“There Is No Antimemetics Division” (Ep 2 - SCP Horror Short Series)

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In the enthralling second episode of ‘There Is No Antimemetics Division,’ Marion Wheeler and Lyn El Marness join forces on a mission dictated by El’s unique severance agreement with the SCP Foundation. Their goal: to unlock the secrets of 1976, a pivotal year shrouded in mystery and the creation of a defence mechanism against a formidable adversary. As Marion seeks the crucial memories buried within El’s mind, they inadvertently awaken an ancient threat, lying in wait for millennia. This chapter delves into the dangerous dance of uncovering truths best left forgotten, where each revelation brings them closer to confronting an enemy poised for war. In the shadowy realm of the Antimemetics Division, the past is a puzzle whose pieces are guarded fiercely.

Uncover the secrets of the SCP universe in ‘There Is No Antimemetics Division,’ a gripping 4-part series. Stay tuned and subscribe to catch the next episode coming next week, as we delve deeper into the unseen dangers and mysteries of the Antimemetics Division!

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CREDITS

Created and Directed by
Andrea Joshua Asnicar
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Written by
Andrea Joshua Asnicar
Jenna Cosgrove

Based of
There Is No Antimemetics Division by qntm - a.co

Inspired by
The SCP Foundation Wiki - scp-wiki.wikidot.com

Tanya Schneider - Marion Wheeler
Sergio Silva - Lyn “El” Marness
Georgios Goris - O5-8

Portuguese (Brazil) CC Translation: @22tellmesomething22

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1
BeenHereAwhile  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:13:16pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

Welcome to the new reality, where rich Tech bros are the gatekeepers of speech and expression

(I don’t like it either).

The historical role of the press lords is continued by the tech bros.

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:20:02pm

“…In a vastly overpopulated world, businesses have taken the place of governments and now hold political power. States exist merely to ensure the survival of huge trans-national corporations. Advertising has become hugely aggressive and by far the best-paid profession. Through advertising, the public is constantly deluded into thinking that the quality of life is improved by all the products placed on the market. Some of the products contain addictive substances designed to make consumers dependent on them. However, the most basic elements of life are incredibly scarce, including water and fuel.”
en.wikipedia.org

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:23:28pm

Dragged upstairs…

re: #107 Charles

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:25:07pm

re: #2 jaunte

“…In a vastly overpopulated world, businesses have taken the place of governments and now hold political power. States exist merely to ensure the survival of huge trans-national corporations. Advertising has become hugely aggressive and by far the best-paid profession. Through advertising, the public is constantly deluded into thinking that the quality of life is improved by all the products placed on the market. Some of the products contain addictive substances designed to make consumers dependent on them. However, the most basic elements of life are incredibly scarce, including water and fuel.”
en.wikipedia.org

Might that include, say, oxygen and water?

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:30:28pm

Maybe it will happen Monday. Imagine what a day of rejoicing that will be! We will be rid of the insufferable bastards forever.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:33:53pm

‘Your words are empty’: Tommy Tuberville slammed for ‘disgusting’ military tweet

rawstory.com

Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) posted on X Friday, in honor of families who lost a loved one serving in the Armed Forces.

“Today, we honor our Gold Star Spouses whose loved ones made the ultimate sacrifice,” Tuberville posted. “Our nation is forever indebted to you and your family. Thank you for your service, strength, and resilience.”

But his words weren’t well received.

Allow me to chime in paraphrasing George Harrison

In Tommy’s mind
There’s something lacking
What he needs
Is a damn good whacking.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:34:14pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

A few years back, some godless wag proposed starting a pre-paid pet care service for animals whose owners expect to get sucked up.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:36:58pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

There was talk about filling blow-up dolls with helium and releasing them at appropriate times.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:38:14pm

re: #8 ckkatz

There was talk about filling blow-up dolls with helium and releasing them at appropriate times.

Selling those blow-up dolls is illegal in Alabama. For real.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:41:57pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Selling those blow-up dolls is illegal in Alabama. For real.

Look what blew in from Tennessee?

I’ve got to admit that I am utterly unfamiliar with the regulations associated on that particular product…

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:43:34pm

re: #10 ckkatz

Same AL statute that prohibits sale of dildos. Equal opportunity, y’all.

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darthstar  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:44:03pm

Mastodon

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:44:42pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Selling those blow-up dolls is illegal in Alabama. For real.

Everybody throw your hands up!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:46:38pm

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Anti-Obscenity Enforcement Act of 1998 is an Alabama statute that criminalizes the sale of sex toys. The law has been the subject of extensive litigation and has generated considerable national controversy.[1][2]
en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:48:06pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Potential sex toy is a very broad category.
As Tom Lehrer sang, “When directly viewed, everything is lewd.”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:51:27pm

re: #15 jaunte

Potential sex toy is a very broad category.
As Tom Lehrer sang, “When directly viewed, everything is lewd.”

Seriously, Alabama is what all y’all will be experiencing if we drop the ball this November.

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prairiefire  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:52:02pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Can you receive them through the mail? As that’s federal.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:53:12pm

re: #17 prairiefire

Can you receive them through the mail?

Yes, but thanks anyway.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:53:14pm

re: #15 jaunte

Potential sex toy is a very broad category.
As Tom Lehrer sang, “When directly viewed, everything is lewd.”

I suspect that Emergency Room doctors could list some very unexpected members of that category.

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:53:31pm

State Mail Inspector; Dildo Detective.

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darthstar  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:54:07pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Selling those blow-up dolls is illegal in Alabama. For real.

This is all the fault of the Big Sheep Fucker industry.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:54:30pm

re: #20 jaunte

State Mail Inspector; Dildo Detective.

Blow-up sniffing dogs.

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:55:00pm

re: #19 ckkatz

Years ago a friend who was pre-med at Rice worked part time in a local emergency room; she said they had several ‘light bulb removals’ per month.

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wrenchwench  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:56:15pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Seriously, Alabama is what all y’all will be experiencing if we drop the ball this November.

There’s a motivator.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:56:17pm

re: #23 jaunte

Years ago a friend who was pre-med at Rice worked part time in a local emergency room; she said they had several ‘light bulb removals’ per month.

IT WAS FOR CORONAVIRUS CONTROL !!1!

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 7:56:50pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Those wild and crazy early adopters.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:07:23pm

re: #19 ckkatz

I suspect that Emergency Room doctors could list some very unexpected members of that category.

There is literally a TV show called “Sex sent me to the ER”

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:14:14pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

The is literally a TV show called “Sex sent me to the ER”

Hah!

No matter what the topic, LGF has folks who are in the know!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:15:09pm

Off to a chaste* bed.

* Alabama Certified

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:15:54pm

Abrahamic religions do not have a monopoly on misogyny and wacky ideas of the afterlife:

The Hell for Jealous Wives and Cheating Husbands | Japanese Buddhist Lore



..

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prairiefire  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:20:21pm

re: #30 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Shintos are wild! Soo many gods, ghosts, spirits. It’s like an acid dream.

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Captain Ron  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:24:27pm

re: #23 jaunte

Years ago a friend who was pre-med at Rice worked part time in a local emergency room; she said they had several ‘light bulb removals’ per month.

..and you know the moron put it in small end first. It is going to take some really strong muscle relaxors injected into the sphincter. How do you grab the globe hard enough to pull it out without it breaking? Do you turn it around inside first? IS there a youtube of the procedure? I dare not look.

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:24:58pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:27:30pm

re: #15 jaunte

Potential sex toy is a very broad category.
As Tom Lehrer sang, “When directly viewed, everything is lewd.”

A friend who did a stint as ER doc says you see a potato lodged in a body orifice from time to time.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:30:19pm

re: #31 prairiefire

Shintos are wild! Soo many gods, ghosts, spirits. It’s like a acid dream.

In this case it was the Buddhists and their need to enforce morality through scare-mongering.

As noted in the video, the older tradition of marriage had it that a widower would go live with his wife’s family as part of their clan.

It was only later that the society became more influenced by a male-dominated morality.

Buddhism comes from India, though it faded there, and the idea that women are inherently evil may be linked to Indo-Aryan cultures (and this would explain the similarity in these beliefs with those in SW Asia that found their way into the later Bible.)

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:32:08pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:33:28pm

Even though YouTube claims to have some community standards for their channels, I find that the flood of disinformation channels are growing.

A simple search on “climate” and limiting the search to “today” will usually bring up many more wacky and denier videos, than videos of serious discussion.

YouTube does seem a bit sensitive about guns and more tightly regulates those videos, but if you want to sell disinformation you seem to have a free ride to advertising dollars.

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prairiefire  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:40:43pm

re: #37 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I went to a memorial at a Catholic Church on Monday. I hadn’t been in one for 40 years and was stunned how radicalized it was.
Might have been just that church, but a full page in the flyer “decline to sign” the petitions to get Abortion on the MO November ballot, because voters (?)

Also a very explicit hard lean into transubstantiation with a big Mid West rally to support that point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:43:11pm

re: #37 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

YouTube is also full of antisemitic shit, too.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 8:58:57pm

re: #23 jaunte

Years ago a friend who was pre-med at Rice worked part time in a local emergency room; she said they had several ‘light bulb removals’ per month.

I had a female friend who graduated from Rice (in the 70s) who became a doctor who talked about having to do ‘light bulb removals’ while working in the ER. Could she be the same one for both of us? Not likely but…

That would be just too weird ;-)

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Egregious Philbin  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:01:25pm

re: #38 prairiefire

Same thing happened to me about 10 years ago. I went to a funeral at the church/school I went to that is just behind my house. It had been years, and it was weird, lots of strange stuff added on. I got up and went to use the bathroom, then went outside the church. I ran into an old friend from Catholic high school, and we both were outside because we were both WTF? Its too surreal now.

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prairiefire  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:07:10pm

re: #41 Egregious Philbin

I stepped in front of the priest so he had to shake my hand. Give him a little Protestant singe (lol).

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:23:34pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

If you’re driving, LEAVE SPACE! I saw a bumper sticker that read: “In Case Of Rapture, This Car Will Be UNMANNED!”

No mention of any (terrorized) passengers in said car.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:25:07pm

Today’s Bee — possible clue.

Click to Reveal

The title for the video for this section gave me a clue for today’s Bee — tried it and Yay! got the word. Still missing one word.

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:25:43pm

re: #40 silverdolphin

Red hair? Became a pediatric surgeon?

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:27:23pm

A Vigilante Hacker Took Down North Korea’s Internet. Now He’s Taking Off His Mask

… Caceres remembers that one audience member responded with a joke: that Caceres forgot the step where he presents a 100-slide PowerPoint deck to someone who doesn’t understand what he’s talking about and then denies him authorization…

wired.com

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:29:31pm

re: #45 jaunte

Red hair? Became a pediatric surgeon?

Red hair but a dermatologist. Married a rich guy from Rice ;-)

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:33:06pm

I think Rigby was driving, but my son thinks it was Skips.

(Clue for those who don’t get it:

Click to Reveal

Regular Show

)

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jaunte  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:33:59pm

re: #47 silverdolphin

My friend was the valedictorian of our high school class, did a double major of pre-med and English at Rice in three years. Major type A personality, but a lot of fun.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:35:25pm

re: #45 jaunte

Red hair? Became a pediatric surgeon?

re: #47 silverdolphin

Red hair but a dermatologist. Married a rich guy from Rice ;-)

And just checked and she is now a blonde. Still in Houston.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:37:13pm

re: #49 jaunte

My friend was the valedictorian of our high school class, did a double major of pre-med and English at Rice in three years. Major type A personality, but a lot of fun.

Sounds like a great person. My friend is similar. Very memorable person. Rice actually seems to have produced a fair number of really fascinating women, for a school know for engineering, etc. My wife is one ;-)

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:37:19pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

I once encountered a Louisiana customs agent who wished LA had that law.

I was returning from a visit with my wife, who lives in that state. We have a D/s relationship. So I’d brought my ‘equipment bag’ with me.

After running it through the X-ray machine said inspector took my bag to a table, got out several binders, and checked every single piece of equipment. Yes, even the clothespins.

Couldn’t find anything of course. So he startied bringing the bag back to me. But he turned around and checked everything again.

Finally giving up he returned the bag and even managed to not throw it at me. I’ve never seen a more disappointed adult. He sooooo wanted me in jail.

My wife was watching this and giggling. A police officer asked her what was going on and when my wife explained he had to sit down he was laughing so hard.

One of the more surreal moments in my life, and the moment I started to develop a distaste for Louisiana.

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:44:25pm

Tom Nichols: “In a more normal time in American life, people had to leave politics for having a nanogram of Trump’s baggage. Think of the late Senator Thomas Eagleton, the 1972 Democratic vice-presidential pick who had to drop out of the race because he’d been treated for depression. The idea—how old-fashioned it seems now—was that America could not risk any possible mental-health issues not only in the president, but even in the person next in the line of succession.”

“Today, however, we have a former president who exhibits all kinds of signs of a disordered personality—and yet the big worry among many voters (and too much of the media) is whether his opponent is missing a step because he’s roughly 42 months older than Trump.”

“All of this is enervating and exhausting. But that’s the point: Trump is succeeding because he is, to use Steve Bannon’s infamous expression, seeking to ‘flood the zone with shit.’ Trump’s opponents are flummoxed by how he provokes one new outrage on top of another, and each time they believe he’s finally—finally—gone too far. Bombarding the public space with deranged statements and dangerous threats, however, is not a mistake; it’s a strategy.”

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:46:03pm

Also from tonight’s Political Wire

Trump Threatened Nebraska Lawmaker
Donald Trump picked up a phone to pressure a Nebraska state senator to revive a winner-take-all system of awarding its Electoral College votes for president, the Nebraska Examiner reports.

Trump called State Sen. Tom Brewer (R), who said there wasn’t time left in the session.

Trump then reportedly told Brewer, who is term-limited this year, that his political career was over.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:49:10pm

Pelosi joins call for Biden to stop transfer of US weapons to Israel

Biden and Pelosi have gotten all their ducks in a row. Netanyahu is likely toast now if he does not play ball.

Some Progressives are upset that things have not gone fast enough. I am reminded of what Frederick Douglass said. He was very upset that Lincoln took to long to make Emancipation a part of the Civil War, castigating Lincoln tremendously. But years, later, when looking back, he admitted he was wrong:

Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined.

I think Biden will be seen similarly. Anyone who holds the ‘slow’ pace against him by their vote will regret it.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:52:13pm

re: #53 retired cynic

Which is why you should never get too involved in the details of each outrage, just focus on him being outrageous.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:59:23pm

re: #54 retired cynic

Also from tonight’s Political Wire

Trump Threatened Nebraska Lawmaker
Donald Trump picked up a phone to pressure a Nebraska state senator to revive a winner-take-all system of awarding its Electoral College votes for president, the Nebraska Examiner reports.

Trump called State Sen. Tom Brewer (R), who said there wasn’t time left in the session.

Trump then reportedly told Brewer, who is term-limited this year, that his political career was over.

What an idiot. Threaten a guy like that who is term-limited. Just like a mob boss.

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mmmirele  Apr 5, 2024 • 9:59:47pm

re: #38 prairiefire

I went to a memorial at a Catholic Church on Monday. I hadn’t been in one for 40 years and was stunned how radicalized it was.
Might have been just that church, but a full page in the flyer “decline to sign” the petitions to get Abortion on the MO November ballot, because voters (?)

Also a very explicit hard lean into transubstantiation with a big Mid West rally to support that point.

It’s not just that church. It’s all over. It’s one of the reasons that my ex-boyfriend bagged Catholicism and moved over to the liberal Methodists. Ex-bf has also said that his younger brother, who discovered a late in life vocation as a diocesan priest, would do very well in the Houston-Galveston diocese. “The church is so conservative, and so is my brother.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:06:03pm

Recent presentation by anti-doomer Michael Mann on why it is important to not be doomer about climate change:

Can Lessons from Earth’s Past Help Us Survive Our Current Climate Crisis?

..

Some good stuff in the Q&A.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:06:07pm

We watched Strange World tonight. I liked it.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:15:05pm

The Trump Docket: A window into Trump’s ‘private’ acts on Jan. 6 may soon be opened by a federal judge

These cases have been off the radar but they will keep Trump trials going for some time.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:20:54pm

Businessman behind Trump’s NY bond says he charged him a ‘low fee’

Hankey actually said: “We thought it would be an easy procedure that wouldn’t involve other legal problems and it’s not turning out that way,”

Wow.I think that the financial investigation could kill his company. Fraudsters do not do well when people actually look.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:21:54pm

I’m done trying to change people’s minds but this seems so obvious to me.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:25:48pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

I’m done trying to change people’s minds but this seems so obvious to me.

[Embedded content]

Even in a state where it’s obvious who’s going to win, choosing not to vote is still not doing your part.

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William Lewis  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:27:12pm

re: #64 Belafon

Even in a state where it’s obvious who’s going to win, choosing not to vote is still not doing your part Voting for Trump.

FTFY.

I know you understand that but still I need to say it.

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sagehen  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:34:44pm

re: #64 Belafon

Even in a state where it’s obvious who’s going to win, choosing not to vote is still not doing your part.

Not to mention the down-ballot races; so if you’re going to be at the polling place anyway…

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:36:28pm

Israel should be escorting humanitarian aid

Logical but it will never happen. Hard to have collective punishment that way. Man, htink if Biden had Americans escort the aid? That would never happen but you would not want to be an Israeli that killed an American by mistake.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:45:24pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

I’m done trying to change people’s minds but this seems so obvious to me.

[Embedded content]

Voting is not supposed to be about the endorphin rush of “your” candidate winning, it’s supposed to be about getting your voice heard and making sure that you’re represented. A big part of the reason modern politics is such a mess is because it’s a “team” sport, with the emphasis upon supporting your “team” to the detriment of you and yours.

I actually have more respect for the assholes who vote third party in “protest” than I do sad sacks who just mumble “My vote doesn’t matter” and stay home.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 10:57:46pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Voting is not supposed to be about the endorphin rush of “your” candidate winning, it’s supposed to be about getting your voice heard and making sure that you’re represented. A big part of the reason modern politics is such a mess is because it’s a “team” sport, with the emphasis upon supporting your “team” to the detriment of you and yours.

I actually have more respect for the assholes who vote third party in “protest” than I do sad sacks who just mumble “My vote doesn’t matter” and stay home.

I ask my progressive friends, will climate change get dealt with if people simply say “I can drive an ICE becuase my gas guzzler does not really matter since it is such a small part.?” No. Will climate change get dealt with if people say “My use of incandescent bulbs does not really matter because it is such a small part?” No.

We win because we all work to make it happen.

Same with politics. It may be more expensive to use LED but we do it because every bit helps. We might not like everything that Biden does but every bit helps. Someone who refuses to vote because it does not matter has the same world view as those who support during burning coal. QED ;-)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 11:08:57pm

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So to summarize recent developments:

Hansen et. al. published a paper a few months ago asserting that climate sensitivity (which is defined as the change in global average surface temps for a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere - a problematic definition in itself but it’s what the climatology community has decided to use) is much more than the number given by the IPCC.

Hansen et. al. argue that aerosols and their cooling effect have misled climate modelers.

Then along comes 2023 with its record high temps. And this became part of what we can call the rush to reintroduce the “hot models” - those climate models that show much more warming than what the IPCC has chosen to use.

Michael Mann comes along and disputes what Hansen et. al. are claiming.

Mann is still sticking with the consensus that found its way into the IPCC reports.

Mann also points out that one should not use a single year’s average temp as a claim that we have passed the 1.5C threshold. Mann contends that one must stick with 30 year averages.

So for a centered-mean average over 30 years, 2023 is the middle year of a window that goes from 2008 to 2038.

Thus while 2023 was above the 1.5C threshold, the 1993-2023 centered average is not. Hence the 1.5C threshold has not been crossed.

Now Hansen finds this all a bit too conservative, that with his assertion that aerosols have masked the true climate sensitivity the models are underestimating the warming for the next few decades.

So even if Mann wants to stick to a 30 year average before declaring we’ve passed 1.5C, it will all seem academic in the next 10 years as some of those years will be much warmer than 2023. And the following 10 years even much more so.

Hansen asserts that we are not sounding the alarm bells loud enough, that the IPCC is way too conservative.

Mann counters by saying that doomerism is counterproductive and scientists should not make declarations that lead to such.

That is the current hot debate in certain corners of AGW-aware community.

My take: I agree that fatalism is counterproductive to making wise choices.

Yet I hold my fellow humans in lower regard than Mann does.

We collectively have already bought a fossil fuel infrastructure for the next 3 decades, at least.

And while Mann praises Biden, I will here again remind everyone that Biden is bragging about the US record “oil” (really, liquid fuel) production.

Global carbon emissions are still going up.

One does not spend billions of dollars on a highway and not use it.

One does not spend tens of billions of dollars on a liquid NG global trading scheme and not use it.

One does not keep building sprawl and not expect to occupy those houses for the next 50 years.

We have already bought, as in paid for, several more decades of high greenhouse gas output.

We are in a hole and we keep digging.

And we are going to keep digging until it kills us.

So while I respect Dr. Mann, I think he is being way too politic in his public stances.

He (rightly) points out that the threat to democracy that Trump and the GOP deep pockets is necessary to counter.

So he has decided to project a message of hope to the American masses. He does not want to push anyone away.

That is a reasonable thing to do.

But it will not stop our continued activity that is driving climate change.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 11:19:28pm

re: #70 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I should have added:

The reason Hansen et. al. think warming is accelerating (for the next couple of decades) is because of anti-pollution efforts that have driven sulfur from fossil fuel products.

In particular, global shipping has been forced to clean up their act.

And in his recent letter-to-the-public, Hansen shows data that the fastest warming parts of the planet the past few years have been the north Pacific and the north Atlantic, and he asserts that warming is due to the shipping industry forced to eliminate sulfur emissions.

Most global shipping happens between east Asia and North America, and between North America and Europe.

Sulfur emissions from shipping reduced warming thus over the north Pacific and the north Atlantic.

But new international regulations have removed said emissions.

And around the world there are efforts to remove sulfur emissions from the huge global coal use. This will reduce aerosols even more.

So… clean up the emissions and get more warming. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 5, 2024 • 11:22:04pm

As for me: I’ve concluded that Trump and the GOP are an existential threat to my retirement.

I was not going to vote for Trump anyway, but I want to emphasize that anyone who gets and depends upon Social Security, or anyone close to retirement, are slitting their own throats by voting for Trump or any Republican.

Only the young dude-bros, who want the old to die-off anyway, could ever think that Trump is good for them.

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silverdolphin  Apr 5, 2024 • 11:46:08pm

re: #70 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My take: I agree that fatalism is counterproductive to making wise choices.

Yet I hold my fellow humans in lower regard than Mann does.

We collectively have already bought a fossil fuel infrastructure for the next 3 decades, at least.

And while Mann praises Biden, I will here again remind everyone that Biden is bragging about the US record “oil” (really, liquid fuel) production.

Global carbon emissions are still going up.

One does not spend billions of dollars on a highway and not use it.

One does not spend tens of billions of dollars on a liquid NG global trading scheme and not use it.

One does not keep building sprawl and not expect to occupy those houses for the next 50 years.

We have already bought, as in paid for, several more decades of high greenhouse gas output.

We are in a hole and we keep digging.

And we are going to keep digging until it kills us.

So while I respect Dr. Mann, I think he is being way too politic in his public stances.

He (rightly) points out that the threat to democracy that Trump and the GOP deep pockets is necessary to counter.

So he has decided to project a message of hope to the American masses. He does not want to push anyone away.

That is a reasonable thing to do.

But it will not stop our continued activity that is driving climate change.

I will say that I actually have a better view of humanity. I side more with Mann but they are both right.

Anthropogenic Global carbon emissions are not going up. They have been relatively the same since before the COVID pandemic. About 35 billion tonnes.

World CO2 emissions by region

And per capita global emmissions have been stable, with the US rapidly heading in that same direction - to about 5-7 tons. European size levels.

CO2 emission per capita

So there are some good things amongst the problems. But these levels are still not really enough yet to stop the increase in carbon in the atmosphere. As even the middle scenario shows. The one we seem to be on now will still see atmospheric CO2 continue to rise.

Different scenarios

So humanity is actually doing a much better jiob than many think of getting emissions level. But as Hanson knows, that is not enough to fix things.

CO2 continues to rise even if we complete reduce CO2 emissions down close to zero. from 400 ppm to 600 ppm. Another 50% even with all the good works we do.

This likely continues to happen because the carbon dioxide equilibrium with the oceans is getting saturated and more remains in the atmosphere (as well as carbon sinks like methane clathrates get released).

What we need to do to stop the continuing increase is by actively removing carbon faster than equilibrium processes do. That is the thing models cannot measure because there is no real effort now, although lots of research.

So Mann gets it right that we are moving. Hanson gets it right that may not be enough. Which is why I have actually invested in small startups looking at cheap ways to remove CO2 from the atmosphere. We might do it but we need a lot of cheap, clean energy, which I think only space-based solar power has the potential to provide.

Humanity seems to always move forward by the skin of their teeth. Maybe we will again. I htink this is the big transition that every intelligent species in the universe eventually gwets to - overcoming living in its own watse products.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2024 • 11:59:51pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Selling those blow-up dolls is illegal in Alabama. For real.

Even for Scriptural purposes?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:05:35am

re: #31 prairiefire

Shintos are wild! Soo many gods, ghosts, spirits. It’s like an acid dream.

one can assume that certain forest mushrooms played a role in developing their lore

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steve_davis  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:07:35am

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

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Maybe it will happen Monday. Imagine what a day of rejoicing that will be! We will be rid of the insufferable bastards forever.

Unfortunately the insufferable bastards would be standing below with the rest of us wondering why a bunch of poor people who gave all they had to others just disappeared.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:11:56am

re: #53 retired cynic

Tom Nichols: “In a more normal time in American life, people had to leave politics for having a nanogram of Trump’s baggage.

It is because he marketed himself as the Anti-Politician, voting for him was flipping a Big Bird to Politics as Usual.

And he still gets away with it at least within the party, remember Rubio writing off his remarks about encouraging Russia to invade delinquent NATO countries with “He doesn’t express himself like regular politicians”….

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steve_davis  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:12:40am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

There is literally a TV show called “Sex sent me to the ER”

lol! Reminds me of something I saw on twitter where a woman is getting carted off on an ambulance gurney and her neighbor is shouting from across the lawn, “what happened?” “He put it in the wrong hole!” She shouts back.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:17:41am

Meanwhile, in Ecuador…..

Ecuadorian police officers on Friday forcibly broke into the Mexican embassy in Quito, where former Ecuadorian Vice President Jorge Glas is holed up. The raid took place hours after the Mexican government granted Glas political asylum as diplomatic tensions between both countries deepen.

The police broke the external doors of the Mexican diplomatic headquarters in the Ecuadorian capital and entered the main patio.

The situation of former Vice President Glas was not immediately known. Uniformed officers closed the main access avenue to the site.

“This is not possible, it cannot be, this is crazy,” said Roberto Canseco, head of the Mexican consular section in Quito, outside the embassy.

Asked about the situation of former Vice President Glas and if he was apprehended by public forces, he stated: “I understand that yes, I am very worried because they could kill him; there is no basis to do this, this is totally outside the norm.”

Ecuador’s foreign ministry and Ecuador’s ministry of the interior did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Associated Press.

thestar.com

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:22:14am

More on that embassy incident in Ecuador:

Mexico is breaking off diplomatic ties with Ecuador after police broke into the Mexican embassy in Quito to arrest a former Ecuadorian vice president who has sought political asylum there after being indicted on corruption.

Mexico’s President Andrés Manuel López Obrador made the announcement Friday evening after Ecuadorian police forced their way into the Mexican embassy to arrest Jorge Glas who has been residing there since December, as a diplomatic rift between the two countries deepened

Glas, arguably the most wanted man in the country, was convicted on bribery and corruption charges. Ecuadorian authorities are still investigating more allegations against him.

Police broke into the external doors of the Mexican diplomatic headquarters in the Ecuadorian capital and entered the main patio to get Glas.

apnews.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:22:43am

re: #78 steve_davis

lol! Reminds me of something I saw on twitter where a woman is getting carted off on an ambulance gurney and her neighbor is shouting from across the lawn, “what happened?” “He put it in the wrong hole!” She shouts back.

And the other way around. As early as 1930:

Penile injuries incurred through interactions with vacuum cleaners. Vol. XXII (1930)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:25:05am

re: #73 silverdolphin

Anthropogenic Global carbon emissions are not going up. They have been relatively the same since before the COVID pandemic. About 35 billion tonnes.

Emissions are plateauing.

Back during the Peak-Oil fad days the wiser among them conclude that liquids would plateau for awhile and then slowly decline, instead of drop off immediately and precipitously.

The plateau-folk were correct.

I expect that to happen to total global emissions.

We are already some years into a plateau, and I can see that going on for another 20 years or so before a noticeable decline.

So assuming the right half of the curve looks like the left, we’ll end up with a CO2 concentration of around 560ppm at the end of the century.

This is a doubling of pre-industrial levels.

The deep problem is that even if Hansen is not quite correct with an ECS of 4.8C, one thing for certain is that the long term warming (ESS) is much more than the ECS.

Even the IPCC accepts that if the world holds the immediate temp rise to 2C, there will be much more to come with the ESS over the next millennia or so, due to long-term feedbacks (such as the loss of ice sheets.)

And if Hansen is correct, the long term warming will take the surface temps back to the Eocene levels.

That kind of world will be very foreign to many of the living things we know, including us.

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Targetpractice  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:26:25am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is because he marketed himself as the Anti-Politician, voting for him was flipping a Big Bird to Politics as Usual.

And he still gets away with it at least within the party, remember Rubio writing off his remarks about encouraging Russia to invade delinquent NATO countries with “He doesn’t express himself like regular politicians”….

Which functionally only means one thing: He’s the end result of decades of Repubs telling their base that they should not feel bad about being unrepentant assholes. That they should feel okay to be as racist, bigoted, and hateful in public as they like because anyone who tells them otherwise is being “politically correct” and that’s against everything it means to be a “Real ‘Merikan!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:28:00am

re: #83 Targetpractice

Which functionally only means one thing: He’s the end result of decades of Repubs telling their base that they should not feel bad about being unrepentant assholes. That they should feel okay to be as racist, bigoted, and hateful in public as they like because anyone who tells them otherwise is being “politically correct” and that’s against everything it means to be a “Real ‘Merikan!”

They would rather Own a Lib than solve a problem, even if it means hurting themselves.

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silverdolphin  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:36:03am

re: #82 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Emissions are plateauing.

Back during the Peak-Oil fad days the wiser among them conclude that liquids would plateau for awhile and then slowly decline, instead of drop off immediately and precipitously.

The plateau-folk were correct.

I expect that to happen to total global emissions.

We are already some years into a plateau, and I can see that going on for another 20 years or so before a noticeable decline.

So assuming the right half of the curve looks like the left, we’ll end up with a CO2 concentration of around 560ppm at the end of the century.

This is a doubling of pre-industrial levels.

The deep problem is that even if Hansen is not quite correct with an ECS of 4.8C, one thing for certain is that the long term warming (ESS) is much more than the ECS.

Even the IPCC accepts that if the world holds the immediate temp rise to 2C, there will be much more to come with the ESS over the next millennia or so, due to long-term feedbacks (such as the loss of ice sheets.)

And if Hansen is correct, the long term warming will take the surface temps back to the Eocene levels.

That kind of world will be very foreign to many of the living things we know, including us.

It is way past time for us to be able to return to normal. As I showed, CO2 ppm will increase 50% by 2100 even under the scenario I think we will hit. That is one reason why carbon sensitivity is such an important thing to know that we really do not as well as we need to.

Your last sentence is most likely correct. The only path I see away from that is having a huge effort to actively remove CO2, bringing it down faster than normal processes. I’ve seen some models that suggest we could get back to pre-industrial levels but they require a big effort. Not a big path but it the only one that holds out much hope for me.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:41:59am

re: #85 silverdolphin

The only path I see away from that is having a huge effort to actively remove CO2, bringing it down faster than normal processes. I’ve seen some models that suggest we could get back to pre-industrial levels but they require a big effort. Not a big path but it the only one that holds out much hope for me.

The geo-engineering proposed for such efforts should scare everyone off.

The windows for unintended consequences are huge.

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silverdolphin  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:51:33am

re: #86 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The geo-engineering proposed for such efforts should scare everyone off.

The windows for unintended consequences are huge.

Not sure which geo-engineering efforts involved in removing CO2 that humanity has put in the atmosphere you are looking at. For me, the critical aspect is removing CO2 from the ocean. Ocean acidification is a real worry. That is the real unintended consequences I am worried about because this could have a real impact on oxygen production by plankton we require to live.

We have technologies that can do this. The US Navy has a process to make diesel fuel from ocean water (carbon neutral but it is a start) And can easily be stopped if there is a problem. Controlling input and output of CO2 seems much more reversible than putting more aerosols into the atmosphere. But we have to get ocean acidification unter control if we hope to survive. And that requires removing it from the oceans as well as the atmosphere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:52:14am

re: #85 silverdolphin

Your last sentence is most likely correct. The only path I see away from that is having a huge effort to actively remove CO2, bringing it down faster than normal processes. I’ve seen some models that suggest we could get back to pre-industrial levels but they require a big effort. Not a big path but it the only one that holds out much hope for me.

“Eco-Fascists want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with dried leaves!”

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silverdolphin  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:54:19am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Eco-Nazis want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with dried leaves!”

And that is my theory for why the galactic intelligences have not contacted us. They need to find out if we make it through this milestone. I think we can but I will not live see it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:55:46am

re: #89 silverdolphin

And that is my theory for why the galactic intelligences have not contacted us. They need to find out if we make it through this milestone. I think we can but I will not live see it.

We survived the Cold War…there were plenty of times when it could have really gone pear-shaped, or rather mushroom-shaped.

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William Lewis  Apr 6, 2024 • 12:57:29am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We survived the Cold War…there were plenty of times when it could have really gone pear-shaped, or rather mushroom-shaped.

See “Adventure Time” for one possible history of the “Mushroom War”…

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silverdolphin  Apr 6, 2024 • 1:04:00am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We survived the Cold War…there were plenty of times when it could have really gone pear-shaped, or rather mushroom-shaped.

I had thought that avoiding nuclear war was the milestone we needed to meet the alienas. But now I think it is dealing with our byproducts. That is something every animal must deal with, even intelligent ones. I have hope. We make it through so many things in the past. But it will be a very different world.

I think that becoming a space-faring civilization will help us let Earth heal itself. We can do it but its complexity will have to be dealt with.

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silverdolphin  Apr 6, 2024 • 1:11:50am

As many of you know, I grow a lot of daylilies. I have been growing them in fabric grow bags for 10 years or more.

Well, I went to buy some new ones and saw a huge change in the market. The ones I like are wider than high, allowing more plants to be put in a bags. Now they are taller than wide. And many have grommoted holes for “Low Stress Plant Training”. WTF is that?

Turns out that growing pot at home has changed the grow bag industry. “Low Stress Plant Training” is all about getting more buds from the plant.

So now I have to be careful of the grow bags I buy or people might get the wrong idea ;-)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 1:32:38am

re: #93 silverdolphin

Turns out that growing pot at home has changed the grow bag industry. “Low Stress Plant Training” is all about getting more buds from the plant.

I play nothing but Grateful Dead bootlegs from 1973-78 around my plants…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 6, 2024 • 1:38:50am

re: #61 silverdolphin

The Trump Docket: A window into Trump’s ‘private’ acts on Jan. 6 may soon be opened by a federal judge

These cases have been off the radar but they will keep Trump trials going for some time.

That is some page… All of it, case after case after case.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 6, 2024 • 1:44:54am

re: #62 silverdolphin

Businessman behind Trump’s NY bond says he charged him a ‘low fee’

Hankey actually said: “We thought it would be an easy procedure that wouldn’t involve other legal problems and it’s not turning out that way,”

Wow.I think that the financial investigation could kill his company. Fraudsters do not do well when people actually look.

JFC. Really? Rich crooks supporting each other.

Hankey, who runs a group of businesses including a provider of subprime automotive loans that has been reprimanded by regulators for predatory behaviour involving customers, said Trump offered collateral for the $175 million in cash. (Ed: birds of a feather)

He said the cash is held at a brokerage firm and pledged to Knight, and that Knight can access it if needed.

“I don’t know if it came from Donald Trump or from Donald Trump and supporters,” Hankey said of the cash Trump provided for collateral. (Ed: can you say money laundering? I knew you could!)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 1:46:29am

Meanwhile, six days into Germany’s experiment with legalized possession, a common street scene:

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Nerdy Fish  Apr 6, 2024 • 2:06:23am

As we head off into the wild blue yonder for our eclipse adventure, things got off to a bit of a rough start.

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William Lewis  Apr 6, 2024 • 2:10:08am

re: #92 silverdolphin

I had thought that avoiding nuclear war was the milestone we needed to meet the alienas. But now I think it is dealing with our byproducts. That is something every animal must deal with, even intelligent ones. I have hope. We make it through so many things in the past. But it will be a very different world.

I think that becoming a space-faring civilization will help us let Earth heal itself. We can do it but its complexity will have to be dealt with.

Thinking of the Eocene, if humans survive, we (as well as most if not mammalian species) will become smaller because that gives better surface to mass ratio for shedding excess heat. (Of course that will make deep space adaptation easier as well, but I digress) Likewise though, reptiles will become bigger. Watch out for giant boa constrictors… 😱 !

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William Lewis  Apr 6, 2024 • 2:11:32am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I play nothing but Grateful Dead bootlegs from 1973-78 around my plants…

I find Haydn & Mozart string quartets are good too … 😉

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sagehen  Apr 6, 2024 • 2:30:56am

re: #99 William Lewis

Thinking of the Eocene, if humans survive, we (as well as most if not mammalian species) will become smaller because that gives better surface to mass ratio for shedding excess heat. (Of course that will make deep space adaptation easier as well, but I digress) Likewise though, reptiles will become bigger. Watch out for giant boa constrictors… 😱 !

There’s what, 8 billion people on earth? If 90% die, humanity will continue.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 6, 2024 • 2:31:02am

re: #89 silverdolphin

The “Great Filter” hypothesis appeals to me greatly.

en.wikipedia.org

With no evidence of intelligent life in places other than the Earth, it appears that the process of starting with a star and ending with “advanced explosive lasting life” must be unlikely. This implies that at least one step in this process must be improbable. Hanson’s list, while incomplete, describes the following nine steps in an “evolutionary path” that results in the colonization of the observable universe:

1. The right star system (including organics and potentially habitable planets)
2. Reproductive molecules (e.g. RNA)
3. Simple (prokaryotic) single-cell life
4. Complex (eukaryotic) single-cell life
5. Sexual reproduction
6. Multi-cell life
7. Tool-using animals with intelligence
8. A civilization advancing toward the potential for a colonization explosion (where we are now)
9. Colonization explosion

According to the Great Filter hypothesis, at least one of these steps—if the list were complete—must be improbable. If it is not an early step (i.e., in the past), then the implication is that the improbable step lies in the future and humanity’s prospects of reaching step 9 (interstellar colonization) are still bleak. If the past steps are likely, then many civilizations would have developed to the current level of the human species. However, none appear to have made it to step 9, or the Milky Way would be full of colonies. So perhaps step 9 is the unlikely one, and the only things that appear likely to keep us from step 9 are some sort of catastrophe, an underestimation of the impact of procrastination as technology increasingly unburdens existence, or resource exhaustion leading to the impossibility of making the step due to consumption of the available resources (for example highly constrained energy resources).[6] So by this argument, finding multicellular life on Mars (provided it evolved independently) would be bad news, since it would imply steps 2-6 are easy, and hence only 1, 7, 8 or 9 (or some unknown step) could be the big problem.[4]

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Targetpractice  Apr 6, 2024 • 2:40:30am

re: #102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

The “Great Filter” hypothesis appeals to me greatly.

en.wikipedia.org

Explained here in this wonderfully animated form:

Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 6, 2024 • 3:09:39am

re: #98 Nerdy Fish

As we head off into the wild blue yonder for our eclipse adventure, things got off to a bit of a rough start.

You and me both.

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2024 • 3:18:11am

re: #69 silverdolphin

I ask my progressive friends, will climate change get dealt with if people simply say “I can drive an ICE becuase my gas guzzler does not really matter since it is such a small part.?” No. Will climate change get dealt with if people say “My use of incandescent bulbs does not really matter because it is such a small part?” No.

We win because we all work to make it happen.

Same with politics. It may be more expensive to use LED but we do it because every bit helps. We might not like everything that Biden does but every bit helps. Someone who refuses to vote because it does not matter has the same world view as those who support during burning coal. QED ;-)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Apr 6, 2024 • 3:20:36am

Par, again.
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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 3:51:52am

A little drive time potato quality music video for your Caturday!!!

Too Much Joy - Donna Everywhere

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:04:52am

re: #102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

People generally underestimate the distances between stars and do not have an intuition for deep time.

Many civilizations could have popped up in our own galaxy, and gone extinct, before our solar system even formed.

And the Drake equation is not a proper way to calculate probabilities.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:07:20am
An animal lover in Turkey, inspired by her paralysed father, has built a train out of plastic barrels to give daily rides to the disabled dogs at a shelter outside the country’s capital Ankara.
Buket Ozgunlu, chairwoman of the Associaton of Paws Holding onto Life, has attached makeshift dog wagons to an all-terrain vehicle to take dogs out every day. She believes that, like people, the dogs need a change of scene and, if they cannot walk, a drive will have to do.

Turkish dog shelter gives disabled pets the ride of a lifetime #dogs #dogshorts #watch

reuters.com

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Randall Gross  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:17:18am

The faceborg saga continues…

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Randall Gross  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:19:56am

re: #110 Randall Gross

The faceborg saga continues…

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:21:26am

Kewl!

NASA Astronauts Talk about the 2024 Total Solar Eclipse

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Randall Gross  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:21:47am

Meanwhile
Sen. Bernie Sanders’s Office In Vermont Caught Fire. Arson Is Suspected, But The Motive Is Unclear.
Authorities are seeking a suspect who allegedly started a fire outside the Vermont office of U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders.
AP

huffpost.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:23:43am

re: #113 Randall Gross

Meanwhile
Sen. Bernie Sanders’s Office In Vermont Caught Fire. Arson Is Suspected, But The Motive Is Unclear.
Authorities are seeking a suspect who allegedly started a fire outside the Vermont office of U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders.
AP

huffpost.com

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steve_davis  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:24:40am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I play nothing but Grateful Dead bootlegs from 1973-78 around my plants…

Your plants are thinking, “this was not their strongest period!”

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Randall Gross  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:34:42am

Mexico’s president says his country is breaking diplomatic ties with Ecuador after embassy raid
Ecuadorian police forced their way into the Mexican embassy to arrest Jorge Glas, a former vice president, who sought asylum there after being convicted of bribery and corruption.
nbcnews.com

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William Lewis  Apr 6, 2024 • 4:55:16am

re: #116 Randall Gross

Mexico’s president says his country is breaking diplomatic ties with Ecuador after embassy raid
Ecuadorian police forced their way into the Mexican embassy to arrest Jorge Glas, a former vice president, who sought asylum there after being convicted of bribery and corruption.
nbcnews.com

Oh, man, that’s a major league diplomatic FUBAR.

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Nojay UK  Apr 6, 2024 • 5:00:21am

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Many civilizations could have popped up in our own galaxy, and gone extinct, before our solar system even formed.

Unlikely. It takes two successive supernova events to make a lot of the higher-order elements we depend on for life and after that happened it has taken about a third of the lifespan of the universe from the Big Bang (about 4 billion years) for the Earth to form and stabilise to the point where life could develop. We may in fact be the first or nearly the first self-aware tool-using intelligent lifeform in this galaxy or indeed in the entire universe.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 6, 2024 • 5:05:30am

Pony Boy settling in nicely after 3 days. :)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 6, 2024 • 5:11:12am

re: #119 GlutenFreeJesus

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Pony Boy settling in nicely after 3 days. :)

He’s a beaut!

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steve_davis  Apr 6, 2024 • 5:12:30am

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the other way around. As early as 1930:

Penile injuries incurred through interactions with vacuum cleaners. Vol. XXII (1930)

oh dear god….i only had to look at one image from a search off the title, and that was enough. “significant injuries have occurred, including loss of the glanular head.” Sorry, I’ve grown rather fond of the glanular head, even when it occasionally tries to catch itself in the pants zipper. Not worth the risk. Plus, it comes up with some of my best jokes.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 5:24:22am

Yukon

Wilson
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jeffreyw  Apr 6, 2024 • 5:43:33am

Jump! You fucker!

Good morning!

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Randall Gross  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:00:45am

bsky.app

The ongoing thread

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Teukka  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:13:03am

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:24:26am

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the other way around. As early as 1930:

Penile injuries incurred through interactions with vacuum cleaners. Vol. XXII (1930)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:24:43am

myradar.com

Cool!!

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:29:38am

re: #98 Nerdy Fish

As we head off into the wild blue yonder for our eclipse adventure, things got off to a bit of a rough start.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:30:45am

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:37:13am

re: #129 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

That’s prolly the majority of their days on their five-year mission to be honest.

Five years is 1,825 days.

There were 79 episodes of Star Trek (original series). So….lots of days cruising around in the vastness of space, with not a lot to do. Just staring at the viewscreen, maybe a cup of coffee in the mess, the occasional dalliance with a crew member.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:46:30am

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:50:04am

More improper use of spray foam and rodent control!!!!!

Customer States Another Shop Tried To Fix A Leak With Cardboard

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wrenchwench  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:50:33am

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cat-tikvah  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:52:06am

re: #43 Sherlock Hound

If you’re driving, LEAVE SPACE! I saw a bumper sticker that read: “In Case Of Rapture, This Car Will Be UNMANNED!”

No mention of any (terrorized) passengers in said car.

Favorite bumper sticker:
When the Rapture comes, can I have your car?

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No Malarkey!  Apr 6, 2024 • 6:52:51am

re: #118 Nojay UK

Unlikely. It takes two successive supernova events to make a lot of the higher-order elements we depend on for life and after that happened it has taken about a third of the lifespan of the universe from the Big Bang (about 4 billion years) for the Earth to form and stabilise to the point where life could develop. We may in fact be the first or nearly the first self-aware tool-using intelligent lifeform in this galaxy or indeed in the entire universe.

There are a lot of potential chokepoints over the billions of years it takes from the first primitive replicating cell developing to an interstellar civilization to explain why we are alone so far. As long as we have only have a sample of one planet with life, we have no basis for knowing what the most difficult steps are. I’m not surprised we haven’t been contacted. The human brain simply can’t comprehend how vast the distances between stars are. We are not in fact signaling to the galaxy our existence; our weak radio and television signals peter out into background noise long before they can travel far enough to be detectable, so it would take a civilization much more advanced than ours to signal to the rest of the galaxy their existence. The speed of light makes interstellar travel extremely unlikely. Who would sentence generations of their fellow beings to the fate of living inside a tin can for centuries, if not millenia, in the faint hope that their multiple great grandchildren, who have never known any existence other than inside a starship, might be able to colonize a distant planet? Similarly, if you tried to speed up an unmanned probe to the stars fast enough to reach another solar system within a reasonable time, the likelihood is that an encounter with one speck of dust during the voyage would utterly destroy it. So it could be that the galaxy has many planets with intelligent life, and civilizations don’t destroy themselves with nuclear weapons or pollution, but we won’t find out about each other anytime soon.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:16:54am

re: #134 cat-tikvah

Favorite bumper sticker:
When the Rapture comes, can I have your car?

When the Rapture comes The Joe Bacon Beverly Hills Homesteading Company swings into business to take possession of all those abandoned mansions and put them on the market since the pushers of the Pro$perity Go$pel insist that the rich will be the first to get picked up when JC turns on the Holy Hoover Vacuum Cleaner to suck them up into Hay-Venn!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:24:02am

From an SPLC mailing:

Those who glorify the Confederacy as “Southern heritage” obscure a rich Southern history that is not about white supremacy but is something that all Southerners can be proud of.

Celebrating true Southern heritage in April instead of the Confederacy

Seven states celebrate Confederate Heritage Month each April. From the first secessionist shots fired at Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee’s surrender on April 9, 1865, Confederates fought for slavery and white supremacy. That is Confederate heritage. It is not Southern heritage.

Those who glorify the Confederacy as “Southern heritage” obscure a rich Southern history that is not about white supremacy but is something that all Southerners can be proud of. This month, instead of celebrating Confederate heritage, let’s celebrate the anniversaries of these Southern contributions to justice and culture in the U.S.

April 1, 1891 - The Coal Creek War begins in Tennessee

In the 1890s, on the eastern fringe of the Cumberland Mountains in Tennessee, mine owners began to replace wage-earning miners with incarcerated people leased from the state prisons. Wage laborers and the incarcerated workers rebelled against this unjust system. After a year of struggle, which sadly erupted into deadly armed violence, Tennessee became one of the first states to end the leasing of incarcerated people. Folk songs like “Coal Creek March” and “Buddy Won’t You Roll Down the Line?” commemorate the Coal Creek War.

April 3, 1963 - The Birmingham Campaign begins in Alabama

Led by Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights leaders in Birmingham, Alabama, the Birmingham Campaign used boycotts and sit-ins to demand desegregation. Eugene “Bull” Connor, the public safety commissioner, ordered police to turn fire hoses and dogs on demonstrators. The city arrested activists in droves, including King, whose “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” became an important document for social justice and civil disobedience. As a result of the campaign, President John F. Kennedy declared, “The events in Birmingham and elsewhere have so increased the cries for equality that no city or state or legislative body can prudently choose to ignore them.”

April 4, 1913 or 1915 - Blues musician Muddy Waters is born in Mississippi

Born McKinley Morganfield, blues musician Muddy Waters was a child of the Mississippi Delta who became one of the greatest influences in rock and blues history. In 1941, folklorist Alan Lomax recorded Waters at his home in Mississippi for the Library of Congress. In 1943, Waters headed up U.S. Highway 61, “the blues highway,” and moved to Chicago where he helped create the Chicago blues sound. Waters influenced countless rock and blues stars like Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix. The Rolling Stones took their name from his song “Rollin’ Stone.”

April 5, 1939 - Civil rights activist Robert Zellner is born in Florida

Bob Zellner was born in the Florida Panhandle town of Jay and grew up in Alabama. Zellner, whose paternal grandfather was a Klansman and whose father eventually left the Klan, joined the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee during the Civil Rights Movement, becoming the first white Southerner to be a field organizer. Zellner traveled across the South demonstrating against racial injustice and training activists in nonviolent action. He was arrested nearly 20 times and was beaten on several occasions. Zellner helped found Grass Roots Organizing Work, a white antiracist coalition. His memoir, Wrong Side of Murder Creek: A White Southerner in the Freedom Movement, documents his life fighting for racial justice.

In solidarity,

Your friends at the Southern Poverty Law Center

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:24:33am

re: #136 Joe Bacon ✅

When the Rapture comes The Joe Bacon Beverly Hills Homesteading Company swings into business to take possession of all those abandoned mansions and put them on the market since the pushers of the Pro$perity Go$pel insist that the rich will be the first to get picked up when JC turns on the Holy Hoover Vacuum Cleaner to suck them up into Hay-Venn!

When I was 14 my parents put me in a Baptist high school for 9th grade (after 8 years of Catholic school)…it was a bit of a culture shock. But once the hyper-passionate saved Jesus freaks explained the Rapture to me I came up with a new term: The Big Suck. Have used that for the last 46 years now.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:25:34am

Hey Philly, my youngest is about to pull in over your way on Amtrak to switch to come home for a few days from DC. Sometimes he can get a straight shot from DC to Pittsburgh, but sometimes he has to catch the Philly then to Pitt route.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:28:19am

Um

A FAMOUSLY ferocious and “ultra-violent” metal group has made its long-awaited comeback — and it was nothing short of a bloodbath.

Eat the Turnbuckle returned to the stage for the first time since 2016 on Thursday, leaving themselves black and blue as they were beaten, stoked and impaled with deadly weapons.
Exclusive pictures captured by The U.S. Sun show the wrestling-themed music group at Wrestlemania in Philadelphia, taking part in the final night of the Battle Royal Bloodbath.

Shocking images show hulking members of the band joined by deathmatch professional wrestlers as they were thumped with bizarre deadly instruments including a baseball bat with a saw installed at the tip.

Audience members were sprayed with blood as one topless wrestler, Necrobutcher, took a florescent light bulb to the face.

Heavy metal music rang out as another stood open-mouthed with around eight wooden stokes impaled into his forehead.

the-sun.com

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:30:59am

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

That’s prolly the majority of their days on their five-year mission to be honest.

Five years is 1,825 days.

There were 79 episodes of Star Trek (original series). So….lots of days cruising around in the vastness of space, with not a lot to do. Just staring at the viewscreen, maybe a cup of coffee in the mess, the occasional dalliance with a crew member.

Worst STOS Episode Ever: Episode 80-A Day in the Life. Kirk, Spock, and the gang spend the entire episode seeing that the Enterprise is ship shape and Bristol fashion. Lots of sweeping, scrubbing, and porthole cleaning.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:31:16am

re: #140 Shropshire Slasher

Um

the-sun.com

You’ll understand if I don’t click through for the images.

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wrenchwench  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:34:03am

re: #139 Eventual Carrion

Hey Philly, my youngest is about to pull in over your way on Amtrak to switch to come home for a few days from DC. Sometimes he can get a straight shot from DC to Pittsburgh, but sometimes he has to catch the Philly then to Pitt route.

I once tried to get Amtrak from Philly to Pittsburgh and had a little detour to DC. Saw states I’d never been to before or since.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:37:19am

re: #139 Eventual Carrion

She could fly Southwest and simply hop over via Phoenix or Las Vegas.

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:39:28am

re: #110 Randall Gross

The faceborg saga continues…

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:41:41am

re: #141 sizzzzlerz

Worst STOS Episode Ever: Episode 80-A Day in the Life. Kirk, Spock, and the gang spend the entire episode seeing that the Enterprise is ship shape and Bristol fashion. Lots of sweeping, scrubbing, and porthole cleaning.

IOW, “A Typical Day Aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC 1701)”

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:43:15am

re: #124 Randall Gross

Now that I think about it, the link they reported is from that same newspaper, but about the police invasion of the newspaper that ended up in the owners death from a heart attack. So they’re blocking the newspaper and any other sources of it.

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:44:24am

re: #129 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

That was the intro of the last movie.

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 6, 2024 • 7:46:35am

Embarrassingly bad! However, as they say, any landing you walk away from was a good one.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:01:12am

re: #149 sizzzzlerz

Embarrassingly bad! However, as they say, any landing you walk away from was a good one.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:01:54am

re: #98 Nerdy Fish

As we head off into the wild blue yonder for our eclipse adventure, things got off to a bit of a rough start.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:02:24am

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Unabogie  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:06:23am

Sorry if no one cares about this kind of drama, but over at Emptywheel, the former moderator “bmaz” has been stripped of his powers and is not taking it well. I have no way to see into other people’s hearts, but the boner he has for Black prosecutors who go after Trump is hard to miss.

emptywheel.net

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John Herbison:

Judge Scott McAfee has denied Donald Trump’s motion to dismiss the Fulton County indictment on First Amendment grounds.

It is encouraging that the trial court moved quickly on this matter, which was argued last week. I hope that the State promptly moves to nail down a date for jury selection to begin.

bmaz:

Lol. It figures that you are the first comment on this. I hope that this case gets shot into the face of the sun. Just as a response to you.

John Herbison:

Invective is a poor substitute for legal chops.

bmaz:

Lol, okay John.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:07:04am

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:11:23am

re: #153 Unabogie

Marci doesn’t do theatrics…her blog is all about the letter of the law in these cases and she doesn’t care for fantasy posts.

McAfee could very well set a trial date now…early fall would be perfect. Televised Trump trial Monday through Friday from early September to mid-October. You can’t pay for that kind of publicity. //

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:16:46am

re: #111 Randall Gross

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:16:46am

I need a new warsher to go with my finished laundry room, and I need the turbo model!

What is LG Turbo? Turbo Wash Explained

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:20:30am

re: #131 Eventual Carrion

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:26:14am

re: #135 No Malarkey!

There are a lot of potential chokepoints over the billions of years it takes from the first primitive replicating cell developing to an interstellar civilization to explain why we are alone so far. As long as we have only have a sample of one planet with life, we have no basis for knowing what the most difficult steps are. I’m not surprised we haven’t been contacted. The human brain simply can’t comprehend how vast the distances between stars are. We are not in fact signaling to the galaxy our existence; our weak radio and television signals peter out into background noise long before they can travel far enough to be detectable, so it would take a civilization much more advanced than ours to signal to the rest of the galaxy their existence. The speed of light makes interstellar travel extremely unlikely. Who would sentence generations of their fellow beings to the fate of living inside a tin can for centuries, if not millenia, in the faint hope that their multiple great grandchildren, who have never known any existence other than inside a starship, might be able to colonize a distant planet? Similarly, if you tried to speed up an unmanned probe to the stars fast enough to reach another solar system within a reasonable time, the likelihood is that an encounter with one speck of dust during the voyage would utterly destroy it. So it could be that the galaxy has many planets with intelligent life, and civilizations don’t destroy themselves with nuclear weapons or pollution, but we won’t find out about each other anytime soon.

There is also the theory that advanced civilizations are detectable for only a short period; that once they reach a certain level of technology, they no longer broadcast in a way that others can see them, because of a justifiable fear about the dangers posed by more advanced societies. On planet earth, we know the outcome of a technological society meeting a more primitive one. And the results are not pretty.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:28:37am

re: #129 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

TOS Boring Day typical scenario:

Bones: studying latest medical advances, researching new non-invasive surgical procedures using transporter tech.

Scotty: fine tuning Warp engine antimatter conversion another 0.3%, assistance with Bones transporter procedure, continuing work on his advanced transparent materials publication.

Sulu: design of new pilot configuration improvements, a few hours in the combat simulator, continuing writing his book on vintage flying aircraft, and instructor of his fencing training class.

Uhura: learning the 4th most important dialect of Rigel Prime, continuing her translation of the most important Swahili literary works into Klingon, send engineering proposal for increasing the bandwidth recognition of the communications systems.

Spock: meditation, submission of findings regarding the unexpected increased levels of radiation in direct wavefunction field conversion, review Science Dept personnel assignments, Vulcan harp for an hour.

Kirk: which 21 year old Cadet to bang- the blonde, the brunette, or the one with green scales running down her back and ending god knows where.

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:33:00am

re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter

The problem with that theory is that civilizations start broadcasting their technological advancements long before they would consider the potential for more advanced societies to go after them. And, if I were leading a malevolent advanced society, I would crush them as soon as I heard from them. Why give them the chance to get better?

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:37:09am

re: #160 Florida Panhandler

star trek beyond opening scene

Starting at the 2:50 mark.

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JC1  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:38:14am

re: #161 Belafon

The problem with that theory is that civilizations start broadcasting their technological advancements long before they would consider the potential for more advanced societies to go after them. And, if I were leading a malevolent advanced society, I would crush them as soon as I heard from them. Why give them the chance to get better?

Fortunately space is really big, and intelligent life is much more rare than life.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:39:10am

re: #161 Belafon

The problem with that theory is that civilizations start broadcasting their technological advancements long before they would consider the potential for more advanced societies to go after them. And, if I were leading a malevolent advanced society, I would crush them as soon as I heard from them. Why give them the chance to get better?

They only broadcast for a short time — maybe about 100 years. Communications are still limited by speed of light. The question would be the overlap between the arrival of the broadcast signals, when the malevolent society hears them (assuming the signals haven’t arrived centuries earlier), and how long it takes to reach the source.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 6, 2024 • 8:52:14am

re: #161 Belafon

The problem with that theory is that civilizations start broadcasting their technological advancements long before they would consider the potential for more advanced societies to go after them. And, if I were leading a malevolent advanced society, I would crush them as soon as I heard from them. Why give them the chance to get better?

Except, as I said in my long post which was probably too boring to read, we aren’t actually broadcasting our existence to the galaxy; our radio and television signals are far too weak to be detectable in other star systems. And we are already considering the possibility that contact with advanced civilizations could be dangerous. But I don’t think so; the distances are simply too vast to make interstellar conquest a realistic threat. Why invest the massive resources into a robot fleet to conquer another planet when you and your posterity will never receive any benefit from it whatsoever? I guarantee you that anyone would find ways to invest those resources on their own solar system which would actually produce beneficial results.

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:01:02am

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

They only broadcast for a short time — maybe about 100 years. Communications are still limited by speed of light. The question would be the overlap between the arrival of the broadcast signals, when the malevolent society hears them (assuming the signals haven’t arrived centuries earlier), and how long it takes to reach the source.

But that’s kind of the point, isn’t it: Why be afraid of a civilization that is a light-years away that is bound by the current understanding of the laws of physics? Let’s say that a society is 1,000 light years away, and they can travel at 99% of the speed of light. So they detect our first signal around 2,940, and hop in their ships. From our point of view, it will be around the here 4,000 before they get here. Doing some googling, you can divide the distance by roughly 7 light-years/year at that speed (I want to relearn physics to be able to calculate that), so on the ship, it will take around 150 years. If we still exist, we’ll either be pretty darn advanced ourselves, or there won’t be much to wipe out.

On the other hand, if they aren’t bound by our current laws of physics, couldn’t they also place devices further and further out from their location that send information back to them faster and allow them to get here sooner?

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jeffreyw  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:08:14am

A fun short read:
THE SECRET LIFE OF BOTS Clarkesworld Magazine

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:12:13am

re: #163 JC1

Fortunately space is really big, and intelligent life is much more rare than life.

As the GOP demonstrates on a daily hourly basis.

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:16:18am

re: #154 darthstar

They don’t show up well here, so I am going to include the image separately, but I think this one is great:

Mastodon

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:18:12am

re: #166 Belafon

It might not be intelligent species that our broadcasting catches the attention of. It may be just as deadly as a malevolent intelligent species though.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:19:20am

re: #169 Belafon

They don’t show up well here, so I am going to include the image separately, but I think this one is great:

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One of my favorites…I posted it to Teri Kanefield when she was lamenting that her legal commentary was getting her a lot of negative blowback from MSNBC fans.

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:22:33am

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darthstar  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:23:17am

Love that the Phishheads are sucking on nitrous balloons.

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mmmirele  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:23:34am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Ecuador…..

thestar.com

I just loaded up the Mexican edition of El Pais and at the top of the page:

México rompe relaciones con Ecuador tras el asalto policial a su Embajada en Quito

Agentes ecuatorianos irrumpen con carros blindados en la legación y capturan al exvicepresidente Jorge Glas, condenado en dos causas por corrupción y a quien el Gobierno mexicano había concedido asilo político. López Obrador califica el asalto de “flagrante violación del derecho internacional y la soberanía”

Mexico breaks relations with Ecuador after police assault on its embassy in Quito.

Ecuadorian agents broke in to the embassy with armored cars and captured [Ecuadorian] ex-vice president Jorge Glas, convicted on two charges of corruption and who the Mexican government had granted political asylum. López Obrador [president of Mexico] called the assault a “flagrant violation of international rights and [our] sovereignity.”

More at the link, in Spanish: elpais.com

So yeah, a Big Deal.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:30:15am

re: #174 mmmirele

Yeah, this is very much a big deal.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:31:13am

re: #166 Belafon

With our luck, this is what we can look forward to….😄

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:52:11am

When it comes to alien forms of life we do not know what path evolution may take on other planets.

They could be organic or other forms such as “The Waveries” as devised by Frederick Brown or based on another atomic structure such as silicon or nitrogen based. They could even be based in another dimensional format such as Flatland.

I got a feeling that other intelligent beings may exist in places very few and far between. Intelligent life just may be an extremely rare occurrence in the universe.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:52:19am

Mastodon

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A Cranky One  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:55:20am

RFK Jr. Forms New Political Party Called No Marbles. - Andy Borowitz

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Teukka  Apr 6, 2024 • 9:58:00am

This will not end the way many believe it will end…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:00:53am

re: #178 Backwoods Sleuth

Did somebody get the license plate number?

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Charmingly Persistent  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:02:23am

re: #115 steve_davis

Your plants are thinking, “this was not their strongest period!”

It’s true. it misses Uncle John’s Band

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sagehen  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:03:01am

MASSIVE anti-Netanyahu protests in Israel today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:03:15am

re: #115 steve_davis

Your plants are thinking, “this was not their strongest period!”

For bootlegs it was…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:05:31am

re: #177 Joe Bacon ✅

I don’t consider us intelligent life. 😂

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A Cranky One  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:05:40am

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Jay C  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:06:31am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, this is very much a big deal.

That sort of attack on an embassy is bad enough, but if the Mexicans had actually granted Glas asylum (which the original reports hadn’t made clear), it makes the Ecuadorians’ actions even worse.
Though, outside of diplomatic outrage, I’m not seeing what can be done….

ADD: Also, Ecuador isn’t backing down, they also declared the Mexican Ambassador PNG, and they and their staff are waiting to get flown home.
ADD2: article also reminded us that Ecuador shouldn’t gripe about Embassy issues: remember where Julian Assange hung out for years??

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:14:48am

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

They only broadcast for a short time — maybe about 100 years. Communications are still limited by speed of light. The question would be the overlap between the arrival of the broadcast signals, when the malevolent society hears them (assuming the signals haven’t arrived centuries earlier), and how long it takes to reach the source.

I think, in the following quote from HGTTG, Douglas Adams put an optimistic spin on an alien encounter:

“the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.”

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No Malarkey!  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:25:26am

re: #177 Joe Bacon ✅

When it comes to alien forms of life we do not know what path evolution may take on other planets.

They could be organic or other forms such as “The Waveries” as devised by Frederick Brown or based on another atomic structure such as silicon or nitrogen based. They could even be based in another dimensional format such as Flatland.

I got a feeling that other intelligent beings may exist in places very few and far between. Intelligent life just may be an extremely rare occurrence in the universe.

Intelligent life could be surprisingly common, but advanced technological civilizations rare. For example, the people living in the highlands of Papua New Guinea have had a farming culture for thousands of years, but with virtually no contact with the outside world until the 20th Century never advanced beyond the Stone Age. And of course Cetaceans are highly intelligent, but with no hands or access to fire, they have no technology.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:31:41am

re: #189 No Malarkey!

… Cetaceans are highly intelligent, but with no hands or access to fire, they have no technology.

that’s what they want you to think.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:31:44am

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sagehen  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:36:08am

re: #189 No Malarkey!

And of course Cetaceans are highly intelligent, but with no hands or access to fire, they have no technology.

Octopi are also highly intelligent; they have 8 hands, count them EIGHT, and they can dive deep enough to have access to vents that are as hot as fire.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:41:35am

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2024 • 10:49:03am

The Dinosaur Valley State Park in Glenn Rose is prepared for Monday:

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mmmirele  Apr 6, 2024 • 11:07:27am

re: #178 Backwoods Sleuth

I guess that’s the American version of Truck-kun, the truck that sends manga and anime protagonists into different worlds. Except for us, we get to live with our injuries and whine about them.

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mmmirele  Apr 6, 2024 • 11:11:00am

re: #192 sagehen

Octopi are also highly intelligent; they have 8 hands, count them EIGHT, and they can dive deep enough to have access to vents that are as hot as fire.

Unfortunately they have short lifespans. If octopi lived as long as humans or even dogs, who knows what would happen?

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 6, 2024 • 11:32:07am

re: #189 No Malarkey!

Intelligent life could be surprisingly common, but advanced technological civilizations rare. For example, the people living in the highlands of Papua New Guinea have had a farming culture for thousands of years, but with virtually no contact with the outside world until the 20th Century never advanced beyond the Stone Age. And of course Cetaceans are highly intelligent, but with no hands or access to fire, they have no technology.

I’ve read elephants, too, have an intelligence that may raise them from dumb beasts to something more highly developed. They do have the largest brain of any other land- based species with triple the number of neurons as humans.


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