Video: Jury deliberations begin in Trump trial - “Gravity of this moment cannot be overstated”

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The jury has been deliberating for two and a half hours, and Donald Trump is ranting uncontrollably on his garbage website.

Judge Merchan delivered jury instructions today and explained what is required for the jury to find former President Trump guilty. Now, jury deliberations begin. Our legal panel discusses.

In the last few minutes, Trump also effusively thanked Supreme Court extremist Samuel Alito for his loyalty to the Dear Leader.

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262 comments
1
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 29, 2024 • 11:16:07am

Gravitas his ass!

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Shropshire Slasher  May 29, 2024 • 11:18:00am

Let the intimidation continue until morale improves!

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 11:18:53am

alito is playing in our faces because he knows there’s nothing we can do about it and he has total contempt for the idea that he might be accountable for anything he does

— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie.bsky.social) 2024-05-29T18:14:59.170Z

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Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 11:19:40am

my ethics require me to be independent in mind, fact and appearance

appearance means

the avoidance of circumstances that would cause a reasonable and informed third party, having knowledge of all relevant information, including safeguards applied, to reasonably conclude that the integrity, objectivity, or professional skepticism of [the individual] had been compromised

a no-account cpa has to maintain a higher ethical standard than a scotus judge

and we don’t get to self-police

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 11:21:16am

Unaccountable monsters, shoving their disrespect for law and decency in our faces.

— Charles Johnson (@charles.littlegreenfootballs.com) 2024-05-29T18:20:53.000Z

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Egregious Philbin  May 29, 2024 • 11:21:49am

A friend of mine posted this elsewhere:

“My wife is a private citizen, and she possesses the same First Amendment rights as every other American. She makes her own decisions, and I have always respected her right to do so.”
- Samuel Alito, referring to his wife, but to no other female person in the United States

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2024 • 11:23:09am
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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 11:23:14am

re: #6 Egregious Philbin

She makes her own decisions which are in no serious conflict with my own, so I have always respected her right to do so.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 11:25:22am

The MAGA terrorist gang swatted Michael Fanone’s mother.

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A Cranky One  May 29, 2024 • 11:26:59am

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 11:33:14am

re: #7 gocart mozart

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There will be so many sweet tears of impotent MAGA rage if Trump is convicted.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 11:35:54am

re: #11 No Malarkey!

There will be so many sweet tears of impotent MAGA rage if Trump is convicted.

Let’s keep that rage impotent.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2024 • 11:37:15am
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Egregious Philbin  May 29, 2024 • 11:37:40am

re: #11 No Malarkey!

There is plenty of room for them in prison if they get violent.

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 11:40:05am

The problem with our system is that the Founding Fathers built it based on the predicate that only people who were honest and upstanding would be entrusted with the highest authority. They never banked on their “small state protections” bringing into power a reality TV host with shit for brains who appointed as many shady shysters into high positions as he could. If we survive long enough to fix it, we need to start putting in safeguards so that our only recourse against a corrupt judge isn’t to hope he has a sudden attack of conscience and spontaneously decides to recuse himself.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 11:42:13am

I keep seeing people try to figure out if Trump wrote a post or a staffer did it for him.

But it simply does not matter, except as a parlor game. If a statement goes out under his name, it’s his statement. End of story.

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 11:43:11am

re: #15 Nerdy Fish

The problem with our system is that the Founding Fathers built it based on the predicate that only people who were honest and upstanding would be entrusted with the highest authority. They never banked on their “small state protections” bringing into power a reality TV host with shit for brains who appointed as many shady shysters into high positions as he could. If we survive long enough to fix it, we need to start putting in safeguards so that our only recourse against a corrupt judge isn’t to hope he has a sudden attack of conscience and spontaneously decides to recuse himself.

IMO there’s no such thing as safeguards sufficient to deal with the bad faith of the GOP. The only solution to the present crisis is to end the GOP as a national party.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 11:45:29am

A new study suggests that, just in terms of sheer numbers of acts of aggression, bonobo males are more violent than male chimpanzees. However, because bonobos live in matriarchal societies, the males weren’t observed to engage in organized mass violence like male chimpanzees do, so they weren’t observed to kill each other. Bonobos are more difficult to study than chimpanzees because they live deep in the remote jungle of just one country.

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 11:48:11am

Live your life in such a way that Donald J. Trump isn’t applauding your decisions.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 11:50:50am

Who are the noisemaker people trying to interrupt news comment outside the courtroom?

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dat_said  May 29, 2024 • 11:53:36am

re: #378 No Malarkey!

Judge dismisses all charges against famous celebrity golfer. No, not that one!

And this part gets swept under the rug:

The Louisville Metropolitan Police Department said in a news conference that the officer involved in the incident, Bryan Gillis, did not have his body-worn camera turned on at the time and had been punished for violating the department’s policy. Other publicly-released footage of the incident did not show Scheffler’s car dragging Gillis as described in the initial incident report.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 11:53:57am

@sababausa.bsky.social

It sure would be comical if Samuel Alito had recently published an opinion in which he expressed strong feelings about flags and wrote that passersby viewing a flag flying over a building would naturally assume the flag conveys some message on the owner’s behalf

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Unabogie  May 29, 2024 • 11:55:22am

re: #13 gocart mozart

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Elie will just never, ever miss an opportunity to bash Democrats for something a Republican did.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 29, 2024 • 11:58:26am

re: #20 jaunte

Who are the noisemaker people trying to interrupt news comment outside the courtroom?

Yesterday it was Robert De Niro trying to intimidate the jury, not sure who it is today.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:02:10pm

re: #24 Shropshire Slasher

Yesterday it was Robert De Niro trying to intimidate the jury, not sure who it is today.

What a stupid comment.

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 12:04:20pm

I have to mow the yard this afternoon, which is a surefire way to get you guys a verdict while I am gone.

/half - I’m not that important to the universe.

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:06:12pm

Troll in the dungeon

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Dave In Austin  May 29, 2024 • 12:06:29pm

Anyone think Roberts will chime in about the integrity of the SCOTUS anytime soon?

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Eventual Carrion  May 29, 2024 • 12:07:11pm

re: #8 jaunte

She makes her own decisions which are in no serious conflict with my own, so I have always respected her right to do so.

^^^^^ This right here. If she put up a Biden sign he would hit the roof.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 12:09:15pm

I’ve had this switch for months, and just noticed, thanks to having reading glasses on, that the people who made it do not know how to spell “input.”

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 12:10:01pm

re: #24 Shropshire Slasher

Yesterday it was Robert De Niro trying to intimidate the jury, not sure who it is today.

Stop smoking crack. You’re losing your mind.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 12:13:19pm

re: #18 No Malarkey!

A new study suggests that, just in terms of sheer numbers of acts of aggression, bonobo males are more violent than male chimpanzees. However, because bonobos live in matriarchal societies, the males weren’t observed to engage in organized mass violence like male chimpanzees do, so they weren’t observed to kill each other. Bonobos are more difficult to study than chimpanzees because they live deep in the remote jungle of just one country.

I don’t see any comparisons to females of the three species mentioned. Also:

The common ancestor of the three species lived about seven million years ago, before Homo sapiens separated from the pack. Five million years later, chimpanzees and bonobos split.

Bases for thought, not conclusions. Much skepticism.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 12:13:28pm

@parickards.bsky.social

Katie Phang
JUST NOW: The jury rang the courtroom. It could be a note. But we don’t know yet. Standby.

Both sides have entered the courtroom. Donald Trump is also present.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:14:19pm

No verdict yet.

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:15:11pm

It’s a note from the jury.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 29, 2024 • 12:15:29pm

re: #31 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

Stop smoking crack. You’re losing your mind.

Isn’t that why Alvin Bragg was in the courtroom today?

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Targetpractice  May 29, 2024 • 12:15:39pm

re: #33 jaunte

@parickards.bsky.social

Tease!

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:16:21pm

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 12:16:49pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

No verdict yet.

re: #35 lawhawk

It’s a note from the jury.

Come on guys. Just 10 more seconds of eager anticipation before you crush it! Is that too much to ask?

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Shropshire Slasher  May 29, 2024 • 12:17:00pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Charles, that hurts my feelings.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:17:15pm

re: #40 Shropshire Slasher

Charles, that hurts my feelings.

As if.

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Unabogie  May 29, 2024 • 12:19:13pm

re: #40 Shropshire Slasher

Charles, that hurts my feelings.

Look, you clearly get some sort of joy out of upsetting people. I’d take a walk in the woods, and ask yourself why you can’t find joy and satisfaction in your life doing something positive? I feel kind of sorry for you. You must be a pretty lonely guy, and that must really suck.

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:20:38pm

Jury request for information:
Via @innercitypress

The request is for David Pecker’s testimony about phone conversation with the defendant, about the decision not to finalize on Karen McDougal’s life rights

Also Mr. Pecker’s testimony about the Trump Tower meeting, and Michael Cohen’s testimony about that meeting.

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 12:22:23pm

LOL at the resident deplorable acting up — look who is not confident their Orange God will escape justice again.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 29, 2024 • 12:22:44pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

As if.

That is fine. I appreciate you letting me post here.

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Unabogie  May 29, 2024 • 12:22:48pm

re: #43 lawhawk

Jury request for information:
Via @innercitypress

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:24:46pm

In fairness to Alito “if liberals are rude it’s ok to support overthrowing the government” is as concise a distillation of trump era conservatism as you’ll ever see

— Adam Serwer (@adamserwer.bsky.social) 2024-05-29T19:10:31.263Z

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steve_davis  May 29, 2024 • 12:26:09pm

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  May 29, 2024 • 12:26:12pm

After due deliberation, my wonder-dog Roswell II the Atomic Pound Pup, my ladyfriend Carol, and I have reached our verdict.

Guilty as fuck. Lock him up!

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:26:42pm

Misogynistic and authoritarian GOP Tennessee Gov Bill Lee quietly OKs penalizing adults who help minors receive abortions, gender-affirming care. He signed these on the down low, precisely because too much attention would draw fire from everyone who cares about reproductive rights and women’s rights and bodily autonomy.

They’re intent on pushing fugitive abortion laws and similar laws to go after those trying to help women desperate to get the care they need.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 12:27:03pm

re: #35 lawhawk

It’s a note from the jury.

“Can we get some more mustard for the pastrami sandwiches we got from Katz’s?”

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HRH Stanley Sea  May 29, 2024 • 12:27:53pm

re: #43 lawhawk

Jury request for information:
Via @innercitypress

JOSH KOVENSKY
3:16 p.m.
It’s All Trump
All four pieces of testimony that the jury requested go to instances in which Trump himself was allegedly involved in critical moments, either around the hush money scheme or the reimbursement.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 12:28:31pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

I don’t see any comparisons to females of the three species mentioned. Also:

Bases for thought, not conclusions. Much skepticism.

More study is definitely called for. Females of all three species tend to be less violent than males.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:28:44pm

I have seen some bad takes on AI over the last couple of years. This may be the most stupid

— Paul M. Cray (@pmc.bsky.social) 2024-05-29T19:10:22.243Z

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 12:28:48pm

re: #52 HRH Stanley Sea

JOSH KOVENSKY
3:16 p.m.
It’s All Trump
All four pieces of testimony that the jury requested go to instances in which Trump himself was allegedly involved in critical moments, either around the hush money scheme or the reimbursement.

It looks like the jury is asking intelligent questions. That’s bad news for the Mango Menace.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 12:29:41pm

Carol Burnett - “Feelings” on The Gong Show

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:31:15pm

right now, the extent of what democrats can do is hounding and shame, which they should do! biden should condemn the insurrectionist members of the court, durbin and whitehouse should hold hearings and demand that alito and thomas both answer questions before congress. make it a spectacle, basically

— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie.bsky.social) 2024-05-29T18:29:49.566Z

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:31:22pm

re: #55 EPR-radar

Jury just went to the heart of the matter - what did Trump know and do re: the alleged crimes. Well, here are the specific conversations with Cohen, Pecker, etc., and here’s the testimony from both Pecker and Cohen that corroborate Trump knew and directed this scheme to engage in a coverup of how the payments would be handled.

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steve_davis  May 29, 2024 • 12:32:01pm

re: #18 No Malarkey!

A new study suggests that, just in terms of sheer numbers of acts of aggression, bonobo males are more violent than male chimpanzees. However, because bonobos live in matriarchal societies, the males weren’t observed to engage in organized mass violence like male chimpanzees do, so they weren’t observed to kill each other. Bonobos are more difficult to study than chimpanzees because they live deep in the remote jungle of just one country.

“matriarchal societies”—i.e., ya fuck up, you’re sleepin’ on the couch, and momma isn’t making you Sunday dinner.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:32:22pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Jury just went to the heart of the matter - what did Trump know and do re: the alleged crimes. Well, here are the specific conversations with Cohen, Pecker, etc., and here’s the testimony from both Pecker and Cohen that corroborate Trump knew and directed this scheme to engage in a coverup of how the payments would be handled.

Possibly a good sign for a conviction; they’re asking about the specific bits that show Trump’s guilt.

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Dr Lizardo  May 29, 2024 • 12:34:28pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Jury just went to the heart of the matter - what did Trump know and do re: the alleged crimes. Well, here are the specific conversations with Cohen, Pecker, etc., and here’s the testimony from both Pecker and Cohen that corroborate Trump knew and directed this scheme to engage in a coverup of how the payments would be handled.

That Trump posted that “Mother Theresa wouldn’t be able to beat these charges” (I’m paraphrasing) tells me he pretty much expects to be found guilty.

Well, that and he’s probably scared shitless of what that’s gonna mean going forward.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 12:34:31pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Maybe they’re working on a holdout.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 12:34:33pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Misogynistic and authoritarian GOP Tennessee Gov Bill Lee quietly OKs penalizing adults who help minors receive abortions, gender-affirming care. He signed these on the down low, precisely because too much attention would draw fire from everyone who cares about reproductive rights and women’s rights and bodily autonomy.

They’re intent on pushing fugitive abortion laws and similar laws to go after those trying to help women desperate to get the care they need.

This is, of course, just the first step. As Anymouse noted, in Nebraska they are trying to get a fetal personhood amendment added to the state constitution. Once a clump of cells is a “person” with constitutional rights, they will start regulating interstate travel by adult women.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 12:36:23pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Adam Serwer is the only human who can begin a statement with, ‘In fairness to Alito…’ and I will read the rest.

Don’t any of the rest of you try that unless you wanna get scrolled.

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:36:34pm

re: #62 jaunte

Or specific charges within the 31 charges. Working out the timing and what Trump knew and when.

If they’re working on a holdout as you posit, that means they’ve already done a straw poll to see where they stand.

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Eventual Carrion  May 29, 2024 • 12:37:21pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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I’ll drink to that!

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 12:37:57pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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We know it’s what the Republicans would do, because they do it for far less reason all the time.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:38:34pm

re: #67 No Malarkey!

We know it’s what the Republicans would do, because they do it for far less reason all the time.

And it works!

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 12:39:08pm

re: #53 No Malarkey!

More study is definitely called for. Females of all three species tend to be less violent than males.

But not non-violent, and yes, more study. Drop the biases, researchers and writers.

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Dave In Austin  May 29, 2024 • 12:43:28pm

😂 😂😂😂

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TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 12:45:45pm

re: #24 Shropshire Slasher

re: #36 Shropshire Slasher

re: #40 Shropshire Slasher

It’s cute that you think that you’re bringing your A game, but you’re not even AAA.

Look, I like and enjoy some debate with people with different and defensible POVs. That said, when it’s clear that trolling other Lizards with Trump/GOP bullshit is pretty much your raison d’être here, I have no problem or compunction about telling you to go fuck yourself.

You want to actually debate policy or platforms or particular stances in good faith, fine; the more, the merrier. But, trolling is easy, simple, and cowardly, because, in this case, you know that your POV is absolute garbage, but you gotta defend your team, right?

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 12:45:55pm

re: #40 Shropshire Slasher

Charles, that hurts my feelings.

When people act insane, they get called out on it. You’re acting fully insane, like you live in the wingnut bubble.

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lawhawk  May 29, 2024 • 12:53:56pm

Trump to his base:

I don’t have a fucking clue what the charges are. This is a witch hunt.

Trump to the judge under penalty of perjury:

Yes, your honor. I understand the charges.

It’s all performative BS all the time from Trump.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 12:56:04pm

We have another note.

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danarchy  May 29, 2024 • 12:57:43pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Trump to his base:

Trump to the judge under penalty of perjury:

It’s all performative BS all the time from Trump.

Just curious, what actually happens if a defendent says “no I don’t understand”?

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 1:01:14pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

We have another note.

The judge is going to re-read the jury instructions to the jury.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 29, 2024 • 1:01:25pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Another note.
Is is too early to order dinner?

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JC1  May 29, 2024 • 1:02:16pm

If there is a holdout, how long can the deliberations continue? What’s the longest jury deliberation in history? Trump has to be in court for it, so… Let’s drag it out a couple of months.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 1:02:32pm

re: #70 Dave In Austin

😂 😂😂😂

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Funny that, since it came out after her death (but some allegations were made while she was still alive) that Mother Teresa was a POS too.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 1:03:16pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Trump to his base:

Trump to the judge under penalty of perjury:

It’s all performative BS all the time from Trump.

One of the truly disturbing things about Trump is the weird anti-truth field that seems to surround him, letting him say things that are plainly false, often in ways that are incredibly obvious to any human being, and never face any consequences for it. His right wing audience is compelled to act as if he’s the only source of factual reality.

This is scary shit.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 1:04:33pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

One of the truly disturbing things about Trump is the weird anti-truth field that seems to surround him, letting him say things that are plainly false, often in ways that are incredibly obvious to any human being, and never face any consequences for it. His right wing audience is compelled to act as if he’s the only source of factual reality.

This is scary shit.

The textbook definition of ‘cult’.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 1:04:56pm

Re-reading the instructions makes me think we might be close to a verdict.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:06:16pm

re: #79 TedStriker

Funny that, since it came out after her death that Mother Teresa was a POS too.

Wait. What??

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 1:06:21pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Re-reading the instructions makes me think we might be close to a verdict.

The jury is being excused for the day. The judge will reread the instructions to them tomorrow.

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danarchy  May 29, 2024 • 1:08:20pm

Another question I had is why doesn’t the jury get a written copy of the jury instructions? It seems horribly inefficient to read the 55 pages of instructions and then have them come back to you any time they need to be refreshed on something. I mean, you read me 55 pages of anything I will be lucky to vaguely remember half of it.

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JC1  May 29, 2024 • 1:08:29pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

One of the truly disturbing things about Trump is the weird anti-truth field that seems to surround him, letting him say things that are plainly false, often in ways that are incredibly obvious to any human being, and never face any consequences for it. His right wing audience is compelled to act as if he’s the only source of factual reality.

This is scary shit.

You’re talking about people who believe that god spoke via a burning bush, that the universe is 6000 years old, and that ivermectin cures covid. Critical thinking is not their strong suit; listening and nodding along with the preacher is all that’s required. And the preachers told them that Trump is a messenger from god.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 1:08:39pm

re: #78 JC1

If there is a holdout, how long can the deliberations continue? What’s the longest jury deliberation in history? Trump has to be in court for it, so… Let’s drag it out a couple of months.

Longest jury deliberation is four and a half months. The deliberations can continue as long as the judge thinks the impasse may be broken.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 29, 2024 • 1:08:40pm

re: #15 Nerdy Fish

The problem with our system is that the Founding Fathers built it based on the predicate that only people who were honest and upstanding would be entrusted with the highest authority.

and our electoral system is based on mutual trust and goodwill with a degree of oversight. Good faith and trust are done for and buried and I don’t know if the system as it stands is robust enough to withstand the massive industrial-strength level ratfucking it is going to be subjected to this year.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 1:08:41pm

re: #83 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Wait. What??

en.wikipedia.org

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JC1  May 29, 2024 • 1:12:02pm

re: #83 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Wait. What??

She was horrible. Read Hitchen’s Missionary Position for a complete treatment of the topic. The Cliff’s notes version:

In response to all the criticism, Mother Teresa allegedly said, “There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering.”

allthatsinteresting.com

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JC1  May 29, 2024 • 1:13:00pm

re: #87 No Malarkey!

Longest jury deliberation is four and a half months. The deliberations can continue as long as the judge thinks the impasse may be broken.

Let’s break the record, lol.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 1:13:33pm

@atrupar.bsky.social

Alina Habba, speaking on Fox News outside Trump’s criminal hush money/election interference trial, claims America was on an “upward trajectory of morals” under President Trump. Even a Fox News host calls her out for the absurdity of this comment.

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Orange Impostor  May 29, 2024 • 1:14:33pm

re: #84 No Malarkey!

The jury is being excused for the day. The judge will reread the instructions to them tomorrow.

This is one of the few instances where I think sequestering the jury should be required. The risk of shenanigans by one of the cultists is just too high here.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 1:15:43pm

@joshuajfriedman.com

NO VERDICT TODAY: Judge Merchan sends the jury home, since the court is working on compiling the testimony the jury asked for, which he says will take 30 min to read back. Tomorrow deliberations will restart at 9:30 a.m. with the readback of the transcript, plus the jury instructions.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 1:17:38pm

re: #83 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Wait. What??

Her religious delusions led her to believe that suffering brings people closer to her god, leading to some deplorable behavior.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 1:19:30pm

re: #93 Orange Impostor

This is one of the few instances where I think sequestering the jury should be required. The risk of shenanigans by one of the cultists is just too high here.

Fortunately they don’t know who the jurors are.

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Amory Blaine  May 29, 2024 • 1:20:43pm

Cool. I got to use the downdinger today.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 1:21:16pm

re: #96 No Malarkey!

Fortunately they don’t know who the jurors are.

We hope.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 1:22:40pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

Cool. I got to use the downdinger today.

We have bottom comments! The category languishes emptily so many days.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2024 • 1:24:37pm

Let me guess: The verdict will drop on Friday and Trump will melt the fuck down all weekend.

101
TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 1:25:09pm

re: #92 jaunte

@atrupar.bsky.social

Alina Habba, speaking on Fox News outside Trump’s criminal hush money/election interference trial, claims America was on an “upward trajectory of morals” under President Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  May 29, 2024 • 1:25:28pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: The verdict will drop on Friday and Trump will melt the fuck down all weekend.

LOL his meltdown will be legendary if he’s found guilty.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:26:16pm

re: #89 TedStriker

en.wikipedia.org

Not to be argumentative but all that strikes me as “everybody’s a critic”.

I have no use for religion. If you want to baptize me on my deathbed, enjoy. You want to call me a Mormon after I’m dead, have at it. Neither will make any difference in my life or death.

The only thing I’d ding her for is not giving patients pain meds, assuming that’s true.

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Captain Ron  May 29, 2024 • 1:29:51pm

YouTube

105
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:32:03pm

re: #90 JC1

She was horrible. Read Hitchen’s Missionary Position for a complete treatment of the topic. The Cliff’s notes version:

In response to all the criticism, Mother Teresa allegedly said, “There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering.”

allthatsinteresting.com

According to the Wiki article, what Hitchens said about her was never corroborated. And I don’t think he was a fan of the religious to start with.

I don’t know one way or another if she was bad or not. I’d rather live in my mind bubble where she was a good person. I’d hate it if everyone sucked.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:33:43pm

re: #95 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

Her religious delusions led her to believe that suffering brings people closer to her god, leading to some deplorable behavior.

I just can’t even! 😢

LALALALALALALA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 29, 2024 • 1:35:06pm

“The poor will be with us always”

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 1:35:16pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

One of the truly disturbing things about Trump is the weird anti-truth field that seems to surround him, letting him say things that are plainly false, often in ways that are incredibly obvious to any human being, and never face any consequences for it. His right wing audience is compelled to act as if he’s the only source of factual reality.

This is scary shit.

To my mind, this is just the natural evolution of the Republican reality distortion field. Once Trump is gone, Republicans will find other sources for their “truths”.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 1:36:06pm

re: #105 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

According to the Wiki article, what Hitchens said about her was never corroborated. And I don’t think he was a fan of the religious to start with.

I don’t know one way or another if she was bad or not. I’d rather live in my mind bubble where she was a good person. I’d hate it if everyone sucked.

There’s someone over on Fark blaming hatred of the Catholic church. I pointed out that it’s sensible to hate a group that sells a hoax and molests kids. The people that don’t hate the church have something to answer for, rather than the other way around.

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JC1  May 29, 2024 • 1:37:12pm

re: #105 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

According to the Wiki article, what Hitchens said about her was never corroborated. And I don’t think he was a fan of the religious to start with.

I don’t know one way or another if she was bad or not. I’d rather live in my mind bubble where she was a good person. I’d hate it if everyone sucked.

The Vatican asked him to be the Devil’s Advocate for her canonization.

archive.vanityfair.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 29, 2024 • 1:37:46pm

re: #109 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

There’s someone over on Fark blaming hatred of the Catholic church. I pointed out that it’s sensible to hate a group that sells a hoax and molests kids. The people that don’t hate the church have something to answer for, rather than the other way around.

They don’t just physically sexually molest kids, they mess up their minds and their self-consciousness and their own relationship to their bodies and sexuality because they are so fucked up to start with.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:38:28pm

re: #109 🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈

There’s someone over on Fark blaming hatred of the Catholic church. I pointed out that it’s sensible to hate a group that sells a hoax and molests kids. The people that don’t hate the church have something to answer for, rather than the other way around.

Hating the church is logical. Hating every Catholic is not.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:39:31pm

re: #110 JC1

The Vatican asked him to be the Devil’s Advocate for her canonization.

That’s…weird, no? I find that weird. It’s weird, right??

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2024 • 1:40:53pm

Just got back from two days of business meetings.

Wheels side down. Fruita, CO 28 May 2024.

— Charlie Vogel, aka His Teleness The Charlie Lama (@teleskiguy.bsky.social) 2024-05-29T20:40:22.823Z

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 1:40:58pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

To my mind, this is just the natural evolution of the Republican reality distortion field. Once Trump is gone, Republicans will find other sources for their “truths”.

They have to. They can’t offer their voters anything that would cost money, because all money has to go to tax cuts for their billionaire donors. So the GOP has to offer them culture war bullshit to keep them angry and afraid.

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 1:41:22pm

re: #105 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

According to the Wiki article, what Hitchens said about her was never corroborated. And I don’t think he was a fan of the religious to start with.

I don’t know one way or another if she was bad or not. I’d rather live in my mind bubble where she was a good person. I’d hate it if everyone sucked.

This from Hitchens is pretty damning:

[Mother Teresa] was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 1:41:22pm

re: #103 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not to be argumentative but all that strikes me as “everybody’s a critic”.

I have no use for religion. If you want to baptize me on my deathbed, enjoy. You want to call me a Mormon after I’m dead, have at it. Neither will make any difference in my life or death.

The only thing I’d ding her for is not giving patients pain meds, assuming that’s true.

And, to be sure, some of those criticisms are from a more “modern” Western POV (well, “modern” as in from at least the 90s onward) against someone who’d been working within the constraints and culture of Indian society for decades. However, she did and said some shit that was wrong (or, at the very least, pretty damned sus) when she did it and is still wrong now:

Mother Teresa’s Albanian homeland gave her the Golden Honour of the Nation in 1994,[20] but her acceptance of this and the Haitian Legion of Honour was controversial. Mother Teresa was criticised for implicitly supporting the Duvaliers and corrupt businessmen such as Charles Keating and Robert Maxwell; she wrote to the judge of Keating’s trial requesting clemency.[20][21]

[…]

In Hell’s Angel and The Missionary Position, Hitchens leveled criticism at what he perceived to be Mother Teresa’s endorsement of Albanian President Enver Hoxha, who in 1967, forcibly closed all religious facilities, including her own faith’s Roman Catholic ones and also outlawed private worship. She visited Albania in August 1989, where she was received by Hoxha’s widow, Nexhmije, Foreign Minister Reis Malile, Minister of Health Ahmet Kamberi, the Chairman of the People’s Assembly Petro Dode, and other state and party officials, subsequently laying a bouquet on Hoxha’s grave, and placed a wreath on the statue of Mother Albania.[39][undue weight? - discuss]

[…]

After the Jesuit priest Donald McGuire was convicted of sexually molesting multiple children, Mother Teresa was criticized for defending him and urging that he be reinstated to the ministry after he was initially removed.[58][59]

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 1:43:42pm

re: #112 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Hating the church is logical. Hating every Catholic is not.

Hitchens didn’t hate every Catholic. They’re all misguided, like any religious person, and they are members of a group that molests kids, but they’re not all molesting kids themselves.

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JC1  May 29, 2024 • 1:44:15pm

re: #113 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That’s…weird, no? I find that weird. It’s weird, right??

I was raised Catholic. I was an altar boy for a few years (nothing bad happened, and I didn’t hear of anything bad happening to anyone else I knew). The whole religion is objectively weird. One of my favorite takes on Catholicism is South Park’s great queen spider episode. Brilliant.

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Egregious Philbin  May 29, 2024 • 1:47:03pm

re: #119 JC1

Same here, K-12. Lots of creepy priests, thankfully nothing happened to me, but it did to others I know. I gave up the religion once for Lent, and it stuck.

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BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 1:48:15pm

Stormy should get a purple heart for bumping uglies with Jabba the Spanks.

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 1:48:39pm

re: #119 JC1

I was raised Catholic. I was an altar boy for a few years (nothing bad happened, and I didn’t hear of anything bad happening to anyone else I knew). The whole religion is objectively weird. One of my favorite takes on Catholicism is South Park’s great queen spider episode. Brilliant.

Scientology can reasonably be regarded as L Ron Hubbard’s experiment to see just how credulous people can be, and profiting from the results. E.g., just look at this crazy shit, which Scientologists pay up to $100,000 to officially hear from their church.

en.wikipedia.org

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 1:49:03pm

re: #121 BigPapa

Stormy should get a purple heart for bumping uglies with Jabba the Spanks.

GROSS!!!!! 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 1:49:05pm

Altar Boy

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 1:51:24pm

re: #119 JC1

I was raised Catholic. I was an altar boy for a few years (nothing bad happened, and I didn’t hear of anything bad happening to anyone else I knew). The whole religion is objectively weird. One of my favorite takes on Catholicism is South Park’s great queen spider episode. Brilliant.

‘Objectively weird’ is too nice. I was also raised Catholic. Yesterday I learned that Catholics invented utilized the caesarean section. At first, of course, the mother was not expected to live, but the baby was given a chance. They didn’t use it if the mother had a chance. Unless…

They wanted to baptize the baby before it died. When in doubt, the mother had to go first.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 29, 2024 • 1:51:55pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

Scientology can reasonably be regarded as L Ron Hubbard’s experiment to see just how credulous people can be, and profiting from the results. E.g., just look at this crazy shit, which Scientologists pay up to $100,000 to officially hear from their church.

He saw what the the Elders of the Church of Latter-Day Saints accomplished and set out to top that.

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BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 1:52:08pm

re: #123 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

GROSS!!!!! 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

(points at Charles)

He started it!

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2024 • 1:55:18pm

Everything is always my fault.

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BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 1:55:19pm

Let this thread simmer on that last thought.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 1:56:57pm

re: #129 BigPapa

Let this thread simmer on that last thought.

The one that’s one second before yours?

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 1:57:04pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Everything is always my fault.

Only the stuff that happens here. It’s all caused by you running a website.

132
BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 1:57:07pm

She may have PTSD: Penile Trump Stress Disorder.

I hope she gets the help she needs.

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silverdolphin  May 29, 2024 • 1:59:13pm

So I read up more about the research that bonoboes are 3 times more aggressive than chimps. It is somewhat misleading.

They defined aggression in a very loose way - chasing each other, wrestling, etc. were all aggression. Bonoboes do a lot of this, looking more like siblings rough-housing. (Somehow people think bonoboes act like a bunch of stoned hippies but they are quite physical)

Chimps do not really do much of this. Sometimes, gangs of males beat a weaker chimp to death. They will bully and rape the femalse. This sort of extreme violence was never seen with bonoboes.

So if you define aggression in a certain way, bonoboes are more aggressive. But I’d rather live in ther group than a chimp’s.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 1:59:44pm

Maniacs are using religion to fool morons into dying in their evil war.

Panicked Russia Is Now Telling Reluctant Soldiers They Will Be Resurrected

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s ill-fated decision to invade Ukraine is so unconscionable that his propagandists—including Russian Orthodox church that is tightly controlled by the government—are having to resort to increasingly outlandish methods to recruit more volunteers and comfort brokenhearted families of soldiers who perished in Ukraine.

From the beginning, Putin’s loyal mouthpieces like state TV host Vladimir Solovyov asserted that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a “holy war,” predicting it would lead to a “global jihad” against the West. Deputy of the State Duma Vyacheslav Nikonov claimed that Russia is “the embodiment of the forces of good” and stated, “This is truly a holy war we’re waging and we must win.” Major General Apti Alaudinov, the commander of Chechen forces, who is himself a Muslim, claimed that Russia’s war against Ukraine will lead to the second coming of Christ, describing Moscow’s troops as “the forerunners of Jesus forces.”

thedailybeast.com

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BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 2:03:37pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

The one that’s one second before yours?

I’ll never talk!

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danarchy  May 29, 2024 • 2:04:57pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

‘Objectively weird’ is too nice. I was also raised Catholic. Yesterday I learned that Catholics invented the caesarean section. At first, of course, the mother was not expected to live, but the baby was given a chance. They didn’t use it if the mother had a chance. Unless…

They wanted to baptize the baby before it died. When in doubt, the mother had to go first.

Invented?

According to this there are mentions of the procedure going way back before the Catholic church existed. Not by that name, but the idea of cutting a child out of a dead or dying woman seems to be an idea that wouldn’t take the church to invent.

nlm.nih.gov

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Florida Panhandler  May 29, 2024 • 2:05:19pm

Texas going to Execute pregnant women and abortion providers.

Because I think we all knew it was going there, because…Texas.

yahoo.com

Remember, it’s all about ‘sanctity of Life.”

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2024 • 2:08:05pm

re: #136 danarchy

Invented?

According to this there are mentions of the procedure going way back before the Catholic church existed. Not by that name, but the idea of cutting a child out of a dead or dying woman seems to be an idea that wouldn’t take the church to invent.

nlm.nih.gov

Strike ‘invented’. Put in ‘utilized’.

Oh, wait. I can do that. Done.

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Romantic Heretic  May 29, 2024 • 2:19:04pm

re: #92 jaunte

Ms. Habba? You’re holding the chart upside down.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 2:23:13pm

re: #103 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not to be argumentative but all that strikes me as “everybody’s a critic”.

I have no use for religion. If you want to baptize me on my deathbed, enjoy. You want to call me a Mormon after I’m dead, have at it. Neither will make any difference in my life or death.

The only thing I’d ding her for is not giving patients pain meds, assuming that’s true.

It’s true. She also took money from dictators such as Haiti’s, who looted it from tax coffers to curry favour with the Catholic Church.

Her houses for those dying of AIDS and TB were noted for their deplorable conditions. In her own words, she singled out abortion as the “greatest destroyer of peace today.” After being given the Nobel Peace Prize, she came under sustained attack for opposition to contraception, noting that would do a lot more for poverty in India than the Catholic Church’s official position.

For her decades of Catholic cruelty, Pope Francis canonised her.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 2:25:05pm

Weather radio went off a few minutes ago. Here comes the severe thunderstorms.

windy.com

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 29, 2024 • 2:26:50pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Philly is going to get some heavy weather soon.
weather.gov

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 2:27:05pm

Dumbass insults Joy Reid and she delivers the ass from Real AmeriKKKa’s Voice a potent dose of TONGUE-FU®

alternet.org

“Joy, just wondering, do you think people with Trump Derangement Syndrome know they have it?” Real America’s Voice reporter Ben Bergquam asked Reid in a brief street interview.

“You’re an idiot,” Reid replied.

“And second question, did you steal Trump’s haircut, or did he steal yours?” Bergquam trolled.

“You’re a f—king idiot,” Reid said as she walked away.

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No Malarkey!  May 29, 2024 • 2:27:44pm

re: #133 silverdolphin

So I read up more about the research that bonoboes are 3 times more aggressive than chimps. It is somewhat misleading.

They defined aggression in a very loose way - chasing each other, wrestling, etc. were all aggression. Bonoboes do a lot of this, looking more like siblings rough-housing. (Somehow people think bonoboes act like a bunch of stoned hippies but they are quite physical)

Chimps do not really do much of this. Sometimes, gangs of males beat a weaker chimp to death. They will bully and rape the femalse. This sort of extreme violence was never seen with bonoboes.

So if you define aggression in a certain way, bonoboes are more aggressive. But I’d rather live in ther group than a chimp’s.

That is why I say we are very smart chimpanzees, but we need to learn to be very smart bonobos instead.

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 2:30:44pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

re: #142 PhillyPretzel ✅

We’re getting some storms on Sunday. I mowed the yard this afternoon because rain is supposed to come tomorrow night, which means technically, it could rain any time tomorrow (or even tonight).

I will also note that I failed to deliver a jury verdict today, but the jury did get excused while I was gone, so there’s that, I guess.

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silverdolphin  May 29, 2024 • 2:39:21pm

re: #144 No Malarkey!

That is why I say we are very smart chimpanzees, but we need to learn to be very smart bonobos instead.

And we can. While a little simplistic, data suggests that chimps react to competition by increasing testosterone levels (ie fight). Bonobos react by increasing testosterone and, more importantly, cortisol (ie flight). The former is zero-sum - someone wins, someone loses. The latter is win-win - both survive.

Human communities in contrast to either other ape, have a mix. Some people react like chimps. Some react like bonobos. This allows us the greatest ability to produce the best adaptive response.

Right now we are seeing battles between the human “chimps” who want to aggressively fight in order to maintain individual hierachical power, and human “bonobos” who want to find distributed solutions that help the group. This has happened several times over the last 400 years. In each case, those that seek more distributed group solutions have won.

I expect they will again.

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Dave In Austin  May 29, 2024 • 2:40:30pm

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 2:42:36pm

re: #143 Joe Bacon ✅

do you think people with Trump Derangement Syndrome know they have it?

No. They actually believe that a failed President who attempted a coup when patriotic Americans defeated him is some kind of hero. They have no idea they’re in a cult.

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darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 2:45:17pm

Alito doesn’t care. Loyal dog that he is.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 29, 2024 • 2:50:31pm

To keep Ukraine’s artillery crews supplied, the Pentagon set a production target last year of 100,000 shells per month by the end of 2025.

A plant still under construction in Mesquite, Texas, will soon turn out 30,000 artillery shells each month, roughly doubling current U.S. output.

[…]

To keep Ukraine’s artillery crews supplied, the Pentagon set a production target last year of 100,000 shells per month by the end of 2025. Factories in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, Pa., together make about 36,000 shells per month. The new General Dynamics facility in Mesquite, Texas, will make 30,000 each month once it reaches its full capacity.

(No Paywall)

nytimes.com

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ericblair  May 29, 2024 • 2:51:04pm

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

For her decades of Catholic cruelty, Pope Francis canonised her.

George Orwell had something to say about saints:

The essence of being human is that one does not seek perfection, that one is sometimes willing to commit sins for the sake of loyalty, that one does not push asceticism to the point where it makes friendly intercourse impossible, and that one is prepared in the end to be defeated and broken up by life, which is the inevitable price of fastening one’s love upon other human individuals.

No double alcohol, tobacco, and so forth, are things that a saint must avoid, but sainthood is also a thing that human beings must avoid. There is an obvious retort to this, but one should be wary about making it. In this yogi-ridden age, it is too readily assumed that “non-attachment” is not only better than a full acceptance of earthly life, but that the ordinary man only rejects it because it is too difficult: in other words, that the average human being is a failed saint. It is doubtful whether this is true. Many people genuinely do not wish to be saints, and it is probable that some who achieve or aspire to sainthood have never felt much temptation to be human beings.

If one could follow it to its psychological roots, one would, I believe, find that the main motive for “non-attachment” is a desire to escape from the pain of living, and above all from love, which, sexual or non-sexual, is hard work. But it is not necessary here to argue whether the otherworldly or the humanistic ideal is “higher.” The point is that they are incompatible. One must choose between God and Man, and all “radicals” and “progressives,” from the mildest Liberal to the most extreme Anarchist, have in effect chosen Man.

-Reflections on Gandhi

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 2:53:11pm

Wide area severe thunderstorm warning just went up.

Large hail to golf ball size. People and animals outside will be injured.

windy.com

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 2:58:53pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

OWTCH!

Meanwhile it’s STILL cool here in Los Angeles. Only 72. Looks like it will finally start to heat up next week. Next Wednesday will get to 79.

154
Markm1960  May 29, 2024 • 3:00:11pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: The verdict will drop on Friday and Trump will melt the fuck down all weekend.

He’s going to melt down all weekend regardless. There’s always something triggering him.

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calochortus  May 29, 2024 • 3:00:48pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wide area severe thunderstorm warning just went up.

Large hail to golf ball size. People and animals outside will be injured.

windy.com

It feels wrong to upding that. As though I was updinging the prospect of people and animals being injured.

156
Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2024 • 3:01:51pm

A real photo of President Biden with Black people.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:02:11pm

re: #155 calochortus

It feels wrong to upding that. As though I was updinging the prospect of people and animals being injured.

Your heart is in the right place.

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Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 3:02:38pm

re: #115 No Malarkey!

They have to. They can’t offer their voters anything that would cost money, because all money has to go to tax cuts for their billionaire donors. So the GOP has to offer them culture war bullshit to keep them angry and afraid.

gonna make this kinda tough to promote

Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS), the top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, is pushing an aggressive plan to build up the Pentagon budget, a blueprint he says is the “generational investment” needed to keep pace with worldwide threats, Politico reports.

but of course no money for SS, Medicare, health care, child care, school lunches, etc.

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 3:03:02pm

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

A real photo of President Biden with Black people.

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President Biden’s casual look, with the blue shirt and no tie, is so fitting on him.

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calochortus  May 29, 2024 • 3:03:15pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Your heart is in the right place.

I figure everyone knows what an upding there means, but it still just feels wrong.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:03:34pm

re: #155 calochortus

Think of it as a “heads up” warning.

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🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈  May 29, 2024 • 3:03:54pm

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

A real photo of President Biden with Black people.

[Embedded content]

Reminds me of the photo of Trump with a bunch of grifting preachers touching him.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:04:52pm

As a New York jury weighs convicting former President Donald Trump in his New York criminal case, Newsmax host Todd Starnes encouraged the Republican nominee to flee the state.

Trump faces 34 criminal charges for allegedly falsifying business documents regarding hush money payments during the 2016 election season. District Attorney Alvin Bragg is accusing Trump of funneling money to adult film actress Stormy Daniels via his ex-attorney Michael Cohen.

Starnes, a public supporter of Trump, took to X, formerly Twitter, to encourage the former president to flee the state of New York and seek sanctuary in Florida at his Mar-a-Lago estate.

I’m surprised Starnes isn’t telling Trump to run into the Russian Embassy.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:05:42pm

re: #160 calochortus

I figure everyone knows what an upding there means, but it still just feels wrong.

I get some guff sometimes for calling them upfists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2024 • 3:06:45pm

re: #158 Dangerman

“an aggressive plan to build up the Pentagon budget.”

Don’t we already spend a metric fuckton on national defense?

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Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 3:06:53pm
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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 3:07:40pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

“an aggressive plan to build up the Pentagon budget.”

Don’t we already spend a metric fuckton on national defense?

It makes me wonder just which particular pet project the Pentagon canceled that he wants to bring back.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:07:54pm

I just heard my first distant thunder from this storm. It’s about twenty miles away.

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Semper Fi  May 29, 2024 • 3:08:01pm

re: #150 BeenHereAwhile

To keep Ukraine’s artillery crews supplied, the Pentagon set a production target last year of 100,000 shells per month by the end of 2025.

A plant still under construction in Mesquite, Texas, will soon turn out 30,000 artillery shells each month, roughly doubling current U.S. output.

[…]

To keep Ukraine’s artillery crews supplied, the Pentagon set a production target last year of 100,000 shells per month by the end of 2025. Factories in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, Pa., together make about 36,000 shells per month. The new General Dynamics facility in Mesquite, Texas, will make 30,000 each month once it reaches its full capacity.

(No Paywall)

nytimes.com

I hope there is good security at those plants. I think Russia may get desperate if not already so. Especially if Biden comes out as “winner.”

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darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 3:08:44pm

re: #163 Joe Bacon ✅

I’m okay with that. Add being a fugitive to his description.

171
Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 3:08:44pm

re: #153 Joe Bacon ✅

OWTCH!

Meanwhile it’s STILL cool here in Los Angeles. Only 72. Looks like it will finally start to heat up next week. Next Wednesday will get to 79.

my car at 3pm
some of that was residual heat
some
it was about 103

172
Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 3:09:25pm

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

A real photo of President Biden with Black people.

[Embedded content]

Said Biden: “What would’ve happened if Black Americans had stormed the Capitol? I don’t think he’d be talking about pardons. This is the same guy who wanted to tear gas you as you peacefully protested George Floyd’s murder. It’s the same guy who still calls the ‘Central Park Five’ guilty, even though they were exonerated. He’s that landlord who denies housing applications because of the color of your skin. He’s that guy who won’t say Black lives matter and invokes neo-Nazi, Third Reich terms.”

He added: “We all remember, Trump is the same guy who unleashed the birtherism lie against Barack.”

173
Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 3:10:49pm

re: #163 Joe Bacon ✅

…
Starnes, a public supporter of Trump, took to X, formerly Twitter, to encourage the former president to flee the state of New York and seek sanctuary in Florida at his Mar-a-Lago estate.

[Embedded content]

fleeing is what innocent people do

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 3:11:55pm

re: #154 Markm1960

He’s going to melt down all weekend regardless. There’s always something triggering him.

STROKE STROKE STROKE STROKE STROKE!

175
Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:14:03pm

re: #174 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Billy Squier - The Stroke

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Decatur Deb  May 29, 2024 • 3:14:56pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

“an aggressive plan to build up the Pentagon budget.”

Don’t we already spend a metric fuckton on national defense?

Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan put a tremendous strain on the DoD. A smart 155mm round can cost $150,000. A Ford-class carrier is 13 Billion, empty.

War ain’t cheap.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 3:15:56pm

re: #166 Dangerman

Anyone know which dumbass asked that question?

178
Hecuba's daughter  May 29, 2024 • 3:16:02pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Possibly a good sign for a conviction; they’re asking about the specific bits that show Trump’s guilt.

I’m waiting till they actually convict to have any optimism here. Only one devout MAGAt juror is needed to stymie the process and prevent justice.

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Dangerman  May 29, 2024 • 3:16:22pm

the jury, after the first hour:

so we’re all in agreement?
waiting is the hardest part.
ok let’s let him squirm for at least a day or so

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:20:45pm

…A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 430 PM MDT
FOR SOUTHEASTERN SCOTTS BLUFF…NORTHWESTERN CHEYENNE…NORTHEASTERN
KIMBALL…MORRILL AND EASTERN BANNER COUNTIES…

At 409 PM MDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from 9 miles north of Angora to 6 miles northwest of Dix,
moving east at 20 mph.

HAZARD…Golf ball size hail and 60 mph wind gusts.

SOURCE…Radar indicated.

IMPACT…People and animals outdoors will be injured. Expect hail
damage to roofs, siding, windows, and vehicles. Expect wind
damage to roofs, siding, and trees.

Locations impacted include…
Bridgeport, Bayard, Dalton, Gurley, McGrew, Northport, Bridgeport
State Recreation Area, Angora, Morrill County Fairgrounds, Chimney
Rock National Historic Site, Courthouse And Jail Rock, Redington,
Wrights Gap, The Intersection Of Highway 385 And 92, Moomaw Corner,
The Intersection Of Highway 385 And L62, and South Bayard Junction.

forecast.weather.gov

181
Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:23:18pm

I just realized that a month from today Sat 6/29…I’ve turned in my gear on Fri 6/28 and that’s it. I’m finished with working for the agency…

182
Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:25:46pm

Wow this is some Pulitzer-worthy reporting!

183
jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 3:26:49pm

re: #166 Dangerman

Who was the troll?

184
PhillyPretzel ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:29:50pm

re: #183 jaunte

Shropshire Slasher

185
Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2024 • 3:31:24pm

re: #184 PhillyPretzel ✅

Shropshire Slasher

He was talking about the reporter trolling Biden, I think.

186
William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:38:29pm

Four photos today. I’ve processed all four as both color and black and white. Let me know your preferences please. I’ll post each separately.

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William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:38:41pm

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William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:38:53pm

189
William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:39:06pm

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William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:39:17pm

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William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:39:30pm

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:39:48pm

re: #189 William Lewis

I like the color ones.

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William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:39:50pm

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sagehen  May 29, 2024 • 3:40:41pm

re: #136 danarchy

Invented?

According to this there are mentions of the procedure going way back before the Catholic church existed. Not by that name, but the idea of cutting a child out of a dead or dying woman seems to be an idea that wouldn’t take the church to invent.

nlm.nih.gov

The reason it’s called a Caesarean is because that’s supposedly how Julius Caesar was born.

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William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:40:42pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 3:42:43pm

re: #192 PhillyPretzel ✅

I like the color ones.

The top one is really good in B&W.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:43:03pm

Flood warning just went up for dry creeks and irrigation canals (including the canal less than a block from my house). Rainfall in the thunderstorms exceeds 2.5”.

198
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:45:38pm

I just brought in all our potted flowers and maple trees.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:46:24pm

re: #187 William Lewis

I like the black-and-white one better.

200
Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 3:48:39pm

re: #189 William Lewis

This one is clearly better as a b&w (IMO).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 3:49:01pm

re: #136 danarchy

Invented?

According to this there are mentions of the procedure going way back before the Catholic church existed. Not by that name, but the idea of cutting a child out of a dead or dying woman seems to be an idea that wouldn’t take the church to invent.

nlm.nih.gov

It’s kind of in the name “Caesarian” that it came before the Church.

202
William Lewis  May 29, 2024 • 3:52:52pm

Sometimes I’m sure, sometimes I wonder. It’s nice to ask others :)

Thanks all.

203
GlutenFreeJesus  May 29, 2024 • 3:54:28pm

A judge Merchan donated a whole $15 to Biden and Trump is throwing a fit about that. 😂😂😂

204
Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 3:55:37pm

re: #203 GlutenFreeJesus

A judge Merchan donated a whole $15 to Biden and Trump is throwing a fit about that. 😂😂😂

But one billion from the oil guys is just fine.

205
Semper Fi  May 29, 2024 • 3:56:47pm

re: #202 William Lewis

Sometimes I’m sure, sometimes I wonder. It’s nice to ask others :)

Thanks all.

I up-dinged my favorites.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 29, 2024 • 3:57:03pm

re: #203 GlutenFreeJesus

re: #204 Ace Rothstein

Of course it is for DT. //

207
jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 3:59:31pm

re: #203 GlutenFreeJesus

His disorder can never be satisfied.

208
BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 4:01:52pm

My Wife did dat sheet

209
Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 4:08:18pm

re: #208 BigPapa

Big Pimp Sammy

210
BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 4:09:33pm

re: #209 Ace Rothstein

Big Pimp Sammy

Mah Jimmies! LOL

211
darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 4:11:28pm

Anyone else find it interesting the first thing the jury asked to see again was Pecker?

212
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 4:14:57pm

re: #211 darthstar

Anyone else find it interesting the first thing the jury asked to see again was Pecker?

Really. Usually you don’t ask for that.

213
Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 4:18:02pm

re: #208 BigPapa

Just put 666 on Cardinal Sammy’s head.

214
BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 4:18:47pm

re: #212 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Really. Usually you don’t ask for that.

I’d usually get a meal first.

215
darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 4:22:56pm

Trump campaign putting together a complaint strategy if/when he’s convicted…be ready for ‘rigged’ and ‘Biden witch hunt’ complaints from everyone in the GOP.

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retired cynic  May 29, 2024 • 4:24:20pm

...

217
darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 4:26:00pm

He’s going to wear himself out and sleep through the reading of the verdict…

Mastodon

218
darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 4:26:39pm

+1 to Salon for finding such a great pic of Trump.

219
Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 4:27:02pm

re: #218 darthstar

+1 to Salon for finding such a great pic of Trump.

He looks like a midget.

220
retired cynic  May 29, 2024 • 4:27:33pm

Josh Gibson will dominate MLB’s record book as Negro Leagues stats are added
Starting Wednesday, the Homestead Grays star will stand atop MLB’s career leader boards in batting average and slugging percentage.
wapo.st (gift link)

Finally!

221
BigPapa  May 29, 2024 • 4:28:22pm

re: #220 retired cynic

Josh Gibson will dominate MLB’s record book as Negro Leagues stats are added
Starting Wednesday, the Homestead Grays star will stand atop MLB’s career leader boards in batting average and slugging percentage.
wapo.st (gift link)

Finally!

The Saltines are going to be in high dudgeon!

222
retired cynic  May 29, 2024 • 4:29:02pm

x.com

223
jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 4:29:52pm

re: #217 darthstar

He’s having to get up and out too early to apply the stadium bronzer.

224
darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 4:32:08pm

re: #223 jaunte

He’s having to get up and out too early to apply the stadium bronzer.

He’s been reducing the bronzer so he doesn’t look like a colored person by comparison when he debates President Biden on stage as he knows that will alienate his base.

225
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 4:32:08pm

re: #217 darthstar

He’s going to wear himself out and sleep through the reading of the verdict…

[Embedded content]

My heart is filled to the brim with joy.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 4:33:38pm

re: #220 retired cynic

I never knew the Negro Leagues even existed until I saw the Ken Burns’ baseball documentary in the early 90s.

227
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 29, 2024 • 4:34:44pm

re: #222 retired cynic

I LOVE THAT SO MUCH!!!!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

Momma and Papa Kahu. That’s us.

228
retired cynic  May 29, 2024 • 4:36:45pm

re: #227 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That one hit me in my feels.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 4:38:05pm

I highly recommend that Burns baseball doc. The episode on the Negro Leagues “Shadowball” is fantastic and very educational. Those players were badasses.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2024 • 4:43:15pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2024 • 4:44:07pm

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Belafon  May 29, 2024 • 4:44:44pm

John Stossel is trying to write an article about California’s fast food minimum wage increase, but I couldn’t get past “gullible leftists.”

finance.yahoo.com

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2024 • 4:45:11pm

234
Belafon  May 29, 2024 • 4:51:47pm
Houston Democratic incumbent Shawn Thierry was trounced in a primary runoff election on Tuesday. Thierry was one of only a handful of Democrats across the country who broke ranks with her party and voted for a ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth, delivering a lengthy and misinformation-filled speech in doing so. After her anti-trans vote, queer union organizer Lauren Ashley Simmons stepped forward to unseat her, earning dozens of influential endorsements from party leaders and organizations. On Tuesday night, Simmons left no doubt about her victory: she resoundingly won 65%-35%.

On May 12, Representative Thierry voted to pass a gender-affirming care ban for transgender youth, an exceedingly rare vote for a Democrat. In doing so, she spoke on the House floor, calling transgender girls “biological males” and arguing that conversion therapy was the true solution to gender dysphoria. She also voted against every amendment intended to mitigate the harm the bill would cause transgender youth in the state. This led to a vote to censure Thierry by the Meyerland Area Democrats, who reported feeling betrayed by her earlier assurances that she was an ally to the LGBTQ+ community.

erininthemorning.com

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silverdolphin  May 29, 2024 • 4:52:50pm

Watched the Harris and Biden speeches in Philadelphia. He just loves this stuff. After finishing his speech, he walked around the stage a bit with Kamala, then returned to the mikes, waited for them to turn them back on and said:

“Every time I would walk out of my grandfather’s house up in Scranton he would yell ‘Joey, keep the faith.’ And my grandmother would go, ‘No, Joey, spread it.’ Go spread the faith.”

The mostly Black and young audience (it was at a predominantly Black school) went nuts. Obama could not have done better.

(Plus I loved Kamala saying “We beat Donald Trump once and we gonna beat him again.” Yep she said ‘we gonna’ in her best accent)

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 4:53:58pm

re: #235 silverdolphin

There’s a man who walks the walk, right there.

237
Unabogie  May 29, 2024 • 4:58:03pm

re: #235 silverdolphin

Watched the Harris and Biden speeches in Philadelphia. He just loves this stuff. After finishing his speech, he walked around the stage a bit with Kamala, then returned to the mikes, waited for them to turn them back on and said:

The mostly Black and young audience (it was at a predominantly Black school) went nuts. Obama could not have done better.

(Plus I loved Kamala saying “We beat Donald Trump once and we gonna beat him again.” Yep she said ‘we gonna’ in her best accent)

Had a dispiriting talk with a lefty friend who was convinced Joe Biden has advanced dementia and he’s just a puppet, while also expressing frustration at Biden’s handling of Gaza, because Biden could “get a ceasefire if he wanted to.”

I told him three things:
1. Biden doesn’t control aid to Israel. Holding up aid appropriated by congress is why Trump got impeached.
2. Go watch Biden on Howard Stern. He’s not senile.
3. You can’t say he’s senile and also responsible for what happens in Israel.

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EstebanTornado1963  May 29, 2024 • 4:58:39pm

re: #232 Belafon

John Stossel is trying to write an article about California’s fast food minimum wage increase, but I couldn’t get past “gullible leftists.”

finance.yahoo.com

When you say this you identify yourself as an ignorant asshole
“But wait, if it’s win-win, why just make the minimum $20? Why not $30? Or $100?”

239
darthstar  May 29, 2024 • 4:59:46pm

240
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 4:59:52pm

re: #232 Belafon

John Stossel is trying to write an article about California’s fast food minimum wage increase, but I couldn’t get past “gullible leftists.”

finance.yahoo.com

Don’t read the Dumpster fire of comments. BIIIIDENNNN! SOOOOROOOOS!

241
Belafon  May 29, 2024 • 5:01:38pm

re: #238 EstebanTornado1963

When you say this you identify yourself as an ignorant asshole
“But wait, if it’s win-win, why just make the minimum $20? Why not $30? Or $100?”

And he was someone else I liked on 20/20 a long time ago.

242
TedStriker  May 29, 2024 • 5:02:45pm

re: #214 BigPapa

I’d usually get a meal first.

A meal, a little wine, a little dancing…

///

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silverdolphin  May 29, 2024 • 5:04:02pm

re: #237 Unabogie

Had a dispiriting talk with a lefty friend who was convinced Joe Biden has advanced dementia and he’s just a puppet, while also expressing frustration at Biden’s handling of Gaza, because Biden could “get a ceasefire if he wanted to.”

I told him three things:
1. Biden doesn’t control aid to Israel. Holding up aid appropriated by congress is why Trump got impeached.
2. Go watch Biden on Howard Stern. He’s not senile.
3. You can’t say he’s senile and also responsible for what happens in Israel.

And this is why progressive lefties never see much progress. They do not realize that a large part of the Democratic party does not always agree with them and that if they want things to get done, they need to convince those people, not Biden. (Hell, Biden has actually been helping move peple towards the progressive side so much so that J Street is asking for a cease-fire.)

They are the childishly authoritarian side of the Democrats, feeling that if they stamp their feet and hold their breath then things just get done.

AOC knows this is not how the system works and is why she and her cohort have helped get more progressive things passed than anyone else in my lifetime.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2024 • 5:05:04pm
245
EstebanTornado1963  May 29, 2024 • 5:08:03pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And I assume the commenters are middle aged or older because they all say “I flipped burgers for $4.85/hr. So if you assume they are talking in the ‘80’s, that’s like 18 bucks today. So what’s the difference?

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[deleted]  May 29, 2024 • 5:08:28pm
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Wile E. Wonka  May 29, 2024 • 5:09:40pm

re: #194 sagehen

The reason it’s called a Caesarean is because that’s supposedly how Julius Caesar was born.

Other way around, actually! According to Pliny the Elder, Caesar (whose given name means approximately “been cut”) was so named after an ancestor of his who was born by caesarean birth (i.e. “cut birth”). The name of the procedure actually predates the guy.

Later rumors have it that Caesar was named that because he himself was born that way, but since his mother lived to old age, it’s considered very doubtful.

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silverdolphin  May 29, 2024 • 5:09:48pm

re: #234 Belafon

erininthemorning.com

I was so glad to see this. The old one was getting money from the GOP, looking to ban books and called trans helthcare “Black genocide”.

There is a concerted effort to insert anti-trans views into the Democratic party. By whom, I don’t know but I bet it is financed by a conservatove billionaire.

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sagehen  May 29, 2024 • 5:10:44pm

re: #238 EstebanTornado1963

When you say this you identify yourself as an ignorant asshole
“But wait, if it’s win-win, why just make the minimum $20? Why not $30? Or $100?”

I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating.

Full-time minimum wage jobs should pay enough for a single parent with one child, or a couple with 3 children, to earn above the poverty line.

250
Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)  May 29, 2024 • 5:11:25pm

re: #75 danarchy

Just curious, what actually happens if a defendent says “no I don’t understand”?

The judge then explains the charges, and asks again.

If the defendant seems to be willfully playing games and being an asshole, well, here comes Mr. Contempt Of Court, and you get to sit in a cell eating “Loaf” for a few days whilst you contemplate your oppositional defiant disorder.

If the defendant truly can’t understand what’s going on, then it’s time for the 5150 competency hearing, and maybe a free van ride to the Ha-Ha Hotel, where you get great big horse pills shoved down your throat every day that turn you into a zombie, unable to really protest as the other loonies smear their shit on your face.

I would recommend against exploring this option in an assholish way in a court with a judge who is already simmering with rage at you.

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Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)  May 29, 2024 • 5:15:10pm

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They don’t just physically sexually molest kids, they mess up their minds and their self-consciousness and their own relationship to their bodies and sexuality because they are so fucked up to start with.

Can confirm.

Parish priest did 3 years in state prison for what he did to us.

I’m relatively OK. Most of the others are dead, substance addicts, or total trainwrecks, living in violent misery.

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jaunte  May 29, 2024 • 5:16:28pm

re: #234 Belafon

re: #248 silverdolphin

Trojan horse:

“…She has received the bulk of her campaign funding from a mix of GOP donors, PACs that advocate for charter schools and school vouchers, and the PAC affiliated with Las Vegas Sands, which is aiming to legalize casino gambling in Texas. Also among Thierry’s top donors is Adam Loewy, an Austin personal injury lawyer who mostly donates to Democrats.”

texastribune.org

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Belafon  May 29, 2024 • 5:29:03pm

re: #248 silverdolphin

I was so glad to see this. The old one was getting money from the GOP, looking to ban books and called trans helthcare “Black genocide”.

There is a concerted effort to insert anti-trans views into the Democratic party. By whom, I don’t know but I bet it is financed by a conservatove billionaire.

I think that may have also been a case of a Republican running as a Democrat in order to win.

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Belafon  May 29, 2024 • 5:32:44pm
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently warned consumers that a brand of cheese recalled in April could have fatal consequences if consumed.

Tama Corporation recalled 24-ounce containers of “Queso de Mano PAISA” in April after a laboratory analysis identified the product was contaminated by Listeria monocytogenes.

newsweek.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 29, 2024 • 5:39:57pm

re: #245 EstebanTornado1963

And I assume the commenters are middle aged or older because they all say “I flipped burgers for $4.85/hr. So if you assume they are talking in the ‘80’s, that’s like 18 bucks today. So what’s the difference?

That and “teenagers need those entry-level jobs” (where in fact a great percentage of people in them are not teenagers).

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Hecuba's daughter  May 29, 2024 • 5:40:58pm

re: #233 Patricia Kayden

[Embedded content]

I don’t think Eastman or Clark have been formally disbarred yet. Aren’t their cases still ongoing?

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 5:42:09pm

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That and “teenagers need those entry-level jobs” (where in fact a great percentage of people in them are not teenagers).

To those people, why should it matter if teenagers get paid a livable wage? Some teenagers are trying to escape shitty home situations and need the money in order to become independent. Overall, there is this absolute paranoia in this country around not giving people things they don’t deserve, and I just don’t fucking understand it. Why is it such a terrible, horrible, awful thing if someone who doesn’t strictly need something benefits from a policy that gives it to someone who does? Is the $0.02 you paid on your taxes to make that happen really that important to you?

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Nerdy Fish  May 29, 2024 • 5:42:47pm

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t think Eastman or Clark have been formally disbarred yet. Aren’t their cases still ongoing?

Eastman has been provisionally disbarred, pending final action. Clark, I think, has only been recommended for disbarment.

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EPR-radar  May 29, 2024 • 5:45:37pm

re: #257 Nerdy Fish

To those people, why should it matter if teenagers get paid a livable wage? Some teenagers are trying to escape shitty home situations and need the money in order to become independent. Overall, there is this absolute paranoia in this country around not giving people things they don’t deserve, and I just don’t fucking understand it. Why is it such a terrible, horrible, awful thing if someone who doesn’t strictly need something benefits from a policy that gives it to someone who does? Is the $0.02 you paid on your taxes to make that happen really that important to you?

IMO it’s all a giant deflection away from the fact that that plutocrats don’t earn what they get.

Sadly, it seems to be very effective.

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DodgerFan1988  May 29, 2024 • 5:49:49pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  May 29, 2024 • 6:00:11pm

re: #232 Belafon

John Stossel is trying to write an article about California’s fast food minimum wage increase, but I couldn’t get past “gullible leftists.”

finance.yahoo.com

Dr. Death didn’t body slam him enough.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 29, 2024 • 6:08:46pm

re: #232 Belafon

John Stossel is trying to write an article about California’s fast food minimum wage increase, but I couldn’t get past “gullible leftists.”

finance.yahoo.com

Restaurants around here are so hard up that they’ve been offering above the minimum wage for quite a while. I don’t see that adding a buck or so will matter much.


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