sine waves going down and up about every 80-100 years. I believe these waves are caused by fundamentally disruptive technology that enhances information flow exponentially and requires a restructuring of society to fully deal with this glut of data. Railroads and the telegraph were one. Fossil-fuel driven vehicles were another. And of course, the personal comnputer and the internet.

We must disintegrate one society based on an earlier organizational structure even as we integrate a new society that can deal with the new economies of disruptive technology.

I believe the current disintegration period started in the mid 70s (Apple, MS and the rise of Reagan.) We are currently in a battle between the society that is disintegrating because it cannot adapt to the huge increase in information flow, and another society that is integrating all of these technologies. At some point, they are similar in strengths and a battle issue.

We both agree a main descriptor for the disintegrative phase is income inequality. While he does not harp on it, I feel that this income inequality is a direct result of the tremendous new economies driven by this disruptive technology. People make huge amouts by getting in early. Income inequality always goes up.

Just as an animal that successful enters a new environment with out any competitors can increase in size exponentially. That does not make the animan praticularly smarter than others. Just lucky. Sane here with most income inequality,

At some point, the exponential increase in money creates a bubble and we see the begiinign of the collapse (ie 2007). There then enters a period where the adaptive forces in society begin to disperse the new orgabnizing principles (ie woke principles fo diversity) for a new society. As one collapses, another rises. There is a battle for supremacy usually encompassing a major war (ie Civill War, WW2, War against COVID).

Eventually (at least so far) the society based on the newer, more adaptive and resilient processes gains supremacy. Because it is able to deal effectively with the huge amount of information created by the disruptive technologies. It makes better decisions while the older processes yeild stupid decisions. We enter a Golden Age where these porcesses spread through most every bit of the society and ever works from the same set of metaphors and rules of thumb.

Until the next wave hits.

Income inequality is tamed by active government regulation and drops precipitously. This was done after WW2 by taxation of income. Income inequality dropped to normal levels in leas than 5 years (the top tax rate was 90%). I expect taxation of wealth will do something similar. In addition, each new society had new economic princples - end of slavery, a mixed/Keynsian economy. I expect we too will see new economic principles arise (ie MMT?)

Essentially a previous society has to collapse as it cannot adapt to the new cultural envioronment created by disruptive technologies. And, so far, a new and more adaptive society aleays takes its place. The average span of the transition from the old society finally dying and the new one risong to full prominance is about 17 years. Taking the 2007 collapse as the start, we shpud be seeing a better future around 2024. Which we seem to be seeing.

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TedStriker Jun 2, 2023 • 5:36:14pm

re: #81 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Futurama is an excellent show. So are Groenig’s other shows. The Simpsons ran way too long, of course. Disenchantment grew on me.

And, IIRC, Futurama’s supposed to be coming back with new episodes.

Again.

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ckkatz Jun 2, 2023 • 5:36:32pm

So the RNC wants candidates to pledge to support an eventual nominee even if the nominee has multiple indictments or even convictions? Brilliant strategy Ronna. Do you have a campaign from jail plan contingency too? https://t.co/IVm7P8I7Sg

— Barbara Comstock (@BarbaraComstock) June 2, 2023