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1 Gus  May 23, 2010 10:08:06am

There are two Barry Goldwaters. One if the Barry Goldwater of 1964. The other is the introspective Barry Goldwater after retirement made famous for his views on gays in the military and abortion as well as warning of the GOP being taken over by a “bunch of kooks” or:

When you say “radical right” today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.

Much of this applies today. The Barry Goldwater of 1964 is not something to admire. He did acquire more wisdom with age.

2 iceweasel  May 23, 2010 10:15:05am

re: #1 Gus 802

There are two Barry Goldwaters. One if the Barry Goldwater of 1964. The other is the introspective Barry Goldwater after retirement made famous for his views on gays in the military and abortion as well as warning of the GOP being taken over by a “bunch of kooks” or:

Much of this applies today. The Barry Goldwater of 1964 is not something to admire. He did acquire more wisdom with age.

Edge of the American West talks about that a little:

In the 1970s, Goldwater put increasing distance between himself and the Republican Party. It started with Watergate, when he brought down the hatchet on Richard Nixon. Goldwater told his son’s best friend, John Dean III, “that SOB was always a liar, so go nail ‘im” in Congressional testimony. And it was Goldwater — rather gleefully, if Ben Bradlee is to be believed — who went to the White House on August 7, 1974, to tell Nixon he couldn’t win an impeachment trial.

But the real separation between Goldwater and the GOP came when Republican operatives realized, as Richard Viguerie says in the film, “what we were missing [were] the social issues.” When the Republican Party began closing the gap between church and state, Goldwater began edging away from the party leadership. In the film we see him saying, “the religious right scares the hell out of me,” and suggesting of Jerry Falwell that “all good Christians should kick him in the ass.” He supported the service of gays in the military and opposed limits on a woman’s right to choose an abortion. For these reasons, one could say — and Walter Cronkite says it in the film — that Goldwater “became a liberal.”

But one would be — and Cronkite is — wrong, unless mere personal dislike of Richard Nixon and tolerance of sexual independence constitute liberalism. Most of “The Conscience of a Conservative” constitutes an appeal to dismantle the federal government. Standing well to the right of Adam Smith, Goldwater writes, “The graduated tax is a confiscatory tax.” He cites a tax rate for earners of $100,000 in 1960 that’s 23 percentage points higher than it really was to help make his point; facts don’t much matter in books like these. He conflates “radical” with “liberal.” He advocates cutting welfare, agriculture subsidies, and laws permitting unionization.

Goldwater also carried his small-government convictions into the arena of civil rights. “Conscience” features numerous dog-whistle appeals to American racists. Pretty much everyone, including Martin Luther King Jr., Roy Wilkins, and Julian Bond, is willing to concede that Goldwater was not personally bigoted. But his vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act would speak for itself, even if Goldwater didn’t speak for it: “the Supreme Court decision is not necessarily the law of the land,” he said in 1964, and he (or Bozell) said likewise in 1960, describing Brown v. Board of Education and allied decisions as “abuses of power by the Court.” In italics, Goldwater declares that politics needs to take into account “the essential differences between men.”
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Apparently, whatever race-baiting Goldwater encouraged, it was not sincere: He really just wanted to defend a limited interpretation of the Constitution.

More at the link.
Suffice to say that the defenses of Goldwater are sounding increasingly like something I could imagine a defender of Rand Paul saying in a couple of decades—if not right now.

3 iceweasel  May 23, 2010 10:21:02am

re: #1 Gus 802

There’s a good piece by Adam Serwer at American Prospect that works here too, making the same point I did above about Rand Paul:

As Jackie Robinson observed from the floor of the GOP convention when Goldwater was nominated:

It was a terrible hour for the relatively few black delegates who were present. Distinguished in their communities, identified with the cause of Republicanism, an extremely unpopular cause among blacks, they had been served notice that the party they had fought for considered them just another bunch of “n*****s”. They had no real standing in the convention, no clout. They were unimportant and ignored. One bigot from one of the Deep South states actually threw acid on a black delegate’s suit jacket and burned it.

Robinson further wrote about Goldwater at the time, “When I was asked my opinion of Barry Goldwater, I gave it. I said I thought he was a bigot. I added that he was not as important as the forces behind him.”

Paul’s defenders will argue — as conservatives did with Barry Goldwater — that Paul himself is not a racist. Indeed, Paul said he finds racism abhorrent and would not frequent a segregated business. And Paul rather incoherently defended his position as being “the hard part about believing in freedom.” This is a key statement because it rather poignantly expresses the utter selfishness at the heart of Paul’s argument against the Civil Rights Act.

Paul would never face the actual “hard part” of his vision of freedom, because it would never interfere with his own life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Rand Paul would not have been turned away from a lunch counter, be refused a home, a job, or denied a loan, or told to sit in the black car of a train because of his skin color, or because of the skin color of his spouse. Paul thinks there is something “hard” about defending the kind of discrimination he would have never, ever faced. Paul’s free-market fundamentalism is being expressed after decades of social transformation that the Civil Rights Act helped create, and so the hell of segregation is but a mere abstraction, difficult to remember and easy to dismiss as belonging only to its time. It’s much easier now to say that “the market would handle it.” But it didn’t, and it wouldn’t.

Sadly, the Civil Rights Act has been too often portrayed as a victory for black people rather than a victory for the country, which is part of why people are willing to defend Paul’s position as principled. But the Civil Rights Act outlawed discrimination based on “race, color, religion, sex or national origin.” The position Paul is ultimately taking is that he believes businesses should be able to discriminate not just against black people, but against women, Jews, Catholics, Irish people, and on and on.


This seems to be to be precisely the problem with the parallel defenses of Paul and Goldwater. Same shit, different bags.

4 iceweasel  May 23, 2010 10:22:25am
5 Gus  May 23, 2010 10:36:30am

re: #4 iceweasel

Sorry, left out the link:

Rand Paul and the ‘Hard Part About Freedom’

Rand Paul has decided to take the politically expedient route and revise his words to thwart or deflect the criticism. One cannot change overnight so the obvious conclusion is that this is just a cynical move on his part. His assessment of the Civil Rights Acts have not changed.

So now what does the GOP do with their new ingenue? To date Michael Steele has yet to condemn Rand Paul although he did note some displeasure. McConnell has kept his views private for the most part.

On principle it’s hard to digest a GOP that was only yesterday distancing themselves from both Ron and Rand Paul. Once they saw a potential for a win in Kentucky come November they were (and are) quick to embrace this new Southern Strategy candidate by the name of Rand Paul.

I predict they will treat Rand Paul much as they did with Sarah Palin. They will focus on criticizing his media critics and limit his appearances as we saw this weekend with his cancellation with Meet the Press.

6 iceweasel  May 23, 2010 10:43:42am

re: #5 Gus 802

I think you’re spot-on. Steele had a brief moment of honesty on April 22 for which he’s no doubt caught a lot of flack:
Michael Steele Acknowledges GOP Had “Southern Strategy” For Decades

A lot of people are pointing to a new set of remarks Michael Steele made about the Republican Party and race, in which Steele acknowledged that the GOP hasn’t given African Americans a reason to support the party.

But I think folks are missing the real news in what Steele said. The RNC chairman also appeared to acknowledge that the GOP has had a race-based “southern strategy” for four decades, which is decidedly not a historical interpretation many Republicans agree with.

Steele made his remarks at DePaul University on Tuesday night. He acknowledged that “we haven’t done a very good job” of giving African Americans a reason to vote Republican. That’s actually unremarkable. But here’s what he also said:

“We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties. Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”

Now, of course? Crickets.
As you suggest, their strategy is going to be to limit appearances and contain damage, while maximizing any electoral gains they can get from Palin, Paul, and any other wacko. It’s all about the yahoo vote and electoral wins.


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