Laura Marling: “Song for Our Daughter” (With 12 Ensemble @ Royal ALbert Hall 2020)

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Mercury Prize-nominated artist Laura Marling teams up with pioneering strings-based collective the 12 Ensemble for a retrospective journey through her back catalogue, as well as showcasing tracks from her 2020 album, Song for Our Daughter. Featuring brand-new string arrangements by Rob Moose.

In her first Prom as a headliner, Laura will perform an acoustic set accompanied by brand new string arrangements from the unconducted 12 Ensemble.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:17:44am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:17:56am

Yep, embedded tweets are dead.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:26:19am

Mastodon

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mmmirele  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:28:12am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Yep, embedded tweets are dead.

But cut and paste are not. :)

Jay, your cat is so adorable. I see she’s on a laptop. You shouldn’t let her get used to that, or she might want to make it her permanent sleeping location.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:30:25am

Mastodon

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Unabogie  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:32:14am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Ha, not to dox myself but I know Anna in real life.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:35:21am

And here’s what’s causing embedded tweets to fail: the page “cdn.syndication.twimg.com” is throwing a 404 Not Found error.

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mmmirele  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:41:44am

Sharing this in case people are interested. It’s tomorrow at 2:30 pm EDT.

stopthecoup2025.org

I wish I could say this was a joke, but it’s not a joke. I’m going to attend and at least hear them out. I encourage others to do so as well.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:46:20am

Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind, because we have an ex-president endorsed by the entire GOP who is OPENLY promising to become a dictator and is OPENLY laying plans to use the military to murder any protesters, but the whole country is just acting like it’s no big deal.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:47:41am

New conspiracy theory:
Is Elon baiting a giant trap? Immigrant, electric car promoter and sciencey federal contractor Elon Musk seems an odd choice to be risking so much for the freeze peach rights of patriotic MAGA-merkins and their
Christian Nationalist allies. Could the whole X/twitter affair be a ploy by Soros and other rootless cosmopolites to incite these patriot to reveal themselves and share their personal information so they can be “dealt with” later?

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Unabogie  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:50:15am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind, because we have an ex-president endorsed by the entire GOP who is OPENLY promising to become a dictator and is OPENLY laying plans to use the military to murder any protesters, but the whole country is just acting like it’s no big deal.

I worry that a TON of people are acting like this isn’t a giant threat to democracy. Not just centrists who think their whole worth is wrapped up in being “rational about politics” but on the Left, we’re already seeing the refusal to vote for Biden based on Gaza, which he has no control over. It’s insanity.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:57:40am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Yep, embedded tweets are dead.

Musk is going to hold them for ransom.

I’m surprised Xitter hadn’t long ago stopped no-charge embedded tweets.

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Jay C  Dec 16, 2023 • 11:59:10am

re: #4 mmmirele

But cut and paste are not. :)

Jay, your cat is so adorable. I see she’s on a laptop. You shouldn’t let her get used to that, or she might want to make it her permanent sleeping location.

It’s not turned on: but as usual, any object or surface in our house that gets re-purposed as a cat bed, pretty much has to stay that way…

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silverdolphin  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:02:41pm

Mayim Bialik’s stance on vaccines seems to have changed. She and her kids are now fully vaccinated against COVID. And this suggests that she was not anti-vac before just cautious.

Nice to see some people can alter their views. I never liked her on Jeopardy because she just was not as quick as Ken on responses, as though she was having to check to see if the response was correct.

Ken always seems to know the answer is rght or wrong without checking. Probably because that is the truth.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:02:47pm

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:05:24pm

DEBONAIR PORFIRIO RUBIROSA

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Unabogie  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:08:31pm

re: #15 Backwoods Sleuth

[Embedded content]

One man and one woman, just like Trump and Giuliani and Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh!

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:10:58pm

re: #15 Backwoods Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Great clipboards cut alike. Yours pastes better. I get distracted easily.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:13:16pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Great clipboards cut alike. Yours pastes better. I get distracted easily.

it’s actually a Mastodon embed

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:13:38pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:15:16pm

Porfirio Rubirosa - Wikipedia

Porfirio Rubirosa Ariza (January 22, 1909 - July 5, 1965) was a Dominican diplomat, race car driver, soldier and polo player. He was a supporter of dictator Rafael Trujillo, and was also a political assassin under his regime.[2] Rubirosa made his mark as an international playboy for his jetsetting lifestyle and his legendary sexual prowess with women.[3] His five spouses included two of the richest women in the world.[4]

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:18:12pm

International playboy, diplomat, race car driver, polo player, and assassin.

Porfirio covered the waterfront.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:20:04pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Yep, embedded tweets are dead.

Musk’s understanding of capitalism: “Why should Twitter support a feature no one else has?”

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:27:54pm

re: #17 Unabogie

One man and one woman, just like Trump and Giuliani and Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh!

at a time!

My niece’s new au pair, a young woman from Brazil, arrived a couple weeks ago. She is apprehensive because this is her first time out of the country AND she’s never experienced temperatures below 50. She did learn that the native Chicagoans are viewing our temperatures in the 30’s and 40’s as being mild. It will be a challenge when she’s facing driving on the icy roads or snow covered roads that await us.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:29:49pm

re: #11 Unabogie

I worry that a TON of people are acting like this isn’t a giant threat to democracy. Not just centrists who think their whole worth is wrapped up in being “rational about politics” but on the Left, we’re already seeing the refusal to vote for Biden based on Gaza, which he has no control over. It’s insanity.

If you’re looking for flimsy excuses to not vote for Biden, you never really planned on voting for him in the first place.

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:30:19pm

Mastodon

Mastodon

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:33:44pm

A passing of note: Kenpachiro Satsuma, who was the suit actor behind Hedorah, Gigan and ultimately, Godzilla, has died at the age of 76.

crunchyroll.com

And with that, time for me to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards and stay healthy.

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Unabogie  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:35:33pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

If you’re looking for flimsy excuses to not vote for Biden, you never really planned on voting for him in the first place.

Sure, but…why not?

What kinds of dire threats to democracy and the rule of law and the rights of women and LGBT people would it take to make someone vote for someone they kind of dislike in order to just minimize the severe harm at stake here?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:41:09pm

Spotted outside a hardware store earlier on my Saturday errand running:

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silverdolphin  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:42:20pm

3 hostages mistakenly killed by Israeli troops had been holding a white flag, military officials say

This gets worse every day. They were shirtless, holding a white flag with ther hands up, to show they were unarmed. Two were killed immediately. The third, screaming ‘Help” n Hebrew, ran back into a building, one that had “SOS” and “Help! Three hostages” marked on it. Even after told to stop firing by a commander, the IDF soldiers followed him into the building, shouted at him to come forward and shot him as soon as he emerged from hiding. I really hope these initial reports are wrong but it does not sound like it.

And the most the IDF can say it that it was “against our rules of engagement.” Maybe they will have more to say after their investigation is complete.

But this certainly reflects a military that seems out of control (ie not following an order to stop firing).

This may be falling into the “Kill them all and let God sort them out” style of war. Like My Lai, anyone not in a military uniform is free to kill.

Hell, this could be a new path for Hamas - release the hostages a few at a time like this and watch them get killed by friendly fire.

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:42:41pm

Our local place finally reopened under new ownership. All the teak is gone, covered with fake marble, and it feels a bit like a valley person’s idea of what a harbor bar should look like, but the food didn’t suck (hate square plates though) and they have a few decent tequilas.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:46:25pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

If you’re looking for flimsy excuses to not vote for Biden, you never really planned on voting for him in the first place.

You underestimate how gullible and ignorant the average American is. Most aren’t paying any interest to politics at this time — after all not a single primary vote has yet been cast — though many are concerned about Biden’s age. Meanwhile, the new Benghazi investigations are working to persuade voters that Biden is as corrupt as Trump. And let’s not forget the standard extreme left philosophy that somehow having a fascist president will persuade enough voters next time to support whoever their socialist icon is at that time.

The Trump cult keeps on claiming that it’s Biden who’s the fascist not their leader.

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:47:03pm

re: #31 darthstar

Someone that tears out teak and substitutes fake marble deserves to fail. UGH!

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:47:15pm

Mastodon

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:52:58pm

re: #28 Unabogie

Sure, but…why not?

What kinds of dire threats to democracy and the rule of law and the rights of women and LGBT people would it take to make someone vote for someone they kind of dislike in order to just minimize the severe harm at stake here?

I’ve heard a few “Biden unpopular” interview/group chats, and the best the interviewers can come up with is, “Well, I don’t really like what Biden is doing, but if it’s DT or Biden, of course I’ll vote for Biden.” No matter how hard they try to get them to say they won’t support him.

(And the Reuters/Ipsos poll that had Biden leading DT by four points in seven swing states is almost impossible to find — search on “Biden leads over Trump” and you’ll get a page of “Trump leading” links.)

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:53:16pm

re: #31 darthstar

Our local place finally reopened under new ownership. All the teak is gone, covered with fake marble, and it feels a bit like a valley person’s idea of what a harbor bar should look like, but the food didn’t suck (hate square plates though) and they have a few decent tequilas.

[Embedded content]

The only reason for round plates is the potter’s wheel. If it’s cast and not thrown, square plates win.

imho

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:53:52pm

re: #30 silverdolphin

3 hostages mistakenly killed by Israeli troops had been holding a white flag, military officials say

This gets worse every day. They were shirtless, holding a white flag with ther hands up, to show they were unarmed. Two were killed immediately. The third, screaming ‘Help” n Hebrew, ran back into a building, one that had “SOS” and “Help! Three hostages” marked on it. Even after told to stop firing by a commander, the IDF soldiers followed him into the building, shouted at him to come forward and shot him as soon as he emerged from hiding. I really hope these initial reports are wrong but it does not sound like it.

And the most the IDF can say it that it was “against our rules of engagement.” Maybe they will have more to say after their investigation is complete.

But this certainly reflects a military that seems out of control (ie not following an order to stop firing).

This may be falling into the “Kill them all and let God sort them out” style of war. Like My Lai, anyone not in a military uniform is free to kill.

Hell, this could be a new path for Hamas - release the hostages a few at a time like this and watch them get killed by friendly fire.

I’ve got to hope that this crime will lead to end of this current conflict with Hamas and then hopefully the end of the Netanyahu regime — sooner rather than later.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:54:18pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Square plates challenge my ability to clean them.

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:55:17pm

re: #38 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Square plates challenge my ability to clean them.

Whenever I’ve had trouble, it was always round.

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 12:56:48pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Whenever I’ve had trouble, it was always round.

That’s statistically meaningless.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:00:17pm

re: #37 Hecuba’s daughter

I’ve got to hope that this crime will lead to end of this current conflict with Hamas and then hopefully the end of the Netanyahu regime — sooner rather than later.

The punishment for Hamas and their crimes will continue until Hamas ceases to exist.

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wrenchwench  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:09:51pm

Mastodon

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TedStriker  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:10:20pm

re: #20 Shropshire Slasher

[Embedded content]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:11:40pm

re: #37 Hecuba’s daughter

I’ve got to hope that this crime will lead to end of this current conflict with Hamas and then hopefully the end of the Netanyahu regime — sooner rather than later.

I doubt 3 bodies are enough to convince Netanyahu to change his ways.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:12:54pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind, because we have an ex-president endorsed by the entire GOP who is OPENLY promising to become a dictator and is OPENLY laying plans to use the military to murder any protesters, but the whole country is just acting like it’s no big deal.

“It’s just locker room talk!”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:15:49pm

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“It’s just locker room Beer Hall talk!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:15:50pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

“He wouldn’t be as bad as they say.”

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Unabogie  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:18:33pm

joycevance.substack.com

Like Milei, who he has publicly admired, Trump has a built-in trigger for unleashing unprecedented control on protests in the U.S. They are sure to emerge, as they did during his first term in office if he is reelected. Trump could impose measures akin to those being explored in Argentina, using the Insurrection Act to circumvent legal prohibitions against using the military in the domestic United States.

We discussed this in early November in Frogs Boiled: What Trump is Planning for a Second Term, after the Washington Post reported on some of the specifics of Trump’s plans. They wrote that among the ideas Trump and his allies had floated, were the following:

Have DOJ investigate former Trump administration officials and allies who have become critics of the former president

Prosecute DOJ and FBI officials

Appoint a special prosecutor to “go after” President Biden and his family, based on unsupported allegations of corruption that Trump’s allies in the House are already moving forward with

End the separation between the White House and DOJ that prevents presidents from using prosecutions as a tool for political advantage or personal revenge

Draft an executive order to permit the military to be deployed in the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act. That would permit soldiers to be used against the protests that would be certain to break out if Trump were reelected

That reporting comes into sharper focus as we see Trump cheering on a man who has similar plans in another country. The most important takeaway, for our purposes, from Milei’s efforts to preemptively curb protests is Trump’s approval of them. Does Trump intend to impose the same sort of “order” on civil society here? What follows next? Mass arrests? Suspension of the First Amendment? Full on Gilead?

Yes, it sounds alarmist, but unfortunately, it’s all too real. Trump has a habit of saying the quiet part out loud. He’s doing that here. Are we paying attention? We had better be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:20:51pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

When Putsch comes to shove…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:26:21pm

Mastodon

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HRH Stanley Sea  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:28:20pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

He had a large reputation. I swear I’ve read about it.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:32:17pm

There was a time when I would have responded by explaining to this guy what exactly happened. But I’m done doing that. The few times I tried it, it had no effect.

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Nerdy Fish  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:34:21pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

There was a time when I would have responded by explaining to this guy what exactly happened. But I’m done doing that. The few times I tried it, it had no effect.

Your record is pretty clear, by this point. If people are reacting to a mention of LGF like that, they’re already beyond reasoning.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:36:17pm

Yup.

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Nerdy Fish  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:43:28pm

Holding someone’s past words against them only really works if they’re still the same person they were at the time they said them. That’s why it’s useful when talking about Republicans. Most other people grow and change over their lives, so the value of their past words is only to show how shitty they used to be and how much they’ve changed since then.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:48:49pm

Just call it…NAZIFEST!

Massive far-right event is reportedly packed with people who have ‘a dim view of the Jews’

A gathering of far-right personalities is reportedly expected to be packed with patriotism… and antisemitism.

Turning Point USA’s “AmericaFest” is kicking off on Saturday, but Rolling Stone has highlighted some of its more controversial acts.

TPUSA is run by Charlie Kirk, who has himself been accused of “creating ‘an anti-Semite problem’ for the right,” according to the report.

But it doesn’t stop there. Here are some of the highlights from the reporting:

“AmericaFest will be kicked off Saturday night by Roseanne Barr — the far-right comedian, who this past summer not only voiced Holocaust denial, but made a call for violence against the Jewish people,” according to the report. “‘Nobody died in the Holocaust,’ Barr said on a June podcast with Theo Von. ‘That’s the truth.’ Barr followed that lie with an even more shocking statement: ‘It should happen. Six million Jews should die right now, ‘cause they cause all the problems in the world.’”

The article also cites another controversial speaker:

“Jason Whitlock, a host for Blaze Media, this June denounced ‘Jewish pride’ as an ‘affront to God,’ while insisting that Jews are in league with LGBTQ minorities and Black Americans in the pursuit of power and ‘a one-world government.’ Whitlock acknowledged during the segment that, ‘I will be accused of being an antisemite,’ but added that this is ‘what happens in a nation of ‘pride.’ The groups that lean into pride, wield the power to silence their critics.’”

Blaze Media is also sending another representative, according to the report.

“Blaze Media was founded by Glenn Beck, who is also speaking at the TPUSA celebration. In his previous incarnation as a Fox News host, Beck uncorked a hateful rant about ‘puppet master’ George Soros, in which he accused the left-wing billionaire, a Holocaust survivor, of somehow being complicit in the death of fellow Jews. The Anti-Defamation League deemed Beck’s comments ‘horrific’ and one writer memorably described the segment as ‘some of the most offensive anti-Semitic imagery ever purposely shown on American television.’”

and kids…that’s just the start…

rollingstone.com

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A Three Hour Tour  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:50:37pm

re: #53 Nerdy Fish

Your record is pretty clear, by this point. If people are reacting to a mention of LGF like that, they’re already beyond reasoning.

If this place were still what it was before Charles’ break with the Right in 2009 - and certain people were still here - I would never have signed up and delurked.

Even after the change, I kept a watchful eye on the prevailing atmosphere in the comment threads for years before daring to jump in.

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Dangerman  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:51:11pm

power’s out here

alexa’s gonna die soon
as well as my battery backup on the linux

followed by the battery backup on the dsl

it’s gonna be dark any minute

i’m thinking we’re off to dangermom’s

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:53:09pm

re: #56 Nerdy Fish

We should always allow that someone might change.

In regards to American politics, a recently posted video by UC Berkeley:

American Democracy and the Crisis of Majority Rule - Daniel Ziblatt

..

… has the speaker pointing out that the Republican party’s ability to stay in power without getting a majority of the vote is keeping the Republicans from making changes they need to do.

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Unabogie  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:54:40pm

re: #58 A Three Hour Tour

If this place were still what it was before Charles’ break with the Right in 2009 - and certain people were still here - I would never have signed up and delurked.

Even after the change, I kept a watchful eye on the prevailing atmosphere in the comment threads for years before daring to jump in.

Same here. Now, this place is a bastion of sanity.

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:58:40pm

Took a nice little nap after lunch. Woke up with a lovely ear worm from the Dead Kennedys.

California Uber Alles

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Backwoods Sleuth  Dec 16, 2023 • 1:59:00pm

Mastodon

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:03:02pm

re: #63 Backwoods Sleuth

A beautiful cat.

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:03:37pm

Mastodon

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Joe Bacon ✅  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:05:50pm

Texas could vote on referendum to secede from the United States this spring

Leaders of the Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM) — which openly calls for the Lone Star State to secede from the United States and become an independent nation again — appear to have surpassed the threshold to put a secession ballot initiative on the 2024 Republican primary ballot this March.

Newsweek reported Friday that TNM president Daniel Miller delivered 139,456 signatures to the Republican Party of Texas’ (RPT) headquarters in favor of a March 2024 ballot referendum dubbed “Texit” (named after the UK’s Brexit referendum in 2016). Texas law only requires “five percent of the total vote received by all candidates for governor in the party’s most recent gubernatorial general primary election.” And in 2022, there were 1,954,172 ballots cast in Texas’ Republican gubernatorial primary. By this standard, TNM only needed 97,709 signatures to get its referendum on the ballot.

“We have submitted well over the needed signatures to be on the ballot this March,” Miller stated. “Federal overreach and legislative blood baths have been plaguing Texas politics for far too long. Truth be told, the sheer number of signatures proves that people are hungry for states to exercise their constitutional rights, but nothing would have happened unless we acted first.”

TNM argues that Article 1, Section 2 of the Texas constitution — which states that Texans “have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient” — gives voters the right to decide the secession question. The group also states on the FAQ section of its website that a vote to secede is not an act of treason or declaration of war against the United States, and wagers that the US government would not deploy the military to prevent Texas from seceding.

“What would the justification be for any actions taken against Texans whose sole crime was voting for self-determination in a fair, free, and open referendum? When exactly would this military intervention occur?” TNM’s website reads. “Would they do it before a vote on Texit to prevent the people having their say? Would they wait until after the results of the vote were tallied and the results announced in favor of independence? Or would they wait until after Texas began the process of extracting itself from the federal system and began asserting its role as a nation among nations?”

For a referendum to pass, it only needs a vote of 50% plus one. And Texans have a pattern of voting in favor of ballot referendums. In the 2023 election, 13 of 14 referendums on the ballot were approved according to Ballotpedia.

While TNM’s referendum appears to have surpassed the signature threshold, it has not yet been approved to appear on the GOP primary ballot. And even if it passed, the referendum is not legally binding, meaning lawmakers could choose to ignore it.

alternet.org

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:11:13pm

re: #66 Joe Bacon ✅

If they did that (I know. Not fucking likely), wouldn’t it make it easier for Biden to win re-election?

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:12:19pm

re: #66 Joe Bacon ✅

Pretend secession. Not legally binding. Go ahead, vote to secede…we’ll see you after the next hurricane or chemical plant explosion. And we’ll take those military bases and move them elsewhere.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:12:37pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

If they did that, wouldn’t it make it easier for Biden to win re-election?

Time to discuss closing Ft Bliss and Ft Cavazos (nee Hood).

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:16:26pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Time to discuss closing Ft Bliss and Ft Cavazos (nee Hood).

That might put a dent in local economies.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:16:53pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Time to discuss closing Ft Bliss and Ft Cavazos (nee Hood).

And all of the defense industry companies that would need to move.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:17:03pm

From Bluesky:

For those keeping track of the decline, Elon Musk has apparently killed another crucial Twitter feature: the ability to embed tweets on external sites. Their widgets.js file began failing yesterday and it still isn’t working.

I’m surprised it took him this long.

I noticed this so quickly because LGF members are addicted to posting embedded tweets and it’s been a hard habit for them to break. So when they stopped being converted from plain text to formatted tweets with images and video, it was very obvious by just scrolling down through a comment thread.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:18:56pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

I can see the tweet in the first comment now on both windows and android.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:20:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:21:41pm

Welp. Embedded tweets suddenly started working again, just a few minutes ago. So they weren’t deliberately killed, it was just one more screw-up.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:22:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:22:59pm

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ericblair  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:23:17pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Time to discuss closing Ft Bliss and Ft Cavazos (nee Hood).

That’s just the start. You can look at Quebec’s separatist history for that. Unless they want to start Civil War II: Alamo Redux, it would have to be negotiated with Congress. How much national debt is Texas willing to assume? I bet they’ll be disagreement. Gonna use the US dollar? Too bad the Fed won’t care about what Texas needs. Are all Texans going to be dual Texas/US citizens? Fuck that, you don’t get to vote in US elections anymore, who would want that. Who pays Social Security and Medicaid the day after separation? How about trade agreements? NAFTA? WTO?

If this got anywhere near serious, corporate headquarters would get real nervous, like in Quebec, because who the hell wants that sort of legal chaos. So out they go to New York and California and Virginia and Illinois and wherever. And when the whole thing falls apart, the corporations aren’t coming back, because why spend the money.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:25:47pm

re: #68 darthstar

Pretend secession. Not legally binding. Go ahead, vote to secede…we’ll see you after the next hurricane or chemical plant explosion. And we’ll take those military bases and move them elsewhere.

Hey! Don’t forget the most important thing when they vote for “Texit”!

THE WALL!

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Nerdy Fish  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:26:25pm

re: #79 Joe Bacon ✅

Hey! Don’t forget the most important thing when they vote for “Texit”!

THE WALL!

They won’t need to build one, because who the hell would want to immigrate to Texas when they can go to the US instead?

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:26:31pm

re: #78 ericblair

That’s just the start. You can look at Quebec’s separatist history for that. Unless they want to start Civil War II: Alamo Redux, it would have to be negotiated with Congress. How much national debt is Texas willing to assume? I bet they’ll be disagreement. Gonna use the US dollar? Too bad the Fed won’t care about what Texas needs. Are all Texans going to be dual Texas/US citizens? Fuck that, you don’t get to vote in US elections anymore, who would want that. Who pays Social Security and Medicaid the day after separation? How about trade agreements? NAFTA? WTO?

If this got anywhere near serious, corporate headquarters would get real nervous, like in Quebec, because who the hell wants that sort of legal chaos. So out they go to New York and California and Virginia and Illinois and wherever. And when the whole thing falls apart, the corporations aren’t coming back, because why spend the money.

Yep. The moment the federal government tells my company it won’t be receiving money in Texas, things are going to get real chaotic.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:31:10pm

To just break embedded tweets for the whole world like that and not fix it for more than 24 hours is pretty unreal. They can’t be using any kind of staging server, they’re fucking around in the live code.

And it makes me wonder why they’re doing it. Probably means they’re planning some kind of change.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:31:25pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind, because we have an ex-president endorsed by the entire GOP who is OPENLY promising to become a dictator and is OPENLY laying plans to use the military to murder any protesters, but the whole country is just acting like it’s no big deal.

Wrong.

Half the country is fully on board.

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Nerdy Fish  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:32:00pm

re: #83 Florida Panhandler

Wrong.

Half the country is fully on board.

Not half. 30%. They have outsized influence because of the various forms of legal political fuckery that we’ve allowed to persist because “grand historical traditions.”

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Joe Bacon ✅  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:36:13pm

re: #83 Florida Panhandler

Wrong.

Half the country is fully on board.

well this crowd is sure on board with making The Talking Asshole a dictator!

Watch: Trump supporters cheer after MAGA host asks if they support ‘day-one dictator’

Many of Donald Trump’s supporters appear eager to support him even if he is a “dictator” on day one, as he claimed in an interview.

An example of that is a video that was put up on Saturday from Live from America, a conservative streaming network, prior to a Trump rally in Durham, New Hampshire.

The video, published on social media by Patriot Takes, shows a right-wing host asking the crowd if they support Trump’s ambitions to be a dictator, with the qualification that he will do so only on day one.

The video opens with a Trump fan talking about how, if Trump wins another term, “it’s game over.”

“Day one dictator!” the host with a mic shouts back.

“Day one dictator!” the supporter yells in response, adding a classic refrain, “Drill, baby drill!”

The host then goes to the rest of the crowd with the following:

“How many people here… now normally I know you probably wouldn’t in America, but considering what they’ve done to this man, how many people here support day-one dictator?”

The crowd then erupts.

rawstory.com

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Decatur Deb  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:41:38pm

re: #81 Belafon

Yep. The moment the federal government tells my company it won’t be receiving money in Texas, things are going to get real chaotic.

Not to mention tens of thousands of sworn DoD personnel who will have choices to make.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:46:14pm

re: #85 Joe Bacon ✅

Just thinking out loud, throughout all of my childhood growing up, I never once heard any of my numerous far-right Fundamentalist Christian family members ever supporting democracy itself as an institution. Voting, yes… but only in the context of promoting specific hard right Republicans and especially Reagan.

Rest assured, dinner table and parlor discussions back then would certainly include phrases like “somebody should do something about those people” or “someone should order those oil companies to lower prices” and the like, but nothing about democracy itself.

Granted this would have been a rather abstract intellectual discussion instead of the usual populist simple answers required to participate, but I think it speaks volumes about for how long this longing for an authoritarian with fascist populist leanings has been bubbling amongst the MAGA portion of the country.

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Jay C  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:47:44pm

re: #81 Belafon

Yep. The moment the federal government tells my company it won’t be receiving money in Texas, things are going to get real chaotic.

Reminds me of one of Rudy Giuliani’s rare positive moments when he was Mayor of NYC: the bozos out on Staten Island were going through one of their periodic “secession” crazes; so Rudy held a presser where he said he would, in fact, entertain a serious proposition for SI (formally the Borough of Richmond) to withdraw from the NYC structure: provided that they recompensed the City government for all the improvements and investments that NYC had made on the Island: and IIRC, brought the City Comptroller out to quantify just how many billions of dollars Richmond would owe in that case.
Secession talk has been remarkably quiet since then….

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:48:51pm

re: #60 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

To be clear, while I think that lecture has some good content, I also consider it kind of lame.

To whit:

re: #66 Joe Bacon ✅

Secessionists like this are self-centered fools. They are acting out like children.

They do this because they are threatened by the modern world.

What the lecture I linked left out, totally, was religion.

Because academics (outside of the seminaries) can’t deal with religion.

Even though the GOP has now embraced the theocrats who openly disdain democracy, academics like the one in the lecture can’t be bothered to address the problem of said theocrats.

The loss-of-god problem is overlooked by so many academics because they really are isolated in ivory towers, where everyone is too sophisticated for the snake-handling, tongue-talking, Bible-believing folk out in the countryside.

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ericblair  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:50:58pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Not to mention tens of thousands of sworn DoD personnel who will have choices to make.

Yep, this goes right to the citizenship problem. The US can deal fine with a few million citizens outside its borders. What it can’t deal with is 30 million of them together next door, all with their American rights and privileges and those of a foreign country. There’d probably need to be a constitutional amendment to strip their US citizenships, otherwise absolutely no deal. And I’m pretty sure most Texans wouldn’t be too happy about this.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:52:13pm

re: #66 Joe Bacon ✅

And our “border problem” becomes Texas’s problem.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:54:24pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Welp. Embedded tweets suddenly started working again, just a few minutes ago. So they weren’t deliberately killed, it was just one more screw-up.

Either that or the Lord of Xitter is monitoring your comments.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:55:18pm

I haven’t seen the secessionists here but they had tables set up outside the Lubbock County courthouse last month. My friend reported that all of the secesh, and most of those showing interest, were white males in their 30s, ie ideal lepertarian recruiting fodder. They were getting a lot of one finger salutes, especially from young people.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:56:15pm

Glaciers disappearing, sea levels rising, Antarctic ice shelves breaking apart, hurricanes causing unprecedented levels of destruction, and Donald Trump is bringing back the dumbass horny right wing Sarah Palin slogan, “drill baby drill.”

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Jay C  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:56:33pm

re: #91 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

And our “border problem” becomes Texas’s problem.

Well, I’m sure the Texit clowns have a fairly good idea how to deal with that “problem”….

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:57:02pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Dump DT.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2023 • 2:57:17pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Maybe, but I feel like the only engineers left at Twitter at this point are people who have barely any clue what the fuck they’re doing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:02:13pm

re: #81 Belafon

Yep. The moment the federal government tells my company it won’t be receiving money in Texas, things are going to get real chaotic.

The Calexit guy fled to Russia. The Texit people are supported by Russia too. The Russians have been promoting the notion of American disintegrating for years. Putin remains infuriated about what happened to the Soviet Union and his people have been trying to instigate the same destruction here. Let’s see how far this goes.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:02:31pm

In Gaza war, Israel’s radical settlers see an opportunity to expand

…

Yehuda Shimon, a 48-year-old lawyer, looks out from a hilltop at the surrounding Palestinian villages. The closest lies less than half a mile away.

“We must make a war with the Arabs,” he said. “Here and Gaza, it’s the same Arabs. If they don’t leave, we must fight with them, and the strongest win.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:03:06pm

It’s Time To Get Laid

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BeachDem  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:12:02pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Not to mention tens of thousands of sworn DoD personnel who will have choices to make.

‘Cause you can’t jump the track, we’re like cars on a cable
And life’s like an hourglass glued to the table
No one can find the rewind button, boys
So cradle your head in your hands
And breathe, just breathe
Oh, breathe, just breathe

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:12:14pm

re: #91 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

And our “border problem” becomes Texas’s problem.

That could include the Mexican army and cartel militia crossing the border to protect their citizens when the pogroms start, which they will. There will be nothing to stop them. When federal forces leave, they will take every plane, tank and rifle with them, including the ones assigned to the National Guard. Professionally trained Guard officers will resign en masse and many enlisted personnel will simply refuse to show up. Abbott will have to appoint incompetent goobers to replace the officers, and recruit slack jawed militia yokels for the enlisted ranks. Mexico doesn’t have much in the way of armor and airpower but even ancient pipsqueak tanks and APCs (the French AMX-13 to be specific) are more than a match for untrained, overweight goobers with nothing but their AR-15s. Of course, Abbott and his accomplices can buy or beg weapons from anyone willing to supply them but that will take time. Imagine that you are a Texas Guard tanker, you have to wave good bye to your M-1 Abrams and try to get used to a third hand T-55.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:18:18pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind, because we have an ex-president endorsed by the entire GOP who is OPENLY promising to become a dictator and is OPENLY laying plans to use the military to murder any protesters, but the whole country is just acting like it’s no big deal.

Americans are trained to view economics through a zero-sum lens such that on one hand, policy that allocates money to general uplift is seen as an outrage and against the “natural” order in which life must be earned, but on the other the subsidization of exclusive elite clades is moral and will create better outcomes. This deep cultural preoccupation with competition and punishment can be expressed through any political tendency but will always end up as reaction in the long term. This emerges from one of the core contradictions of the 20th century—the democratic nations of the global north are functionally reactionary in how they interact with the global south, regardless of their internal tendencies—but eventually the process of hoarding surplus value creates internal precarity that must also be “explained” with reactionary frameworks and “solved” with reactionary, punitive methods.

[Hence Foucault’s Boomerang—the violence of the periphery will return to the center.]

Your standard Trump voter is the petit bourgeois person that’s making an amoral calculation that their personal capital will improve under a reactionary administration, because the appeal of Trump is the naked declaration that the system will steal from others to give to you. Trump promises both the plunder of an external empire and an internal colony—and also the application of force to inferiors as a kind of state-assisted catharsis for the elect—and to many people that’s simply what they, as Real Americans, are owed: any alternative proposal that lifts all boats is repulsive because the entire nation is steeping in quasi-eugenic hyperindividualism.

The current reaction is not an anomaly, it’s a logical continuation of how US culture and US government have behaved for decades, and it feels “acceptable” to people because they’re already accustomed to the heuristics and rhetoric used to justify illiberality in other contexts. Just like the elite of the center excused the obvious reactionary components of the War on Terror (and the War on Drugs, and the War on Crime, and the War on Communism) they will now generate mitigating explanations for why the reaction isn’t really reaction for as long as possible. This isn’t even a product of some deep conviction, just each individual actor defending the existing system because it has uplifted them and guarded their self-interest.

Domestic conservative policy is already experimenting with sadopopulism that has been successful applied in countries with more explicit oligarchies; cultural reaction has successfully destroyed inconvenient forms of expertise but also stigmatized nuance and semantics that are necessary to engage with complex ideas; illiberality is a tactic to keep the system allocating surplus value mostly to the top, and you can see different existing holders of capital adopting each other’s strategies to keep the money machine burring.

re: #32 Hecuba’s daughter

You underestimate how gullible and ignorant the average American is. Most aren’t paying any interest to politics at this time — after all not a single primary vote has yet been cast — though many are concerned about Biden’s age. Meanwhile, the new Benghazi investigations are working to persuade voters that Biden is as corrupt as Trump. And let’s not forget the standard extreme left philosophy that somehow having a fascist president will persuade enough voters next time to support whoever their socialist icon is at that time.

And the extreme left position is that this isn’t solvable by US electoral democracy in the first place, because every single election is going to be that exact same struggle to stave off reactionaries, and attempts to simply shift around existing power structures to empower liberals will just end up in the hands of a reactionary one or two cycles later. In this view the existing American system of democracy has been gamed to the point that it’s a question of when, not if, sufficient capture of administrative institutions allows a soft coup. And it’s…not wrong…because reaction isn’t some kind of anomaly that’s been forced on America, it’s a reflection of the presumptions that become normal when you’re the center of an empire.

It’s also notable that this position is supported by the observation of fracture points at which centrists and liberals side with reaction, and conservatives have successfully knapped the humanist consensus that forms the basis of most Americans understanding of right and liberties: if you can present the uplift of a stigmatized group as a net loss for individual liberties and comforts you can create people willing to affirm reactionary policy even if they won’t fully endorse it.

The big example of this is the entire War on Terror and the way it was used to generally erode civil liberty, but the armature is also visible under various moral panics like trans women in female bathrooms and 15-minute cities: any expansion of the general welfare is a subtraction from your personal welfare, vote accordingly.

The Trump cult keeps on claiming that it’s Biden who’s the fascist not their leader.

Trumpists nakedly express entitlements that are implicit in American culture. Part of his success as a rhetorician is that he speaks bluntly to this instinct: he promises international relations that are explicitly unfair, he promises state violence will be wielded against the distasteful and the inconvenient, he promises that the state will use it’s power to pull in money and hand out that money only to a loyal elect. “Great again” is not a mysterious concept, it’s a gesture towards the height of empire, the buying-the-Philipines-and-doing-banana-wars times.

Trumpists call everyone else a fascist because in their brains, the right and natural thing is an inequality that rewards them at the expense of everyone else, and the structure of law must encode that inequality. Within this framework, anything other than capitulation to their appetites is tyranny.

But…that’s not new, that’s just reasoning that used to be applied to overthrowing Allende and killing Lumumba.

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austin_blue  Dec 16, 2023 • 3:44:49pm

re: #24 Hecuba’s daughter

at a time!

My niece’s new au pair, a young woman from Brazil, arrived a couple weeks ago. She is apprehensive because this is her first time out of the country AND she’s never experienced temperatures below 50. She did learn that the native Chicagoans are viewing our temperatures in the 30’s and 40’s as being mild. It will be a challenge when she’s facing driving on the icy roads or snow covered roads that await us.

I love how Chicagoans simply refer to winter winds as “The Hawk”, because it strips the skin from your bones.

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EPR-radar  Dec 16, 2023 • 4:05:41pm

re: #87 Florida Panhandler

I think the US right has been essentially anti-democratic at least since the New Deal.

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piratedan  Dec 16, 2023 • 6:32:12pm

welll, if Texas does attempt to secede, the rest of the US can certainly bring them to heel and shoot all of those fascist fucks dead and solve one huge problem. Texas won’t have the benefit of interior lines because their interstates are perpetually under construction.


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