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MagnaniomousCoward  Feb 11, 2008 • 10:01:32pm

My biggest beef with anti-religious Darwinists were their invention of the Flat Earth myth - you know the one about how the church and most people in Europe before Columbus thought the earth was flat instead of a globe.

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psaturn  Feb 11, 2008 • 10:23:18pm

Killgore Trout

I have a degree in Biology and I am a Creationist who has no problems with Natural Selection. Natural Selection is a scientific observation that is well supported.

The problem is, how does it apply to the evolution of life? Does it explain the origin of life and the origin of all species?

Note that the ‘creation’ of new phyla or a totally new species have never been observed…it is explained away as it needed millions of years, it could not be observable, hence it cannot be provable or supportable.

It is a belief system, the same way that Creationism as described in the Book of Genesis is a belief that what G-d said He did, is true.

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Killgore Trout  Feb 12, 2008 • 12:07:02pm

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FoolsMate  Feb 12, 2008 • 2:48:16pm
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TalkinKamel  Feb 13, 2008 • 12:10:14pm

I have no quarrel with evolution—-as a science.

What I have a quarrel with is the sort of thinking that emerged along with Darwinism during the late 19th, early 20th Century; (which was not especially scientific); the “science” of Eugenics, the firm belief in the inferiority of blacks, Asiatics and, of course, Jews, the even firmer belief in the superiority of white males, and the need for “superior” folks to get rid of the “inferior” among, them: the “useless eaters”, “mongrels” and “human trash”—-ideas which influenced many of the political philosophies of the 20th Century, and caused a great deal of suffering.

And you can’t just say that Darwin, his cousin Frances Galton and the early supporters of evolution didn’t support this sort of thinking, as witness some of the papers they left behind, and their biographies. Particularly interesting is one book, “Period Piece”, about the Darwin family, written by Darwin’s granddaughter, Gwen Raverat, wherein she writes about an uncle of hers (one of Darwin’s sons) who firmly believed that human worth should be measured solely by how much money a man was able to make. Darwin, his relatives and his followers were scientists. They were not, in my opinion, great philosophers, wise moralists (or even, many of them, particularly nice people.)

I accept evolution as a science. I don’t accept it as evidence that G-d doesn’t exist, that the Judeo-Christian religion (or any other religion) is false, or that it gives some men to the right to meddle in the lives of other men—-even killing them—-for some ideal of evolving a perfect, superior human race.


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