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dat_said  May 23, 2024 • 11:25:36am

MPR News: The 2024 Atlantic hurricane season will be ‘extraordinary,’ forecasters warn

Forecasters expect 17 to 25 storms to form in the Atlantic between June 1 and the end of November. At least 8 of those are forecast to be full-blown hurricanes, as opposed to weaker tropical storms. And 4 to 7 are expected to be major hurricanes, with winds powerful enough to uproot trees, destroy mobile homes and damage other buildings

Average # is 14. If they run thru those names listed they go to the supplemental list (stopped using Greek alphabet in 2020): Adria, Braylen, Caridad, Deshawn, Emery, Foster, Gemma, Heath, Isla, Jacobus, Kenzie, Lucia, Makayla, Nolan, Orlando, Pax, Ronin, Sophie, Tayshaun, Viviana, and Will

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Unabogie  May 23, 2024 • 11:27:23am

I am definitely the new thread killer in town.

re: #203 lawhawk

Louisiana approves a bill labeling abortion pill as a controlled dangerous substance.

You can bet that the SCOTUS will allow this to go forward, even though it overrides existing federal law, the FDA, and common fucking sense.

I’d wish a state would label Viagra as such. You know, because it is. /half

I wish people connected the failure to elect Hillary Clinton in 2016 to the state of American courts today, and that this would be enough to make people vote for Biden no matter how they feel about his age. Alas, we learned nothing from that and now we’re saddled with a corrupted court system for decades.

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aatharuv  May 23, 2024 • 11:29:21am

re: #199 darthstar

Estonia could use a few Javelins.

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Earlier this week, a Russian “draft document” “leaked” where they unilaterally decided to change what it says is its sea boundary with multiple NATO countries in the Baltics (Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland). Looks like they’re trying to “implement” it now.

politico.eu

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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2024 • 11:29:48am

Winkler is on his yearly Gloatfest on the Yellowstone or one of those related rivers. It’s been 4 days of this.

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jaunte  May 23, 2024 • 11:34:21am

Interesting that farm subsidies are taxes passed through to benefit insurance companies.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 11:49:22am

Peal Harbor got us to pull together at a time when there were many Americans who supported the Axis. That may be what the guy in the video was talking about.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2024 • 11:53:53am

this is, in retrospect, maybe the funniest photo I’ve ever taken

Caræsten 🇵🇸 (@cara.city) 2024-05-23T18:50:23.114Z

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 23, 2024 • 11:55:30am

re: #2 Unabogie

I’ve been saying all along…

“She’s been right about everything.”

But many don’t care if they don’t have something to be mad about.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2024 • 12:06:15pm

re: #2 Unabogie

I am definitely the new thread killer in town.

I wish people connected the failure to elect Hillary Clinton in 2016 to the state of American courts today, and that this would be enough to make people vote for Biden no matter how they feel about his age. Alas, we learned nothing from that and now we’re saddled with a corrupted court system for decades.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 23, 2024 • 12:08:36pm

Kroger, Wednesday Evening,

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Mattand  May 23, 2024 • 12:15:31pm

re: #10 BeenHereAwhile

Kroger, Wednesday Evening,

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I love my dog, sometimes better than some people I know, but this stuff sometimes drives me nuts.

Yes, I know there legit cases where people need therapy animals, but I’m really skeptical with the ones I seem to encounter. Mainly because the dogs aren’t ID’d as such.

My dog will never know the inside of Lowes or a ShopRite because he doesn’t need to be there. He should be on the couch at home, licking himself.

Like his owner.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  May 23, 2024 • 12:17:59pm

re: #1 dat_said

wife and BiL are on that list 😹

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steve_davis  May 23, 2024 • 12:22:24pm

re: #11 Mattand

I love my dog, sometimes better than some people I know, but this stuff sometimes drives me nuts.

Yes, I know there legit cases where people need therapy animals, but I’m really skeptical with the ones I seem to encounter. Mainly because the dogs aren’t ID’d as such.

My dog will never know the inside of Lowes or a ShopRite because he doesn’t need to be there. He should be on the couch at home, licking himself.

Like his owner.

as george carlin said, if I could do that, I’d never leave the house.

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dat_said  May 23, 2024 • 12:22:54pm

re: #12 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

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darthstar  May 23, 2024 • 12:32:20pm

They named all the hurricanes and they haven’t even been born yet! Fucking forced birthers… now we have to bring them all to term.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2024 • 12:34:05pm

Netanyahu got AI to produce illustrations of a future Dubai-esque utopia of Gaza as a free trade zone after all the Palestinians are ethnically cleansed adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-…

ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper.com) 2024-05-23T19:05:05.026Z

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Jay C  May 23, 2024 • 12:37:53pm

re: #12 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

So are my spouse, and two friends…

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jaunte  May 23, 2024 • 12:40:53pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I think that tanker has run aground.

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2024 • 12:41:55pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I think this idea originated with Trump’s hellish son-in-law. Get rid of the Palestinians and make Gaza into a rich people’s playground.

Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’ | Jared Kushner | The Guardian

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 12:42:18pm

The WW2 channel is going to start a series telling the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey and Herodotus might say:

What Next for WW2?.

..

Starting soon Indy is going to do a month-by-month review of what happened in Germany starting in 1930.

Could be of great relevance to us.

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jaunte  May 23, 2024 • 12:43:12pm

Greedy plutocrats envision real estate riches on a new gold coast.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 23, 2024 • 12:43:53pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

You are most likely correct.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 23, 2024 • 12:44:27pm

re: #11 Mattand

He should be on the couch at home, licking himself.

Like his owner.

Uhm. You lick him often then?

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2024 • 12:48:20pm

It was just a matter of time until these corrupt judicial tyrants got around to dismantling Brown vs. BOE.

Charles Johnson (@charles.littlegreenfootballs.com) 2024-05-23T19:47:38.000Z

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 23, 2024 • 12:51:23pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Sucks that the second black guy confirmed to SCOTUS has turned out to be such a disaster.

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darthstar  May 23, 2024 • 12:52:15pm

Looks like ATACMS showing up in Crimea

Mastodon

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darthstar  May 23, 2024 • 12:54:20pm

re: #26 darthstar

Looks like ATACMS showing up in Crimea

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When three arrivals hit the same spot it’s probably not an accident.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 12:55:38pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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This is the kind of shit that gets me feeling negative about the future. They’re systematically dragging us backward against our will, and there’s not a goddamn thing we can do about it. And they’re going to keep doing it for decades, because if there’s one thing I know, it’s that these evil motherfuckers will live until a hundred and goddamn ten just to spite us all (and hopefully get a Republican president to replace them).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 12:56:58pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

It’s been in the playbook ever since the throwbacks maneuvered Reagan into the White House.

And today the Trumping right are all in with the worst of “conservatism”.

It’s like PaleoPat on steroids.

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gocart mozart  May 23, 2024 • 1:03:39pm
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gocart mozart  May 23, 2024 • 1:05:47pm
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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 1:05:50pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Sucks that the second black guy confirmed to SCOTUS has turned out to be such a disaster.

That was always the GOP plan — replace Thurgood Marshall with an incompetent fuckwit that’s also a loyal GOP party goon.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2024 • 1:06:03pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I think this idea originated with Trump’s hellish son-in-law. Get rid of the Palestinians and make Gaza into a rich people’s playground.

Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’ | Jared Kushner | The Guardian

Actually no, it looks now like Kushner fronted the idea as a stalking horse for Netanyahu’s government. Because reports are this plan and the associated AI images supporting it were cooked up in December of last year, while Kushner’s first statements about redeveloping Gaza came in a February 15th interview at Harvard.

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Dangerman  May 23, 2024 • 1:08:02pm

Trump Is a Much Weaker Candidate This Time

Simon Rosenberg talks to the New Yorker: “Much weaker…

- First of all, his performance on the stump is far more degraded. He’s clearly diminished. He’s far more erratic. He’s making a lot of mistakes that are hurting the campaign when he speaks.”

- “Second, his agenda is far more extreme, more dangerous, and will be far easier to exploit by the Democrats.”

More: “There are six things now that are true about him that were not true in 2020, that all voters are going to come to know in the following months—they are that
- he raped E. Jean Carroll in a department-store dressing room;
- that he oversaw one of the largest financial frauds in American history…
- that he stole American secrets… it’s the greatest betrayal of our national security by a former President in all of American history;
- he led an insurrection against the United States, he led an armed attack on the Capitol…
- and sixth, and this is really important, is that he’s singularly responsible for ending Roe.”

geez, how does he even have a chance? //

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2024 • 1:08:32pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Actually no, it looks now like Kushner fronted the idea as a stalking horse for Netanyahu’s government. Because reports are this plan and the associated AI images supporting it were cooked up in December of last year, while Kushner’s first statements about redeveloping Gaza came in a February 15th interview at Harvard.

And some people on social media are still babbling that there’s no difference between Trump and Biden.

If Trump is reelected, Netanyahu will have a free hand to do whatever the fuck he wants.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 1:08:36pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

That’s unsurprising. As far as I can tell, Kushner is just another vapid plutocrat, unqualified for any job more demanding than waving a sign at traffic to drive business to a lousy fast food joint.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 1:11:02pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

And some people on social media are still babbling that there’s no difference between Trump and Biden.

If Trump is reelected, Netanyahu will have a free hand to do whatever the fuck he wants.

I really do wonder what fraction of this online shit is from GOP/Russian ratfuckers vs. useful idiots for those ratfuckers. But it’s undeniable that significant parts of the D base are flaky in a way that the R base isn’t, which is a major problem.

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sizzzzlerz  May 23, 2024 • 1:13:48pm

re: #15 darthstar

They named all the hurricanes and they haven’t even been born yet! Fucking forced birthers… now we have to bring them all to term.

Not going to be a problem for Floriduh. DeSatan is just gonna have his lege pass laws banning publishing of information regarding them or acknowledging their existence. Out of sight, out of mind.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 1:17:44pm

re: #38 sizzzzlerz

Not going to be a problem for Floriduh. DeSatan is just gonna have his lege pass laws banning publishing of information regarding them or acknowledging their existence. Out of sight, out of mind.

That suggests the perfect punishment for these GOP shitbirds. Being staked out on a FL beach in the path of a hurricane. Before the end, reality might sink in.

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2024 • 1:23:02pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

I really do wonder what fraction of this online shit is from GOP/Russian ratfuckers vs. useful idiots for those ratfuckers. But it’s undeniable that significant parts of the D base are flaky in a way that the R base isn’t, which is a major problem.

I just saw someone on Bluesky pimping for JILL STEIN, if you can believe that.

I think the entire Green Party may now consist of Russian troll farms.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2024 • 1:32:01pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

I really do wonder what fraction of this online shit is from GOP/Russian ratfuckers vs. useful idiots for those ratfuckers. But it’s undeniable that significant parts of the D base are flaky in a way that the R base isn’t, which is a major problem.

The difference is Democrats hate their base but don’t fear it, while Republicans fear their base but don’t hate it.

Really recommend people stop punching down and taking out their frustrations on far leftists who correctly identify the problem as milquetoast centrists going along with mass murder to get along. Like, if the best argument is that people should just quietly accept another five months of flagrant mass murder and ethnic cleansing because Trump will be worse, well that argument just sucks. And sure, we can call people flaky for having and putting principles ahead of realpolitik, but it doesn’t really address the fact that getting centrists to act according to the morals they purport to have might be easier to accomplish than attempting to get people who actually believe in things to consciously let openly amoral considerations of expediency occlude those beliefs.

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2024 • 1:35:15pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

The difference is Democrats hate their base but don’t fear it, while Republicans fear their base but don’t hate it.

Really recommend people stop punching down and taking out their frustrations on far leftists who correctly identify the problem with milquetoast centrists going along with mass murder to get along. Like, if the best argument is that people should just quietly accept another five months of flagrant mass murder and ethnic cleansing because Trump will be worse, well that argument just sucks. And sure, we can call people flaky for having and putting principles ahead of realpolitik, but it doesn’t really address the fact that getting centrists to act according to the morals they purport to have might be easier to accomplish than attempting to get who actually believe in things to consciously let openly amoral considerations of expediency occlude those beliefs.

I’ve deliberately stopped arguing with them, or lecturing anyone about the need to vote AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

But sometimes it’s very difficult, because a lot of American leftists are committed to a view of politics that is horribly self-defeating.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 1:39:14pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

The difference is Democrats hate their base but don’t fear it, while Republicans fear their base but don’t hate it.

Really recommend people stop punching down and taking out their frustrations on far leftists who correctly identify the problem with milquetoast centrists going along with mass murder to get along. Like, if the best argument is that people should just quietly accept another five months of flagrant mass murder and ethnic cleansing because Trump will be worse, well that argument just sucks. And sure, we can call people flaky for having and putting principles ahead of realpolitik, but it doesn’t really address the fact that getting centrists to act according to the morals they purport to have might be easier to accomplish than attempting to get who actually believe in things to consciously let openly amoral considerations of expediency occlude those beliefs.

The reason Democrats don’t fear the progressive parts of the D base is that these are the people least likely to show up in elections, especially primaries. “We will end you in the primary” is the best threat to use vs. a politician, but unfortunately its very toothless on the D side of things.

The other big problem in D politics is that the degeneration of the GOP into an insane freak show personality cult has forced every sane political position into the Democratic party, and there are real conflicts there that aren’t easy to paper over.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 1:41:14pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

The other big problem in D politics is that the degeneration of the GOP into an insane freak show personality cult has forced every sane political position into the Democratic party, and there are real conflicts there that aren’t easy to paper over.

When your tent is as big as the Democrats’, it’s physically impossible for them all to get along all of the time. The hope is that we can convince as many of them to get along as we can, for just long enough to get the right people in place to do good work.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 23, 2024 • 1:41:24pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

The reason Democrats don’t fear the progressive parts of the D base is that these are the people least likely to show up in elections, especially primaries. “We will end you in the primary” is the best threat to use vs. a politician, but unfortunately its very toothless on the D side of things.

The other big problem in D politics is that the degeneration of the GOP into an insane freak show personality cult has forced every sane political position into the Democratic party, and there are real conflicts there that aren’t easy to paper over.

Just like the DSA here in Los Angeles all in for Jill Stein, Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs RFK or writing in Cornholio West.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 23, 2024 • 1:43:11pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

A lot of American leftists are committed to a view of politics that is horribly self-defeating.

THIS. RIGHT. HERE. It’s infuriating.

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2024 • 1:51:38pm

Anti-SLAPP laws sound good in theory, but in practice if billionaires decide they’re going to legally harass an organization like Media Matters, they can kill it. Anti-SLAPP only helps if there’s a judgment in your favor; up to that point you have to come up with lots of dollars just to start defending yourself. Organizations that don’t have deep pockets or billionaire funders are not able to fight this to the point of winning.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 1:57:25pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Anti-SLAPP laws sound good in theory, but in practice if billionaires decide they’re going to legally harass an organization like Media Matters, they can kill it. Anti-SLAPP only helps if there’s a judgment in your favor; up to that point you have to come up with lots of dollars just to start defending yourself. Organizations that don’t have deep pockets or billionaire funders are not able to fight this to the point of winning.

One change would be if you could file an anti-SLAPP motion for a case which was filed, but withdrawn before a motion to dismiss could be ruled on. Anti-SLAPP laws are actually really good, but I agree they don’t necessarily go far enough if someone with way too much money decides they’re going to be a real asshole.

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[deleted]  May 23, 2024 • 1:58:42pm
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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 2:01:05pm

re: #31 gocart Mozart

That could just be a financial decision based on expecting the stock to tank due to the wingnut boycotts.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  May 23, 2024 • 2:13:02pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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Video

The production of this film, under wartime conditions months before the German surrender, is an epic in and of itself.

The Nazis abandoned Rome on June 4, 1944; the Allies occupied the undefended city the next day. Shooting for the film began in January 1945 under precarious conditions, with its style developing from circumstance. The facilities at Cinecittà Studios were unavailable at the time, as they had been damaged in the war and were then currently requisitioned by Allied forces to house displaced persons.

Aldo Venturini, a wool merchant with some capital to invest, was involved in financing the film. After a few days of shooting production had stopped due to lack of cash, and Rossellini convinced Venturini to complete the film as a producer, arguing that it was the only way to safeguard his investment.]
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New Yorker Rod E. Geiger, a soldier in the Signal Corps who eventually became instrumental in the movie’s global success, met Rosselini at a point when the production was out of film. Geiger had access to film - short-ends and complete rolls that might have become fogged, scratched, or otherwise deemed unfit for use - that the Signal Corps regularly threw away. He provided enough of this stock for the picture to be completed.

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2024 • 2:16:13pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Justice Thomas? You are an extraordinary jackass.

When they put people of colour in camps and actual ghettos this is not going to save you.

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Dangerman  May 23, 2024 • 2:28:15pm
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Dangerman  May 23, 2024 • 2:29:33pm

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TedStriker  May 23, 2024 • 2:35:46pm

re: #52 Romantic Heretic

Justice Thomas? You are an extraordinarily jackass.

When they put people of colour in camps and actual ghettos this is not going to save you.

Camps? Ghettos? Shit, people like Thomas, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, and others of their ilk would likely be dragged from their (now) comfortable existences and, live on TV and/or the Internet, be among the first against the wall if the Reich Wing ever were to gain full control, to serve as examples of what happens when the wrong people get uppity to cower everyone else.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 2:37:56pm

re: #55 TedStriker

POCs who keep their place and don’t get uppity will be just fine in the future America that the atavists are trying to accomplish.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 23, 2024 • 2:41:04pm

From the AP: OH Gov is calling for a special session to pass legislation to ensure Joe is on the 2024 ballot.

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Dangerman  May 23, 2024 • 2:49:21pm

maybe this is not the flex Tfg thinks it is.

Talk about shooting oneself in one’s own tiny orange foot…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 2:51:12pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Political parties in the US exist not because bedfellows like being bedfellows, but because there is no other tractable way to do democracy given our Constitution.

As I wrote yesterday, I think Biden and the DNC are tone deaf to the changes the younger generation are manifesting.

I am not well connected to the under 30 crowd… so I can only go with what I read, including my FB feed of relatives.

Young people become old people, yes, but the current generation is different from when I was their age.

When I was in college I did not worry much about my loans because they were just a couple of thousand dollars.

I also did not doubt that I could get a job of some sort (though I got only two job offers upon graduation, and dozens and dozens of flush letters), or a career.

I had no reason to doubt about the way things were with life in the US.

We also didn’t have the internet and my view of the outside world was just shaped by my dorm mates and the occasional news broadcast or paper.

When young people today are diagnosed with “climate anxiety” I suspect the cause is not really about “climate”, but the anxiety comes from over-stimulation of the doom type. Almost every form of entertainment about the future is dystopian.

Having a whole generation caught up into anxiety about the future is not a good thing. It makes them very unpredictable, yes, but also ripe for saviors.

Anyway, back to Joe and the Dem powerbrokers like Schumer: they are so tied into a worldview where the US is the global policeman, and that the Democratic party is for some strange reason supposed to support Netanyahu because… reasons… that they overlook that the current war in which Israel is engaged just plays into the current anxiety problems of the younger people.

Most young people are not anti-semitic. But they are easily led by those who may be, but who can speak to fear over war and the future.

I still think Joe will carry the under-30 crowd by a wide margin.

Of those who turn out.

And that latter is the problem.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 2:51:33pm

re: #56 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

POCs who keep their place and don’t get uppity will be just fine in the future America that the atavists are trying to accomplish.

That didn’t work out for the few (and deeply stupid) Jewish Nazis.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 2:56:09pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

Kushner is as close to a vampire as can be in reality.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 2:57:42pm

re: #61 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Kushner is as close to a vampire as can be in reality.

Nah, Stephen Miller is an actual real-life vampire. Jared is probably his vampire spawn, though.

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DodgerFan1988  May 23, 2024 • 2:58:20pm


Not a transgender, example 3000.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 3:17:55pm

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 23, 2024 • 3:20:25pm

re: #64 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

Gee. No green for St Patrick’s Day? And no pink for Valentine’s Day? Florida is no fun at all.

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Dangerman  May 23, 2024 • 3:20:45pm
“Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are signaling to donors that they are putting their rivalry behind them after a contentious and often personal primary fight,” the AP reports.


Trump praised DeSantis and the effort, saying: Ron, I love that you’re back.”

desantis caves: not surprising

tfg not holding a grudge: surprising

note the italics. you left. I’m the norm.

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Dangerman  May 23, 2024 • 3:21:24pm

re: #64 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

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petty

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 3:21:41pm

re: #64 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

Just another of the semi-infinite examples of Republicans saying ‘freedom’ and meaning fascism.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 3:22:17pm

re: #65 PhillyPretzel ✅

Gee. No green for St Patrick’s Day? And no pink for Valentine’s Day? Florida is no fun at all.

DeSantis freed them from that type of fun, but they still have meth and bath salts.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 3:22:43pm

re: #67 Dangerman

petty

Trump is famously the Picasso of pettiness, and it is the party of Trump.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 23, 2024 • 3:24:13pm

re: #69 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

Bath Salts?

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 23, 2024 • 3:25:59pm

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

When young people today are diagnosed with “climate anxiety” I suspect the cause is not really about “climate”, but the anxiety comes from over-stimulation of the doom type. Almost every form of entertainment about the future is dystopian.

As somebody with a lot of under-30s connections…no.

Kids are anxious because the bad news is inescapable and they’re incapable of reconciling the contradictions of their lives between how they’re insistently told the world works and how the world observably works.

We’ve raised a bunch of kids with constant access to unlimited information in ways that make the old American cultural norm of aggressive ignorance about the rest of the world impossible. What old people think of as realpolitik is largely just being acclimated that when people suffer and die elsewhere it doesn’t connect up, it doesn’t signify anything, allowing them to simultaneously express universalist, liberal moral schemes and teach them to their kids and not-think about how existing material conditions demonstrate that nothing they say matters.

And this is precisely the case with climate change: it’s not the doom-saying, it’s the process of being told how things work and then watching them not-work, for your entire life.

Furthermore, we should probably talk about the derivative trauma of most young people living entirely inside The War On Terror, with it’s routinization of watching people exploded with missiles while adding color commentary, it’s maimed and traumatized soldiers, and it’s own demonstration between the gulf of “what is said to be the objective” and “what actually happens.” If nothing else, about half the country…and it’s not a partisan split…has been teaching their kids to be constantly scared of strangers and foreigners. The long bloody tail of the war…which literally concluded with a little brass bull of Afghan children in a van…is just an unavoidable demonstration of that life is cheap for existing institutions.

The people in their twenties and early thirties are the generation of school shootings, and have literally grown up watching adults fail to follow-through on protecting them, over time actually become resigned to being able to do little more than repost that one Onion headline. Institutional failure and indifference is their norm, and at some point the wish casting of “we would do stuff if not for Republicans” is eroded by the contradictory demand for “reaching across the aisle to get things done.”

The condescension that kids don’t know stuff is literally adults convincing themselves that their callousness is wisdom, which might be a workable position if it weren’t so demonstrable that nothing’s been learned.

The house fire is already going, and promising that everything can go back to normal doesn’t work on people who never know a “normal” that wasn’t watching the conditions that guaranteed a house fire be ignored.

You can’t fix this by declaring everyone else stupid and unrealistic precisely because the last twenty years involve all supporters of the status quo just plain denying how bad things are. This the legacy of half-hearted gesture-heavy politics while simultaneously talking down to people that want real change; this is invoking “realism” while refusing to acknowledge how aggressively undemocratic your opposite party has become, directly resulting in a series of own-goals that have created the rise of fascism.

Which is shaping up to be the next big letdown, because for some reason the center-left has hopped on the “let’s expand state surveillance activity and also make excuses for cop violence” bandwagon at the exact same time they’re talking about how bad it will be under President Trump.

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Lancelot Link Returns!  May 23, 2024 • 3:26:25pm

re: #71 PhillyPretzel ✅

“Florida leads the nation in overdose deaths involving the synthetic ‘bath salt’ eutylone”

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 3:27:19pm

re: #71 PhillyPretzel ✅

Bath Salts?

The street name for a synthetic form of the drug in khat.
There have been several stories of Florida Man berserk on it.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 23, 2024 • 3:31:27pm

re: #63 DodgerFan1988

Another day, another Pulpit Pimp Pervert…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 3:33:21pm

re: #72 The Ghost of a Flea

As somebody with a lot of under-30s connections…no.

Kids are anxious because the bad news is inescapable and they’re incapable of reconciling the contradictions of their lives.

There was bad news when I was growing up:

1) Vietnam war was raging;
2) duck and cover;
3) assassinations, riots, etc.

And the list goes on.

But I do not remember being anxious over any of those.

Because they were distant.

They were not in my face.

My TV watching had some very positive ideas about the future (e.g. Star Trek.)

One emotional state is very much influence by those around us, and by what we feed ourselves.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 23, 2024 • 3:37:00pm

re: #66 Dangerman

desantis caves: not surprising

tfg not holding a grudge: surprising

note the italics. you left. I’m the norm.

I don’t think this is quite right. I think Trump quite enjoys when someone who used to oppose him decides to support him. As long as they suck up enough he will welcome them in. Think Lindsey Graham.

I don’t think it will work for Nikki, because she is a WOC. But DeSantis is just his type, as long as he bends the knee

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 3:38:30pm
Why reimagining the particle accelerator is so challenging

Right now, over in Europe, the world’s most powerful particle accelerator in history — the Large Hadron Collider — is once again colliding particles in record fashion: at the highest energies and with the greatest collision frequencies (what accelerator physicists call luminosities) of all-time. Record numbers of collisions at record-high energies are going to translate into the production of more Higgs bosons (as well as many other interesting particles) than ever before. But even this iteration of the Large Hadron Collider, the high-luminosity version (the HL-LHC), is still going to be severely limited in terms of what types of questions it will be able to answer.

Is this truly the Standard Model Higgs boson that we’ve discovered, or are there other particles with the same quantum numbers as the Standard Model Higgs that mix together with it?

When a newly created Higgs boson then decays, does it purely follow the Standard Model’s predicted decay channels, or does it (at least sometimes) decay in a non-standard, unexpected way?

When any of the heavy, exotic particles (W bosons, Z bosons, top quarks, etc.) are created and then decay, do they show any evidence for non-standard (i.e., non-Standard Model) behavior?

And are there any new, exotic particles that can be created at a collider that fall outside of what the Standard Model predicts?

All colliders have limits to what they’ll be able to probe: even the HL-LHC. To find out more information about the fundamentals of our Universe, a new collider will be needed. But which one should we build? Here’s what everyone should know about the four major types of collider presently under consideration.

bigthink.com

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Belafon  May 23, 2024 • 3:41:44pm

re: #66 Dangerman

desantis caves: not surprising

tfg not holding a grudge: surprising

note the italics. you left. I’m the norm.

Desantis needs Trump in power to continue to be a racist shithead in office.
Trump needs Desantis to keep the government out of Mar a Lago.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 3:43:25pm

re: #72 The Ghost of a Flea

We’ve raised a bunch of kids with constant access to unlimited information in ways that make the old American cultural norm of aggressive ignorance about the rest of the world impossible.

You make it sound as if ignorance (of the world) is somehow a US-thing.

I remember enough about my childhood to know this: my view of the outside world was mostly informed by watching either Cronkite or Howard K. Smith for 30 minutes on the evening news, but I don’t remember ever being moved enough to remember anything in particular now.

I did have a radio that could receive various SW bands, and I could pick up a BBC broadcast now and then, and even a Cuban broadcast.

Around the world: I doubt most people even had that.

Over-stimulation is a real issue for mental health.

And I’m simply saying that young people today are indeed victims of being over-stimulated by bad news (real) or imagined (dystopian fiction.)

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Charmingly Persistent  May 23, 2024 • 3:43:26pm

re: #64 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

[Embedded content]

White light has all of the colors in it, so cities can create rainbows if they like

Pink Floyd prism
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Joe Bacon ✅  May 23, 2024 • 3:43:36pm

The ‘lie’ that keeps evangelicals ‘praising Trump with faint damnation’: columnist

What lie? Radical Xtians lust for power. They get off on knowing Trump will hurt people that they hate and they love him for that.

alternet.org

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Belafon  May 23, 2024 • 3:46:40pm

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Having three voting age children under 30 I can tell you that they know only one party is actually trying to stop gun violence, even if they are facing strong headwinds from existing systems; only one party is trying to lower student debt; only one party is doing anything for gays; only one party is trying to address climate change (and yes, they know the climate is a problem).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 3:51:29pm

re: #72 The Ghost of a Flea

And this is precisely the case with climate change: it’s not the doom-saying, it’s the process of being told how things work and then watching them not-work, for your entire life.

Maybe I’m not following you, but “being told how things work” could use some expansion.

Our media and entertainment are full of cynicism about modern life. How any young American can escape that I do not understand.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2024 • 3:54:25pm

re: #76 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There was bad news when I was growing up:

1) Vietnam war was raging;
2) duck and cover;
3) assassinations, riots, etc.

And the list goes on.

But I do not remember being anxious over any of those.

Because they were distant.

They were not in my face.

My TV watching had some very positive ideas about the future (e.g. Star Trek.)

One emotional state is very much influence by those around us, and by what we feed ourselves.

OK so A. maybe you should have been anxious about those things, especially the duck and cover drills, and B. this seems like casting the problem as one of messaging and one’s exposure to the media environment instead of young people very much having the very concept of a viable future and livable planet stolen from them. There’s no amount of “healthy” media a young person can feed themselves to make that go away, in part because ignoring it is actually the most toxic response possible. That’s the difference between then and now, and why the bad news now is inescapable. Because any attempt to escape it now only fuels and empowers its worst drivers.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 4:00:37pm

A second plumber is coming out for a second opinion tomorrow, now that one has said he needs to tear up the kitchen floor after working on it from under the sink for hours.

It would be nice to have a new kitchen floor. Days without a kitchen after the last five without a sink or dishwasher won’t be so nice, but isn’t a huge problem. There’s plenty of fast food around here.

I’m just glad this is an apartment rather than a condo, so I’m not out any money.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 4:01:06pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Another way of saying much the same thing is that optimism was much easier in the 1960s and 1970s than it is now.

Despite all the turmoil of that earlier era, there was not the bedrock certainty “this can’t go on” like we have today.

The biggest example in US politics is that for significant progress on any and every issue, ending the national power of the Republican party is an absolute prerequisite.

Even if civilized people manage to get that done, it is very likely to take more time than we have.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 4:08:36pm

Note to techbros: When stealing copyrighted material to train your models on, The Onion should probably not be among the sources.

oh my god

Tim Onion (@bencollins.bsky.social) 2024-05-23T22:59:37.098Z

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 4:09:37pm

When I went out for lunch today, I saw the IL license plate HIPPIE. Old guy with lots of white hair and a big beard in a jeep.

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gocart mozart  May 23, 2024 • 4:12:13pm
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gocart mozart  May 23, 2024 • 4:13:16pm
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Belafon  May 23, 2024 • 4:13:58pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

I was definitely anxious about nukes as a kid. We would occasionally talk about them in middle school in the early 80s. I remember doing that in tennis class a few times.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 23, 2024 • 4:14:33pm

re: #88 Nerdy Fish

Note to techbros: When stealing copyrighted material to train your models on, The Onion should probably not be among the sources.

[Embedded content]

That was not intentional. It got posted on a serious site. It does highlight the fact that AI does not know good info from bad, and the Internet is full of bad info.

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 4:14:53pm

re: #88 Nerdy Fish

That suggests a tough variant of the Turing test — see if an AI is better at distinguishing satire from non-satire than people are.

My assumption is that the current chatbots would be a total bust at this.

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Belafon  May 23, 2024 • 4:15:17pm

This is the machine learning hurdle I think will have to be solved:

If the goal of AI research is to one day recreate the human brain, then they’ve got a long way to go. While large language models (LLMs) do a pretty good job of faking sentience (and even tricking some programmers along the way), mimicking the human mind—honed over millions of years of evolution—isn’t so easy.

Take, for instance, abstraction. Without really thinking about it, humans can learn new concepts by creating high-level representations of complicated topics that sort-of rip out the less important details. But despite the headlines of AI’s meteoric rise in complexity, these systems still struggle with such cognitive tasks.

That’s why researchers at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) have created three “libraries of abstraction” that show how everyday words can provide a “rich source of context for language models,” according to an MIT press statement, with the goal of imparting something akin to human reasoning on AI. Spread across three separate papers, the scientists presented their findings at the International Conference on Learning Representations in Vienna earlier this month.

popularmechanics.com

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EPR-radar  May 23, 2024 • 4:17:48pm

re: #92 Belafon

I was definitely anxious about nukes as a kid. We would occasionally talk about them in middle school in the early 80s. I remember doing that in tennis class a few times.

One difference is this — nuclear annihilation was (and still is) a possibility.

The shit hitting the fan from endgame capitalism + climate change is a certainty.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 4:19:12pm

Again, to repeat: “AI”, or Large Language Models (LLMs), are nothing more than the world’s biggest and most expensive autocomplete engines. They do not know anything. They do not “look up” anything other than, “what is the most likely word to come after the current word, given the words that are already in this response?”

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 23, 2024 • 4:21:56pm

I’m old enough to remember when there weren’t giant companies trying as hard as possible to make the internet suck.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 4:22:39pm

re: #98 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m old enough to remember when there weren’t giant companies trying as hard as possible to make the internet suck.

I mean, they’ve been trying to do that for as long as there’s been an Internet. And before that, they were trying to make everything that wasn’t the Internet suck.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 4:25:29pm

re: #97 Nerdy Fish

Again, to repeat: “AI”, or Large Language Models (LLMs), are nothing more than the world’s biggest and most expensive autocomplete engines. They do not know anything. They do not “look up” anything other than, “what is the most likely word to come after the current word, given the words that are already in this response?”

Which of course raises the question whether epistemology can be applied LLMs.

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Belafon  May 23, 2024 • 4:25:48pm

re: #97 Nerdy Fish

Again, to repeat: “AI”, or Large Language Models (LLMs), are nothing more than the world’s biggest and most expensive autocomplete engines. They do not know anything. They do not “look up” anything other than, “what is the most likely word to come after the current word, given the words that are already in this response?”

In other words, they’re all trying out to be Trump’s VP.

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Belafon  May 23, 2024 • 4:26:30pm

re: #100 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Which of course raises the question whether epistemology can be applied LLMs.

They do pose interesting questions about intelligence.

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Nerdy Fish  May 23, 2024 • 4:31:49pm

re: #102 Belafon

They do pose interesting questions of intelligence.

Indeed. There’s quite a philosophy behind calling it “artificial intelligence”; basically, what a computer scientist means by “intelligent” is “non-deterministic.” As opposed to a typical computer algorithm, where you get the exact same output every time you give it the same input, an artificial intelligence algorithm is self-modifying, capable of producing a different output if it has memory of its past outputs and how accurate (or inaccurate) those outputs were. This mimics human intelligence after a fashion, but the algorithms we have today are fundamentally limited by the fact that the more general their purpose, the less effective they are. Essentially, if you fed all of human knowledge to a general-purpose “artificial intelligence” algorithm, every answer it gave you would be, “Reply hazy, try again later.” The big revolution in artificial intelligence is going to be in discovering techniques to make that leap to general-purpose models.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2024 • 4:34:13pm

re: #92 Belafon

I was definitely anxious about nukes as a kid. We would occasionally talk about them in middle school in the early 80s. I remember doing that in tennis class a few times.

Yeah I’m a hair younger, born in ‘73, and while I never had to deal with duck and cover drills the tension was definitely present. I also remember movies like The Day After and Amazing Grace and Chuck would occasionally deal, in very different ways, with that tension head on.

The real difference is that while I could see global warming coming a long way way (I gave my first science fair project on the subject as a child in fifth grade, 1984) I was still raised in an environment before the tipping point. Well by any reasonable estimate we’re way past the tipping point now and the science of remote sensing and climate modeling has progressed to the point where that’s just undeniably obvious to everyone who isn’t actively invested in destroying the planet.

Point being the nature of the threat young people face has evolved from some nebulous bunch of ideologically alien but still human others beholden to an alternative economic system to the immutable laws of thermodynamics, which cannot possibly be negotiated or reasoned with, and have been set in motion by the selfish and myopic decisions of their own parents and grandparents.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 23, 2024 • 4:36:27pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

There’s no amount of “healthy” media a young person can feed themselves to make that go away, in part because ignoring it is actually the most toxic response possible. That’s the difference between then and now, and why the bad news now is inescapable. Because any attempt to escape it now only fuels and empowers its worst drivers.

I suggest the latter has always been true.

This is why the Vietnam war ended the way it did: Americans were shown images on TV, images they could not escape.

B. this seems like casting the problem as one of messaging and one’s exposure to the media environment instead of young people very much having the very concept of a viable future and livable planet stolen from them.

I commented a couple of weeks ago on Ari Wallach’s latest project, funded by Kathryn Murdoch and playing on PBS. Wallach admits in the series that his goal is to create a more hopeful view of the future.

Now much of what he offers I think qualifies as hopium, yet I cannot completely rule out that his goal is not unreasonable: humans need to tell ourselves stories to give us hope and meaning.

Now, as to “stolen”, that raises the whole issue of whose planet is it anyway.

If we answer: everybody …. then that doesn’t help because, for example, if I own a lampshade should I not be able to do with it as I see fit? If I want to hang it on my wall then fine, but if I want to shred it and throw it away then also fine.

I can easily imagine MBS saying to himself that the fossil carbon in KSA is his and he should be allowed to do with it as he sees fit.

Yes, I know, the problem of the commons. But just because we can put a label on an ethical conundrum does not help us solve it.

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Semper Fi  May 23, 2024 • 4:39:18pm

re: #89 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

When I went out for lunch today, I saw the IL license plate HIPPIE. Old guy with lots of white hair and a big beard in a jeep.

He’s still hanging on. Good on him.

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2024 • 4:39:37pm

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Nite Owl: What happened to us? What happened to The American Dream?

Comedian: What happened to The American Dream? It came true! You’re looking at it.

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2024 • 4:41:47pm

re: #64 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

The state where you are free…

…to do what we tell you.

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2024 • 4:48:33pm

re: #81 Charmingly Persistent

I was about to say, “DeSantis will now ban white light.” Then I realized “White” so he probably won’t.

I guess it depends on which of his voters fears he wants to trigger.

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teleskiguy  May 23, 2024 • 5:07:06pm

I’m a skier. Born in ‘82. I see climate as existential. It could wipe out my way of life, in my lifetime.


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