Seth Meyers: Special Counsel Jack Smith Calls Trump’s Bluff, Takes Jan. 6 Case to Supreme Court
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Just don’t let DJT get away with abusing the court system to delay and dither.
From MicroSF&F:
“You don’t seem worried,” the dragon sneered. “I assure you, you cannot escape.”
“I will be saved,” the princess said.
“Hah! I eat knights for breakfast!”
“I’m sure you do.”
“So who will save you?”
“I have a cat.”
“Hah! I- Wait. A cat?”
“Yes.”
“Hm. Maybe I’ll just let you go?”
I’ve made the first payment on my Accord. Only 35 more to go.
re: #246 Joe Bacon ✅
Memories of the argument I had with a relative that Noah’s Ark is NOT on Mount Ararat and I sent this to him…
Rockwall got its name from when settlers in the area were digging for wells, and kept running into a rock formation that looked like a wall. The horizontal and vertical cracks gave it the appearance of being built by intelligent creatures.
texashillcountry.com
planetrockwall.com
As you can imagine, the idea that it couldn’t be natural really hung on, rockwallcountymuseum.com. It wasn’t until about 10 years ago that actual scientific analysis was done to determine that it was natural.
re: #3 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
I’ve made the first payment on my Accord. Only 35 more to go.
So Accordion payment plan?
Israeli forces kill 3 hostages after mistaking them as a ‘threat,’ IDF says
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re: #7 jeffreyw
The IDF said the incident happened in an “active combat zone” and that “immediate lessons from the event have been learned.”
Two of the victims were identified as Yotam Haim and Samer Talalka. Both were taken by Hamas from a kibbutz during the Oct. 7 attack. The third person was not publicly identified at the request of their family, according to the IDF.
Too late. Being so afraid that you feel threatened by hostages and kill them is not OK.
Senator Cancun is great at running when the weather gets too cold or the questions get too hot. https://t.co/OVYNHK4LTD
— Jaime Harrison (@harrisonjaime) December 15, 2023
re: #7 jeffreyw
Hmm. WaPo has IDF recovering 3 bodies. It will probably be ironed out later today.
re: #8 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
They can be pricey.
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Hey, wait. I’m pretty sure that’s not a guitar.
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Hey, wait. I’m pretty sure that’s not a guitar.
It says Guitar Center. Are you going to believe the name, or your lying eyes?
/
re: #11 PhillyPretzel ✅
WaPo ping: IDF mistakenly shot 3 Israeli hostages. This is getting worse and worse.
re: #10 Dangerman
Just call him Ted Cruise.
Fancy accordion: $2400.
Pair of earplugs: $2.99.
re: #14 PhillyPretzel ✅
WaPo ping: IDF mistakenly shot 3 Israeli hostages. This is getting worse and worse.
IDF says they felt threatened and killed hostages. I believe them.
America has a similar problem with cowardly police that kill people.
re: #9 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
Too late. Being so afraid that you feel threatened by hostages and kill them is not OK.
The goal of Hamas burying itself in the population was to make them indistinguishable from civilians, to either keep Israel from going after them or to generate these types of stories.
Speaking to new citizens in DC today, Melania Trump says she was having a very difficult time trying to get her US citizenship until “ultimately my journey was streamlined” and she got it. pic.twitter.com/w10DyKPDQ6
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) December 15, 2023
Guess she was the last to figure this out
re: #18 Belafon
The goal of Hamas burying itself in the population was to make them indistinguishable from civilians, to either keep Israel from going after them or to generate these types of stories.
Israel should not have financed Hamas to avoid the threat of peace in the Middle-East. That’s the root of all the killings from the initial attack that their government was warned about to the deaths today.
The Met Is Returning 16 Ancient Sculptures To Cambodia And Thailand Associated With An Indicted Art Traffickerhttps://t.co/KzDAHPw6vv pic.twitter.com/CzH9a6Lyzv
— Forbes (@Forbes) December 15, 2023
The Met has 1000s of objects that were taken from other cultures, countries, and individuals without their permission - they were straight up stolen.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
re: #21 lawhawk
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The Met has 1000s of objects that were taken from other cultures, countries, and individuals without their permission - they were straight up stolen.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
You can make a lot of money in stolen art. I’m sure it’s very exciting right up until the arrest and prosecution.
re: #21 lawhawk
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The Met has 1000s of objects that were taken from other cultures, countries, and individuals without their permission - they were straight up stolen.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
Museums throughout the Western world are all complicit in this crime.
re: #19 Dangerman
Guess she was the last to figure this out
Rando:
Compare how much ink was spilled over Obama’s citizenship to Melania’s. Consider how there never was anything to the Obama story, but Melania openly admits her citizenship was irregular. Then you’ll start to get an idea of how asymmetric news coverage is.
re: #21 lawhawk
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The Met has 1000s of objects that were taken from other cultures, countries, and individuals without their permission - they were straight up stolen.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
Sometimes. Depending on the conditions in their “home” countries, some are Artworks in Sanctuary. Want to give some Buddhas to the Taliban?
re: #25 Decatur Deb
Sometimes. Depending on the conditions in their “home” countries, some are Artworks in Sanctuary. Want to give some Buddhas to the Taliban?
The British Museum says they’re protecting art they stole. Sometimes they’re actually protecting it.
The Taliban destruction upset me at the time, but we can’t expect religious symbols to last when local religions change in religious societies. We should scan them all, because they’re nearly guaranteed to be lost.
re: #20 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
Israel should not have financed Hamas to avoid the threat of peace in the Middle-East. That’s the root of all the killings from the initial attack that their government was warned about to the deaths today.
No, they should not, and neither should we have funded the fighters in Afghanistan against the Soviet invasion, but the response to 9/11 should have never been “Oh, our bad.”
I’m surprised you’ve convinced yourself that such a one-dimensional argument over this conflict is the proper way to view it.
re: #27 HRH Stanley Sea
Holy shit.
They were afraid, like the cop that murdered Tamir Rice.
There’s a lot of guilt to be shared in human societies. As a species, we’re a mess.
Buying a Slew of judges is now just a budgeted line item
Two deep-pocketed conservative organizations paid to send federal judges on 251 trips in 2021 and 2022 — far more than any other source.”
251
And that’s just one source
I wonder if any judge is saying “no”
re: #28 Belafon
No, they should not, and neither should we have funded the fighters in Afghanistan against the Soviet invasion, but the response to 9/11 should have never been “Oh, our bad.”
I’m surprised you’ve convinced yourself that such a one-dimensional argument over this conflict is the proper way to view it.
I haven’t. You’re saying that. I’m clear about the root cause. There are a lot of bad actors, but Israeli leadership wanted Hamas to be strong and so many people are paying for that with their lives.
re: #26 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
When the culture that created art is gone, the artifacts become the property of the world. I’ve been to bungled archaeological sites and museums in northern Greece, and I wouldn’t give the current authorities shit.
re: #30 Dangerman
Buying a Slew of judges is now just a budgeted line item
251
And that’s just one sourceI wonder if any judge is saying “no”
This is fine. After all, they’re the vaunted Moral Majority (tm), they’re just trying to make sure the forces of evil don’t send our country into another age of darkness.
Department of Justice special counsel Jack Smith is requesting court records from a lesser-known case in California, and the dates of records requested line up with the dates that former Donald Trump attorney John Eastman took the stand.Politico reported Thursday that Smith’s team is asking for records from the State Bar Court of California pertaining to Eastman’s disbarment proceedings. The far-right attorney has been in the Golden State defending his law license, which state bar officials are fighting to have stripped in the wake of Eastman’s felony indictment in Fulton County District Court. Smith’s team requested transcripts from October 30th, November 2nd and November 3rd. All three days correspond to days when Eastman was called to testify in-person. Bar officials reportedly asked Eastman about his conversations with Trump and other elected officials as part of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
Smith didn’t disband his grand jury after it indicted the former president. Because Eastman has been revealed to be “co-conspirator #2” in Trump’s indictment, and because Smith’s grand jury has gone quiet in recent weeks, Politico legal correspondent Kyle Cheney wrote that Smith may be planning to indict Eastman as part of his election interference investigation in Washington, DC.
re: #37 Dangerman
We have all met this melonhead
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I like to assume it’s someone having a bad day that spaced out, and would normally not do that, and just let them in. Don’t want to risk triggering road-rage in myself or anyone else.
re: #39 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
I like to assume it’s someone having a bad day that spaced out, and would normally not do that, and just let them in. Don’t want to risk triggering road-rage in myself or anyone else.
I used to be a lot more of a rules enforcer, when I was younger, and I was more stressed from driving around thousands of dangerously stupid people on the freeways through and around the Cities. Now that I spend more time driving on lesser-traveled country roads, I am a bit more laid-back about driving, though I still get irked at people who do stupid shit like this.
re: #37 Dangerman
We have all met this melonhead
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That’s about one in every 10 drivers here in the Metroplex, which is why DFW traffic is so messed up.
It really irks me on the highways when the “lane closed 1 mile” , “lane closed 2500 feet” etc signs are ignored and people get over at the last moment.
re: #40 Nerdy Fish
I used to be a lot more of a rules enforcer, when I was younger, and I was more stressed from driving around thousands of dangerously stupid people on the freeways through and around the Cities. Now that I spend more time driving on lesser-traveled country roads, I am a bit more laid-back about driving, though I still get irked at people who do stupid shit like this.
There was a time when I raged in traffic. I like to think I’m a bit wiser these days.
I’m a big guy, so if someone really sets me off, I could easily mess them up most of the time. I try to make sure that never happens. I’m a lot more afraid of what I could do to other people than of what they could do to me.
re: #29 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
They were afraid, like the cop that murdered Tamir Rice.
There’s a lot of guilt to be shared in human societies. As a species, we’re a mess.
So Chicago was an actual war zone?
The military killing those civilians is bad, but don’t let the cop off that easy.
In the Chicago area, it’s common to see people zooming down the shoulder and then trying to force themselves into the front of a merge.
There are times where it’s obvious the person was unable to get into the proper lane due to the assholes who refuse to let anyone get in front of them or to allow them to merge. I let those folks merge. On the other hand, the idiots who ride the shoulder and then basically try to cut into line don’t get any sympathy from me.
Taking Mrs Cranky to the doctor today, we had people passing us at high speed (when I was doing 80 to match the traffic flow); it was obvious that those folks were going at least 95 to pass us so quickly.
Some idiots don’t understand the concept of kinetic energy or the risks they take driving so close to others (so they have no time to react to problems ahead).
Sigh… trying to straighten out a bill for an ophthalmologist… I call the number on the bill… lady at other end can’t answer details of my questions… gives me the number for the ophthalmologist’s office, which I know from previous attempts will claim to not be able to fix things as that is what billing is supposed to do.
The doctor herself admits that items just pop in and out of the bill.
All of this is just another example of why a straightforward single-payer national system would be not only so much better for the health of Americans, but would eliminate endless waste in medical billing.
re: #46 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Sigh… trying to straighten out a bill for an ophthalmologist… I call the number on the bill… lady at other end can’t answer details of my questions… gives me the number for the ophthalmologist’s office, which I know from previous attempts will claim to not be able to fix things as that is what billing is supposed to do.
The doctor herself admits that items just pop in and out of the bill.
All of this is just another example of why a straightforward single-payer national system would be not only so much better for the health of Americans, but would eliminate endless waste in medical billing.
And such a system should directly incorporate dentistry into any coverage.
Dental insurance isn’t quite a scam, but it’s so damned close in so many ways as to be indistinguishable.
re: #44 Belafon
So Chicago was an actual war zone?
The military killing those civilians is bad, but don’t let the cop off that easy.
Tamir Rice was in Cleveland, and the cop was clearly afraid.
They should not get off the hook at all. They should not be in a role where they’re too afraid and wind up killing innocent people. It’s too late once they’ve killed, and they should face punishment.
re: #39 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
I like to assume it’s someone having a bad day that spaced out, and would normally not do that, and just let them in. Don’t want to risk triggering road-rage in myself or anyone else.
i agree with the second part
the first part is true maybe 20% of the time (imo).
the rest of the time it’s deliberate and calculated
re: #246 Joe Bacon ✅
Memories of the argument I had with a relative that Noah’s Ark is NOT on Mount Ararat and I sent this to him…
Astronaut James Irwin came to my Catholic High School in the early 80’s. I’m certain the school administrators thought “Cool. An astronaut - the kids will love this and he’s not charging a big fee. What a guy.” Turned out he was raising money to go search for the Ark: (upi.com) and, once he got going on about finding the Ark, most of us were like “dude, this guy was an astronaut?”.
Not a lot of young earthers in the Catholic high school community, at least in the 80’s.
re: #42 Belafon
It really irks me on the highways when the “lane closed 1 mile” , “lane closed 2500 feet” etc signs are ignored and people get over at the last moment.
done right, they could literally not stop at all
but that would be cooperation and that leads to socialism
better every man for himself
re: #45 A Cranky One
In the Chicago area, it’s common to see people zooming down the shoulder and then trying to force themselves into the front of a merge.
There are times where it’s obvious the person was unable to get into the proper lane due to the assholes who refuse to let anyone get in front of them or to allow them to merge. I let those folks merge. On the other hand, the idiots who ride the shoulder and then basically try to cut into line don’t get any sympathy from me.
Taking Mrs Cranky to the doctor today, we had people passing us at high speed (when I was doing 80 to match the traffic flow); it was obvious that those folks were going at least 95 to pass us so quickly.
Some idiots don’t understand the concept of kinetic energy or the risks they take driving so close to others (so they have no time to react to problems ahead).
There’s a tendency to think of people who drive slower than you do as stupid, and people who drive faster than you do as crazy, but the people passing at 95 are legit crazy.
re: #51 Dangerman
done right, they could literally not stop at all
but that would be cooperation and that leads to socialismbetter every man for himself
It was proven during the pandemic that cooperation is entirely impossible for a third of the population, even when life is on the line.
re: #46 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
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All of this is just another example of why a straightforward single-payer national system would be not only so much better for the health of Americans, but would eliminate endless waste in medical billing.
But all of that waste and complications is more $profit$ for the medical billing and insurance industry. Any real reform of US health care would eliminate those parasites.
re: #50 dat_said
Astronaut James Irwin came to my Catholic High School in the early 80’s. I’m certain the school administrators thought “Cool. An astronaut - the kids will love this and he’s not charging a big fee. What a guy.” Turned out he was raising money to go search for the Ark: (upi.com) and, once he got going on about finding the Ark, most of us were like “dude, this guy was an astronaut?”.
Not a lot of young earthers in the Catholic high school community, at least in the 80’s.
He came to my aunt’s Foursquare church in the early 80s doing a “presentation” of what he claimed was the ark based on “divine revelations” but it was so obvious that he was just there to grab some cash from the marks.
re: #42 Belafon
It really irks me on the highways when the “lane closed 1 mile” , “lane closed 2500 feet” etc signs are ignored and people get over at the last moment.
My oldest teenager is learning to drive and she is a stickler for the rules, oh my is she ever a stickler for the rules. She gets annoyed when she’s doing the speed limit of 45mph (never 47, never 43) in the right lane on a city street and somebody feels compelled to past her at 55mph. She gets really pleased when she pulls up next to them at the next stoplight.
re: #55 Joe Bacon ✅
He came to my aunt’s Foursquare church in the early 80s doing a “presentation” of what he claimed was the ark based on “divine revelations” but it was so obvious that he was just there to grab some cash from the marks.
I got an autographed picture of him on the moon. I didn’t find out till later that he wanted donations for the autograph. Oh well.
re: #37 Dangerman
We have all met this melonhead
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Other melonheads…the person that approaches an intersection, sees the cars in front of him across the intersection are not moving, but still enters the intersection, only to have the light change and block most of the cross traffic.
Melonhead on steroids…the guy that follows the first melonhead described above, despite seeing said melonhead stopped in the middle of the intersection, light changes and then ALL cross traffic is blocked.
re: #57 dat_said
I got an autographed picture of him on the moon. I didn’t find out till later that he wanted donations for the autograph. Oh well.
Memories of meeting DeForest Kelley and I asked for his autograph and he said, “Sure thing, fella”.
Bones wasn’t in it for the money…
TL;DR The cash is not all coming from (((BeeBee)))
re: #56 dat_said
My oldest teenager is learning to drive and she is a stickler for the rules, oh my is she ever a stickler for the rules. She gets annoyed when she’s doing the speed limit of 45mph (never 47, never 43) in the right lane on a city street and somebody feels compelled to past her at 55mph. She gets really pleased when she pulls up next to them at the next stoplight.
There’s nothing wrong with 43 in a 45 zone. 45 is the max. Explore for the min. Speed kills.
re: #54 EPR-radar
But all of that waste and complications is more $profit$ for the medical billing and insurance industry. Any real reform of US health care would eliminate those parasites.
I work for a healthcare fund that insures culinary and casino workers, and we are not parasites. We identify excessive charges and offer good value to our participants.
re: #55 Joe Bacon ✅
I has an interesting childhood. Could never predict who I’d see at dinner any particular night. One night it was James Irvin. He was telling a story about walking on the moon and going over the edge of a crater to see the moon buggy waiting; his connection to earth.
However, as he got to the part of the story where the moon buggy comes into view, my youngest brother asked “And you discovered it was stripped, right?”. The look on Irvin’s face was priceless. Totally spoiled his narrative.
I had an interesting family.
re: #63 A Cranky One
Cranky one of my fondest memories was when I was 8 and Dad took me to meet LBJ with him. I cocked my head all the way up and was in awe because he was SO TALL! He picked me up and all I could do is say, “Gee Mister President! You’re Tall” and he let out a big belly laugh!
re: #61 wrenchwench
There’s nothing wrong with 43 in a 45 zone. 45 is the max. Explore for the min. Speed kills.
45 is the max on paper. In practice, driving more slowly than traffic is dangerous. You have to adjust to conditions rather than causing a wreck by following a law that is not enforced.
re: #29 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
They were afraid, like the cop that murdered Tamir Rice.
There’s a lot of guilt to be shared in human societies. As a species, we’re a mess.
IDF soldiers in Gaza are under a lot more real threat than the cop that shot Tamir Rice. I think that is a very poor analogy to use.
I’ve gotten a bit callous about the situation and think that to a degree the Israeli government and IDF have written off the people who were taken hostage by HAMAS. They still might get some of them back intact, but I also don’t think that operations against HAMAS will be suspended due to the possibility of hostages getting hurt. (Reminds me a bit of the Soviet reaction to hostages being taken in Lebanon back in the 1980s.)
re: #65 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
45 is the max on paper. In practice, driving more slowly than traffic is dangerous. You have to adjust to conditions rather than causing a wreck by following a law that is not enforced.
My ‘adjustment to conditions’ is to remove myself from said conditions.
re: #66 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
IDF soldiers in Gaza are under a lot more real threat than the cop that shot Tamir Rice. I think that is a very poor analogy to use.
I’ve gotten a bit callous about the situation and think that to a degree the Israeli government and IDF have written off the people who were taken hostage by HAMAS. They still might get some of them back intact, but I also don’t think that operations against HAMAS will be suspended due to the possibility of hostages getting hurt. (Reminds me a bit of the Soviet reaction to hostages being taken in Lebanon back in the 1980s.)
I’m trying to sympathize with IDF based on our own failures. I won’t do that again since it seems to upset people.
Erin In The MorningOn Thursday, The Wall Street Journal published an opinion column by Dr. Roy Eappen, a former Conservative Party of Quebec candidate and member of the anti-trans organization Do No Harm. The column made an audacious claim: most transgender kids are not actually trans, and that being transgender is somehow a form of “conversion therapy” to turn gay kids trans. The article, which relies on disinformation about old studies and being transgender, peddles the widely debunked claim that “80% of transgender youth will desist from being trans” (the real number? 1-3%), and that allowing transgender people to transition “harms gay people.” It even claims that “homophobia” leads to people pushing transition, despite transgender people experiencing significantly lower social acceptance than gay people. For these reasons, the article must be labeled “false.”
The article is extremely light on facts. It asserts that transgender individuals are “transed,” a term that is not recognized in legitimate discourse. Transgender people are inherently transgender; they are not forced into their identity. Eappen then suggests that the supposed act of being “transed” stems from homophobia, proposing that transgender individuals are essentially “just gay.” However, conversations with many transgender individuals often tell a different story. One of the most frequent questions they encounter upon coming out is, “couldn’t you have just been gay?” The societal pressure to conform to this notion is significant, as highlighted by numerous transgender individuals in a /r/asktransgender thread.
re: #39 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
I like to assume it’s someone having a bad day that spaced out, and would normally not do that, and just let them in. Don’t want to risk triggering road-rage in myself or anyone else.
I see it as a combination of over-aggressive driving and a sort of privileged viewpoint where they are allowed to convert a mistake on their part (being in the wrong lane and/or misreading the traffic pattern) into being a inconvenience (and potential hazard) to others who are expected to gracefully accept their intrusion and breaking of normal consideration.
When people like this appear in multiples in close proximity is when the accidents happen.
re: #42 Belafon
It really irks me on the highways when the “lane closed 1 mile” , “lane closed 2500 feet” etc signs are ignored and people get over at the last moment.
In PA some of those merges have signs that say to go to end of the open space before merging.
The key is having some patience and expecting to do alternate cars at the merge point. It’s not hard to slow slightly and have that space open when you get there to allow a smooth merge without losing a lot of speed. (Of course every so often the second car on the merging lane wants to slip in as well and get *one car* ahead for some reason instead of waiting their turn.)
re: #72 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
In PA some of those merges have signs that say to go to end of the open space before merging.
The key is having some patience and expecting to do alternate cars at the merge point. It’s not hard to slow slightly and have that space open when you get there to allow a smooth merge without losing a lot of speed. (Of course every so often the second car on the merging lane wants to slip in as well and get *one car* ahead for some reason instead of waiting their turn.)
Also known as a “zipper merge,” which is the law in this state, at least. Not that anyone pays attention to that; they all want to do what you described, slip in ahead of the car they’re supposed to merge behind.
re: #64 Joe Bacon ✅
I had the opportunity to talk with/debate with many amazing folks (and some not so amazing folks) growing up. It’s great fun to debate theology with a drunk Jesuit or an imam or a rabbi after a good dinner.
On the other hand, I remember being pissed at being unable to use the guest room because fucking Billy Graham hadn’t left yet.
In part because of my background, I had a lot of fun arguing with theology students when my dad was completing his Doctorate of Divinity degree at Vanderbilt.
My dad later asked me to not argue theology with folks. I guess people didn’t like my questions. But I’ve kept that promise, although I met folks who deserved to be humbled for their idiocy.
Having said that, I had the opportunity to meet some amazing folks whose faith (of different religions) led them to a life of service to their fellow persons.
Bottom line for me was did their actions match their words. Those whose actions did earned my respect. The ones whose words weren’t in sync with their actions got deserved disrespect.
re: #45 A Cranky One
In the Chicago area, it’s common to see people zooming down the shoulder and then trying to force themselves into the front of a merge.
There are times where it’s obvious the person was unable to get into the proper lane due to the assholes who refuse to let anyone get in front of them or to allow them to merge. I let those folks merge. On the other hand, the idiots who ride the shoulder and then basically try to cut into line don’t get any sympathy from me.
Taking Mrs Cranky to the doctor today, we had people passing us at high speed (when I was doing 80 to match the traffic flow); it was obvious that those folks were going at least 95 to pass us so quickly.
Some idiots don’t understand the concept of kinetic energy or the risks they take driving so close to others (so they have no time to react to problems ahead).
Passing on the shoulder to get to a merge point or exit lane is a good way to get the attention of a state trooper. (Especially in VA near DC.) The shoulder in congested traffic is supposed to be kept clear to allow for passage of emergency vehicles.
re: #28 Belafon
No, they should not, and neither should we have funded the fighters in Afghanistan against the Soviet invasion, but the response to 9/11 should have never been “Oh, our bad.”
I’m surprised you’ve convinced yourself that such a one-dimensional argument over this conflict is the proper way to view it.
Our mistake wasn’t in funding the Afghan freedom fighters, it was washing our hands of the situation entirely once the fighting was over and refusing to help rebuild the shattered country.
re: #77 Vicious Babushka
That is good news.
re: #56 dat_said
My oldest teenager is learning to drive and she is a stickler for the rules, oh my is she ever a stickler for the rules. She gets annoyed when she’s doing the speed limit of 45mph (never 47, never 43) in the right lane on a city street and somebody feels compelled to past her at 55mph. She gets really pleased when she pulls up next to them at the next stoplight.
any melonhead can stomp on a gas pedal
doesnt take any brains, finesse, or skill
it takes an expert driver to maintain the speed limit smoothly and continuously ;-)
re: #58 Mike Lamb
Other melonheads…the person that approaches an intersection, sees the cars in front of him across the intersection are not moving, but still enters the intersection, only to have the light change and block most of the cross traffic.
Melonhead on steroids…the guy that follows the first melonhead described above, despite seeing said melonhead stopped in the middle of the intersection, light changes and then ALL cross traffic is blocked.
yup
not supposed to enter an intersection if you cant exit unimpeded
re: #79 Dangerman
any melonhead can stomp on a gas pedal
doesnt take any brains, finesse, or skillit takes an expert driver to maintain the speed limit smoothly and continuously ;-)
That or adaptive cruise control. I use cruise control a lot.
re: #80 JC1
So they’re just shooting every adult male they see?
That’s a leap. I’d expect more dead hostages if that were the case.
re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
“I do my research on the shitter!”
Aka “Poogling”
re: #29 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
They were afraid, like the cop that murdered Tamir Rice.
There’s a lot of guilt to be shared in human societies. As a species, we’re a mess.
Lots of cop training in the US is done by IDF people.
re: #80 JC1
So they’re just shooting every adult male they see?
More like the reason why combatants should clearly mark themselves as such (e.g. uniform), and not fight in civvie clothes (like Hamas et al.), exacerbated by Hamas et al. often being “unarmed” but wearing suicide vests.
Curve balls could be the Hebrew-speaking hostages not understanding orders being shouted in Arabic by the soldiers and acting “wrong”, or Hamas letting the hostages go with the intent of drawing fire…
re: #48 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
Tamir Rice was in Cleveland, and the cop was clearly afraid.
They should not get off the hook at all. They should not be in a role where they’re too afraid and wind up killing innocent people. It’s too late once they’ve killed, and they should face punishment.
The cop was afraid? Huh? The car hadn’t even come to a stop when he started shooting.
Plus, based on his previous “stellar record,” the cop shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.
re: #86 Teukka
More like the reason why combatants should clearly mark themselves as such (e.g. uniform), and not fight in civvie clothes (like Hamas et al.), exacerbated by Hamas et al. often being “unarmed” but wearing suicide vests.
Curve balls could be the Hebrew-speaking hostages not understanding orders being shouted in Arabic by the soldiers and acting “wrong”, or Hamas letting the hostages go with the intent of drawing fire…
Charging Hamas for not following the rules of war probably won’t help. The potential rescuers need to be brave, so they don’t shoot the wrong people. This appears to be the case most of the time, since we’re not hearing about hostages killed by IDF constantly.
re: #81 Dangerman
yup
not supposed to enter an intersection if you cant exit unimpeded
One of the few times I flipped the bird at a driver behind me was one honking his horn at me for not entering (and blocking) an intersection because the lanes on the far side were not clear yet. The light did turn red while I was waiting.
The fun thing to watch for around here is the infamous “Pittsburgh Left”.
There’s a tiny little evergreen growing from a crack in the median of the vine street expressway. Someone decorated it.
re: #86 Teukka
More like the reason why combatants should clearly mark themselves as such (e.g. uniform), and not fight in civvie clothes (like Hamas et al.), exacerbated by Hamas et al. often being “unarmed” but wearing suicide vests.
Curve balls could be the Hebrew-speaking hostages not understanding orders being shouted in Arabic by the soldiers and acting “wrong”, or Hamas letting the hostages go with the intent of drawing fire…
Do hamas also run around in PRESS vests, because the IDF is racking up journalist numbers as well.
re: #73 Nerdy Fish
Also known as a “zipper merge,” which is the law in this state, at least. Not that anyone pays attention to that; they all want to do what you described, slip in ahead of the car they’re supposed to merge behind.
re: #87 BeachDem
The cop was afraid? Huh? The car hadn’t even come to a stop when he started shooting.
Plus, based on his previous “stellar record,” the cop shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.
He absolutely should not have been hired, and training should be better.
Yes, I think the cop was afraid. He didn’t just shoot a random black kid for laughs. He shot a black kid while imagining that the kid had a real gun. He’s part of a culture that has been telling people that a black man’s body is a weapon. We’re a mess.
Fuck the GOP. Fuck the Ohio GOP too.
They pick a candidate to run for a House seat, and the candidate trashes Trump.
Instead of supporting the candidate, they are in full damage control mode because the less preferred GOP candidate is a full on Qanon conspiracy nut, and they’re trying to keep Trump from backing in the primary.
This is the GOP in a nutshell. They’ve got extremists, cowards, and bullies, and they can’t tack to the middle when their base considers that the unforgiveable and cardinal sin. They don’t have any policies beyond tax cuts for billionaires and stripping civil and voting rights from those they hate (women, POC, minorities generally, and those who aren’t their version of Christian come in for special ire too). They can’t point to legislative achievements in Congress, given that their sole focus is in on trying to smear Biden with impeachment, and they teeter between complete sabotage/obstruction of government, and farce in a complete inability to govern their own fucking caucus.
It is all so exhausting. So much easier to curse out the GOP, because they richly deserve it.
re: #56 dat_said
My oldest teenager is learning to drive and she is a stickler for the rules, oh my is she ever a stickler for the rules. She gets annoyed when she’s doing the speed limit of 45mph (never 47, never 43) in the right lane on a city street and somebody feels compelled to past her at 55mph. She gets really pleased when she pulls up next to them at the next stoplight.
I’ve noticed my behavior on my way to work depends in large part on how getting on the highway goes. If I’m able to get on the highway without too much fuss, I tend to put it on cruise control and then laugh as I pass someone who had earlier went racing past me because they got themselves stuck in a cluster that was going slow. On the other hand, if I get on and one car is weaving in and out of traffic while another car is doing the “slow down as I pass a semi and then speed up afterwards” thing, my “where did you learn to drive?” kicks in and all on want to do is be in front of them.
re: #37 Dangerman
We have all met this melonhead
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people used to do that shit on robert e. lee where it closed down to one-lane each way going over the canal to metarie. It was always kind of joyous to see stranded motorists sitting over in the left lane with their right blinkers on, praying that one of us would let them in. And of course, it was a big city, so none of us would. But it was also the South, so we smiled and nodded while passing them.
re: #65 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
45 is the max on paper. In practice, driving more slowly than traffic is dangerous. You have to adjust to conditions rather than causing a wreck by following a law that is not enforced.
my view is the opposite.
if i’m more or less obeying the law, i dont move, speed, get out of the way, or do anything dangerous so someone else (or everyone else) can more easily break the law.
the rules are there for a reason (sometimes several reasons) and the only safe and valid assumption is that they are predominantly followed by everyone. otherwise it’s road warrior anarchy.
people dont get to choose which ones matter or which ones every one else can break.
people tend to stop at lights because the risk not to is high.
and still i see people all the time make left u-turns through clearly red left turn arrows because no one’s coming the other way at that moment.
however:
having survived 40+ years on a motorcycle i assume no one follows the rules. a stop sign will not protect me, and i clear all green light intersections before i go through. right of way is meaningless in a crash.
depending on the type of road, i regularly check the rearview for the rare melonhead approaching at 20+ mph over the limit, but i do not move unless it is safe for me to do so and at my convenience.
just one dangerman’s opinion
re: #96 lawhawk
Fuck the GOP. Fuck the Ohio GOP too.
It really is that simple. The Republican party is a cesspit of Satan whose complete degeneration into Nazis v2.0 is inevitable. The only question is how long that will take.
re: #89 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
One of the few times I flipped the bird at a driver behind me was one honking his horn at me for not entering (and blocking) an intersection because the lanes on the far side were not clear yet. The light did turn red while I was waiting.
The fun thing to watch for around here is the infamous “Pittsburgh Left”.
Years ago, someone ran me into oncoming traffic, and then flipped me off to add insult to attempted manslaughter.
I chased them down, and stopped them before realizing that a very stupid young woman had just tried to kill me and then picked a fight. I was ready to tear a man to pieces, but I just got back in my car and left after being shocked that this tiny girl was trying to get herself killed. That’s when I calmed down in traffic.
re: #60 Vicious Babushka
TL;DR The cash is not all coming from (((BeeBee)))
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That article is a start. Next I want to see one about Hamas profiting from Palestinian labor all over the middle east and beyond.
re: #42 Belafon
It really irks me on the highways when the “lane closed 1 mile” , “lane closed 2500 feet” etc signs are ignored and people get over at the last moment.
What you aren’t understanding is that it’s a competition. They wait to the last second so as to get in front of a bunch of others in order to determine who has the biggest dick.
Or, is the biggest dick. I get them confused.
re: #58 Mike Lamb
Other melonheads…the person that approaches an intersection, sees the cars in front of him across the intersection are not moving, but still enters the intersection, only to have the light change and block most of the cross traffic.
Melonhead on steroids…the guy that follows the first melonhead described above, despite seeing said melonhead stopped in the middle of the intersection, light changes and then ALL cross traffic is blocked.
I have once gotten to experience a cop blue-lighting someone doing that in an intersection with the fine for doing that clearly marked. I’ve also had the pleasure of seeing someone go jetting by me in the turning lane, only to have the police suv three or four cars in front of me blue-light them and clearly, from the interaction at the window, give absolute hell to the driver.
re: #99 Dangerman
my view is the opposite.
if i’m more or less obeying the law, i dont move, speed, get out of the way, or do anything dangerous so someone else (or everyone else) can more easily break the law.
You should keep in mind that you’re not law enforcement, and not even law enforcement would try to cause an accident by driving slower than traffic. They pull people over for going ten over instead of one over for a reason.
re: #97 Belafon
I cut my teeth driving on the mean streets of NYC. Defensive driving is the required minimum, and learning how to merge and read driver behavior is essential to staying safe and getting to your destination.
That said, driving on some of the California freeways with 6-7 lanes is crazy (I know, we’ve got stretches of the GSP that have 6-7 lanes, and the NJ Turnpike is technically 6 lanes in each direction for stretches, but the Turnpike is broken out in to car/truck lanes, and I prefer the truck lanes because those drivers have more “training” than cars, plus drafting).
Driving in NYC is stress-relief for me. Focus on the road and cars around you. Not about anything else. It’s a zen thing.
re: #82 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
That or adaptive cruise control. I use cruise control a lot.
before cruise control and when the national speed limit was absurd, we’d wedge a “55 rock” against the gas pedal…
(no we really didnt)
re: #101 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
Years ago, someone ran me into oncoming traffic, and then flipped me off to add insult to attempted manslaughter.
I chased them down, and stopped them before realizing that a very stupid young woman had just tried to kill me and then picked a fight. I was ready to tear a man to pieces, but I just got back in my car and left after being shocked that this tiny girl was trying to get herself killed. That’s when I calmed down in traffic.
I calmed down in traffic after I flipped someone off in LA for being a giant gaping asshole, and then this assclown tailed me most of the way to work, and even bumped my car at a stop light. I’m absolutely convinced if the other driver had a gun, he’d have shot me.
re: #88 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
Charging Hamas for not following the rules of war probably won’t help. The potential rescuers need to be brave, so they don’t shoot the wrong people. This appears to be the case most of the time, since we’re not hearing about hostages killed by IDF constantly.
I know, but cries of war crimes in this conflict are relatively one-sided, when it’s occurring on both sides, especially with Hamas et al. (just from Hamas et al.’s own material, 14 types of war crimes so far):
* War crime of wilfully causing great suffering
* War crime of taking hostages
* War crime of attacking civilians
* War crime of attacking civilian objects
* War crime of wilful killing
* War crime of attacking undefended places
* War crime of improper use of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions
* War crime of pillaging
* War crime of outrages upon personal dignity
* War crime of sexual violence
* War crime of using protected persons as shields
* War crime of using, conscripting or enlisting children
* War crime of perfidy
* War crime of attacking objects or persons using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions
re: #93 JC1
Do hamas also run around in PRESS vests, because the IDF is racking up journalist numbers as well.
Would not surprise me if they’ve tried that, sadly.
re: #108 EPR-radar
I calmed down in traffic after I flipped someone off in LA for being a giant gaping asshole, and then this assclown tailed me most of the way to work, and even bumped my car at a stop light. I’m absolutely convinced if the other driver had a gun, he’d have shot me.
Road rage is so dangerous.
You shook a memory loose. I got tailed once, and just drove to the police station to solve the problem. Most people do not like being arrested, and no one got arrested.
re: #80 JC1
So they’re just shooting every adult male they see?
One of them was a Bedouin, probably “looked” Palestinian.
I missed this yesterday: the Dr. Emmanuel Bilirakis National Plan to End Parkinson’s Act passed the US House on a 407-9 vote (all nays are R). Not sure when the Senate will vote on the bill. The National Plan to End Parkinson’s Act is modeled after the successful National Alzheimer’s Plan which laid the groundwork for a quadrupling of federal research investment in Alzheimer’s.
re: #100 EPR-radar
It really is that simple. The Republican party is a cesspit of Satan whose complete degeneration into Nazis v2.0 is inevitable. The only question is how long that will take.
You’re not being fair to Satan by lumping him in with the GOP.
re: #95 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
He absolutely should not have been hired, and training should be better.
Yes, I think the cop was afraid. He didn’t just shoot a random black kid for laughs. He shot a black kid while imagining that the kid had a real gun. He’s part of a culture that has been telling people that a black man’s body is a weapon. We’re a mess.
Tamir Rice did not have enough time to remove his hands from his pockets before being shot and his hands were not visible to the officer…Previous reports concluded that Loehmann shot Tamir within two seconds of opening his car door. The new analysis determined it happened even faster, within less than a second, according to the review by California-based shooting reconstruction expert Jesse Wobrock.
I believe hie DID just shoot a random black kid for laughs.
re: #113 JC1
You’re not being fair to Satan by lumping him in with the GOP.
It’s also unfair to Nazis, in some respects. E.g., the Nazis weren’t so fucking stupid.
I mean the primary blame for the hostages deaths lies with Hamas for taking them hostage.
However if you’re going to have a Prime Minister who invokes Amalek then you shouldn’t act surprised when decisions made in the field become real fuckin’ ugly. Also, trigger happy soldiers shooting three unarmed young men running from their captors is a fractal detail replicated iteratively and at ever greater scale within a war zone where dropping, by US intelligence estimates, at least 17400 unguided air to ground bombs in the most densely populated region on Earth constitutes a cleared rule of engagement. We as First World citizens are psychologically conditioned to view the intimate interpersonal killing performed with small arms as somehow far more heinous than standoff “collateral damage” inflicted by aerial bombardment. As The Ghost of a Flea said recently, “Only Guernica was Guernica.”
re: #99 Dangerman
having survived 40+ years on a motorcycle i assume no one follows the rules. a stop sign will not protect me, and i clear all green light intersections before i go through. right of way is meaningless in a crash.
I rode for 30 years with only a single accident (I was a victim of a car not paying attention to stopped traffic). I survived by following the basic rule that no one in a car can see me. I never assumed somebody would stop at an intersection, would not turn right in front of me, or would not cross multiple lanes, including the one I was in, in order to take an exit. Being alert, covering the brake at all times, and knowing what is around you are the keys to safe(r) riding. I also learned not to rage when some bonehead did something egregiously stupid. At the end of the day, it just wasn’t worth it. That and a 3000 pound car always trumps an 600 pound motorcycle.
Goodnight, y’all. I am shutting down for Shabbat.
One of the things that irked Ms. Cyborg and I when driving in LA was the distinct lack of advance green lights at many intersections.
God help you if you have to make a left. Your only option is to barrel through after the light turns yellow and hope some dipshit in the oncoming lane isn’t speeding up to beat the red.
re: #114 BeachDem
Tamir Rice did not have enough time to remove his hands from his pockets before being shot and his hands were not visible to the officer…Previous reports concluded that Loehmann shot Tamir within two seconds of opening his car door. The new analysis determined it happened even faster, within less than a second, according to the review by California-based shooting reconstruction expert Jesse Wobrock.
I believe hie DID just shoot a random black kid for laughs.
I don’t.
re: #119 Vicious Babushka
A Good Shabbat to you and your family.
re: #99 Dangerman
if i’m more or less obeying the law, i dont move, speed, get out of the way, or do anything dangerous so someone else (or everyone else) can more easily break the law.
the rules are there for a reason (sometimes several reasons) and the only safe and valid assumption is that they are predominantly followed by everyone. otherwise it’s road warrior anarchy.
If you’re doing the speed limit in the left lane on most highways, you can get a ticket if everyone is having to swing around you because slower traffic is generally required to keep right. Doing the speed limit on 635 in Dallas can cause all sorts of problems. People suddenly running up on you hitting their breaks causing a massive backup.
Edit: as I told some people who moved to the area: don’t be the fastest car on the road, and don’t be the slowest.
re: #107 Dangerman
before cruise control and when the national speed limit was absurd, we’d wedge a “55 rock” against the gas pedal…
(no we really didnt)
We only do that when running SUVs into the quarry for entertainment on a Saturday night.
They bounce better than regular cars do. The crowd loves that.
re: #58 Mike Lamb
Other melonheads…the person that approaches an intersection, sees the cars in front of him across the intersection are not moving, but still enters the intersection, only to have the light change and block most of the cross traffic.
Melonhead on steroids…the guy that follows the first melonhead described above, despite seeing said melonhead stopped in the middle of the intersection, light changes and then ALL cross traffic is blocked.
Growing up, I was taught to pull out and wait. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned that it’s not a good thing, and so I don’t and I taught my kids the correct way. Except at one intersection in Rockwall, where they don’t have a left turn arrow and the traffic gets bad enough that you can’t turn left if you sit and wait, which is a big problem trying to get to school.
re: #105 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈
You should keep in mind that you’re not law enforcement, and not even law enforcement would try to cause an accident by driving slower than traffic. They pull people over for going ten over instead of one over for a reason.
‘the rules’ are the only thing everyone is *supposed* to be able to count on.
it’s the only possible constant.
anything else is a justification for why this rule doesnt apply to me.
i dont follow the rules as a means to enforce the driving laws.
they are the driving laws.
i want people to be able to predict what I’m going to do.
unless otherwise posted, the speed limit in all lanes is the same. there is no fast or slow lane.
so multi lane highway, you pass on the left, when and if you can *safely*. you’re not supposed to be camping / driving in the left lane.
multi-lane surface streets, there generally is no ‘passing’ lane concept.
usually, i don’t believe driving the speed limit is any kind of hazard. especially, again depending on roadway (surface streets vs highway), # of lanes, weather, and only some traffic is moving about 10mph over. because *everyone* isnt.
i grew up on long island.
i’ve driven / commuted to/in NYC for a lot of years. car and motorcycle.
So lets be clear: *none* of this applies to driving in cities or during rush hours.
the traffic is far too voluminous and chaotic to be pedantic about things.
as for pulling people over, i suspect more than 10 over is way easier to prove.
i dare anyone to pull me over and cite me for legally driving the speed limit and arguing to a judge that i was a road hazard. then again, these days… who knows depending on who appointed them. then again, again, it is traffic court…
long ago, I wrote extensively about this on another forum. i might have those posts somewhere.
that’s all i got time for today
re: #118 sizzzzlerz
I rode for 30 years with only a single accident (I was a victim of a car not paying attention to stopped traffic). I survived by following the basic rule that no one in a car can see me. I never assumed somebody would stop at an intersection, would not turn right in front of me, or would not cross multiple lanes, including the one I was in, in order to take an exit. Being alert, covering the brake at all times, and knowing what is around you are the keys to safe(r) riding. I also learned not to rage when some bonehead did something egregiously stupid. At the end of the day, it just wasn’t worth it. That and a 3000 pound car always trumps an 600 pound motorcycle.
+1
re: #123 Belafon
If you’re doing the speed limit in the left lane on most highways, you can get a ticket if everyone is having to swing around you because slower traffic is generally required to keep right. Doing the speed limit on 635 in Dallas can cause all sorts of problems. People suddenly running up on you hitting their breaks causing a massive backup.
Edit: as I told some people who moved to the area: don’t be the fastest car on the road, and don’t be the slowest.
about to logout
i addressed this below, er above
and you’re right
when a sign is posted, it’s keep right except to pass.
most people forget the second part like that pesky clause in the 2A.
generally though the actual speed limit is the same in all lanes.
and also - none of what i wrote applies in cities or rush hours.
re: #128 Dangerman
about to logout
i addressed this below, er above
and you’re rightwhen a sign is posted, it’s keep right except to pass.
most people forget the second part like that pesky clause in the 2A.
generally though the actual speed limit is the same in all lanes.and also - none of what i wrote applies in cities or rush hours.
If you happen to be on certain stretches of the Autobahn, DO NOT drive in the left lane if you’re going less than like 150 (mph, not kph).
re: #129 JC1
If you happen to be on certain stretches of the Autobahn, DO NOT drive in the left lane if you’re going less than like 150 (mph, not kph).
They have a whole different idea of what’s stupid, and what’s crazy.
re: #129 JC1
If you happen to be on certain stretches of the Autobahn, DO NOT drive in the left lane if you’re going less than like 150 (mph, not kph).
I’ve driven on the Autobahn at about 20 mph…in a column of armored vehicles. All cars slowed down to pass us.
re: #129 JC1
If you happen to be on certain stretches of the Autobahn, DO NOT drive in the left lane if you’re going less than like 150 (mph, not kph).
I drove on the Autobahn once, in a rented Mercedes, and going that fast is intense. Things come up on you much faster.
I remember quickly looking down at the speedometer once and it said 130 mph. And there were cars passing me.
GRAND TOTAL: Rudy Giuliani has been ordered to pay about $148 million in damages to Ruby FREEMAN and Shaye MOSS.
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) December 15, 2023
$148 million judgment against Rudy Giuliani.
He probably didn’t help his case by continuing to publicly say he was right and told the truth.
re: #90 jaunte
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If it’s the Philly Vine Street Expressway, I salute this person’s courage and their insanity. Not the worst highway in Philly, but there’s little room to maneuver and it is never not busy.
re: #134 Charles Johnson
$148 million judgment against Rudy Giuliani.
He probably didn’t help his case by continuing to publicly say he was right and told the truth.
America’s Mayor, please proceed.
re: #137 Charles Johnson
$148 million is gonna sting a bit.
With the right accountant, that’ll buff right out. Paid in advance. About $140 mil.
Protest in Tel Aviv right now.
Organized by hostage families apparently.
Edited.
re: #99 Dangerman
having survived 40+ years on a motorcycle i assume no one follows the rules. a stop sign will not protect me, and i clear all green light intersections before i go through. right of way is meaningless in a crash.
Same. I log 15K miles a year on my motorcycle, and my survival is *completely* dependent on my awareness of “cagers” (motorcycle slang for cars) and their idiocy. Keeping your head on a swivel is the minimum requirement.
I love that they’ve codified lane splitting in Cali. You are less likely to be hit in stop-n-go traffic in Cali than any other state in the nation. There are, of course, the knuckleheads on sport bikes doing 80 in stop-n-go situations…they’ll be organ donors soon enough.
re: #87 BeachDem
The cop was afraid? Huh? The car hadn’t even come to a stop when he started shooting.
Plus, based on his previous “stellar record,” the cop shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.
It’s the fog of war in Gaza; Tamir Rice was another example of widespread racism in the American police force.
Re: earlier discussion concerning the Bibi funding of Hamas. I thought the main reason was to derail the 2-state solution, the only one that has an ultimate chance of working. The Bibi coalition doesn’t favor a single democratic state because most of its members want the Arabs to leave the territory entirely and not be citizens.
re: #137 Charles Johnson
$148 million is gonna sting a bit.
That sting is likely to be seriously blunted by the fact that Rudy probably would have trouble coughing up $148, still less $148mill.
Though being ruined into bankruptcy by this judgment is only justice: for a change….
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