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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 7, 2024 • 6:05:20pm

‘If they are hostages then what are we — the police?’ Capitol cop asks Elise Stefanik

One of the officers at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, expressed his concern about the recent Republican talking point that those arrested and convicted, or those who pleaded guilty, are hostages.

Speaking to MSNBC’s Mehdi Hasan on the final night of his Sunday show, Sgt. Aquilino Gonell said that making things up like the “hostages” comment is crazy, given they are people who have been convicted in court.

He referenced Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), who parroted Donald Trump’s talking points to “Meet the Press” on Sunday, claiming those in prison were “hostages.” Even former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) called her “disgraceful.”

“When you hear Elise Stefanik, a member of House GOP leadership, talking about people that attacked you and former colleagues as hostages, what are you in the former colleagues who are still in the force, still protecting people like Stefanik? You guys are protecting people who are protecting the people that attacked you!” Hasan said.

Gonell called it “insane.”

“But as I described it in my book, ‘American Shield,’ on a couple of chapters — it is a betrayal for the sacrifices on January 6th. It’s a sacrifice on the lives and every effort that we made on Jan. 6th to prevent them from getting hurt. The only reason they escaped any harm, without any of those elected officials getting hurt, is because of the actions of myself and my colleagues on Jan. 6th,” said Sgt. Gonell.

That’s when he hit the GOP in the rhetorical gut.

“If they really think that those people are hostages, or were political prisoners, then what are we, the police officers?” he asked. “Who are we to them? This is coming from the party of ‘law and order’ in quotation marks. I cannot believe those policies anymore because they do not believe that.”

He went on to recall Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) repeating only a few weeks ago that they were the party of “law and order.”

“They are the law, transparency, accountability, and yet in the same sentence, the same breath of the line that he said, let’s blur out the faces of the peaceful — or innocent individuals so that the Department of Justice can not identify and prosecute these rioters. It is insane the way they are trying to rush this away. What happened?”

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 6:24:10pm

Pitchfork’s review of Zappa’s “Jazz From Hell,” written November of last year, is actually kind of good reading.

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 6:32:06pm

I’ve listened to “Jazz From Hell” a bunch of times and I gotta say the Synclavier work Zappa did has grown on me. It’s really weird yet oddly precise.

JC1 Jan 7, 2024 • 6:41:21pm

Belafon Jan 7, 2024 • 6:43:16pm

Taiwan has vocally backed Ukraine, Japanese leaders keep turning up in Kyiv & South Korea underwrote last year’s offensive with shells. Sure seems like US’ Asian allies don’t see Ukraine as a grave distraction from Indo-Pac. https://t.co/jHZCfjN9Ly

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) January 7, 2024

Dangerman Jan 7, 2024 • 6:50:04pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Pitchfork’s review of Zappa’s “Jazz From Hell,” written November of last year, is actually kind of good reading.

Good album

Eventual Carrion Jan 7, 2024 • 6:51:01pm

re: #6 Belafon

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Why not, I’m sure Japan has some technology it needs real world testing also. Technology it can then turn a profit on.

darthstar Jan 7, 2024 • 6:51:53pm

re: #6 Belafon

It’s a good thing our Asian allies can walk and chew gum at the same time while we tell the entire world it’s impossible for us to do the same.

wrenchwench Jan 7, 2024 • 7:04:45pm

Vicious Babushka Jan 7, 2024 • 7:06:15pm

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 7, 2024 • 7:10:42pm

Took this picture down by the pier earlier when I noticed how still the water was. I’m quite happy with this one.

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 7:24:35pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s a good fucken picture.

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 7:29:42pm

This is the first track on “Jazz From Hell.”

Night School

jaunte Jan 7, 2024 • 7:32:21pm

The clouds got busy this evening.

wrenchwench Jan 7, 2024 • 7:32:30pm

Ashli Babbitt, (woman shot and killed at riot in DC ) Angry Rant

jaunte Jan 7, 2024 • 7:33:10pm

Belafon Jan 7, 2024 • 7:33:20pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

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silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 7:33:37pm

I may be slow but I just figured out why all of a sudden the convicted Jan 6 criminals are being called ‘hostages’ by the GOP. Not political prisoners but hostages. Hostages are held to compel or prevent a behavior from another.

I mean, on Jan 7 Trump said:

The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. … To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: You do not represent our country, and to those who broke the law: You will pay.

So now they are hostages? Being held for what reason? It is, I believe, all to conflate them with the Israeli hostages being held by Hamas for the low information MAGA Republicans. Shameless.

Belafon Jan 7, 2024 • 7:33:39pm

oglaf.com

jaunte Jan 7, 2024 • 7:33:44pm

One vulture, going home.

Patricia Kayden Jan 7, 2024 • 7:42:38pm

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 7:42:51pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

wrenchwench Jan 7, 2024 • 7:46:03pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

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People look like they’re being assimilated, either earbuds or a screen-nose.

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 7:50:53pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

People look like they’re being assimilated, either earbuds or a screen-nose.

Screen-nose. I like it.

I always call the mobile phone/computers/cameraz as GLOWING RECTANGLES! “Is there anything interesting on YOUR glowing rectangle?” I ask all the time when I’m surrounded by people looking at their cell phones. It’s so much fun!

teleskiguy Jan 7, 2024 • 7:53:42pm

glowing rectangles

Semper Fi Jan 7, 2024 • 8:02:04pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Took this picture down by the pier earlier when I noticed how still the water was. I’m quite happy with this one.

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Looks like a nice little gaff cutter…beauty!

Targetpractice Jan 7, 2024 • 8:33:06pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

Screen-nose. I like it.

I always call the mobile phone/computers/cameraz as GLOWING RECTANGLES! “Is there anything interesting on YOUR glowing rectangle?” I ask all the time when I’m surrounded by people looking at their cell phones. It’s so much fun!

I remember Robin Williams once doing a bit about his daughter and her friends sitting around a coffee house table faces buried in their cellphones, texting back and forth to each other without saying a word, occasionally one might pop up their head with a giggle and go “I know, right?!”

Described it as a “cyber witches’ coven.”

Hecuba's daughter Jan 7, 2024 • 8:33:43pm

Was surprised to discover that I saw 4 of the 5 nominations for best comedy(musical) in the Golden Globes: Poor Things, The Holdovers, American Fiction, Barbie, with the winner being Poor Things. IMHO American Fiction or Barbie would have been a far better choice. Did not find Poor Things to be funny at all. Well written, well acted, original yes — but definitely not my preference at all.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 8:45:07pm

Ashli Babbitt before her death. Certainly does not seem the calm, controlled woman described in her lawsuit. And she sure seems mad at the government after years of Trump. All these things happened and they are Biden’s fault?

Semper Fi Jan 7, 2024 • 8:50:35pm

re: #30 silverdolphin

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Ashley Babbitt before her death. Certainly does not seem the calm, controlled woman described in her lawsuit. And she sure seems mad at the government after 4 years of Trump. All these things happened and they are Biden’s fault?

Wow!

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jan 7, 2024 • 9:06:43pm

Quite blustery today, for here anyway. Tonight is expected to get down into the mid 30’s, with freezing temps almost reaching the cost in some areas:

ECMWF expected low temps 8 Jan’24

Heating pad on my toesies for sure.

William Lewis Jan 7, 2024 • 9:09:50pm

Still life with medium format …

retired cynic Jan 7, 2024 • 9:11:42pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

glowing rectangles

my cats object to my glowing rectangle… they prefer my attention to be on them

retired cynic Jan 7, 2024 • 9:15:16pm

re: #30 silverdolphin

But her guy had been in control for four years. Why wasn’t it his fault?

And that lady was on something, seriously!

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 9:16:02pm

Eye Opening- How Soon They Forget

The relevant picture.

Jan 7 headlines

The media all knew what was what the day after. And in the current dithering we see 3 years later, we see the effects of the Big Lie strategy.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 9:23:40pm

re: #35 retired cynic

But her guy had been in control for four years. Why wasn’t it his fault?

And that lady was on something, seriously!

Apparently she was mostly ranting in that video against the Democratic politicians in California. She was on her way to DC on Jan 6 to be part of the Storm that Trump had said would arrive that day, when night would turn to day and QAnon would reveal all the pedophiles to be arrested - yes that is what she tweeted.

Oh and her pool business had taken some hard hits in being sued. And people dropping the serivce when they heard her rant. Actually sounds like a descent into mental illness.

wrenchwench Jan 7, 2024 • 9:24:12pm

piratedan Jan 7, 2024 • 9:35:47pm

re: #35 retired cynic

seemingly with these MAGA types, they’re not responsible for anything, they live their lives tragically. They only have woke choices and lifestyles thrust upon them, keeping them narrowly defined as people and bereft of any freedom.

wrenchwench Jan 7, 2024 • 9:38:04pm

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 9:40:29pm

Trump Tweeted this at 3:25 on Jan 6.

These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long.

His Twitter account was suspended an hour later. Supporting insurrectionists should have a penalty.

Captain Ron Jan 7, 2024 • 9:44:04pm

re: #32 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It was 32 when I got up at 7:30 this morning,. by 10 it got up to 37, finally getting to 54 for a high. Now it is down to 40 here on the strait.

austin_blue Jan 7, 2024 • 9:53:20pm

Great cover.

Teared me up (as always). Goddammit, he’s a hell of a songsmith.

Hecuba's daughter Jan 7, 2024 • 9:54:57pm

re: #41 silverdolphin

Trump Tweeted this at 3:25 on Jan 6.

His Twitter account was suspended an hour later. Supporting insurrectionists should have a penalty.

If the supposed originalists on SCOTUS actually cared about the Constitution they would use Amendment 14 Section 3 to bar any such person from being President if they previously took an oath to support the Constitution. But of course, originalists are liars; they know their conclusion and will use any logic to justify their decision, no matter how inconsistent it is with previous decisions of theirs.

Targetpractice Jan 7, 2024 • 9:58:37pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon ✅

“They are the law, transparency, accountability, and yet in the same sentence, the same breath of the line that he said, let’s blur out the faces of the peaceful — or innocent individuals so that the Department of Justice can not identify and prosecute these rioters. It is insane the way they are trying to rush this away. What happened?”

Melanin. Just look at the way the “LAW & ORDER!!!” crowd reacted to dark-skinned folks peacefully protesting in 2020 and you understand the difference very quickly.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 9:59:42pm

re: #44 Hecuba’s daughter

If the supposed originalists on SCOTUS actually cared about the Constitution they would use Amendment 14 Section 3 to bar any such person from being President if they previously took an oath to support the Constitution. But of course, originalists are liars; they know their conclusion and will use any logic to justify their decision, no matter how inconsistent it is with previous decisions of theirs.

Yep. I’m waiting for them to say that Trump cannot be a supporter of insurrectionists or be one himself since he was President at the time. So by definition he could not overthrow his own government.

And those of us that know what words mean will say “WTF?”

piratedan Jan 7, 2024 • 10:07:50pm

re: #46 silverdolphin

yeah, there’s a term for that… a “soft coup”, which is what they tried, generate a constitutional crisis and then use that event as a premise to continue to hold power (see Netanyahu, Bibi).

Hecuba's daughter Jan 7, 2024 • 10:09:09pm

re: #46 silverdolphin

Yep. I’m waiting for them to say that Trump cannot be a supporter of insurrectionists or be one himself since he was President at the time. So by definition he could not overthrow his own government.

And those of us that know what words mean will say “WTF?”

As others have said here, I think it’s more likely that they will say that because he hasn’t been convicted in a court of law, that the crime hasn’t been proved. Innocent until proven guilty. Even though the Constitution does not include such a requirement.

austin_blue Jan 7, 2024 • 10:10:25pm

Dammit, midnight, and to all, sweet scaly dreams.

Be kind to each other.

We’re getting COVID bumps tomorrow (We got the plague in September because we went to a dear friend’s 65th B’day party) and are screaming at anyone who is listening to do the same. This recent BB variant is a real horror show and is spreading like wildfire and is killing 1,500 people a week.

Night, all.

Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 7, 2024 • 10:19:21pm

This time they’ve gone too far with Godzilla!

William Lewis Jan 7, 2024 • 10:19:47pm

re: #49 austin_blue

Dammit, midnight, and to all, sweet scaly dreams.

Be kind to each other.

We’re getting COVID bumps tomorrow (We got the plague in September because we went to a dear friend’s 65th B’day party) and are screaming at anyone who is listening to do the same. This recent BB variant is a real horror show and is spreading like wildfire and is killing 1,500 people a week.

Night, all.

Got mine from the VA early December. Glad of it too, in this biz.

Targetpractice Jan 7, 2024 • 10:23:31pm

re: #48 Hecuba’s daughter

As others have said here, I think it’s more likely that they will say that because he hasn’t been convicted in a court of law, that the crime hasn’t been proved. Innocent until proven guilty. Even though the Constitution does not include such a requirement.

That’s my expectation, that they’ll punt on the question of whether or not Trump is an insurrectionist by declaring that such is a matter for another court and they can only rule on whether or not he can be barred from the ballot under A14S3. They’ll then move on to say that since they can’t judge him for being an insurrectionist, until the appropriate courts do so, he cannot be barred from the ballot and thus the lower court ruling is overturned. Then play CYA by classifying this under “Bush v. Gore by saying that it’s “extraordinary circumstances” and should be considered a one-off ruling rather than setting precedent on the matter.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 10:23:54pm

re: #48 Hecuba’s daughter

As others have said here, I think it’s more likely that they will say that because he hasn’t been convicted in a court of law, that the crime hasn’t been proved. Innocent until proven guilty. Even though the Constitution does not include such a requirement.

Yep, ignoring precedent is what they do. But every lawyer will know they have made up new a legal position, as I understand from my lawyer friend.

Trump has been found by 2 courts to have been an insurrectionist. That is a fact. The courts that determine the facts of a case have said he violated the 14th Amendment. IANAL but as I understand it appeals courts cannot simply change the facts after their determination by a lower court. They decide whether the process to determine those facts was correct.

The Contitution gives states the ability to determine how Federal elections will be held in their states.They determine if the proper age has been reached or correct citizenship. And they can determine if Section 3 adheres.

So are these two court decisions actually even appealable? Does the SCOTUS even have jurisdiction?

This will be one of the most single important decisions ever made by the Supreme Court. And I expect the conservative majority to make an absolutely idiotic decision. One so bad that it will be taught along with Dred Scot and Plessey v Ferguson.

Wish I were more sanguine.

Odie Hugh Manatee Jan 7, 2024 • 10:29:15pm

I thought I would throw out a bit of late night anecdata…

My wife and our daughter have not caught Covid (knocks on wood) in four years now, yet the have been exposed to the virus probably every single day that they have worked (full time retail). Numerous coworkers have caught it and caught it again (and again), been at work sick with it and the same with sick shoppers coming in to the store. Our son worked there for two years and the same, no Covid after being exposed to it numerous times.

All they are doing is masking and keeping their hands clean. That and changing their clothes and cleaning up immediately after coming home from work. I caught Covid in early February of 2020, just as we were realizing that Covid was here in our country. I have avoided it since by exercising care and masking when I am out. It works.

And it’s easy to do. Now if my wife and daughter could just get the MAGA/antivax assholes to stop giving them shit about their masks.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 10:35:39pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

That’s my expectation, that they’ll punt on the question of whether or not Trump is an insurrectionist by declaring that such is a matter for another court and they can only rule on whether or not he can be barred from the ballot under A14S3. They’ll then move on to say that since they can’t judge him for being an insurrectionist, until the appropriate courts do so, he cannot be barred from the ballot and thus the lower court ruling is overturned. Then play CYA by classifying this under “Bush v. Gore by saying that it’s “extraordinary circumstances” and should be considered a one-off ruling rather than setting precedent on the matter.

I also expect something stupid. But not on a judiciual remedy. He has already been found to be an insurrectionist by several courts. Those are the facts and the SCOTUS cannot rule on facts, only on process. IANAL but have a friend who has educated me ;-)

They will moot all of this, saying the proper process is not in the courts at all. I think they will instead say that since section 5 says Congress shall have the ability to enforce the 14th Amendment, that this is a matter for the Legislature. That this self-enforcing precedent is actually not there. Then they will pat themselves on the back for the Judiciary branch not getting involved in fights over the other two branches. The most importanrt decision in a century and they will cowardly punt it to Congress.

(Of course this would also mean that all the 14th, the sections dealing with the end of slavery, right of citizenship and our debt will also be moot, until Congress passes ieabling legislation to deal with those Sections. Won’t that chaos be fun?)

That is why I think it will be stupid.

Grunthos the Flatulent 🇳🇿 Jan 7, 2024 • 10:42:24pm

Your next Wordle: I call this one Porch Pirate Pending.

Congressional leaders announce funding deal to avoid government shutdown

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 7, 2024 • 10:49:17pm

About 30 minutes until the first Vulcan Centaur launch, sending the Peregrine lander to the Moon
Also marks the first flight of the Blue Origin BE-4 engine

It’s time! Tune in NOW as we begin the live launch webcast of the #VulcanRocket #Cert1 flight test. NASA anchors the start of the broadcast and ULA will host at L-minus 25 minutes.https://t.co/xFQoT0042V

— ULA (@ulalaunch) January 8, 2024

Live from SLC-41, ULA’s Vulcan is set for its maiden launch with the Peregrine Moon Lander.

Overview:https://t.co/KXo63DB0lJ

NSF Livestream:https://t.co/D9XLPa3X4l pic.twitter.com/ZIu01ZdNi4

— Chris Bergin - NSF (@NASASpaceflight) January 8, 2024

Targetpractice Jan 7, 2024 • 10:52:02pm

re: #55 silverdolphin

I also expect something stupid. But not on a judiciual remedy. He has already been found to be an insurrectionist by several courts. Those are the facts and the SCOTUS cannot rule on facts, only on process. IANAL but have a friend who has educated me ;-)

They will moot all of this, saying the proper process is not in the courts at all. I think they will instead say that since section 5 says Congress shall have the ability to enforce the 14th Amendment, that this is a matter for the Legislature. That this self-enforcing precedent is actually not there. Then they will pat themselves on the back for the Judiciary branch not getting involved in fights over the other two branches. The most importanrt decision in a century and they will cowardly punt it to Congress.

(Of course this would also mean that all the 14th, the sections dealing with the end of slavery, right of citizenship and our debt will also be moot, until Congress passes ieabling legislation to deal with those Sections. Won’t that chaos be fun?)

That is why I think it will be stupid.

I think we’re both in the same ballpark as far as the SCOTUS bench dodging responsibility here by trying to fob it off on someone else. Roberts is not going to go for a ruling that basically just says Trump can do whatever he likes without consequence, but is not going to agree with the other half of the bench that says Trump needs to be held accountable for his actions. So there’s going to be an effort made to split the difference by saying that he is an insurrectionist…but punishing him is not a matter for the states to decide.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 10:55:20pm

The usual suspects are already ranting about how the Dems have caved to the GOP and lost all leverage. They will lose the Black and Youth votes. Without even knowing the details.

First who would you trust in a negotiation - Biden/Schumer/Jeffries or Johnson/McConnell?

Second - we can expect the nutballs to go ballistic and come out saying their goal is to shut down the government. If they succeed, they will be the ones on the public’s hooks, not the Dems.

Third - In this time period, the GOP has only one vote over the 218 needed (if I’ve counted properly - Santos, McCarthy, Scalise). The Dems have 213. So this is only getting passed if Dems agree. They have the real leverage. Especially since I believe Johnson can be recalled at anytime by the nutballs. So, if 5 of the GOP decide to caucus with the Dems, they get control. Could the antics of the nutballs finally piss some of them off? I’m not hopeful but I bet Jeffries/Pelosi have been working on them.

These “progressive” have no real idea of how our government works.And I think they fail to realize how things have changed since Dodd. The Dems have all sort of of ways forward and they have no reason to utterly capitulate. I expect they will outplay the GOP easily in the final matter.

sagehen Jan 7, 2024 • 11:00:46pm

re: #57 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

About 30 minutes until the first Vulcan Centaur launch, sending the Peregrine lander to the Moon
Also marks the first flight of the Blue Origin BE-4 engine

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this seems to call for the lizard who’s been doing AI imagery to give us Mr Spock’s head and torso on a horse’s body.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 11:00:51pm

re: #57 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

About 30 minutes until the first Vulcan Centaur launch, sending the Peregrine lander to the Moon
Also marks the first flight of the Blue Origin BE-4 engine

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Okay enoiugh politics. I’m spending the next 20 minutes watching the launch. I think this could be a big deal, at least for return to the moon again and for more competition with Space-X.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 11:05:07pm

re: #60 sagehen

this seems to call for the lizard who’s been doing AI imagery to give us Mr Spock’s head and torso on a horse’s body.

That would be so much better than the official CERT-1 patch.

Vulcan CERT-1 Patch

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 7, 2024 • 11:07:15pm

re: #61 silverdolphin

Okay enoiugh politics. I’m spending the next 20 minutes watching the launch. I think this could be a big deal, at least for return to the moon again and for more competition with Space-X.

Vulcan Centaur is ULA’s replacement for their Atlas V & Delta IV Heavy rockets. Essentially ULA’s first new rocket system in quite some time

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 7, 2024 • 11:08:57pm

Launch team polling set to begin

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 11:17:39pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I think we’re both in the same ballpark as far as the SCOTUS bench dodging responsibility here by trying to fob it off on someone else. Roberts is not going to go for a ruling that basically just says Trump can do whatever he likes without consequence, but is not going to agree with the other half of the bench that says Trump needs to be held accountable for his actions. So there’s going to be an effort made to split the difference by saying that he is an insurrectionist…but punishing him is not a matter for the states to decide.

I agree. What will be important are the dissenting opinions. They wil be the ones based on law.

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 11:18:07pm

re: #63 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Vulcan Centaur is ULA’s replacement for their Atlas V & Delta IV Heavy rockets. Essentially ULA’s first new rocket system in quite some time

Yep, why I am excited.

Teukka Jan 7, 2024 • 11:29:34pm

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 7, 2024 • 11:37:45pm

re: #66 silverdolphin

Yep, why I am excited.

I’m looking forward to the Vulcan Centaur next launch carrying the first Dream Chaser demonstration launch to ISS

silverdolphin Jan 7, 2024 • 11:38:53pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

I’m looking forward to the Vulcan Centaur next launch carrying the first Dream Chaser demonstration launch to ISS

Is there any date yet for the launch?

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 7, 2024 • 11:50:57pm

re: #69 silverdolphin

Is there any date yet for the launch?

Currently April launch, returning 82 days later

Teukka Jan 7, 2024 • 11:52:08pm

*blinks*

Accurate? #atheist #atheism pic.twitter.com/4I5lEsgodj

— The Thinking Atheist (@ThinkingAtheist) January 6, 2024

sagehen Jan 7, 2024 • 11:56:58pm

re: #71 Teukka

*blinks*

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the 8:80 am wakeup is an obvious typo…or maybe not. Is it possible they have a different clock than the rest of us?

sagehen Jan 7, 2024 • 11:59:05pm

but as long as we’re eating babies…

The Goblin Song - Official Lyric Video | The Church on Ruby Road | Doctor Who

Targetpractice Jan 8, 2024 • 12:03:45am

re: #71 Teukka

*blinks*

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“Eat a baby”? What sort of savage do you take me for? Barely enough meat on their bones to make it worthwhile. You gotta wait until they’re at least 5-6 years old before they’re worth butchering.

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ericblair Jan 8, 2024 • 12:35:41am

re: #72 sagehen

the 8:80 am wakeup is an obvious typo…or maybe not. Is it possible they have a different clock than the rest of us?

It’s when you set your alarm for 8:00 and snooze it eight times.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 1:50:41am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Winter scenes from northern New Mexico on Friday morning after a snowy Thursday and Thursday night.

Makes me homesick. I never lived there but I did live in Northern Arizona and might well have relocated to Santa Fe had I not emigrated to Europe in the late 80’s…

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jan 8, 2024 • 2:06:47am

72 years ago, television comes to the middle of the UK:

1951: Building the HOLME MOSS TRANSMITTER | Newsreel | Making of… | BBC Archive

Love their contour map… with the TV tower represented by a match.

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jan 8, 2024 • 2:22:04am

Seems I remember someone posting here (not long ago) a pic about some accordions…. so I guess there are accordion fans here.

A recent concert by an accordionist, here Samuele Telari plays a bit from _Pictures at an Exhibition_ :

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TarHellion Jan 8, 2024 • 2:45:41am

Starting the week off feeling birbie-licious.

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Visit with Dad yesterday afternoon went well. He recognizes he is facing some challenges. The plan is to sign power of attorney documents (healthcare and durable) on Wednesday. For a man who is nearly 85, he remains in excellent physical condition. But it is clear Parkinson’s Disease Dementia or Lewy Body Dementia is affecting his gait, balance, memory, and ability to process. Thanks to everyone here for all of their encouragement and support!

Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 3:01:33am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs Jan 8, 2024 • 3:04:18am

re: #59 silverdolphin

These “progressive” have no real idea of how our government works.

Consider that many of those progressives (and conservatives) have only seen an obstructionist GOP and have no idea that compromise is what’s supposed to happen to run a government. They’ve heard their whole lives that compromise is bad and winner takes all is what you’re supposed to shoot for. I mean this is all conservatives have been screaming for decades.

I recall an email from Jane Hamster (sorry Jane, you’ll always be a rodent to me) that anything other than Medicare for All was a full stop NO.

There’s no understanding of winning in increments. It’s all immediate gratification; I want everything I want and I want it all now. That’s just not realistic.

Yeah Sure WhatEVs Jan 8, 2024 • 3:08:37am

I’ll take the birb.

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Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 3:26:06am

Snowy mornings don’t usually have birbs.

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Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 3:28:46am

If your plane is leaking air, you should probably PAY ATTENTION.

William Lewis Jan 8, 2024 • 3:38:12am

re: #84 Nerdy Fish

If your plane is leaking air, you should probably PAY ATTENTION.

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I am really beginning to wonder about the whole certification process of the 737 Max. I would not personally be willing to travel on one.

Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 3:40:00am

re: #85 William Lewis

I am really beginning to wonder about the whole certification process of the 737 Max. I would not personally be willing to travel on one.

I was just getting ready to type this out, but unless the NTSB comes out and says that this issue has been reported on multiple planes, expect the 737 Max 9’s to fly again soon. This is a likely indicator of faulty maintenance procedures at Alaska Airlines, if a warning light goes off on 3 consecutive flights and the plane isn’t grounded for a thorough inspection.

William Lewis Jan 8, 2024 • 4:00:42am

re: #86 Nerdy Fish

Sure, except there is a pattern of issues with this plane. A problem here and a problem there and then it’s exacerbated by the crappy maintenance procedures at almost all the airlines these days. If you have a good product that’s poorly maintained, you’ll still be safer than with a poor product that’s poorly maintained. I feel that the whole Max line constitutes a “poor” product under the best of circumstances and is a direct reflection of Boeing being a quarterly driven company rather than a quality or engineering driven company as it was in the days when they bet the firm on the Dash-80.

Tex Johnston rolls a 707

Shropshire Slasher Jan 8, 2024 • 4:03:22am

Some salty morning drive time music.

Young In America

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 4:22:57am

re: #84 Nerdy Fish

If your plane is leaking air, you should probably PAY ATTENTION.

I ignore red lights in my car all the time, but things are different when you are commercially transporting a plane full of passengers.

Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 4:24:17am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I ignore red lights in my car all the time, but things are different when you are commercially transporting a plane full of passengers.

I guess you’ve been lucky that no pedestrians were crossing. ///

Shropshire Slasher Jan 8, 2024 • 4:25:06am

LOL.

Audacy, the radio and podcast giant, said Sunday it filed plans for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in Texas to reduce its debt.

The restructuring agreement will allow Audacy to slash its total debt load by 80% to about $350 million from around $1.9 billion, the company said.

“Over the past few years, we have strategically transformed Audacy into a leading, scaled multi-platform audio content and entertainment company,” David Field, CEO of Audacy, said in a statement.

However, Field added, “the perfect storm” over the past four years of macroeconomic challenges “facing the traditional advertising market” led to a sharp reduction in radio ad spending.

Maybe try playing new music instead of ads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 4:28:49am

re: #90 Randall Gross

I guess you’ve been lucky that no pedestrians were crossing. ///

I meant red lights on my dashboard. I always check for pedestrians and other cars before ignoring red traffic lights.

Shropshire Slasher Jan 8, 2024 • 4:32:08am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I meant red lights on my dashboard. I always check for pedestrians and other cars before ignoring red traffic lights.

When you look up from texting on your phone.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 4:38:26am

re: #93 Shropshire Slasher

When you look up from texting on your phone.

We were at a pedestrian crossing and a lady next to us on her phone failed to notice that it had switched to green. I leaned over and said, “There ought to be an app for that!”

William Lewis Jan 8, 2024 • 4:49:44am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We were at a pedestrian crossing and a lady next to us on her phone failed to notice that it had switched to green. I leaned over and said, “There ought to be an app for that!”

Well, better to not GO than not STOP you have to admit 😎

Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2024 • 4:51:40am

Why it can’t be quite as bad:

Can Congress overturn presidential election results? Here are changes since Jan. 6, 2021
usatoday.com

Off to turn college kids into voters. BBL

Mike Lamb Jan 8, 2024 • 4:58:14am

re: #52 Targetpractice

That’s my expectation, that they’ll punt on the question of whether or not Trump is an insurrectionist by declaring that such is a matter for another court and they can only rule on whether or not he can be barred from the ballot under A14S3. They’ll then move on to say that since they can’t judge him for being an insurrectionist, until the appropriate courts do so, he cannot be barred from the ballot and thus the lower court ruling is overturned. Then play CYA by classifying this under “Bush v. Gore by saying that it’s “extraordinary circumstances” and should be considered a one-off ruling rather than setting precedent on the matter.

Except the CO courts just said he was an insurrectionist.

Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 5:09:21am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I ignore red lights in my car all the time, but things are different when ~~you are commercially transporting a plane full of passengers~~ there’s 30000 feet between you and the ground.

Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 5:10:40am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We were at a pedestrian crossing and a lady next to us on her phone failed to notice that it had switched to green. I leaned over and said, “There ought to be an app for that!”

my favorite is “whazzamatter lady? dont we got any colors you like?”

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 5:12:23am

“Let’s be clear here: Johnson is the only Republican majority leader in town. The White House and Senate are controlled by Democrats. And House Republicans will be down to a two-vote margin soon. So Johnson’s leverage is minuscule.”
“But conservatives didn’t elect Johnson to be McCarthy. They elected him to be the conservative firebreather he was as chair of the Republican Study Committee.”

“That Johnson — the one that existed from 2017 until the fall of 2023 — would’ve probably rejected this agreement. The House Freedom Caucus said the deal was ‘even worse than we thought.’”

Link

i sense popcorn futures rising

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 5:17:30am

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silverdolphin Jan 8, 2024 • 5:38:47am

re: #81 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Consider that many of those progressives (and conservatives) have only seen an obstructionist GOP and have no idea that compromise is what’s supposed to happen to run a government. They’ve heard their whole lives that compromise is bad and winner takes all is what you’re supposed to shoot for. I mean this is all conservatives have been screaming for decades.

I recall an email from Jane Hamster (sorry Jane, you’ll always be a rodent to me) that anything other than Medicare for All was a full stop NO.

There’s no understanding of winning in increments. It’s all immediate gratification; I want everything I want and I want it all now. That’s just not realistic.

IMHO, it is usually their privilege showing. Drowning people will take anything that will keep them afloat. They do not wait for the correct life preserver.

I am always in awe that African-Americans fought for 58 years from Plessy v Ferguson (8-1) to Brown v Board of Education (9-0). Almost 6 decades of incremental efforts. And that struggle still continues.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 5:40:52am

re: #102 silverdolphin

One thing that American are waking up to is that the gains we have made over past decades in personal freedoms, minority, women’s and LGBTQ+ rights cannot be taken for granted: there are people working actively to repeal them.

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Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 5:43:55am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One thing that American are waking up to is that the gains we have made over past decades in personal freedoms, minority, women’s and LGBTQ+ rights cannot be taken for granted: there are people working actively to repeal them.

The thing is, there will always be shitty hateful people who will seek the glory of “the olden days,” when it was acceptable to be shitty and hateful. No matter how far down the line it is, we should never take our progression as a society for granted, lest the shitty hateful people find a way to undo it all.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course) Jan 8, 2024 • 5:52:08am

re: #25 teleskiguy

Screen-nose. I like it.

I always call the mobile phone/computers/cameraz as GLOWING RECTANGLES! “Is there anything interesting on YOUR glowing rectangle?” I ask all the time when I’m surrounded by people looking at their cell phones. It’s so much fun!

Sadly, I was severely chastised for constantly looking at my non-glowing rectangles when I was a child. Now everyone is doing it!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 5:52:15am

re: #104 Nerdy Fish

ah yes, rose-tinted memories of small towns, picket fences, nickel Cokes, hard-working white people, gays in the closet and blacks living on the other side of the tracks…

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Eventual Carrion Jan 8, 2024 • 6:00:26am

re: #80 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

Meh.
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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 6:13:07am

re: #85 William Lewis

I am really beginning to wonder about the whole certification process of the 737 Max. I would not personally be willing to travel on one.

Thanks to DVTs in both legs and Doctor’s orders I can’t fly. I fall back on mass transit and Amtrak.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 6:14:33am

And look who is getting involved in the Boeing mess…yeah he decided to make an appearance…

alternet.org

Nader…

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 6:14:53am

Tanya Chutkan, presiding judge in Trump’s D.C. criminal case, may have been the target of a “swatting” call tonight.

Police & fire services responded to a reported shooting at a home in D.C. They found nothing.

Per property records, Chutkan owns the home.

h/t @DaveStroup pic.twitter.com/mKZaMUZdIm

— Anna Bower (@AnnaBower) January 8, 2024

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Shropshire Slasher Jan 8, 2024 • 6:15:26am

An Israeli strike on south Lebanon on Monday killed a senior commander in Hezbollah’s elite Radwan force, three security sources told Reuters.
The security sources identified him as Wissam al-Tawil, the deputy head of a unit within the Radwan force. They said he and another Hezbollah fighter were killed when their car was hit in a strike on the Lebanese village of Majdal Selm.

“This is a very painful strike,” one of the security sources said. Another said, “things will flare up now.”

Israeli bombardment has killed more than 130 Hezbollah fighters in southern Lebanon since cross-border shelling began in the aftermath of Hamas’s attack on Israeli territory on Oct. 7. Another 19 have been killed in Syria.

news.yahoo.com

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Eventual Carrion Jan 8, 2024 • 6:16:34am

Solid! Connections

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 6:17:01am

Greets and saluts from the *white* encrusted NYC metro area. Northern NJ finally got something resembling snowfall, and a little more than trace amount fell in NYC, meaning that its streak of nearly 700 days without an inch of snow at Central Park remains intact.

Of course, we’ve got another storm coming midweek, and temps will be too warm for it to snow. That’s the problem, as we’re expecting more flooding because of the snow on the ground will be melting as 2-3 inches of rain falls (some areas might see more), which means areas that flooded in the last pair of storms will see even more flooding.

Welcome to climate change folks, because it’s here and it’s not going away.

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BlueSpotinAL ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 6:17:41am

re: #109 Joe Bacon ✅

And look who is getting involved in the Boeing mess…yeah he decided to make an appearance…

alternet.org

Nader…

look for the report Unsafe at Any Elevation

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines Jan 8, 2024 • 6:18:45am

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BlueSpotinAL ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 6:20:15am

re: #79 TarHellion

Starting the week off feeling birbie-licious.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 6:22:02am

We had a tiny, tiny dusting of popcorn snow on the Rhine this morning, but temps have finally returned to wintery near or sub-freezing.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 6:22:36am

Conservative zeroes in on ‘least plausible’ claim Trump made about Civil War

Donald Trump blamed the Civil War on Abraham Lincoln in a campaign speech over the weekend, but conservative Charlie Sykes said his sourcing was implausible.Donald Trump blamed the Civil War on Abraham Lincoln in a campaign speech over the weekend, but conservative Charlie Sykes said his sourcing was implausible.

The ex-president spoke to supporters in Iowa, where he claimed Lincoln should have “negotiated” an end to slavery to avoid bloodshed, and Sykes told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that was one more example of Trump’s right-wing extremism.

“The reality is, Donald Trump right now is so far off the normal spectrum of American politics that it’s been difficult for the last seven years to talk about it,” Sykes said. “It is going to be difficult for the next year without sounding like we are suffering from ‘Trump derangement syndrome.’ The reality is, Donald Trump is saying, basically, you think I’m dangerous? Hold my beer - this is what I’m going to do, this is what I believe.”

Trump suggested that he’d read a book laying out the case to negotiate an end to slavery, which historians have roundly agreed would not have been possible to avoid its expansion or bring about emancipation, and Sykes ridiculed the former president’s intellectual abilities.

“By the way, I have to say, the least plausible thing that he said over the weekend was that he was actually reading something,” Sykes said.

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 6:24:51am

Vivek knows better. He’s just trying to be famous. Epps reached out to FBI when he saw his picture on most wanted then they took him off because he called. That’s what a most wanted list is ass hat https://t.co/DhwO0Nz8fp

— Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱 (@AdamKinzinger) January 8, 2024

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 6:29:08am

re: #119 lawhawk

Just remember folks that the GOP now says the thug mob on 1/6 are now hostages…at the same time they say they are FBI instigators, Antifa and Black Lives Matters hoodlums…

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silverdolphin Jan 8, 2024 • 6:30:11am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #104 Nerdy Fish

I have not had my coffee so I hope this makes sense.

We have had 6 defined political party systems since 1776. Three have been driven by such disruptive impacts of technology that we had to completely reorganize our society,
1- canals
3- railroad.telegraph
5 - ICE/mass production

The reorganiztion came because each technology substantially reduced the time for information to flow. A society designed to make economic decisions when it took a month to travel the Atlantic would not be effective when the railroad forced decisons by the week or air travel forced decisions by the day. We had to reorganize to deal with the economic disruptions brought by greater information flow.

Naturally some groups, usually those who had been sucessful with the old approaches, resisted..

The even numbered political systems were usually conservative driven reactions to these changes:
2 - Jackson
4 - Teddy
6 - Nixon

We are in the middle of the formation of the 7th political party system, driven by IT/personal computing. Decisions must be made based on milliseconds or shorter. So a new organization structure resulting from economic pressures is producing a new political party system. (This structure requires a more dispersed structure with more collaborative and diverse people participating in order to most effectively solve the complex problems these new technologies produce. One person does not usually produce a million lines of relatively bug-free, documented, workable code. Collaborative groups with multiple points of view can.)

This would seem to look like one step forward and one step back with no real motion. But I see it as a spiral staircase. We may return to the same position but it is a level up. We maintain the organizational structure to make quicker decisions based on more rapid informaton transfer. And suppress those impulses that act to slow that down.

But that does not mean those impulses go away. We do have to fight against the same implulses each time; those that want to maintain the older, less efficient organizational structures that gave them power. They will always lose because they are unable to make wise decisions in a world where information travels exponentially faster. The British, the South, the Axis and now the MAGA did (do) stupid stuff all the time because they cannot turn the huge information glut into wise decisions.

But they can do a lot of damage. Which is why the sooner we destroy the GOP, the sooner we can move up another flght of stairs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 6:30:53am

re: #118 Joe Bacon ✅

Yes, in retrospect it would have cost less money (and spared massive bloodshed) to simply buy out all the slaves in the South.

But that is not how things play out in human society.

We had to fight an ideological war to overcome a dangerous, divisive but firmly-rooted belief that whites were superior and that slavery was fully in keeping with Divine Law.

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William Lewis Jan 8, 2024 • 6:35:51am

A bit chilly at the beach today … 😉

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Shropshire Slasher Jan 8, 2024 • 6:37:44am

re: #119 lawhawk

That was a pretty funny video, Epps was telling people to go into the capitol, and the protestors were chanting “fed fed fed!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 6:38:11am

re: #124 Shropshire Slasher

That was a pretty funny video, Epps was telling people to go into the capitol, and the protestors were chanting “fed fed fed!”

were they hungry?

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Eventual Carrion Jan 8, 2024 • 6:41:35am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

were they hungry?

Yes they were. But don’t feed the animals because then they will become dependent.

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silverdolphin Jan 8, 2024 • 6:42:23am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, in retrospect it would have cost less money (and spared massive bloodshed) to simply buy out the slaves in the South.

But that is not how things play out in human society.

We had to fight an ideological battle to overcome a dangerous, divisive but firmly-rooted belief that whites were superior and that slavery was fully in keeping with Divine Law.

And a big problem with ‘buying’ the slaves in order to free them was that the slaveholders were concerned about future value. Due to procreation, their economic investment grew faster each year than most any other investments. Their rate of return was large (some have estimated that some plantations saw over an annual 18% return). That is one thing that made slavery so horrific - the economics. Where were they supposed to invest the money they got that gave them anything like the return on slaves? Thus why nothing other than war was ever going to work.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 6:43:38am

re: #120 Joe Bacon ✅

Just remember folks that the GOP now says the thug mob on 1/6 are now hostages…at the same time they say they are FBI instigators, Antifa and Black Lives Matters hoodlums…

Same with lazy Mexicans stealing all the hard working jobs

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 6:44:14am

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 6:45:50am

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 6:47:14am

dailykos.com

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A Cranky One Jan 8, 2024 • 6:49:21am

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jeffreyw Jan 8, 2024 • 6:52:34am

Chili Cheese Chips

Good morning!

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 7:09:42am

mastodon.sdf.org

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 7:11:13am

Bah, this goes with above link, SDF doesn’t do embeds…

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darthstar Jan 8, 2024 • 7:13:36am

re: #136 Randall Gross

Bah, this goes with above link, SDF doesn’t do embeds…

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I saw that yesterday - Scavino’s lawyers must see the writing on the wall about unindicted co-conspirators getting indicted in the future, because they held onto this secret for three years until they needed it.

It goes against one of Trump’s major defense arguments.

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 7:14:01am

Did you ever notice what babies those “Master Race” believers are?

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 7:16:49am

Idk why this is so hard to understand. Drugs don’t make people do bad things; they can lower inhibitions for people who already want to do bad things to act on those existing impulses.

No drugs make you transphobic or antisemitic. Elon Musk isn’t terrible cause he uses ketamine. https://t.co/RHWhOeG1xC

— Ryan Marino, MD (@RyanMarino) January 7, 2024

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 7:20:29am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, in retrospect it would have cost less money (and spared massive bloodshed) to simply buy out all the slaves in the South.

But that is not how things play out in human society.

We had to fight an ideological war to overcome a dangerous, divisive but firmly-rooted belief that whites were superior and that slavery was fully in keeping with Divine Law.

Spending money to buy all of the slaves sounds like the story about the king who paid per mouse captured to get rid of them. It would have only ended slavery if all of the slaves were shipped to another country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 7:21:37am

re: #140 Belafon

Spending money to buy all of the slaves sounds like the story about the king who paid per mouse captured to get rid of them. It would have only ended slavery if all of the slaves were shipped to another country.

That was also part of the plan: to ship them all back to Liberia.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 7:22:05am

‘Crazy to me’: Trump lawyer spills plan to use ancient war law for immigrant crackdown

Will he use it on Dinesh D’Souza and Ramadamadingdong?

Donald Trump is planning to take an 18th-century law meant to target wartime aggressors and use it to embark on a massive program of deportations, insiders in his camp have revealed.

The three sources told Rolling Stone his camp is developing “legally dubious justifications” to use the Alien Enemies Act against undocumented immigrants.

The law was introduced in 1798 to target foreign governments’ acting against the U.S. during wartime. The lawyer, who has been a frequent adviser to Trump for years, told Rolling Stone the scheming about how to use it against immigrants is “very convoluted and crazy to me.”

He added, “I really don’t know how you get away with this in court.”

The law gives presidents to ability to remove foreign nationals from countries with which the U.S. is at war.

The biggest problem is, the U.S. has not declared war on any of the Latin American countries whose citizens Trump is targeting, Rolling Stone reported.

The report states, “The sources say a second Trump administration would, for instance, argue in court that cartels, gangs, and drug dealers in Latin America have, essentially, co-opted and corrupted their governments to such a degree that the criminals represent effective state actors.

“Trump and his senior officials would present documents and evidence that these foreign nations — including Mexico and El Salvador — have lengthy track records of corrupt high-level government and law-enforcement officials being on the payroll of and working with drug cartels and violent criminal groups.”

A Trump government would, effectively, claim that members of cartels and gangs being in the U.S. could be considered an invasion by narco-states.

“I’m pretty skeptical that courts would accept the idea that the current migration conditions would satisfy the requirements of the Alien Enemies Act,” Adam Cox, an immigration expert from NYU School of Law, told Rolling Stone.

“The only times it’s ever been invoked in our history are in cases of actual hostilities with other nations. There’s not really any historical basis for reading this to encompass actions by non-state actors, nor is there any textual basis for doing that.”

Rolling Stone added, “According to the two sources, Trump mentioned that it was important to also use the law to expel their family members and associates and others in their networks who were also non-citizens — even if they weren’t, strictly speaking, ‘cartel members.’”

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 7:23:50am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 7:26:04am

re: #142 Joe Bacon ✅

‘Crazy to me’: Trump lawyer spills plan to use ancient war law for immigrant crackdown

The point is that that they would go about rounding up and deporting people en masse until a court finally issued an injunction against it, which they would then ignore until it was appealed to the highest legal instance. By then, thousands and thousands would have been rounded up and deported, regardless of the outcome.

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 7:27:28am

re: #142 Joe Bacon ✅

More to the point, none of these drug cartels want war or have declared war on the US.

Rather, they’re providing Americans with something that they desire - drugs (however illicit that drug consumption in the US under US law is).

Trump’s insane legal counsel and those enabling his fascist impulses don’t care about petty facts or reasoning. They’ll try and claim that the fringes on the flag are enough to give Trump whatever power he wants to do what he wants, regardless of the consequences (or perhaps because of the consequences, he will push the conspiracy to its extreme, because the base doesn’t care about facts or reality either).

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 7:28:59am

NEW:

Dramatic new Jan. 6 video shows two GOP representatives speaking with Capitol rioters through the broken windows of the House chamber doors as officers point weapons at the mob attempting to breach the floor.

This evidence was released in response to a request by @NBCNews. pic.twitter.com/ZL5kgGlFzi

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) January 6, 2024

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 7:31:01am

re: #146 Belafon

peaceful tourists all

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 7:32:24am

‘Sobering’ study shows Americans ‘disregard’ democratic principles when it’s convenient

Actually change that to this:

‘Sobering’ study shows ~~Americans~~ Republicans ‘disregard’ democratic principles when it’s convenient.

On Thursday, January 4, Democracy Fund released a report titled “Democracy Hypocrisy: Examining America’s Fragile Democratic Convictions.”

The Bulwark’s Charlie Sykes analyzes the study in a January 5 column, laying out some reasons why he finds it “sobering.”

The Never Trump conservative argues, “How fragile are our liberal constitutional norms? On Thursday, the Democracy Fund released a sobering study that is very much worth your attention. They found that the overwhelming majority of Americans say that having a democracy is a good thing. But when it comes to the details…. here are the key findings.”

Sykes notes that according to Democracy Fund’s study, the “vast majority of Americans claim to support democracy” — but “support for democratic norms softens considerably when they conflict with partisanship.”…

alternet.org

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 7:32:56am

re: #146 Belafon

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Said one rioter: “We’re coming in one way or another. They can only kill so many of us.”

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 7:34:50am

re: #149 Dangerman

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 7:36:37am

re: #150 Dangerman

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And yet my Jesusbot Relatives demand that Ashli Babbitt’s Birthday should be a National Holiday…

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Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 7:37:24am

re: #150 Dangerman

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We’ve been saying that for OVER THREE YEARS now. The Republican nutters want to make her into a martyr because they wanted the coup to succeed, not because there’s any principled opposition to her death.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 7:37:46am

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 7:37:58am

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 7:40:02am

re: #153 Dangerman

Maybe you shouldn’t be a reporter if you can’t take the same oath the military and elected officials do to defend the country and constitution.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 7:40:52am

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 7:46:21am

re: #150 Dangerman

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The rioters thought that most of the government would be on their side. There was no way she was going to be shot by some security guy. He would be on her side.

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 7:47:23am

re: #146 Belafon

Supposedly this is evidence that Babbit’s family wants to show as proof that the LEOs murdered their insurrectionist treasonweasel daughter.

Far from it of course - she continued to engage in criminal conduct and were warned to stop or else deadly force would be used to protect Congress.

Her family are being played by right wingers (and are themselves such).

I have zero sympathy for any of these insurrectionists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 7:47:35am

re: #157 Belafon

The rioters thought that most of the government would be on their side. There was no way she was going to be shot by some security guy. He would be on her side.

They rioters should have been encirled, locked in, gassed unconscious and rounded up.

The fact that they were allowed to leave largely unmolested says a lot about who was on whose side.

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 7:50:36am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They rioters should have been encirled, locked in, gassed unconscious and rounded up.

The fact that they were allowed to leave largely unmolested says a lot about who was on whose side.

And the Capitol police figured it out at that moment, and knew they weren’t going to get the resources to properly handle it from the Executive, so all they could do was minimize damage and death, and hopefully deal with it later.

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Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 7:52:58am

re: #158 lawhawk

She played stupid games, she won a stupid prize - a Capitol Police officer’s bullet. They can try to exonerate her all they want, but being the only one killed during a violent riot/insurrection that occupied some of the most sacred halls of American Government during a critical time is saying something.

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 7:53:15am

re: #160 Belafon

Any other riot of this kind would have resulted in 100s, if not 1000s of arrests in the moment, just as surely as we’ve seen crackdowns on criminal conduct in riots in other cities (before and since 1/6). Instead, these seditious treasonweasels were allowed to scurry away and the FBI has been playing catchup ever since.

In fact, DOJ has been playing catchup ever since. It took months before the DC Federal Attorney was confirmed, let alone AG Garland. All of those delays enabled the seditious treasonweasels to escape justice and delay it even further.

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2024 • 7:55:03am

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 8:02:57am

next in the storied franchise:

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 8:05:07am

Yep! Off-Brand Orbán is into crypto…

The Beths - “Your Side” (Official)

‘Extreme disadvantage’: Expert fears Trump’s pro-crypto plans risk ‘financial stability’

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Romantic Heretic Jan 8, 2024 • 8:05:22am

re: #52 Targetpractice

Then play CYA by classifying this under “Bush v. Gore by saying that it’s “extraordinary circumstances” and should be considered a one-off ruling rather than setting precedent on the matter.

Doesn’t that mean they’re using Bush v. Gore as precedent? Can a one-off be used as precedent?

How found are you when you’re found by someone who’s lost? //

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Randall Gross Jan 8, 2024 • 8:05:37am

New from the Beths

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2024 • 8:08:48am

re: #165 Joe Bacon ✅

Yep! Off-Brand Orbán is into crypto…

rawstory.com

‘Extreme disadvantage’: Expert fears Trump’s pro-crypto plans risk ‘financial stability’

Okay, that’s my new favorite nickname for him.

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 8:13:24am

Biden will visit church where Black people were killed to lay out election stakes and perils of hate https://t.co/HVkEOw9YkV

— Jeffrey Levin 🇺🇦 (@jilevin) January 8, 2024

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Shropshire Slasher Jan 8, 2024 • 8:13:54am

Whose turn is it to watch Lloyd?

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2024 • 8:14:25am

One reason why Republicans have abandoned legislating is because right-wing media disincentivizes it. You don’t get invited on Fox & Newsmax to talk about a bill to lower health care costs. But if you cooked up a new conspiracy your phone will ring off the hook from producers.

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) January 8, 2024

THIS. It’s the culture war stuff that’s good for sound bites.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 8:15:55am

re: #169 lawhawk

Biden will visit church where Black people were killed to lay out election stakes and perils of hate

You can bet your last bottle of Gatorade that this will be spun as “inciting revenge against white people and promoting white genocide”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 8:16:38am

re: #171 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS. It’s the culture war stuff that’s good for sound bites.

and sound bites are good for ratings

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 8:17:46am

Look at the bright side folks.

When Trump loses in November he’ll need to look for a new gig.

I hear the Golden Globes is looking for a new host come 2025…😏

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 8:20:24am

re: #174 Joe Bacon ✅

When Trump loses in November he’ll need to look for a new gig.

He already has a gig lined up as a professional election denier

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 8:23:02am

re: #80 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

Meh.
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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 8:24:42am

re: #174 Joe Bacon ✅

Look at the bright side folks.

When Trump loses in November he’ll need to look for a new gig.

I hear the Golden Globes is looking for a new host come 2025…😏

“Why wasn’t Home Alone 2 nominated for any awards? There were some great actors in it. It’s much better than Barbie or that one about the bomb.”

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nines09 Jan 8, 2024 • 8:28:39am

Rachael Price has a beautiful voice. Gorgeous.

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 8:29:44am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He already has a gig lined up as a professional election denier

I think he needs to be put in a secluded location so he can write about his struggle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 8:32:39am

re: #142 Joe Bacon ✅

The law gives presidents to ability to remove foreign nationals from countries with which the U.S. is at war.

The biggest problem is, the U.S. has not declared war on any of the Latin American countries whose citizens Trump is targeting, Rolling Stone reported.

I recall reading Sinclair Lewis’ It Can’t Happen Here in High School History class about a Fascist takeover in the USA and of the things that would-be dictator “Buzz” Windrip does is to consolidate his power is to declare war on Mexico based on fictitious grounds.

For people who don’t read a lot, they certainly are following the classic playbook…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 8:34:11am

re: #179 Belafon

I think he needs to be put in a secluded location so he can write about his struggle.

yes, imprisonment will certainly tame him…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 8, 2024 • 8:35:13am

Please don’t fill this online form with a joke name and email address, it would really mess with their data harvesting. https://t.co/2UlHwNbnsf

— Kate Montague (@kmontaguekate) January 8, 2024

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 8, 2024 • 8:46:06am

re: #182 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Damn. Wont let me submit. I click the red button and nothing. 😂

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BeenHereAwhile Jan 8, 2024 • 8:46:38am

re: #140 Belafon

Spending money to buy all of the slaves sounds like the story about the king who paid per mouse captured to get rid of them. It would have only ended slavery if all of the slaves were shipped to another country.

Britain passed a tax on each slave owned.

Then in 1833 Britain outlawed slavery with reparations to be paid to the slave owner for each slave on the tax rolls in most British colonies. There were some exceptions e.g. the East India Company which allowed slavery until the 1840s.

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 8, 2024 • 8:48:22am

re: #164 Randall Gross

Just a fan-made trailer from some little studio. Not sure how I’d feel about it anyway if it were real. 😅😅😅

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 8, 2024 • 8:48:56am

re: #183 GlutenFreeJesus

Damn. Wont let me submit. I click the red button and nothing. 😂

Yeah, probably reads your IP address and knows you’re not in Great Britain

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 8:50:47am

re: #112 Eventual Carrion

Solid! Connections

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Should have solved in 4. I worked with words written on a separate piece of paper — and for some reason, I transferred a totally incorrect word to the sheet. No wonder my combinations failed!

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 8:55:56am

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A Cranky One Jan 8, 2024 • 8:56:13am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 9:01:05am

re: #189 A Cranky One

and that she’s being paid to sit next to him and smile

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2024 • 9:01:32am

Trump begs Georgia judge to dismiss case with 3 desperate motions in single morninghttps://t.co/Kz53jE0ADB

— Raw Story (@RawStory) January 8, 2024

tl;dr:

First filing: “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!”

Second filing: “THE REPUBS ALREADY DOVE ON THIS GRENADE!”

Third filing: “MY LAWYERS NEVER TOLD ME THAT WAS A CRIME!!!”

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 9:02:04am

re: #118 Joe Bacon ✅

…….

The ex-president spoke to supporters in Iowa, where he claimed Lincoln should have “negotiated” an end to slavery to avoid bloodshed, and Sykes told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that was one more example of Trump’s right-wing extremism.

………..
Trump suggested that he’d read a book laying out the case to negotiate an end to slavery, which historians have roundly agreed would not have been possible to avoid its expansion or bring about emancipation, and Sykes ridiculed the former president’s intellectual abilities.

“By the way, I have to say, the least plausible thing that he said over the weekend was that he was actually reading something,” Sykes said.

rawstory.com

The idea that the South would have been willing to sell those who were essential to maintaining their plantations is ridiculous. Where were they going to get replacement workers? Of course, they might have been willing to “free” them by making them serfs, instead of slaves, a distinction without any meaning.

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nines09 Jan 8, 2024 • 9:06:37am

Probably never would have been WWII if we only reached out to Hitler and the Nazis.
They only wanted Europe. Not us. Why we fighting?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 9:08:29am

re: #191 Targetpractice

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tl;dr:

First filing: “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!”

Second filing: “THE REPUBS ALREADY DOVE ON THIS GRENADE!”

Third filing: “MY LAWYERS NEVER TOLD ME THAT WAS A CRIME!!!”

to be followed by

“AND EVEN IF IT WAS A CRIME, I AM PRESIDENTIALLY IMMUNE!!!”

to be followed by

“WHEN I GET RE-ELECTED, I’M COMING AFTER ALL OF YOU!!!”

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darthstar Jan 8, 2024 • 9:09:29am

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darthstar Jan 8, 2024 • 9:11:32am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

to be followed by

“AND EVEN IF IT WAS A CRIME, I AM PRESIDENTIALLY IMMUNE!!!”

to be followed by

“WHEN I GET RE-ELECTED, I’M COMING AFTER ALL OF YOU!!!”

Georgia going forward with their prosecution is awesome. If the supreme Court wants to give him immunity, they can do that after his trial is over.

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Romantic Heretic Jan 8, 2024 • 9:12:55am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and sound bites are good for ~~ratings~~ drug sales.

Because most of media, but especially right wing media, is about selling the drugs fear, anger, and hate.

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sagehen Jan 8, 2024 • 9:13:35am

re: #192 Hecuba’s daughter

The idea that the South would have been willing to sell those who were essential to maintaining their plantations is ridiculous. Where were they going to get replacement workers? Of course, they might have been willing to “free” them by making them serfs, instead of slaves, a distinction without any meaning.

The big difference between serfs and slaves is that serfs are not chattel. They’re real estate, attachments to the land. You can’t sell them away, or break up families by selling their kids away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 9:14:00am

re: #197 Romantic Heretic

Because most of media, but especially right wing media, is about selling the drugs fear, anger, and hate.

at least half their target audience is already on some sort of prescription psychoactive or opioid…

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A Cranky One Jan 8, 2024 • 9:14:23am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 9:14:37am

re: #198 sagehen

The big difference between serfs and slaves is that serfs are not chattel. They’re real estate, attachments to the land. You can’t sell them away, or break up families by selling their kids away.

Slightly less miserable but still far from full citizenship

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2024 • 9:16:55am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

to be followed by

“AND EVEN IF IT WAS A CRIME, I AM PRESIDENTIALLY IMMUNE!!!”

to be followed by

“WHEN I GET RE-ELECTED, I’M COMING AFTER ALL OF YOU!!!”

That’s actually the first filing, claiming (yes, again) that he’s “absolute immunity” because apparently he assumed powers from the states and Congress to run the 2020 election and thus it was totally legit for him to call the SecState of GA and pressure him to “find” votes.

The second filing is the “double jeopardy” BS that says being impeached and “acquitted” means he can never be charged again, in direct contravention of the Constitution laying out that impeachment is a political process and presidents can be criminally charged later.

And the third filing is claiming that “due process” has been violated because nobody took little Donny aside and informed him that attempting to steal an election can be charged as a crime if you fail in the effort.

For such a brave and strong guy, he seems to be shitting his drawers at a ruinous rate.

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Jay C Jan 8, 2024 • 9:18:31am

re: #192 Hecuba’s daughter

The idea that the South would have been willing to sell those who were essential to maintaining their plantations is ridiculous. Where were they going to get replacement workers? Of course, they might have been willing to “free” them by making them serfs, instead of slaves, a distinction without any meaning.

Not to mention the problem of how to deal with a large, suddenly emancipated population of “subhuman” “inferiors”, whose rigorous and absolute exclusion from any meaningful participation in the social, economic and political spheres of the community was the bedrock principle of their lives.

Actually, in most of the former slave states, (and elsewhere) it was dealt with via the Jim Crow system of violently-enforced segregation, which presumably, a “negotiated” lack of Civil War would merely have initiated sooner…

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Belafon Jan 8, 2024 • 9:27:03am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

~~Slightly~~ less miserable but still far from full citizenship

Getting to keep your children is a pretty big deal. But still really far to go.

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2024 • 9:27:12am

re: #203 Jay C

Not to mention the problem of how to deal with a large, suddenly emancipated population of “subhuman” “inferiors”, whose rigorous and absolute exclusion from any meaningful participation in the social, economic and political spheres of the community was the bedrock principle of their lives.

Actually, in most of the former slave states, (and elsewhere) it was dealt with via the Jim Crow system of violently-enforced segregation, which presumably, a “negotiated” lack of Civil War would merely have initiated sooner…

Yeah, that’s the reality of the idea of a “negotiated” end to slavery, that you wouldn’t just wake up to a world where all the results of the Civil War took place without the bloodshed and animosity that shaped the nation for decades to come. No 13th or 14th amendments, no Reconstruction laws, no foot in the door for black politicians, and very likely a totally different political system from what we’re familiar with. If anything, the push for equality and citizenship in such a world would have been delayed by generations as the argument would simply be made that we’d given them “freedom,” we didn’t owe them anything further.

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2024 • 9:28:54am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 9:29:57am

re: #204 Belafon

Getting to keep your children is a pretty big deal. But still really far to go.

They can still get hired away to another master.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 8, 2024 • 9:30:55am

re: #206 wrenchwench

This photo is such a slay. 1976, Supreme Court’s building staff sat for a portrait while the photographer prepped for the official shot of the justices.

Could’ve been 1856

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 9:38:16am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They can still get hired away to another master.

On further thought, it wouldn’t be traditional “serfdom”, instead it would be designed to make the workers’ lives even more miserable than they were under slavery. The evil from then persists today under the government of DeSantis and most other GOP governors in the South. If Reconstruction had survived, things might be different — but it lasted such a brief time to be replaced by Jim Crow and lynching + giving the South even more representation since the blacks who were still denied the right to vote counted now as a full person, not 3/5.

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2024 • 9:45:40am

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 9:50:36am

re: #202 Targetpractice

That’s actually the first filing, claiming (yes, again) that he’s “absolute immunity” because apparently he assumed powers from the states and Congress to run the 2020 election and thus it was totally legit for him to call the SecState of GA and pressure him to “find” votes.

The second filing is the “double jeopardy” BS that says being impeached and “acquitted” means he can never be charged again, in direct contravention of the Constitution laying out that impeachment is a political process and presidents can be criminally charged later.

And the third filing is claiming that “due process” has been violated because nobody took little Donny aside and informed him that attempting to steal an election can be charged as a crime if you fail in the effort.

For such a brave and strong guy, he seems to be shitting his drawers at a ruinous rate.

I’d take umbrage with the bolded part, since it is only a DOJ opinion that the POTUS can only be charged after being in office, and not indicted while in office.

That dates back to Watergate era, and that opinion should have been thrown in a shredder, wrapped in concrete and thrown into the Mariana Trench as soon as Biden was able to get DOJ rid of Trumpists. A president who engages in criminal conduct should get indicted while they’re in office. Impeachment is a political process. Indictment is a criminal process, and Trump deserved both (and still does).

No one is above the law. No one.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Jan 8, 2024 • 9:51:18am

Photo of white supremacist at anti-LGBTQ+ protest wearing jacket that reads “Support Your Local Einsatzkommando.” The Einsatzkommandos were groups of SS responsible for mass murdering Jews in the Soviet Union in 1941-42. Photo from: https://t.co/LSWarhd4SF. pic.twitter.com/ZIbXUk7WcO

— Mark Pitcavage (@egavactip) January 8, 2024

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 9:56:23am

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darthstar Jan 8, 2024 • 9:59:36am

President Biden is ripping Trump a new asshole right now. He was briefly interrupted by protesters chanting ceasefire now, but he deftly responded.

Quote of the day: “He’s a loser.” -Biden on Trump

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2024 • 9:59:51am

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2024 • 10:02:31am

re: #214 darthstar

Joe is going to make him completely melt down during the debates.

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darthstar Jan 8, 2024 • 10:08:16am

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Joe is going to make him completely melt down during the debates.

There will be no debate. President Biden is campaigning on a message of hope and continued growth… Trump is campaigning on revenge.

Put those two messages side by side and see what people choose.

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 10:08:26am

re: #211 lawhawk

I’d take umbrage with the bolded part, since it is only a DOJ opinion that the POTUS can only be charged after being in office, and not indicted while in office.

That dates back to Watergate era, and that opinion should have been thrown in a shredder, wrapped in concrete and thrown into the Mariana Trench as soon as Biden was able to get DOJ rid of Trumpists. A president who engages in criminal conduct should get indicted while they’re in office.

No one is above the law. No one.

Why was Clinton forced to testify in the Paula Jones case? Is it because it was a civil case and not a criminal case? Did the rules change on that when Trump got elected?

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 10:09:52am

re: #218 Hecuba’s daughter

Paula Jones was a civil case.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jan 8, 2024 • 10:12:12am

Also sort of hard for Lincoln to negotiate when several states secede before he evens takes the oath of office and is in position to actually carry something like that out.

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darthstar Jan 8, 2024 • 10:18:24am

President Biden came out strong against white supremacy, so the GOP rebuttal should be interesting.

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sagehen Jan 8, 2024 • 10:19:03am

re: #204 Belafon

Getting to keep your children is a pretty big deal. But still really far to go.

Plus, no matter how rich the Lord of the Manor might be, he can’t just go out and buy more serfs. If he kills or injures too many, that’s his harvest workforce gone.

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PhillyPretzel ✅ Jan 8, 2024 • 10:19:06am

re: #221 darthstar

To say the very least.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 10:20:00am

re: #160 Belafon

And the Capitol police figured it out at that moment, and knew they weren’t going to get the resources to properly handle it from the Executive, so all they could do was minimize damage and death, and hopefully deal with it later.

This
A lot

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2024 • 10:22:24am

re: #221 darthstar

President Biden came out strong against white supremacy, so the GOP rebuttal should be interesting.

I’m sure it will read better in the original German.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 10:23:20am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and sound bites are good for ratings

The under!ying point is their policies arent
Not good for ratings
Not popular

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 10:26:37am

re: #221 darthstar

President Biden came out strong against white supremacy, so the GOP rebuttal should be interesting.

The GOP cult responds that it’s Democrats who are the real racists — that they are racist against white people. Rufo has been quite successful at his messaging, especially given how it provides an excuse for the hostility that white “Christian” Trump supporters feel toward minorities.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 10:29:14am

re: #192 Hecuba’s daughter

The idea that the South would have been willing to sell those who were essential to maintaining their plantations is ridiculous. Where were they going to get replacement workers? Of course, they might have been willing to “free” them by making them serfs, instead of slaves, a distinction without any meaning.

I want him to name the book he “read”

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 10:31:30am

re: #228 Dangerman

I want him to name the book he “read”

Am sure it was Stephen Miller who did the reading and provided the lines for Trump to recite.

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Dangerman Jan 8, 2024 • 10:32:54am

re: #202 Targetpractice

That’s actually the first filing, claiming (yes, again) that he’s “absolute immunity” because apparently he assumed powers from the states and Congress to run the 2020 election and thus it was totally legit for him to call the SecState of GA and pressure him to “find” votes.

The second filing is the “double jeopardy” BS that says being impeached and “acquitted” means he can never be charged again, in direct contravention of the Constitution laying out that impeachment is a political process and presidents can be criminally charged later.

And the third filing is claiming that “due process” has been violated because nobody took little Donny aside and informed him that attempting to steal an election can be charged as a crime if you fail in the effort.

For such a brave and strong guy, he seems to be shitting his drawers at a ruinous rate.

If he’s absolutely immune why would anyone have to warn him he wasnt? (ie the third filing)

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 8, 2024 • 10:34:49am

re: #230 Dangerman

If he’s absolutely immune why would anyone have to warn him he wasnt? (ie the third filing)

Isn’t that normal lawyer stuff? Throw out every possible argument, even if they are inconsistent, and then see what sticks?

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Nerdy Fish Jan 8, 2024 • 10:35:46am

re: #230 Dangerman

If he’s absolutely immune why would anyone have to warn him he wasnt? (ie the third filing)

I mean, it’s a standard legal strategy:

1) I’m immune;
2) If you disagree and find I’m not immune, I was double jeopardized;
3) If you disagree and find I wasn’t double jeopardized, I still should get off the hook because I wasn’t told it was wrong.

Are they all stupid defenses? Yes. Do they make any sense when put in combination? Of course not. But the idea is to present them all at once, so as to give the judges the best possible chance to find one thing in there that they will latch onto and use to get him off the hook.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2024 • 10:43:24am

re: #232 Nerdy Fish

I mean, it’s a standard legal strategy:

1) I’m immune;
2) If you disagree and find I’m not immune, I was double jeopardized;
3) If you disagree and find I wasn’t double jeopardized, I still should get off the hook because I wasn’t told it was wrong.

Are they all stupid defenses? Yes. Do they make any sense when put in combination? Of course not. But the idea is to present them all at once, so as to give the judges the best possible chance to find one thing in there that they will latch onto and use to get him off the hook.

Judges should start responding to this crap with instantaneous dismissals, combined with a referral of the offending attorneys to their state bars for sanctions, with recommendations of disbarment. This shit is frivolous and should be treated as such.

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lawhawk Jan 8, 2024 • 10:43:35am

re: #232 Nerdy Fish

I mean, it’s a standard legal strategy:

1) I’m immune;
2) If you disagree and find I’m not immune, I was double jeopardized;
3) If you disagree and find I wasn’t double jeopardized, I still should get off the hook because I wasn’t told it was wrong.

Are they all stupid defenses? Yes. Do they make any sense when put in combination? Of course not. But the idea is to present them all at once, so as to give the judges the best possible chance to find one thing in there that they will latch onto and use to get him off the hook.

Legal theories proposed by a defendant can make absolutely no sense, can contradict alternative theories advanced, and basically resorts to the throw everything against the wall to see if something sticks (with ketchup base).

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jeffreyw Jan 8, 2024 • 10:43:55am