PBS Space Time: What Supernova Distance Would Trigger Mass Extinction on Earth?

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The death of a massive star results in one of the most beautiful and violent events in the universe: the supernova, so luminous we can see them here on Earth. But supernovas release deadly and violent radiation that could destroy our atmosphere.

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The deaths of massive stars results in one of the most beautiful and violent events in the universe: the supernova. They are so luminous we can see them here on Earth and historical records show that we can even see them into the day. But supernovas release deadly and violent radiation that could destroy our atmosphere. So how far away do these supernova have to be for humanity to be safe? And when will the next supernova occur

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1
Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:31:51pm

I’m so sorry that the topic of the new thread occurred to me as wishful thinking.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:33:58pm

From downstairs:

Most Republicans in Biden-won districts don’t want to talk about Trump indictment

Eighteen of them. I expect they will all lose in 2024. No matter how they try because silence is legally affirmation. WOn;t say anything about Trump? They agree with him. Won’t say anything about Roe eing overturned? They agree with forced birthers.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:33:59pm

No SMOD?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:35:34pm

Sweet Supernova of Atmospheric Stripping

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:36:06pm

SSASy!

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:37:06pm

re: #3 ckkatz

No SMOD?

Maybe SNOD (Sweet Nova Of Death)?

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:38:04pm

re: #6 Teukka

The pedestrian SuperNova Of Death also works.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:43:41pm

SO I went out looking and saw this.

Betelgeuse Is Getting Oddly Brighter, Prompting Speculations It Is About to Go Supernova

Luckily it is over 600 light years away.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:45:00pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

SO I went out looking and saw this.

Betelgeuse Is Getting Oddly Brighter, Prompting Speculations It Is About to Go Supernova

Luckily it is over 600 light years away.

I think we can get the job done ourselves long before then.

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:45:43pm

Not first!

I think you have to determine the energy pulse of the Supernova (SN) and then determine the level of energy entering our solar system based on the inverse square law.

Also, the orientation of the SN to our solar system. Is the pulse different at the poles as opposed to the equatorial center of the explosion? We know that SNs spin up to a huge rotational velocities before they collapse and go BOOM!

How much does the Solar Wind protect our planets?

How much do the Van Allen belts protect Earth?

Finally, how does the pulse affect the pulse-facing side of Earth as opposed to the opposite side of Earth?

I think there are at least three SpecFic novels, right there.

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:46:06pm

So if it went supernova in 1382, we finally will be finding out

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:46:40pm
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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:51:48pm

re: #11 TarHellion

So if it went supernova in 1382, we finally will be finding out

Yeah, but 641 light years is a pretty big dispersion of the inverse-square law.

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Captain Ron  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:55:02pm
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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:56:03pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Only know of one law involving an inverse.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:57:26pm

re: #11 TarHellion

So if it went supernova in 1382, we finally will be finding out

re: #13 austin_blue

Yeah, but 641 light years is a pretty big dispersion of the inverse-square law.

That would kind of suck. We launch a satellite that lets us look at light events that took place millions of years ago only to be able to zoom in on a death wave that’s been headed our way since the Maillotin Uprising?

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HypnoToad  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:58:01pm

I want Antares to blow. It’s a similar aged red giant to Betelgeuse, nearly on the opposite side of the sky in Scorpius. It is in a dense region of nebulosity and would provide a stunning lightshow for years as the pulse of light moved through and sequentially lit the surrounding gas and dust.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:59:56pm
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Unabogie  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:01:52pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

These people honestly believe the most insane shit I can think of. Trump controlled the DOJ for 4 years and spent the last 2 of his term hunting for anything he could dig up on Joe Biden. How do these dinguses explain why he came up dry? Is Trump just too stupid to find any of this evidence?

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:02:24pm

re: #17 HypnoToad

I want Antares to blow. It’s a similar aged red giant to Betelgeuse, nearly on the opposite side of the sky in Scorpius. It is in a dense region of nebulosity and would provide a stunning lightshow for years as the pulse of light moved through and sequentially lit the surrounding gas and dust.

You might want to check with area locals before doing that…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:05:34pm

Great interview with Julian Lage.

Why Every Guitarist LOVES Julian Lage

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:05:41pm

re: #16 darthstar

That would kind of suck. We launch a satellite that lets us look at light events that took place millions of years ago only to be able to zoom in on a death wave that’s been headed our way since the Maillotin Uprising?

Well, yeah, that’s how light speed works.

There undoubtedly are millions of SNs from countless galaxies in transit for us to see, if we were immortal.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:06:57pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

SO I went out looking and saw this.

Betelgeuse Is Getting Oddly Brighter, Prompting Speculations It Is About to Go Supernova

Luckily it is over 600 light years away.

I have hoped for years that it would finish its life journey on my lifetime. (Or rather, that the light from the cataclysm would arrive here in my lifetime.)

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:06:58pm
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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:07:10pm

Of course, the last visible supernova came along at the perfect “time” in 1604. From 20,000 light years away. Helped Kepler out a lot.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:08:39pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

Essenviews
@essenviews
The woman that Republicans were counting on for “smoking gun evidence” against Biden has “passed away inexplicably” msn.com …

This makes - what - 47 or 48 for Hillary?

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:11:45pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

SO I went out looking and saw this.

Betelgeuse Is Getting Oddly Brighter, Prompting Speculations It Is About to Go Supernova

Luckily it is over 600 light years away.

yeah, but it’s just now getting here…

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:13:18pm

re: #27 Backwoods Sleuth

Why must they use present tense? Arrrggggghhhh!!!!

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:13:50pm

re: #27 Backwoods Sleuth

yeah, but it’s just now getting here…

Fuck it, if nobody else is going to do it…
Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse!

Click to Reveal
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Nerdy Fish  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:14:18pm

re: #29 darthstar

Fuck it, if nobody else is going to do it…
Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse!

[Embedded content]

GAHHHH YOU SAID THE THIIIING

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:14:24pm

re: #28 TarHellion

Why must they use present tense? Arrrggggghhhh!!!!

because it’s a clear and present danger!!111!!!

O_o

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:15:38pm

re: #30 Nerdy Fish

GAHHHH YOU SAID THE THIIIING

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:15:58pm
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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:16:01pm

Going to have to go watch that movie again now…what a fun flick.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:16:43pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

Killary strikes again.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:18:46pm

Amazing record, one of the all time best IMO. Mysterious and moving.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:18:50pm

Mastodon

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:20:14pm

Din Din. Lambie chops. Nom nom nom.

Sparrow grass, and Avacados.

BBIAB.

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:20:37pm

re: #35 Ace Rothstein

Can vividly remember Falwell pushing Clinton Murders video to the old and clueless. My ex’s relatives believed it all.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:20:46pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

It’s been doing this for years.

This was a thing that a couple of years ago made a bunch of headlines…. and then the star slowly faded.

Many speculations as to why the star is doing this. Likely cause is orbiting clouds of gas previously ejected.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:21:55pm

The Clinton Chronicles, a Larry Nichols/Jerry Falwell production.
en.wikipedia.org

The Original Clinton Chronicles

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:21:56pm

re: #39 TarHellion

Can vividly remember Falwell pushing Clinton Murders video to the old and clueless. My ex’s relatives believed it all.

Rush Limbaugh had it on his odious radio show. I was so sold on the lie, I briefly considered the odious Donald Trump over “Killary” before somebody here actually posted the truth behind each of the lies.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:22:40pm

re: #42 Nerdy Fish

Jinx

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:24:21pm

Ukrainians taking out two Iranian Shaheed drones - note how close they both land to the soldiers.

Mastodon

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:25:05pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

SO I went out looking and saw this.

Betelgeuse Is Getting Oddly Brighter, Prompting Speculations It Is About to Go Supernova

Luckily it is over 600 light years away.

I’m just going to point out that it’s not these monster stars like Betelgeuse that are a huge threat to us. We know these stars, we keep an eye on them, they’re generally not close enough right now* to be a problem (Type II). It is, rather, the white dwarf in a tight orbit with another star, to the point where the white dwarf is siphoning off mass from its partner (Type 1a). If the mass of the white dwarf hits around 1.44 masses of the sun, it can hit the Chandrasekhar limit and due to some other actions going on, this can lead to the star exploding. (Wikipedia goes into more detail: en.wikipedia.org .) There are a LOT of these binary combinations, and frankly, it’s entirely possible that one could pop up in our (relatively neighborhood) and cause problems. Again, Wikipedia has a decent brief article on same: en.wikipedia.org

As for Betelgeuse, we don’t know really what stage of burning it is at. I think the assumption is the star has gone through the helium flash and may now be fusing helium to carbon. It is believed this phase takes around 1,000 years before it moves on to neon > oxygen > silicon. The end result is iron. At least in a star, that’s as far as it can go because fusing elements any further takes more energy than is created from fusion. And once the core builds up to around 1.44 solar masses, it’s going to collapse and explode.

Personally, the one thing that has been on my bucket list all my life is being able to see a naked-eye supernova in our own galaxy (so no, SN1987A does not count). But not if it’s too close to earth. I can definitely pass on a Type 1a supernova if that’s the case.

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:25:19pm

re: #42 Nerdy Fish

In other words, our Soros-backed Communists made you break! Bwahahahahahaha!

//s

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:25:37pm

re: #46 TarHellion

In other words, our Soros-backed Communists made you break! Bwahahahahahaha!

//s

The cookies were delicious, what can I say?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:26:25pm
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:28:46pm

re: #28 TarHellion

Why must they use present tense? Arrrggggghhhh!!!!

Is Betelgeuse the star or the light we see? Have you actually seen the star?

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:29:08pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

What is his Golden Parachute from the Saudis?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:30:32pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:30:45pm

re: #49 Belafon

Is Betelgeuse the star or the light we see? Have you actually seen the star?

Dude.

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:32:17pm

re: #49 Belafon

We “see” the Sun as it was 8 minutes ago. Everything in space is in the past.

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:33:33pm

re: #22 austin_blue

Well, yeah, that’s how light speed works.

There undoubtedly are millions of SNs from countless galaxies in transit for us to see, if we were immortal.

That’s why there are all these automated telescopes looking for “transients.” (E.g., Palomar Transient Factory and Zwicky Transient Facility.) It’s not the stars shining night after night that attract attention (except when they dim or get brighter). It’s these galaxies at great distances that get imaged and compared every few months to find supernovae.

Here’s one list of supernovae found just this year in other galaxies, as well as other additional transient objects that a person with a decent telescope (*cough* ex-boyfriend *cough*) might want to look at.

rochesterastronomy.org

Just like comet hunting is a thing for some amateur astronomers, so too is supernova spotting. And why yes, amateur astronomers are still discovering supernovae, like this guy Koichi Itagaki, who has discovered 172 (!) as of last month. Here’s an article about one of his recent discovereies in Scientific American: scientificamerican.com

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:34:34pm

And, of course, in space - no one can hear you scream … unless it is Fuck Trump!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:34:38pm
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HypnoToad  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:34:50pm

re: #45 mmmirele

I’m just going to point out that it’s not these monster stars like Betelgeuse that are a huge threat to us. We know these stars, we keep an eye on them, they’re generally not close enough right now* to be a problem (Type II). It is, rather, the white dwarf in a tight orbit with another star, to the point where the white dwarf is siphoning off mass from its partner (Type 1a). If the mass of the white dwarf hits around 1.44 masses of the sun, it can hit the Chandrasekhar limit and due to some other actions going on, this can lead to the star exploding. (Wikipedia goes into more detail: en.wikipedia.org .) There are a LOT of these binary combinations, and frankly, it’s entirely possible that one could pop up in our (relatively neighborhood) and cause problems. Again, Wikipedia has a decent brief article on same: en.wikipedia.org
-snip-

The closest white dwarf (and it’s just barely under the Chandrasekhar limit) is Sirius B at a mere eight light years away. Fortunately, it’s in a fifty or so year orbit—far enough away from the primary that accretion is out of the question.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:35:35pm

re: #53 TarHellion

We “see” the Sun as it was 8 minutes ago. Everything in space is in the past.

How depressing: I thought everything in space was in the future…

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:39:09pm

re: #58 Jay C

How depressing: I thought everything in space was in the future…

Are the stars we’re heading towards in the past or in the future?

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:42:05pm

re: #59 Belafon

Are the stars we’re heading towards in the past or in the future?

Yes.

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:43:40pm

Honestly, that would be my wish in any after-life. To be able to transcend time and distance in order to view first-hand the wonders of the universe.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:46:03pm

re: #53 TarHellion

We “see” the Sun as it was 8 minutes ago. Everything in space is in the past.

Except for gravity?

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:47:04pm

re: #57 HypnoToad

Yep, I know about Sirius B and knew it was in a wide orbit, so not worried about that.

One thing I didn’t mention is that there are objects we’re just now finding with better telescopes, objects that are really nearby. For example, Luhman 16, which is a brown dwarf pair, two objects really too tiny to actually be called stars because at best, they might be fusing lithium or deuterium, but not hydrogen into helium. They are 6.50 light years away, which makes them the second closest stellar objects after the Alpha Centauri triple system (A, B, Proxima). They were discovered in 2013. And yeah, since their size is measured in masses of Jupiter (A=33, B=28), they’re never going to have a problem with the Chandrasekhar limit.

So yeah, it’s entirely possible there’s some cold, dark, large object creeping around in our solar backyard that we haven’t found yet, because it’s a cold, dark object and space is unbelievably huge. I won’t be surprised if it happens.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:51:22pm

re: #59 Belafon

Are the stars we’re heading towards in the past or in the future?

The stars that we can reach are just starfish on the beach.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:51:54pm

re: #62 BeenHereAwhile

Except for gravity?

There is no gravity. The earth just sucks.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:53:25pm

re: #65 darthstar

There is no gravity. The earth just sucks.

Thanks, Biden.

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HypnoToad  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:54:00pm

re: #63 mmmirele

I’ve always found it fascinating that the closest star to our own solar system (Proxima) is so faint that you need an eight inch telescope and a dark sky to see well.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:54:45pm

re: #66 Ace Rothstein

Thanks, Biden.

I’m Biden my time
cuz that’s the kinda guy I am
There’s no regretin’
When you’re settin’
I’m Biden my time

ETA: the lyrics I posted are from memory and so slighty off, but in research I found this fun stanza:

Bidin’ my time,
That’s the kind of guy I’m,
While other grow dizzy, I’ll keep busy,
Bidin’ my time.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:02:22pm

re: #63 mmmirele

So yeah, it’s entirely possible there’s some cold, dark, large object creeping around in our solar backyard that we haven’t found yet, because it’s a cold, dark object and space is unbelievably huge. I won’t be surprised if it happens.

Like “Planet X”?
That’s theorized to be right in the middle of the Kuiper Belt (I think) and astronomers still figure that actually detecting it will still take years of diligent observation. And luck.

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Captain Ron  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:02:25pm
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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:02:46pm

Just think about the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The forecast was for mostly sunny with a high in the upper 80s. 60 percent chance of scattered meteoroids.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:04:49pm

re: #62 BeenHereAwhile

Except for gravity?

Gravity’s eight minutes late as well. It’s like nothing can arrive on time.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:05:15pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

SO I went out looking and saw this.

Betelgeuse Is Getting Oddly Brighter, Prompting Speculations It Is About to Go Supernova

Luckily it is over 600 light years away.

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:09:57pm

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

But we know that one day, there will be an amazing show. Think about being able to see something as bright as the moon - even during the daytime. And then - poof - gone!

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:10:13pm
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:11:37pm

Meeee aaaand Mrs Mrsdm..Mrsdm Mrsdm……
We got a thing…going on….

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:11:57pm

Happening today

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:13:03pm

Russian jets being assholes. Again.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:13:18pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

Life in prison for being the dumbest fucking person alive.

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:14:15pm

TRANTIFA! Where can you buy their merch?

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:14:56pm

re: #76 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Ohhhh, what a lucky man he was!

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:16:42pm

re: #79 Ace Rothstein

Life in prison for being the dumbest fucking person alive.

He just shops around for anyone to agree with what he wants to do, no matter how bad a source of information that person is. He doesn’t quite just do what he wants. He gets at least one idiot to agree with him first.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:16:47pm

re: #76 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

She’s my sun my moon, my guiding star
My kind of wonderful
That’s what she are
….

Oh yes, I’m in love

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:17:28pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

Duuude.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:19:40pm

re: #53 TarHellion

We “see” the Sun as it was 8 minutes ago. Everything in space is in the past.

The sun could have blown up eight minutes ago and we wouldn’t know it [static]

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:23:30pm

re: #76 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Meeee aaaand Mrs Mrsdm..Mrsdm Mrsdm……
We got a thing…going on….

[Embedded content]

“Same place, same time….”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:24:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:25:18pm

re: #57 HypnoToad

There’s still matter out there at the distance of Sirius B, it just accretes slower.

Since it’s about the distance from Uranus to the Sun, that doesn’t include other objects it could ingest such as comets or asteroids.

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BlueSpotinAL ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:32:23pm

re: #50 TarHellion

What is his Golden Parachute from the Saudis?

He gets to keep his hands.

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:35:08pm

I want a Trantifa TShirt now.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:35:39pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:37:42pm

Hacky framing in that “have you learned your lesson” question from Wolf Blitzer.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:39:24pm

re: #76 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Meeee aaaand Mrs Mrsdm..Mrsdm Mrsdm……
We got a thing…going on….

[Embedded content]

She is lovely. (And, obligatorily) I thought you were taller.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:42:50pm

re: #93 BeachDem

She is lovely. (And, obligatorily) I thought you were taller.

It’s the perspective of him standing in the distance behind his wife, plus the sloped floor you cannot see in the picture.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:43:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:43:55pm
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🔧-wench  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:45:42pm

Mastodon

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:47:15pm

re: #97 🔧-wench

That’s definitely going to split the anti-Fidel Calle Ocho vote.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:48:27pm
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Nerdy Fish  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:50:20pm

re: #99 ckkatz

The bulldog has latched on to his target.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:51:01pm

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:52:18pm

re: #99 ckkatz

Trump felt it, too.

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sizzzzlerz  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:52:42pm

re: #76 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Meeee aaaand Mrs Mrsdm..Mrsdm Mrsdm……
We got a thing…going on….

[Embedded content]

Adapted from Mrs. Jones by Billy Paul, released in 1972, spent 4 weeks at #1. Unfortunately, he was a 1-hit wonder and never had another top 100 song again. Paul died in 2016 at 82.

Now you know the rest of the story.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:53:07pm

re: #93 BeachDem

She is lovely. (And, obligatorily) I thought you were taller.

Mwah!

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EstebanTornado1963  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:53:41pm

re: #97 🔧-wench

This idiot voted for Obama, Hillary and Biden

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:55:04pm
Meeee aaaand Mrs Mrsdm..Mrsdm Mrsdm……
We got a thing…going on….

Your lady is indeed lovely and you both look very happy!

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:57:45pm

re: #93 BeachDem

She is lovely. (And, obligatorily) I thought you were taller.

He is taller. He is just wearing subterrainium shoes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:59:30pm

My computer is whinging it wants to update Windows.

I’m going to take this opportunity to lie down. I’ll catch y’all later.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 14, 2023 • 6:59:44pm

Grand jury votes to indict Marine veteran who held homeless man in fatal chokehold on NYC subway (CNN)

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:01:32pm
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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:01:44pm

re: #97 🔧-wench

He doesn’t want to miss out on the gift machine.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:03:09pm

re: #93 BeachDem

She is lovely. (And, obligatorily) I thought you were taller.

Ps
I was taller

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:03:23pm

re: #95 ckkatz

Fucking A, Bill Gibson is squealing on my homeboy Bruce Sterling.

Oh, my Ga, it’s on now, the great dystopian tech collapse!

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:04:07pm

You first, asshole.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:04:55pm

re: #107 austin_blue

He is taller. He is just wearing subterrainium shoes.

I’m taller in my stocking feet
I wear thick socks

//

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IngisKahn  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:09:01pm

What exactly is a tranti-fascist?

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:11:10pm

re: #109 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Institutions are critical to combat authoritarianism. Including wrt murdering someone on a subway.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:13:41pm

re: #116 IngisKahn

What exactly is a tranti-fascist?

A “Schrödinger’s scapegoat”.

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:13:46pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Fucking A, Bill Gibson is squealing on my homeboy Bruce Sterling.

Oh, my Ga, it’s on now, the great dystopian tech collapse!

By the way, I know both of these guys. Bruce (actually Michael) had a house just south of Hyde Park. He routinely had parties there during SXSW. There were lots and lots of computer geeks.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I were invited because we would talk to people who were on the spectrum and make them welcome. Bill came through twice. A very, very Zen dude. Also, quite the fashion stylist.

Good guy, nice to talk to if you weren’t all “What about the Rastas in Neuromancer?!?!” which I saw a lot. Bill just walked away.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:15:26pm

This is specific in a really creepy way

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:17:09pm
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:17:46pm

How you do it

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:18:28pm

re: #116 IngisKahn

What exactly is a tranti-fascist?

Conservative think tanks continually engineering new toxic viral wordsludge.

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:20:26pm

re: #120 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

This is specific in a really creepy way

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I’m sure Barron has porn & weed hidden in his underwear. NTTAWWT.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:20:49pm

One of Donald Trump’s new attorneys proposed an idea in the fall of 2022: The former president’s team could try to arrange a settlement with the Justice Department,” the Washington Post reports.

“The attorney, Christopher Kise, wanted to quietly approach Justice to see if he could negotiate a settlement that would preclude charges, hoping Attorney General Merrick Garland and the department would want an exit ramp to avoid prosecuting a former president. Kise would hopefully “take the temperature down,” he told others, by promising a professional approach and the return of all documents.”

“But Trump was not interested…

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:21:11pm

re: #63 mmmirele

So yeah, it’s entirely possible there’s some cold, dark, large object creeping around in our solar backyard that we haven’t found yet, because it’s a cold, dark object and space is unbelievably huge. I won’t be surprised if it happens.

Makes me think of the Junji Ito story, Hellstar Remina

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:21:33pm

re: #116 IngisKahn

What exactly is a tranti-fascist?

Given that fascists like PatriotPrayer specifically started shit in Portland by harassing trans folk…it’s a person that has an entirely reasonable desire to be left alone.

“Normalcy” requires a continuous drip of violence and coercion by state and nonstate actors that produces resistance that then “necessitates” cops hammering down on the resisters. It’s the ratchet action of the status quo: allow abuse, repress the abused by presenting it as self-defense, then lock in place that the abuse of power as the rule of law.

Ergo: you fuck with black people and cut them out of society until they form the Black Panthers: you then arrest and assassinate the Black Panthers because “they’ve gone too far.”

Ergo: everything that put the Patriot Act in place. Terrorists from our MENA best buddy kill two buildings and those with power see the opportunity to present panopticism and the militarization of the police as national defense.

Hence the meat of that article: once again, state actors will simply step over the initiating incident to discover “domestic terrorism” amongst people with valid concerns for their safety who are not taken care of by law enforcement.

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:24:40pm

JFC

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:26:50pm

Mr Luce notes that if Trump runs, the election will essentially be a referendum on the rule of law.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:27:43pm

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Dude, I spend so much time saying “if read correctly, conservatives just want to punish weirdos and foreigners as the solution to all things” and the dude just fucking says it.

*sigh*

It’s like that Simpsons bit about superliminal persuasion.

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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:28:26pm

re: #127 The Ghost of a Flea

Given that fascists like PatriotPrayer specifically started shit in Portland by harassing trans folk…it’s a person that has an entirely reasonable desire to be left alone.

“Normalcy” requires a continuous drip of violence and coercion by state and nonstate actors that produces resistance that then “necessitates” cops hammering down on the resisters. It’s the ratchet action of the status quo: allow abuse, repress the abused by presenting it as self-defense, then lock in place that the abuse of power as the rule of law.

Ergo: you fuck with black people and cut them out of society until they form the Black Panthers: you then arrest and assassinate the Black Panthers because “they’ve gone too far.”

Ergo: everything that put the Patriot Act in place. Terrorists from our MENA best buddy kill two buildings and those with power see the opportunity to present panopticism and the militarization of the police as national defense.

Hence the meat of that article: once again, state actors will simply step over the initiating incident to discover “domestic terrorism” amongst people with valid concerns for their safety who are not taken care of by law enforcement.

Is this or is this not appropriate?

tenor.com

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:28:58pm

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

I like our chances.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:30:37pm

The THANK YOU!!! at the end is like a perfect piece of chocolate cake.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:32:31pm

TFG language is gradually training his audience that the word “hoax” means things he doesn’t like that are actually happening.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:36:12pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:37:34pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:40:24pm

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:41:21pm


Northern California Roadside Attraction circa 2005
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:43:38pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:45:03pm
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austin_blue  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:45:06pm

I’m off for the rack.

Have a lovely night. Be nice to each other.

Shame that praying for peace is pointless since there is no active God in the universe.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:47:58pm

re: #76 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Meeee aaaand Mrs Mrsdm..Mrsdm Mrsdm……
We got a thing…going on….

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The missus says you got yourself a keeper! Great pic, btw.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:48:10pm

re: #141 austin_blue

God got caught in the Carbonite.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:48:33pm

re: #141 austin_blue

Shame that praying for peace is pointless since there is no active God in the universe.

Ahh… but some non-Western mystics may point out that one does not need a Canaanite god to pray, that one’s own meditation is part of the universe and so can change the universe.

Just sayin’, for some friends.

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:49:08pm

re: #143 Dave In Austin

God got caught in the Carbonite.

Han Solo is God?!?

///

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:50:48pm

re: #145 TedStriker

Han Solo is God?!?

///

Hmmmm. The question is, are you sure he’s not. 😳😉

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:52:40pm

re: #143 Dave In Austin

God got caught in the Carbonite.

Funny…I was just thinking, as I have about two more weeks until I start officially working for the new corporate overlords and I’m getting paid mostly to sit on my ass and wait, I would watch the Star Wars series in order…I think that means I have to start with the Jar-Jar Binks one and work up from there.

Is there an official list of “chronological” order to the film series?

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:54:29pm

re: #147 darthstar

Oh, jesus…there’s seventeen of these fucking films?
editorial.rottentomatoes.com

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:55:15pm

re: #148 darthstar

Oh, jesus…there’s seventeen of these fucking films?
editorial.rottentomatoes.com

Get to work!

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2023 • 7:57:57pm

re: #147 darthstar

Funny…I was just thinking, as I have about two more weeks until I start officially working for the new corporate overlords and I’m getting paid mostly to sit on my ass and wait, I would watch the Star Wars series in order…I think that means I have to start with the Jar-Jar Binks one and work up from there.

Is there an official list of “chronological” order to the film series?

Of course, playing the “mainline” movies from I to IX is in chronlogical order in-universe; Solo, then Rogue One, slots in between III (Revenge of the Sith) and IV (A New Hope).

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:02:13pm

re: #148 darthstar

Oh, jesus…there’s seventeen of these fucking films?
editorial.rottentomatoes.com

No, that list includes the more recent TV/streaming series too; I guess there’s no love for the Holiday Special (chronologically right after ANH), Droids, Ewoks, or The Battle for Endor (all set between Empire and TFA, IIRC).

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:08:35pm
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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:10:44pm

re: #151 TedStriker

No, that list includes the more recent TV/streaming series too; I guess there’s no love for the Holiday Special (chronologically right after ANH), Droids, Ewoks, or The Battle for Endor (all set between Empire and TFA, IIRC).

Okay…that’s a relief…was worried I might get sucked into the Spiderverse along the way and never come out from the TV again.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:13:35pm

re: #153 darthstar

You could save a lot of time by focusing on the story of how Andor came to join the rebellion. (Better writing than most of the series).

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:14:41pm

re: #154 jaunte

You could save a lot of time by focusing on the story of how Andor came to join the rebellion. (Better writing than most of the series).

I never knew about the Andor show. Will go with the theater releases, skip the cartoons, and keep Andor in the mix.

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:20:18pm

This Masterson dude is good

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:23:16pm

re: #98 jaunte

That’s definitely going to split the anti-Fidel Calle Ocho vote.

Might have to partition off a portion of Versailles.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:26:16pm

re: #152 jaunte

Don’t like the construction of the sentence.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:31:17pm

re: #120 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

This is specific in a really creepy way:

Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski
Eric Trump: “If you get in the way of the Democratic Party .. they will target you, they will come after you and they will try and destroy your life. It’s rape & pillage. They will burn down the street. They will go after your kids - raid Barron’s room, go through his underwear.”

Eric Trump’s delusional fantasies.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:36:26pm

re: #159 BeenHereAwhile

Eric hasn’t tried to explain how the Democrats talked the British golf establishment into blackballing Turnberry from being an acceptable site for the British Open as long as the Trumps own it.

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:39:44pm

yahoo.com

…because Panic Buttons are a perfectly normal thing to have in school classrooms in a supposedly world-leading nation.

This SCOTUS is embarrassingly corrupt and inept. And Texas is just a pariah at this point.

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:48:04pm

re: #155 darthstar

I never knew about the Andor show. Will go with the theater releases, skip the cartoons, and keep Andor in the mix.

After Andor, watch Rogue One, then ANH; Andor is the origin story/prequel for Rogue One (and, frankly, a pretty good SW movie).

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:50:43pm

re: #101 BeachDem

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Video

this memorial plaque is on the corner where my building sits, I see it every time I walk to the grocery store or to Riverside park.

Sometimes, there’s little rocks placed on it (like Jews do for headstones), and little bundles of flowers placed around it.

The Upper West Side doesn’t forget.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:55:16pm

re: #162 TedStriker

After Andor, watch Rogue One, then ANH; Andor is the origin story/prequel for Rogue One (and, frankly, a pretty good SW movie).

So:
Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Andor
Rogue One
ANH/Ep 4
Ep 5
Ep 6
TFA
Last Jedhi
Rise of Skywalker

Can I get my geek card if I do that?

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Egregious Philbin  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:55:30pm

re: #8 silverdolphin

Yeah, it had some brightness dimming last year, but then stabilized, but its doing stuff again. It will blow up, but it could be tomorrow, or in 1000 years or more. (and we would see it 600 years after it actually happened)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2023 • 8:59:28pm

re: #165 Egregious Philbin

Yeah, it had some brightness dimming last year, but then stabilized, but its doing stuff again. It will blow up, but it could be tomorrow, or in 1000 years or more. (and we would see it 600 years later)

dimming last year? isn’t that really 600 years ago that it dimmed? Could it have blown up years ago and we will see the remnants in a few years during our lifetime?

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:07:59pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Fucking A, Bill Gibson is squealing on my homeboy Bruce Sterling.

Oh, my Ga, it’s on now, the great dystopian tech collapse!

They did have a pretty good and influential book together.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:08:10pm

re: #161 Florida Panhandler

yahoo.com

…because Panic Buttons are a perfectly normal thing to have in school classrooms in a supposedly world-leading nation.

This SCOTUS is embarrassingly corrupt and inept. And Texas is just a pariah at this point.

IOW, install a button that would have done fuck-all in Uvalde because the emergency services of multiple agencies were there…and they were too damned scared to enter the building because they might get shot.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:10:42pm

re: #129 ckkatz

Mr Luce notes that if Trump runs, the election will essentially be a referendum on the rule of law.

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Which was what 2020 was about.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:13:49pm

re: #147 darthstar

Funny…I was just thinking, as I have about two more weeks until I start officially working for the new corporate overlords and I’m getting paid mostly to sit on my ass and wait, I would watch the Star Wars series in order…I think that means I have to start with the Jar-Jar Binks one and work up from there.

Is there an official list of “chronological” order to the film series?

There’s several “chronological” orders.

The order in which the stories take place, and/or the order in which the films were released. And do you include the prequels and related TV series?

Hulu has some suggestions:

press.hulu.com

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:13:53pm

re: #140 ckkatz

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I see the lawsuits coming pretty fast on that one.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:20:10pm

re: #91 jaunte

Adam Schiff tells the truth and the Bearded Leslie who scored -4600 on Jeopardy frowns when Adam smacks him down.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:27:33pm

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:27:50pm

re: #69 Jay C

Like “Planet X”?
That’s theorized to be right in the middle of the Kuiper Belt (I think) and astronomers still figure that actually detecting it will still take years of diligent observation. And luck.

Yes, this is what I was referring to. If “Planet X” is out there, it’s going to take a very long time to find it, because the distances involved are vast, and with more distance, the volumes of space needing to be searched expand exponentially. This isn’t like Clyde Tombaugh finding Pluto—taking pictures overnight, developing them, and then putting them in the Lowell Observatory’s blink comparator (a fancy name for a device that allowed for quick views of a negative) to find just that one object moving against the starry background. Which is why to me Pluto is still a planet. Also, because I sat at Tombaugh’s blink comparator in Flagstaff before it got hauled away to the Smithsonian some years ago. That shiz is hard to do and he did it before computers.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:28:02pm

re: #171 Belafon

I see the lawsuits coming pretty fast on that one.

Ya think? You can’t just single out a vendor as the exception to a rule that impacts an industry like the auto industry…Jesus.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:29:49pm

re: #174 mmmirele

Yes, this is what I was referring to. If “Planet X” is out there, it’s going to take a very long time to find it, because the distances involved are vast, and with more distance, the volumes of space needing to be searched expand exponentially. This isn’t like Clyde Tombaugh finding Pluto—taking pictures overnight, developing them, and then putting them in the Lowell Observatory’s blink comparator (a fancy name for a device that allowed for quick views of a negative) to find just that one object moving against the starry background. Which is why to me Pluto is still a planet. Also, because I sat at Tombaugh’s blink comparator in Flagstaff before it got hauled away to the Smithsonian some years ago. That shiz is hard to do and he did it before computers.

Pitt’s Allegheny Observatory has a blink comparator and Just seeing it in action made me think of how much stamina would be needed to complete a comparison of two plates!

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:34:19pm

A clip showing the actual blink comparator Tombaugh used to discover Pluto. Also look at the other amazing artifacts there!

The Pluto Blink Comparator at Lowell Observatory | Clyde Tombaugh | Flagstaff, Arizona Full HD Video

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:46:05pm

“Life was better 50 years ago” Thread -

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 9:48:07pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:00:47pm

re: #178 ckkatz

“Life was better 50 years ago” Thread -

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Who says life was “better 50 years ago”? Two groups of people: People who were kids 50 years ago and people who spent their childhoods being conned into believing things were better 50 years ago.

Who doesn’t? Anybody who’s ever opened a history book.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:07:20pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

Who says life was “better 50 years ago”? Two groups of people: People who were kids 50 years ago and people who spent their childhoods being conned into believing things were better 50 years ago.

Who doesn’t? Anybody who’s ever opened a history book.

Very true.

What’s amusing about the thread is there are tweets containing articles that variously date from 2023 back to 1890.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:08:27pm
re: #122 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

How you do it

So I went and checked. Under Trump 80% said they lived paycheck to paycheck. So, 20% fewer are living paycheck to paycheck under Biden. Think what it would be if the minimum wage was where it was supposed to be?

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:10:21pm

re: #181 ckkatz

Very true.

What’s amusing about the thread is there are tweets containing articles that variously date from 2023 back to 1890.

What’s more telling is the wording of the question, namely “people like you.” That’s so open to interpretation that it’s no wonder that the number is so high.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:11:22pm

Larry Summers wrong? I’m shocked (not).

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:17:29pm

re: #184 ckkatz

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All we heard this time last year was about apocalyptic inflation, oil prices through the roof, and the coming recession that would wipe out tens of thousands of jobs just in time for the midterms.

And then it never happened…but neither have admissions that the predictions were wrong.

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IngisKahn  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:20:48pm

The correct order:

Star Wars: A New Hope
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
Star Wars: The Clone Wars (the animated movie)
Star Wars: The Clone Wars (the animated series)
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars: The Bad Batch
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Solo: A Star Wars Story
Star Wars Rebels animated series
Andor season 1
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi
The Mandalorian season 1
The Mandalorian season 2
The Book of Boba Fett
The Mandalorian season 3
Star Wars Resistance season 1
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Star Wars Resistance season 2
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Basically, start with 4 and 5 then watch the rest.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:24:33pm

re: #186 IngisKahn

The correct order:

Star Wars: A New Hope
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
Star Wars: The Clone Wars (the animated movie)
Star Wars: The Clone Wars (the animated series)
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars: The Bad Batch
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Solo: A Star Wars Story
Star Wars Rebels animated series
Andor season 1
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi
The Mandalorian season 1
The Mandalorian season 2
The Book of Boba Fett
The Mandalorian season 3
Star Wars Resistance season 1
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Star Wars Resistance season 2
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Basically, start with 4 and 5 then watch the rest.

“Phantom Menace”? I don’t remember that film. That some indie project that George was working on?

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IngisKahn  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:25:11pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

I heard it’s a really good racing movie.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:27:23pm

re: #188 IngisKahn

I heard it’s a really good racing movie.

Nope. NOPE! If we don’t acknowledge it, it never happened. Just like how they never made any sequels to Highlander or The Matrix.

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IngisKahn  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:28:12pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

If they made Jarjar the ultimate Sith lord it would have all been worth it.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:28:30pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:37:03pm

re: #191 Belafon

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Show called Sightings that was basically Fox’s version of Unsolved Mysteries as part of TV’s sudden effort in the late-80s/early-90s to revive shows about the paranormal and extraterrestrial. The only difference was Fox’s offering had no missing persons stories unless there was a paranormal element they could hype up.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:37:22pm

re: #191 Belafon

What TV show? The Prisoner for one. Hell, I’m not sure what it was.

The Prisoner ~ Opening Sequence

My Favorite Doll - I had such an infatuation with Julie Newmar

Classic TV Theme: My Living Doll

Hogan’s Heroes - a comedy about Nazis?

Klink Destroys Burkhalter’s House in Final Scene of Hogan’s Heroes Series - 1971

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Captain Ron  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:56:15pm

re: #176 Joe Bacon ✅

Pitt’s Allegheny Observatory has a blink comparator and Just seeing it in action made me think of how much stamina would be needed to complete a comparison of two plates!

good use for AI.

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Captain Ron  Jun 14, 2023 • 10:57:36pm

re: #178 ckkatz

“Life was better 50 years ago” Thread -

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I’m pretty sure this house’s plumbing was much better 50 years ago.

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Captain Ron  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:06:37pm

re: #193 silverdolphin

What TV show? The Prisoner for one. Hell, I’m not sure what it was.

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I had such a crush on My Living Doll. I was ~6 when I watched it.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:07:41pm

re: #191 Belafon

What TV show did I really love that the current generation has no knowledge of?

Oh I have several

Howard Duff and Ida Lupino in Mr Adams & Eve—they’re a pair of movie stars who have lost all touch with reality

Boris Karloff hosted and starred in several episodes the horror anthology Thriller. Google The Incredible Doctor Markesen to see Boris give his greatest performance on TV.

David Niven, Charles Boyer and Gig Young starred in The Rogues—Modern day Robin Hoods who came to the aid of people who were taken advantage of by crooks.

It’s A Man’s World—Ted Bessell, Glenn Corbett and Randy Boone as brothers trying to keep their family together after their parents died. They lost their house and wound up living on a riverboat docked in an Ohio town.

The Law and Mr Jones—James Whitmore as an idealistic lawyer who came to the aid of oppressed people.

Trials of O’Brien—Peter Falk’s first TV series where he played a lawyer who did anything to help his clients

One Step Beyond—This show really scared me because the episodes were based on documented cases where paranormal events happened.

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Captain Ron  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:08:35pm

re: #191 Belafon

Topper.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:10:46pm

re: #193 silverdolphin

Yes I had a crush on Julie Newmar as Rhoda the Robot. 7 years old and I wanted a Rhoda of my very own…

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:13:57pm

This is the episode of One Step Beyond that really creeped me out.

“The Clown” with Mickey Shaugnessey and a very young Yvette Mimieux

One Step Beyond (TV-1960) THE CLOWN S2E27

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:22:33pm

re: #177 Joe Bacon ✅

A clip showing the actual blink comparator Tombaugh used to discover Pluto. Also look at the other amazing artifacts there!

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Wow, when I went (and this was in the later 1990s) that blink comparator was just there, available for anyone to sit at and actually SEE how Tombaugh did it. They’ve spiffied up the place considerably.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:39:12pm

re: #193 silverdolphin

What TV show? The Prisoner for one. Hell, I’m not sure what it was.

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Kind of a rip-off of Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:40:17pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:19:58am

So apparently Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch is the person who told Trump what he wanted to hear, that he had the right to keep any highly classified government documents that he wanted, even while Trump’s lawyers tried to convince him to make a deal with the government to return them. Thanks Tom!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:29:44am

re: #193 silverdolphin

The Prisoner is such an odd show. I’ve never watched all the episodes, I got sort of frustrated with it half way through.

Ahead of its time in quirkiness and social commentary, but I think the series lacked a plot that I could find.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:35:13am

re: #191 Belafon

Ahhh… nostalgia time.

For me as a youngster it was :
1) Star Trek TOS;
2) Walt Disney’s Sunday show;
3) Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom.

The Outer Limits when I could get it but my local TV stations didn’t run it.

Wrasslin’ with the local NWA promoter.

The original Jeopardy!

And Laugh-In.

I also remember watching The Flintstones in their original run, as well as The Jetsons.

And of course Gilligan’s Island.

Today’s youth will recognize most of those shows because they’ve been “franchised” and recycled.

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silverdolphin  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:56:10am

Biden, Putin, and Sun Tzu

“Biden is the most successful Commander in Chief of the last century. Why? Because he is destroying one of our primary advisories without involving our military or nation in actual battle.”

I say it is arguably in the affirmative.. Breaking Russia and solidifying NATO while getting us out of our longest war, without major loss of US soldiers. Creating and supporting many well paying jobs focussed on replacing material used by Ukraine (I’m sometimes a Military Keynseian - essentially a massive injection of money into the economy). Thus 200,000,000 rounds of ammo have to be replaced. Or the 100,000 rounds of 125 mm tank ammunition. Not to mention the high tech stuff. It creates jobs amd a lot of that money stays here in the economy. (Yes, I’d prefer other ays but Alabam, Miss., GA, CA essentially has a ton of well paying engineering jobs because of this.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:56:11am

My Internet service has been restored, you poor devils.

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silverdolphin  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:57:29am

re: #196 Captain Ron

I had such a crush on My Living Doll. I was ~6 when I watched it.

She was my favorite Catwoman on The Batman Show. She was perfect.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:02:45am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:06:42am

re: #206 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ahhh… nostalgia time.

For me as a youngster it was :
1) Star Trek TOS;
2) Walt Disney’s Sunday show;
3) Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom.

The Outer Limits when I could get it but my local TV stations didn’t run it.

Wrasslin’ with the local NWA promoter.

The original Jeopardy!

And Laugh-In.

I also remember watching The Flintstones in their original run, as well as The Jetsons.

And of course Gilligan’s Island.

Today’s youth will recognize most of those shows because they’ve been “franchised” and recycled.

I watched most of those in my misspent youth. Also watched a variety of scifi shows of varying quality. The original Battlestar Galactica, there was a Planet of the Apes tv series, the Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman, The Hulk, The Land of the Giants. Watched a lot of sit-coms, corny stuff from the sixties like the Beverly Hillbillies, Gilligan’s Island, Green Acres and Petticoat Junction, and 70s shows such as All in the Family and its spin-offs, Happy Days and Barney Miller, cop and detective shows like Mannix, Columbo and Hawaii 5-0, and lots of variety and comedy sketch shows like Laugh-In, Carol Burnett, Flip Wilson and Sonny and Cher. As Archie would say, those were the days!

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silverdolphin  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:06:51am

re: #205 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Prisoner is such an odd show. I’ve never watched all the episodes, I got sort of frustrated with it half way through.

Ahead of its time in quirkiness and social commentary, but I think the series lacked a plot that I could find.

I think its entire plot could be summarized in a line from the intro.

Number Six: Where am I?
Number Two (not identified as yet): In the village.
Six: What do you want?
Two: Information.
Six: Whose side are you on?
Two: That would be telling. We want information…information… information!!!
Six: You won’t get it!
Two: By hook or by crook, we will.
Six: Who are you?
Two: The new Number Two.
Six: Who is Number One?
Two: You are Number Six.
Six (running on the Village’s beach): I am not a number; I am a free man!!!
Two: [Laughter]

Now simply add a comma and it becomes clearer, in an existential kind of way.

Six: Who are you?
Two: The new Number Two.
Six: Who is Number One?
Two: You are, Number Six.

It is a self-referential solipsistic series of episodes examining self-discovery that eventually ends with its beginning. The ultimate rebel finds that he is rebelling against himself, and can therefore never fully escaoe.He is his own prisoner.

Or something like that.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:21:31am

re: #204 No Malarkey!

So apparently Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch is the person who told Trump what he wanted to hear, that he had the right to keep any highly classified government documents that he wanted, even while Trump’s lawyers tried to convince him to make a deal with the government to return them. Thanks Tom!

That’s every Trump scandal in a nutshell:

1) Trump wants to do X
2) Trump’s lawyers tell him X is insanely illegal
3) Drunken dipshit comes along, tells Trump X is not only totally legal but downright patriotic
4) Trump does X with utter glee, gets caught
5) The lawyers that haven’t bailed or drunk themselves into comas are left trying to translate drunken dipshit’s ramblings into legal arguments
6) Trump torches what little credibility they have left by basically admitting he did X and there’s nothing investigators can do about it
7) Lawyers still left start looking for the exits, even if it means jumping from the top of Trump Tower

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steve_davis  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:22:34am

re: #205 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Prisoner is such an odd show. I’ve never watched all the episodes, I got sort of frustrated with it half way through.

Ahead of its time in quirkiness and social commentary, but I think the series lacked a plot that I could find.

The plot was that he resigned for reasons that society couldn’t grasp and that he refused to articulate; hence, he was taken to the Village where various attempts were made to get him to explain. He couldn’t explain it because his character was Everyman, which means he embodied all of us and our collective reasons for dropping out of the various societies we inhabited previously, all of which offered order and structure but no actual meaning, short of a kind of perpetual grift.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:22:44am

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My Internet service has been restored, you poor devils.

Fuck!

Er, I mean, welcome back.

///

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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:33:51am

re: #214 steve_davis

The plot was that he resigned for reasons that society couldn’t grasp and that he refused to articulate; hence, he was taken to the Village where various attempts were made to get him to explain. He couldn’t explain it because his character was Everyman, which means he embodied all of us and our collective reasons for dropping out of the various societies we inhabited previously, all of which offered order and structure but no actual meaning, short of a kind of perpetual grift.

IMHO, the only real meaning available to us in our lives is to love and be loved, and to do what little we can to make the world a slightly better place. Everyone trying to sell you some higher meaning by serving a race or country or god is running a grift.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:38:42am

re: #211 No Malarkey!

Yes, a lot of classic TV from the ‘60’s and ‘70’s.

In those days the sparsity of networks allowed the really good shows to be watched by tens of millions of people on each episode.

Today a show is considered a success if they can get over a million on cable, or a rating over .25.

In the old days a so-so show would do a rating 10x that, and the best shows 40x that.

So today the audience and networks have been watered down, so we get reality shows coming out of our ears.

And a lot of sports. B-tier specialty sports.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:46:17am

re: #217 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yes, a lot of classic TV from the ‘60’s and ‘70’s.

In those days the sparsity of networks allowed the really good shows to be watched by tens of millions of people on each episode.

Today a show is considered a success if they can get over a million on cable, or a rating over .25.

In the old days a so-so show would do a rating 10x that, and the best shows 40x that.

So today the audience and networks have been watered down, so we get reality shows coming out of our ears.

And a lot of sports. B-tier specialty sports.

I bought the MLB package on Prime, so I’m watching a lot of baseball this summer following the players on my fantasy team. I watch very little reality trash, but I do enjoy the cooking competition shows; they involve people people using actual skills to make beautiful and delicious things!

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:55:14am

re: #218 No Malarkey!

I bought the MLB package on Prime, so I’m watching a lot of baseball this summer following the players on my fantasy team. I watch very little reality trash, but I do enjoy the cooking competition shows; they involve people people using actual skills to make beautiful and delicious things!

Tim Gunn explained why Project Runway is better than any of the cooking competition shows.

“You can’t smell the food. You can’t taste the food. You can’t stick a fork in it and check the texture. How are you supposed to decide if a particular judge is worth listening to, how do you place a value on any of the creations?

But Runway, it’s just about what it looks like. And you have as good a view as the experts.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:56:24am

Libertarians affirming they don’t want to live in a society.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 2:04:18am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Libertarians affirming they don’t want to live in a society.

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silverdolphin  Jun 15, 2023 • 2:23:14am

re: #218 No Malarkey!

I bought the MLB package on Prime, so I’m watching a lot of baseball this summer following the players on my fantasy team. I watch very little reality trash, but I do enjoy the cooking competition shows; they involve people people using actual skills to make beautiful and delicious things!

I’ve been enjoying the MLS on Apple TV+ by buying a Season Pass. Every game and no blackouts. Interesting experiment that may pay off big with Messi coming to the league. I cut the network/cable cord almost 2 years ago ad have not looked back.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 2:34:08am

Reddit’s CEO may be a douchecanoe and liar, but he correctly guessed that the “blackout” from the most popular subreddits would end. You can’t stay popular if you are inaccessible.

Reddit has offered an olive branch of sorts: One of the complaints of its native platform is it is inaccessible for disabled people. As such, developers over the years have designed accessibility applications to get around that problem. Douche says he will allow accessibility applications to continue without paying their proposed outrageous fee for their API.

Viewer drove 700 miles to F streamers house and burnt down her car, the comments blame her for being an egirl (r/NotHowGirlsWork)

“F” is Faceplant.

First comment:

That’s horrific. Whenever women say “this is why we’re scared” these fucks have the audacity to say “not all men” really? Well, a good percentage of you, at least. 😕

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 2:36:40am

re: #209 silverdolphin

She was my favorite Catwoman on The Batman Show. She was perfect.

What an opportunity missed:

“Purrrrrfect”

After all, she woulda done it

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 2:49:02am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Libertarians affirming they don’t want to live in a society.

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Ok there’s no ” right” to it. So?

Explain how promote the general welfare is right there in the preamble. Sounds kinda important up front and all. It’s even before the gunz.

And you didn’t address regular pharma.

Or an actual foreseeable future risk

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piratedan  Jun 15, 2023 • 3:10:07am

re: #191 Belafon

hmmmm, well I was a strange kid growing up…..

The Avengers - the biggest mystery was where were all the British people in every episode…. closely followed by a dream job of being the guy who helped Dianna Rigg get into the odd latex outfit…..

Get Smart, The Man From UNCLE and Mission Impossible. The original Outer Limits and Twilight Zones. In the 70’s I was rather fond of a show called SEARCH and a quirky SF Comedy in Quark.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2023 • 3:15:46am

re: #225 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

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Ok there’s no ” right” to it. So?

Explain how promote the general welfare is right there in the preamble. Sounds kinda important up front and all. It’s even before the gunz.

And you didn’t address regular pharma.

Or an actual foreseeable future risk

Modern libertarians are just Republicans who smoke weed. They couldn’t give a fuck less about the general welfare, they think selfishness should be a national policy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 3:17:38am

Looks like China’s economy is struggling:

China’s private sector, the biggest source of jobs, was still struggling last month despite Beijing’s push for a post-coronavirus recovery, partly explaining the record-high youth unemployment and calls for more action to boost investor confidence.

The weakness of both industrial output and investment from the private sector, which employs more than 80 per cent of urban workforce, stood out among the across-the-board slowing of economic activities in May, according to data released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) on Thursday.

scmp.com

It certainly doesn’t help matters that Xi has alienated Western businesses with his tactics of bullying. Now, some of those businesses have closed their doors, and a good many others are having serious second thoughts about investing in the PRC and are instead building factories in countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, etc.

This is very bad news for well-educated Chinese graduates looking for a career. They could end up leaving China for greener pastures, destinations such as the USA or the EU or Canada, thus creating a brain drain scenario that bodes ill for China’s future, especially when we factor in their shrinking - and simultaneously aging - demographics.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 3:19:47am

re: #226 piratedan

In the 70’s I was rather fond of a show called SEARCH and a quirky SF Comedy in Quark.

Did you mean In Search Of… It featured Leonard Nimoy.

I definitely remember Quark. I also remember that it sure didn’t last that long, either. Of course, I also remember the debacle that was Supertrain. 😄

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 3:48:05am

Women’s College World Series winners University of Oklahoma players (four) speak in an NCAA tournament interview. All four speak to living a Christlike life is the key to glorify God through softball. (4:33)

Watch the VIRAL Moment College Softball Players Give Moving Faith-Based Answer to ESPN Reporter

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 3:49:57am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

On top of that, the coach also says to the interview that the answer to everything is Jesus Christ. (She is a state employee.)

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 15, 2023 • 4:07:22am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 4:14:02am

In the category Religious Superstition:

No 666 to Hel: Polish bus route drops ‘devil’s number’ after Christian protests (The Guardian, June 14, 2023)

Christians made the same objections in the United States, causing US Route 666 (Ariz., NMex., Colo., Utah) to be renamed after religious protests. The highway officially ceased to exist on May 31, 2003. The dedication of the newly numbered highway on July 3 included the State of New Mexico hiring a Navajo medicine man to remove the curse of the number from the highway, at state taxpayer expense.

US-666 was part of the original US Highway network, correctly numbered in the grid as a spur of US-66 in Arizona. It is now numbered US-491, as a spur of US-191 in Utah.

There will be no more going to Hel on bus 666.

The bus to the town of Hel on Poland’s Baltic coast has long been popular with tourists. But some Christian conservatives have protested against the use of a number signifying the devil on a bus leading to a place that sounds like the word “hell” in English.

The local bus operator, PKS Gdynia, announced this week that bus 666 would no longer run to Hel. It said it would run the line under the number 669 from 24 June.

Local media said the bus company had acted under pressure from Christian groups that had pushed for the change, but was already thinking of returning to the old number amid a public outcry.

fronda.pl, a conservative Catholic website, called for a change in 2018, declaring that some people thought it was “an innocent joke” but it was “hard not to consider it a malicious inspiration”.

It conceded that Hel, a long verdant peninsula with white sandy borders popular with holidaymakers, was not actually an underworld occupied the departed, but said it would give credence to the “horror of soul death” and make people less confident of the afterlife. The Polish word for hell is piekło.

Employees of PKS Gdynia informed passengers about the change in an update about the timetable. Without elaborating, they announced: “This year, we’re turning the last 6 upside down!” on social media.

The route number isn’t the only pun in Polish transport. A circular tram line in Wrocław has been named “zero” for decades.

The local news portal trojmiasto.pl said the line had operated under the number 666 since 2006, first as a local joke, before attracting riders from across Poland and beyond. Some people rode the bus simply to say they had taken the 666 bus to Hel, Polish media reported.

Fronda lamented the fact that many Polish journalists, even Catholic ones, took pleasure in the joke.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 4:19:12am

re: #225 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Ok there’s no ” right” to it. So?

Explain how promote the general welfare is right there in the preamble. Sounds kinda important up front and all. It’s even before the gunz.

And you didn’t address regular pharma.

Or an actual foreseeable future risk

The Preamble is just a flowery introduction with no real meaning in the law, kind of like how a well-regulated militia in the II Amendment is just an introductory clause to the real part which says you can’t be restricted from owning suitcase nukes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 4:32:41am

Some scary drives.

Crossing the 197 most spectacular bridges in the world (Dangerous Roads, bridges in the article are pictured)

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 4:33:48am

Man, I am slow so far this week.

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 4:41:46am

re: #204 No Malarkey!

So apparently Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch is the person who told Trump what he wanted to hear, that he had the right to keep any highly classified government documents that he wanted, even while Trump’s lawyers tried to convince him to make a deal with the government to return them. Thanks Tom!

It is truly remarkable that Trump is such an abject egotistical moron that he listened to some random right-wing blogger, a man with literally no legal experience whatsoever (despite being the head of a blog labeled “Judicial Watch”), over the advice of the lawyers he ostensibly paid to give him good advice. I think the life lessons we can learn from this saga are: If you have lawyers, listen to them, and for the love of God, don’t lie to them.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:10:10am

Tom Fitton? A guy with precisely zero legal experience tells Trump not to comply with multiple federal laws and Trump listens to Fitton instead of Trump’s expensive lawyers?

Well, that’s the entirety of Trumpworld in a few dozen words.

Trump listens to only those who tell him what he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear. Trump refuses to do anything that doesn’t fit his preconceived worldview. He never wanted to comply with federal laws, and in the process broke a few dozen more laws - all of which are felonies that would result in anyone else being behind bars pending trial.

Trump is a craven criminal and he’s still fundraising off the indictments, despite claims of being a billionaire. Why would a billionaire need to raise money? Because he never wants to spend a dime of his own, and instead gets others to pay for his lifestyle. It’s always been this way, and he has a superpower of grifting and conning people into believing that Trump’s the one being wronged, instead of his supporters being wronged by Trump.

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:19:28am

Good morning, GOP up to the usual plan:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:28:03am

re: #213 Targetpractice

That’s every Trump scandal in a nutshell:

1) Trump wants to do X
2) Trump’s lawyers tell him X is insanely illegal
3) Drunken dipshit comes along, tells Trump X is not only totally legal but downright patriotic
4) Trump does X with utter glee, gets caught
5) The lawyers that haven’t bailed or drunk themselves into comas are left trying to translate drunken dipshit’s ramblings into legal arguments
6) Trump torches what little credibility they have left by basically admitting he did X and there’s nothing investigators can do about it
7) Lawyers still left start looking for the exits, even if it means jumping from the top of Trump Tower

8) Lawyers that aid and abet Trump efforts find themselves prosecuted.
9) Lawyers that work for Trump see crime-fraud exceptions used to pierce attorney client privilege to investigate ongoing crimes and searching for still others because of Trump’s known history of using lawyers to commit felonies.
10) Trump is known to withhold payment and to claim that their work was insufficient but when sued over nonpayment admits the work was sufficient.
11) High profile lawyers and law firms refuse to work for Trump knowing 1-10 are a thing.

Re: 11) Any other former President or VP would have access to the best law firms in the nation. We’ve seen that with Clinton, Gore, GWB, and others who need legal representation in any number of cases. They’re able to get former solicitor generals and major firms like Ted Olsen and David Boies.

Trump? He got some rando real estate lawyer (Habba) because she said what Trump wanted to hear and looked pretty on tv while saying it. He can’t find admitted experienced attorney in Florida to handle his espionage case, because no one is willing to burn their reputation to defend Trump - think about that for a moment. In any other scenario, a lawyer would benefit immensely from the privilege of representing a former president, but here Trump’s burned all of that because of his known behavior as an awful client, a liar, and conman to even his own lawyers.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:28:42am

re: #239 Thanos

Good morning, GOP up to the usual plan:
littlegreenfootballs.com

It never went away. It was always the GOP plan, and they’re hoping to slash and burn the safety net to get more tax cuts for millionaires like Trump.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:31:05am

re: #155 darthstar

Andor is the best of all the Star Wars series. Perhaps even one of the best out of everything. It’s just great. Period. Stellan Skarsgård Is brilliant.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:33:11am

VA outperforms private sector, study finds:

A nationwide Medicare survey released Wednesday found that veterans rated Veterans Affairs hospitals higher than private health care facilities in all 10 categories of patient satisfaction.

The VA takes care of about 9 million veterans at 1,255 facilities — the nation’s largest integrated health care system. Despite many widely publicized scandals, VA health care has been consistently rated as competitive with private care in dozens of peer-reviewed articles.

“I strongly believe that the VA is the best option for veteran care. Study after study shows that quality and patient safety is at least as good if not better than our private sector counterparts,” said Dr. Shereef Elnahal, VA undersecretary for health.

This most recent survey, known as HCAHPS (Hospital Consumer Assessment of Healthcare Providers and Systems), showed that the VA beat out private facilities in all categories surveyed, such as patient satisfaction, hospital cleanliness and communication with nurses and doctors.

“This offers among the first opportunities to directly compare us with our private sector counterparts, and we’re really happy with the results but we won’t be content until 100% of hospitals are pinging in the right ratings,” Elnahal told NPR.

Favorably comparing with the private sector is important for the VA, because Congress has expanded the VA’s use of private care as an option when veterans have to wait too long or travel too far for a VA appointment. Private care is much more expensive for the VA.

Republicans in Congress, who generally support greater use of private care, have even accused the VA of obstructing it. Most recently, House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs Chairman Mike Bost wrote to VA Secretary Denis McDonough about what he called his “complete frustration with the Veterans Health Administration’s lack of timely action to provide community care to veterans that … are in dire need of timely care.”

“I hope you share my frustration. These roadblocks do not serve veterans well and we must do better,” Bost wrote.

nhpr.org

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jeffreyw  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:35:00am

First Tomato!

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:39:42am
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Belafon  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:44:47am

re: #245 lawhawk

Which was a popular computer game in the 80s.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:50:47am

Prosecutors withdraw a number of charges against SBF. This is due to how extradition works, and the rules don’t allow additional charges to be brought in the manner that prosecutors did.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2023 • 5:58:49am

GMA had a story about a 17 year old who committed suicide after a Nigerian man attempted to blackmail him by first posing as a teen girl online to get a sexually explicit pictures of the kid and then threatening to release them unless the kid paid money. When the kid told the guy, Samuel Ogoshi, that he was going to kill himself, the guy said “Do it.” And he did.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:08:01am

re: #135 Dave In Austin

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TarHellion  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:22:16am

Eliminated a lot of possibilities after guess 2, so able to make the birb.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:32:07am

re: #242 GlutenFreeJesus

Andor is the best of all the Star Wars series. Perhaps even one of the best out of everything. It’s just great. Period. Stellan Skarsgård Is brilliant.

Andor is pretty much the finest media to come of the Star Wars franchise.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:33:06am

It’s 75F here and we have light fog:

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:33:38am

ROTFLMAO.

The Catholic Church in Kansas City used the wrong wine… and broke the religion

The result of the error is that “all Masses celebrated were invalid,” said the Archbishop of Kansas City

friendlyatheist.substack.com

Did they use Thunderbird or Boone’s Farm?

I’m sure they didn’t use Mogen David or Manischewitz!

The Catholic Church requires all wine used for communion—which they claim is the literal blood of Christ after it has been consecrated—to be made from grapes without any additives. That means no additional flavoring or sugar or alcohol. There are literally lists of local wineries that produce acceptable wines that Catholic priests can use… as well as warning to priests that some brands might claim their wines are “sacramental” even though they’re not. (It’s a “marketing strategy” akin to labeling something “organic,” according to the Diocese of St. Petersburg in Florida.)

The wine that was discovered in the Kansas City Archdiocese was apparently the impure kind. It’s the difference between drinking freshly squeezed orange juice and a tastier product that’s made from “15% juice.”

In a saner world, this would be acknowledged as an unintentional mistake that doesn’t really matter because it’s all symbolic anyway.

But this is the Catholic Church we’re talking about, so this mistake is a grave error of the highest order. The Archbishop said the result of using that impure wine was that “all Masses celebrated [with it] were invalid.”

We have some idea of the slippery slope logic here because a similar mistake occurred a few years ago when Father Matthew Hood, a priest from Detroit, found video evidence that he was never truly baptized because his priest used the phrase “We baptize” instead of “I baptize” when performing the ritual on him, and therefore, it didn’t count.

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:33:39am

Find yourself a co-defendant who dresses you.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:33:47am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:36:13am

re: #254 darthstar

Find yourself a co-defendant who dresses you.

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Total devotion. He would go to prison for Trump, not that he’ll need to with Judge Cannon presiding at his trial.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:38:12am

re: #178 ckkatz

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No Malarkey!  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:39:49am

re: #253 Joe Bacon ✅

ROTFLMAO.

The Catholic Church in Kansas City used the wrong wine… and broke the religion

The result of the error is that “all Masses celebrated were invalid,” said the Archbishop of Kansas City

friendlyatheist.substack.com

Did they use Thunderbird or Boone’s Farm?

I’m sure they didn’t use Mogen David or Manischewitz!

The Catholic Church requires all wine used for communion—which they claim is the literal blood of Christ after it has been consecrated—to be made from grapes without any additives. That means no additional flavoring or sugar or alcohol. There are literally lists of local wineries that produce acceptable wines that Catholic priests can use… as well as warning to priests that some brands might claim their wines are “sacramental” even though they’re not. (It’s a “marketing strategy” akin to labeling something “organic,” according to the Diocese of St. Petersburg in Florida.)

The wine that was discovered in the Kansas City Archdiocese was apparently the impure kind. It’s the difference between drinking freshly squeezed orange juice and a tastier product that’s made from “15% juice.”

In a saner world, this would be acknowledged as an unintentional mistake that doesn’t really matter because it’s all symbolic anyway.

But this is the Catholic Church we’re talking about, so this mistake is a grave error of the highest order. The Archbishop said the result of using that impure wine was that “all Masses celebrated [with it] were invalid.”

We have some idea of the slippery slope logic here because a similar mistake occurred a few years ago when Father Matthew Hood, a priest from Detroit, found video evidence that he was never truly baptized because his priest used the phrase “We baptize” instead of “I baptize” when performing the ritual on him, and therefore, it didn’t count.

I wonder what it means for a mass to be invalid, do the parishoners who died without getting a final, valid mass go to Purgatory instead of Heaven? All because there was an additive in the wine?

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:39:59am

re: #237 Nerdy Fish

It is truly remarkable that Trump is such an abject egotistical moron that he listened to some random right-wing blogger, a man with literally no legal experience whatsoever (despite being the head of a blog labeled “Judicial Watch”), over the advice of the lawyers he ostensibly paid** to give him good advice. I think the life lessons we can learn from this saga are: If you have lawyers, listen to them, and for the love of God, don’t lie to them.

** Chris Kise. $3m. In advance.

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austin_blue  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:41:38am

re: #167 Belafon

They did have a pretty good and influential book together.

The Difference Engine started the whole Steampunk Movement.

Whenever I’m in London, I visit where the old Republic of Texas Embassy used to be, a few blocks from St. James Palace. Sam Houston, of course, appointed Dr. Ashbel Smith to be the Ambassador.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:45:53am

re: #254 darthstar

Find yourself a co-defendant who dresses you.

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I would almost put money on this guy wiping Fat Donny’s ass is in his job description.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:47:36am

And it’s time to resurrect Pulpit Pimp Theater with today’s episode!

MAGA Pastor Urges Christians To Become Suicide Bombers

You know, like Islamist suicide bombers. To save the babies.

rightwingwatch.org

Kent Christmas, the radical right-wing pastor of Regeneration Nashville, last Sunday urged his congregation to show the same sort of “passion” that drives radical Islamic terrorists to be willing to “die for their beliefs.” Via Right Wing Watch:

Christmas, a Trump-loving MAGA pastor and conspiracy theorist who has repeatedly declared that God will soon start killing “wicked” elected officials, got himself worked up during his sermon by falsely asserting that the state of Vermont recently passed legislation declaring that “it is legal, up to 21 days after full-term birth, that you can kill a baby.”

“I am at war with evil!” Christmas ranted. “This is one preacher that is not backing down. I can tell you this: I will give my life for the Gospel.”

“You want to know why the Muslim faith has had its advancements?” he continued. “It’s because the Muslims were willing to die for their beliefs. They were willing to strap bombs to their chest. They believed in the afterlife.”

“God, give us some men and women that will get a hold of some passion in their spirit and say, ‘I will lay down my life for the Gospel!’” Christmas thundered. “This thing was born in blood.”

Born In Blood

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TarHellion  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:51:48am

re: #262 Dave In Austin

en.wikipedia.org

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:52:51am

re: #178 ckkatz

“Life was better 50 years ago” Thread -

Fun thread.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:52:53am

re: #251 Dr Lizardo

Andor is pretty much the finest media to come of the Star Wars franchise.

I haven’t watched Andor so for me it remains a toss up of either The Clone Wars or Rebels animated shows.

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:54:45am

re: #262 Dave In Austin

I would almost put money on this guy wiping Fat Donny’s ass is in his job description.

Imagine the tell-all book he could write after this is over if he flipped and testified against Trump.

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ipsos  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:54:47am

re: #265 darthstar

Fun thread.

Life was definitely easier for me 50 years ago. If I was hungry, I cried for a minute and someone fed me. If I crapped myself, someone picked me up and wiped me off. I had a stuffed elephant toy and some blocks, and probably everything around me was covered in lead paint.

Good times.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:54:59am

re: #263 Joe Bacon ✅

If Reverend Christmas there wants to strap a bomb to himself and blow himself to Kingdom Come, I most assuredly hope that he is able to fulfill his ambition.

That being said, I urge him to do so in the middle of, let’s say….the Mojave Desert, where he won’t take someone out with him, and he can go meet his Lord and Savior in privacy.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:55:14am

Ohio you sent a real asshole to the Senate…

JD Vance Goes QAnon: ‘Duly Elected’ Trump Must Control All Documents

crooksandliars.com

Channeling QAnon crazies, newly elected Senator JD Vance told Steve Bannon Trump is the “people’s elected president” and should be allowed to control all top-secret documents in his possession to thwart the “deep state.”

Mind you, this is a sitting US Senator

What if those documents are about the deep state trying to force a war on the elected president?

What if they’re about the Russia collusion hoax?

They document the way in which the Russia collusion hoax went to war against the people’s elected president.

There are a lot of reasons why we want those documents to be controlled by the people’s elected president, and Merrick Garland is going to war with that principle.

There are no reasons for any former president to control classified documents and our laws have established that for decades.

We do know that a war plan to attack Iran was part of the documents Trump hoarded.

The newly-elected MAGA Senator already released a statement saying he will hold up all DOJ nominations as punishment for indicting Trump.

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:56:43am

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

There are several species of cacti in the Mojave Desert that are protected by law. Just saying.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 6:57:33am

re: #266 William Lewis

I definitely recommend Andor. Brilliantly written, strong casting and a well-told story. It shows the potential Star Wars can have when it’s in the right hands.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:01:06am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Did you mean In Search Of… It featured Leonard Nimoy.

I definitely remember Quark. I also remember that it sure didn’t last that long, either. Of course, I also remember the debacle that was Supertrain. 😄

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:07:46am

re: #273 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Huh. Never heard of that one, I never even saw it in syndication. I looked it up, and it only had 23 episodes, so probably not enough to enter the syndication market at the time.

One old series that just popped into my mind was Project U.F.O., which ran from 1978 to 1979 on NBC, but only ran 26 episodes before it got cancelled.

Project U.F.O. - S1E1 - The Washington DC Incident

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:18:28am

Does anyone in the US remember a series called, IIRC, “Danger Theatre”? It was a series of skits parodying a lot of the action/adventure TV series popular at the time.

For some reason it was shown on late-night British TV then it went away never to be seen again.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:20:43am

re: #275 Nojay UK

It was a short-lived Fox show with Robert Vaughn.

en.wikipedia.org

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:21:43am

re: #275 Nojay UK

Does anyone in the US remember a series called, IIRC, “Danger Theatre”? It was a series of skits parodying a lot of the action/adventure TV series popular at the time.

For some reason it was shown on late-night British TV then it went away never to be seen again.

Sure was a lot of danger out there

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:22:44am

re: #277 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Sure was a lot of danger out there

Yeah—7 episodes…Memories of back in the 50s when shows ran at least 39 weeks…

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dat_said  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:26:07am

The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis is/was my “what show?”

The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis (3/9) An Honest and Decent Man (1959)

Show was a steppingstone for Bob Denver, Warren Beatty, Tuesday Weld

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TarHellion  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:27:36am

re: #278 Joe Bacon ✅

MrsTarH likes to watch Gunsmoke on TV Land. There were 635 episodes over 21 seasons. Amazing.

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steve_davis  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:30:51am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Did you mean In Search Of… It featured Leonard Nimoy.

I definitely remember Quark. I also remember that it sure didn’t last that long, either. Of course, I also remember the debacle that was Supertrain. 😄

I have In Search Of on DVD. The funny thing is that the syntesizer music they used for the stories is now way scarier than the stories themselves. Whoever figured out that was the way to go was a genius. Also funny because for a couple of seasons you can tell Nimoy was double-booked for a Star Trek movie as well.

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mmmirele  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:31:25am

re: #270 Joe Bacon ✅

JD Vance is a graduate of Yale Law School and presumably has been taught how to do research. He *can*, if he chooses, look up the text of the law and look at the cases interpreting the law and figure out what it all means. But he won’t do that, because he’d rather lie about it. Asshat. Yale, come get your alum, he needs some remedial training.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:34:04am

re: #281 steve_davis

I have In Search Of on DVD. The funny thing is that the syntesizer music they used for the stories is now way scarier than the stories themselves. Whoever figured out that was the way to go was a genius. Also funny because for a couple of seasons you can tell Nimoy was double-booked for a Star Trek movie as well.

It was a pretty good show; I used to watch it religiously as a kid. Looking back on it now, it’s a perfect time capsule from the 1970s Golden Age of Woowoo.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:35:37am

The old time shows I look back at fondly are

Bewitched
Hogan’s Heroes
The Rockford Files
Hill Street Blues
Magnum PI

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:36:13am

re: #282 mmmirele

JD Vance is a graduate of Yale Law School and presumably has been taught how to do research. He *can*, if he chooses, look up the text of the law and look at the cases interpreting the law and figure out what it all means. But he won’t do that, because he’d rather lie about it. Asshat. Yale, come get your alum, he needs some remedial training.

I haven’t ruled out the possibility that these schools teach their students to manipulate bigoted rubes. That is the easiest path to success in America.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:39:21am

re: #280 TarHellion

MrsTarH likes to watch Gunsmoke on TV Land. There were 635 episodes over 21 seasons. Amazing.

Dodge City was only the bustling railroad stop for 20 years. It bustled on TV longer. I learned this when I rode my bike there from Pennsylvania. Slept in the park there.

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:40:15am

re: #284 William Lewis

The old time shows I look back at fondly are

Bewitched
Hogan’s Heroes
The Rockford Files
Hill Street Blues
Magnum PI

Mrs. Fish and I have been watching Hogan’s Heroes on Amazon Prime. It’s on their Freevee service, which used to be its own thing but got bought out.

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:41:03am

This side of the Pond, Bonking Boris is getting his arse kicked up one side of Whitehall Road and down the other over the now-published Parliamentary Privileges Committee report into Partygate. It’s brutal, painful to read and well-deserved. It’s clear now why he jumped rather than waiting to be pushed. The few of his supporters in Parliament still left are being laughed at and/or ignored.

Two by-elections have already been called for the seats held by Boris and another Conservative MP who resigned, to be held on 20th July just before the summer recess (August is the party conference season before Parliament starts up again with the King’s Speech to come in early November). Dotty Doris has changed her mind about resigning with immediate effect and she’s still an MP so it’s likely her seat won’t be vacated until after the recess is over.

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:42:41am

re: #288 Nojay UK

I heard that the committee report recommended that he be forever banished from setting foot in Parliament, which sounds like an amazing idea we should import into the US for a certain select group of treasonweasels who are sitting in our Congress right now.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:42:52am

77 Sunset Strip

I only remember the flashy opening.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:44:22am

re: #290 🔧-wench

Hawaiian Eye!

Hawaiian Eye Intro

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:44:36am

re: #191 Belafon

Patch Zircher
@PatrickZircher
What tv show did you love but the current generation won’t have any idea what it was?
The Persuaders!
Roger Moore & Tony Curtis.
Great for its time.
24 eps of a British aristocrat & Brooklyn hustler (guess who plays who) solving crimes— until “I want that guy to play James Bond”

Davis Rules
Randy Quaid, Jonathan Winters, Luke Edwards & “Wax On - Wax Off” Tamayo Otsuki.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:45:10am

re: #282 mmmirele

JD Vance is a graduate of Yale Law School and presumably has been taught how to do research. He *can*, if he chooses, look up the text of the law and look at the cases interpreting the law and figure out what it all means. But he won’t do that, because he’d rather lie about it. Asshat. Yale, come get your alum, he needs some remedial training.

He doesn’t need to research anything to know what he’s saying is total bullshit.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:45:12am

There was Annual TV too: The Wizard of OZ was on TV once a year. It was a big deal in our house.

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:49:02am

It’s a Wonderful Life.

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dat_said  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:52:29am

That Time Donald Trump Promised “Food for Everyone” at Versailles

Trump opted to decompress with a trip to Versailles in Little Havana. The iconic restaurant has long been a pit stop for politicians seeking to curry favor with Miami’s Cuban voters.

It turns out no one got anything. Not even a cafecito to-go.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:52:47am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My computer is whinging it wants to update Windows.

I’m going to take this opportunity to lie down. I’ll catch y’all later.

Mine did it at some point last night while I was asleep

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 7:55:18am

Jack LaLanne

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:00:51am

re: #296 dat_said

That Time Donald Trump Promised “Food for Everyone” at Versailles

Everything Trump Touches Dies
(#ETTD)

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:00:57am

Beany & Cecil. Even when I was a kid I laughed at all the puns Bob Clampett did!

Bob Clampett’s Beany and Cecil meet the invisible man!

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:01:09am

Catching up:
On nostalgia TV: I was on a flight near the front 10 years ago and was watching a Rockford Files episode on my laptop with headphones on

there was a horrible in-flight movie, starring Nic Cage, or some such actor

I had to get up to go to the bathroom so I hit pause and five or six people audibly set off and I realized that they were watching Rockford on my screen and one guy said yeah man that movie that in-flight movie sucks, so I turned on the close caption so everybody could read the subtitles people were delighted and when the episode ended, the person said hey, we’re gonna watch the next one right and I said oh yeah

On base system numbers, I like base 10 numbers leave me alone, you binary and octal freaks I live in an analog world😎

On hockey: Las Vegas winning 9-3 shows Florida was out of gas after a great run. I like Golden Knights logo and the fact they had some savvy veterans playing roles like Jonathan Quick from the Kings.

On weather: drizzle with sun maybe out by 1500. If it does come out it’s the greatest day ever if not it makes my knees and hip hurt

On dogs : see photo

2023: Santa Susanna, California
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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:04:49am

re: #294 🔧-wench

There was Annual TV too: The Wizard of OZ was on TV once a year. It was a big deal in our house.

The Ten Commandments - always around Easter/Passover, and one show that my folks would let me stay up late to watch (and fall asleep to).

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:05:13am

Rocky and Bullwinkle!

ETA and Remington Steele.

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dat_said  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:07:14am

re: #301 So Cal Greek Hippie

Catching up:
[..]

On base system numbers, I like base 10 numbers leave me alone, you binary and octal freaks I live in an analog world😎

[..]

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I’m pretty much a base 10 guy except for my age (currently in my 30’s - 3C to be precise).

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:07:28am

re: #299 Dave In Austin

Everything Trump Touches Dies
(#ETTD)

They all got food. Donald Trump did not promise to pay for it.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:08:13am

re: #296 dat_said

That Time Donald Trump Promised “Food for Everyone” at Versailles

Did he promise food for everyone, or did he shout “food for everyone” like a toddler that knows what a restaurant is?

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:08:14am

re: #296 dat_said

That Time Donald Trump Promised “Food for Everyone” at Versailles

he ‘ordered’ food for everyone
he didnt promise to pay for anything

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:08:53am

re: #302 lawhawk

The Ten Commandments - always around Easter/Passover, and one show that my folks would let me stay up late to watch (and fall asleep to).

In my town “A Christmas Carol” with Alistair Sim as Ebenezer Scrooge played every Christmas Eve after the 10PM news. We watched it most every year. It was almost like a horror movie for much of it.

50 years ago was about when all of the NASA-inspired junk started hitting the store shelves. Tang, Space Bars—uniformly awful.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:09:17am

re: #299 Dave In Austin

What a stupid footnote to that article:

Of course, with a long campaign ahead of him — possibly punctuated with additional South Florida court appearances — Trump will have plenty of opportunities to make good on Tuesday’s promise.

He won’t go there ever again.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:09:37am
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sagehen  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:09:53am
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:11:30am

re: #310 lawhawk

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Indian? I guess it’s not possible to rename the act.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:11:41am

I’ve never seen these in any color but white.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:14:26am

re: #304 dat_said

I’m pretty much a base 10 guy except for my age (currently in my 30’s - 3C to be precise).

spent a lot of time using hexadecimal in the mid 80’s

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:14:33am

re: #312 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Indian? I guess it’s not possible to rename the act.

Sometimes the stain needs to remain.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:15:10am

re: #274 Dr Lizardo

Huh. Never heard of that one, I never even saw it in syndication. I looked it up, and it only had 23 episodes, so probably not enough to enter the syndication market at the time.

One old series that just popped into my mind was Project U.F.O., which ran from 1978 to 1979 on NBC, but only ran 26 episodes before it got cancelled.

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I have it on DVD. It’s not very good, but it is an early example of a character backed by a team using communications technology.

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:15:56am

re: #315 darthstar

Sometimes the stain needs to remain.

Imagine if they tried to rename the act and Republicans used it as an opportunity to redefine what ‘indigineous’ meant.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:15:57am

re: #312 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Indian? I guess it’s not possible to rename the act.

Be thankful the court upheld the principle and the law. With this GOP, they’d thwart renaming it or modernizing language use to gender neutral.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:17:21am

re: #305 Nojay UK

They all got food. Donald Trump did not promise to pay for it.

And Then came the Lawyers.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:19:18am

Jonathan Pie on Boris Johnson’s current and ongoing woes, from today….

The Back of Boris (for now)

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:24:49am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

Jonathan Pie on Boris Johnson’s current and ongoing woes, from today….

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Video

I remember seeing a short doc on Boris where classmates at college remembered him as the leader of a group of insufferable prickish bullies.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:26:19am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

Well Jonathan is a breath of fresh air! 😉

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:26:44am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

Substitute Trump for Johnson (and Congress/Courts for the Parliament/Queen) and it nearly matches 1:1.

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:28:34am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

Jonathan Pie on Boris Johnson’s current and ongoing woes, from today….

[Embedded content]

Video

At bit too much both-siderism in that news report for me. I would rather Mr. Pie had been less mealy-mouthed and more unequivocal in his assessment of Boris.

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:29:30am

Just paged
Documents Show How Conservative Doctors Influenced Abortion, Trans Rights
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:29:56am

re: #323 lawhawk

Substitute Trump for Johnson (and Congress/Courts for the Parliament/Queen) and it nearly matches 1:1.

Yep. I wish that Jonathan Pie (British comedian Tom Walker) was in fact a real, on-air reporter for the BBC and that his diatribes would go out live. He’s spitting fire and laying out the truth - and there’s a whole lot of people out there who desperately need to hear that.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:31:40am

I’m building a collection of 4s.

Click to Reveal

Wordle 726 4/6*

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:33:52am

re: #318 lawhawk

Be thankful the court upheld the principle and the law. With this GOP, they’d thwart renaming it or modernizing language use to gender neutral.

I think they will continue to favor separate tribal sovereignty, not because they want to help native Americans, but rather that their worldview is both tribalistic and grim. They are Christian Nationalists who can see the trends, and they forsee a future in which they are living in Amish like separatist enclaves, thus they must build structure to protect “religious freedoms” and “tribal sovereignty.”

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:37:15am
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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:37:28am

Mastodon

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:38:17am

Secret Agent Man

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:38:38am

re: #328 Thanos

I think they will continue to favor separate tribal sovereignty, not because they want to help native Americans, but rather that their worldview is both tribalistic and grim. They are Christian Nationalists who can see the trends, and they forsee a future in which they are living in Amish like separatist enclaves, thus they must build structure to protect “religious freedoms” and “tribal sovereignty.”

Mastodon

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Teukka  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:39:42am

Let’s talk about a post-Trump GOP….

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:40:29am

re: #332 🔧-wench

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Both of those Justices agree with Weyrich, but think him a bit too radical.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:42:24am

Mastodon

From the article:

The leaders, Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr., Morongo Band of Mission Indians Chairman Charles Martin, Oneida Nation Chairman Tehassi Hill and Quinault Indian Nation President Guy Capoeman, said they hope this case will “lay to rest the political attacks aimed at diminishing tribal sovereignty and creating instability throughout Indian law that have persisted for too long.”

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:49:46am

*chef’s kiss*

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:55:27am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:55:47am

re: #153 darthstar

Okay…that’s a relief…was worried I might get sucked into the Spiderverse along the way and never come out from the TV again.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:55:48am

MTG shows her dumbfuckery in hearing with CDC Director Walensky - purposefully distorting the purpose of VAERS and other nonsensical ramblings about statistics that have no relationship to reality.

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piratedan  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:56:46am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

nope, think it was simply called SEARCH, had Burgess Meredith, Hugh O’Brian, Tony Franciosa and Doug McClure… imdb says it existed from 72-73 and was created by Outer Limit’s Leslie Stevens….

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 8:58:44am

re: #339 lawhawk

MTG shows her dumbfuckery in hearing with CDC Director Walensky - purposefully distorting the purpose of VAERS and other nonsensical ramblings about statistics that have no relationship to reality.

Purposefully? She really seems like a genuine idiot to me.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:02:02am

re: #333 Teukka

Yes, pardons will be on the playing table.

But much more on the table will be every flavor of atavistic urge one can conceive.

DeSantis is just starting.

Big time othering is coming.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:02:21am

re: #340 piratedan

nope, think it was simply called SEARCH, had Burgess Meredith, Hugh O’Brian, Tony Franciosa and Doug McClure… imdb says it existed from 72-73 and was created by Outer Limit’s Leslie Stevens….

Yeah, one of those short-lived series. Like I said, I still recall Supertrain, an NBC fiasco which aired nine episodes in 1979 and (along with the 1980 Moscow Olympics boycott), damn near bankrupted the network. One of the biggest TV turkeys of all time.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:06:46am

re: #343 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, one of those short-lived series. Like I said, I still recall Supertrain, an NBC fiasco which aired nine episodes in 1979 and (along with the 1980 Moscow Olympics boycott), damn near bankrupted the network. One of the biggest TV turkeys of all time.

Fred Silverman’s biggest bomb when he drove NBC into the ground. And it was produced by Dan (Dark Shadows) Curtis!

Supertrain Opening Credits

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:09:36am

re: #329 Dave In Austin

if you didnt condone elected officials lying and wasting tax dollars, there’d be no R’s in government

ps - many of them are proud admitted liars

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:10:08am

re: #315 darthstar

Sometimes the stain needs to remain.

There’s no consensus among the peoples under discussion as to what they should be called — some of them are still for “Indians.” (The residents of that subcontinent out west would be surprised to hear that it’s a “stain.”)

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:11:11am

Interesting thread on NoLabels.

It is very detail oriented. Although I cannot say that I have a chance to verify them yet.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:11:15am

Day before yesterday, I did my annual ‘run’ (slooooww jog). Yesterday I had a bone scan, which was a very small deal. It was a screening, which I knew was valuable because my veterinarian (my cats’ vet) has osteoporosis, and is unhappy that she’s only allowed one scan every other year. The facility where the scan happened is up a huge hill at the end of my 3 mile bike ride there. (I test-rode the route last Sunday.) Do they always put the hospital and various medical offices on a hill just so they can call it ‘Pill Hill’? Or is it concern about flooding?

Appointments fill me with Anticipatory Anxiety. I allowed so much extra time for the ride to the appointment, that I was done 10 minutes before the start was scheduled. I asked if there’s a numerical result, and the technician told me something about my doctor will do the interpretation.

I know my A1C, BMI, Ht., Wt., BP, Temp.(forehead), Oxygen Saturation, and Credit Score. Just give me a number.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:11:41am

re: #344 Joe Bacon ✅

Here’s the Supertrain pilot episode, “Express to Terror”. So for those who never caught it, you can now see just how really bad it was.

Youtube Video

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:13:02am

heh

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:13:40am

re: #312 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Indian? I guess it’s not possible to rename the act.

The ICWA was enacted in 1978, so (while not quite a relic of a benighted age of prejudice), the title probably didn’t trigger the same reaction it would today. But yeah, I believe that, once formalized into law, you can’t just rename statutes.

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jeffreyw  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:15:09am

Holmes: “I say old boy is that mud on your boots?”
Watson: “No, shit, Sherlock.”

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:15:36am

re: #329 Dave In Austin

Randy Quaid
@RandyRRQuaid

Every Republican that did not vote to rid this country of the corrupt termite named Adam Schiff clearly condones publicly elected officials lying to us and wasting our tax dollars. They can all go jump in Turd Lake.

Pretty weird…

Heard an interview with Dennis Quaid, in which he was asked, “what can you tell us about your brother Randy that no-one knows?”

‘He can eat an apple in one bite.’

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:17:04am

Mastodon

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:20:36am

re: #327 🔧-wench

I’m building a collection of 4s.

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I’m building a collection of words with three letters in common.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:22:29am

re: #355 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

I’m building a collection of words with three letters in common.

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Only luck spared me from that. Nice pic tho.

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:23:03am

re: #351 Jay C

The ICWA was enacted in 1978, so (while not quite a relic of a benighted age of prejudice), the title probably didn’t trigger the same reaction it would today. But yeah, I believe that, once formalized into law, you can’t just rename statutes.

The fun part is, in the US Code itself, the laws’ names don’t even exist. For example, when referring to the Espionage Act of 1917, a lawyer would direct you to 18 USC, section 793. The Copyright Act of 1976 is US Code Title 17 (so, for example, 17 USC section 11 relates to copyrights on music).

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:25:08am

re: #347 ckkatz

Interesting thread on NoLabels.

It is very detail oriented. Although I cannot say that I have a chance to verify them yet.

Interesting: if Rick Wilson is right - and, just at a cursory glance, it would seem so - then it would confirm what I’ve always thought about “No Labels”: that, rather than any sort of truly “centrist” (still less “independent”) party/movement, it’s just a blatantly-astroturf BS front for RWingers/Republicans: designed to try to peel off *just* enough (otherwise-) Democratic votes to bolster GOP election chances. Though “try” is the operative phrase here….

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:25:32am

University of Nebraska at Lincoln, three days ago

Study shows many American atheists hide their non-belief

The study involves people who live in rural areas and women. The takeaway is for both, discrimination is a fact-of-life. This causes direct effects on well-being and psychological stresses.

Data show that for many women raised in or around Christianity, they found atheism to be “liberating” from the general expectations of women rooted in faith. While they reported frequently experiencing anti-atheist discrimination was uncommon, they cited Christian authority and the expectation to adapt to Christian norms as more distressing than individual acts of anti-atheist discrimination.

One stereotype frequently reported by women atheists was that they often were viewed by non-atheists as “sexually immoral.”

Rural atheists reported significantly different challenges than their urban counterparts.

“Atheists living in small towns — which tend to be more religious and politically conservative — often reported experiencing a heightened sense of danger because of their non-belief,” Abbott said. “Rural atheists talked about a fear of violence more than urban atheists did.”

Although few reported experiencing violence or hate crimes, Abbott said, some did experience threats. One participant who wrote secular opinion columns in their local newspaper received death threats at a local restaurant from another community member.

(more)

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dat_said  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:26:33am

I know there’s a number of Instant Pot fans here. The parent company (also makes Pyrex) has filed for bankruptcy.

Sounds like typical US business logic - overpay for a hot product by taking on loads of debt and then find out that product sales can’t cover the debt no matter how many synergies you uncover.

Four years ago, private-equity firm Cornell Capital acquired Instant Brands and it merged with Corelle Brands. Additional consumer products under the parent company include Corelle, Snapware, CorningWare, Visions and Chicago Cutlery.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:28:08am

re: #238 lawhawk

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:28:33am
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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:30:30am

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

One stereotype frequently reported by women atheists was that they often were viewed by non-atheists as “sexually immoral.”

That’s the default assumption (in America) for any woman who remains or becomes single after 25. Are married female atheists getting it too?

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:30:37am

re: #346 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

There’s no consensus among the peoples under discussion as to what they should be called — some of them are still for “Indians.” (The residents of that subcontinent out west would be surprised to hear that it’s a “stain.”)

Agreed. But how the word is used in the US is a factor.

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:30:42am

Mastodon

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:31:03am

re: #358 Jay C

All centrists aid the right, whether Astroturf or not.

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:31:59am

re: #360 dat_said

It may be even worse than that -

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KingKenrod  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:32:09am

re: #360 dat_said

Someone mentioned the other day that they took out a big loan, like $500 million, and then gave half of it to shareholders.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:32:56am

re: #367 ckkatz

Why would the Private Equity company not still be on the hook for that loan money if Instant Pot goes belly up?

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:35:34am

Shocked: not shocked

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:35:51am

re: #337 ckkatz

#LyingForJesus

What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church … a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.

—Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant Reformation, in a letter entitled “Lying: Moral Choice in Public and Private Life”

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:37:19am

re: #367 ckkatz

It may be even worse than that -

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That’s the important detail. Instapot is in trouble for the same reason Toys-R-Us was: a bunch of rich people figured out that they could get richer by hurting poorer people.

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:37:55am

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

I would suspect that the loan signer is a different legal entity than the private equity folks. A couple of hundred million can help one afford getting fairly expert legal advice.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:39:15am

Another lunatic GOPer with too much time on their hands wasting time for Congress.

She’s so nuts that even Tom Massie demurred on supporting the measure.

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:39:52am

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

Why would the Private Equity company not still be on the hook for that loan money if Instant Pot goes belly up?

IIRC*, that’s what bankruptcy filings are supposed to ascertain. Sounds to me like Instant Pot’s financial shenanigans are one huge, dishonest, and likely entirely legal scam: but IANAL….

*always questionable

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sizzzzlerz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:42:05am

re: #371 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

#LyingForJesus

—Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant Reformation, in a letter entitled “Lying: Moral Choice in Public and Private Life”

Christians. Lying for jesus since at least the 16th century.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:42:28am

re: #346 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

There’s no consensus among the peoples under discussion as to what they should be called — some of them are still for “Indians.” (The residents of that subcontinent out west would be surprised to hear that it’s a “stain.”)

See the newspaper Indian Country Today

Supreme Court Affirms ICWA

In the opinion, authored by Justice Amy Coney Barrett, said the court “declines to disturb the Fifth Circuit’s conclusion that ICWA is consistent with” Congress’s authority under the Constitution in Article I.

“The United States, joined by several Indian Tribes, defends the law,” read the opinion. “But the bottom line is that we reject all of petitioners’ challenges to the statute, some on the merits and others for lack of standing.” Challengers cited that ICWA was against “federal authority, infringes state sovereignty, and discriminates on the basis of race.”

(more)

Our Nation’s painful history looms large over today’s decision. In the not-so-distant past, Native children were stolen from the arms of the people who loved them. They were sent to boarding schools or to be raised by non-Indian families—all with the aim of erasing who they are as Native people and tribal citizens. These were acts of unspeakable cruelty that affected generations of Native children and threatened the very survival of Tribal Nations. The Indian Child Welfare Act was our Nation’s promise: never again.

Tribal Nations fought hard to pass the Indian Child Welfare Act, and I am proud to have joined them in the ongoing efforts to defend it. Vice President Harris and I will continue to stand with Tribes to protect Native children, honor tribal sovereignty, and safeguard the essential principals of the Indian Child Welfare Act.

(more)

Statement from President Joe Biden on Supreme Court Decision in Haaland v. Brackeen (White House)

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silverdolphin  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:42:35am

re: #224 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

What an opportunity missed:

“Purrrrrfect”

After all, she woulda done it

I left it out there for someone to pick up.

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:43:14am
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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:45:22am
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sizzzzlerz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:45:50am

re: #374 lawhawk

Another lunatic GOPer with too much time on their hands wasting time for Congress.

She’s so nuts that even Tom Massie demurred on supporting the measure.

Not surprising. When you don’t actually legislate, doing the one job you’re supposed to be doing, you need a hobby.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:47:07am

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

Looks like China’s economy is struggling:

scmp.com

It certainly doesn’t help matters that Xi has alienated Western businesses with his tactics of bullying. Now, some of those businesses have closed their doors, and a good many others are having serious second thoughts about investing in the PRC and are instead building factories in countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, etc.

This is very bad news for well-educated Chinese graduates looking for a career. They could end up leaving China for greener pastures, destinations such as the USA or the EU or Canada, thus creating a brain drain scenario that bodes ill for China’s future, especially when we factor in their shrinking - and simultaneously aging - demographics.

Have mentioned this before. Our Trump-loving Republican brother detests China and is opposed to our working with them but he is a big fan of Vietnam. He has nothing but praise for their government and the way they operate to attract business and produce goods. He claims (and I don’t know if there is anything to substantiate this) that Trump tried to persuade North Korea that they could become an economic success by following the Vietnamese model.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:51:54am

re: #341 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Purposefully? She really seems like a genuine idiot to me.

Too bad Dr. Walensky couldn’t say “that’s none of your fookin’ business, you harpy from Hell.”

“But my question for you today, Dr. Walensky, is now that you’re going to be leaving the CDC pretty soon, what job are you going to take,” Greene said. “Are you going to be on the board of either Pfizer or Moderna because you’ve done one hell of a job at making sure that they’ve made a lot of money?”

“Maybe I will just close by saying I don’t have plans after I step down,” Walensky responded.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:53:31am

re: #358 Jay C

Interesting: if Rick Wilson is right - and, just at a cursory glance, it would seem so - then it would confirm what I’ve always thought about “No Labels”: that, rather than any sort of truly “centrist” (still less “independent”) party/movement, it’s just a blatantly-astroturf BS front for RWingers/Republicans: designed to try to peel off *just* enough (otherwise-) Democratic votes to bolster GOP election chances. Though “try” is the operative phrase here….

Iirc, Mark Penn started out as a Clinton insider much like Dick Morris, but then got cut out due to his unerringly bad advice.

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:55:47am
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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:56:35am

Hang on…the phantom menace starts out as a tax dispute?

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:58:54am
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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 9:59:24am

re: #386 darthstar

Hang on…the phantom menace starts out as a tax dispute?

Yes. The rise of the Galactic Empire, the destruction of Alderaan and the murder of millions of people, all trace their origins back to an asshole in the government with more power than sense levying a tax on otherwise law-abiding people for no particularly good reason.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:00:00am

re: #385 ckkatz

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:00:21am

re: #362 ckkatz

I’ve not followed the Tesla saga much but last time I looked Tesla has no dealerships anywhere in the US. Buying a Tesla from a dealer would pose a bit of a problem if that remains the case.

There are servicing facilities[1] for Tesla cars but sales are done on-line. If you want a test drive you book one on the Internet and someone will turn up at your door at your convenience for your test drive.

[1] From reading stories from Tesla owners servicing is often carried out at the vehicle’s location via mobile workshops rather than having to “take it into the shop”.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:00:40am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:00:53am

re: #363 🔧-wench

That’s the default assumption (in America) for any woman who remains or becomes single after 25. Are married female atheists getting it too?

The only married atheist I know well is my wife. She has gotten it when I am not around and she’s out-and-about.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:01:59am

re: #367 ckkatz

It may be even worse than that -

Bank robbery with an extra step.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:02:06am

re: #370 lawhawk

Shocked: not shocked

she probably got advice from thomas

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ericblair  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:04:12am

re: #388 Nerdy Fish

Yes. The rise of the Galactic Empire, the destruction of Alderaan and the murder of millions of people, all trace their origins back to an asshole in the government with more power than sense levying a tax on otherwise law-abiding people for no particularly good reason.

For the definitive review, here you go:

YouTube

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:04:25am

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

Why would the Private Equity company not still be on the hook for that loan money if Instant Pot goes belly up?

Instant Brands is an LLC (Licence for Larcenous Conduct)

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:04:48am

re: #386 darthstar

Hang on…the phantom menace starts out as a tax dispute?

Yep. Taxation of trade routes in the Outer Rim of the fictional Star Wars galaxy. As a result of said dispute, the Trade Federation imposes a blockade on the planet of Naboo.

That’s what kicks it all off.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:04:53am

re: #391 gocart mozart

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I destroy robots in VR to blow off some steam. Fucking a dog just never occurred to me at all.

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:05:07am

re: #385 ckkatz

Any US declassified documents are subject to FOIA requests. If the judge says “hell no” to an FOIA request then there is a good chance they’re still classified. The bit after the judge’s “hell no” should give the game away.

As for reading out classified documents into the Congressional record, at some point someone would have to hand the classified documents to the Congresscritter doing the reading in the well of the House. If they didn’t have suitable security clearances AND need-to-know regarding those documents then they’d be breaking the law.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:05:58am

re: #397 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Taxation of trade routes in the Outer Rim of the fictional Star Wars galaxy. As a result of said dispute, the Trade Federation imposes a blockade on the planet of Naboo.

That’s what kicks it all off.

Revenge of the Nerds - NERDS!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:07:10am

re: #344 Joe Bacon ✅

Fred Silverman’s biggest bomb when he drove NBC into the ground. And it was produced by Dan (Dark Shadows) Curtis!

That video leads to this one (5:53)

Short answer from me: Are you fookin’ nutz? That’s why.

Why Nuclear powered trains aren’t really a thing

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:08:39am

re: #378 silverdolphin

I left it out there for someone to pick up.

i’ll always take a grapefruit pitch

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:08:53am

re: #400 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

As much as people chuckle at the notion that a mere tariff dispute unleashed the whole saga that we see in Episodes I through VI, the idea that horrifically destructive conflicts can stem from a seemingly trivial issue isn’t entirely unheard of in the annals of human history.

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:11:01am

re: #403 Dr Lizardo

As much as people chuckle at the notion that a mere tariff dispute unleashed the whole saga that we see in Episodes I through VI, the idea that horrifically destructive conflicts can stem from a seemingly trivial issue isn’t entirely unheard of in the annals of human history.

Not unheard of in the slightest. English and French kings of old started wars for less.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:12:00am

re: #380 ckkatz

this part “For what it’s worth, under the Constitution, no member of Congress can be prosecuted for reading aloud on the floor any of the documents Trump allegedly has copies of” is completely untrue

the floor of congress is not some sacred place where you can commit a crime that then magically becomes not-a-crime.

idiot

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:12:27am

re: #364 darthstar

Agreed. But how the word is used in the US is a factor.

I was thinking more about our changing the title (if that’s even possible) just as a different name becomes the new standard.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:13:50am

re: #385 ckkatz

red herring / wouldnt change anything

the charges against tfg are about ‘possession’ of the dox. not their classification status.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:14:15am

re: #282 mmmirele

JD Vance is a graduate of Yale Law School and presumably has been taught how to do research. He *can*, if he chooses, look up the text of the law and look at the cases interpreting the law and figure out what it all means. But he won’t do that, because he’d rather lie about it. Asshat. Yale, come get your alum, he needs some remedial training.

JD Vance is a standard Trump Republican; i.e. a supporter of America’s Hitler, eager to install a fascist regime on this nation. Remedial training will accomplish nothing because he is guided only by his loyalty to a dictator wannabe.

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:14:48am

re: #390 Nojay UK

My understanding regarding Tesla matches what you post.

Additionally, I understand that Musk has been a vocal supporter of DeSantis. A Florida law making Tesla a special protected class in this case brings up concerns of favoritism.

That is in addition to the policy debate regarding how sales of automobiles should be handled by state law. Historically, across the United States, the dealership system has been favored by policy.

From the article, it appears that European Union policy is far more forward looking than that of Florida.

Which leads to my wondering on how car sales are handled in the UK. I admit having no knowledge on that subject

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:16:25am

re: #388 Nerdy Fish

Yes. The rise of the Galactic Empire, the destruction of Alderaan and the murder of millions billions and billions of people, all trace their origins back to an asshole in the government with more power than sense levying a tax on otherwise law-abiding people for no particularly good reason.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:18:04am

re: #380 ckkatz

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:18:08am

Trailer for Babylon 5: The Road Home dropped.

Babylon 5: The Road Home | Official Trailer | Warner Bros. Entertainment

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:20:46am

re: #405 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

completely untrue

the floor of congress is not some sacred place where you can commit a crime that then magically becomes not-a-crime.

idiot

Gah! I did not say what #405 attributes to me! I was providing an attributed Massie quote.

Regarding the rest, Ianal, but I have great sympathy and leaning towards your characterizations of Massie.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:22:18am

re: #413 ckkatz

Gah! I did not say what #405 attributes to me! I was providing an attributed Massie quote.

Regarding the rest, Ianal, but I have great sympathy and leaning towards your characterizations of Massie.

oh i know it wasnt you
i pulled the quote instead of copying the tweet

fixed it

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:22:39am

re: #413 ckkatz

Gah! I did not say what #405 attributes to me! I was providing an attributed Massie quote.

Regarding the rest, Ianal, but I have great sympathy and leaning towards your characterizations of Massie.

He wasn’t calling you an idiot.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:25:18am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

Trailer for Babylon 5: The Road Home dropped.

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Video

I could have done without the “unstuck in time” season 1 terrible acting reminder, but it looks good.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:26:03am

re: #414 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

oh i know it wasnt you
i pulled the quote instead of copying the tweet

Quotations can be tricky. I have even seen humor added (unintentionally) by closed captions. In Star Trek (Voyager, probably), they found a need to explore a Class y planet. They may have put a hyphen in there, but they didn’t capitalize the Y, which may have taken some of the humor out.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:26:29am

re: #355 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

I’m building a collection of words with three letters in common.

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Me too!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:27:32am
420
William Lewis  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:29:38am

Had a VA clinic appointment this morning. No masking required anymore. Got my shingles and pneumonia vaccines. Was told my last COVID bivalent booster was still good. BP is higher than it should be, my meds will likely be adjusted and they sent home another one of the wildly inaccurate automatic BP machines they gave me before. Sigh. Waste of time and money. OTOH, they’re all really happy with my weight loss.

All in all, a productive morning. Lunch appointment with my Dad and my son in a half hour.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:30:13am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Women’s College World Series winners University of Oklahoma players (four) speak in an NCAA tournament interview. All four speak to living a Christlike life is the key to glorify God through softball. (4:33)

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Why did god hate the other team?

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:30:52am

Well, this began with an underestimate.

Mastodon

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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:31:19am

re: #415 Belafon

He wasn’t calling you an idiot.

I say enough stupid things on my own. For once, this wasn’t from me and I didn’t want the extra credit.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:31:36am

re: #386 darthstar

Hang on…the phantom menace starts out as a tax dispute?

The seeds of lots of rebellions.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:31:49am
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:32:05am

re: #420 William Lewis

Had a VA clinic appointment this morning. No masking required anymore. Got my shingles and pneumonia vaccines. Was told my last COVID bivalent booster was still good. BP is higher than it should be, my meds will likely be adjusted and they sent home another one of the wildly inaccurate automatic BP machines they gave me before. Sigh. Waste of time and money. OTOH, they’re all really happy with my weight loss.

All in all, a productive morning. Lunch appointment with my Dad and my son in a half hour.

Masking is still required at my doctor’s office. There are sick people there.

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:32:27am

re: #409 ckkatz

My understanding regarding Tesla matches what you post.

[Clip]

That is in addition to the policy debate regarding how sales of automobiles should be handled by state law. Historically, across the United States, the dealership system has been favored by policy.

From the article, it appears that European Union policy is far more forward looking than that of Florida.

The issue is “Who do you sue?” A dealership system insulates the manufacturer from lawsuits if a dealer is taken to court for any reason, and I think most Americans on this blog would agree that the average US citizen is sue-crazy. Tesla removes that layer of protection and cost by not having licenced dealers but opens itself up to being sued by owners individually (class-action suits are another matter).

Here in the UK car dealers often occupy entire industrial estates, clustered together a bit like a shopping mall but more specialised. In my home city there’s an estate out near the ring road called Sighthill. Within an area about 200m by 300m square there are dealerships for Fiat, Aston Martin, Citroen, Skoda, Vauxhall, Audi, Renault and Dacia. In addition there’s a JCB showroom and a couple of motorbike dealers. There’s also a high-end second-hand car dealer selling classics as well as a couple of commercial van and truck sales places in that boundary. The Ford dealership (car and van) is just across the river from this cluster.

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TarHellion  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:35:33am

re: #420 William Lewis

Bravo for getting the vaccines! MrsTarH and I did the shingles (2-shot protocol) and pneumonia earlier this year. We’ve known some folks who had shingles - not fun at all.

And congrats on the weight loss!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:36:01am

re: #121 jaunte

Priceless!

Trump time and again rejected the advice from lawyers and advisers who urged him to cooperate and instead took the advice of Tom Fitton, the head of the conservative group Judicial Watch, and a range of others who told him he could legally keep the documents and should fight the Justice Department, advisers said. Trump would often cite Fitton to others, and Fitton told some of Trump’s lawyers that Trump could keep the documents, even as they disagreed, the advisers said.

Great idea. Maybe Fitton isn’t on the con side after all.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:36:18am

I just read this crazy article a couple of weeks ago on one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America: the National Auto Dealers Association.

slate.com

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:36:47am

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Instant Brands is an LLC (Licence for Larcenous Conduct)

The whole reason Limited Corporations were invented is because Lloyd’s of London used to sell shares in specific policies for specific ships. Until one year, they had a REALLY bad year. I’m not sure if it was hurricanes or pirates, but A LOT of ships were lost that year, and the investors had to pay out on all the policies. A bunch of very rich people suddenly became very poor.

Parliament, which of course has a number of very rich members, said OMG we can’t let this happen again!! And they came up with the limited corporation, where the company can go bankrupt and the most you can lose is your investment in that company.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:37:26am

re: #430 Barefoot Grin

I just read this crazy article a couple of weeks ago on one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America: the National Auto Dealers Association.

slate.com

We live in Car Culture.

433
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:37:26am

re: #123 jaunte

Conservative think tanks continually engineering new toxic viral wordsludge.

What’s even better? If you read the sub-title it says the exact opposite of the Fox title.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:37:38am

re: #424 Barefoot Grin

The seeds of lots of rebellions.

Also, in the story’s timeline, the Outer Rim worlds feel they’re being largely ignored by the Core Worlds and their needs aren’t being adequately addressed by the Galactic Senate, so they secede from the Republic and form the Confederacy of Independent Systems (of course, this is all being manipulated behind the scenes by Palpatine/Darth Sidious and his apprentice, Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus).

But the Outer Rim worlds did have a legit beef with the Core Worlds, and the Sith took advantage of that to pursue their own malevolent agenda.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:39:23am

re: #236 Nerdy Fish

Man, I am slow so far this week.

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:39:56am

re: #358 Jay C

Interesting: if Rick Wilson is right - and, just at a cursory glance, it would seem so - then it would confirm what I’ve always thought about “No Labels”: that, rather than any sort of truly “centrist” (still less “independent”) party/movement, it’s just a blatantly-astroturf BS front for RWingers/Republicans: designed to try to peel off *just* enough (otherwise-) Democratic votes to bolster GOP election chances. Though “try” is the operative phrase here….

This has become standard operating procedure for the GOP, even the paleolibertarian bros over at Reason understand the ploy
reason.com

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:40:20am

re: #399 Nojay UK

As for reading out classified documents into the Congressional record, at some point someone would have to hand the classified documents to the Congresscritter doing the reading in the well of the House. If they didn’t have suitable security clearances AND need-to-know regarding those documents then they’d be breaking the law.

Daniel Ellsberg was already breaking a bunch of laws, already under indictment, and had nothing to lose. Which is why the entire Pentagon Papers are now part of the Congressional Record. (also, extreme prosecutorial misconduct and extreme White House misconduct was so hideous and so extreme that the judge tossed the whole case. Which is why Daniel Ellsberg was able to live out his life not in a cell.)

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:40:57am
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darthstar  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:41:14am

re: #397 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Taxation of trade routes in the Outer Rim of the fictional Star Wars galaxy. As a result of said dispute, the Trade Federation imposes a blockade on the planet of Naboo.

That’s what kicks it all off.

I’m speed watching it…skipping through the schmarmy parts.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:43:34am
441
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:44:07am

re: #405 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

this part “For what it’s worth, under the Constitution, no member of Congress can be prosecuted for reading aloud on the floor any of the documents Trump allegedly has copies of” is completely untrue

the floor of congress is not some sacred place where you can commit a crime that then magically becomes not-a-crime.

idiot

The claim is he’s covered by the Speech and Debate Clause. (Famously that was used to read the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record by Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska.) The idea is similar to Gravel’s: If he reads out classified material on the floor, it is no longer classified and Trump can’t be charged for its possession. In Gravel v United States, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 the Speech and Debate Clause extends to congressional aides (when the government attempted to try Gravel’s congressional aide).

In United States v Raymond Office Building, the FBI raided Democratic representative William Jefferson’s congressional office, looking for documents on alleged illegal business practices. That caused a bi-partisan uproar, led by Dennis Hastert as Speaker of the House. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi noted that while representatives must obey the law, the law cannot violate the Constitution in regards to the Speech and Debate Clause. The Appeals Court ruled 3-0 the Speech and Debate Clause applied to a congressman’s office. The Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Jefferson was later convicted with other unrelated evidence of bribery, racketeering, and money laundering.

In Wuterich v Murtha (2006), Democratic Congressman Walter Murtha claimed in the Haditha, Iraq massacre of twenty-four civilians, that Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich committed (as squad leader) cold-blooded murder and war crimes on the floor of the US House. Wuterich sued, arguing defamation and invasion of privacy. Murtha argued against sitting for a deposition in the case that violated the Westfall Act (preventing a sitting member of Congress from being sued while conducting business on the floor as a protection under the Speech and Debate Clause). The DC Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Murtha’s argument his speech was constitutionally-protected in 2009 and dismissed it for sovereign immunity.

In short, any staffer who helps Thomas Massie has case law to protect them under the Speech and Debate Clause.

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:46:11am

re: #416 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

I could have done without the “unstuck in time” season 1 terrible acting reminder, but it looks good.

Zathras said this was a bad idea. But no one listens to Zathras.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:46:11am
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ckkatz  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:46:31am

re: #422 🔧-wench

Years back I read a book on ‘Identity’ which discussed a boat carrying migrants from Africa to Europe. The boat sank and hundreds drowned. But there was no identity documentation on the victims. So the official view was essentially that the victims had no identity.

Another chapter dealt with the death of a king in a Medieval battle. The bodies could not be recovered until after the battle ended. At which point all had been looted, including all the clothing and personal effects. Apparently no one was able to figure out which body was that of the king.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:50:01am

re: #444 ckkatz

Years back I read a book on ‘Identity’ which discussed a boat carrying migrants from Africa to Europe. The boat sank and hundreds drowned. But there was no identity documentation on the victims. So the official view was essentially that the victims had no identity.

Another chapter dealt with the death of a king in a Medieval battle. The bodies could not be recovered until after the battle ended. At which point all had been looted, including all the clothing and personal effects. Apparently no one was able to figure out which body was that of the king.

I think you’d enjoy this one:

The Death Ship by B. Traven.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:54:22am

re: #444 ckkatz

Another chapter dealt with the death of a king in a Medieval battle. The bodies could not be recovered until after the battle ended. At which point all had been looted, including all the clothing and personal effects. Apparently no one was able to figure out which body was that of the king.

Interesting - historically, there’s been a few warlords, wannabe god-kings, and adventurer-conquerors who’ve gone missing after a battle. Perhaps most famously, Spartacus: Plutarch, Appian and Florus all claimed that Spartacus died during the Battle of the Silarius River - but Appian also noted that Spartacus’ body was never found or identified.

I’d wager they all shared a similar fate. No one could positively identify them, so they were just chalked up as missing, or missing and presumed dead, or “fate known only to the gods”.

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🔧-wench  Jun 15, 2023 • 10:54:41am

re: #445 🔧-wench

I think you’d enjoy this one:

The Death Ship by B. Traven.

It’s an Easter egg!

A copy of the book was seen as part of the drug-induced wreckage of Raoul Duke’s Flamingo hotel room in the film adaption of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 15, 2023 • 12:56:53pm

re: #374 lawhawk

Just a reminder of what a sleaze ball Loony Luna is.

thedailybeast.com

A damning Washington Post report has questioned several aspects of freshman Rep. Anna Paulina Luna’s (R-FL) life story, from her religious and ethnic identity to her impoverished upbringing. Luna’s claim that she grew up poor and isolated, with her father in and out of prison, was not supported by two relatives who spoke to the Post. Prison records showed a brief stint in custody. When she served at Whiteman Air Force Base a decade ago, she described herself to friends as alternatively Middle Eastern, Jewish or Eastern European, the Post reported. She identified as white in voting records but, after entering the political sphere around 2019, she legally changed her last name from Mayerhofer to her Hispanic mother’s family name of Luna and began identifying as Hispanic. Her claim to have a Messianic Jewish father was also disputed by three relatives and immigration records that indicated Luna’s paternal grandfather was a reluctant soldier in the Nazi regime. Her of-repeated story of enduring a traumatizing “home invasion” at Whiteman was also undercut by police records. Luna’s office declined to address the allegations to the Post. In a tweet on Friday, Luna wrote, “Holy shit the Washington post just tried to claim my dad was never incarcerated, left out comments from my mom, said I was a registered Democrat, and did not report a convo they had with a former roommate, and interviewed ‘family’ I don’t talk to. This is comical.”

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 15, 2023 • 1:14:47pm

re: #391 gocart Mozart

In the showers?


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